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| thinrichs | Hi all. | 00:00 |
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| thinrichs | Time for the Congress meeting. | 00:01 |
| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 00:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 24 00:01:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: hi | 00:01 |
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| tsandall | hello | 00:01 |
| masahito | hi | 00:01 |
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| thinrichs | Agenda this week is short: discuss Mitaka release | 00:02 |
| thinrichs | Anything else? | 00:02 |
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| thinrichs | #topic Mitaka | 00:04 |
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| thinrichs | Monday/Tuesday we cut RC1 | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | That means (i) master is open for non-mitaka changes and ... | 00:04 |
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| thinrichs | (ii) any change we want to go into Mitaka we need to target to stable/mitaka | 00:04 |
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| thinrichs | If you're submitting a change to mitaka, first submit it to master and then to stable/mitaka. | 00:05 |
| thinrichs | I've done this for a couple of the changes that have merged recently. | 00:05 |
| thinrichs | From the web UI of gerrit, you can Cherry Pick a change and enter stable/mitaka as the branch | 00:05 |
| thinrichs | or you can submit to stable/mitaka from git in the usual way. | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | Any questions? | 00:06 |
| ekcs | should we do that before or after reviews? | 00:06 |
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| ekcs | cherrypick for mitaka that is. | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: I'd probably wait to submit to stable/mitaka until after you get reviews | 00:06 |
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| thinrichs | Once you get signed off for master, then cherry-pick to stable/mitaka. | 00:07 |
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| thinrichs | Just saves you work. | 00:07 |
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| thinrichs | Anything else? | 00:08 |
| ekcs | got it. | 00:08 |
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| thinrichs | Next I think we do some status updates. Are there bugs you know about that you're trying to fix by Mitaka? | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | #topic status | 00:09 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni_: want to start? | 00:09 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: ok | 00:10 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: all the tempest tests in our repo are enabled now, murano is the last one | 00:11 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: and some small things i have found during testing, have fixed that | 00:11 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: i didnt find any critical bugs :) | 00:12 |
| thinrichs | Do we want to add the murano test to mitaka? | 00:12 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: we can add, but we need project-config change to be in first | 00:12 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296380 | 00:13 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: after that i will add | 00:13 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: murano service is not enabled as of now in devstack | 00:13 |
| thinrichs | Are you submitting that change to the stable/mitaka branch as well? | 00:14 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: ya, its a common job for all branches | 00:14 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: so, it works for mitaka as well | 00:15 |
| thinrichs | ramineni_: understood. That strikes me as surprising that there's 1 job for all branches. Do you know why? | 00:15 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: ya :( , infra guys didnt agree for seperate job last time we submitted, remember? | 00:16 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: so, finally settled for one job | 00:16 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni_: right—not saying we should have separate jobs. I think you're doing the right thing. | 00:16 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni_: It was more a question about why when they're running gate on stable/mitaka for congress that they don't pull out the project config for congress from the stable/mitaka branch of project-config | 00:17 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: project-config doesnt have branches | 00:18 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: only master | 00:18 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni_: I see—simple answer. | 00:18 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: :) | 00:19 |
| thinrichs | ramineni_: anything else? | 00:19 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: no, im done | 00:19 |
| thinrichs | masahito: want to go next? | 00:19 |
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| masahito | ok | 00:19 |
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| masahito | I took a look about the error about push driver isn't listed in datasource list. | 00:20 |
| masahito | but I can't reproduce it in local. | 00:21 |
| masahito | That's it from my side. | 00:22 |
| thinrichs | It wasn't that it wasn't shown, it was that there was an internal error when listing it. | 00:22 |
| thinrichs | Did anyone else try the push driver? | 00:22 |
| thinrichs | I wonder if I had an older client. | 00:22 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: haven’t tried. | 00:23 |
| thinrichs | Here's the mail I sent... | 00:24 |
| thinrichs | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089737.html | 00:24 |
| masahito | thinrichs: I'll check it once again. | 00:24 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: could someone else try it out as well? | 00:25 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: i’ll give it a try. | 00:25 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: thanks. Maybe I'm crazy, but I hit 2 different problems. | 00:25 |
| thinrichs | One seemed to be the server, the other the client. | 00:25 |
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| thinrichs | I think it's good to have a 3rd person in the loop. | 00:26 |
| masahito | now I notice that the cause of the error of second one would be URL. | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: if you can take a look soon, I should be available for followup discussions this week. | 00:28 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: ok. | 00:28 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: that might be the problem. | 00:28 |
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| masahito | datasource API model seems to accept /v1/<datasource-*id*>/table/<table-id>/rows .... | 00:29 |
| thinrichs | masahito: I think I pieced together the email though from several different commands, so it could be a problem with my email as well. | 00:29 |
| thinrichs | masahito: are you saying we can only use the UUID of the datasource for the push? | 00:30 |
| thinrichs | I know I didn't try that. | 00:30 |
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| masahito | thinrichs: I think it's for all datasource. not only for push. | 00:30 |
| thinrichs | I'll try that and see if I have better luck. | 00:30 |
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| masahito | I'll also try it. | 00:31 |
| thinrichs | masahito: sorry—that totally makes sense. The client translates from name to ID and the server only expects an ID. | 00:31 |
| thinrichs | As an aside, I think the server ought to accept name or ID in all cases. | 00:31 |
| thinrichs | since both are unambiguous. | 00:31 |
| masahito | thinrichs: right. | 00:31 |
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| thinrichs | Assuming we get it working, which driver should we actually merge? | 00:32 |
| masahito | thinrichs: do you think it's critical bug for RC? | 00:32 |
| thinrichs | masahito: we've told people that they can push data into Congress in Mitaka. So it'd be nice to have at least 1 driver merged. | 00:33 |
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| thinrichs | The downside to the DoctorDriver is that it has a fixed schema. | 00:33 |
| thinrichs | I was trying to put together a version that let people push any data in any schema that want as long as the schema just includes tables | 00:34 |
| thinrichs | (so no embedded structure that we'd need to translate into tables) | 00:34 |
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| thinrichs | The schema could then be computed at any point in time as just the collection of tables that have been pushed in. | 00:35 |
| thinrichs | Thoughts? | 00:35 |
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| masahito | I think it's good as sample driver. | 00:36 |
| ekcs | sounds good. | 00:36 |
| masahito | I push DoctorDriver in next release. | 00:36 |
| thinrichs | DoctorDriver in the next release makes sense | 00:37 |
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| masahito | And if technically possible I'll change DoctorDriver following the translation. | 00:38 |
| thinrichs | Here's the sample driver I started: | 00:38 |
| thinrichs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294348/ | 00:38 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: once we verify that everything is working as we'd expect, do you have time to finish off the sample driver I started? | 00:38 |
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| masahito | it means merge it? or fix some comments? | 00:40 |
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| masahito | of cause, both are ok. | 00:41 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: I never got it working, so I'd imagine there's some work to do, and then we'll want to test it, and then get it reviewed, and merge | 00:41 |
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| masahito | thinrichs: got it. | 00:41 |
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| masahito | i'll do that | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | masahito: I overrode 1 or 2 methods from the base class so we could avoid handing in translators. Otherwise it should be straightforward. | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | masahito: thanks! | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: how is your bug finding/squashing going? I saw a couple fixes of late. | 00:43 |
| ekcs | 1. Here's a critical fix for Mitaka. The way I did antlr3 py2vs3 selection broke the stand-alone install. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295621/ | 00:43 |
| ekcs | 2. Still not sure if this is a bug or not. I haven't worked much more on it since the last comment. https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1559362 | 00:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1559362 in congress "heat ERROR: Authentication failed: Authentication required" [Undecided,New] | 00:43 |
| ekcs | 3. I've been working on stand-alone install instructions. With this patch, it should be a working set of instructions. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296826/ | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | For (2) I wonder if the token that the client is getting from Keystone is timing out. | 00:45 |
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| ekcs | So would that be a heat bug? | 00:45 |
| thinrichs | Not sure. Maybe there's just a way to tell the client to refresh its token. | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | Maybe all the other services catch that error automatically and refresh the token. | 00:46 |
| ekcs | hmm. ok. | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | It's probably worth asking the Heat team if that can happen and if so how to deal with it. | 00:47 |
| ekcs | ok | 00:47 |
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| ekcs | would mailing list be a good place? | 00:47 |
| thinrichs | I'd think so. Or the heat IRC. | 00:47 |
| ekcs | great. | 00:47 |
| thinrichs | I'd probably start with the ML and if you get no response in a day ping someone on IRC. | 00:47 |
| ekcs | k. | 00:48 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: nice work going through the standalone instructions. I know bryan_att had trouble getting us installed. | 00:48 |
| ekcs | yup. | 00:49 |
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| thinrichs | Let's open it up for discussion the last few minutes. | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | #topic open discussion | 00:49 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: you were asking about stable/liberty release before, is it done? | 00:51 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni_: I'm not remembering right now. Was I supposed to cut another release? | 00:52 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: ya, you mailed before .. dont remeber exactly when | 00:54 |
| thinrichs | I'm looking at the changes that have gone in since liberty's 2.0.0 release | 00:54 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: but never mind , if we dont have any plans to release | 00:54 |
| thinrichs | I remember that being on the list of things to do; I just don't remember why. | 00:55 |
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| thinrichs | If we have enough changes since 2.0.0 and we don't expect any more anytime soon, it makes sense to cut the release. | 00:55 |
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| thinrichs | Yeah—we should cut a release on liberty. There are some bug fixes in there. | 00:56 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: ok, if we plan to cut a release, ill backport some neutron tests which are stabe now, last time i disabled them | 00:56 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni_: ok. Let me know when you're done, and I'll cut the release. | 00:57 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: ok, sure | 00:57 |
| ekcs | For Mitaka, does it make sense to prepare a set of python3 Congress install instructions? Or not really needed at this point? | 00:57 |
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| thinrichs | Are the instructions different for python2 and python3? | 00:58 |
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| ekcs | very similar. pip3 for pip, python3 for python. Other than that it’s the need to use pymysql because straight mysqldb python client doesn’t support 3 | 00:59 |
| ekcs | install and use pymysql | 00:59 |
| thinrichs | I worry about adding a whole new set of install instructions this late in the release. | 01:00 |
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| ekcs | ok. I don’t really think people are going to miss it really. | 01:00 |
| ekcs | 2.7 is still standard. | 01:00 |
| ekcs | for deployment. | 01:00 |
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| thinrichs | Let's add those instructions to master though. | 01:01 |
| ekcs | ok. | 01:01 |
| thinrichs | Maybe even just give the python3 instructions | 01:01 |
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| thinrichs | Or at least think about it. | 01:01 |
| thinrichs | Out of time. | 01:01 |
| thinrichs | Thanks all! | 01:01 |
| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 01:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 24 01:01:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-03-24-00.01.html | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-03-24-00.01.txt | 01:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-03-24-00.01.log.html | 01:01 |
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| gmann | #startmeeting qa | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 24 09:00:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 09:00 |
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| gmann | hi who's here for today? | 09:00 |
| jlanoux | hi | 09:00 |
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| jordanP | hi | 09:01 |
| gmann | jlanoux: jordanP : hi | 09:01 |
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| gmann | Let's wait for few min to have more people | 09:01 |
| andreaf | o/ | 09:01 |
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| gmann | andreaf: hi | 09:02 |
| andreaf | gmann: hi | 09:02 |
| gmann | masayukig will not be able to join today | 09:02 |
| gmann | So let's start | 09:02 |
| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_March_24th_2016_.280900_UTC.29 | 09:03 |
| gmann | ^^ today agenda | 09:03 |
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| gmann | #topic Specs Reviews | 09:03 |
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| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 09:03 |
| gmann | andreaf: most of spec from you :) anything you want to bring up here | 09:04 |
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| andreaf | gmann: just that I've been swamped with internal stuff in the past weeks | 09:04 |
| andreaf | gmann: but I will pick up specs and reviews again now, sorry about the delay on those | 09:04 |
| gmann | ohk | 09:04 |
| gmann | np, you already doing lot of thing :) | 09:05 |
| gmann | andreaf: for client refactor m almost good, just a suggestion if we can simplify the access of registered clients | 09:05 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92804/ | 09:05 |
| gmann | may be you can take look later if that makes sense | 09:06 |
| andreaf | gmann: I will check your comment | 09:06 |
| gmann | andreaf: Thanks :) | 09:06 |
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| andreaf | gmann: initially my approach was to have support for aliases and simplified names to access clients | 09:06 |
| jordanP | the less "meta programming" the better, imo | 09:07 |
| andreaf | gmann: but after discussing with mtreinish we agreed that was too much complexity | 09:07 |
| jordanP | I am looking closely at this | 09:07 |
| gmann | yea. | 09:07 |
| gmann | jordanP: yea agree on that. Thanks | 09:07 |
| andreaf | gmann, jordanP: well exactly so for now names will be what they are now | 09:07 |
| jordanP | great | 09:07 |
| andreaf | gmann, jordanP: and for registered client it will be plugin_client_name | 09:08 |
| andreaf | gmann, jordanP: so we can avoid name conflicts across plugins | 09:08 |
| jordanP | I am not sure this was a big concern, but that's good to know | 09:08 |
| andreaf | gmann. jordanP: a follow up will be to cleanup and standardise names across internal clients and least and get rid of all the aliasing in test base classes | 09:09 |
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| mkoderer__ | hello | 09:09 |
| gmann | andreaf: yea, i was thinking if "client_name" part can be taken from users itself instead of building from class name etc | 09:09 |
| jordanP | I am not sure people will move massively to the plugin models | 09:09 |
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| andreaf | jordanP: well, flavor_client can be in many places :D | 09:09 |
| gmann | mkoderer__: hi | 09:09 |
| andreaf | gmann: yes it will be defined statically and not taken from the class name | 09:10 |
| andreaf | at least until we have a standard defined and enforced | 09:10 |
| gmann | andreaf: great. that solve my main concern | 09:10 |
| gmann | andreaf: yea, we should do standard definition there but may be later | 09:10 |
| andreaf | gmann, jordanP: there is another problem with different instances of the same client in the manager | 09:10 |
| andreaf | like identity does for instance with public and admin for v2 | 09:11 |
| andreaf | but I guess those can still defined old stile by tempest client manager | 09:11 |
| jordanP | what's the problem (apart from being ugly) | 09:11 |
| andreaf | jordanP: it's just a deviation from one-client -> one-attribute | 09:12 |
| gmann | andreaf: yea for those we need some exception in naming if we do standard one for all | 09:12 |
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| andreaf | jordanP: but I don't want to extend the model to being 1 client -> n attributes because it makes things more complex | 09:12 |
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| andreaf | jordanP: so extra attributes can be added "by hand" by the client manager definition | 09:13 |
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| gmann | and we might need that as those 2 instances can be needed in single tests | 09:13 |
| jordanP | ok | 09:13 |
| andreaf | jordanP, gmann: thanks for your comments on this - I will update the spec and try to keep things as simple and non-meta-programming as possible :) | 09:14 |
| gmann | ok, I think that is close to merge now and let's review after update . | 09:15 |
| gmann | Thanks andreaf for all hard work on this :) | 09:15 |
| gmann | anything on any other spec ? | 09:15 |
| gmann | ok, let's move | 09:16 |
| gmann | #topic Priority Items | 09:16 |
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| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-qa-priorities | 09:16 |
| gmann | so i want to update on microversion one | 09:16 |
| gmann | all framework is now merged in tempest/lib | 09:17 |
| gmann | and doc also added | 09:17 |
| gmann | there is small updates in doc left | 09:17 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296939/ | 09:17 |
| gmann | it is simple one if you guys can review | 09:17 |
| jordanP | about microversion: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258391/32/tempest/lib/api_schema/response/compute/v2_19/servers.py | 09:17 |
| gmann | I will close the BP after this | 09:17 |
| jordanP | how come this looks suboptimal ? | 09:18 |
| jordanP | there's no otherway around this ? | 09:18 |
| gmann | jordanP: yea actually tempest own the compute response schema and they change across versions | 09:18 |
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| jordanP | yeah I get the why. But this looks ugly no ? | 09:19 |
| gmann | jordanP: in 2.19 only those API schema has been changed so need to version those | 09:19 |
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| gmann | jordanP: humm, yea right. it was more if we do in same file. so i tried to separate those in separate file | 09:20 |
| gmann | jordanP: I am open to have more better way if any. | 09:20 |
| gmann | at least more readable way if we can find | 09:20 |
| gmann | also i do not want to duplicate the schema among version so copying those from previous version schema | 09:20 |
| jordanP | yeah, I see. | 09:21 |
| jordanP | anyway, it's minor | 09:21 |
| gmann | jordanP: and another hard thing is if we implement the version tests randomly like we did for 2.20 | 09:21 |
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| gmann | we have to version previous microversion schema also, there is no way to aboid that | 09:22 |
| gmann | avoid | 09:22 |
| gmann | I have documented those extra step in doc to make it understand | 09:22 |
| jordanP | ok | 09:22 |
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| gmann | ok | 09:23 |
| jordanP | guys, not in priority items, but while I worked on replacing httplib2 by urllib3 I noticed that we use a lot "oslotest.mockpatch" in our unit tests | 09:24 |
| gmann | so any other items anyone want to discuss on priority items? | 09:24 |
| andreaf | on (10) the ssh-auth-bp is basically done, jlanoux has prepared docs updates | 09:24 |
| jordanP | mockpatch is deprecated and is going to be removed | 09:24 |
| andreaf | once those merge I propose we close the bp | 09:24 |
| gmann | jordanP: I see | 09:24 |
| jlanoux | andreaf: actually it merged this night | 09:24 |
| gmann | andreaf: great, do we have link for that patch ? | 09:24 |
| jlanoux | we can close it :) | 09:24 |
| gmann | jlanoux: oh great | 09:24 |
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| andreaf | jlanoux: oh, even better | 09:25 |
| andreaf | :) | 09:25 |
| jlanoux | (yay) | 09:25 |
| gmann | jlanoux: andreaf Thanks :) | 09:25 |
| gmann | jordanP: so on that do you have patch up? | 09:25 |
| jordanP | to replace httplib2 yes: here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295900/ | 09:25 |
| jordanP | it's not a WIP anymore, I am waiting for jenkins to be green | 09:26 |
| gmann | jordanP: Thanks | 09:26 |
| jordanP | it should be | 09:26 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295900/ | 09:26 |
| gmann | we will check | 09:26 |
| jordanP | but someone could work on getting ride of "oslotest.mockpatch" | 09:26 |
| gmann | and about "oslotest.mockpatch" what is other option ? | 09:26 |
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| jordanP | and use only "mock" | 09:26 |
| gmann | jordanP: ok | 09:26 |
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| jordanP | mock is good, it's in Python 3 stdlib | 09:27 |
| gmann | jordanP: I will check may be in next week if no one pickup | 09:27 |
| gmann | jordanP: +1 | 09:27 |
| jordanP | it's the "the facto" library for this kind of thing | 09:27 |
| jordanP | and mockpatch was just a small wrapper around it, not super useful imp | 09:27 |
| jordanP | imo | 09:27 |
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| gmann | humm, yea we can cleanup those | 09:28 |
| jordanP | also, I am not a fan of how we use "useFixture" from the testtools library | 09:28 |
| gmann | jordanP: the way we use or "useFixture" not good? | 09:28 |
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| gmann | i feel "useFixture" very useful for auto cleanup etc | 09:29 |
| jordanP | in Tempest we use useFixture() method from the testtools library, most of the time we don"t need it | 09:29 |
| jordanP | yeah but mock.patch "undo" the mock automatically if you use the decorator form | 09:29 |
| jordanP | I don't like autocleanup, too magical. | 09:30 |
| mkoderer__ | jordanP: +1 | 09:30 |
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| gmann | jordanP: but mostly we use it for config options setting | 09:30 |
| jordanP | too much "auto"everything and then you forget what the code actually does | 09:30 |
| jordanP | gmann, what I found very common in Tempest is: self.useFixture(oslotest.mockpatch('..')) | 09:31 |
| jordanP | why a simple @mock.patch around the test itself would work very well | 09:31 |
| jordanP | *while | 09:31 |
| jordanP | anyway, I may be able to work on it too | 09:32 |
| jordanP | anyway, guys I spent 2 days on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295900 (Get rid of httplib2, use urllib3 instead) so I'd appreciate any review | 09:32 |
| gmann | jordanP: i see | 09:33 |
| gmann | like this https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/tests/common/test_alt_available.py#L46 | 09:33 |
| jordanP | it's not sexy to review, and I fought with unit tests, but it's an improvement I am sure of it | 09:33 |
| jordanP | yeah | 09:33 |
| gmann | jordanP: ok | 09:34 |
| gmann | we will review those. Thanks jordanP | 09:34 |
| jordanP | thanks | 09:34 |
| gmann | moving next.. | 09:34 |
| gmann | #topic Tempest | 09:35 |
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| gmann | i think on negative tests we have good discussion in ML | 09:35 |
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| gmann | anyone want to talk on this or we move on? | 09:35 |
| jordanP | I am not sure we came to a clear conclusion | 09:36 |
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| jordanP | I still stand by my position: they don"t hurt, and some of them are useful | 09:36 |
| gmann | jordanP: yea, so i added it in Austin design session candidate which we will talk later | 09:36 |
| jordanP | ok | 09:36 |
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| gmann | I have nother to discuss, v2.20 microversion tests | 09:37 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258391/ | 09:37 |
| jlanoux | I have a general comment linked to what was said regarding the negative tests | 09:37 |
| gmann | jordanP: jlanoux Thanks for review and working | 09:37 |
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| gmann | jlanoux: sure | 09:37 |
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| jlanoux | More and more features are added to OpenStack. So as I agree we need to keep an eye on time testing, we need to face the fact that the global time will increase in the future as we add tests for coverage. | 09:38 |
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| jlanoux | that's all | 09:39 |
| jordanP | quick feedback is of prime importance in software development | 09:39 |
| gmann | jlanoux: so thats performance testing right | 09:39 |
| gmann | we do via gate job timing. no? | 09:39 |
| jordanP | if tests run in hours, it's a pain in the ass | 09:39 |
| jlanoux | time in gate yes | 09:39 |
| jordanP | people already complained on the ML about this (the neutron folk, the nova folk) | 09:39 |
| jlanoux | there is no other solution | 09:39 |
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| jordanP | we must be super carefully, each additionnal minutes is super super costly, because it's multiplied by 1000 each day | 09:40 |
| jordanP | jlanoux, there is | 09:40 |
| gmann | jordanP: if scenario is like that then it might take time right | 09:40 |
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| gmann | ok so back to v2.20 patch. | 09:41 |
| gmann | So in that v2.20 tests, we need to tests volume attach/detach when server is in shelved or shelved offload state | 09:41 |
| jlanoux | the volume attach shelve is a very good example. it's a long test but its place belong in Tempest, not in the Nova functional test | 09:41 |
| gmann | jordanP: jlanoux i replied on that. please check | 09:41 |
| jlanoux | yes gmann | 09:41 |
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| gmann | so actually if we do write separate tests then shelved tests will always be skipped for offload time >=0 | 09:42 |
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| gmann | so i want a single tests which can tests both state as per configuration | 09:42 |
| jlanoux | actually, I'm fine with having only the shelve iffload | 09:42 |
| gmann | i do not want to have tests on gate which always in skip state | 09:42 |
| jlanoux | *offload | 09:42 |
| gmann | jlanoux: ok | 09:43 |
| gmann | so when offload time is -1 it will tests with shelved state | 09:43 |
| jordanP | what I also dislike in that patch is that we now have a function called "_create_and_attach" that : creates a volume, can shelve a server, and attach a volume | 09:43 |
| jordanP | that a lot for a single server | 09:43 |
| jlanoux | gmann: yes | 09:43 |
| gmann | so i want opinion here in that case should we make server in offload state and tests | 09:43 |
| jordanP | *single function | 09:43 |
| gmann | or in shelved state only | 09:43 |
| jlanoux | jordanP: it's a real use case | 09:43 |
| gmann | scenario tests for shelve are doing the same tests with shelved offload state | 09:44 |
| jlanoux | jordanP: the most worthwile tests for me | 09:44 |
| gmann | jordanP: yea thats what scenario here is we need to tests | 09:44 |
| jlanoux | gmann: yes, however for the volume attach/detach in shelve, the code path is slighty different | 09:44 |
| jlanoux | but I think it's fine | 09:44 |
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| gmann | jordanP: i agree that it will take time but we have to perform all operation to tests 2.20 | 09:45 |
| jordanP | I'd like to have mtreinish or sdague opinion on this | 09:46 |
| gmann | because we do not have separate gate job for those config so we have to go with single tests and let is tests what you cloud is configured for | 09:46 |
| gmann | ok, so i will update that after re thinking on those two states (either always shelved offload or one by one) | 09:47 |
| gmann | and we can get more feedback about scenario there | 09:47 |
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| gmann | thats all on this | 09:48 |
| gmann | anything on Tempest ? | 09:48 |
| gmann | ok, let's move | 09:49 |
| gmann | #topic Austin Summit | 09:49 |
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| gmann | so we have etherpad for austin design sessions | 09:49 |
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| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-qa-summit-topics | 09:50 |
| gmann | please have a look and add your ideas there | 09:50 |
| andreaf | gmann | 09:50 |
| andreaf | gmann: sorry I lost my network, back in now | 09:50 |
| gmann | andreaf: ohk | 09:50 |
| gmann | andreaf: so we talked about this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258391/ | 09:51 |
| gmann | i will update and you can have look | 09:51 |
| gmann | andreaf: and now starting Austin Summit | 09:51 |
| jordanP | guys, I am sorry but I may not be in Austin. Future is uncertain here for me :) | 09:51 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-qa-summit-topics | 09:51 |
| andreaf | gmann: I added one proposal about removing cruft from the code, making more debuggable and easier to contribute to | 09:51 |
| gmann | jordanP: oh why? | 09:51 |
| andreaf | jordanP: :( | 09:52 |
| gmann | andreaf: great, that is very useful and must for tempest :) | 09:52 |
| gmann | jordanP: thats not good news :( | 09:52 |
| jordanP | business w.r.t openstack is not going great here | 09:52 |
| gmann | hummm | 09:52 |
| mkoderer__ | jordanP: :( | 09:52 |
| andreaf | sorry to hear that - I hope you'll be able to come nonetheless | 09:53 |
| gmann | yea | 09:53 |
| jordanP | thanks guys | 09:53 |
| gmann | mkoderer__: you will be there right? | 09:53 |
| mkoderer__ | gmann: yes | 09:54 |
| gmann | jordanP: we thought of having drink party with you as you were missed always :( | 09:54 |
| gmann | mkoderer__: great :) | 09:54 |
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| gmann | ok 5 min left | 09:54 |
| gmann | #topic Critical Reviews | 09:54 |
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| gmann | any critical review? | 09:54 |
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| gmann | ok, i have one not critical, simple one :) - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296939/ | 09:55 |
| andreaf | just the name of the cycle - newton is too similar to neutron - I will mix them up continuously | 09:55 |
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| jordanP | haha, +1 ! | 09:55 |
| gmann | heh | 09:55 |
| gmann | me too | 09:55 |
| andreaf | why Microversion with capital M? | 09:56 |
| gmann | andreaf: actually for consistency i made capital, or we can make all with small m | 09:56 |
| andreaf | well I'm not native english speaker - so probably I should just shut-up :P | 09:57 |
| gmann | not like that :) | 09:57 |
| gmann | ok 3 min, let's jump to open | 09:58 |
| gmann | #topic Open Discussion | 09:58 |
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| gmann | anything else to discuss from anyone | 09:58 |
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| gmann | ok let's close meeting if nothing more | 09:59 |
| gmann | 3... | 09:59 |
| gmann | 2.. | 09:59 |
| gmann | 1. | 09:59 |
| gmann | Thanks all for joining | 09:59 |
| jordanP | good timing :) | 09:59 |
| jlanoux | bye! | 09:59 |
| andreaf | bye | 09:59 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting Nova | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 24 14:00:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova)" | 14:00 | |
| bauzas | tic tac | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
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| alaski | o/ | 14:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 14:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:00 |
| andrearosa | hi | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| rlrossit | o/ | 14:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Release Status | 14:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release Status (Meeting topic: Nova)" | 14:00 | |
| dansmith | ohai | 14:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | hello all | 14:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:01 |
| markus_z | o/ | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we have RC2 proposed here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297006/1 | 14:01 |
| tojuvone | hi | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | planning RC3 to include translations, and other big things we hit on the way | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link http://docs.openstack.org/releases/schedules/mitaka.html | 14:01 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | looking for RC3 week before April 4th I think | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | i.e. next week | 14:02 |
| bauzas | yeah | 14:02 |
| bauzas | sounds reasonable | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=mitaka-rc-potential | 14:02 |
| bauzas | we have one bug in the pipe | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | trying to catch things in there | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | although also the ones that get merged | 14:02 |
| mriedem | this is the current rc3 regression fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296305/ | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:03 |
| mriedem | need danpb / jaypipes to review that | 14:03 |
| thomasem | o/ | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | is for newton-ey things | 14:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, I should created the new milestone to target that one | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more release things? | 14:04 |
| markus_z | there are 5 new bugs in the last 24 hours which aren't looked at yet | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem is doing a great job approving BPs to kick things going again | 14:04 |
| bauzas | markus_z: one of them is, just not triaged :p | 14:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #help if you have a -2 on a patch, ask about getting your blueprint (and spec) approved for Newton, then ping in IRC to get the -2 removed | 14:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | usual things for -2 removal ^ | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: Nova)" | 14:05 | |
| johnthetubaguy | so we got onto bugs there | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | markus_z: the floor is yours | 14:05 |
| markus_z | only the new bugs within the last 2 days | 14:05 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296305/ now. | 14:06 |
| markus_z | I couldn't look at them yet and I don't know if they could affect the release | 14:06 |
| markus_z | rest looks fine. Need volunteers as usual | 14:06 |
| mriedem | i'll look this morning | 14:06 |
| markus_z | mriedem: thanks! | 14:06 |
| markus_z | reminder: Nova bugs team meeting is happening each Tuesday | 14:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, sounds good | 14:06 |
| markus_z | nothing more to say right now | 14:06 |
| sdague | o/ | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: any stable things to raise? | 14:07 |
| mriedem | shite | 14:07 |
| mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1561357 | 14:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1561357 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "VM deployed with availability-zone (force_hosts) cannot be live migrated to an untargeted host" [Undecided,New] | 14:07 |
| mriedem | ^ might be a regression | 14:07 |
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| dansmith | bauzas: ^ | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | that sounds that way, sounds like something bauzas and pkoniszewski were looking at | 14:07 |
| mriedem | i don't have any news for stable, could use some help from other nova-stable-maint cores to go through the stable/liberty stuff that already has a +2 | 14:07 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: so we discussed on that with johnthetubaguy this EU morning | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thats why I remember it, that was before lunch though | 14:08 |
| bauzas | mriedem: I don't think it's really a problem, because if operators force a destination when booting, they also need to force a destination when migrating it | 14:08 |
| sarafraj | o/ | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: we should look if its easy to drop that force on the re-schedule | 14:09 |
| mriedem | bauzas: we can talk in -nova after the meeting | 14:09 |
| mriedem | sounds like a regression though | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | if its terrible then we can skip the backport | 14:09 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: that looks trivial | 14:09 |
| dansmith | I dunno, | 14:09 |
| dansmith | seems like a thing to just document the workaround | 14:09 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I'm not worried by the fix, I'm more worried by the logic | 14:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it does over-ride the users preference, which is kinda what the force host is for | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: we should just add a reno I guess | 14:10 |
| sfinucan | (Sorry I'm late) | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | s/should/could/ | 14:10 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: kinda seems like it yeah | 14:10 |
| bauzas | but like mriedem said, we can discuss that in -nova | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open discussion | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: Nova)" | 14:10 | |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-summit-ideas | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was going to ask about feature classification stuff | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have some help to start populating the matrix out, so hope to get that started | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | to help increase our test coverage, or at least highlight the holes | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264719 | 14:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but not quite sure how to track it | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe a bp? | 14:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | PS, there is nothing more on the agenda now, so feel free to pipe up with questions | 14:12 |
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| markus_z | I would have something? | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: what do you think about the above, just use a blueprint to track it? | 14:13 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: i was going to say i was indifferent, specless bp would be fine, i haven't read the change yet though | 14:13 |
| mriedem | like... | 14:13 |
| bauzas | it's documentation, right? | 14:13 |
| markus_z | specless bp sounds fine I think. | 14:13 |
| mriedem | sdague is redoing the api docs, but i don't think we have a bp for that, and i'm fine without one | 14:13 |
| bauzas | if so, +1 to a specless BP | 14:13 |
| markus_z | just to point to something | 14:14 |
| bauzas | just in case we need a whiteboard | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, its just docs, specless BP seems good, for a pointer | 14:14 |
| mriedem | works for me | 14:14 |
| sdague | mriedem: we will have something to point at once we've baked out the POC, probably blueprint + big etherpad | 14:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, pointers are good, that works | 14:14 |
| mriedem | sdague: ok | 14:14 |
| mriedem | i think markus_z had something | 14:14 |
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| markus_z | I just wanted to shout out the start of the discussion how we handle RFEs from ops | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | RFE? | 14:15 |
| mriedem | i brought that up in the ops meeting yesterday | 14:15 |
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| dansmith | request for enhancement | 14:15 |
| markus_z | Request for Feature Enhancements | 14:15 |
| dansmith | feature requests | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, right | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, thats basically the neutron specless bp process | 14:15 |
| markus_z | yeah, the wishlist bug reports clutter up the bug list | 14:16 |
| mriedem | there were 2 ops guys in the meeting, the ptl said he'd try to stoke up some replies from other ops on the ML | 14:16 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: i think neutron actually uses LP bugs though | 14:16 |
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| mriedem | markus_z is proposing wishlist type / RFE bugs start in the ops ML | 14:16 |
| sdague | right, the neutron RFE process mostly replaces specs | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, gotcha | 14:16 |
| mriedem | #link ops RFE ML thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-March/009942.html | 14:17 |
| markus_z | I'm bringing it up here in the meeting but put it on the Newton summit etherpad too | 14:17 |
| markus_z | It's fine to trigger the discussion but I cannot make a decission without concensus | 14:18 |
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| markus_z | I don't find people for bug triage, not sure how to find people to work on wishlist items | 14:18 |
| mriedem | like i said, raginbajin (ops PTL) was going to try and wrassle up some feedback from the ops people | 14:18 |
| markus_z | long story short, I'll pester you at the summit with that topic :) | 14:18 |
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| mriedem | so i think we sit on this for at least another week or two | 14:19 |
| markus_z | mriedem: yep, that's ok | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | feels like a good thing to discuss in an ops session at the summit | 14:19 |
| mriedem | yeah, raginbajin also suggested that | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | (with a concrete proposal to review) | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 14:19 |
| mriedem | the proposal is pretty concrete in the ML | 14:19 |
| mriedem | at least, as concrete as a new thing should probably e | 14:19 |
| mriedem | *be | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, sorry, I was unclear | 14:20 |
| markus_z | that's all from my side | 14:20 |
| mriedem | unrelated, i was going to point out the newton specs review etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-spec-review-tracking | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 14:21 |
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| mriedem | it's also in the ML | 14:21 |
| tojuvone | I would have the maintenance API thingy as now have some kind of spec. Yes, API meeting was yesterday | 14:21 |
| mriedem | i've mostly been interested in re-approving things from mitaka rather than looking at new specs | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: we did talk about just using the single etherpad, rather than the two last time | 14:21 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: we did? :) the review priorities etherpad gets to be a monster | 14:22 |
| dansmith | I stopped looking at it because it split | 14:22 |
| dansmith | FWIW | 14:22 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we need to keep sub team notes out of that etherpad | 14:22 |
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| mriedem | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-spec-review-tracking started as mostly a way for me to keep track of how many previously approved things we've approved again | 14:22 |
| dansmith | I think there's too much on it | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets just go back to review links | 14:22 |
| dansmith | but I think the split was wrong | 14:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it needs to go on a diet that etherpad | 14:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | to get it useful again | 14:23 |
| dansmith | heh | 14:23 |
| bauzas | ideally, it should be a gerrit dash | 14:23 |
| mriedem | bauzas: http://tinyurl.com/hjhu75e | 14:23 |
| bauzas | how we generate the dash url is the key question | 14:23 |
| dansmith | I don't want a gerrit dash I think | 14:23 |
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| dansmith | unless it's hand-cultivated like the etherpad once was | 14:24 |
| dansmith | it needs to be "top ten or less" for each priority, IMHO | 14:24 |
| bauzas | mriedem: that dash is not saying which changes are prioritary and which not | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I tried to ask for top 3-5, but I would settle for top 10 | 14:24 |
| markus_z | dansmith: "top ten" by which order? | 14:24 |
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| dansmith | markus_z: priority owner order | 14:24 |
| mriedem | bauzas: technically we haven't set priorities for newton | 14:24 |
| bauzas | dansmith: fortunately, we can limit a gerry query, but sure we can keep the etherpad short | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, the subteam's own order | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: its delegated in the etherpad, thats not that easy in a gerrit dashboard | 14:25 |
| bauzas | okay, sounds you got my convinced that I didn't had a great idea :p | 14:25 |
| dansmith | bauzas: but short isn't the only problem | 14:25 |
| bauzas | let's keep the etherpad, but keep it short | 14:25 |
| dansmith | bauzas: if gerrit had a scoring system with priorities, then yes :D | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 | 14:25 |
| mriedem | so we're asking that subteams just lump 3-5 reviews into the newton review priorities etherapad? | 14:26 |
| bauzas | dansmith: what's the other problem with etherpads ? | 14:26 |
| mriedem | and those 3-5 are code and specs? | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, maybe go top 10, and include specs and code? | 14:26 |
| bauzas | except the brevity ? | 14:26 |
| dansmith | mriedem: that's my preference.. ten or less | 14:26 |
| bauzas | are we mentioning gerrit topic queries ? :p | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | if its short, it will hopefully stay useful | 14:26 |
| dansmith | topics are fine | 14:27 |
| dansmith | (with me) | 14:27 |
| bauzas | ie. one topic and 20 changes ? :D | 14:27 |
| bauzas | I do too | 14:27 |
| mriedem | one problem i have with the etherpad of doom | 14:27 |
| mriedem | is the order | 14:27 |
| mriedem | i tend to only focus on the things at the top | 14:27 |
| mriedem | now if you're cells v2, that's great for you | 14:27 |
| dansmith | bauzas: 20 patches in a topic as listed means they're in the order of git priority | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: its normally priorities at the top, other stuff below | 14:27 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: true | 14:27 |
| bauzas | dansmith: yup, agreed | 14:27 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: but that's also how we end up having specs re-proposed for 3 releases | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: hopefully with less patches we get more reviews on your screen ;) | 14:28 |
| dansmith | mriedem: the problem with three etherpads is I focus on none of them :) | 14:28 |
| mriedem | yeah, so i'm fine with a single etherpad to rule them all | 14:28 |
| bauzas | wfm | 14:28 |
| mriedem | i'm fine with keeping each section <10 | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | so seems worth a try | 14:28 |
| mriedem | let's put that in big super f'ing bold header at the top | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 14:29 |
| dansmith | it was at one point It hought | 14:29 |
| cdent | how about each subteam can put two reviews at the top of the page, everything else in sections below? | 14:29 |
| dansmith | for liberty | 14:29 |
| cdent | and if they don't keep that list of two up to date that's their own damn fault | 14:29 |
| mriedem | cdent: there are like 30 subteams | 14:29 |
| cdent | make it one then | 14:29 |
| dansmith | yeah, not a good plan | 14:29 |
| cdent | or get rid of some teams :( | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, priorities at the top, subteams below | 14:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so how about we just delete all the existing stuff | 14:30 |
| cdent | it sounds like none of this actually is addressing the real problem, but if you want to put bandaids on it, it has to devolve the responsibility for attention to the teams | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | if its an active subteam, it will re-appear? | 14:30 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: not a terrible idea | 14:30 |
| cdent | I like that | 14:30 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: you mean periodically delete the subteam section? | 14:30 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: well at least on release boundaries | 14:30 |
| dansmith | ah, sure | 14:30 |
| dansmith | mriedem: you could just rearrange the priorities in the etherpad every few weeks | 14:31 |
| dansmith | if you think it'd help | 14:31 |
| dansmith | like if you feel like one thing is getting neglected, push it to the top | 14:31 |
| mriedem | yeah i might do that at some point | 14:31 |
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| dansmith | to be fair, | 14:31 |
| dansmith | cells has been at the top for like two cycles, | 14:31 |
| dansmith | and it gets very little review | 14:32 |
| dansmith | IMHO | 14:32 |
| mriedem | yes, cells v2 is obviously a prioirty | 14:32 |
| alaski | dansmith: agreed | 14:32 |
| mriedem | right, so this leads into my bigger issue | 14:32 |
| mriedem | and why i started https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-spec-review-tracking | 14:32 |
| dansmith | so I'm not sure how much pagerank matters :D | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: dansmith: yeah, release boundary is the normal thing we do, we could do it at the milestones, but that seems a bit rude | 14:32 |
| mriedem | we have a large backlog of re-approvals | 14:32 |
| dansmith | I thought that's what mriedem meant | 14:32 |
| mriedem | seen at the top of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-spec-review-tracking | 14:32 |
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| mriedem | personally, i would like to freeze spec approvals for new things that are not directly related to priorities for the first milestone | 14:33 |
| mriedem | i know that's not popular probably | 14:33 |
| mriedem | i wanted to go over more of this at the summit, but the problem with that is, it's 4 weeks away still | 14:34 |
| markus_z | mriedem: I think it's valid to give a warning that the next Ocata cycle could handle it that way | 14:34 |
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| cdent | (doing unpopular things)++ | 14:34 |
| mriedem | markus_z: i'm not sure why we couldn't do that now | 14:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: we have a bit backlog of specs that have code, and need reviews, so it seems like a good way of dealing with that I guess | 14:34 |
| mriedem | we have A LOT of carry over from mitaka (and previous releases) | 14:34 |
| edleafe | mriedem: +1 | 14:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we have a heap of stuff from kilo | 14:35 |
| mriedem | i really really want to flush what we have before saying we're going to take on new things | 14:35 |
| mriedem | and then never reviewing them | 14:35 |
| cdent | +1 | 14:35 |
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| cdent | orbital mechanics: slow down to speed up | 14:35 |
| mriedem | this is why i've just been looking at previously approved specs | 14:35 |
| markus_z | mriedem: to be honest, I don't have an overview of the backlog. I thought people could percieve it as on too short notice. | 14:35 |
| mriedem | markus_z: so people are going to complain, for sure, | 14:36 |
| bauzas | from what I understood, is the Ocata cycle planned to be shorter ? | 14:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so the thing is, if we approve their thing, its not likely to merge anyways | 14:36 |
| mriedem | markus_z: but people are going to complain when we approve their spec and never review their code either | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | this is just advance notice, in some ways | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | what mriedem said | 14:36 |
| markus_z | mriedem: true. probably the bigger complain then | 14:36 |
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| mriedem | yeah, i'd like to at least be honest and get a more manageable chunk of stuff to focus on | 14:36 |
| edleafe | markus_z: people complain more about getting bumped cycle after cycle | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | now there might be stuff that semi-priority, we could always see where that lands | 14:37 |
| mriedem | my hope is that with fewer things to focus on as a team, we can chug through more things | 14:37 |
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| markus_z | edleafe: agree | 14:37 |
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| mriedem | and once we start to get a baseline, we can start adding new things in | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | so thats where I think we need to make the etherpad work better | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | limit the work in progress, so we get more done | 14:37 |
| markus_z | mriedem: we should give an onboarding chance to the topics which need to be finished | 14:37 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: agreed | 14:37 |
| mriedem | markus_z: onboarding chance? | 14:38 |
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| mriedem | markus_z: i'm really just talking about the backlog right now | 14:38 |
| mriedem | which means things which need to be finished | 14:38 |
| markus_z | mriedem: yeah, me too | 14:38 |
| mriedem | so, i think there are 2 very easy things to do to get started, | 14:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so maybe we are having violent agreement here? | 14:38 |
| mriedem | 1. clear the review priorities etherpad | 14:38 |
| bauzas | just for a general note, it's not really a review problem, it's rather a commitment problem | 14:39 |
| mriedem | 2. start adding in things (including specs) which are approved, which right now should only be previously approved tihngs | 14:39 |
| bauzas | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/nova-openreviews.html just tells us that patches are mostly waiting for submitters rather than reviewers | 14:39 |
| markus_z | mriedem: The folks which don't get bp approved could spent effort on the approved backlog items. I think they need pointers how to help there. | 14:39 |
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| markus_z | mriedem: not sure if I can make myself clear | 14:39 |
| dansmith | markus_z: that's the theory, but it rarely pans out that way | 14:40 |
| mriedem | markus_z: i see what you're saying | 14:40 |
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| mriedem | yeah | 14:40 |
| mriedem | for example, let's say today we said the only review priority is cells v2 | 14:40 |
| dansmith | mriedem: so what if we just do no spec approvals until summit? this next four weeks is just for flushing the queue | 14:40 |
| markus_z | dansmith: oh, ok, I lack the long time experience here | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: review stuff, and do bug fixes? there quite a lot of stuff, mox, centralize config, etc | 14:40 |
| mriedem | dansmith: i like that | 14:40 |
| dansmith | expecting basically only previously approved priorities to go | 14:40 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: not the whole n1, but just until summit | 14:40 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: that's still a month, so i'm fine with that | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | so that could work | 14:40 |
| dansmith | they were previously approved, so they're clearly important | 14:41 |
| edleafe | sounds reasonable | 14:41 |
| mriedem | markus_z: but yeah, there are always other things to help on | 14:41 |
| dansmith | and we don't approve new things until we decide on new prios | 14:41 |
| mriedem | bugs, cleanup, reviews, etc | 14:41 |
| markus_z | I'm in for that | 14:41 |
| bauzas | dansmith: and we keep non-prio spec freeze ? | 14:41 |
| markus_z | bugs cleanup dashboard: http://45.55.105.55:8082/bugs-dashboard.html | 14:41 |
| mriedem | bauzas: yes | 14:41 |
| mriedem | until summit at least | 14:41 |
| dansmith | bauzas: no new spec approvals | 14:41 |
| mriedem | that gives us a month to see how this goes | 14:41 |
| dansmith | only re-approvals and landing things that were approved already | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I guess we could limit the number of approved low priority blueprints at any time, post summit, etc, but thats for later | 14:42 |
| bauzas | dansmith: that, I understood | 14:42 |
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| bauzas | dansmith: I just wonder if people want to add a new spec post-summit, and we cut those at N1 | 14:42 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: i'd like to wait for after the summit | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info no new spec approvals until the summit, at which point we can come up with a plan for the cycle | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, agreed | 14:42 |
| bauzas | okay | 14:42 |
| dansmith | bauzas: yeah, but you can propose a spec whenever you want | 14:43 |
| mriedem | bauzas: i imagine there will be some wiggle room for that in n-2 | 14:43 |
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| dansmith | bauzas: just don't expect it to get approved | 14:43 |
| mriedem | right, spec proposals is totally fine and encouraged | 14:43 |
| mriedem | dansmith: ++ | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | so there is a downside here, its good to resolve conflict in spec reviews in person at the summit | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I think we should ignore that, we have enough stuff anyways | 14:43 |
| bauzas | dansmith: yeah, okay, I got it | 14:43 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: only 24 hours in each day | 14:43 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: yeah, i think that has to take a backseat | 14:43 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: can't win 'em all | 14:43 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: people can get on hangouts | 14:43 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: you win some you lose some | 14:44 |
| mriedem | plus we will probably have a meetup | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: dansmith: yeah, +1 | 14:44 |
| dansmith | hehe | 14:44 |
| edleafe | there's always the midcycle :) | 14:44 |
| mriedem | i'll post something to the ML on this too | 14:44 |
| dansmith | mriedem: was just going to say.. cool | 14:44 |
| dansmith | are we done here? | 14:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think we are | 14:44 |
| markus_z | +1 | 14:44 |
| mriedem | +1 for being done | 14:45 |
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| dansmith | heh | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 14:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 24 14:45:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-03-24-14.00.html | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-03-24-14.00.txt | 14:45 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: it's british kevlar, so don't expect it to hold up to anything but light insults | 14:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: heh | 14:45 |
| dansmith | mriedem: get some good texas stuff when you're in austin | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | for some reason it has an integrated tea maker, in a hope it will resolve the conflict | 14:46 |
| mriedem | ha | 14:46 |
| mriedem | and a supply of curly wurly?! | 14:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: totally | 14:54 |
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| gordc | #startmeeting #telemetry | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 24 15:02:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| ildikov | o/ | 15:02 |
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| liusheng | o/ | 15:03 |
| ljxiash | o/ | 15:03 |
| nadya | o/ | 15:03 |
| gordc | #endmeeting | 15:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 24 15:03:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_telemetry/2016/_telemetry.2016-03-24-15.02.html | 15:03 |
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| gordc | #startmeeting telemetry | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 24 15:03:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telemetry' | 15:03 |
| gordc | sorry wrong title. | 15:03 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:03 |
| liamji | o/ | 15:04 |
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| gordc | sorry for delay. i forgot | 15:04 |
| gordc | #topic release candidate blockers | 15:04 |
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| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:04 |
| gordc | so i'm going to request one additional release candidate for ceilometer since i mucked up a patch | 15:04 |
| ityaptin | o/ | 15:04 |
| gordc | anyone have any blockers they've found? | 15:05 |
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| gordc | let's say no | 15:06 |
| gordc | that's good. | 15:06 |
| gordc | #topic open discussion | 15:06 |
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| gordc | quick meeting | 15:07 |
| gordc | just a reminder, start thinking about design summit topics | 15:07 |
| gordc | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-telemetry-summit-planning if you need to discuss | 15:07 |
| gordc | and vote for your next ptl (i believe it's still open for a little bit) | 15:08 |
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| gordc | all the best to llu or jd__ going forward | 15:08 |
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| gordc | i'm going to close this very very soon :) | 15:09 |
| gordc | thanks everyone, for everything. have a good holiday (if applicable) | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | thanks ! | 15:10 |
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| liusheng | thanks! | 15:10 |
| gordc | #endmeeting | 15:10 |
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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1407959 in neutron "'Unable to retrieve the agent ip' when using l2population mechnism driver " [Low,Fix released] - Assigned to Hong Hui Xiao (xiaohhui) | 15:15 |
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| dtroyer | #startmeeting openstackclient | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 24 19:01:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstackclient)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:01 |
| dtroyer | anyone here? | 19:02 |
| rtheis | hi | 19:02 |
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| dtroyer | this may be a quick meeting... | 19:04 |
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| singhj | o/ | 19:04 |
| dtroyer | well, lets get started | 19:05 |
| dtroyer | #topic reviews | 19:05 |
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| dtroyer | Reviews to discuss? | 19:05 |
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| rtheis | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290849/9/doc/source/command-objects/port.rst | 19:05 |
| rtheis | dtroyer: question in there for you on using --clear versus --no versus an unset actin | 19:06 |
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| dtroyer | is that in the create command? | 19:06 |
| singhj | dtroyer: set command | 19:07 |
| rtheis | dtroyer: clear would be for set only | 19:07 |
| singhj | dtroyer: specifically ex. port set --clear-security-groups <port> | 19:07 |
| dtroyer | so a port can haz only one security group? | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | nm, I see it | 19:08 |
| singhj | it may have multiple | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | for multiple I think it's easy to stick with the precedent of —clear-XXX | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | unset could do it too though | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | port unset —security-group <name> <port> | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | to clear all would be a pita though | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | should we do both? otherwise to remove just one it's a clear and re-load | 19:10 |
| singhj | well, right now, I've got --clear-xxx working, i'd be convenient to be able to unset | 19:11 |
| singhj | it'd* | 19:11 |
| singhj | I'm fine with either way, rtheis? | 19:11 |
| rtheis | singhj: does the REST API allow unsetting a specific group? | 19:11 |
| rtheis | maybe not, you probably just have to pull it out of the list | 19:12 |
| singhj | it does not, it seems to be all or none. there is one similar command "--extra-dhcp-opts" that is based on individual unsetting | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | it might take a GET, remove from dict, PATCH cycle to do | 19:12 |
| rtheis | yeah | 19:12 |
| singhj | but to achieve that you basically set a property to null | 19:13 |
| singhj | its a bit hacky | 19:13 |
| dtroyer | I would like to see unset support, it need not be in the first cut though. | 19:13 |
| rtheis | I like --clear option and possibly adding unset command support | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | should —clear-NNN be in set or unset? | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | it feels like an unset option to me | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | but I could defend either choice | 19:14 |
| singhj | I can port it over, it's currently in set | 19:14 |
| rtheis | yeah, I could go either way | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | where is it in the route commands? | 19:15 |
| rtheis | set | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | would it be absurd to do both? | 19:15 |
| singhj | where do we have unset working so far? | 19:15 |
| singhj | I havent encountered it | 19:15 |
| rtheis | I think it would be okay to do both | 19:16 |
| rtheis | singhj: no unset for network commands | 19:16 |
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| dtroyer | a lot of places: flavor, server, project, etc | 19:16 |
| rtheis | singhj: but you'll find it used in others | 19:16 |
| dtroyer | ok, maybe not a lot, I count 10 | 19:16 |
| singhj | ah okay, sure | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | usually for removing properties | 19:17 |
| singhj | I'm fine doing it in both places | 19:17 |
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| singhj | when we say both do we mean --clear-* in unset and set | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | lets do that then. it feels just a tiny bit odd, but I can live with it | 19:17 |
| singhj | is that the "both"? | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | yes | 19:17 |
| singhj | sure, sounds good to me | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | so if —clear- and —security-group both appear in set, what should we do? | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | is that the reason to not do clear in the set command? | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | or should it clear first, then set? | 19:18 |
| rtheis | I think that would be mutually exclusive group | 19:18 |
| singhj | well right now they're mutually exclusive | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | ok | 19:18 |
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| dtroyer | that'll work | 19:19 |
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| singhj | okay cool | 19:19 |
| rtheis | thanks | 19:19 |
| dtroyer | any others? | 19:19 |
| rtheis | nothing from me | 19:19 |
| singhj | same | 19:19 |
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| dtroyer | sheel and I were kicking around the volume transfer stuff this morning | 19:20 |
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| dtroyer | unfortunately the implementation in cinder is nothing like how image member/sharing works in glance so we can't take the same approach | 19:20 |
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| dtroyer | I think we can make it better but haven't convinced him yet ;) | 19:21 |
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| rtheis | dtroyer: this review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292043/ ? | 19:21 |
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| dtroyer | yes | 19:22 |
| dtroyer | I think 'volume transfer' is a very confusing resource name…it looks like an action | 19:22 |
| rtheis | agreed | 19:23 |
| dtroyer | but aside from that, the mechanics of the transfer are odd | 19:23 |
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| dtroyer | in a way that doesn't make adding it as options to the existing volume commands easy | 19:23 |
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| dtroyer | so, ideas are welcome | 19:24 |
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| rtheis | I'll put it on my review list | 19:24 |
| dtroyer | also, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297157/ could use a quick look rtheis | 19:24 |
| dtroyer | its part of the release runup | 19:24 |
| rtheis | ok | 19:24 |
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| dtroyer | How about… | 19:25 |
| dtroyer | #topic bugs | 19:25 |
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| dtroyer | I have been doing UX studies with Piet Kruithof, and in 4 sessions found three bugs | 19:25 |
| dtroyer | some may already exist, I haven't checked | 19:26 |
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| dtroyer | any bugs to bring up? | 19:26 |
| rtheis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1560157 | 19:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1560157 in python-openstackclient ""openstack network list" fails with "An SSL error occurred."" [Undecided,New] | 19:26 |
| rtheis | this one caught my eye | 19:26 |
| rtheis | maybe SDK related or interaction between osc and sdk auth | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | that's interesting… yeah, I wonder if any other SDK commands do that? | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | aren't we using the same sesison object either way though? | 19:27 |
| rtheis | I thought so, but will have to check | 19:27 |
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| dtroyer | also, could be how the endpoint is conigured | 19:28 |
| dtroyer | configured | 19:28 |
| dtroyer | we should get some openssl commands to dump the endpopint info together for debugging | 19:28 |
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| dtroyer | #action make some notes for debugging SSL bits to get info from the server-side endpoint | 19:29 |
| rtheis | sounds good | 19:29 |
| rtheis | no other bugs from me | 19:30 |
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| dtroyer | ok, so what else is going on? | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | #topic open discussion | 19:31 |
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| dtroyer | I want to do a release soonish, at least one more before the summit | 19:32 |
| dtroyer | maybe two | 19:32 |
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| rtheis | sound good | 19:32 |
| rtheis | any updates on summit schedule for osc? | 19:33 |
| dtroyer | no schedule for sessions yet | 19:33 |
| rtheis | ok | 19:33 |
| dtroyer | I may be doing an on-stage update in a keynote | 19:33 |
| rtheis | nice | 19:34 |
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| dtroyer | and I think Piet is going to do some UX sessions with operators on Tuesday or Wednesday | 19:34 |
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| dtroyer | we'll get some better info on commands more complidated than creating a server | 19:34 |
| dtroyer | which is bad enough but is also pretty well understood and debugged | 19:35 |
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| dtroyer | ok if there is nothing else, lets be done | 19:36 |
| rtheis | FYI: briancurtin has a sdk resource refactor https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289998/ ... the results of which will eventually impact osc | 19:36 |
| rtheis | this is part of the sdk path to 1.0 | 19:36 |
| dtroyer | I saw a comment along those lines…and was the kind of reason I hoped we could wait until 1.0 | 19:37 |
| dtroyer | can we handle it in a compatible way? | 19:37 |
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| rtheis | yeah...I plan to dig into it further to see if we can handle in a compatible way | 19:37 |
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| briancurtin | the impact should be fairly minimal, mostly only affecting resources that have a child/parent relationship (server and server_interface, for example) | 19:37 |
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| briancurtin | i guess it could also affect you if you’re depending on resource properties that aren’t actually properties on resource classes…as in you’re just taking advantage of the fact that it previously would just send and receive arbitrary data | 19:38 |
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| rtheis | briancurtin: I think the later is what may impact some osc options for network commands | 19:39 |
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| briancurtin | rtheis: i’m going to be tackling some of that while applying the changes to the resources, as i’m doing the changes with the docs open next to the files rather than only doing find/replace…sort of an assisted find/replace | 19:40 |
| rtheis | ok | 19:40 |
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| dtroyer | so I think we're going to need to either be able to straddle this in a single OSC release or do an osc 3.0 when we get those changes | 19:41 |
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| dtroyer | briancurtin: that makes its first appearance in 1.0 right? | 19:41 |
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| briancurtin | dtroyer: i’m not sure i understand the question — asking about the refactored resources and proxies? | 19:42 |
| dtroyer | yes | 19:42 |
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| briancurtin | dtroyer: i haven’t exactly worked out how to release this stuff, but yeah, i think once it’s all in it will be released as 1.0 | 19:43 |
| dtroyer | we've talked about doing a major rev soon, it might make sense to use SDK 1.0 in our OSC 3.0 | 19:43 |
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| dtroyer | ok, anything else? | 19:44 |
| rtheis | nothing else | 19:44 |
| dtroyer | ok, thanks guys | 19:45 |
| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 19:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 24 19:45:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-03-24-19.01.html | 19:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-03-24-19.01.txt | 19:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-03-24-19.01.log.html | 19:45 |
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| HenryG | armax? | 22:00 |
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| armax | hello | 22:00 |
| armax | a sec | 22:00 |
| amuller | hiya | 22:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi | 22:00 |
| armax | I was having fun triaging https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1561695 | 22:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1561695 in neutron "neutron-dhcp-agent generates thousands of interfaces on a failure" [Low,Confirmed] | 22:01 |
| ihrachys_ | o/ | 22:01 |
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| armax | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 24 22:01:56 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:02 |
| njohnsto_ | o/ | 22:03 |
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| armax | we have a few sticky triaged RFE bugs we’re gonna have to talk about again | 22:04 |
| armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe | 22:04 |
| armax | but we have a few new entries | 22:04 |
| armax | too | 22:04 |
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| armax | bug 1453667 | 22:05 |
| openstack | bug 1453667 in neutron "[RFE] Update existing ports when changing --port_security_enabled=False in network" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1453667 | 22:05 |
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| armax | is actually relatively old | 22:05 |
| armax | and I spotted yesterday during one of my scrubs | 22:05 |
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| armax | this issue has actually been reported a few times already | 22:06 |
| armax | people expect that flipping the security flag on the network propagates to the ports, but it currently doesn't | 22:06 |
| armax | doing so has clear performance implications | 22:07 |
| ihrachys_ | armax: I would say, security implications are more important in this context | 22:07 |
| amuller | do we currently allow updating port security on a port? does it do the right thing and notify the L2 agents? | 22:07 |
| armax | ihrachys_: they would be expected though | 22:07 |
| ihrachys_ | armax: for performance, it may be ok (actually, for qos we do apply policy changes to all ports in a network) | 22:08 |
| armax | amuller: I believe it does | 22:08 |
| amuller | ok | 22:08 |
| amuller | armax: what performance issue did you have in mind? | 22:08 |
| armax | ihrachys_: I was going to confirm with you about this | 22:08 |
| armax | you’d have to update policies on all ports in a network in one go | 22:09 |
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| armax | ports may be spread out over many hosts | 22:09 |
| armax | the flipping may cause a storm | 22:09 |
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| amuller | isn't that like adding a security group rule? | 22:10 |
| armax | besides the other issue is dealing with partial updates | 22:10 |
| armax | amuller: yes it is | 22:10 |
| armax | and that’s bad enough already :) | 22:10 |
| * amuller shrugs | 22:10 | |
| ihrachys_ | I don't think we should focus discussion on performance implications but more on api consistency. | 22:11 |
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| ihrachys_ | though for port security 'security' aspect should also be taken in account | 22:11 |
| ihrachys_ | I would say, if that would be a new feature we plan to implement, I would go with port updates on network attr update | 22:11 |
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| armax | ihrachys_: besides qos and port security do we have other examples of such properties? | 22:12 |
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| ihrachys_ | but since we are already shipping the extension with a slightly different behaviour, it would be quite unsafe to change that | 22:12 |
| armax | that apply to both parent and child resource? | 22:12 |
| armax | I don’t recall on the top of my head | 22:12 |
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| ihrachys_ | neither me | 22:12 |
| armax | perhaps if the flag had been called ‘default_port_security' | 22:13 |
| armax | the confusion for the user wouldn’t be so bad | 22:13 |
| armax | I mean default_port_security on the network | 22:14 |
| armax | and port_security on the port | 22:14 |
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| armax | the existing behavior would have been more easily expected | 22:15 |
| armax | anyhow | 22:16 |
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| ihrachys_ | do we really want to consider changing behaviour for the feature? however silly or inconsistent it may be, it's already there. | 22:16 |
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| armax | assumed that we can’t really change behavior without a new extension we’d have to mark this as wontfix I suppose? | 22:16 |
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| * carl_baldwin just typed a message but doesn't see it in the history | 22:16 | |
| armax | carl_baldwin: yup, haven’t seen it | 22:17 |
| ihrachys_ | I guess so. maybe docs could be updated to make the behaviour more clearly defined. | 22:17 |
| carl_baldwin | Is there a compelling use case for turning on/off port security for all existing ports? (regardless of what it is called) | 22:17 |
| armax | ihrachys_: yes, documentation would help manage expectations | 22:17 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: I can’t think of any | 22:17 |
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| armax | carl_baldwin: besides the convinience | 22:18 |
| ihrachys_ | well, if there was no such case, network resource would not have that attr in the first place | 22:18 |
| armax | but if we try to minimize the amount of orchestration we do internally | 22:18 |
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| carl_baldwin | But, if there is no use case, what the convenience be for? | 22:18 |
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| jhesketh | Morning | 22:19 |
| carl_baldwin | I tend to think that this is more about managing expectations too. | 22:19 |
| * ihrachys_ notes that we may time box this discussion | 22:19 | |
| armax | ihrachys_: the attr on the network is ‘the default security policy to be applied on port creation' | 22:19 |
| armax | ihrachys_: agreed….let’s mark it wontfix for now | 22:20 |
| armax | moving on | 22:20 |
| ihrachys_ | armax: yeah, but if you set it to False, you probably mean that most (or all) ports there will not have fw | 22:20 |
| carl_baldwin | ++ | 22:20 |
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| armax | bug 1507499 | 22:20 |
| openstack | bug 1507499 in neutron "[RFE] Centralized Management System for testing the environment" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1507499 | 22:20 |
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| dougwig | didn't we punt this one? | 22:20 |
| armax | this is a catch-all of the bugs filed against improving visibility into neutron | 22:20 |
| armax | dougwig: we punted it to the mid-cycle | 22:21 |
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| armax | as well as troubleshooting | 22:22 |
| amuller | Hynek and I have a proposal for neutron diagnostics | 22:22 |
| Sukhdev | .me lurks around | 22:22 |
| amuller | there's lots of interesting details such as client side vs api | 22:22 |
| amuller | in-tree or out of tree | 22:22 |
| armax | I would initially like to tackle the visibility part | 22:22 |
| armax | the proposal is too tied to agents | 22:23 |
| armax | unless I misunderstood | 22:24 |
| armax | I’d rather come up with a good abstract representation of any failure state in which a resource might be first | 22:24 |
| armax | only to delve later into implementation detauls | 22:24 |
| armax | details | 22:24 |
| amuller | do we want a design session for this? | 22:25 |
| amuller | at the summit? | 22:25 |
| amuller | or we do we want to file a spec? | 22:25 |
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| armax | amuller: we could potentially have a fist fight at the summit sure | 22:25 |
| armax | er, session | 22:25 |
| amuller | heh | 22:25 |
| armax | we can only punt this topic so many times :) | 22:26 |
| amuller | well, Newton just opened | 22:26 |
| amuller | do you want to punt it to O? =D | 22:27 |
| armax | Z | 22:27 |
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| amuller | who cares why networking doesn't work, right? | 22:27 |
| * carl_baldwin notes that is just punting it once | 22:27 | |
| amuller | New features are cool, but I think we should be focused on making neutron more usable | 22:27 |
| armax | before having this discussed at the summit though I’d like to get to a degree on consensus amongst ourselves | 22:28 |
| Sukhdev | Perhaps you want to break the problem into smaller pieces so that we can implement in a phases | 22:28 |
| armax | as of now no-one seems to agree or disagree with me | 22:28 |
| armax | Sukhdev: that’s what I am trying to do by suggesting to focus on the modeling of the visibility part | 22:29 |
| Sukhdev | In that case, we are in agreement - | 22:29 |
| armax | ok, let me refresh the content of the bug report and we’ll talk again next time, I guess | 22:30 |
| armax | bug 1527671 | 22:30 |
| openstack | bug 1527671 in neutron "[RFE]Neutron QoS Priority Queuing rule" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1527671 | 22:30 |
| armax | from latest notes by ajo I gather this will be deferred until we solidying the current dscp approach | 22:31 |
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| armax | ihrachys: am I off here? | 22:31 |
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| ihrachys | armax: haven't we just solidified dscp by landing it in N? | 22:31 |
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| ihrachys | that said, classifier is mentioned there. I may miss something on that one. | 22:32 |
| armax | ihrachys: it has just landed, do you think it’s already rock solid? | 22:32 |
| armax | ihrachys: if so, I am impressed | 22:32 |
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| ihrachys | armax: of course! everything we land is rock solid right? :) | 22:32 |
| armax | riiight | 22:32 |
| ihrachys | unless it's not | 22:32 |
| armax | silly me | 22:33 |
| ihrachys | I don't see how the RFE is BOUND to classifier | 22:33 |
| armax | that said, the submitted promised to get back to the rfe but he didn’t | 22:33 |
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| armax | so let’s give him a chance to revisit its proosal | 22:34 |
| ihrachys | but maybe it's a matter of priorities, and ajo wants the team to step back and see about foundation | 22:34 |
| armax | proposal | 22:34 |
| ihrachys | *think | 22:34 |
| armax | ihrachys: do you guys have a general plan for N? | 22:34 |
| armax | ihrachys: as far as QoS is concerned? | 22:34 |
| ihrachys | I would probably ask qos team to provide reasoning behind pushing back the proposal until classifier thing is implemented. if it's priorities set by the group, it's ok. | 22:35 |
| ihrachys | armax: I am 'merely' helping ajo, I don't set strategy for the team | 22:35 |
| armax | ihrachys: ok | 22:36 |
| armax | bug 1540512 | 22:36 |
| openstack | bug 1540512 in neutron "[RFE] Host Aware IPAM" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1540512 | 22:36 |
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| armax | carl_baldwin: I am assuming you’d need this in some form or another | 22:36 |
| carl_baldwin | I need to review the comments since I last looked at this. | 22:37 |
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| carl_baldwin | I need to relate it to segment-aware IPAM which we're already working on as part of routed networks. | 22:37 |
| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will review https://launchpad.net/bugs/1540512 | 22:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1540512 in neutron "[RFE] Host Aware IPAM" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:38 |
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| carl_baldwin | That's about all I can do this week. | 22:38 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: do you think it’s justified to track this with a separatte bug? | 22:38 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: tomorrow is FridaY! | 22:39 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: yes, I think so. | 22:39 |
| armax | :) | 22:39 |
| carl_baldwin | But, it isn't isn't holding up routed networks. | 22:39 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: agreed | 22:39 |
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| armax | carl_baldwin: I only wonder if the two can be orthogonal and thus handled separately | 22:41 |
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| armax | in which case this may have its merits to proceed on its own | 22:41 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: Could be. I'll look for that. | 22:42 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: that said I am not sure how much implementation can follow, but that’s a different matter | 22:42 |
| armax | let’s move on | 22:42 |
| carl_baldwin | ok | 22:42 |
| armax | bug 1544676 | 22:42 |
| openstack | bug 1544676 in neutron "[RFE] Support for multiple L2 agents on a host" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1544676 - Assigned to Narender (narender-soorineeda) | 22:42 |
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| armax | my opinion on this hasn’t changed | 22:43 |
| ihrachys | hm. can't we already run sriov + ovs on the same node? | 22:43 |
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| armax | ihrachys: yes, but this is slightly different | 22:44 |
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| armax | unless I hear an uproar I am gonna kill this | 22:46 |
| armax | moving on | 22:46 |
| armax | bug 1544768 | 22:46 |
| openstack | bug 1544768 in neutron "[RFE] Differentiate between service and floating subnets" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1544768 - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 22:46 |
| ihrachys | thumb down | 22:46 |
| armax | ihrachys: thumb down as you agree or disagree with me? | 22:46 |
| amuller_ | armax: I agree with killing it | 22:46 |
| ihrachys | armax: agreed with killing | 22:47 |
| armax | oh, I was hoping in a fist fight | 22:47 |
| armax | too bad | 22:47 |
| * ihrachys feels violent | 22:47 | |
| armax | anyhoo | 22:47 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: I see you ask for a spec. | 22:47 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: I'll ping haleyb about doing this. | 22:47 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: I think that would help getting more eyes on it | 22:48 |
| carl_baldwin | aye aye | 22:49 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: the objective is clear to me and I agree that it would be desirable to be able to distinguish between the various ip spaces associated to an external network | 22:49 |
| armax | we’d have to agree on the naming and meaning | 22:49 |
| armax | that’s why the spec is useful | 22:49 |
| armax | so I am OK with this, if we have quorum | 22:49 |
| amuller_ | carl_baldwin: is this relevant for non-DVR routers? | 22:49 |
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| armax | ihrachys, amuller_ fist fight? | 22:49 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller_: Not at first. | 22:49 |
| armax | dougwig, Sukhdev anyone else? | 22:49 |
| armax | oh | 22:49 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller_: Well, ya, it is. | 22:50 |
| amuller_ | carl_baldwin: ok, for DVR, would this be useful without routed networks or address scopes? | 22:50 |
| carl_baldwin | It will allow any router to use a private IP as its gateway IP. | 22:50 |
| amuller_ | I'm trying to understand if this RFE is useful on its own or does it have dependencies | 22:50 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller_: Yes, it will be useful without anything else. | 22:50 |
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| armax | amuller_: you’d need the l3 agent to use it | 22:50 |
| amuller_ | carl_baldwin: this would essentially disable SNAT or what am I missing? | 22:50 |
| amuller_ | (using a private IP on the 'qg' device) | 22:51 |
| armax | carl_baldwin, amuller_ it won’t be useful on its own | 22:51 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller_: It essentially uses private IPs for routers where public IPs are not needed. | 22:51 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: why? | 22:51 |
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| armax | I mean I see two pieces of work | 22:51 |
| armax | one which is to model the service subnets | 22:51 |
| amuller_ | armax: let's assume we implement both the server and agent part for this RFE | 22:51 |
| armax | the other is using them to change the l3 logic | 22:51 |
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| amuller_ | carl_baldwin: if I use a private IP on my router's external device, can it still do SNAT somehow? | 22:52 |
| armax | amuller_: right, then I see no other depedency | 22:52 |
| carl_baldwin | I thought they went together. Which one are we talking about then? Just the modeling? | 22:52 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller_: Several operators have requested doing this so they can use another NAT device. | 22:52 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: the bug description seems to focus on the modeling only | 22:53 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: but I understand that you’d want to use it too | 22:53 |
| amuller_ | carl_baldwin: so the neutron router would route to its own gateway (without SNAT or any form of NAT, unless the source IP has a floating IP attached), then that gateway would be configured to NAT? | 22:53 |
| amuller_ | carl_baldwin: isn't that what the enable_snat flag does? | 22:53 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: I figured you would but we can elaborate. | 22:53 |
| armax | and change the existing allocation policy for dvr gateway ports | 22:53 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller_: no. The Neutron router still has to NAT. | 22:54 |
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| carl_baldwin | Well, may have to NAT. | 22:54 |
| amuller_ | I need a diagram or something | 22:54 |
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| amuller_ | or a whiteboard :) | 22:55 |
| carl_baldwin | In general, though, it would have to NAT. Because how could the operator know what addresses the tenant is using on the private network? | 22:55 |
| armax | amuller_: or a spec! | 22:55 |
| amuller_ | I guess so | 22:55 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller_: How about this. We write spec. ;) | 22:55 |
| armax | if we agree that this has legs then let’s approve it and we’ll get the discussion on the spec | 22:55 |
| armax | 5 more minutes and I have back to back meetings :) | 22:55 |
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| carl_baldwin | + | 22:56 |
| carl_baldwin | ++ | 22:56 |
| armax | bug 1560003 | 22:56 |
| openstack | bug 1560003 in neutron "[RFE] Creating a new stadium project for BGP Dynamic Routing effort" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1560003 | 22:56 |
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| armax | technically speaking I am not sure why we’d need an RFE for this | 22:56 |
| ihrachys | I doubt anyone is in disagreement with ^ | 22:56 |
| ihrachys | and yes, why RFE | 22:56 |
| armax | ihrachys: right | 22:56 |
| amuller_ | carl_baldwin: do you want to punt BGP out? | 22:56 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: I actually wondered that same thing when I moved it to Triaged. | 22:56 |
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| ihrachys | on relevant note, should we spin off others? like qos? :) | 22:56 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller_: More like BGP may want to be punted out. | 22:56 |
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| armax | let’s punt all the things out | 22:57 |
| amuller_ | carl_baldwin: they're unhappy with review velocity or what's the deal? | 22:57 |
| armax | I only wonder whether we should have a huge bikeshed session on the name of the repo | 22:57 |
| * carl_baldwin shrugs | 22:57 | |
| amuller_ | I'm just interested in their reasoning | 22:57 |
| armax | amuller_: it’s more elaborated than that…there’s lots of history on this, I can fill you in | 22:57 |
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| amuller_ | armax: alright | 22:58 |
| armax | that said, we’d need to chose a cunning name for the repo | 22:58 |
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| ihrachys | finally something to fight for | 22:58 |
| armax | though I agree in limiting the scope | 22:58 |
| armax | neutron-bgp may be too limiting | 22:58 |
| ihrachys | and boring | 22:58 |
| armax | pick your brushes and paint bug 1560003 | 22:59 |
| openstack | bug 1560003 in neutron "[RFE] Creating a new stadium project for BGP Dynamic Routing effort" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1560003 | 22:59 |
| armax | but ultimately the agreement is that we’d spin out the current BGP code we have in the neutron tree | 22:59 |
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| armax | and maybe more | 22:59 |
| armax | #endmeeeting | 23:00 |
| ihrachys | armax: typo | 23:00 |
| armax | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 24 23:00:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-03-24-22.01.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-03-24-22.01.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-03-24-22.01.log.html | 23:00 |
| ihrachys | adieu | 23:00 |
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| amuller | tata | 23:00 |
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| armax | ihrachys: adieu is salv-orl_ trademark | 23:01 |
| armax | ihrachys: you can’t use it | 23:01 |
| ihrachys | damn | 23:01 |
| salv-orl_ | I have opensourced it | 23:01 |
| armax | salv-orl_: ah ok, we’re good then | 23:01 |
| armax | adieu | 23:01 |
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