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yamamotohi06:59
yamamoto#startmeeting networking_midonet07:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 22 07:00:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is yamamoto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.07:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.07:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)"07:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking_midonet'07:00
yamamoto#topic Agenda07:00
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yamamoto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NetworkingMidoNet07:00
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yamamoto#topic Announcements07:01
*** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)"07:01
yamamotono announcements from me07:01
yamamoto#topic Bugs07:01
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yamamoto#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-midonet/07:01
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yamamotowe have a few critical bugs07:01
yamamotoall of them have proposed fixes.07:02
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yamamotoi'll continue bug deputy07:02
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yamamoto#topic Open Discussion07:03
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yamamotonothing from me07:03
* yamamoto waiting for a few minutes to close the meeting07:03
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yamamotobye!07:10
yamamoto#endmeeting07:10
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"07:10
openstackMeeting ended Tue Mar 22 07:10:41 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)07:10
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2016/networking_midonet.2016-03-22-07.00.html07:10
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anteaya#startmeeting third-party08:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 22 08:01:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'third_party'08:01
anteayahello08:01
lennybhi08:01
anteayahey lennyb08:02
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anteayahow are you today?08:02
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lennybfine, thank you. how are you ?08:02
anteayagood thanks08:02
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anteayahave you anything you would like to discuss today?08:03
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lennybwe are in the final stages of introducing new project #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295260/ . We are following the guide #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html  .08:04
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anteayaokay08:04
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lennybI guess everything is there :).08:04
anteayadoes this have anything to do with third party ci?08:04
anteayathank you for following the guide08:05
lennybThis is a project of third party and we will have CI for it.08:05
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anteayabut it is specific to mellenox, yes?08:05
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lennybyes. specific to Mellanox.08:06
anteayanot a third party tool like ci watch or something?08:06
anteayaokay08:06
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anteayawell thanks for following the creator's guide08:06
lennybI have nothing else, so I wont keep you here.08:06
anteayano worries08:06
anteayadid you have any issues following the creator's guide08:06
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lennybI will check with the developer who works on it08:07
anteayaoh08:07
anteayaI had thought you were offering it because it was your work08:07
anteayaI was making conversation08:08
anteayait isn't an important question08:08
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lennybin this case 'offering' was a part of my job :)08:09
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anteayaoh :(08:09
anteayaanything else you would like to discuss?08:09
lennybno, thank you.08:09
anteayaokay thanks lennyb08:10
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anteayaany objection to me closing the meeting?08:10
lennybno. see you next week08:10
anteayathanks08:11
anteayasee you next week08:11
anteayathanks for being here lennyb :)08:11
anteaya#endmeeting08:11
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Qiming#startmeeting senlin13:03
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 22 13:03:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:03
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Qiminghello13:03
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lixinhuihi13:03
yanyanhu_o/13:03
elynnHi13:03
haiwei_hi13:03
cschulzHi13:03
Qimingsorry for being late, trapped in some microversion patches13:03
Qimingpls review agenda and see if you have things to add13:03
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Qiming#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda13:04
Qimingfirst thing I'd like to bring up is about summit prep13:04
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Qimingfor the deep dive session, we'll need a high-level structure so every presenter can start prepare his/her own section13:05
Qimingelynn brought up this last week?13:06
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elynnthis week :)13:06
Qimingokay, :)13:06
chenying__Hi13:06
Qimingchenying__,  wlc13:06
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Qimingso my suggestion is like this: elynn to start with why we started senlin13:07
Qimingbased on our understanding of the requirement, the discussions with Heat team etc13:07
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Qimingthen I follow with an intro to the senlin architecture and some design decisions13:08
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Qimingyanyan can close the session with some status update, roadmap and pointers, examples etc13:09
yanyanhu_ok13:09
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elynngreat!13:09
Qimingokay, next, the autoscaling one13:09
yanyanhu_will start the paper work in coming week :)13:09
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Qimingmark will start talking about auto-scaling requirements13:10
Qimingand I can follow with a generic intro of senlin13:10
Qimingthen xinhui can close this with a real deployment example and lessons learnt13:10
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lixinhuiokay13:11
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Qiminglixinhui, is the other presenter 'mark'?13:11
Qimingjust some rough ideas13:11
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lixinhuiI think it would be good13:11
Qimingany comments are welcomed13:11
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cschulzWe need to start seeding the autoscaling discussions with topics beyond the basic Reactive autoscaling13:12
lixinhuiwill involve you to dicuss with Mark13:12
cschulzPredictive autoscaling13:12
Qimingokay, great, cschulz, will incorporate those13:12
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cschulzAlso the requirement to bring things like Business Process Management into the scaling decisions.13:12
Qimingand in some cases, semi-auto-scaling13:13
cschulzYes13:13
cschulzthat is one way to look at it.13:13
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cschulzThe scaling driven by events from outside the Cloud13:13
Qimingcschulz, we can dive into that requirement later, when the newton development cycle is open13:14
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Qimingyes, that is why we decided to provide 'receiver' instead of 'trigger' abstraction13:14
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Qimingin real deployments, people have various monitoring/alerting solutions to hook into the scaling workflow13:15
cschulzHas the receiver security issue been solved?13:15
cschulzDOS ...13:15
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Qimingcschulz, not yet13:15
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Qimingwe will need to explore other flavors of receivers, beyond the basic webhook one13:16
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Qimingone promising alternative is to bring zaqar into the picture, so the triggering end doesn't have to know where the receiving end resides13:17
Qiminganother related topic is to add a rate-limit middleware in front of senlin-api13:17
cschulzI will look into zaqar.  That is new to me.13:17
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Qimingit is basically the openstack version of AWS SQS13:18
Qiminglast one is about containers, I saw haiwei has submitted a new patchset on that spec13:18
QimingI haven't got time to review it13:18
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haiwei_almost the same with what we discussed last week13:19
Qimingstill evaluating whether senlin + ansible is a good solution for users to create/manage containers13:19
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haiwei_have no idea how to introduce ansible to container cluster13:20
QimingI've been learning myself some ansible basics, so far, it is pretty useful13:20
Qiminghaiwei_, it would be something like this:13:20
Qimingsenlin cluster-create => a vm cluster, with list of IPs13:21
Qimingansible -i <cluster ip list> -m <ansible_module>13:21
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Qimingyou can ssh into those VMs in batch and perform operations to do container environment preparation and even operate them13:22
haiwei_the ansible command should be typed by hand by users?13:22
Qiminggood question13:22
Qimingfor operators, it is not a difficult task13:23
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Qimingfor end users, we can invoke ansible by calling its API from inside senlin, do whatever necessary jobs on those VMs created13:23
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haiwei_that means we still need to create a scheduler and something else?13:24
yanyanhu_maybe we should allow this ansible deployment triggered by some events13:24
QimingI have tried writing some playbooks (ansible term) for this kind of a task, it is pretty neat13:24
yanyanhu_just like other actions13:25
Qimingmaybe a custom action13:25
yanyanhu_yes13:25
Qimingjust a wrapper of ansible13:25
Qimingpreviously, I tried paramiko, the underlying module used by ansible13:26
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Qimingit works as well13:26
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Qimingbut 'it works' <> 'it is an elegant design'13:26
yanyanhu_do we need to provide high level abstraction for deployment and support ansible as one of the deployment type?13:26
Qiminghaiwei_, we can have a phone call tomorrow?13:26
Qimingyanyanhu_, that is a good idea13:27
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haiwei_I am ok tomorrow afternoon13:27
yanyanhu_maybe, as the default type13:27
Qimingthe high level abstraction maybe just a container image13:27
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Qimingby default it would be a docker image, for example13:28
yanyanhu_exactly13:28
Qimingokay, this is something we need to dive into in this week13:29
Qiming#topic newton work items13:29
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haiwei_what 14:00~1500 beijing time13:29
haiwei_for the phone meeting?13:29
Qimingjust moved etherpad items here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-newton-workitems13:29
Qiminghaiwei_, fine with me13:30
haiwei_yanyanhu_ ?13:30
yanyanhu_I'm fine with it13:30
haiwei_anyone interested in this can join13:30
lixinhuiI will dial in13:31
elynno/13:31
Qimingokay, I'll send an invitation to you all13:31
Qiminglast Friday, we have cut the RC1 branch13:32
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Qimingnow we have a stable/mitaka branch on git13:32
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lixinhuicool!13:32
Qimingthat branch is meant to be the base for the coming stable release13:32
zzxwillI saw the release tag in senlin branch.13:32
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Qimingif you have found any critical bugs, please bring it up asap13:33
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Qimingback to newton work items13:33
Qimingtempest tests are coming in13:34
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yanyanhu_saw elynn's patch13:34
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elynnI create a BP for it.13:34
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elynnAnd start to look into it13:35
Qimingmaybe we should retarget the test cases about failure scenarios and stress tests on it?13:35
yanyanhu_yes, I think so13:35
Qimingthanks, elynn, that would be very important a QA infra13:35
yanyanhu_those tests should be included in tempest test framework13:36
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elynnoh...seems I need to speed up to not let you blame me ;)13:36
Qimingyanyanhu_ will blame you13:36
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yanyanhu_sorry. really trapped by some other works in recent weeks13:37
yanyanhu_yes...13:37
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Qimingjust kidding13:37
elynnAfter I rebuild my env, I will start to migrate exist tests on tempest framework.13:37
yanyanhu_will investigate rally ASAP to decide how we should support stress test13:37
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Qimingwe need such an infra to enable more thorough tests13:37
Qimingcool, yanyanhu_13:38
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yanyanhu_Qiming, no problem, really my fault :(13:38
Qimingoh .... no one's fault13:38
Qimingwe are all heroes, ;)13:38
Qiminghealth management side13:39
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Qimingwhere are we about lb based health detection?13:39
Qiminglixinhui, asleep?13:40
lixinhuiI just13:40
lixinhuiadded lb-node-polling13:40
lixinhuiinto the prototype13:40
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lixinhuiunderlying, it will rely on neutron13:40
yanyanhu_lixinhui, so you're using haproxy as the service provider now?13:40
lixinhuiayes13:40
lixinhuiyes13:40
yanyanhu_ok, at least it works13:41
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lixinhuiI am thinking13:41
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lixinhuiabout the demo13:41
lixinhuiactaully the protoytpe13:41
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lixinhuimaybe we could attach the health_polling policy onto lb cluster13:42
lixinhuithen simulate member failure13:42
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lixinhuithen watch the auto-healing of the failed member13:42
Qimingyes?13:42
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lixinhuiby list the member of pool and senlin cluster node status before and after auto-healing13:43
QimingI believe there are many details to be figured out?13:43
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lixinhuiyes13:43
Qimingright, a cluster with scaling policy, health policy and lb policy13:43
Qiminglet's see how they dance/fight together13:44
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lixinhuiyes13:44
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lixinhuiXujun13:44
yanyanhu_you mean the auto healing will be triggered by simulated failure which is actually not a failure detected by lb monitoring13:44
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lixinhuione intern is trying to write the heat template13:44
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lixinhuiincluding everything into a template13:44
lixinhuiyanyanhu_13:45
lixinhuiI add lb member status polling logic13:45
lixinhuifor this demo13:45
lixinhuisuppose the status of member should be changed bu health monitor13:45
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yanyanhu_ah, I see13:46
Qiminglixinhui, please help bring xujun into the IRC channel, so when he has got questions, he know where to seek help13:46
lixinhuisure13:46
lixinhuione problem in my mind13:46
Qimingwe don't have octavia in the picture now?13:46
lixinhuino13:46
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lixinhuinow13:46
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Qiminggreat13:47
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lixinhuiI am deply nsx based lbaas13:47
lixinhuito see any problems there and ask mark to help if does13:47
Qimingcool13:47
Qimingfor the quick demo, we can focus on haproxy, but it would be great if someone helps on validating it using nsx13:48
lixinhuiyes13:48
haiwei_what is nsx?13:48
lixinhuihope it would add cents to senlin markting13:48
lixinhuiNSX is vmware neutron engine13:49
yanyanhu_hardware loadbalancer from citrix?13:49
lixinhuialmost all custmoers bought its license13:49
yanyanhu_oh13:49
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cschulzHW loadbalancer?13:49
lixinhuiSDDN13:49
yanyanhu_sorry, I was wrong :)13:49
lixinhuipure13:50
lixinhuisoftware13:50
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cschulzMakes sense13:50
lixinhuione problem in my mind13:50
lixinhuibut maybe not import for this demo13:50
lixinhuiis how to differenciate the normal node stop and abmorl down13:50
Qimingmy guess it is a question, not a problem, :P13:51
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lixinhuiyes :)13:51
cschulzMaintenance mode?13:51
Qimingexactly13:51
lixinhuiyes13:51
Qimingthe HA prolicy has to be put on hold in some scenarios13:51
cschulzOr at least for a subset of the cluster13:51
yanyanhu_disable the HA policy temporarily?13:51
Qimingthat is why we have cluster-policy binding and there is a 'enabled' field there13:52
Qimingif it is always effective, you won't be able to do a thing to your cluster, :)13:52
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lixinhuiok13:52
lixinhuiwhen to disable it13:52
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cschulzSo should we add a 'semi-auto scaling' topic to Newton?13:53
lixinhui:)13:53
Qimingsure, cschulz13:53
cschulzOK will add some stuff13:53
Qiminglixinhui, sounds to me more like an interaction between policy and action again13:54
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lixinhuiyes, Qiming13:54
lixinhuithis will be more complex13:54
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Qimingbefore some actions are performed, we will have to disable ha, after that action is done, we renable it13:54
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lixinhuiwill think more about it13:55
yanyanhu_yes, maybe we should throw some warning to user when they perform 'maintainance operations' with HA policy enabled13:55
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lixinhui:)13:56
Qimingokay, that's something deserve a whole hour for discussion13:56
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Qiminglet's continue this on senlin tomorrow13:56
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lixinhuiokay13:56
Qiminglast update from me13:56
Qimingpolicy docs are almost all out there13:56
Qimingjust started working on micro-versioning support for senlin-api13:57
Qimingbefore the versioning thing has landed, we won't accept any changes to senlin-api13:57
Qiming#topic open discussion13:57
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Qiming2 minutes13:58
yanyanhu_no more topics from me13:58
lixinhuino from me13:58
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cschulzWe've run into Action suspend not working.  Has that ever been tested?13:58
haiwei_ok for me13:58
Qimingcschulz, that .... is not thoroughly tested13:58
yanyanhu_cschulz, it is not supported I think13:59
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yanyanhu_really haven't test it yet...13:59
Qimingthere are some db level support13:59
cschulzOK,  That's OK since we will be following a different approach13:59
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Qimingbut the whole thing is half-baked13:59
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Qimingthanks for joining, guys, have a good night/nice day13:59
lixinhuiu214:00
Qiming#endmeeting14:00
yanyanhu_thanks14:00
cschulzBye14:00
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gampel#startmeeting Smaug14:01
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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gampelHi everyone14:01
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gampelwho is here ?14:01
xiangxinyongHi14:01
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yuvalHi14:01
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saggihi14:02
gampel#info xiangxinyong, yuval, saggi in the meeting14:02
gampelanyone else14:02
gampellet wait a bit14:02
chenying__hi14:02
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gampel#info chenying__ in the meeting14:03
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gampelhi how are you welcome back14:03
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chenying__fine thanks.14:03
zhonghua-leeHi14:03
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zhonghua-leesorry I'm late14:03
yinweimachi, guys14:03
gampel#info yinweimac in the meeting14:04
gampelwelcome14:04
gampelshell we wait a bit more or lets start ?14:04
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gampelOk lets start ?14:05
gampel#topic Announcements14:05
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gampelI would like to propose chenying as core for smaug14:05
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yinweimac+214:05
gampelThe quality and the quantity of his patches and review is notable14:05
yinweimac:)14:05
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xiangxinyong+114:06
yinweimaccons to ying14:06
chenying__Thanks.14:06
saggi+114:06
gampel+114:06
yuval+114:06
yinweimac+114:06
zhonghua-lee+114:06
gampelany objection ?14:06
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gampelzhonghua-lee:welcome14:06
chenzeng+114:06
zhonghua-leegampel: :)14:06
gampelcongratulation chenying14:07
gampel:)14:07
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zhonghua-leechengying_:congratulation14:08
xiangxinyong:)14:08
gampel#topic: Merge Proposed Smaug API v1.014:08
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gampelsaggi: can you please update14:08
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gampelsaggi: ?14:09
saggiWe can merge it14:09
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saggiThere were only minor comments14:09
saggiso unless someone has any objection14:09
saggiit should be merged soon.14:10
gampelthere are some comments from yuval that you missed14:10
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saggiAbout ScheduledOperation?14:10
yuvalyes14:10
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gampelLets all reveiw tomorrow and lets try to finally  merge this patch14:10
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saggiI didn't miss them, I wrote that this is the proper name.14:10
gampelsaggio: we need another partch for the operation log api14:10
gampelOk14:10
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chenying__Another patch about  operation log api need be considered.14:11
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gampelsaggi: can i assign it to you ?14:11
saggiSure14:11
xiangxinyongyeah, this patch is important14:11
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gampel#action saggi send another patch for the operation log14:11
gampel#topic REST API status14:12
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gampelI tried to rebase the Trigger and operation api with no dependencies14:12
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gampelso we could merge them @zengchen can you take a look14:13
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chenying__<xiangxinyong> Do we need consider any api about update resources?14:13
chenzengok14:13
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gampelchenying__: what do you mean ?14:13
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gampel#action chenzeng try to rebase  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287036/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286406/ with minimal dependencies14:14
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gampelchenying__: i am not sure i understand  ?14:15
chenying__some resourece we didn't consider update action.14:15
yuvalchenzeng: both Trigger and ScheduledOperation REST API patches depend on "27608114:15
yuval(Implement rpc interfaces of OperationEngine)14:15
gampelchenying__: which one i think we have for plan,trigger,operation14:17
chenzengyes, tommrow i will try to change the dependencies.14:17
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gampelchenzeng: please revert my changes if they do not make sense14:17
gampelchenying__: which resources we are missing update ?14:18
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chenying__Ok trigger,operation have consider update aciton.14:18
gampel#action chenying__ review the API resources and make sure we are not missing update14:19
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chenying__Ok I will review these api patches.14:19
gampelif we are missing the PUT command please comment14:19
chenying__Ok.14:20
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chenzenggampel:i see your changes about the two apis. i will check them.14:20
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gampel#topic Protectables status14:20
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gampelYuval can you please update14:20
yuvalThe ClientFactory and almost all of the clients were merged (besides neutron)14:21
yuvalWe can now rebase all protectables patches over master14:21
yinweimacNot sure if wla is here, he is writing patch for network protectable and has committed neutron client today14:22
yuvalHowever, please note:14:22
yuvalThe "Implement protectable RPC handlers" changed the ProtectablePlugin base class14:22
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gampel#action yuval and Yingzhe Zeng and wla rebase  the protectables14:23
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yuvalchenzeng: could you please rebase the "Implement protectable RPC handlers" patch and address the comments?14:23
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gampel#action chenzeng rebase "Implement protectable RPC handlers"14:24
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gampelit is blocking the protectable14:24
gampelchenzeng: Ok ?14:25
gampeli will update him tomorrow14:25
gampel#topic Workflow Engine14:25
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chenzenggampel:ok14:25
gampelyinweimac saggi can you please update14:26
yinweimacwe have checked with saggi, so there's no dependency on checkpoint patch anymore14:26
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saggiThere are some patches by walinguan that still need some work14:26
saggiyinwei is working on getting the leases working14:26
yinweimacwla will address saggi's comment, and expose more necessary params in base class14:26
gampelwhat about the bank collection14:27
gampel#link Create BankCheckpointCollection implementation https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280325/14:27
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yinweimacwla will also complete protection task flow and then we can start debugging from api service to cinder protection plugin14:27
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yinweimacI think this patch could be merged14:28
gampelyinweimac saggi what time frame do you think we can expect this patches to be ready ?14:28
yinweimacand saggi and I will work based on this patch on parallel14:28
saggiThis patch I'll fix today14:28
saggiThe patch that serializes the resources will be done next week14:28
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gampelOk if we could merge the workflow we could start doing integration test14:29
yinweimacone second, we still need merge the graph wolker listener as well14:29
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gampelcan you share the link14:30
gampelLets all try to focus review on API workflow patches  and protectabl14:30
yinweimacsorry I find I couldn't open the gerrit link now14:30
saggiI reviewed it. It had some minor problems but nothing major.14:31
gampelis it one of14:31
gampelwangliuan patches14:31
yinweimacsaggi, could you pls. check the link? You reviewed it once.14:31
yinweimacno, it's from luobin14:31
saggihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/28757214:31
gampel#link he resource graph walker listener14:31
gampel https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287572/14:31
yinweimacyes, I think it's this one14:32
gampel#action saggi gampel chenying__ review graph walker listener14:32
gampelso we have 5 patches for the workflow taht we need to merge14:33
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gampelany think else on this topic14:33
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yinweimacyes14:34
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yinweimacone question about heat14:34
yinweimacwhat version of heat template we will use14:34
saggiWhy not the latest?14:34
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gampelwhat are the available versions and what is the difference ?14:35
yinweimacsome intrinsic functions14:35
yinweimaclatest has mapmerge, the second lastest has repeat14:35
yinweimacthings like that14:35
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gampelI will go with the latest if there's no problem with it14:36
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yinweimacok14:36
gampel#action  yinweimac provide restore flow spec (research heat template and restore flow )14:37
gampelyinweimac  is it OK ?14:37
yinweimacok14:37
gampelgreat thanks14:37
yinweimacbtw, luobin and hurong has committed patches for image/server protection plugin reference implementation14:37
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gampelyes i looked at them today looks very good14:37
yinweimacthat's good14:38
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gampel#topic Protection Plugin & Service14:38
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gampelyinweimac: any other update i see that cinder, nova  are  all most ready14:39
yinweimacCurrently chenzeng is working on network protection plugin, together with wla14:39
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yinweimacchenzeng could update14:39
yinweimache has traveled to shenzhen, and becomes a big help here14:39
gampelchenzeng: please update14:39
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chenzengok, today, i start to write the codes, i hope to submit one patch about 'neutron:subnet' tommorrow.14:40
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gampelok if you need any help with the neutron data module contact me on the IRC14:41
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gampelso it seem that we could even merge this week most of the protection plugin14:42
gampelbesides neutron14:42
yinweimachope so14:42
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gampelvery good job guys14:42
gampel#topic Smaug Python Client14:42
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yinweimacand try to start integration test next week14:42
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gampelthat will be excellent14:43
gampelchenying__ do you want to update14:43
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gampelabout Smaug Python Client14:43
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chenzenggampel:thanks very much.14:44
chenying__I will submit last one patch about scheduler_operation14:44
xiangxinyongi know chengying had finished most of them.14:44
gampelvery good so when we have the integration working we could set up CI to run the fullstack test14:45
gampelgood job we will try to review the last patches14:45
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gampel#topic smaug UI dashboard14:46
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gampelxiangxinyong: the stage is yours14:46
xiangxinyongok14:46
xiangxinyongI make some patches, but it could not be submit because the py27 will not be passed.14:46
xiangxinyongThe dashboard refers to some python-smaugclient.14:46
xiangxinyongThe python-smaugclient need be tagged a inital version.14:46
gampelwhich patch ?14:47
gampelcan you share the link14:47
xiangxinyongno link14:47
xiangxinyongeran14:47
gampelchenying__: can you set the tag14:48
xiangxinyongthe patches are still local14:48
chenying__Ok14:48
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xiangxinyongwe need to add python-smaugclient into smaug and smaug-dashboard's requirements.txt14:48
gampel#action chenying__ set tag initial on python-smaugclient14:49
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xiangxinyongsaggi gave a lot of suggestions about the dashboard. Thanks.14:49
xiangxinyongThe dashboard has still some work to do, especially about the resource tree which is very complex.14:49
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gampelOk do you want to have a meeting about that ?14:50
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yinweimacxinyong, do you mean we will show topology graph of resource tree in dashboard?14:50
xiangxinyongyeah14:50
yinweimaccool14:50
gampelI see that currently we support only UI install with coping files we need to add devsatck install as well14:51
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xiangxinyongyeah, eran.14:51
gampelxiangxinyong: you want to do it differently from  the  mock up UI14:51
xiangxinyongnot14:52
gampelok i suggest to have a meeting about the UI issues14:52
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xiangxinyongwe need to take a way to implement it.14:53
xiangxinyongok14:53
gampelOk lets discuss this14:53
gampel#topic Open Bugs14:53
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chenzengsaggi:one question, what's the dir 'smaug/services/protection/plugins' used for?14:53
gampelany open bugs that are blocking14:53
saggiall the files for the protection service14:53
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chenzengdoes all the protection plugins should be put at that dir?14:54
saggiThe should be smaug/services/operationengine14:54
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saggiYes, under some directory14:54
gampelwe have organized the plugins by sub directories for protection and protactabole ..14:55
saggi+114:55
gampel#topic open issues14:55
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chenzengso you can see the patch 'https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286458'14:55
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gampeli would like to suggest moving to weekly every odd week in time better for china14:55
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gampelwhat do you think ?14:55
gampelso one week this time the other a good time for china14:56
gampelsorry adding14:56
yinweimac+114:56
chenzengshould the volume plugin files be move to plungins dir?14:56
gampelchenzeng: i will reveiw and see that it match all the other patches14:57
chenying__every week is better.14:57
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gampeli have comment on that on the cprotection and protecabole patches14:57
chenzenggampel:ok, thanks.14:57
gampel#action gampel find slot for other week that is earlier in china14:57
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gampelany other isuues14:58
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gampelthank you for very good job everyone we are almost there to having end to end protection14:58
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xiangxinyong:)14:59
gampelany last comments14:59
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yinweimacgood night and good day14:59
xiangxinyongbye14:59
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yinweimac:)14:59
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gampelbye good night15:00
saggibye15:00
yuvalbye15:00
gampelthanks15:00
chenying__bye15:00
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gampel#endmeeting15:00
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jasondotstar#startmeeting openstack-salt16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 22 16:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jasondotstar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_salt'16:00
genunix"/16:00
jasondotstar#topic roll call16:00
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jasondotstaro/16:00
genunix\o16:00
jasondotstarhi genunix16:01
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cznewto/16:01
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cznewthello all16:01
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jasondotstarhi there16:01
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jasondotstar#topic Introduction16:02
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jasondotstarThis meeting is for the openstack-salt team16:02
jasondotstarif you're interested in contributing to the discussion, please join #openstack-salt16:02
jasondotstarmeetings are Weekly on Tuesdays at 1600UTC16:02
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jasondotstar#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack_Salt_Team_Meeting16:02
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jasondotstar#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-salt16:03
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jasondotstar#topic Review past action items16:03
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jasondotstargenunix to continue researching openstack packaging (with help from jasondotstar)16:03
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jasondotstarno progress yet according to the etherpad16:03
genunixjasondotstar: no progress :-(16:03
cznewtoh :o16:04
jasondotstarok16:04
jasondotstarnp16:04
jasondotstarsame thing with mine with one exception16:04
jasondotstarjasondotstar to research building RPMs using the openstack-ci16:04
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jasondotstarwere you guys aware that there is an RPM-packaging group ?16:05
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jasondotstardmllr is the chair16:06
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jasondotstarmy plan was to show up to their meeting16:06
jasondotstarand see if we can get some insight on these two items (as they relate to RPM packaging)16:06
genunixgood idea IMO16:07
jasondotstar#action genunix to continue researching openstack packaging (with help from jasondotstar)16:07
jasondotstar#action jasondotstar to attend the RPM-packaging team meeting16:07
jasondotstarlet's see if we can make some headway this week and get some insight from them16:08
jasondotstar#action jasondotstar to research building RPMs using the openstack-ci16:08
jasondotstarok next one:16:08
jasondotstariceyao to continue testing the centos aio deployment16:08
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jasondotstardont see iceyao online16:09
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jasondotstarperhaps we move the meeting next week up to 1400UTC16:09
cznewtyes is there a free slot?16:10
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cznewtat some meeting channel?16:10
* jasondotstar checks...16:10
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jasondotstar1300UTC is available16:11
jasondotstaraccording to the calendar16:11
jasondotstarwe would have to switch channels tho.16:12
jasondotstarit wouldn't be held in this channel16:12
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cznewtit is fine with me16:12
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cznewt1300utc16:12
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jasondotstareither #openstack-meeting-3 or #openstack-meeting-416:13
cznewteither is fine16:13
jasondotstarcznewt: +116:13
jasondotstaranyone else have objections ?16:13
cznewtgenunix has gone away for a minute16:13
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jasondotstarok we can circle back to this16:14
jasondotstarlet's move on16:14
cznewtbut i could see in hs eyes that he aggrees :)16:14
cznewtok, yes16:14
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jasondotstararif-ali to continue the preparation of the RH repos16:14
jasondotstarcznewt: hehehe :-) ok16:14
jasondotstaris arif-ali around?16:14
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jasondotstarif not, according to the etherpad, we're simply reusing RDO for now and Contrail redhat repos16:15
cznewtyes for now, but running in some conflicts16:15
cznewtin contrail dependencies16:15
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jasondotstar+116:16
cznewtbut until we get better grasp on rpm repos, we'll have to stick to officials16:16
jasondotstar+116:16
cznewtnext 1 pls :)16:16
jasondotstariceyao to look into getting OVS networking operational16:17
jasondotstarstatus on the etherpad:16:17
jasondotstarI got contact from a guy, who already implemented DVR networking using our salt formulas, he was instructed how to use gerrit on friday.16:17
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jasondotstarany comments about this?16:17
cznewtYes, I don't have any more news about his progress16:17
jasondotstarok16:18
jasondotstarsame thing with the next one:16:18
jasondotstariceyao to  get the neutron formula with OVS support ready16:18
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cznewtI tried to point him to the meeting16:18
jasondotstarso we've got something worked up to support this it seems16:18
cznewtI hope he will get the registration process right16:18
jasondotstarwe'll have to follow up on this one16:18
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cznewtyes can you give me task to track this to the next meeting?16:19
jasondotstarok sure16:19
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jasondotstar#action cznewt to follow up on DVR networking and the neutron salt formula with OVS support ready16:19
cznewtI'll try to bring him here as well16:19
jasondotstarcznewt: +!16:20
jasondotstarcznewt: +116:20
jasondotstarnext:16:20
jasondotstarlook into scheduling an informal openstack-salt session for our team16:20
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jasondotstarso, I found out recently that it's more than likely that I won't be able to attend Summit in April :-/16:21
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cznewtbad news :(16:21
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jasondotstarstill, the team should try to figure out a place to informally meet for those that are going to be in attendance...16:21
jasondotstarcznewt: i know. i was looking forward to it.16:21
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jasondotstari can assist with that16:21
jasondotstari just won't be able to be there (physically)16:22
cznewtwe were thinking to get around the vendors and invite them to session where we would show them how to add their stuff into it16:22
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cznewtstorage drivers are simplest to implement16:22
jasondotstar+116:22
cznewtthen there are the sdns [a little harder]16:22
jasondotstar+116:23
jasondotstarjasondotstar to check the irc meeting channels for an available meeting slot at 1400UTC16:23
jasondotstarwell, just did this one :-)16:23
cznewtthis would be something different event to the birds of feathers16:23
jasondotstarso that's complete16:23
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jasondotstarcznewt: i think so.  the informal is for the team here16:23
jasondotstarsounds like you're talking about another meeting with vendors to discuss integration points, and etc.16:24
cznewtyes, just wandering about marketing of this event16:24
cznewtyes exactly16:24
cznewtintegration session to get overall knowledge of solution and to show them how simple it is to integrate16:24
jasondotstarthat may be difficult to obtain at this point16:24
jasondotstarthe BoF16:24
jasondotstarbut we can try16:24
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cznewtthis is different to BoF, informal one, but marketed16:25
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jasondotstarwell.... to me BoF is the 'sales pitch' meeting.... the informal session is just us.... IMHO16:26
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jasondotstarother BoFs were like that in the past, but I could be mistaken on the true intent of a BoF....16:26
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jasondotstareither way, it's 2 different meetings with differing audiences for sure16:27
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cznewtyes16:27
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jasondotstarok...16:27
jasondotstarcznewt to update the team on the integration process of our salt formulas with saltstack16:27
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cznewtI have started discussion with david boucha16:28
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cznewthis quoted reply: "I'm looking over the formulas in the link you provided in your previous email. I'm really impressed! I'll dig a little deeper today."16:29
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jasondotstar\o/16:29
jasondotstarnice16:29
cznewtthis sounds promising, but today has passed already :)16:29
jasondotstarwe'll keep an eye on it16:29
jasondotstar:-)16:29
cznewtthis is from past thursday, I'll try to persuade a little more :)16:29
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cznewtthe matter is hard to solve16:30
jasondotstarcool.16:31
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jasondotstarok last one:16:31
jasondotstarcontinue to report the status of the CentOS-based labs16:31
cznewtthis is similar to topic already discussed16:31
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cznewtthe centos based lab is ready as the heat-based lab16:32
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cznewtthe issue is the repository management16:32
jasondotstargotcha16:32
jasondotstarso we need to make sure we know where our RPM pkgs are going to live long term16:33
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jasondotstarok, any other comments on the tasks from last week?16:34
jasondotstarif not, we can move to the next topic16:35
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cznewtnot from me16:35
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jasondotstarok16:36
jasondotstar#topic Today's Agenda16:36
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jasondotstarso we talked a little about the topic on the board16:36
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jasondotstarthe hw vendor session16:36
jasondotstarwait, is genunix back?16:36
jasondotstarcan we confirm the 1300UTC timeslot?16:36
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jasondotstarb/c I can go ahead and work on the commit to change the meeting time...16:37
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jasondotstarok we can circle back with genunix just to make sure that time is ok... sounds like it is16:38
genunixit's fine for me16:39
genunixmuch metter than now :)16:39
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jasondotstarnice16:40
jasondotstarok16:40
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jasondotstar#agreed the meeting timeslot will be moved to Tuesdays at 1300UTC16:41
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jasondotstarok back to the hw vendor session16:42
jasondotstardid you guys want to talk about this more?16:42
cznewtyes16:43
cznewtI was thinking what you have said16:44
jasondotstarcool.16:44
jasondotstarwell, there's nothing else on the agenda16:44
jasondotstarif there's nothing else, we can adjourn16:45
jasondotstargive the chan 15mins back :-)16:45
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jasondotstargoing once16:46
jasondotstartwice?16:46
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jasondotstarok thanks team.  we will chat again next week.16:47
cznewtI'll get back to the topic on our channel16:47
jasondotstaryep16:47
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jasondotstarcznewt: ^16:47
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jasondotstar#endmeeting16:47
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mmedvede#startmeeting third-party17:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 22 17:00:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mmedvede. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
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mmedvedehi, anyone here for third-party working group meeting?17:01
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mmedvede#topic announcments17:04
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mmedvede#topic Gerrrit IP Change17:04
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ja3ola17:04
mmedvedehey ja317:05
mmedvede#link  http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088985.html17:05
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mmedvedereview.openstack.org would have new IP on April 1117:05
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mmedvedeso if you are running any filtering, you would need to make sure you still have access to the new IP17:07
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mmedvedealso, zuul might need to be restarted anyway, so it can reconnect to gerrit event stream17:08
ja3ok misha I'll let bob know17:08
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mmedvedegood :)17:09
mmedvedethat is all for announcements from me17:09
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mmedvede#topic CI Watch17:10
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mmedvedeI did not have time to work on it. The patch queue still remains the same17:11
mmedvede#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/ciwatch+branch:feature/unit-tests+topic:ci-dashboard17:11
mmedvede#topic Common-CI Solution17:12
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mmedvedethere is the patch for fixing gerrit key17:13
mmedvede#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266041/17:13
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mmedvedeja3: I assume that works for you?17:13
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mmedvedeactually, there was -1, so the new line is still required for the key17:14
ja3we're not on ci-watch yet, so "sure"17:14
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mmedvedeja3: that patch is for common ci solution17:15
mmedvede#topic Open Discussion17:15
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mmedvedeanyone else is around?17:16
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mmedvedeja3: do you have anything to discuss?17:16
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ja3no; we are to the point now where we're triggering off of nova patches instead of sandbox17:16
ja3but that's not visible externally, since we're not voting17:17
mmedvedehow stable is your test?17:17
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mmedvedeI think if it is stable enough, you could ask for permission to comment (but set it to non-voting)17:17
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ja3bob is running smoke tests only now, they are 80-90% successful, and in at least some of the cases he had looked at last time we talked the failures were Good Things (gate also failed)17:18
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mmedvede80-90% success rate is very reasonable17:19
mmedvedestability here = if it fails, it fails again on recheck17:19
ja3we still need to get our log server.  THAT process is not for the faint of heart I'm finding, since the process was re-structured last May.17:19
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mmedvedeja3: are you planning to host your own logs, or use outside server?17:20
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ja3CIO-hosted.  That's what we're supposed to use, is my understanding.17:23
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ja3Kurt said it's notionally the same setup you have, it's just that the request process has completely changed so no one with an existing CI system knows how to answer the onboarding questions.17:24
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mmedvedeja3: ah, I see17:26
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mmedvedeI think it is still better than maintaining your own server17:26
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mmedvedeIf there is nothing else, I'll close the meeting17:27
mmedvedeja3: thanks for attending17:27
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ja3good IRCing with you misha17:28
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mmedvede#endmeeting17:28
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stevemarping for ajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, breton, browne, claudiub, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, edmondsw, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, joesavak, jorge_munoz, lbragstad, lhcheng, marekd, MaxPC, morganfainberg, nkinder, raildo, rodrigods, rderose, roxanaghe, samleon, samueldmq, shaleh, stevemar, tjcocozz, tsymanczyk, topol, vivekd, wanghong, xek17:59
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ayoungHeyo17:59
lbragstadstevemar o/17:59
tjcocozzo/17:59
browneo/17:59
bretono/18:00
rderose\o18:00
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stevemarohhh everyone is here so early18:00
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roxanagheo/18:00
shaleh_\o18:00
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stevemarcrinkle: should i add you to the list?18:00
bretonare we left-handed or right-handed in o/ ?18:00
samueldmqhi all18:00
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stevemarbreton: depends if you're viewing it from behind or in front18:00
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ayoungbreton, does not matter so long as you don't try to start with /o18:01
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crinklestevemar: o/ sure :) but i'm on a conference call atm so won't  be paying much attention18:01
dstanekhi18:01
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shaleh_breton: as a left handed person i tend to do the opposite of whatever I see ost doing.18:01
morganbut i don't want a meeting18:01
stevemarcrinkle: cool, for future meetings anyway :)18:01
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morganstevemar: you should do the roll call thing and update the list18:01
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morganstevemar: for the next three meetings, and if someone is here, they're added if they aren't they're dropped18:02
morganstevemar: then let people add themselves after if needed18:02
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morganalso... guang needs a bouncer :P18:02
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raildoo/18:02
stevemarmorgan: i cleaned it up last time, i'll look at logs this time around, the agenda is long18:02
stevemar#topic RC status18:03
ayoungI thought gyee was a bouncer?18:03
stevemaroops18:03
stevemar#startmeeting keystone18:03
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stevemar#topic keystone RC status18:03
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stevemar#link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/mitaka-rc118:03
stevemarwe cut RC1 last week and created the stable/mitaka branch18:04
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lbragstadwhoop18:04
stevemarthat is where mitaka proper will be released from18:04
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stevemarif you have any fixes that should be backported, propose them to stable/mitaka18:04
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stevemari think the only one that may be included is bug 1558670, but it's definitely not a show stopper18:05
openstackbug 1558670 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Internal server error when updating an identity provider" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1558670 - Assigned to Rodrigo Duarte (rodrigodsousa)18:05
rodrigods++18:05
stevemarany other issues with the current RC ?18:05
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bknudsonis there a tag like rc-potential?18:05
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stevemarbknudson: yep18:05
stevemarjust tagged 1558670 with it18:06
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stevemarno other bugs should have it18:06
stevemarif no other questions here, we can move on18:07
stevemar#topic Docs and DocImpact18:07
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stevemari thought we covered this last meeting...18:07
stevemarmaybe not18:07
ayoungDOC DOC MOOSE!18:07
* morgan still dislikes docimpact opening a bug against keystone.18:07
morgani think it's kindof absurd.18:08
ayoungKeystone is absurd, so it fits18:08
ayoungtheater of the absurd18:08
stevemarso if a patch is going to impact the openstack manuals create a DocImpact tag in the commit message18:08
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ayoungstevemar, shouldn't it open a bug in  openstack manuals?18:08
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stevemarit'll open a bug against keystone, and we can use that to create keystone dev docs + it's up to us to also open it against the openstack-manuals team18:09
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ayoungthat sounds like not good18:09
stevemarrelease notes are not changed, we should keep doing what we've been doing there18:09
dstanekback to the stone age with manual processes!18:09
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ayoungyeah, can we just do the right thing here?18:09
morganthis is why i think docimpact is absurd to open a bug against keystone18:09
stevemarit's part of an effort to reduce the amount of bugs the docs team has to deal with18:09
stevemarthey can't keep up18:09
bknudsonI think they want us to fill in whatever more info we can and then transfer it18:10
ayoungassign the bug to the committer18:10
bknudsonor just close it18:10
ayoungbut don't put it in the keystone db18:10
morganstevemar: so... shove more bugs on the projects and then make us manually move it over -mwhich doesn't really reduce their bug count. just adds manual steps that will make the bugs / updates more likely to get lost18:10
dstanekstevemar: the thing i don't like is that since we push our patches to include dev docs the only time i expect a docimpart is a manuals bug18:11
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stevemardstanek: yep, which is why i wasn't enforcing the DocImpact tag18:11
stevemarand it was just 2 weeks ago that the docs team learned about keystone-manage bootstrap :(18:11
ayoungyeah, let's can this one18:11
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stevemarwe can chat about it with the docs team in person at the summit18:12
stevemarbut for now, this was just a PSA18:12
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ayoungand let's open the bugs where they belong.  IN the docs repo, but assign them to the keystone user that commited the patch, or to a default keystone contact if that is all we can do18:12
ayoungok...move on?18:12
stevemaryep18:13
stevemarhappily18:13
stevemar#topic Define driver interface18:13
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stevemarbknudson: ^18:13
bknudsonso today we essentially define the driver interface by test_backends18:13
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bknudsonand test_backends is actually mostly testing the managers, not the drivers18:13
bknudsonso the proposal is to have component tests for the drviers18:13
bknudsonwhich also means updating the docstrings for the drivers to actually specify how they're supposed to work18:14
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bknudsonfor example, the docstring for create_user should say that it returns the user18:14
stevemarbknudson: do you have an example / first patch that we can look at ?18:14
rodrigodsbknudson, so mock the driver responses?18:14
bknudsonbecause otherwise keystone isn't going to work.18:14
stevemarwait found it18:14
stevemar#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/291950/18:14
rodrigodsbknudson, i mean, for the manager tests18:14
bknudsonrodrigods: for the manager tests what I plan to do is run them with sqlite.18:15
amakarovcan't imagine how driver unit test may look like18:15
rodrigodsso no sense do have driver tests?18:15
bknudsonsqlite only, and the driver tests will run against all the drivers we support.18:15
rodrigodssince they are being tested with the manager18:15
rodrigodsbknudson, hmm18:15
rodrigodsgot it18:15
amakarovmaybe revive functional testing idea?18:15
rodrigodsamakarov, we are going to get there :)18:16
rodrigodsin today's meeting18:16
bknudsonso for example we will have driver tests that test against real sql18:16
bknudsonand hopefully real ldap.18:16
ayoungWOO!18:16
rodrigodsbknudson, great, so it is aligned with the tempest plugin bp18:16
rderosebknudson: sounds good to me18:16
bknudsonfunctional tests are different. They test from the REST API in18:17
dstanekbknudson: i'd love to see a fake driver that acts exactly as a real driver would to test the managers18:17
bknudsonthe driver tests will be calling the driver methods directly18:17
ayoungbknudson, meaningless without a real back end though18:17
ayoungfunctional tests need to be there to set up LDAP and SQL18:17
ayoungotherwise it is a finger drill18:17
bknudsonfor SQL a real backend should be pretty easy.18:18
ayoungsame for LDAP18:18
ayoungdevstack supports now18:18
bknudsonthis is the next topic18:18
dstanekayoung: we can do that without having functional tests18:18
bknudsonLDAP will be a little harder I'll have to convince infra to have LDAP in the unit test image like they do with mysql and postgresql18:18
ayoungdstanek, now we are arguing over the semantics of functional tests.  So, yes, sure18:18
rodrigodsbknudson, long term is a great effort18:18
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shaleh_bknudson: why is ldap harder than two sql packages?18:19
ayoungshaleh_, cuz only Keystone needs it, and thus only we understand it.18:19
amakarovshaleh_, imagine loading fixtures there ))18:19
stevemarshaleh_: i imagine some push back since we're the only project that'll use ldap and those images are for every project18:19
bknudsonshaleh_: it's harder because the sql packages are already there whereas for openldap I'll have to find out if they can do it.18:19
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ayoungbknudson, can we install post image build?18:20
stevemarlooks like we have a lot of different testing strategies to pick from18:20
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ayoungit means that the Keystone process will take  a little longer , but, so what...18:20
bknudsonayoung: I think there's a way to do the install ourselves.18:21
ayoungbknudson, OK. We can link that in with the LDAP cleanup effort, then.18:21
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ayoungWorst case, we battle to get it in to the base effort18:21
stevemarbknudson: mind if we jump to the next topic?18:21
bknudsonyes, part of this was to help with the LDAP cleanup effort18:21
amakarovbknudson, one tricky thing about LDAP: enterprises use everything besides OpenLDAP :)18:21
bknudsonok, only question is if others wanted to work on a driver.18:21
bknudsonif so, get in touch.18:22
rodrigods++18:22
bknudsonenterprise ldap isn't going to be installed by infra since it's not open source18:22
shaleh_amakarov: true, but how many of our problems are really due to different LDAP impls?18:22
stevemarguys, bknudson is asking for help, it must be hard18:22
bknudsonyou'll need to provide external CI for that.18:22
rodrigodsshaleh_, some...18:22
rodrigodsnot much, though18:22
ayoungamakarov, I am well aware...especially active directory, but testing that is non-free18:22
ayoungshaleh_, which is also the answer to your question18:23
stevemar#topic Opportunistic DB tests18:23
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stevemarbknudson: ^ you're up again18:23
stevemarthis is awesome btw18:23
bknudsonso this is somewhat related to the prev discussion18:23
bknudsonturns out infra installs mysql and postgresql18:23
bknudsonwith a known username and password18:24
amakarovayoung, can we provide some way to configure functional test to run against come configurable LDAP backend?18:24
bknudsonand oslo.db has test_db which supports these databases18:24
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bknudsonand runs with them if they're available18:24
amakarovI think that can be handy for deployers18:24
ayoungamakarov, yes,  and we should also treat it like another database18:24
bknudsonso the work here is to get our migration tests working with mysql and postgresql, too.18:24
bknudsonanyways, I'm making good progress18:25
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bknudsonand I'll try to add some docs so that devs can set up their env to run them, too.18:25
ayoungwe probably should focus on LDAP via domain specific backends, as that is the easiest:  if it is there, mount it....18:25
stevemarwhich would be great, since we find bugs very often related to non-sqlite backends18:25
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rderose++18:25
shaleh_stevemar: no doubt18:25
bknudsonthe migrations are not working now with mysql18:25
bknudsonand postgresql18:25
stevemarbknudson: ?18:26
bknudsonbut there's not too many failures. I'll post the changes.18:26
amakarovbknudson, neat18:26
bknudsonthe migration tests, not the migrations themselvs.18:26
stevemarbknudson: the tests or the18:26
stevemaroh good18:26
stevemarscared me for a sec18:26
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bknudsonthat was it, just wanted others to know that this is available.18:26
bknudsonI think the infra team is changing things up a bit so that the dbs are only available on a periodic job.18:27
shaleh_bknudson: what will toggle between sqlite and the others?18:27
bknudsonthere are 3 test classes, they all try to run18:27
bknudsonoh, what toggles is there's a fixture that sets the connection string so sqlalchemy picks the right driver18:27
stevemarshaleh_: oslo.db magic to figure out whats installed18:27
amakarovshaleh_, foreign keys cascading operations for sure18:28
shaleh_bknudson: nice18:28
stevemarrodrigods: ready for next topic?18:28
rodrigodsyep!18:28
rodrigodsshould be quick18:28
stevemarbknudson: i am really looking forward to the different sql tests18:28
stevemarbknudson: let me know if i can help18:29
stevemar#topic Specless bp for tempest plugin interface tests18:29
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stevemarrodrigods: ^18:29
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rodrigodsso... tempest won't accept negative tests anymore18:29
rodrigodsthat are component specific18:29
rodrigodsdstanek was in the meeting as well18:29
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rodrigodsthe idea is to have tests in keystone using the tempest plugin interface18:29
rodrigodsthis tests will run only against keystone18:30
bknudsonthis sounds cool18:30
rodrigodssince are tests, don't need a spec, right?18:30
bknudsondoes it replace the functional testing we've been discussing? e.g., federation tests?18:30
dstanekthis stemmed from QA wanting to get rid of certain types of tests from tempest and push them back into the projects18:30
stevemaris this the keystone meeting or the QA meeting, it's all tests!18:30
bknudsonno spec is needed.18:30
rodrigodsstevemar, lol18:31
stevemar++ no spec18:31
dstanekbknudson: i've been toying with a plugin to do the functional testing18:31
rodrigodsshould be sending a patch this week18:31
rodrigodsdstanek, ++18:31
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bknudsonhow many tests are they getting rid of?18:31
dstanekbknudson: it looks like it could, but we'd still need to carry all the devstack things that i wrote18:31
rodrigodsbknudson, none18:31
rodrigodsbut new ones won't be accepted18:31
bknudsonI've always found tempest's keystone tests to be pretty wacky, e.g., they have a v3.admin package???18:31
rodrigodsthey even denied a test where a found the idp update bug18:31
rodrigodsbknudson, yes18:32
bknudsonso are the plugin tests only for negative tests or any tests we want?18:32
dstanekbknudson: rodrigods: right, they decided to keep them all (they were primarily talking about negative tests)18:32
rodrigodsbknudson, any tests we want18:32
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bknudsonwhen would we choose our plugin vs tempest proper?18:33
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rodrigodsi think the answer is: whenever we communicate with other components -> tempest18:33
stevemarmaybe we should have all these tests in it's own repo, i think ayoung mentioned this18:33
rodrigodsonly keystone -> keystone18:33
dstanekbknudson: it sounds like most things we want to test would be in our plugin since we don't use may other services18:33
rodrigodsstevemar, makes sense... but is a bit more work to enable them in this case18:33
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dstanekrodrigods: also i imagine tests of defcore?18:34
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shaleh_do we plan to pull tests in from Tempest once the infrastructure is in place to accept them?18:34
rodrigodsshaleh_, maybe?18:34
rodrigodsmakes sense to me18:35
stevemarwe could18:35
shaleh_rodrigods: at least on the negative/positive side right?18:35
rodrigodsshaleh_, yes18:35
shaleh_Tempest validates it works, we look for where it does not.18:35
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stevemari really hope this talk continues up to and at the summit18:36
shaleh_so even though each project will carry these tests they will still be executed by a Tempest run?18:36
bretonwhat's a negative test?18:36
rodrigodsbreton, the tests an error, for example18:37
bknudsonbreton: a negative test is one that shows what happens when you do something wrong18:37
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bknudsone.g., try to specify an ID when you create a user18:37
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dstanekbreton: the most valuable tests!18:38
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ayoungstevemar, the rationale for its own repo was to be able to to double book entry accounting18:39
ayoungany change that affects tests has to be done in 3 commits18:39
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ayoung1.  change the tests18:39
ayoung2. change the main code18:39
ayoung3. change the tests to validate the new code18:39
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ayoungusually step 1 is "disable old tests that are checking the wrong thing"18:40
rodrigodshmm18:40
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ayoungBut...the other issue I had with tempest is that their test infrastructure essentially has its own client implementation18:40
bknudsonit should be easy to split out the plugin later since it's self-contained.18:40
stevemarayoung: yep, it's got merit, but we can probably just add to our own projects for now and when it gets too big we can toss them in their own repo18:40
ayoungI'd much rather we focused on functional testing in the keystone client project most of all18:41
stevemarthe tests are not public interfaces, so we can rip them out whenever18:41
ayoungclient->server->real backends18:41
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amakarovayoung, ++18:41
rodrigodsayoung, it's an option, but we need to test keystone directly18:41
amakarovayoung, the problem is that such tests are hard to investigate on their failure18:42
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rodrigodsand tempest has a really great infrastructure in its plugins18:42
rodrigodsto write the tests18:42
ayoungrodrigods, the KC is such a think wrapper , I disagree18:42
ayoungin order to break something, it would take a change to both Keystone and client in sync18:42
rodrigodsayoung, we need both18:43
shaleh_rodrigods: help them make it available to all now that they are asking each project to carry tests?18:43
bknudsonok, my vote is no spec is required. Might help but not a big deal.18:43
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bknudsonwe can review the code.18:43
rodrigodswill put the docs in the commit message too18:43
rodrigodsit should be enough18:43
dstanekbknudson: i don't think we need a spec either18:44
stevemardocs in the commit msg?18:44
rodrigodsstevemar, link :P18:44
stevemarahhh18:44
stevemarrodrigods: i see18:44
stevemarrodrigods: keep the docs in the docs folder :P18:44
rodrigodsstevemar, tempest plugin interface docs18:44
stevemar#topic TLS Gate18:44
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rodrigodsthanks o/18:44
ayoungOK, so Rob can't make it18:44
stevemaranyone know rcritten ?18:45
stevemarayoung does18:45
ayoungstevemar, he's from my team18:45
bknudsonwe've all met rcritten18:45
ayoungwe are trying to get TLS everywhere to work18:45
ayoungand this is part of that effort.18:45
ayoungSo, the question here is, can Keystone run with this setup18:45
bknudsonmy only complaint about this is I don't think keystone needs a TLS proxy18:45
bknudsonwe run in httpd, so just configure httpd with TLS18:45
ayoungyeah, but do we set up Keystone with TLS at all?18:45
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morganbknudson: ++18:46
ayoungI figure the setup would be roughly the same...and many sites do front things with a proxy18:46
bknudsonso I'd really like to see this, but I think we'd be better off waiting until we get rid of eventlet and uwsgi18:46
morganHTTPD can handle the TLS layer just fine.18:46
bknudsonand then just set httpd to TLS and skip the proxy18:46
ayoungright morgan ?  HA Proxy as a TLS terminator is common18:46
stevemarhow does devstack setup keystone with tls now if we run under httpd?18:46
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morganayoung: it's all the same really - but i don't see a big benefit to adding a proxy for the sake of proxy18:47
bknudsonif someone wants to propose haproxy in devstack that would be interesting, too.18:47
ayoungdoes it even support that? stevemar ?18:47
morganin gate18:47
ayoungbknudson, ++18:47
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morganbut haproxy is better than generic tls proxy18:47
amakarovbknudson, we use it already18:48
ayoungmorgan, so in this case it is more acase of validating the approach so that we can get the other services to use it, too18:48
brownewe use haproxy as ssl terminator.  does the load balancing and active-active for us very nicely18:48
amakarovbrowne, ++18:48
bknudsonbrowne: how do you run keystone? eventlet?18:48
ayoungI can answer back that we think HAProxy would be the better approach.  I think that is not a bad answer18:48
dstanekbrowne: is haproxy running on each node?18:48
ayoungwould we then use it?18:48
brownebknudson: yes today (kilo based)18:48
brownedstanek: haproxy runs on its own vm separate from the controller.18:49
dstanekbrowne: so traffic from haproxy -> keystone isn't over TLS18:49
amakarovbknudson, we run haproxy + apache mod_wsgi (looking towards uwsgi)18:49
brownedstanek:  no, its just http on private network18:49
ayoungdstanek, it can be, but that is a different (but important) thing to test18:49
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browneand we use keepalived for virtual IPs18:50
dstanekayoung: that's why i was asking :-) i like TLS everywhere, not just between users and services18:50
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stevemar10 minute warning18:51
ayoungOK...that is all I have.18:51
bknudsonI think we should start with (for keystone) configuring apache for TLS.18:51
ayoungbknudson, ++18:51
dstanekbknudson: ++18:51
amakarovhttps://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/ssl/18:51
bknudsonignore eventlet case since that's dead18:51
dstanekbknudson: if they want to shoot themselves in the foot with eventlet then they can use haproxy/stud/whatever to terminate18:52
bretonletsencrypt?18:52
ayoungbut actually, what about the Keystone gate jobas18:53
stevemarthis is where we setup the different keystone deployment methods: https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/lib/keystone#L283-L32318:53
bknudsonwe're getting rid of keystone-all, so there won't be eventlet18:53
ayoungshouldn't we be running with the other services behind tls proxy or comparable?18:53
bknudsonother services will have to use tls proxy unless they can run in apache18:53
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ayoungright, so can we enble that gate job for Keystone?18:54
ayounghttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/293090/18:54
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ayoungwe can modify it to not do proxy for Apache based services.  Is that the feedback?18:54
bknudsondoes it work?18:54
bknudsonthe gate job?18:54
bknudsonI'd prefer it if the devstack config for tls "proxy" was configuring apache to do TLS directly18:55
stevemar++18:55
bknudsonand of course running keystone in apache and not eventlet18:55
ayoungbknudson, according to Rob (who is far more thorough than I am on most things) yes it does18:55
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ayoungSo, to be honest, I would have to look at what he means by "most services"18:56
bknudsonis rcrit going to be around so we can ask him questions? I'm trying to change things in this area and might have questions or might ask him to do stuff.18:56
ayoungbknudson, yeah, I asked him to be here, but too late for him to change another appointment.  I'll drag him in next week18:57
ayounghe'll be back later on today, too18:57
bknudsonhave him ping me when he's on18:57
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ayoungbknudson, will do.  He's got two accoutns active in #freeipa right now18:57
ayoungjust I know he's OOTO ATM18:57
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ayoungall I have18:57
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stevemarbknudson follow up with rcritten and see if you have overlap i guess18:58
stevemarlast topic ...18:58
stevemar#topic Apply for stable:follows-policy tag18:58
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stevemari will submit a patch for this18:58
stevemarend topic :)18:58
ayoungbknudson, waht does that tag give us?18:58
bknudsonI don't have any info here, it was just asked this morning in the mtg.18:58
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shaleh_bknudson: someone was looking for people to talk about it last week18:59
stevemarayoung: it just asserts that we will follow the stable policy18:59
ayoungstevemar, no way!18:59
bknudsonI guess stevemar will fill us in next week.18:59
ayoungtimes up18:59
stevemarso we won't backport features or nonsense18:59
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stevemaryep18:59
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fungi#topic Announcements19:02
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fungiwe got our requested summit session allotment19:02
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fungi#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting19:03
pleia2and we're sharing friday with QA19:03
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fungier, wrong link. fixing19:03
fungi#undo19:03
openstackRemoving item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0x9fb9d10>19:03
fungi#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-newton-summit-planning Newton Summit Planning19:03
pleia2(I updated the etherpad to reflect this sharing)19:03
fungii've tweaked that to make it clear what we have19:03
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Zara:)19:03
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fungithere we go19:04
fungianyway, reminder to put ideas there so we can firm them up, choose and schedule them19:04
fungi#info Please put Infra team summit session ideas on the Etherpad19:04
fungi#topic Actions from last meeting19:05
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fungi#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-03-15-19.03.html19:05
fungi1.19:05
fungi    (none)19:05
fungii'm terrible at pasting things today19:05
jeblairwe're rocking it again19:05
fungi#topic Specs approval19:05
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fungi#link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/publish-election-repo.html APPROVED: Add elections.openstack.org19:06
mordredo/19:06
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jeblairfungi: what happened with the url modification of that spec?19:06
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/278777 PROPOSED: Add Nodepool Zookeeper spec (jeblair)19:06
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anteayajeblair: I think it was a follow up patch19:07
fungijeblair: that was the final result with the url modification19:07
fungii technically approved teh spec and teh addendum to the spec19:07
jeblairah.  it's perhaps still somewhat misleading.19:07
fungibut there was no final artifact to link to for the interim state19:07
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fungioh, yes the title needs fixing it appears19:07
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jeblairalso a bit in the 1st pgraph19:08
jeblairbut the porposed change reads as i would expect19:08
fungiif tonyb or jhesketh or tristanC or anyone else proposes that cleanup i'll happily approve as administrivia19:08
pabelangerSo, reading the spec, zookeeper will be a hard dependency now for zuul?19:08
clarkbpabelanger: nodepool19:08
pabelangeroh, right19:08
jeblairah, yes19:08
anteayathe name of the file changed but the title of the spec didn't: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292666/4/specs/publish-election-repo.rst19:09
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jeblairi believe greghaynes and i have bashed this into shape19:09
jeblairi believe greghaynes and i have bashed the nodepool zookeeper spec into shape19:09
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pabelangerI think there is zookeeper packaging issues on centos7, but think ianw was looking into that19:09
jeblairso i think this is ready for voting19:09
pabelangereither way, not a blocker for us19:09
jheskethI can update that later today19:09
jeblairunless anyone else wants to dive in on specifics first19:09
anteayajhesketh: thanks19:09
ianwyes, it is not on centos, but i'm thinking we need it for tooz/distributed locking/devstack soon19:10
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jeblairalso, fyi, i had hoped to have a follow-on spec for using zookeeper as part of the nodepool-zuulv3 interface, but we were short-staffed friday and that did not go as planned.  hope to have it done soon.19:10
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mordredianw: ++19:10
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pabelangerianw: I'll look into that soon too. Nodepool RPM is about ready for rawhide and hope to move into epel7 shortly after19:11
ianw(just for the minutes, i have started looking at this in -> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zookeeper-epel7)19:11
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* ianw waves hello to people googling "zookeeper" "centos" :)19:12
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* jeblair wishes them good luck19:13
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clarkbrun a ubuntu container on centos719:13
clarkbproblem solved _>19:13
eil397: - )19:13
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eil397just for one java app19:13
fungiyeah, it is worth noting this adds yet another java app into our toolchain19:14
jeblairyep.19:14
fungihopefully it just works and we get to treat it as mostly a black box19:14
clarkbbut its a very easy one to deploy19:14
jeblairi'm told zookeeper is the best at what it does19:14
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pabelangerclarkb: good to know19:14
pabelangerhopefully we don't need 8 of them19:15
clarkbpabelanger: the recommendation is 519:15
jeblairpabelanger: we may want a few of them19:15
jeblairfor quorum purposes19:15
pabelangerindeed19:15
clarkb3 works, 5 is better, you don't want more than 5 apparently19:15
jeblairbut we'll be able to share it for multiple services19:15
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fungiprime numbers huh?19:16
jeblairso if this goes well, and zuul starts using it too, we can manage one centrally19:16
mordredyup. installing and running on ubuntu is VERY easy19:16
jeblairhttps://review.openstack.org/29317619:16
jeblairi started on adding it to nodepool's test infrastructure ^19:16
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jeblairthat'll give you a minimal idea of what it takes to run19:16
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fungithat's not terrible at all19:17
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funginice, already has a python client lib19:17
jeblairnah, and most of that is boilerplate that packages handle for the system installation (i had to copy some things in to run it inside the unit test runner)19:17
jeblairyeah, it's _super_ easy to use19:18
jeblairi wrote a quick test script to validate the ideas i wrote in the spec.  it's as easy to use as you would hope.19:18
jeblairget() put() lock() etc19:18
mordredand it's a library used in openstack19:18
mordredso it's getting some hammering from that direction too19:19
* jeblair wonders whether we will hammer it more :)19:19
fungion the servers section, the implication is that we'd run a zookeeper service on the nodepool server, or would it be on separate servers?19:19
clarkbgiven nodepool's reliability requirements not sure we would need to do anything complicated to start19:19
jeblairfungi: i was thinking we'd just start with a local zookeeper on nodepool.o.o19:20
mordredfungi: if you want to play with one 'easily' on an ubuntu node, just apt-get install zookeeper, then run '/usr/share/zookeeper/bin/zkServer.sh start'19:20
clarkbjeblair: +119:20
mordred++19:20
jeblairmordred: there's an init script too, in the zookeeper-init package or something19:20
mordredfungi: and /usr/share/zookeeper/bin/zkCli.sh will then connect to that in a repl19:20
mordredjeblair: oh - really? neat19:20
fungiyeah, that seems like a convenient way to bootstrap our use of it19:20
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cody-somerville\o_19:20
mordredzookeeperd19:20
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mordredfor the record19:20
mordredis where the init scripts are19:20
tristanCfungi: about election.o.o, its likely stalled from election officials since we are quite busy with the on-going elections process19:20
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jeblairmordred: ah, thanks19:21
mordredbtw - I like having init scripts in one package and software in another19:21
fungitristanC: yeah, no need to worry about that for now. the spec can take as long as it takes to get implemented19:21
jeblairmordred: it's a pattern i could get used to19:21
fungimordred: agreed, makes it more reusable when you don't want to run it as a service but still want the software installed19:22
clarkbor just don't start be default19:22
fungiclarkb: hush, you're speaking in redhatese now19:22
fungi(granted, it's one of the only things rh does differently from debian which i actually agree with)19:23
fungiokay, any more questions on "Add Nodepool Zookeeper" or should we put it up for final council voting this week?19:23
anteayaI'm good for voting19:24
fungi#info Council voting is open on the "Add Nodepool Zookeeper" spec until 19:00 UTC, Thursday, March 2419:24
jeblairyay! thanks!19:24
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/287373 PROPOSED: Deploy-Stackviz spec (austin81, timothyb89)19:25
fungiyou have similarly numbered nicks19:25
timothyb89huh, so we do :)19:25
fungiit made me double-check to be sure i didn't havea  copy-paste error there ;)19:26
austin81Anyone had a chance to review the spec over the last weeks?19:26
fungiit looks like AJaeger and pabelanger were the only ones with input so far19:26
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AJaegerAnd I'm still not sure what's the best way to set this up is - at image build time or via puppet19:27
fungiyou've today added details on puppeting as an alternative19:27
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clarkbits puppet that would run at image build time though right?19:28
fungiright, it happens during image build regardless19:28
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AJaegerAh, didn't get that one before.19:28
austin81if it happens at build time regardless, what is the benefit of doing puppet over a dib element?19:28
AJaegerthanks for asking austin81 ! I just wondered the same...19:29
pabelangerclarkb: yup19:29
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mordredaustin81: for the log server ...19:30
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mordredis there a single stackviz on the log server?19:30
mordredor does the static site from each run get copied to the run dir on the logs server?19:30
timothyb89mordred: unless we change server configs, there is one per run dir19:30
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mordredcool19:30
fungisimilar things we install into our images at build time are zuul, swift-log-publisher and bindep19:30
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mordredthen I do not see any need to puppet vs. dib personally19:30
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fungibindep is done in a dib element19:31
fungichecking to see whether the other two are19:31
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fungiyeah, nodepool-base/install.d/ has 99-install-zuul and 90-venv-swift-logs19:32
timothyb89fungi: the subunit2sql init tasks are also similar to what we want, in a dib element19:32
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fungiso consistency would be to do it the way it's written in the specv19:32
fungier, spec19:32
jeblairi think we want to minimize and eventually stop using puppet for nodepool nodes19:32
mordredtimothyb89: does npm have a thing like the virtualenv?19:32
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timothyb89mordred: it largely functions that way by default19:32
mordredthe other concern is making sure that we don't pollute the images with a ton of stuff that's globally installed19:33
mordredawesome19:33
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mordredthen that should be fine19:33
austin81So if the consensus is dib on this... https://review.openstack.org/279317/  https://review.openstack.org/212207/ are the next things that need approval.19:33
timothyb89mordred: 'npm install' will only touch our own directory19:33
mordredcool19:33
fungiyeah, i don't see any blockers for putting this up for a council vote. anyone object?19:33
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anteayaI do not object19:34
fungi#info Council voting is open on the "Stackviz Deployment" spec until 19:00 UTC, Thursday, March 2419:34
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fungi(that appears to be its actual name in the rst)19:35
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hasharo/19:35
fungi#topic Priority Efforts19:35
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fungii don't see any last-minute additions for this19:35
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anteayazaro: added something19:36
fungi#topic Gerrit tuning - git gc (zaro)19:36
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anteayaoh sorry, yeah that19:36
fungithat's not a priority effort afaik19:36
fungibut adding to the agenda topics19:36
anteayasorry got listed there19:36
fungi#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-January/003640.html Gerrit tuning - git gc19:36
fungizaro: you had updates on this?19:37
zaroohh yeah19:37
zarojust added it to let you guys know that i would like ot share info i've gathered.19:37
fungiplease share ;)19:37
zaroit can be now or outside of this meetig19:37
anteayaI'm listening19:37
zaroso the link outlines the concern that jeblair had with scheduleing git gc.19:38
zarohere's somet of the things i've found: http://paste.openstack.org/show/491498/19:38
zaroline 241 shows jgit gc command run, which give the same result as git gc.19:39
zaroline 119 shows files before and after git gc.  which seems to reduce file sizes and puts all objects in a single file.  i believe the single file is the thing that jeblair had issue with.19:40
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clarkbthe concern is that may make fetch operations slower19:41
clarkbiirc19:41
zarofrom reading git info i think updating refs (if needed) is still possible using `git-ref-update` or `git-symbolic-ref`19:41
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fungiright, the thing i see missing from this research so far is the performance impact on common git remote operations (particularly on packed repos with many refs)19:41
zaroclarkb: yeah, that's the other thing.  but i don't see how smaller files would make it slower?19:41
clarkbzaro: because it is all in one file that must be operated on for every operation19:42
fungizaro: it's a question of fewer files making it slower because git may have to seek within the packfile rather than relying on lookups at teh filesystem level19:42
clarkbthat ^ but you are right the size diff is large so may do the opposite19:42
fungiyep. which is why we were hoping someone would test this19:43
eil397time git fetch ? after git gc ?19:43
fungiso anyway, at least the indication so far is that relying on gerrit's background jgit gc task might be no worse than our cgit gc cron job19:44
clarkbeil397: git clone, fetch a specific branch, and so on19:44
fungiif i'm understanding your assertion, zaro19:44
zarofungi: yeah, that would be my conclusion19:44
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jeblairwe don't run git gc19:44
zarolet me go and test the fetch time on it and see how that works out19:45
fungioh, we run repack19:45
clarkbeil397: zaro and use file:// git:// and http19:45
hasharIIRC the git .pack files have an index and the file is mmap()  ed in memory, so it is rather faster than stat() on a myriad of files19:45
fungifind /home/gerrit2/review_site/git/ -type d -name "*.git" -print -exec git --git-dir="{}" repack -afd \;19:45
fungifrom puppet-gerrit19:46
hasharWikimedia runs the git gc on all Gerrit repo once per week or so19:46
clarkbhashar: thats another possible concern, now we have to have 500mb of memroy for every nova git op19:46
clarkbits already not cheap so not a huge deal19:46
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jeblairclarkb: i'm not following?  what's the concern?19:47
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clarkbjeblair: if the entire file has to be mapped into memory to fetch a single ref that means the git servers all of a sudden need more memory19:48
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jeblairclarkb: ah, i don't think a memmapped file takes up that amount of memory; the opposite in fact19:49
clarkbbut nova and neutron have always been hard on memory so not sure f there will be an appreciable difference19:49
fungithere are ways to optimize that with separate addressing/indexing, but i have no idea if cgit does that19:49
jeblairclarkb: it usually means you only need to load the pages you access into memory19:49
hasharclarkb: na the pack file has an index. So you map the index, then lookup the part of files that contains what you need an map that solely that part19:49
fungisounds like it does19:49
clarkbya looks like 660mb ish for a current git process19:50
hasharall based on X years memory really. Would have to dig again in git pack source code19:50
clarkbresident19:50
fungiokay, anything else on this topic? we wanted to see a comparison to the actual git repack we're doing in cron now, yes?19:51
eil397I've heard about way to accelarate clone by using git bundle. not sure. will it be good for infra. just fyi19:51
fungiand also tests on impact to remote git operations?19:51
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clarkbhashar: ah ok, not sure why git needs so much memory today then19:51
eil397https://www.kernel.org/cloning-linux-from-a-bundle.html19:51
clarkbhashar: possibly this will be cheaper than current situation19:51
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zarofungi: got it.  will will19:52
fungiwe're at 8 minutes, still 2 topics on the agenda, at least one of which may need to get pushed out to next week19:52
fungi#topic IRC Bots (anteaya)19:53
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anteayathanks19:53
anteaya#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089509.html19:53
cdentI'm here19:53
anteayaso this email thread is indicative of a trend19:53
anteayacdent: thanks for being here19:53
anteayacdent wrote an irc bot19:53
anteayathere are also other irc bots19:53
anteayaas well, I think I may have narrowed the topic too much19:53
anteayaas tehre are also gerrit bots folks are running19:54
AJaegernotmyname has the patchbot that is used in some repos19:54
anteayaso I thought we might be able to disuss some of the thoughts folks have19:54
anteayaAJaeger: yes that is one of the other irc bots19:54
anteayaas a for instance, for gerrit bots, I don't feel a bot having +2 and +A on a repo is a good idea19:54
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anteayaalso for meeting channels jeblair had asked that folks add bots out our infra config files if they want bots19:55
anteayaso sorry to already not follow my own topic19:55
anteayadoes anyone else have thoughts?19:55
fungiwe don't have a lot of control over whether people run irc bots in the channels we manage, though we do generally frown on unsanctioned bots echoing in channels shared by multiple teams19:55
mordredI think the main concern with other bots is that when people start depending on them19:55
mordredthey then come and ask infra for help when they break19:56
fungior in channels used by teams who don't want those bots echoing in the channels they inhabit19:56
clarkbI personally set up a smartfilter for anything I don't want to see and move on ...19:56
pleia2mordred: yeah19:56
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mordredtons of people depended on a bot that soren ran for a while19:56
mordredthen soren stopped caring19:56
hasharscale bot maintenance beyond infra team?19:56
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mordredhashar: well, we have subteams in infra for the purposes of scaling tasks and stuff19:56
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mordredso there is no reason there could not be a bot subteam19:56
fungiit's mostly 1. noise factor, and 2. assuming maintenance for services on which a large portion of the community depends19:57
mordredyah19:57
mordredit's also possible that we need to do better advertisement of the features of the bots we already run19:57
angdraugcan (2) be solved by listing bot owners in its whois data?19:57
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pleia2angdraug: using the launchpad bot as an example, we all knew who ran it, but when they lost interest it was still difficult to contac them and get changes made19:58
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ttxyeah, results in a brittle env19:58
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pleia2ttx: nods19:58
cdentIn the specific case of purplerbot, I'm happy to see it run on infra19:58
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cdentI've packaged it and put it on pypi19:58
mordredfor instance: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-nova/latest.log.html#t2016-03-22T19:44:30 is the per-line url link from the channel logs produced by the bot we run, and http://p.anticdent.org/logs/openstack-nova?dated=2016-03-22%2019:44:30#l8A is the link to the same thing from cdent's bot19:58
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jeblairdead irc server, irony of ironies :)19:59
ttxyou end up depending on something, and since you don't want overlapping functions, that featureset never ends up in the canonical bot19:59
fungianteaya: so we're at 1 minute remaining. did you have a specific action or decision you were looking to come out of this?19:59
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cdentmordred: the log in purplerbot is ancillary to its real purpose19:59
anteayafungi: I just wanted to see if folks wanted to discuss19:59
anteayalooks like they do19:59
jeblairalso, i have looked into errbot, but the way forward is not completely clear; happy to follow up with others if they are interested19:59
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anteayawe can continue later, thank you19:59
hasharWikimedia is a wide range of irc bots; Most are hosted on a shared tenant for people to act on them as needed and most are documented on a wiki with basic restart/maintenance procedure. With bot code in Gerrit/Github19:59
angdraughad a problem last week, someone launched a broken bot on #fuel-dev, had to ban it...19:59
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fungiigorbelikov: looks like we'll hit your topic at the beginning of our general topics section next week. sorry we ran out of time for the full agenda20:00
fungiokay, we're out of time everyone20:00
fungithanks!20:00
hasharso if JohnDoe bot dies, I can head to the wiki page, copy paste the command to restart it and hopefully it is back ;-}  Even if I have no root on the infra20:00
anteayathankyou20:00
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ttxHi everyone!20:01
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ttxOur agenda for today:20:01
ttx#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee20:01
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ttx#topic Appointing missing PTLs for Newton20:01
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ttxWe have a number of project teams that failed to present candidates for PTL election20:02
ttxFor those we have to pick a PTL (or make the team unofficial)20:02
ttxThere was a ML thread covering it:20:02
ttx#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089908.html20:02
ttx* EC2-API20:02
ttxFor this one we have a late candidate (the current PTL), Alex Levine20:02
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alexandrelevineI'm here if you need to ask me something20:02
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ttxThis team is new (been created February 2), so I'm ready to cut them some slack. It's their first election20:03
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russellb+1 for some slack.20:03
mordred++20:03
jeblairwfm20:03
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ttxwe might need to be clearer with new teamls that there will be reelections with everyone else20:03
annegentleyeah20:03
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ttxeven if that mleans doing an election one month after they are created20:03
annegentleah that might work20:04
mestery+1 for slack20:04
fungii hope that once the election info is getting auto-published to governance.o.o soon we'll be able to link from the ptg to current election schedules as well20:04
thingee#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089939.html late ec2-api ptl self-nomination20:04
ttxAny objection to selecting alexandrelevine as EC2API ptl for Newton ?20:04
lifelesso/20:04
lifelessnone here20:04
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claudiubnone20:05
ttxI'll formally propose it in a change anyway20:05
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ttxso we'll have a normal vote on that by next week. I'll assume it's OK if we reach 7 votes though20:05
ttxsince we discussed it today20:05
ttx#action ttx to put up a change proposing alexandrelevine as EC2API ptl20:05
ttx* Stable Branch Maintenance20:05
mriedemo/20:05
ttxThis one is more of a governance corner case, with the current PTL candidating for another PTLship20:06
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ttxand a volunteer replacement blocked by election officializing duties20:06
ttxI think in this case the governance is working as intended by giving us the ability to fix the corner case20:06
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ttxI'm +1 on giving tonyb the role20:06
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mordred++20:06
dtroyer++20:06
mriedem+120:06
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sdague+120:06
russellbwfm20:06
ttxunless mriedem has second thought on being Nova PTL20:06
lifeless++20:06
mestery+120:06
ttxit's not TOO LATE20:06
mordredmriedem: now's your chance20:06
mriedemoh god20:06
david-lylerun20:06
russellbmriedem: run20:06
* mriedem makes shifty eyes20:06
ttxrun while you can20:06
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dougwighaha20:06
mesterylol20:07
jeblairthe current ptl is the only nova candidate?20:07
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annegentleha20:07
russellbi mean, thanks for taking on such an important role!  you'll do great :)20:07
sdaguejeblair: yes20:07
mesteryjeblair: Yes, that's the case20:07
ttx#action ttx to put up a change proposing tonyb as stable PTL20:07
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fungihe'd pretty much have to abdicate at this point20:07
mesterymordred: Ooooo, fancy gifts!20:07
ttx* Winstackers20:07
ttxThis is another relatively young team, added this cycle... so also their first election20:07
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ttxWe have a late volunteer, the original PTL for the team. The team seems active enough.20:08
jeblairso that's going to happen, leaving tonyb as the only potential candidate we know of for stable ptl; so yeah, i think the corner case is not troubling and tonyb sounds good20:08
thingee#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090111.html late winstackers ptl self-nomination20:08
claudiubhello, i'm here, if there's any questions20:08
claudiuband I'm sorry for being late20:08
russellb+1 on that one, too,.20:08
sdague+120:08
ttxSo again I don't think that is uncovering a deeper issue -- that team sounds mostly functional to me20:09
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annegentleno worries claudiub20:09
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jeblair++20:09
ttxso +1 on claudiub from me20:09
lifeless++20:09
mestery+1 for claudiub from me as well20:09
claudiubthanks folks, I'll definetely be more careful next time. :)20:09
ttx#action ttx to put up a change proposing claudiub as winstackers ptl20:09
ttxI'll approve those 3 changes if they reach 7 votes, so that it's more formal20:10
thingeettx: I have posted several reviews to hopefully help the election to be more known when applying a new project http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090091.html20:10
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ttxthingee: yes, thank you for those20:10
ttxwe'll cover them next week likely20:10
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ttx#topic Cross-project workshops at the Newton Design Summit in Austin20:11
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ttxIt's time to start thinking about how we plan to organize the cross-project workshop day at the Austin Design Summit20:11
ttxHappens all day Tuesday, with the Ops day separated and happening on the Monday20:11
ttxno more conflicts20:11
anteayagood, thank you20:11
ttxAs a result it will be the only thing running on Design Summit grounds on the Tuesday20:11
jroll\o/20:11
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ttxwhich gives us a lot of flexibility on the number of parallel rooms we want to run (or the shape of the rooms).20:11
ttxIn Tokyo we did 3 parallel rooms (21 * 40-min slots)20:12
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ttxShould we do that again ? More parallel rooms ? Less parallel rooms ? Longer sessions ?20:12
sdagueit might be worth waiting to see what the content looks like that gets proposed20:12
ttxI want to have a session on the new separated event20:12
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ttxsdague: that sounds fine, we can decide quite late how many rooms we actually want20:13
jeblairi don't think we want too much parallelism; we were already missing people we expected with 3 tracks :)20:13
anteayaon the Tuesday, I had figured you would do that on the Friday20:13
sdagueI think last time we barely had enough solid content for 3 tracks20:13
rockygjeblair, ++20:13
ttxjeblair: we can have times where we have only one and times when we have 3 parallel20:13
jeblairttx, sdague: ++20:13
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ttxso it looks like we should start the topic collection process20:14
ttxand then decide how to schedule20:14
anteayaI don't think there should be any competition for you new event session20:14
ttxsounds good to me20:14
sdagueso I would mostly just let the suggestions role in on the topics, and we can be flexible based on it20:14
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ttxtopic collection -- what should we use ?20:14
annegentleand not have conflicts unless needed20:14
mriedemto clarify, this is like nova/cinder and nova/neutron sessions on tuesday?20:14
mriedemb/c we have cross-project stuff to cover20:15
ttxgood old etherpad ? Google form and then copy to etherpad ?20:15
ttxmriedem: no20:15
anteayattx: your old app didn't work last time?20:15
ttxmriedem: ideally those are affecting most projects, rather than 2 or20:15
annegentlemriedem: more like "quotas everywhere" "logging everywhere" right?20:15
jeblairgood old summit app? :)20:15
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sdagueI vote we start in etherpad if we are going to end up there20:15
ttxoh, good old summit app20:15
sdague-2 for summit app20:15
mriedemannegentle: ok, real cross-project20:15
sdaguethat was a giant pain to sync data20:15
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sdagueand stuff got lost20:16
fungi(not that etherpad doesn't sometimes lose data on its own, but yeah)20:16
jeblairsdague: sync from what to what?20:16
anteayasdague: oh, I didn't know stuff got lost20:16
mriedems/cross-project/cross-openstack/20:16
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ttxyeah maybe etherpad for data collection and then we can move to other more structured docs to vote / select20:16
sdaguebecause there were some things in the etherpad and some in the summit app20:16
sdagueit was a giant mess20:16
jeblairsdague: i think that's cause we switched halfway through20:16
sdagueonly one tool please20:17
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thingeettx: was going to post something to the list and later bring in the cross-project meeting next week.20:17
jeblairi can agree with that20:17
ttxso... etherpad ?20:17
thingeeetherpad seems fine tho20:17
sdaguettx: ++ etherpad20:17
markmcclainetherpad20:17
ttxconsistent with what most others are using20:17
ttxetherpad in previous editions remained mostly readable until we started to vote and people spammed it20:18
jeblairwhat's wrong with the summit app for this?20:18
ttxjeblair: can't vote there ?20:18
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ttxso you need to copy the submissions to discuss them ?20:18
sdagueright, we'll end up with an etherpad to work the data to completion20:18
anteayaI thought folks could leave comments20:18
ttx(the comments suck since I wrote that app)20:18
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ttx(and people can tell I hate web dev after 2 seconds of using the app)20:19
mordredttx: I just assume you hate everything20:19
ttxmordred: I hate CSS and JS more20:19
annegentleha self deprecation is the best deprecation20:19
ttxWell, I hate PHP the most, but it's not using PHP20:19
jeblairyeah, i mean, i like the structured data and comments we get with the app.20:19
jeblairi'm fine with etherpad20:20
rockygannegentle, I thought spaghetti code depracation was the best depracation20:20
jeblairit just seems like the app, when used well, handles this kind of data in the quantity we throw at it for the cross-project sessions the best20:20
sdakeo/ :)20:20
annegentle:)20:20
sdakeapologies for being late20:20
ttxjeblair: there weren't that many submissions last time20:20
jeblairmy brain was not large enough to hold all 21 sessions in my head, and i had to make my own external index20:21
ttxit felt like an etherpad would have handled it well enough, and yes we did copy everything to etherpad manually to handle the last stage of selection20:21
sdagueright, I think we have a pretty known workflow with etherpad, most projects are using it for planning.20:21
thingeesdague: +120:21
ttxsdague: do you want to start the doc and write the email about it ?20:21
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sdaguettx: sure, can do20:21
jeblairttx: that's what i'm trying to get at20:22
jeblairwhy did we copy to the etherpad at the end?20:22
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ttxjeblair: because it's just hard to have a discussion with the comments, and even harder to place votes20:22
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ttxa line of +1s on an etherpad is easier to read than pages of +1 comments20:23
ttxand then we can reorder etherpad, move things20:23
sdagueI feel like we need to move on from this, we decided what we are using, it's what actually works for the sifting phase20:23
jeblairsdague: yes sir!20:23
ttx#action sdague to start the doc and write the email about it20:23
jeblairi will just try to be smarter in the future20:23
ttxleadership! No need for zing20:23
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ttx#topic assert*upgrade tags cleanup20:24
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ttxWe started the discussion on that last week20:24
ttx* Remove rolling-upgrade tag from swift/ceilometer (https://review.openstack.org/292334)20:24
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ttxThis one is about removing the rolling-upgrade tag from swift/ceilometer, since the tag requires the rolling upgrade to actually be tested in the gate20:24
ttx4 yes, wouldn't mind another 320:25
ttxsince it's likely to draw complaints if we fasttrack it20:25
ttxor if we lazyconsensus it20:25
lifelesswill add votes later, have a dr appt nowish thoough20:26
gordcfwiw, cool with me on ceilometer20:26
ttxlifeless: ack, thanks for attending some20:26
lifelessWill be +1 from me20:26
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ttxok, we have 7 (8 counting lifeless), so I'm ready to aprove20:27
ttxor approve20:27
ttxcomments, objections ?20:27
ttxok, approving now20:28
annegentleso did you hear from notmyname ttx?20:28
ttxno, cced him on the review20:28
* notmyname is in a meeting with lawyers. I only just saw this right now when I saw the "swift" ping in IRC20:28
jeblairttx: a lot of people don't see that20:28
notmynamesorry, I didn't see the cc20:28
jeblairttx: i am added to thousands of reviews; i never see that.20:29
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ttxremoving the tag doesn't mean swift doesn't support rolling upgrades, it means that swift doesn't test it at the gate20:29
fungii actually filter them into a bitbucket i get so many20:29
notmynameI have strong feelings on this, but I can't reply now. will have to be after my current meeting20:29
ttxI'm find waiting until next week to give you a chance to object20:29
ttxfine*20:29
annegentleyeah I think that's fine20:29
ttxno hurry20:30
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ttx#info decision delayed until next week to give notmyname a chance to object20:30
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ttx* Add testing requirement to assert:supports-upgrade tag (https://review.openstack.org/292918)20:30
ttxThis one is to add a requirement to actually test the basic upgrade in the gate20:30
ttxwhich will also mean removing it from aodh and gnocchi since they have no grenade-like test20:31
ttxI think this one is fair game20:31
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gordcyep20:31
ttxone vote short20:32
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dansmithttx: tag author gets an honorary vote right? :P20:32
ttxwe have gordc +1 and I think adding grenade-like testing to aodh/gnocchi would be an awesome addition20:32
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ttxok, approving now20:33
ttxdansmith: no you get the right to be consulted every time someone complains about the tag being wrongly applied20:33
dansmithoh boy20:33
mriedemyeah...20:33
ttxmriedem knows something about that20:33
mriedemi did see someone trying to justify that tag on their project b/c they run db schema migrations in dsvm setup20:33
mriedemwhich is a bit bogus20:33
ttxapproved20:34
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ttx#topic Call out GPL style licenses in testing/validation.20:34
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ttx#link https://review.openstack.org/29314020:34
ttxlifeless proposed a clarification around GPL licensing and test dependencies.20:34
ttxI think the clarification looks good, but ideally we would not mention static names there20:34
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ttx(and just let requirements-core be aware of who is the licensing resident expert of the day and involve them in the discussion)20:34
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ttxbut I'm fine approvign that and proposing the name removal as a second step20:34
lifelessn for "hey, go through all the prompts again?" I'm20:35
lifeless                    pondering --hard, --force, --reset20:35
lifeless05:36 < krotscheck> betherly: ^^ Any thoughts?20:35
lifelessbah20:35
lifelessttx: we can update it as the names change20:35
lifelessttx: but I see no reason to *enforce* tribal knowledge20:35
jeblairincluding names seems weird20:35
ttxlifeless: in the end it's requirements-core making the call -- they should know who to ask20:35
ttxnot sure we need to codify that list in governance basically20:36
jeblairnames may be a better fit in requirements README or something20:36
jeblairif we feel we need to write them down somewhere20:36
ttxyep, sounds good in requirements README20:36
lifelesssure20:36
ttxwe probably need to update that anyway20:36
ttxsince it has some licensing guidelines and that or may not be compatible with the clarified ones20:36
ttxlifeless: if you remove the names, I'll do the requirements README update proposal20:37
lifelessk20:37
lifelesswill do this afternoon20:37
jeblairttx: i did update requirements with this: https://review.openstack.org/27999820:37
ttxOK, I propose to approve that during the week if it reaches 7+ votes in favor20:37
ttxNice!20:38
ttxI'll just have to add the names then20:38
ttx"if you have doubts over licensing, like for example a GPL test dep, you can ask the following folks"20:38
ttx#action ttx to propose a "licensing experts" addition to requirements README20:39
ttx#topic Add threat analysis for vulnerability:managed20:39
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ttx#link https://review.openstack.org/29421220:39
ttxsdake proposed to slightly modify the wording of the vulnerability:managed requirement around third-party securiity review20:39
ttxfungi did approve it, which in my book counts as an approval from the VMT on the new wording20:39
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ttxIt's still technically a tag definition change, so we'll need a formal vote20:40
fungiyeah, didn't bother me20:40
ttx(i.e. at least 7 votes in favor)20:40
fungiit was expanding an already subjective list of terms20:40
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ttxfungi: do you know what sdake has in his mind for adding that ?20:40
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ttxoh, commit message is pretty clear20:41
fungittx: also there was an ml thread20:41
sdakettx what do yu mean?20:41
ttxsdake: missed the rationale for the change, but now I read it20:41
sdakeso a threat analysis is a  thing the security guys do to cut down their workload on an audit20:41
sdakean audit includes auditing dependencies and whatnot for problems20:41
sdakered hat had an audit tema of 40 people20:42
sdakei tried to get red hat to uadit kolla but they told me to pound sand20:42
ttxdon't want to call an audit what is really a threat analysis. Makes sense20:42
sdakebut it has to be third party20:42
sdakeso i can't get an audit20:42
fungithe issue was mainly that some people had a much more specific interpretation of the terms in that description than the author (me) did when writing it20:42
sdakebut i can get a TA20:42
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ttxalright, we have enough votes, I'll approve now20:42
sdakethanks folks :)20:42
ttxThanks sdake  for clarifying20:42
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jeblairin the meeting, it was noted that we probably don't actually have audits for existing vuln-managed projects...20:43
sdakejeblair that is correct20:43
ttxjeblair: it's a bit grandfathered in yes20:43
jeblairsecurity by precedent :)20:43
ttxwouldn't hurt to do a refresh tour :)20:43
fungiyes, still on the to-do list for the vmt is to evaluate existing covered projects to see if any need to be removed from support or shored up in some way20:43
jeblairbut seriously -- are we intentionally raising the bar for new projects to try to keep workload manageable?20:44
ttxmoving on20:44
jeblairor what fungi said :)20:44
ttxerr20:44
sdakejeblair you mean lowering the bar - ta = bar lowering20:44
ttxI think ultimately the same rules will apply to everyone, it's just a manpower thing20:44
fungisdake: i think he meant as opposed to holding existing projects to the same criteria we're requiring of new projects20:44
ttxat this stage it's mostly about not adding undue burden20:44
jeblairsdake: point taken, but what i really meant was that we have set the bar higher for new projects than for existing ones20:45
sdakefungi oh got it20:45
sdakejeblair ya that sucks20:45
jeblairis that intentional or is it just debt we need to pay off on the old projects20:45
sdakebut it is what it is20:45
fungiabsolutely debt20:45
ttxjeblair: it's not the only one. See activity requirement vs. the Packaging-deb project team20:45
lifelessok, I gotta go, sorry.20:45
ttxlifeless: we are mostly done. Thanks20:45
jeblairfungi: cool, good to know.20:45
jeblairi think that answers my question20:45
sdakethanks tc for your time on that change - tthat will be super helpful for new projects ;)20:46
jeblairttx: thanks for humoring me and not moving on.20:46
ttxjeblair: we should use slack so that I can edit my stupid "moving on"s20:46
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jeblairttx: let's move on.  :)20:46
ttx#topic Change mission statement by recent change20:46
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ttxI failed at trollbaiting20:46
russellbttx: you should totally propose that20:47
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ttxyou guys ain't fun20:47
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ttx#link https://review.openstack.org/29261020:47
* mordred hands ttx a box full of "fun"20:47
ttxThis change proposes we align the mission in governance with the proposed mission from our recent resolution20:47
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ttxThis is slightly ahead of the game, since we'd like the board to approve the mission statement change first20:47
ttxAs such I propose we defer this one and come back to it once the board decided20:47
ttxWhich should hopefully happen next week, russellb ?20:47
russellbhopefully, yes20:47
russellbi asked for it to be on the agenda20:48
ttxwell, if not, we can reevaluate our options20:48
russellbif the board can't agree to this, then ...20:48
russellbyes.20:48
jeblairit's scheduled for 11:00!20:48
ttxor rather the newton TC members will reevaluate options20:48
russellbwho has to approve this is a bit of a gray area anyway, isn't it?20:48
ttx11/00... PST ?20:48
ttxrussellb: yes, not defined in governance20:48
jeblairpdt i'd imagine20:49
ttxwhich is why it's simpler if we just all agree20:49
* fungi can't remember if lake tahoe is pdt or mdt20:49
russellbttx: yep20:49
russellbwell let's see what happens next week20:49
ttxok, so deferring until we hear back from the board meeting20:49
jeblairfungi: it's p*t; m*t is the nevada/utah border20:49
ttx#info deferring this one until we hear back from the board meeting20:49
ttx#topic Open discussion20:50
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anteayao/20:50
ttxanteaya: yes?20:50
anteayawill there be a tc/board meeting the sunday before summit?20:50
fungioh, right, lake tahoe is in california. i keep thinking it's further east20:50
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russellbanteaya: yes20:50
jeblairfungi: most of it.  some of it is in nevada.20:50
ttxrussellb: do you know when ? Sunday ?20:50
anteayarussellb: do we have any details, like time or location yet?20:51
russellbJoint TC/UC/Board April 24, 2:30pm - 5:30pm20:51
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ttxok20:51
anteayathank you20:51
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bswartzDoes the TC have an initiative to drive all the projects towards py3 compatibility? I mean actually running functional tests on py3?20:51
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ttx#info  Joint TC/UC/Board April 24, 2:30pm - 5:30pm20:51
russellbhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/24Apr2016BoardMeeting20:51
ttxbswartz: we declared to support that effort, but haven't applied any coercion yet20:52
ttxI had one quick topic for open discussion20:52
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ttxDesign summit session moderator advice video20:52
anteayalocation: JW Marriott20:52
ttxWith the big tent we have a lot of teams at the Design Summit, and sometimes the people moderating the session there have no idea what they are running into20:52
ttxSome of them might come to Design Summit 101 on Tuesday, but this is mostly geared toward new attendees, not moderators20:52
ttxSo there was this idea to host a video panel / hangout / webinar with a few design summit old-timers20:52
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ttxthat would result in a video that we could send to newish session moderators and PTLs20:53
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ttxWho would be interested in participating in that ?20:53
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ttxI think sdague could be interested but he had to run20:53
anteayawhen are you creating the video?20:53
ttxThat would likely be setup as Hangouts on Air (like the bootstrapping hour) so that the video gets automatically posted20:53
ttxsometimes over the next two weeks20:53
anteayathanks20:53
rockygttx:  great idea.20:53
jrollrussellb: should that be 9-5 central time, not pacific? (wiki says pacific)20:54
claudiubo/20:54
ttxMy video editing skills are about as bad as my web dev skillz, so be perfect20:54
russellbjroll: probably.20:54
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jrollheh. k.20:54
fungii'm terrible at moderating sessions, so mostly interested to see what others come up with in this area ;)20:54
annegentleheh old-timers20:54
ttxI'll kick off a thread on openstack-tc to recruit, and if we don't have enough candidates I'll extend to long-time PTLs20:54
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anteayattx: I can participate if you want me to20:54
ttxannegentle: people that have seen a lot of design summits, I guess20:55
ttxannegentle: I know one names Anne20:55
ttxnamed*20:55
annegentlettx: :)20:55
edleafettx: I would be happy to help with this20:55
ttxAnd another named Ed20:55
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ttxalright, I'll move that to a thread on -tc and ccing external people who expressed interest like Ed20:56
annegentleI can help but have to have a think (I don't often have controversy to tame)20:56
annegentlehonestly please please introduce yourself and don't assume everyone knows everyone would be my first tip :)20:56
rockygput anteaya and rockyg on the cc list if you would, please20:57
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ttx#action ttx to start a ML thread on -tc about the video, adding edleafe, rockyg and anteaya to the cc.20:57
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ttxNote that we'll likely keep the group relatively small so that the video doesn't end up being 30 min of mandatory watching20:58
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ttxOr maybe we could all come up with a short 30sec advice and then record them all20:58
fungithe microphone is there for reminding people briefly at the start of the session that they should move to te front of the room... then you can turn it off ;)20:58
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ttxmaking sure there are no duplicates20:59
thingeeI did add the open discussion agenda of how we want to deal with stale specs http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089115.html20:59
edleafefungi: heh20:59
* rockyg hands fungi a microphone20:59
thingeewe can talk about it next week tho20:59
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thingeesince there is a minute left20:59
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ttxoh, missed that. Recent addition ?20:59
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thingeettx: yeah sorry20:59
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fungiit's not rude to tell people who aren't there to participate in the discussion/work that they should go somewhere else20:59
ttxyeah, next week I guess20:59
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ttxLast words, anyone ?21:00
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thingeefood21:00
ttxVote for the PTL elections if you still haven't!21:00
ttx#endmeeting21:00
ttxThanks everyone21:00
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thingeecross-project meeting is skipped, but see stuff that will probably be discussed next week http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090152.html21:01
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