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| avter | hi, all, I want to consult a question, that is, what is means of "workflow" label in gerrit web? and what conditions must be met if a bp want to have "workflow +1"? thk you | 09:05 |
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| dhellmann | #startmeeting releaseteam | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Mar 25 14:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping: ttx, dims, lifeless | 14:00 |
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| ttx | o/ | 14:02 |
| dims | o/ (50%) | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | our agenda for today is under the R-2 week in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-release-tracking | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | #topic Mitaka release issues | 14:03 |
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| dhellmann | #info Aggressively releasing requirements updates in stable/mitaka: min or patch update | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | #undo | 14:03 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x2efee10> | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | #info Aggressively releasing requirements updates in stable/mitaka: min or patch update? | 14:03 |
| ttx | I tried to list all the issues, I may have missed some | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | I think we agreed for this one that we should go ahead and apply semver rules, is that how you remember it? | 14:04 |
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| ttx | so we'd do min update | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | that is, we should allow min version updates if the requirements changes dictate them | 14:04 |
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| ttx | ok | 14:05 |
| dhellmann | some of the changes may not, though | 14:05 |
| dhellmann | #agreed apply SemVer rules and raise minimum values where appropriate | 14:05 |
| dhellmann | #info mitaka ahead of master in pbr (and getting worse if we release on stable/mitaka: should we aggressively release on newton to close the gap ? | 14:05 |
| ttx | works for me, I think if we release we create the master < stable situation anyway | 14:05 |
| dhellmann | right | 14:05 |
| ttx | so we can do 3 things here | 14:05 |
| ttx | release a Y+2 after the Y+1 | 14:06 |
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| ttx | (or around the same time) | 14:06 |
| ttx | pass a dummy sem-ver: thing so that PBR is happy | 14:06 |
| ttx | ignore it as non-relevant | 14:06 |
| ttx | the thread seems to oscillate between the three | 14:06 |
| dhellmann | we would have to do 2 semver update instructions, right? | 14:07 |
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| dhellmann | to have Y+2 | 14:07 |
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| ttx | if we do min patch... probably | 14:07 |
| ttx | sigh | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that feels a bit silly | 14:07 |
| ttx | even sillier than Y+2 | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | my inclination is to ignore it until there's a reason to release anyway, but look for those as soon as possible | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | and then do the Y+2 release | 14:08 |
| ttx | yeah, maybe "encouraging early releases" is a reasonable compromise | 14:08 |
| ttx | so 3+1 | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | #agreed to resolve the master < stable version issue, encourage early newton releases of Y+2 | 14:09 |
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| ttx | it's not as if we didn't have the issue already | 14:09 |
| ttx | just try to keep it short, I guess | 14:09 |
| dhellmann | exactly | 14:10 |
| dhellmann | #info Merging of tags from stable into master | 14:10 |
| ttx | So.. what would that solve | 14:10 |
| dhellmann | this came up in the ML thread about the versioning | 14:10 |
| dhellmann | I don't think it's a solution, I think it may break reno :-/ | 14:10 |
| ttx | if you merge the tags in master you would still generate racing versions | 14:10 |
| ttx | iiuc | 14:10 |
| ttx | until you tag master | 14:11 |
| ttx | with something that will forever be > stable | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | I'll have to take a look at what happens in a reno after a stable tag is merged into master, but I suspect it's going to confuse reno as it scans the tag history backwards | 14:11 |
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| ttx | yeah, needs more investigation, and not practical for this round anyway | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | at least for the "unreleased" pages, so we may need to use the earliest-version setting to prevent it from pulling in a bunch of old data incorrectly | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | just noting it here as an issue | 14:11 |
| ttx | maybe add it to the newton plan so that we investigate it when we have our lives back | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | good thought | 14:12 |
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| * ttx is in "defer all the things" mode | 14:12 | |
| ttx | btw in theory my Monday is a holiday, so I was planning to do a light day | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | today is supposed to be a holiday for me (new company, new holiday list), but I'll be around for the morning at least | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | #info python-senlinclient situation (wants to do a mitaka patch release but has released 0.4.1 over 0.4.0 on master): fast-forward stable/mitaka to 0.4.1 ? | 14:13 |
| ttx | so yeah, this is a bit of a mess | 14:14 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, wow | 14:14 |
| ttx | one more vote for removing tag rights to everyone | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | we should add a step to approving new projects as official that the release team helps them straighten out their tagging, and takes that over | 14:14 |
| ttx | I'd say we can do two things | 14:14 |
| ttx | one - do nothing, d not rele&ase and have stable/mitaka be a dead branch | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | the tag is on master? that's worse than I thought | 14:15 |
| ttx | pray that there is no CVE | 14:15 |
| ttx | etc | 14:15 |
| ttx | two - fast-forward stabel/mitaka to 0.4.1 | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | I think I'd rather do that | 14:15 |
| ttx | i.e. remove the branch and recreate it | 14:16 |
| ttx | It's something we have done in the past | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | or merge those commits into stable? | 14:16 |
| ttx | no waot | 14:16 |
| ttx | wait | 14:16 |
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| dhellmann | fixing the branch, one way or the other, is more work now but it's one less special case to keep up with for later | 14:17 |
| ttx | For horizon we did that in the past. We had a milestone/$series cut | 14:17 |
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| ttx | but then they had 30 fixes on master | 14:17 |
| ttx | all to be backported | 14:17 |
| ttx | rather than go through the backport dance, we just recreated proposed/$series | 14:17 |
| ttx | pointing to the newer commit on master | 14:17 |
| dhellmann | ok, if there's precedence for that it's fine with me. I thought we could propose a review for a merge commit on the stable branch, but that may not get the tag right | 14:18 |
| ttx | The only difference here is that we could delete proposed/$series alright. For stable/* we need to go through infra | 14:18 |
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| dhellmann | I can talk with fungi about removing that branch and then I can recreate it at 0.4.1 | 14:18 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: only drawback is that it tends to confuse people that have been following that branch | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | I'll also suggest to Qiming that they let us tag from now on | 14:19 |
| ttx | but I think that's a reasonable trade-off | 14:19 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I think it's ok in this case | 14:19 |
| ttx | the alternative solutions are just way worse | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | ttx: how about the 0.5.0 question with the incompatible changes? | 14:20 |
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| dhellmann | I think we want them to leave those on master | 14:20 |
| ttx | so yeah, make 0.4.1 their stable/mitaka initial release, backport on top of that | 14:20 |
| ttx | make 0.4.2 on stable/mutaka | 14:20 |
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| ttx | then they can do a 0.5.0 on master if they want to | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | right | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | and it will be part of newton | 14:21 |
| ttx | we could post the accompanying ACL change to get tagging to library-release | 14:21 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I'll do that | 14:21 |
| * ttx checks if anything landed on stable/mitaka | 14:22 | |
| ttx | hrm | 14:22 |
| ttx | so one complication | 14:22 |
| ttx | they have two commits landed there | 14:22 |
| ttx | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-senlinclient/log/?h=stable/mitaka | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | one is the .gitreview and the other is a requirements update | 14:22 |
| ttx | in the horizon precedent it was a clean ref | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | both will be regenerated when the new branch is created | 14:23 |
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| ttx | i.e. pointing to a master commit, deleting the branch only removed the ref | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | do you think it would be safer to just propose the merge from master into the branch? | 14:23 |
| ttx | that would not solve the issue | 14:23 |
| ttx | you want the SHA of the 0.4.1 tag | 14:23 |
| ttx | so that you don't redo it or anything | 14:24 |
| ttx | I think it's fine to "lose" those two commits | 14:24 |
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| ttx | I'll see with fungi | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'm not sure why the merge doesn't work but that's fine | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | I can work through that on my own time :-) | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | shall we move on to missing releases? | 14:24 |
| ttx | yep | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | #topic Missing fresh intermediary releases & stable/mitaka | 14:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Missing fresh intermediary releases & stable/mitaka (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:25 | |
| ttx | I listed all the things we are still missing | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | we have bifrost, magnum, monasca, python-searchlightclient, senlin-dashboard, solum-infra-guestagent, and os-win without recent releases | 14:25 |
| ttx | monasca just got proposed | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | ok, good | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | I'll review and process that today | 14:26 |
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| ttx | while you talk to Qiming you can mention senlin-dashboard | 14:27 |
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| dims | o/ (sorry had a conflict) | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | what's our deadline for these projects? next week is final RCs but the final release is listed as the week after. I'll bet some are waiting for that. | 14:27 |
| ttx | yep, they can do next week still | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | I can include next week as the deadline in my reminder email | 14:28 |
| ttx | but they should ta least know they are exposing themselves to some random failures | 14:28 |
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| dhellmann | right | 14:29 |
| ttx | planning on releasing Friday next week is just taking unnecessary risks | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 14:29 |
| ttx | better release now and update it if needed | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll include that in the reminders | 14:29 |
| ttx | at least we have a decent fallback then | 14:29 |
| dims | +1 ttx | 14:29 |
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| ttx | I just don't want people complaining CI was broken Friday and asking for an exception to get in on release week | 14:29 |
| ttx | I want them to know the risk | 14:30 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I'm going to tell folks we won't be doing any more intermediary releases after thursday of next week unless it's critical, and that the release team will have reduced availability between that date and the summit | 14:30 |
| ttx | also those who promised it for this week should deliver | 14:30 |
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| ttx | no point in saying "Wednesday and then miss it and not keeping us informed | 14:31 |
| ttx | makes us nervous and all | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | right | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | #topic Missing but was not in liberty nor in mitaka yet so meh | 14:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Missing but was not in liberty nor in mitaka yet so meh (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:31 | |
| dhellmann | for these, we had cloudkitty and tacker | 14:32 |
| ttx | right, thoise are slightly less critical for us... if they miss it's on them only | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | tacker is new and has an eta of Mar 31 | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | cloudkitty is on my list to remove as an official project | 14:32 |
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| ttx | we can't afford to skip a release on things that were in liberty as easily | 14:32 |
| ttx | They are still technically on time | 14:33 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I'll try to track down someone who can tell me what's going on | 14:34 |
| ttx | we should document clearer that "intermediary" means "making intermediary releases" | 14:34 |
| ttx | I got some updtes from cloudkitty | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | oh, good | 14:34 |
| ttx | told me today or over the weekend | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | ok | 14:34 |
| ttx | Let's put them in the remidner today, and then chase them down Tuesday if they still haven't shipped | 14:35 |
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| dhellmann | why do you consider it more important to chase them down because they were included in liberty? | 14:36 |
| dhellmann | I'm not disagreeing, just trying to understand that reasoning | 14:36 |
| ttx | dhellmann: for continuity I guess | 14:36 |
| ttx | something that released in liberty and would not be in mitaka would certainly be grounds for project removal | 14:36 |
| ttx | (in my book) | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | ok. I guess I consider that we are going to potentially drop projects at any point in their life cycle, and -- yeah | 14:37 |
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| ttx | dropping and disappearing is ~fine | 14:37 |
| ttx | flapping, not so much | 14:37 |
| ttx | or missing the date | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | I would want them to demonstrate for at least a cycle that they were still active before bringing them back in, but yeah, I see that point | 14:38 |
| ttx | something that was never there... well it's still not there | 14:38 |
| ttx | from a releases.o.o perspective it's clean | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | that's a good segue to our next topic | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | #topic what to do with old release data for unofficial projects | 14:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "what to do with old release data for unofficial projects (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:38 | |
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| dhellmann | we have openstack-ansible and tacker both with historical release data in the releases repo | 14:39 |
| ttx | yeah, so on one hand it's sad to "lose" information, but for the sake of clearly saying what is official and what's not, I think we need to get rid of pre-offciial releases in releases.o.o | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | I've proposed changes to do that | 14:40 |
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| ttx | we should not add deliverables to an already-released release basically | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/297298 | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/297666 | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that's more clear to me now | 14:40 |
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| dhellmann | for tacker, it was easier for me to help them get the releases done this way, but I should just have gotten the sha values from them directly instead | 14:40 |
| ttx | It's not about being mean, it's about not rewriting history | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | sure | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | there's also the situation of expecting the teams to figure out how to do this themselves, though | 14:41 |
| odyssey4me | o/ FWIW, I'm happy with that resolution. It makes sense for releases to be used from a point-in-time forward. | 14:41 |
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| dhellmann | what do you think about having an _unofficial directory under the deliverables tree that isn't published? | 14:42 |
| ttx | dhellmann: we kinda have the same issue for non-official things asking for a release | 14:42 |
| odyssey4me | That sounds like opening up a lot of work for a small release team? | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | right. I'm trying to think ahead with projects that want our help with releases, and to make that easier on us. Putting all of the requests through the same process simplifies things. | 14:43 |
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| ttx | yeah, not sure we should handle pre-historic releases | 14:43 |
| ttx | but then the cost is limited | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | odyssey4me : in the long run it may be less work, since it means we can ensure that teams do their releases correctly earlier | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | so we end up with less to clean up after the fact | 14:43 |
| ttx | dhellmann: arguably we should not announce those on openstack-announce either | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | sure, we could make the script smart enough for that, too | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | fwiw, these would all be part of changes for next cycle, not right now | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | so it's just something to think about | 14:44 |
| ttx | dhellmann: right, maybe defer-all-the-things this discussion | 14:44 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: it's true that we'll always have requetss for pre-official releases. And if we want to take tag rights away... simpler that we process them | 14:44 |
| odyssey4me | dhellmann fair enough, I think if you can get to the point of automating the tag portion then it's less hand work and just a review burden, which isn't too bad | 14:45 |
| ttx | rather than get fancy with ACLs | 14:45 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: could be some "non-official" header in the yaml | 14:46 |
| dhellmann | odyssey4me : right, I'm assuming that, but even now it usually only takes a couple of minutes to wait for the merge and run the tag | 14:46 |
| ttx | that would block announces | 14:46 |
| dhellmann | ttx: oh, I like that too | 14:46 |
| ttx | and block publication on the site | 14:46 |
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| ttx | but otherwise would tag and all | 14:46 |
| dhellmann | right | 14:46 |
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| ttx | as long as it's clear when you read the file | 14:46 |
| dhellmann | I making notes in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-relmgt-plan | 14:46 |
| dhellmann | a flag in the file would be easier to manage than a separate directory, so I like that better | 14:47 |
| ttx | dammit, now I failed to defer-all-the-things it | 14:47 |
| dhellmann | meh, it's notes for the summit :-) | 14:47 |
| dhellmann | I think that's it for the formal agenda | 14:47 |
| ttx | yep all done | 14:47 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 14:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:47 | |
| dhellmann | is there anything else to raise? | 14:47 |
| fungi | let me know when you need help with the branch deletion you were talking about | 14:48 |
| ttx | maybe we can discuss it now | 14:48 |
| dhellmann | fungi : right after I close the meeting out would be good, if you have time now | 14:48 |
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| dhellmann | or yeah, even now now :-) | 14:48 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : we need the stable/mitaka branch for openstack/python-senlinclient removed. I'll recreate it using our tools that generate the .gitreview updates, etc. | 14:49 |
| fungi | sure, just need specific details. i was trying to follow along but surprisingly lots going on this morning for being a holiday most places | 14:49 |
| fungi | when was stable/mitaka created for openstack/python-senlinclient? | 14:49 |
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| fungi | i take it the divergence is minor | 14:49 |
| ttx | fungi: it was created on the 0.4.0 tag, but then they tagged 0.4.1 on master | 14:49 |
| fungi | ahh | 14:50 |
| ttx | so we'd rather recreate stable/mitaka over 0.4.1 | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | yes, the only patches on that branch are the .gitreview update and an auto-generated requirements update | 14:50 |
| ttx | rather than having a stable vbranch we can't release from | 14:50 |
| fungi | it won't be fast-forwardable, but i guess that's expected collateral damage | 14:50 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I think we're all willing to live with that for this case | 14:50 |
| ttx | yeah, sounds like better than doing nothing, or removing the tag | 14:50 |
| ttx | which are the other two "solutions" | 14:51 |
| ttx | not sure what happens to those two commits that have no reference to hold them in the git tree | 14:51 |
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| ttx | but I bet you know | 14:52 |
| dhellmann | they're still valid commits in the graph, right? | 14:52 |
| ttx | dhellmann: mayyybe? | 14:52 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: should we go ahead and prepare the update for the service project acls that we need for R-0 and mark it WIP? | 14:54 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : we're going to close out the meeting here soon, so maybe we should continue the discussion in #openstack-release | 14:55 |
| fungi | dhellmann: sure, multiple things happening in multiple channels. am about to pull it up | 14:55 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: I'm assuming we want to wait for the mitaka library updates until early next week, to avoid releasing right before a holiday weekend | 14:56 |
| dhellmann | fungi : right, I expect you're busy, I'm just watching the clock for the meeting slot :-) | 14:56 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: +1 | 14:56 |
| dhellmann | ok | 14:56 |
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| dhellmann | ok, let's go ahead and wrap this up and move back to #openstack-release | 14:57 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: #telemetry)" | 14:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Mar 25 14:57:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-03-25-14.00.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-03-25-14.00.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-03-25-14.00.log.html | 14:57 |
| fungi | okay, stable/mitaka deleted from python-senlinclient. old branch state was at e2c19f4ab5db74e3bc9415bcc2e274fcf7884bcd | 14:57 |
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| fungi | oh, meeting ended | 14:57 |
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