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| skraynev | #startmeeting heat | 07:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 30 07:01:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is skraynev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:01 |
| prazumovsky | Hello? | 07:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 07:01 |
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| skraynev | #topic rollcall | 07:01 |
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| skraynev | #chairs therve | 07:01 |
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| prazumovsky | hi again | 07:02 |
| stevebaker | \i | 07:02 |
| skraynev | #help | 07:02 |
| stevebaker | \o | 07:02 |
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| ramishra | hi | 07:02 |
| ricolin | o/ | 07:02 |
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| skraynev | stevebaker: could you remind me how to add someone else to chair ? | 07:03 |
| rakesh_hs | o/ | 07:03 |
| pas-ha | O/ | 07:03 |
| stevebaker | ummm | 07:03 |
| stevebaker | hash chair? | 07:03 |
| stevebaker | #chair and #unchair | 07:04 |
| skraynev | #chair therve | 07:04 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: skraynev therve | 07:04 |
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| stevebaker | might be a bit early for therve | 07:04 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: yeah. thx. I wrongly used plural instead of single "chair" | 07:05 |
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| ochuprykov | hi | 07:05 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: may be. I hope, that he will join if be there . | 07:06 |
| skraynev | #topic Adding items to agenda | 07:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:06 | |
| skraynev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-03-30_0700_UTC.29 | 07:06 |
| skraynev | ramishra: I suppose, that we may add RBAC related question | 07:07 |
| ramishra | sure | 07:07 |
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| ochuprykov | oh, again | 07:07 |
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| skraynev | ramishra: done. | 07:08 |
| elynn__ | o/ | 07:08 |
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| skraynev | ochuprykov: yeah. however, todays it's a TripleO ;) | 07:08 |
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| shardy | morning all, sorry I'm late | 07:09 |
| skraynev | something else for agenda ? | 07:09 |
| skraynev | shardy: hi. np. ^ | 07:09 |
| skraynev | ps: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-03-30_0700_UTC.29 | 07:09 |
| skraynev | shardy: ^ | 07:09 |
| ochuprykov | sergey, could you add me patch about addind yaql& | 07:09 |
| ochuprykov | my* | 07:09 |
| ochuprykov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196984/ | 07:09 |
| shardy | Does someone have a link to the bug/patch re the RBAC issue please? | 07:10 |
| ramishra | shardy: I've a revert | 07:10 |
| skraynev | ochuprykov: done | 07:10 |
| shardy | ramishra: was it the broken delete thing? | 07:11 |
| ramishra | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299112/ | 07:11 |
| ochuprykov | ramishra: i don't see any info | 07:11 |
| ramishra | shardy: yes | 07:11 |
| ochuprykov | you just tell thet something wrong | 07:11 |
| shardy | ramishra: ack, thanks! | 07:11 |
| skraynev | shardy: ramishra: could you please wait a bit before related topic ? ;) | 07:11 |
| ricolin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1561172 | 07:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1561172 in tripleo "Overcloud delete never completes" [Critical,Triaged] | 07:11 |
| shardy | skraynev: sure, my question was because there's no link in the agenda ;) | 07:12 |
| skraynev | shardy: yeah. I wanted to ask ramishara to share it later ;) | 07:12 |
| ramishra | I thought I added it | 07:12 |
| skraynev | #topic RC2 status | 07:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RC2 status (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:12 | |
| skraynev | short update. rc-2 was released yesterday: http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/index.html | 07:13 |
| skraynev | so if we have some critical patches, which may land before next week, we need to release rc3 | 07:14 |
| skraynev | also new version for python-heatclient was relased | 07:14 |
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| skraynev | #link http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/index.html | 07:14 |
| skraynev | on the same page | 07:14 |
| skraynev | it's 1.1.0 | 07:14 |
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| stevebaker | skraynev: that probably should have been 1.0.1, but too late now | 07:15 |
| skraynev | I proposed it as 1.0.1, but due to update cliff in requirements it was changed to 1.1.0 | 07:15 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: initially it was | 07:15 |
| stevebaker | ah, makes sense | 07:15 |
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| stevebaker | I'll rejig the milestones in launchpad at some point | 07:16 |
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| skraynev | stevebaker: how exactly ? | 07:17 |
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| skraynev | stevebaker: by adding rc3 ? | 07:17 |
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| stevebaker | for heatclient | 07:17 |
| stevebaker | renaming the milestones in the series https://launchpad.net/python-heatclient | 07:18 |
| skraynev | ok. doh. I am sorry. I forhot about it. | 07:18 |
| skraynev | *forgot | 07:18 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: out of interest, is there a script which applies the series/milestones for projects, or do you do it manually? | 07:19 |
| skraynev | so tha' all about this topic. got to the next | 07:19 |
| skraynev | #topic RBAC patch breaks TripleO | 07:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RBAC patch breaks TripleO (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:19 | |
| stevebaker | its manual, and I'm not even sure we should keep using launchpad to track this | 07:19 |
| skraynev | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1561172 | 07:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1561172 in tripleo "Overcloud delete never completes" [Critical,Triaged] | 07:19 |
| skraynev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299112/ | 07:19 |
| skraynev | shardy: I suppose - manually | 07:20 |
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| ochuprykov | it seems that stack preview still broken | 07:20 |
| ramishra | It seems to me due to the RBAC patch, we can revert it or fix it | 07:20 |
| ramishra | I've the revert up | 07:20 |
| skraynev | shardy: but.. AFAIK some of milestone (n1, n2, n3) were created by ttx. So I believe, that he did it with some script ;) | 07:20 |
| shardy | I think we should quick revert, then figure out functional test coverage which mimics the TripleO (and Magnum) failures before landing anything again | 07:20 |
| ramishra | and tested tripleo-ci with depends-on | 07:20 |
| ramishra | and it seems to work, I did not see any similar error | 07:21 |
| ochuprykov | shardy: agreed | 07:21 |
| shardy | ramishra: tripleo-ci won't show this issue, we don't currently test deletes | 07:21 |
| ochuprykov | but it is very strange that it breaks delete | 07:21 |
| ramishra | shardy: It can with this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297328/, I think | 07:22 |
| skraynev | shardy: ochuprykov: khm... guys.. I agree to revert, but.. please keep in mind, that this was merged in mitaka, so we need fix for mitaka, because backport patch with revert, sounds awful | 07:22 |
| shardy | ramishra: aha, yup! Thanks :) | 07:22 |
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| ttx | skraynev: yes -- using milestones-create from release-tools | 07:22 |
| shardy | skraynev: backporting a revert is better than a release with a critical regression? | 07:22 |
| shardy | I'm fine with fixing it, but if we can't do that very very fast, we should revert | 07:23 |
| skraynev | ttx: got it. thank you :) | 07:23 |
| shardy | ttx: thanks! | 07:23 |
| ochuprykov | shardy: i think it is better to revert | 07:23 |
| skraynev | shardy: +1 | 07:23 |
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| ttx | I'll probably update the dates for n1 to n3 once the schedule is official | 07:23 |
| skraynev | let's try to fix it during these two days. | 07:24 |
| ramishra | I think it can fixed by adding DELETE in this check https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/resources/template_resource.py#L138, but the reporter says there are more issues with UPDATE etc, so wa | 07:24 |
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| shardy | ttx: context of my question is I need to setup series/milestones for TripleO, but that's OT for this meeting :) | 07:24 |
| ricolin | shardy: +1 | 07:24 |
| ramishra | so I wanted we fix the issue properly | 07:24 |
| skraynev | if there is no result, we may revert it at Friday.. I suppose, that we may release rc3 before the next Wednesday | 07:24 |
| skraynev | ttx: ^ | 07:24 |
| ttx | skraynev: in theory the last RCs are this week | 07:25 |
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| ttx | the release team may do further RCs to solve other issues, like source tarball corruption | 07:25 |
| shardy | skraynev: we should land the revert today, not wait until Friday | 07:25 |
| ramishra | I agree | 07:26 |
| skraynev | ttx: heh... | 07:26 |
| shardy | then any subsequent fix can be considered without the pressure of having broken everything for some users | 07:26 |
| ttx | that is what next week is for -- exceptional RCs, not "normal" ones :) | 07:26 |
| skraynev | ttx: ok. | 07:26 |
| shardy | ttx: The issue at hand is a critical regression unfortunately | 07:26 |
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| shardy | the only question is fix or revert at this point | 07:26 |
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| ricolin | I think to fix in proper way, will cost more then a week | 07:27 |
| skraynev | shardy: sigh .. | 07:28 |
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| skraynev | shardy: I decided - revert | 07:28 |
| ramishra | shardy: I think revert is better, as we don't know if there can be any further issues. can we not just merge the revert in mitaka, sorry about my ignorance of the release process. | 07:28 |
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| shardy | skraynev: OK thanks, I was confused by "we may revert it at Friday" | 07:28 |
| skraynev | I have a short business trip for next two days, so ... it will be problematically to release rc3 from train or airplane | 07:29 |
| shardy | ramishra: Yeah I'd propose revert for both branches, then fix and consider backporting the fix for a later stable release | 07:29 |
| skraynev | shardy: initially I wanted to revert it at Friday.. | 07:29 |
| skraynev | but I wrongly supposed, that rc3 is ok for next week | 07:30 |
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| skraynev | in the light of last info. I tend to agree with revert | 07:30 |
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| skraynev | ochuprykov: shardy: However, I suggest to work on next attempt from now. this bug is really painful, so I'd like to close it ;) | 07:31 |
| ochuprykov | ok | 07:32 |
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| ochuprykov | i will see what can be done | 07:32 |
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| skraynev | #topic Yaql support | 07:32 |
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| skraynev | #ochuprykov; it's yours | 07:33 |
| ochuprykov | yep | 07:33 |
| skraynev | could you please share a link ? | 07:33 |
| ochuprykov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196984/ | 07:33 |
| ochuprykov | ^^ | 07:33 |
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| ochuprykov | the first patch was uploaded a quite ago | 07:33 |
| ochuprykov | i will be very appreciated if somebody looks at it | 07:34 |
| stevebaker | ochuprykov: some examples showing real problems being solved in templates, and documentation would be useful | 07:35 |
| elynn__ | Is there any spec for it? | 07:36 |
| ochuprykov | no | 07:36 |
| ochuprykov | blueprint only | 07:36 |
| shardy | I think a spec with examples would be helpful | 07:36 |
| ochuprykov | i will try to addd some useful examples | 07:36 |
| ochuprykov | shardy: ok | 07:36 |
| ochuprykov | will upload a spec | 07:36 |
| elynn__ | Don't know how it works, some docs or links would be helpful. | 07:36 |
| ochuprykov | link in commit message | 07:37 |
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| elynn__ | http://yaql.readthedocs.org/en/latest/usage.html | 07:38 |
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| stevebaker | I'm generally positive on having one, people who don't like the syntax of yaql can ignore it - as long as it does the arbitrary x->y transforms users sometimes need in templates | 07:38 |
| shardy | There also appears to be overlap wrt path bases parameters to work out, based on yaql_example.yaml | 07:38 |
| shardy | again a spec will help there | 07:38 |
| shardy | e.g is | 07:38 |
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| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196984/4/yaql_example.yaml | 07:38 |
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| shardy | line 16 there the same as get_param: [a_list, 0] ? | 07:38 |
| shardy | Or [a_list, 1] rather | 07:39 |
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| ochuprykov | second | 07:39 |
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| shardy | it's kinda weird to have parameters evaluate without any get_param is my point | 07:40 |
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| shardy | We can work this out in the spec, but examples including nested parameters/attributes would be good | 07:40 |
| ochuprykov | we can access the parameters from yaql expression | 07:40 |
| ochuprykov | $parameters | 07:41 |
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| therve | shardy, Agreed, I didn't see anything useful from the examples | 07:41 |
| shardy | Ok, so $parameters basically shadows get_param | 07:41 |
| ochuprykov | it seems more convinient than using get)param | 07:41 |
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| shardy | at the least that's a documentation challenge ;) | 07:41 |
| therve | IE, what can you do that you can't with other things? | 07:41 |
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| skraynev | ochuprykov: I think, that the best way, (as was mentioned above) using spec for clarification all details of implementation | 07:41 |
| ochuprykov | do not shadow, just add a possibility to use them from yql | 07:41 |
| shardy | ochuprykov: having multiple ways to do one thing is likely to confuse users | 07:42 |
| shardy | e.g in the "c" example you then nest get_attr, but you don't use get_param above | 07:42 |
| shardy | Anyway, overall it looks quite interesting, I'd like to discuss further on the spec :) | 07:43 |
| ochuprykov | shardy: ok | 07:43 |
| therve | You shouldn't highlights new things that were not possible before, not things done slightly differently just because | 07:43 |
| shardy | It also seems we'll overlap with the conditionals that tiantian has been working on | 07:44 |
| * therve nods | 07:44 | |
| shardy | http://yaql.readthedocs.org/en/latest/readme.html | 07:44 |
| ochuprykov | overlap is only in possible merge conflicts) | 07:45 |
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| therve | ochuprykov, overlap as it does some of the same things | 07:45 |
| ochuprykov | what things? | 07:46 |
| therve | Though we still need the resource level condition attribute | 07:46 |
| therve | Like equals | 07:46 |
| ochuprykov | yaql is evaluate arbitrary expression, so yes, it can evaluate booleans | 07:46 |
| ochuprykov | but conditionals is seems to me like different feature for different purposes | 07:47 |
| ramishra | probably it would be good to have a spec and have a session to discuss the spec at the summit? | 07:48 |
| ochuprykov | will be good | 07:48 |
| ochuprykov | it can brings really a lot of possibilities | 07:49 |
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| elynn__ | Have a discussion at the summit would be good. | 07:49 |
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| therve | ochuprykov, Can you do basic arithmetic? | 07:49 |
| shardy | ochuprykov: that's actually one of the problems - if you add something like this which is really unconstrained and arguably complex, it's possible not all providers will want to enable it | 07:49 |
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| shardy | e.g start fielding effectively programming questions from their users via support tickets | 07:50 |
| ochuprykov | shardy: it is bounded in some ways | 07:50 |
| ochuprykov | for example in using memory | 07:50 |
| therve | LOL | 07:50 |
| shardy | We should discuss at least with those running Heat in public cloud environments, because we don't want to damage portability of HOT templates | 07:50 |
| ochuprykov | some *bad* things are prohibited | 07:50 |
| shardy | ochuprykov: well that is good to hear :D | 07:51 |
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| ochuprykov | therve: what do you mean? | 07:51 |
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| therve | ochuprykov, Can you do param + 1? | 07:51 |
| ochuprykov | yeah | 07:51 |
| ochuprykov | arbitrary arithmetic expression | 07:52 |
| therve | That would solve that annoying index bug that was opened recently, where the solution looked awful to me | 07:52 |
| ochuprykov | at leats +-* | 07:52 |
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| stevebaker | therve: I thought you were asking ochuprykov about math skills o_O | 07:52 |
| therve | Heh heh | 07:53 |
| elynn__ | :D | 07:53 |
| ochuprykov | ) | 07:53 |
| therve | stevebaker, "As a PTL, I will now personally check every core skills" | 07:53 |
| ochuprykov | 2+2=4 | 07:53 |
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| therve | Moving on? | 07:54 |
| ochuprykov | yeah | 07:54 |
| therve | #topic Open discussion | 07:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:54 | |
| therve | FWIW I'll propose alternate meeting times, so that I can at least for sure attend one | 07:55 |
| skraynev | therve: do you plan to send any mail about it? | 07:55 |
| therve | skraynev, Yes that will be the proposal :) | 07:55 |
| skraynev | therve: great :) thx | 07:56 |
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| ramishra | therve: what timings are you thinking of? | 07:57 |
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| therve | ramishra, Something like 5UTC / 15UTC? | 07:58 |
| therve | I'll probably make a poll | 07:58 |
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| ramishra | k | 07:59 |
| shardy | 5UTC will exclude a lot of europe unless they're early risers ;) | 07:59 |
| therve | Well, yes | 07:59 |
| therve | -> #heat | 07:59 |
| therve | #endmeeting | 07:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 07:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 30 07:59:44 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-03-30-07.01.html | 07:59 |
| therve | Thanks all | 07:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-03-30-07.01.txt | 07:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-03-30-07.01.log.html | 07:59 |
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| jianghuaw | #startmeeting XenAPI | 09:28 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 30 09:28:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jianghuaw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:28 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 09:28 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 09:28 |
| jianghuaw | Morning all. | 09:28 |
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| huanxie | Hello johnthetubaguy and jianghuaw | 09:29 |
| jianghuaw | Hello Huan. | 09:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | hello | 09:29 |
| jianghuaw | morning johnthetubaguy | 09:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | good afternoon to you both (I think?) | 09:30 |
| jianghuaw | Bob is on vocation. So I'm hosting this meeting today. | 09:30 |
| jianghuaw | yes. thanks. | 09:30 |
| huanxie | yes, thanks johnthetubaguy | 09:30 |
| jianghuaw | JohnHua is on vacation also. I think we can start now. | 09:30 |
| jianghuaw | #topic Blueprints | 09:30 |
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| jianghuaw | #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/bare-vhd-image | 09:31 |
| jianghuaw | this BP is from JohnHua. | 09:31 |
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| jianghuaw | I think we agreed that it's a spec-less BP in last meeting. | 09:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, I think that makes sense | 09:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | is the idea to support gzipping the VHD as well? or just raw VHD at first? | 09:33 |
| jianghuaw | Per johnthetubaguy's comment, more information was needed in the BP. I think JohnHua has added some details in it. | 09:33 |
| jianghuaw | raw VHD. | 09:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, that seems like a good place to start | 09:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks for the extra info in there, that looks better | 09:34 |
| jianghuaw | great. | 09:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | so there is one problem, current Nova is not allowing any new blueprints, we are focusing on stuff that was already approved last cycle | 09:34 |
| huanxie | Do you mean Mitaka @johnthetubaguy? | 09:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, things from mitaka, and before | 09:35 |
| jianghuaw | I think we are targeting to Newton. | 09:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, basically we are not allowing things into Newton, unless they were approved during mitaka or before | 09:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | at least until the summit | 09:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | the idea is at the design summit we will work out a way to get the new things approved | 09:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically the process is going to be changing a little bit | 09:36 |
| huanxie | Got it, thanks | 09:36 |
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| jianghuaw | ok. So we need wait until to the summit. | 09:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | having said that, you are doing all the right things here, its good to agree as a sub team on the details of the new things, so once we start adding new things to Newton, we should be ready to go very quickly | 09:37 |
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| jianghuaw | fair enough. | 09:38 |
| jianghuaw | the next BP: | 09:38 |
| jianghuaw | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280099/ | 09:38 |
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| jianghuaw | my BP for: fake VGPU devices to SR-IOV PCI, so that we can enable VGPU on XenServer via pass-through PCI | 09:39 |
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| jianghuaw | johnthetubaguy: it will be great if you can have a look and give some input. | 09:39 |
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| jianghuaw | It's to fake the vgpu resources as SR-IOV. | 09:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I should read that, it sounds like it was matching the approve libvirt was taking | 09:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | now sure how it maps to the stuff hyper-v are doing | 09:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | s/now/not/ | 09:41 |
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| jianghuaw | all right. We hope this spec can go into Newton. | 09:42 |
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| jianghuaw | my another BP: | 09:43 |
| jianghuaw | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274045/ | 09:43 |
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| jianghuaw | this BP is for: Introduce a new VDI store to upload and download images using streaming through the Compute node. | 09:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I remember bobball talking about that one | 09:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think you might want to include about how that streaming method avoids problems with VHD chains growing too long when taking a snapshot | 09:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, need a review, but the general approach seems good | 09:46 |
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| jianghuaw | I think the snapshot is done in xapi. And it's only one vhd file expose to Nova. | 09:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yes, the new method looks good | 09:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the old method has issues with the chain growing quite long, in certain cases | 09:48 |
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| jianghuaw | glad to see another benefit added by this new method:-) | 09:49 |
| jianghuaw | I'm done with my BPs. | 09:50 |
| jianghuaw | Huan: do you have any BP? | 09:50 |
| huanxie | I have a spec less BP for supporting neutron security group #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenserver-give-support-on-neutron-security-group | 09:50 |
| huanxie | @johnthetubaguy, hope you can have a look about whether the decription in the BP is enough and also want this can be approved in newton | 09:51 |
| jianghuaw | johnthetubaguy: could you help confirm if we can keep this BP as spec-less? | 09:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | honestly, I suspect we will want a spec for that, as its quite complicated how that actually works | 09:52 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its more to make sure, in a few years time, we recorded why we took this particular approach | 09:53 |
| jianghuaw | johnthetubaguy: hmm, it's complicated but follows the existing mechanism in libvirt. | 09:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | qbrxxx bit seems different though | 09:54 |
| huanxie | @johnthetubaguy, long time ago when we discussing this, we seems agreed on a spec-less BP, but if it's needed, I can add a spec | 09:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, it just seems more complicated than I remember | 09:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | other folks may disagree with me on the need for a spec though | 09:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | it doesn't need to be a long spec | 09:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | the shorter the spec, the better, really | 09:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats a general statement | 09:55 |
| huanxie | got it, then I will add one | 09:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | huanxie: does this only work with linux bridge, or does it work with ovs? | 09:55 |
| huanxie | Then need I point out all the bridges and ports that we plan to add? | 09:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yes, ideally it should say what the system will look like | 09:56 |
| huanxie | johnthetubaguy, we only tested on ovs bridge, so for linux bridge, need to tested, and now I cannot confirm whether it works well with linux bridge | 09:57 |
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| jianghuaw | OVS is the default on xenserver. | 09:58 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so the bp was talking about bridges, so I assumed it was linux bridge, which seemed odd given OVS is the default | 09:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | it makes sense to only do this for OVS, I just worry about talking about it in terms of the bridge compatibility mode, it seems a little strange somehow | 09:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | but lets cover that in the spec | 10:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | its probably clearer in context | 10:00 |
| jianghuaw | at here, linux bridge is added between the VIF OVS and integration ovs. | 10:00 |
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| jianghuaw | as linux bridge is needed for iptable. | 10:00 |
| jianghuaw | So vif by default uses ovs, but this method will add a Linux bridge in the chain. Huan, is it right? | 10:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh... so its using both | 10:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, yeah, this needs a spec to make these details obvious | 10:02 |
| huanxie | johnthetubaguy: yes, we should use both linux bridge and ovs | 10:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | it seems very surprising to use both, so its good to describe why | 10:02 |
| huanxie | Linux bridge is targeted for iptables rules | 10:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | so neutron can generate rules of ovs, so it seems odd we don't use OVS for both bits, but I guess there is a good reason why, I just don't see it | 10:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I do wonder how much of the detail needs to be known by Nova, its possible this might end up in os-vif, but lets get a spec written out, then see where we go from there | 10:03 |
| huanxie | Current OVS is not compatiable with iptables, so linux bridge and ovs bridge all need | 10:03 |
| huanxie | Neutron will add iptables rule at the linux bridge side for security group, so linux bridge is added in this BP | 10:04 |
| jianghuaw | the latest OVS may support iptables already, but presently the ovs running on XS dom0 can't support that. | 10:05 |
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| huanxie | Linux bridge qbr and tap device are all used for neutron, but it should be added when booting an instance | 10:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | as I understand it, we don't need to use iptables | 10:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can use ovs rules directly | 10:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | if you use neutrons OVS drivers to do all the rule configurations | 10:06 |
| huanxie | OVS rules currently are only used for L2 | 10:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, so how does neutron do this? does it add a linux bridge and configure things via IPtables? | 10:07 |
| huanxie | for now we will also use ovs flow rules, to do the tag and untag job | 10:07 |
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| huanxie | when we add security group rules, such as ssh, then neutron will add iptables rules at the tap device | 10:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, so I don't really understand how this works for libvirt I guess, I would need to understand that better before I can review this plan | 10:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, I have a feeling we are out of time? | 10:09 |
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| huanxie | yes, sorry for forgetting the time | 10:09 |
| huanxie | Maybe in my spec, I add some link for clarify why linux bridge are needed at neutron side? | 10:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | huanxie: sounds good to include that in the spec | 10:11 |
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| huanxie | sure, will add that part | 10:11 |
| jianghuaw | Ok. we've done for the BPs. thanks. | 10:11 |
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| jianghuaw | sorry for out of time. | 10:11 |
| jianghuaw | may have a quick sync-up on the bugs fix. | 10:12 |
| jianghuaw | #topic Bugs & QA | 10:12 |
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| jianghuaw | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242846/ | 10:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | we merged the nasty bug for RC1 | 10:12 |
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| jianghuaw | johnthetubaguy: this is a long fix. | 10:13 |
| jianghuaw | It's for: Add an interim OVS bridge to fix the port configure issue. And the neutron security group feature depends on this patch set also.) | 10:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we need to get the important spec and code patches added into the new etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 10:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | under the xenapi subteam section | 10:13 |
| jianghuaw | yes, has added it. | 10:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | once you have had other folks in the subteam give you a +1 that is | 10:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | it looks empty right now | 10:14 |
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| huanxie | johnthetubaguy: sorry that it's empty now | 10:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it was cleaned out last week sometime, to get rid of the stale stuff | 10:14 |
| jianghuaw | Sorry, I remember that I added that this morning. | 10:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | so its a new link for this release | 10:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats the newton one, not the mitaka one | 10:15 |
| jianghuaw | Anyway, we will add those ready ones. | 10:15 |
| jianghuaw | ok. got it. | 10:15 |
| jianghuaw | I must added into the wrong page. | 10:15 |
| jianghuaw | we will do that soon. Thanks. | 10:16 |
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| jianghuaw | Anything else? | 10:16 |
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| huanxie | no for me | 10:16 |
| jianghuaw | I think we've done. | 10:17 |
| jianghuaw | thanks all. | 10:17 |
| jianghuaw | #endmeeting | 10:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 30 10:17:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2016/xenapi.2016-03-30-09.28.html | 10:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2016/xenapi.2016-03-30-09.28.txt | 10:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2016/xenapi.2016-03-30-09.28.log.html | 10:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all! | 10:17 |
| huanxie | johnthetubaguy: thanks | 10:17 |
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| rluethi | dguitarbite: ping | 10:30 |
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| julen | Hi rluethi: | 10:30 |
| rluethi | hi julen | 10:31 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: hi | 10:31 |
| dguitarbite | julen: hi | 10:31 |
| dguitarbite | #startmeeting traininglabs | 10:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 30 10:31:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dguitarbite. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 10:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 10:31 |
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| rluethi | hi dguitarbite | 10:31 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: hi! | 10:31 |
| julen | hi dguitarbite | 10:32 |
| dguitarbite | julen: hi | 10:32 |
| dguitarbite | #topic Mitaka-Testing | 10:32 |
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| julen | rluethi: great job with the update :) | 10:32 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Thanks for the initial patch! I would say really good job. We have managed to create quite stable scripts this time around. | 10:33 |
| rluethi | thx | 10:33 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: what did you mean with 9000 tests in 24 hours? | 10:33 |
| dguitarbite | yes, atleast I have 9000 folders in the log files for repeat test | 10:33 |
| dguitarbite | I would say may be ~24-36 hours | 10:33 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: must be an error | 10:34 |
| rluethi | you can't do several tests per minute. | 10:34 |
| rluethi | in fact, you have to fail quite early to achieve that. | 10:34 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: not sure what happened in there to be honest. Although everytime I build the cluster manually it works. | 10:35 |
| dguitarbite | I also tested out horizon and ofcourse the test scripts | 10:35 |
| dguitarbite | but there are some loose ends and I would be really surprised to see the test scripts succeed at the given moment. | 10:36 |
| rluethi | the test scripts do work for me. | 10:36 |
| rluethi | can you be more specific? what should fail, and/or why? | 10:37 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Are you able to launch instances and all other common tasks? | 10:37 |
| dguitarbite | last week I was running a devstack cluster and almost everything was working as expected on the master branch which is awesome | 10:37 |
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| rluethi | the only tests I did was the test scripts (launch_private_instance, heat_stack) | 10:38 |
| dguitarbite | But at the same time I would expect some time for the packages to get stable(r) | 10:38 |
| rluethi | so yes, launching instances works. | 10:38 |
| rluethi | i did not test horizon. | 10:38 |
| dguitarbite | wow, I am testing it again. | 10:38 |
| dguitarbite | Horizon works for me. I think its quite stable for the current patch. | 10:38 |
| rluethi | we should even be able to launch more than one instance, due to the new m1.nano profile. | 10:39 |
| dguitarbite | yep! | 10:39 |
| dguitarbite | So, can we merge this patch soon? | 10:39 |
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| rluethi | there are one or two things left that need fixing, grep for XXX, FIXME, or TODO :). | 10:40 |
| rluethi | most of them are not urgent, but I think there is at least one left that I need to take care of. | 10:41 |
| rluethi | no biggie. | 10:41 |
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| dguitarbite | Ok, also we could release merge this since Liberty is already an existing release for us. | 10:41 |
| rluethi | also, we will have to switch to the proper repo when it's ready, we are on mitaka-staging right now. | 10:41 |
| dguitarbite | Oh, I have to branch Liberty | 10:42 |
| dguitarbite | I think I should do it soon before merging this patch. | 10:42 |
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| rluethi | yes | 10:43 |
| dguitarbite | Switching the repository can be done later on. It does not make any sense to keep this patch hanging just because of that. | 10:43 |
| dguitarbite | We could later on update it as soon as its released | 10:43 |
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| dguitarbite | julen: Did you test the Mitaka patch? Do you need some help here? | 10:43 |
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| julen | dguitarbite: sorry... I didn't have the chance yet, but I'll do tomorrow afternoon. I can check in Ubuntu and OSX | 10:44 |
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| julen | or maybe even today evening | 10:45 |
| dguitarbite | julen: That would be great. Just do a $ git review -d <patch_number> and test it as usual | 10:45 |
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| dguitarbite | I am testing this on MacOSx at present | 10:45 |
| dguitarbite | I will start the tests on my WS on openSUSE Leap today | 10:45 |
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| dguitarbite | anything else on this topic? | 10:47 |
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| dguitarbite | #action dguitarbite rluethi julen test the current Mitaka Patch and try to remove all the TODO's XXX's if possible | 10:47 |
| dguitarbite | #action dguitarbite Release Liberty and follow the new release cycle | 10:47 |
| dguitarbite | #action dguitarbite create proper notes (wiki/readme) for the new release cycle | 10:47 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: julen ping, did I dc? | 10:48 |
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| rluethi | dguitarbite: not that I know of | 10:48 |
| dguitarbite | ok | 10:48 |
| dguitarbite | #topic kvm | 10:48 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: I heard you saying that KVM has some issues in the email. Do you want to share something here? | 10:49 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: I think I posted fixes for all issues on gerrit. | 10:50 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: ok, I have to test them. Since the only linux machine I have with me is 4GB i3 I really cannot test KVM properly yet. | 10:51 |
| rluethi | sorry guys, I gotta go. real life unexpectedly called early. dguitarbite: please update us on zip fix. | 10:51 |
| rluethi | bb | 10:51 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: bye | 10:51 |
| dguitarbite | no worries. | 10:51 |
| dguitarbite | #topic zip files! | 10:51 |
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| dguitarbite | I really need to start the conversation on adding Zip files with the infra guys. | 10:52 |
| julen | I can do the KVM test on my NUC with 16 GB | 10:52 |
| dguitarbite | julen: Yes, that would be great | 10:52 |
| dguitarbite | Did you figure out how to search in Gerrit? | 10:52 |
| dguitarbite | It took me a couple of weeks to understand it ;) | 10:52 |
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| julen | It's not so intuitive... | 10:53 |
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| dguitarbite | #action julen will test the KVM related patches. | 10:53 |
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| julen | so, priority list for me: test mitaka, test KVM and if I have more time, continue with the PXE functionality, what do you think? | 10:55 |
| dguitarbite | Sounds perfect! | 10:56 |
| dguitarbite | #topic AOBN | 10:56 |
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| dguitarbite | julen: Ready for the summit? | 10:56 |
| julen | uff.. I hope so. But I still have the talk thing quite raw :P | 10:57 |
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| julen | let's hope I can get the PXE functionality ready by then. That would be really great ;) | 10:58 |
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| dguitarbite | julen: Did you get your talk accepted? | 10:58 |
| julen | just a short VBrownBag one, but well... I'll manage | 10:59 |
| julen | you have a long one, right? | 10:59 |
| dguitarbite | Yes, the long one ;) | 10:59 |
| dguitarbite | Anything else? Or shall we wrap it up? | 11:00 |
| julen | well... this is probably kind of off-topic already. Let's keep doing stuff and I'll get back to you tonight or tomorrow | 11:00 |
| julen | yes, I'm good | 11:00 |
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| dguitarbite | Ok, sounds good. Lets speak on email and hangouts :) | 11:01 |
| dguitarbite | thanks for coming. See ya. | 11:01 |
| julen | yep | 11:01 |
| dguitarbite | #endmeeting | 11:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 30 11:01:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 11:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/traininglabs/2016/traininglabs.2016-03-30-10.31.html | 11:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/traininglabs/2016/traininglabs.2016-03-30-10.31.txt | 11:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/traininglabs/2016/traininglabs.2016-03-30-10.31.log.html | 11:01 |
| julen | dguitarbite: thank you too :) | 11:01 |
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| Ronghui | :) | 12:55 |
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| joehuang | hello, tricircle | 13:00 |
| zhiyuan_ | hi all | 13:00 |
| Ronghui | hello | 13:00 |
| Yipei | hi all | 13:00 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 30 13:01:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:02 |
| zhiyuan_ | #info zhiyuan | 13:02 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 13:02 |
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| Ronghui | #iinfo Ronghui | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | #topic agenda | 13:02 |
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| ztang | #info ztang | 13:02 |
| joehuang | we have three topic to be discussed in today's meeting | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | #info cross pod L2 networking | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | #info pod scheduling | 13:03 |
| joehuang | #info reliability async. job | 13:03 |
| joehuang | #topic cross pod L2 networking | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | #info cross pod L2 networking is one of most important feature in next release | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | and will be used both for tenant L2 networking, and L3 networking(bridge network) | 13:05 |
| Ronghui | hi, joe i meet a problem i run the destack on node2 and could not find resoure admin and interrupt the devstack | 13:05 |
| joehuang | did the node1 run normal | 13:05 |
| Ronghui | yes | 13:05 |
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| Ronghui | and VM is success running | 13:06 |
| zhiyuan_ | so it's the problem we met before? | 13:08 |
| joehuang | ok, do you guys have any topics about L2 networking | 13:08 |
| joehuang | and at the same time, help Ronhui solve the issue | 13:08 |
| joehuang | and question about L2 networking | 13:08 |
| Ronghui | i run on the physical server | 13:08 |
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| joehuang | have you -export OS_REGION_NAME=$REGION_NAME +export OS_REGION_NAME=RegionOne | 13:09 |
| joehuang | fix the script in the devstack | 13:10 |
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| Ronghui | ok it run the keystone create_keystone_accounts:379 openstack project show admin -f value -c id | 13:11 |
| zhiyuan_ | check this: https://github.com/openstack/tricircle#prerequisite | 13:11 |
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| Ronghui | and Could not find resource admin | 13:11 |
| joehuang | for L2 networking cross pod, maybe inside one AZ, or across AZ | 13:11 |
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| joehuang | Hi Ronghui, could add --debug to see where the command was sent to | 13:12 |
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| Ronghui | ok | 13:12 |
| joehuang | xiaojie, how about your recent work about L2 networking | 13:14 |
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| Ronghui | @zhiyuan_ i did not set the admin-openerc on node2 | 13:14 |
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| zhiyuan_ | no, the environment variables are exported by DevStack | 13:16 |
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| xuxiaojie | @joehuang,today ,i start to think about thant,we can discuss friday, ok? | 13:17 |
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| Ronghui | i got it and in the local.conf i and miss the command OS_REGION_NAME=$REGION_NAME | 13:18 |
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| Ronghui | hi ,Joe the -export OS_REGION_NAME=$REGION_NAME is in the local.conf or just a command | 13:19 |
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| zhiyuan_ | oh, that is a diff result of stack.sh | 13:20 |
| zhiyuan_ | not in local.conf | 13:20 |
| joehuang | no, you need to update the script, replace export OS_REGION_NAME=$REGION_NAME with export OS_REGION_NAME=RegionOne | 13:20 |
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| joehuang | I think Shinobu is correct, we need either trainning, or review the README.MD in github | 13:21 |
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| Ronghui | u mean in the admin-openerc in node1? | 13:22 |
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| joehuang | stack.sh | 13:22 |
| Yipei_ | @ronghui, modify devstack/stack.sh in node2 | 13:22 |
| Ronghui | ok | 13:23 |
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| Ronghui | i got it i try to modify the keystone but failed | 13:23 |
| zhiyuan_ | yeah, but i feel a bit strange that after updaring all the projects, i didn't change stack.sh but devstack starts successfully | 13:23 |
| joehuang | Hi, Yipei, your segment error need a patch which caused by Neutron. https://github.com/openstack/tricircle/commit/d8d1940b9e43bd11e74017399ae3ba296214cf63 | 13:24 |
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| joehuang | Maybe devstack already fix the bug for multi-region setup | 13:24 |
| Ronghui | @zhiyuan_ u are run in the virtual environment or truth? | 13:24 |
| zhiyuan_ | virtual machine | 13:25 |
| Yipei_ | yes, i think i can try it tomorrow | 13:25 |
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| joehuang | for L2 networking, I think we need a team working on it, it's quite a big features | 13:25 |
| Ronghui | i thought it is in the truth so this problem happened | 13:25 |
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| joehuang | if you have phiscial server, you can run virtual box like what pengfei didi | 13:26 |
| joehuang | pengfei did | 13:26 |
| Ronghui | i have 2 physical server | 13:27 |
| zhiyuan_ | we can design the framework for l2 networking first, then we can code together | 13:27 |
| joehuang | Hi, Zhiyuan and Yipei, how do you think about the L2 networking | 13:27 |
| ztang | I think we spent many time in the system congiguration. Not like i in the Spark resource project, some module are easy to modify and rewrite directly. | 13:27 |
| Ronghui | so i run in diff physical node | 13:27 |
| Ronghui | not virtual box | 13:27 |
| joehuang | run VM will be easy to destroy devstack and dependency package. just create a new VM and get latest devstack | 13:28 |
| Yipei_ | @joe, sorry, I do not have much idea about the L2 networking. i think i still need to do more research on it | 13:28 |
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| joehuang | Spark is single application, may be modulated better. | 13:29 |
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| joehuang | agree with Zhiyuan, we can have a framework for L2 networking first | 13:30 |
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| zhiyuan_ | joe, as you mentioned before, we need to build a plugable mechanism for l2 networking, so i think we need to list all the scenario we want to support first | 13:30 |
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| zhiyuan_ | then we can abstract the model and logic | 13:31 |
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| joehuang | great | 13:31 |
| Ronghui | i agree with zhiyuan_ | 13:31 |
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| joehuang | How about ztang and ronghui, your idea about L2 networking | 13:32 |
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| zhiyuan_ | may discuss with xiaojie on Friday | 13:32 |
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| joehuang | #action let's discuss L2 networking in #openstack-tricircle on Friday | 13:33 |
| Ronghui | i think we should list all the scenario with nova cinder nerturn before framework | 13:33 |
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| Ronghui | the vedio about cascading is simpleness | 13:34 |
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| joehuang | Yes, so we can add one ether pad for the discussion, to put some items in the etherpad to be discussed | 13:34 |
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| ztang | I agree with zhiyuan, the framework should be a plugable. | 13:35 |
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| joehuang | pluggable to deal with different scenario | 13:35 |
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| joehuang | #info L2 Networking framework should be pluggable | 13:36 |
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| joehuang | ok create a new etherpad for L2 networking discussion | 13:36 |
| joehuang | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TricircleCrossPodL2Networking | 13:36 |
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| Ronghui | should we consider the migration? | 13:37 |
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| joehuang | you mean VM/volume migration? | 13:38 |
| Ronghui | yes | 13:38 |
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| joehuang | of course, are you interested in this topic? | 13:39 |
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| Ronghui | i have done before the migration of VM between diff node in physical enviroment | 13:40 |
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| joehuang | great, if you are interested in this one, it would be great to work on it in tricircle | 13:40 |
| ztang | I have researched some algorithms about VM migration using bin-packing method | 13:41 |
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| joehuang | can it be applied in cross pod scenario, for tricircle is more about coordinator for different bottom openstack instances | 13:41 |
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| ztang | but some experiments are implemented under cloudsim platform. | 13:42 |
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| ztang | hi joe. i hava read the tricircle resource and also read the keystone and nova and cinder doc,but i dont familiar with the neutron ,can you give some suggestions about how to start joining project for me? | 13:42 |
| joehuang | o, a little different with OpenStack, but some technology may be reused | 13:42 |
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| ztang | lxq can not connent xchat, the above question is proposed by him. | 13:43 |
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| ztang | from lxq: hi joe. i hava read the tricircle resource and also read the keystone and nova and cinder doc,but i dont familiar with the neutron ,can you give some suggestions about how to start joining project for me? | 13:43 |
| joehuang | ok. I think you can find some material on SlideShare for neutron, and some blog in mirantis/redhat are also very good | 13:44 |
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| Ronghui | the migration before is based on shared storage on compute node and in tricircle is same or diff? | 13:45 |
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| Ronghui | and i done it on L2 networking | 13:46 |
| joehuang | I suggested that we have a meeting in #openstack-tricircle on Friday about L2 networking, at UTC+8(China time, 4:00pm) | 13:46 |
| ztang | we must over the wall to access the SlideShare | 13:46 |
| joehuang | it's different, because no shared storage between pod | 13:46 |
| zhiyuan_ | oh sorry joe, i would like to ask for a leave Friday afternoon | 13:47 |
| Ronghui | yes there is no shared storage between pod | 13:47 |
| joehuang | ok, what time you suggest would better work for you | 13:47 |
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| zhiyuan_ | I am leaving on 3pm | 13:49 |
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| joehuang | you can try VPN service, Zhiyuan can give you some infomation | 13:49 |
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| joehuang | so let's have meeting 9:00AM, friday | 13:49 |
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| zhiyuan_ | that's fine for me | 13:49 |
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| ztang | that's great | 13:50 |
| ztang | @zhiyuan what about your email address? | 13:50 |
| joehuang | Ok, Let's continue the discussion on Friday. And if you have any question on devstack, we can communicate in the channel #openstack-tricircle daily | 13:50 |
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| joehuang | you can ping zhiyuan in #openstack-tricircle, or me | 13:51 |
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| zhiyuan_ | luckyvega.g@gmail.com | 13:51 |
| Ronghui | thank for answero for all of u | 13:51 |
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| zhiyuan_ | what about xiaojie? time is ok? | 13:51 |
| joehuang | ok. We have two topics not discussed today, let's discuss next time | 13:52 |
| zhiyuan_ | actually you can send mail to openstack-dev maillist | 13:52 |
| joehuang | xiaojie, are you online | 13:52 |
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| joehuang | yes, like what Yipei did | 13:53 |
| joehuang | ok, Xiaojie's connection is lost. | 13:53 |
| joehuang | let's end the meeting. | 13:53 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 30 13:53:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-03-30-13.01.html | 13:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-03-30-13.01.txt | 13:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-03-30-13.01.log.html | 13:53 |
| joehuang | bye | 13:53 |
| zhiyuan_ | bye | 13:53 |
| zhiyuan_ | exit | 13:54 |
| Yipei_ | bye | 13:54 |
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| Zara | anyone about for the fabled storyboard meeting? | 15:00 |
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| Zara | ;_; | 15:01 |
| Zara | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 30 15:01:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Zara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:01 |
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| Zara | #topic announcements | 15:01 |
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| Zara | SotK's on holiday, this week and next. will be a bit slower to merge things than usual. | 15:01 |
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| Zara | #topic urgent items | 15:02 |
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| Zara | THERE ARE NONE | 15:02 |
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| Zara | #topic In Progress Work | 15:02 |
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| Zara | So, SotK was working on automatic boards and worklists before the holidays | 15:03 |
| Zara | automatic worklists are up! | 15:03 |
| Zara | hopefully we'll have automatic boards by the summit, but I'd have to check with him on that one. :) | 15:03 |
| Zara | #info automatic worklists work! | 15:03 |
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| Zara | For this fortnight, I'm going to concentrate on getting storyboard talking to other things | 15:04 |
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| Zara | so I'm updating the python client atm, also looking into integrating gerrit, possibly gitlab, etc. | 15:04 |
| Zara | a whole bunch of things. the python client was the easiest place to start | 15:05 |
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| Zara | #info Zara is updating the storyboard python client | 15:05 |
| Zara | #info Zara is looking at updating storyboard automatically from a CI system | 15:05 |
| Zara | a generally researchy week as I can't get things merged quickly. | 15:06 |
| Zara | s/week/fortnight | 15:06 |
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| Zara | #topic Discussion Topics | 15:06 |
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| Zara | None listed, I'd ask if I missed anything | 15:06 |
| Zara | but | 15:06 |
| Zara | it's open discussion next | 15:06 |
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| Zara | and I'm not going to argue with myself anyway =D | 15:07 |
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| Zara | #topic Open Discussion | 15:07 |
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| Zara | Anyone have anything to discuss? | 15:07 |
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| Zara | will leave this open for a bit in case anyone's running late, but hopefully I'll remember to finish the meeting this time around. | 15:08 |
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| Zara | will leave this open until half past | 15:23 |
| Zara | so 7 minutes | 15:23 |
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| Zara | okay, ending this meeting so I don't forget to end it. | 15:31 |
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| Zara | available in #storyboard, as always | 15:31 |
| Zara | #endmeeting | 15:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 30 15:31:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-03-30-15.01.html | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-03-30-15.01.txt | 15:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-03-30-15.01.log.html | 15:31 |
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| rajinir | hi | 16:01 |
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| geguileo | hi | 16:01 |
| jseiler_ | hi | 16:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| erlon | hey | 16:01 |
| geguileo | Who has the power to start the meeting? | 16:01 |
| scottda | Hi | 16:02 |
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| e0ne | let's try | 16:02 |
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| e0ne | #startmeeting | 16:02 |
| adrianofr_ | hi | 16:02 |
| openstack | e0ne: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 16:02 |
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| kmartin | hello | 16:02 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:02 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:02 |
| jgregor | Hello! | 16:02 |
| e0ne | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:02 |
| erlon | hi | 16:02 |
| xyang1 | is smcginnis on vacation? | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 30 16:02:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is e0ne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| patrickeast | hi | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:02 |
| adrianofr_ | hi | 16:02 |
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| baumann | Hello! | 16:02 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:02 |
| geguileo | xyang1: I think so | 16:02 |
| dulek | o/ | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis is on vacation, yes | 16:02 |
| diablo_rojo | o/ | 16:02 |
| Swanson | hi | 16:03 |
| DuncanT | I was going to start the meeting but was running a couple of minutes late | 16:03 |
| e0ne | I was not ready, so no anouncments, I think | 16:03 |
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| _alastor_ | hi | 16:03 |
| DuncanT | e0ne can have it instead | 16:03 |
| mc_nair | o/ | 16:03 |
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| e0ne | DuncanT: looks like your topic in the first | 16:03 |
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| e0ne | #topic Permanently undeprecating python-cinderclient CLI | 16:03 |
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| DuncanT | Oh, excellent | 16:03 |
| e0ne | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1561666 | 16:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1561666 in python-openstackclient "python-openstackclient incorrectly calls cinder metadata 'properties'" [Undecided,Won't fix] | 16:04 |
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| e0ne | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090375.html | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:04 |
| DuncanT | So the 'official' client is ignoring docs, project conventions and other libraries, and renaming things as it wishes. I think this is a terrible idea, so I propose we un-depricate python-cinderclient | 16:04 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: I'm agree with you | 16:04 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: but can we do it withoit TC approvement? | 16:05 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: I suggest we just do it, and let them come back to us | 16:05 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:05 |
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| diablo_rojo | Better to ask forgiveness than permission | 16:05 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: I'm happy to go to the TC about it too | 16:05 |
| baumann | DuncanT: Is this a long term fix or just short term? | 16:05 |
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| DuncanT | baumann: I think the openstack-client is long-term broken | 16:06 |
| baumann | DuncanT: lol | 16:06 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: we have to add this thing the TC's meeting agendaa | 16:06 |
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| geguileo | XD | 16:06 |
| dulek | DuncanT: Maybe we should look for consensus once again? | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | oh... wait, I see what you're saying now | 16:06 |
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| diablo_rojo | Well we should technically be moving to the OpenStack Client anyway right? | 16:06 |
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| DuncanT | baumann: I don't think having an 'official' client that doesn't match the project docs is a good idea | 16:06 |
| patrickeast | seems like we should at least keep it un-depricated until we are happy with osc as a replacement | 16:06 |
| erlon | DuncanT: wouldn't the best this to fix the problems with OSC? | 16:06 |
| e0ne | diablo_rojo: yes, but it provides different UX than cinderclient does | 16:06 |
| diablo_rojo | patrickeast: +1 | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | diablo_rojo: that's DuncanT 's point I think | 16:06 |
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| eharney | yeah, this "Required name option" thread this week really worries me | 16:06 |
| jgregor | patrickeast: +1 | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | diablo_rojo: because they use "properties" instead of "metdata"... I think | 16:07 |
| DuncanT | erlon: They aren't interested in fixing it, they don't consider it a but | 16:07 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: There are other little details too | 16:07 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: That was just the most obvious one | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | patrickeast: ++ | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | I think we need to work to get the osc right. | 16:07 |
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| e0ne | patrickeast: +1 | 16:07 |
| diablo_rojo | jgriffith: Okay but the end goal is to get to the OSC right? So we are going to have to make changes to use the 'metadata' eventually right? | 16:07 |
| baumann | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:08 |
| dulek | I think we should undeprecate the client and try to discuss this again with OSC community. Maybe at the summit? | 16:08 |
| diablo_rojo | jgriffith: Or am I wrong? | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | diablo_rojo: yes, absolutley correct on the end-goal | 16:08 |
| DuncanT | diablo_rojo: OSC have said 'no' to metadata | 16:08 |
| dulek | Now with the cross-project spec OSC is far more important for every project. | 16:08 |
| clarkb | as I understand it they have intentionally normalized things across services | 16:08 |
| baumann | dulek: I don't think that's a bad option for now. | 16:08 |
| patrickeast | dulek: +1 | 16:08 |
| clarkb | hence properties | 16:08 |
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| e0ne | DuncanT, diablo_rojo: the same for not-required name option | 16:08 |
| clarkb | this is intentional as part of giving users a sane ui | 16:08 |
| DuncanT | clarkb: I think that's a bad idea | 16:08 |
| diablo_rojo | jgriffith: Oh okay. | 16:08 |
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| DuncanT | clarkb: They don;t | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | personally I prefer properties :) | 16:08 |
| dulek | jgriffith: Because you hate metadata. :D | 16:09 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:09 |
| clarkb | DuncanT: sure you eill have to take that up with them just trying to explain what is going o here | 16:09 |
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| diablo_rojo | dulek: Lol | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: I would if we didn't already have it referred to as metadata in many other places | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | dulek: +1 :) abused, poorly defined and significantly over-used :) | 16:09 |
| clarkb | as an osc user the initial switch is annoying and some.stuff is still missing but overall works well | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: so does that mean we *never* evolve or fix things? | 16:10 |
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| diablo_rojo | jgriffith: I agree with the overused part. It seems to be everywhere. | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: all in the name of "that's how we've always done it" | 16:10 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: No, it means changes have to be done with some thought, not by doing them in one client and calling that the one true way. | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | I agree with clarkb; there are some transition pains, but normalizing and moving forward seems like a good thing | 16:10 |
| dulek | I'm just a little concerned on how this will look outside. We should make sure that the decision is clearly stated and motivated. So we don't look like we're trying to swim against the tide. | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I agree. | 16:11 |
| diablo_rojo | jgriffith: +1 | 16:11 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: The OSC client doesn't match the cinder client, horizon, the docs or other libraries | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | I think the problem is that we haven't taken an active role in the transition that I am aware of. | 16:11 |
| erlon | jgriffith: +1 | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | I know users are wanting to move in this direction. | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: well... maybe that's because it's fixing some of the "bad" things we've done in those projects over the years? | 16:11 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:11 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: If we're going to rename something, it needs to be coordinated, and fixed everywhere. And official client that doesn't match the docs is broken | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | I am fine with keeping cinderclient for now until we get full parity in osc. | 16:11 |
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| DuncanT | s/And/An/ | 16:12 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:12 |
| jgregor | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:12 |
| baumann | jungleboyj: That seems to be the right answer for now | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: well... depending on what you mean by *parity*, that would actually be a step backwards depending on what you envision | 16:12 |
| diablo_rojo | jgregor: sheel and baumann How is the OSC coming? | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Need to take a more active role in understanding DuncanT s concerns though and get osc fixed. | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | but anyway... I don't want to wast peoples time on this | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: By parity, I mean getting all the same commands implemented in osc. | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: I think that's the wrong idea... DuncanT 's example is a good one there. | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Not making it look exactly the same if that if your concern. | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: ? | 16:13 |
| sheel | diablo_rojo: great | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: so dump "metadata" commands and replace with the standardized "properties" naming | 16:13 |
| sheel | diablo_rojo: I am almost done with half of work | 16:13 |
| jgregor | diablo_rojo: We have a topic coming up with a question we have | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: see what I mean? | 16:14 |
| erlon | DuncanT: for me that means taht Cinder need to work in the direction to support, OSC, fix docs etc. If it is not ready right now, the deprecation should stay for a longer time, otherwise nobody will work to make thinks | 16:14 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: You are saying that is a good or bad thing? | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis2 | We need parity before we consider it - in the sense that users are able to accomplish the same things. | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: I'm saying moving forward and changing things is a good thing | 16:15 |
| e0ne | can we follow keystone way? | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Me too! | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: If we do that via deprecating the name in the cinderclient, preferably the API too, updating the docs, etc, then fine. Not by just deciding to call it something new in the OSC and leaving the mismatch | 16:15 |
| patrickeast | smcginnis2: +1 | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis2: yes, that I agree with which was my caveat about "how one defines parity" | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis2: Exactly! | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:15 |
| e0ne | inplement only api v3 with microversions in OSC? | 16:15 |
| baumann | DuncanT: Agreed | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | I don't care if it's the same syntax, names etc... just that i can do the "same stuff" | 16:15 |
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| eharney | e0ne: osc isn't far enough along yet for that to fit our timeline | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: That sounds good to me. | 16:15 |
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| patrickeast | it sounds like most people are on board with keeping cinderclient around then until we are happy with osc? | 16:16 |
| diablo_rojo | DuncanT: +1 | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: There is work to be done there. I am hoping my team can help with that. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | patrickeast: +1 | 16:16 |
| diablo_rojo | patrickeast: Yes | 16:16 |
| sheel | jungleboyj: I am already up on that | 16:16 |
| jgregor | patrickeast: +1 | 16:16 |
| scottda | patrickeast: yes | 16:16 |
| e0ne | patrickeast: +1 | 16:16 |
| sheel | jungleboyj: with jgregor | 16:16 |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj: Great. I'm hoping we'll get some help from the OSC team in terms of telling us what they're wanting to change and why | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis2: jgriffith DuncanT Lets make sure to have this as a topic at the summit and we can plan the road forward to get this all right. | 16:17 |
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| dulek | Cross project session proposition? | 16:17 |
| smcginnis2 | +1 | 16:17 |
| patrickeast | yea definitely a good idea | 16:17 |
| geguileo | +1 | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: One of our major consumers wants to move to this so I should be able to get support. | 16:17 |
| e0ne | dulek: good idea | 16:17 |
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| dulek | There's not a lot of them now: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cross-project-sessions | 16:17 |
| _alastor_ | dulek: +1 | 16:17 |
| smcginnis2 | Not cross project. We need a cinder plan | 16:17 |
| sheel | smcginnis2: +1 | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis2: +1 | 16:18 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis2: +1 | 16:18 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis2: +1 | 16:18 |
| dulek | smcginnis2: Well, OSC is critical for every project - it would be hard to plan only for Cinder. | 16:18 |
| _alastor_ | cinder cross project plan? | 16:18 |
| _alastor_ | to be pedantic :) | 16:18 |
| sheel | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-command-support | 16:18 |
| patrickeast | smcginnis2: well, if its a matter of changing to more standard things like 'properties' it might make sense to have the cross project environment for that discussion | 16:18 |
| smcginnis2 | That part is true. | 16:19 |
| sheel | Current status of OSC command can be found here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-command-support | 16:19 |
| sheel | specific to cinder only | 16:19 |
| dulek | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-command-support | 16:19 |
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| sheel | dulek: yep | 16:19 |
| smcginnis2 | But we already know cross project the plan is to standardize on osc. | 16:19 |
| baumann | patrickeast: +1 | 16:19 |
| scottda | It seems OSC needs microversion support for cinder, nova, ironic, manila... | 16:19 |
| sheel | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+spec/cinder-command-support | 16:19 |
| stevemar | just catching up on this one... | 16:20 |
| e0ne | smcginnis2: do we have any chance to change it? | 16:20 |
| stevemar | i think the bug may have been hastily closed | 16:20 |
| scottda | And OSC does not have it ATM | 16:20 |
| smcginnis2 | We definitely need to talk within cinder about how and when. | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | There's been several people who've appeared to say that OSC is a bad idea with big tent | 16:20 |
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| jlvillal | Woot! | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 30 17:04:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | Hello everyone | 17:04 |
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| jroll | \o | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | As always the agenda is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | #topic Announcements | 17:05 |
| jroll | jlvillal: I have to run but I've been working on using stable agent for stable tests here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:bug/1561756 | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | jroll: Thanks | 17:05 |
| jroll | and also starting to hack on tempest full | 17:05 |
| jroll | but slower there | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | #info jroll has been working on using stable agent for stable tests here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:bug/1561756 | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | #info jroll has also started to hack on tempest full. But slower progress there. | 17:06 |
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| krtaylor | o/ | 17:06 |
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| jroll | more of prioritizing agent thing higher :) but yeah | 17:06 |
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| jroll | happy meeting, see y'all later today | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | thanks jroll | 17:07 |
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| jlvillal | #info stable/mitaka is out for everything Ironic. | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | That is all I have for announcements | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | #topic Grenade testing | 17:07 |
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| jlvillal | #info Change to stable/mitaka is requiring work. Since Ironic moved to being devstack plugin | 17:08 |
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| jlvillal | #info Patch proposed to openstack-infra/project-config: https://review.openstack.org/299011 | 17:09 |
| [1]cdearborn | o/ | 17:09 |
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| jlvillal | #info jlvillal also proposed a doc patch to grenade: https://review.openstack.org/299041 | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | #info Goal will be to get to same level as before stable/mitaka this week. | 17:10 |
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| jlvillal | That's all I got regarding grenade testing. | 17:10 |
| jlvillal | Any questions. | 17:10 |
| jlvillal | Okay moving on | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | #topic Functional testing | 17:11 |
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| jlvillal | Any updates from anyone? | 17:11 |
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| jlvillal | I don't think anyone is working on it. | 17:11 |
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| mishras | o/ | 17:11 |
| krtaylor | my team is distracted, trying to finish up ironic CI | 17:11 |
| krtaylor | slow movement on functional | 17:12 |
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| jlvillal | #info No changes in functional testing | 17:12 |
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| jlvillal | krtaylor: I figured nothing has happened. I know had other priorities. | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | Okay moving on | 17:12 |
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| jlvillal | #topic 3rd Party CI (krtaylor) | 17:12 |
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| jlvillal | krtaylor: All yours | 17:13 |
| sambetts | sorry for being late, it looks like I'm just in time | 17:13 |
| krtaylor | same for me, no progress, had so many downstream distractions the past few weeks | 17:13 |
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| krtaylor | #info No changes in 3rd Party CI | 17:13 |
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| sambetts | Cisco CIMC Driver Job is prety stable now, test runs are taking about 1hr | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | Sweet :) #info that! | 17:14 |
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| sambetts | #info Cisco CIMC Driver Job is prety stable now, test runs are taking about 1hr | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | Anything else regarding 3rd party CI? | 17:15 |
| krtaylor | nice, we are close to turning on our commenting for ironic | 17:15 |
| krtaylor | no, I think that's it | 17:15 |
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| jlvillal | #info AMT driver has been moved to openstack/ironic-staging-drivers, since no 3rd Party CI available | 17:16 |
| jlvillal | Not sure if everyone new about openstack/ironic-staging-drivers | 17:16 |
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| jlvillal | But that is where things go if they don't have 3rd Party CI | 17:17 |
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| jlvillal | Okay moving on | 17:17 |
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| jlvillal | #topic General QA / Open Discussion | 17:17 |
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| jlvillal | The floor is open.' | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | Does anyone have anything? | 17:18 |
| jlvillal | I'll give it until 17:20 if nothing, before ending the meeting. | 17:18 |
| jlvillal | 17:20 UTC that is. | 17:19 |
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| jlvillal | Okay, thanks everyone! Have a great day/evening. | 17:20 |
| jlvillal | #endmeeting | 17:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 30 17:20:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-03-30-17.04.html | 17:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-03-30-17.04.txt | 17:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-03-30-17.04.log.html | 17:20 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting docteam | 18:00 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hello | 18:01 |
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| ShillaSaebi | roll call for the docs US meeting | 18:01 |
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| ShillaSaebi | anyone here for the docs US meeting? | 18:03 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok looks like we dont have many ppl here for the meeting | 18:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | in that case meeting adjourned | 18:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 18:08 |
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| anteaya | the meetbot never started the meeting since there was a whitespace prior to the hash for the invocation command | 18:38 |
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| AJaeger | anteaya: there's still a topic here - is that wrong? | 18:40 |
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| anteaya | yeah I would think that was from the cinder meeting several hours ago | 18:42 |
| anteaya | from when the bot departed, AJaeger | 18:42 |
| anteaya | AJaeger: good eye | 18:42 |
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| fungi | fixed now | 18:44 |
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| AJaeger | thanks, fungi and anteaya | 18:45 |
| fungi | thanks for noticing | 18:45 |
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| anteaya | thanks | 18:48 |
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| annegentle | hey ShillaSaebi is here! woop woop | 19:00 |
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| AJaeger | and annegentle as well ;) | 19:01 |
| annegentle | you up to run it or shall I ShillaSaebi? | 19:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello! | 19:01 |
| annegentle | hi! | 19:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting docteam | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 30 19:01:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 19:01 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hi sorry guys I got hit with the time change thing and came here an hour earlier than I was suppose to | 19:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | and talked to myself for a bit | 19:01 |
| AJaeger | Lol | 19:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | So we skipped the last US docs meeting because I was on holiday | 19:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 19:02 |
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| annegentle | hee | 19:03 |
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| ShillaSaebi | I dont see anything | 19:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | unless someone has something to bring up | 19:04 |
| annegentle | I don't think so | 19:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright awesome | 19:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Specs in review | 19:05 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs in review (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:05 | |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 19:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290053/ (Trove) | 19:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289994/ (Magnum) | 19:05 |
| DevonBoatwright | Hello everyone | 19:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi Dev! | 19:05 |
| annegentle | hiya | 19:05 |
| DevonBoatwright | :) | 19:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright so any questions on the specs in review | 19:06 |
| annegentle | so is the idea that both those will go to newton | 19:07 |
| annegentle | but is anyone going to propose the spec that has a "infra base layer" install guide and an "enhancements" install guide? | 19:07 |
| annegentle | I see both trove and magnum in an "enhancements install guide" | 19:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | I think the idea is that they are going to newton | 19:07 |
| annegentle | and then core infra such as servers, storage, images in a base layer install guide | 19:07 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: I propose to make an Install Guide session in Austin to discuss this. | 19:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | +1 | 19:08 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: I like your idea. | 19:08 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: yeah I think it's in the etherpad, would be nice to have someone write the spec in advance of the sesssion | 19:08 |
| AJaeger | Looking at the openstack-dev discussion, we should open the enhancements guide to include either references - or make it less stringent | 19:08 |
| annegentle | #info Seeking someone to write a dual-layer install guide solution in preparation for Summit discussions: dual-layer meaning "infra base layer" install guide and an "enhancements" install guide | 19:09 |
| annegentle | er, specification | 19:09 |
| annegentle | but yeah | 19:09 |
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| annegentle | that's the idea | 19:09 |
| annegentle | strictness small | 19:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool | 19:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | how are we going to find the volunteer | 19:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | any takers today? or shall we send an e-mail to the ML | 19:11 |
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| annegentle | looks like we don't have Matt so ML | 19:11 |
| * AJaeger won't volunteer ;) | 19:11 | |
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| annegentle | I'm neck-deep in API now | 19:11 |
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| annegentle | otherwise I would, let's see if we get any note readers if ShillaSaebi doesn't have time either :) | 19:12 |
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| ShillaSaebi | I'm swamped as well :( | 19:12 |
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| ShillaSaebi | I can reach out to Matt and then try the ML | 19:13 |
| AJaeger | ShillaSaebi: let's do mailing list directly... | 19:13 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #action ShillaSaebi to send an e-mail to ML looking for a volunteer to write a dual-layer install guide solution in prep for summit discussions: dual-layer meaning "infra base layer" install guide and an "enhancements" install guide | 19:14 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Speciality teams | 19:15 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports | 19:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | please take a look at the etherpad for the updates on specialty teams | 19:15 |
| annegentle | needs a new start | 19:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah looks like it | 19:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | Speciality team leads are asked to propose a patch with their release notes | 19:16 |
| annegentle | heh my tale has yet to be finalized | 19:17 |
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| ShillaSaebi | heh | 19:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | any questions, comments or anything to add on the specialty teams? | 19:19 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: give an update, please ;) | 19:19 |
| AJaeger | http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/openstack-manuals/mitaka.html is current status of release notes | 19:19 |
| annegentle | oh yes sure | 19:19 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: I mean: For the release notes if possible. What about the Quick start? Is that mentioned? | 19:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks AJaeger | 19:20 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: oh yes I can do that | 19:20 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: at least for what we know is done | 19:20 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: there's already an API Guide section ;) | 19:20 |
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| AJaeger | thanks | 19:20 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: that tells the tale to this date hehe | 19:20 |
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| AJaeger | yeah | 19:21 |
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| ShillaSaebi | heh | 19:22 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: yeah I could add links to the quick start and compute API Guides | 19:23 |
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| ShillaSaebi | anything else on specialty teams? | 19:25 |
| annegentle | what's the latest on the ops guide conversion/migration? | 19:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | still in progress | 19:26 |
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| AJaeger | haven't seen any progress after the initial combined effort | 19:26 |
| annegentle | ok, do you need to ask for more help? Could do that in these notes | 19:27 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah and I was out of town and so was 1 other member of the group | 19:27 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah more help is always great | 19:27 |
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| annegentle | #info cleanup needed for Ops Guide complete RST migration | 19:28 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks | 19:29 |
| annegentle | #help propose clean up patches for Ops Guide RST | 19:29 |
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| ShillaSaebi | sweet | 19:29 |
| annegentle | I think that works? | 19:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah | 19:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | thank you | 19:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | anything else on specialty teams? | 19:32 |
| annegentle | great plane work hehe | 19:32 |
| annegentle | for those long boring flights | 19:32 |
| annegentle | migrate a few files! | 19:32 |
| annegentle | it's fun! | 19:32 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: they are all migrated - now need cleanup... | 19:32 |
| annegentle | right | 19:32 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: flying to Austin is looong ;( | 19:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | how long? | 19:33 |
| annegentle | hee | 19:33 |
| AJaeger | 18h total travel time if I don't miss any planes ;) | 19:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | Wow! | 19:34 |
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| AJaeger | That was the quickest one ;) | 19:35 |
| annegentle | eesh. | 19:35 |
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| annegentle | yeah I feel like we're a long way from everywhere in Texas :) | 19:35 |
| vhoward | mine is 3h sorry AJaeger | 19:35 |
| annegentle | vhoward: ha and you're probably coming from Texas :) | 19:35 |
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| AJaeger | vhoward: 3h is enough for a few files ;) | 19:36 |
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| annegentle | ha ha ha ha | 19:36 |
| vhoward | lol | 19:36 |
| ShillaSaebi | lol | 19:36 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright lets move to the next topic | 19:36 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Countdown to release | 19:36 |
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| ShillaSaebi | 7 days! | 19:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | Install Guide testing has made a lot of progress | 19:37 |
| annegentle | wowsa | 19:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | A couple e-mails went out today from Lana and Matt. Matt mentioned what needs to be done before the release for install guide testing | 19:39 |
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| ShillaSaebi | We also have 2 people helping as release managers | 19:40 |
| annegentle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-March/008385.html | 19:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | Brian Moss and Chris Cannon | 19:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Release | 19:41 |
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| annegentle | thank you Brian and Chris | 19:41 |
| AJaeger | Brian moss and Olga! | 19:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes thank you to all helping with the release management | 19:42 |
| AJaeger | Olga Gusarenko, not Chris | 19:42 |
| annegentle | oh yeah! | 19:42 |
| annegentle | Thank you Brian and Olga! | 19:43 |
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| ShillaSaebi | thanks again | 19:45 |
| annegentle | nice to have round the globe coverage | 19:45 |
| ShillaSaebi | absolutely | 19:45 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok moving along | 19:45 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Summit Planning | 19:45 |
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| ShillaSaebi | We have room allocations for Austin, please update #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Newton-DocsSessions | 19:45 |
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| annegentle | the schedule went out this week too, so look for conflicts (looking for the link) | 19:47 |
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| annegentle | ah yes, track layout | 19:47 |
| annegentle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090606.html | 19:47 |
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| ShillaSaebi | great thank you! | 19:49 |
| ShillaSaebi | so feel free to update the link | 19:49 |
| ShillaSaebi | and look it over | 19:50 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Open Discussion | 19:50 |
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| ShillaSaebi | anything anyone wants to bring up? | 19:50 |
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| annegentle | thinking | 19:51 |
| annegentle | I got nothing. Can't wait for everyone to see and enjoy Austin! | 19:52 |
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| AJaeger | ;) | 19:52 |
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| annegentle | thanks ShillaSaebi! | 19:53 |
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| AJaeger | +1 | 19:53 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok awesome thank you everyone! | 19:54 |
| ShillaSaebi | see you soon and thanks again for joining | 19:54 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 19:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 30 19:54:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-03-30-19.01.html | 19:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-03-30-19.01.txt | 19:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-03-30-19.01.log.html | 19:54 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 30 21:00:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting | 21:00 |
| dmorita | hi | 21:00 |
| jrichli | o/ | 21:00 |
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| joeljwright | hey | 21:01 |
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| hosanai | o/ | 21:01 |
| m_kazuhi_ | o/ | 21:01 |
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| kota_ | hello | 21:01 |
| pdardeau | o/ | 21:01 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:01 |
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| sgundur | hi | 21:01 |
| clayg | yo! | 21:01 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: ping | 21:02 |
| acoles | sorry i'm late | 21:02 |
| torgomatic | oh, would you look at the time | 21:02 |
| notmyname | acoles: no worries. we all enjoyed your podcast | 21:02 |
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| acoles | :/ | 21:02 |
| clayg | yeah - acoles should do weekly podcasts | 21:02 |
| tdasilva | lol | 21:03 |
| dfg | o/ | 21:03 |
| * acoles is leaving in embarassment | 21:03 | |
| clayg | dfg!!!! | 21:03 |
| dfg | hey clayg | 21:03 |
| clayg | dfg: is arewin still working on stuff? | 21:03 |
| notmyname | hello everyone! good to see you | 21:04 |
| dfg | clayg: ya but he's been sick that last few days. | 21:04 |
| notmyname | several things to go over this week | 21:04 |
| notmyname | agenda is at | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:04 |
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| clayg | notmyname: looks good | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #topic new core | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "new core (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:04 | |
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| notmyname | I'm happy to announce that donagh is now part of swift core | 21:05 |
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| jrichli | donagh: congrats! | 21:05 |
| notmyname | although not one of the most prolific community members, everyone respects his judgement and advice, and he helps make the project better overall | 21:05 |
| kota_ | congrats! | 21:06 |
| pdardeau | congrats donagh! | 21:06 |
| notmyname | unfortunately, he's been out and isn't online now | 21:06 |
| notmyname | but I hope he'll see the transcript :-) | 21:06 |
| acoles | donagh is sick today, i will relay congrats to him | 21:06 |
| clayg | lol - perfect :) | 21:06 |
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| hosanai | donagh: congrats! | 21:06 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks :-) | 21:06 |
| acoles | and remind him of the 10pm meetings | 21:06 |
| notmyname | acoles: have you had your summer time change yet? | 21:06 |
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| joeljwright | notmyname: yes, summer time now | 21:07 |
| acoles | yep | 21:07 |
| notmyname | ah, good | 21:08 |
| notmyname | so this meeting won't be changing to 11pm :-) | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | #topic release status update | 21:08 |
| acoles | for cschwede it did, poor cschwede | 21:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release status update (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:08 | |
| notmyname | yeah :-( | 21:08 |
| notmyname | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090501.html | 21:08 |
| notmyname | there's the release email I sent to the mailing list | 21:08 |
| notmyname | thank you everyone for a great release! | 21:09 |
| notmyname | it got finished up and cut late last week | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | this is our contribution to the mitaka release | 21:09 |
| clayg | yeah concurrent reads - mattoliverau congrats on both your babies! | 21:09 |
| clayg | mitaka is so lucky | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | from my perspective, this release went really well. I didn't feel like there was a huge time crunch or rush to get something in | 21:10 |
| notmyname | what did you think? anything we should change for next time or that we did right that we should do again? | 21:10 |
| * dfg happy about conc read too :) | 21:10 | |
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| clayg | notmyname: i'm not sure really why this was release was any better than previous except for no storage policies or ec change series | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | yeah, I think that's a major part of it | 21:11 |
| clayg | ... and then we *didn't* land encryption - which was sort of a booberries - but ultimately obviously the right call | 21:11 |
| clayg | notmyname: probably we should take our pulse here and recognize that right before a OS cycle release is not when we want to land big things | 21:12 |
| acoles | notmyname: it helped getting priority reviews wiki page up again for the pre-release weeks | 21:12 |
| clayg | so coming into austin lets make sure that we can focus on what's left for encryption and stick with it - so we don't have to wait until the end of a cycle to make it happen | 21:12 |
| clayg | planning future chnages - if it's not "basically merged" at the midcycle - we know we want want it in the cut | 21:13 |
| clayg | IMHO | 21:13 |
| notmyname | acoles: yeah, I liked the priority reviews page too | 21:13 |
| notmyname | clayg: yep. I agree | 21:13 |
| clayg | acoles: +1 - notmynames curation of the review backlog really help shape and focus the release - it's a killer feature | 21:13 |
| notmyname | and, FWIW, I updated https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews again, post-release | 21:13 |
| clayg | notmyname: nice! | 21:14 |
| notmyname | it's largely the same, just doesn't say "mitaka" anymore | 21:14 |
| notmyname | and I'll be spending some more time there | 21:14 |
| acoles | notmyname: could we get the copy middleware patches on there? | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | I'm imagining a future hybrid of some sort between the wiki page and the list on http://not.mn/swift/swift_community_dashboard.html | 21:14 |
| notmyname | acoles: yeah, it needs to be added. good call | 21:14 |
| acoles | thanks | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | I'll do that right after the meeting, unless someone beats me to it | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | any other thoughts to share on this release before we move on? | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | ok, moving on | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | #topic rolling upgrades testing | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | remember the fire drill from last week? | 21:16 |
| notmyname | in case you don't here's the summary: | 21:16 |
| notmyname | the TC proposed removing the "supports rolling upgrades" tag from swift | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | (aside from being wrong) the consequence is that swift's maturity score, as published on the openstack website, would go down. | 21:17 |
| notmyname | and that's terrible, especially right before a big marketing release | 21:17 |
| notmyname | so the reason they proposed removing it is because we don't have a gate test that runs tests against a partially-upgraded cluster | 21:18 |
| notmyname | eg upgrade storage nodes + old proxy + functests pass | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | so, first off, thanks especially to timburke acoles and cschwede who all jumped in to figure out how to actually do this sort of testing in the openstack CI system | 21:19 |
| notmyname | because of that work, along with some help from -infra, we've made some good progress | 21:19 |
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| clayg | acoles: timburke: cschwede: wtg! | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | and the immediate removal of the tag has been delayed. ie we still have it, and the decision will be revisited "in a few weeks" | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | cschwede said he wouldn't make it to the meetign today, but here's a summary he sent earlier | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | "a quick note on the rolling upgrade tests: I’m working on a local dual-node test env, based on sdague’s patches to use that approach, but it’s not done yet. i’ll continue working on that" | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | the idea right now is based on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297311/ | 21:21 |
| patchbot | notmyname: patch 297311 - openstack-infra/devstack-gate - Run swift services on subnode | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | this uses the "multinode" CI setup to have 2 VMs in a test job. one will have version X and the other will have version Y | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | (no I don't know exactly what X and Y are, at this point) | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | cschwede's work started slightly differently and has 3 patches that he's working on changing to work with the multinode setup (they are listed on the meeting agenda) | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | but the basic thing we've got to do now is figure out how to set up a ring that includes the other node in the multinode setup so that it's all one swift cluster | 21:22 |
| clayg | goodness so devstack can do multinode deployments now too? | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | in all of this work, acoles discovered an important bug that we landed as an oversight. | 21:23 |
| notmyname | https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1562083 | 21:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1562083 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "mid-upgrade clusters can cause versioned write errors" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Tim Burke (1-tim-z) | 21:23 |
| clayg | yay thanks timburke ! | 21:24 |
| clayg | er... for assigning it :\ | 21:24 |
| notmyname | and it seems like timburke grabbed it 1 minute ago :-) | 21:24 |
| timburke | ...and causing it... | 21:24 |
| notmyname | I was just about to ask for someone to jump on it :-) | 21:24 |
| clayg | yeah - no not that - i wasn't trying to make a back-handed compliment - happens to all of us! | 21:24 |
| notmyname | the details (and mitigation) are in the bug report | 21:24 |
| timburke | figured it was only appropriate | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | timburke: thanks (sincerely, unlike clayg ;-) for jumping on it | 21:25 |
| clayg | timburke: and you just wrote it - reviews ensure all our mistakes can be equally blamed on everyone | 21:25 |
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| clayg | notmyname: i was being sincere! :'( it's the boy who cried wolf | 21:25 |
| clayg | *this* time i wasn't being a jerk - promise! | 21:25 |
| acoles | timburke: +1 for wot clayg said ^^ | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | winkey face | 21:25 |
| clayg | lol | 21:25 |
| joeljwright | :D | 21:26 |
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| timburke | oh, i figured he was being sincere | 21:26 |
| notmyname | any questions about the testing status, the need for it, the current bug, or what you need to do? | 21:26 |
| clayg | notmyname: aside from comments form the peanut gallery I'm staying out of this one - looking forward to seeing the upgrade test running tho | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | my canned response is that if you don't know what to do, then your job is to review the patch when it comes in! | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | so we can blame bugs on all of us again :-) | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | moving on | 21:28 |
| notmyname | #topic summit planning | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | woohoo. summit time | 21:28 |
| notmyname | we've got about a month before the austin summit | 21:28 |
| notmyname | I hope to see all of you there | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | the official schedule for the design summit should be published tomorrow, i think | 21:29 |
| notmyname | but you can see the tentative one attached to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090606.html | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | like in Tokyo, swift has 2 fishbowl sessions, 12 working room sessions, and 2 half-days on friday | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | as a reminder, fishbowl sessions are designed to be larger sessions that have more people in them. more like facilitated presentations/discussions | 21:30 |
| notmyname | working sessions are more like what we do at hackathons. smaller rooms, smaller groups, more informal. they will not have a title published on the schedule, so as not to encourage a lot of looky-loos for popular topics | 21:31 |
| notmyname | and the friday meetup is basically a free-form time that we'll have all day for | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | looking at the schedule so far, we've got a lot of big contiguous chunks of time | 21:32 |
| notmyname | so like tokyo, I'd like to schedule them as "during the next block of time, let's cover these topics" | 21:32 |
| notmyname | before tokyo, we did something more like scheduling one topic per time slot. that got really exhausting, mentally, and was too long for some things and too short for others | 21:33 |
| notmyname | does that sound good to you? | 21:33 |
| joeljwright | #agreed | 21:34 |
| joeljwright | or whatever the command should be | 21:34 |
| joeljwright | :D | 21:34 |
| jrichli | +1 | 21:34 |
| dmorita | +1 | 21:34 |
| hosanai | +1 | 21:34 |
| torgomatic | do eet | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | great :-) | 21:34 |
| clayg | %^&ing A | 21:34 |
| m_kazuhi_ | +1 | 21:35 |
| acoles | +1 | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | the swift sessions will pretty much be wed-fri then. monday is ops feedback, and if there's any swift topics, that will be good to listen to. tuesday is for cross-project stuff. one cross-project thing proposed is about the (potential?) separation of design summit from conference | 21:35 |
| clayg | notmyname: I still have this vague nebulous thinking that as we move our summit "presence" more toward working/hacking sessions we alienate some of the ... input? interest? | 21:36 |
| notmyname | so there's a lot to keep us busy (even if your company doesn't asign you to marketing booth duty) | 21:36 |
| clayg | I'm not sure how helpful it is to have random happen-bys come in and start giving their opinions on stuff they don't know about or asking questions about stuff the room is already caught up on | 21:36 |
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| clayg | ... but there's bound to be an impact if most of the swift activity is "invisible" - dunno how much i care - but I tend to worry abou it come summit time? | 21:37 |
| notmyname | yeah, I think that's an important thing to consider | 21:37 |
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| clayg | is the monday session in the fishbowl? definately don't want to miss out hear from any other operators that make it to the summit | 21:38 |
| notmyname | no, our 2 fishbowls are on wednesday | 21:38 |
| acoles | the fishbowls can help in that respect, if we choose the right topics for them - in tokyo we had an ops fishbowl iirc? | 21:38 |
| notmyname | I'm not sure how the ops sessions will be run/scheduled | 21:38 |
| clayg | notmyname: and we're still working on what goes when - right? | 21:38 |
| notmyname | right. perfect segue. | 21:38 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-newton-summit-planning | 21:38 |
| notmyname | put your topic ideas in there | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | and we'll build a general schedule from that | 21:39 |
| clayg | acoles: yeah i agree if we only have two published fishbowls it's important to fill them with the right topics - and specifically not working/hacking topics - even if the subject matter bleeds into the work week and we have to go over it "again" | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | yeah, two fishbowls is hard. | 21:41 |
| clayg | notmyname: do you want "interested" lines on these? | 21:41 |
| notmyname | yeah, that would be great | 21:42 |
| clayg | looks pretty empty - do you still have the pad from bristol-prep? | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | yeah, I just made it this morning :-) | 21:42 |
| notmyname | clayg: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-hackathon-feb-2016 | 21:43 |
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| clayg | notmyname: i'm expecting if we look at the mid-cycle topics there will be some overlappying - hanks! | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | I expect there will be topics for crypto and container sync and maybe for keystone | 21:44 |
| notmyname | probably for client docs, client feature parity | 21:44 |
| torgomatic | client feature parity? | 21:44 |
| torgomatic | or am I about to be sorry I asked | 21:44 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: making sure that the client actually supports all the things swift offers | 21:44 |
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| torgomatic | oh, right... parity with Swift. That's probably a good idea. | 21:45 |
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| notmyname | there will be a lot, I'm sure. it's not hard to come up with new topics to discuss :-) | 21:45 |
| notmyname | please look over what's on the etherpad and think about what you'd like to see discussed | 21:45 |
| clayg | k | 21:46 |
| notmyname | In the meetings between now and the summit, we'll revisit the etherpad | 21:46 |
| notmyname | anything else to cover on this topic this week? | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up in this week's meeting? | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | ...and it seems like everyone is looking at or filling in stuff on the etherpad :-) | 21:50 |
| notmyname | thank you for coming, everyone | 21:50 |
| notmyname | thank you for working on swift | 21:50 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 30 21:50:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-03-30-21.00.html | 21:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-03-30-21.00.txt | 21:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-03-30-21.00.log.html | 21:50 |
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