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| thinrichs | Hi all | 00:01 |
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| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 00:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 3 00:01:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 00:01 |
| ramineni1 | hi | 00:01 |
| thinrichs | ekcs, pballand, masahito: courtesy ping | 00:01 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni1: hi | 00:01 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: are you here? | 00:03 |
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| thinrichs | The main thing on today's agenda is mitaka3 | 00:03 |
| thinrichs | Masahito sent a note to openstack-dev saying he tested the client. | 00:03 |
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| thinrichs | And all looked good except for 2 issues. | 00:04 |
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| thinrichs | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088045.html | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | Issue 1 I think we ignore. | 00:05 |
| thinrichs | It says that the output of rule list isn't a table. | 00:05 |
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| thinrichs | We tried outputting rules as a table for a while, and it became really hard to read with any reasonably long rules. | 00:05 |
| ramineni1 | thinrichs: ya, i remember that output was intetional right | 00:05 |
| thinrichs | ramineni1: yep | 00:05 |
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| thinrichs | Issue 2 is pretty minor: that the help message says you need to provide a datasource NAME | 00:06 |
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| thinrichs | when in reality you can provide a NAME or ID. | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-congressclient/+bug/1552212 | 00:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1552212 in python-congressclient "Non accurate help messages for dataosurce CLI" [Undecided,New] | 00:06 |
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| thinrichs | Anyone know how easy that is to fix? | 00:07 |
| ramineni1 | its easy | 00:07 |
| ramineni1 | just help message should be updated right | 00:07 |
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| thinrichs | That's what the bug says. | 00:07 |
| ramineni1 | ill check, it should be one line fix | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | If it's that easy, let's go ahead and do it. | 00:08 |
| ramineni1 | thinrichs: ok | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | I did some testing of the client as well. | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | I ran into 500 errors during datasource creation ... | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1552037 | 00:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1552037 in congress "500 when creating a datasource without config" [Critical,New] | 00:09 |
| ramineni1 | thinrichs: oh , with datasource api model in place? | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | but then realized that at the time the datasource api model wasn't moved over to dse2. | 00:09 |
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| thinrichs | Now that the new datasource api model has merged... | 00:10 |
| thinrichs | I'll need to test it again. | 00:10 |
| ramineni1 | thinrichs: ok | 00:10 |
| thinrichs | But otherwise I found no issues with the client. | 00:10 |
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| ekcs | hmmm. wonder why moving to dse2 matters here. i’ll try to reproduce. | 00:11 |
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| thinrichs | So once we get this quick fix into the client, I'll create the mitaka release. | 00:11 |
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| thinrichs | (the release for the client) | 00:11 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: Not sure But we definitely have new code to test now that we've moved over to Dse2. | 00:12 |
| ramineni1 | thinrichs: planning to release today your time? | 00:13 |
| thinrichs | So make sure that we're testing all the current code. No need to debug old code. | 00:13 |
| thinrichs | ramineni1: I'll release tomorrow. Too late today if something goes wrong. | 00:13 |
| thinrichs | #topic server | 00:13 |
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| ramineni1 | thinrichs: oohok | 00:13 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: hi! | 00:14 |
| masahito | hi | 00:14 |
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| thinrichs | We just finished discussing the client. | 00:14 |
| masahito | sorry, late | 00:14 |
| thinrichs | And your analysis of the client readiness for release. | 00:14 |
| thinrichs | masahito: no problem | 00:14 |
| thinrichs | We decided to leave the first issue (rules not printed as a table) as it is, but to fix the second issue (incorrect help messages). | 00:15 |
| thinrichs | How does that sound? | 00:15 |
| thinrichs | A long time ago, we had rules printed out in a table, and they became almost impossible to read when they were long. | 00:16 |
| masahito | sounds good. | 00:16 |
| thinrichs | I'm planning to release the client tomorrow (my time), which gives ramineni a chance to put the fix in place. | 00:16 |
| masahito | got it. | 00:17 |
| thinrichs | ramineni1: you volunteered for that, right? | 00:17 |
| thinrichs | Or did I just volunteer you accidentally? :) | 00:17 |
| ramineni1 | thinrichs: ya, i can fix that | 00:17 |
| thinrichs | Now onto the server. | 00:17 |
| thinrichs | Looking at the outstanding changes… | 00:17 |
| thinrichs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/congress+status:open | 00:18 |
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| thinrichs | I think we just want to get Eric's top 2 changes in before we freeze master. | 00:18 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: any questions that we should discuss now so we can get those merged? | 00:19 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: not really. if the patches look good then pls merge. one issue: | 00:20 |
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| ekcs | once partitioning patch is merged, I’d like to update the heartbeat patch again to use the new partitioning convention and then merge. | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | Can you push the partitioning patch ahead of the heartbeat patch? Or would that be nontrivial? | 00:21 |
| ramineni1 | ekcs: one question | 00:21 |
| ekcs | any order works. | 00:21 |
| ekcs | no dependency as it stands. | 00:21 |
| ramineni1 | ekcs: we have published_tables and subscribed tables in dataserviceinfo class right? are they updated anywhere? | 00:22 |
| ramineni1 | ekcs: https://github.com/openstack/congress/blob/master/congress/dse2/data_service.py#L39 | 00:23 |
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| ekcs | ramineni1: I think they’re not currently being updated. All the code is referring to DseNode for that information. | 00:24 |
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| ekcs | Not sure which way to make it in the future. | 00:25 |
| ramineni1 | ekcs: hmm,i feel its good to have them updated , to have the info in dataservice class itself is easy to maintian right away? but if not now, may be in the future | 00:25 |
| thinrichs | ramineni1: is that what you're asking in this comment in the heartbeat change? | 00:26 |
| thinrichs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281586/10/congress/dse2/data_service.py | 00:26 |
| ramineni1 | thinrichs: ya | 00:26 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni1: sounds like that's something that's not a blocker for the patch then. Is that patch good to merge as is? | 00:27 |
| ramineni1 | i feel having all the data in node makes it hard to maintain in future, | 00:28 |
| ramineni1 | thinrichs: ya, should be fine as is now, but may be in future if we could maintain, it would make things easier i felt | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | ramineni1: got it | 00:29 |
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| thinrichs | I see so right now we're storing ALL subscription info inside the node, and you're suggesting we have it stored in the individual data services. | 00:30 |
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| thinrichs | And then on each heartbeat, we pull that data all together from the services and send it along. | 00:30 |
| ramineni1 | thinrichs: yes, | 00:30 |
| thinrichs | That right? | 00:30 |
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| ramineni1 | thinrichs: along with services that data is also received by default | 00:31 |
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| thinrichs | I guess the downside is that it'll cost a bit to assemble all the subscription info from different places on each heartbeat. | 00:31 |
| ramineni1 | thinrichs: so we need to extract and update | 00:32 |
| thinrichs | Right. | 00:32 |
| ekcs | I see the appeal in that, because each node “owns” it’s on subscriptions. On the other hand, the node is the entity that actually uses the data. the individual dataservices really dont. | 00:32 |
| ekcs | s/each node/each dataservice | 00:32 |
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| thinrichs | Is this a question of taste/style, or is there a technical benefit to storing the subscriptions in the data services? | 00:33 |
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| ramineni1 | thinrichs: i guess it wont be that hard to store assemble also, if we go by this approach , it should be easier than what we do now? | 00:33 |
| ramineni1 | ekcs? | 00:33 |
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| ekcs | I see it more as style. Heartbeat aside, the node is responsible for distributing incoming pubs to each service. So it’s the entity that needs the subscription information. the individuall services mostly don’t care. | 00:34 |
| ekcs | storing with service has the advantage that it’s organized in a way that corresponds to the intuition that each service owns its subscription info. | 00:36 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni1: is there a technical benefit that you see? | 00:36 |
| ekcs | but storing with node actually makes the code simpler. | 00:36 |
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| ramineni1 | ekcs: i felt the other way | 00:36 |
| ramineni1 | thinrichs: its easy to maintain and understand i felt , | 00:38 |
| ramineni1 | thinrichs: may be we can ignore for now | 00:38 |
| thinrichs | I see both sides, and in those cases I typically think that the person writing the code should make the call. | 00:38 |
| thinrichs | So let's move on. | 00:39 |
| thinrichs | Sounds like the existing heartbeat patch is ready to go in. | 00:39 |
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| thinrichs | Maybe we merge that one and the partitioning one... | 00:40 |
| thinrichs | and then you can push your test change for the heartbeat code as a separate patch ekcs. | 00:40 |
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| ekcs | except that it still usses old style partitioning code. so if we merge the test partition patch first then I can update hb. | 00:40 |
| ekcs | oh ok that works too. | 00:40 |
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| thinrichs | Let's all take a look at the newest partitioning test code… | 00:41 |
| thinrichs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286961/ | 00:41 |
| thinrichs | Eric's pushed an update recently. | 00:41 |
| thinrichs | Once the existing heartbeat patch goes in, we can all start testing heavily. | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | Looking for bugs and corner cases. | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | Before I forget, we should update the standalone install instructions. | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | Or at least make sure that they are working. | 00:42 |
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| thinrichs | I've got a patch to update the devstack install instructions. | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | Does anyone want to volunteer to test the standalone install? | 00:42 |
| ramineni1 | devstack? | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | Not with devstack. | 00:43 |
| ramineni1 | oohok | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | The standalone instructions are for when you want to install just congress, without keystone, nova, etc. | 00:43 |
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| ramineni1 | i never tried that, i can try once | 00:44 |
| thinrichs | ramineni1: thanks! | 00:44 |
| ekcs | i think i’ve done it before, but don’t remember whither i’ve ever gotten it completely working. | 00:44 |
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| thinrichs | If it doesn't actually work, we should know that. | 00:45 |
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| thinrichs | Otherwise, let's all spend time hammering on Congress to find as many bugs as we can and fix them. | 00:46 |
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| thinrichs | Once we think we've got most of the bugs squashed, we'll branch and create a release candidate. | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | I'll release mitaka3 tomorrow with whatever is in master. | 00:47 |
| thinrichs | Any questions? | 00:47 |
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| thinrichs | #topic new core | 00:48 |
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| thinrichs | Last topic for the day. | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | A happy one. | 00:48 |
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| thinrichs | masahito has now officially been promoted to core. | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | So you'll undoubtedly start seeing him +2 and merge code. | 00:49 |
| ekcs | awesomeness | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | masahito: Congratulations! | 00:49 |
| ramineni1 | masahito: congrats :) | 00:49 |
| masahito | Thank you everyone. | 00:49 |
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| thinrichs | That's it on the agenda for me. Anything else to discuss? | 00:50 |
| masahito | All your support helped me. I'm really appreciating it. | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | masahito: you earned it. We're glad to have you on the team! | 00:51 |
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| thinrichs | Thanks all! Have a good week. | 00:53 |
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| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 00:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 3 00:53:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-03-03-00.01.html | 00:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-03-03-00.01.txt | 00:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-03-03-00.01.log.html | 00:53 |
| masahito | bye | 00:54 |
| ekcs | bye | 00:54 |
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| zzxwill | Congratulations. | 00:55 |
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| eumel8 | morning | 05:59 |
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| Daisy | morning, eumel8 | 06:00 |
| Daisy | I will start I18n meeting. | 06:00 |
| eumel8 | just in time *g* | 06:00 |
| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 06:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 3 06:00:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:00 |
| ianychoi | Hello all :) | 06:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 06:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 06:00 |
| Daisy | Hello, ianychoi | 06:00 |
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| Daisy | Hello, eumel8 | 06:00 |
| Daisy | Thank you for your work in translation check website. | 06:00 |
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| eumel8 | your welcome | 06:01 |
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| Daisy | There is only 1 topic from me. | 06:01 |
| eumel8 | hope there is some more progress this week | 06:01 |
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| Daisy | Hope so, eumel8. I see the emails going through. | 06:01 |
| eumel8 | ok | 06:01 |
| Daisy | #topic Kick off Mitaka translation | 06:01 |
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| Daisy | http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html | 06:02 |
| eumel8 | hi ianychoi :) | 06:02 |
| ianychoi | Hello Daisy and eumel8 :) | 06:02 |
| Daisy | According to Mitaka release schedule, this week is feature freeze and soft string freeze. | 06:02 |
| Daisy | We will start Mitaka translation from this week too. | 06:03 |
| ianychoi | Yep, okay:) | 06:03 |
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| Daisy | I will annouce the kick off of Mitaka release in ML today. | 06:03 |
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| Daisy | The translation plan has been discussed in ML too. | 06:03 |
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| Daisy | As to the UI projects, we will translate Horizon, Horizon Authorization, Trove dashboard, sahara dashboard and Muruno dashboard. | 06:04 |
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| Daisy | Kato has updated the home page. You can see the plan here: https://translate.openstack.org | 06:05 |
| jftalta | hello | 06:05 |
| Daisy | I will add "other" projects there as optional. | 06:05 |
| Daisy | Hi, jftalta | 06:05 |
| aeng | :) | 06:05 |
| Daisy | We are talking about Mitaka translation plan. You can get it from the home page of the translation website. | 06:05 |
| ianychoi | The translation plan looks good. Then, can we collaborate with some cross project liaisons for i18n now? | 06:06 |
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| Daisy | 5 user interface related projects, and 8 or 9 "other" projects as optional, which will be the focus of IBM tranlsation team. | 06:06 |
| ianychoi | And with IBM? | 06:06 |
| Daisy | Yes, we have some. | 06:06 |
| Daisy | ianychoi: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#I18n | 06:06 |
| jftalta | I won't be able to stay with you the whole meeting because it is 7 am in France and I have to get ready to go to work :( | 06:07 |
| Daisy | ianychoi: not all. I will push to get more liaison in the following days. | 06:07 |
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| eumel8 | lgtm | 06:07 |
| ianychoi | I got it. Thank you, Daisy :) | 06:07 |
| Daisy | jftalta: understand. | 06:07 |
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| Daisy | jftalta: there is only 1 topic. It's about mitaka translation. Do you have any questions ? If no, it's ok to leave. I will write email to ML with much detail information. | 06:08 |
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| ianychoi | That's okay, jftalta . I am in working time :) | 06:08 |
| eumel8 | jftalta: you should first go to work and then join the meeting ;-) | 06:08 |
| jftalta | FYI, I submit a patch yesterday for openstack-i18n-fr channel | 06:08 |
| Daisy | great, jftalta | 06:08 |
| jftalta | It got 4+ and now it's in the CI pipeline. | 06:09 |
| Daisy | jftalta, ianychoi, eumel8: I have the I18n ATC naming list approved. I think active translators will get their codes for Austin summit this week or next. | 06:09 |
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| jftalta | <Daisy> great :) | 06:10 |
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| katomo | great, Daisy | 06:10 |
| Daisy | I18n ATC naming list is approved by TC. Active translators will get their codes the week or the next, soon, in a few days. I hope it's not too late. | 06:10 |
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| ianychoi | Actually, for ATC it is okay but I am not sure whether I would be able to go there or not.. | 06:11 |
| eumel8 | Daisy: Thanks. I have the code but won't attend the Austin summit. | 06:11 |
| Daisy | I plan to get our I18n ATC automatically getting codes, just as developers. It will take time. | 06:11 |
| jftalta | I will submit a path today on the system-config repos to get openstack-i18n-fr mailing list as well. | 06:11 |
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| Daisy | wow, I like it very much, jftalta | 06:12 |
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| Daisy | I see Robert from German team is asking how to add a mailing list. | 06:12 |
| Daisy | Can you reply his email and point to your patch ? | 06:12 |
| jftalta | Sure :) | 06:13 |
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| eumel8 | thanks, jftalta | 06:13 |
| ianychoi | I think he already summited a patch for mailinglist: openstack-de and openstack-de-i18n | 06:13 |
| Daisy | another news from me is http://stackalytics.com/?metric=translations | 06:13 |
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| Daisy | Although I think the data is not that correct, it's a big progress, anyway. | 06:14 |
| katomo | yep | 06:14 |
| ianychoi | I think the translation count only reflected master branches for project. Is it right? | 06:14 |
| Daisy | ianychoi: I don't think so. | 06:15 |
| Daisy | The patch is made Ilya Shakhat, stacklytics lead. I think he used the program in our I18n repo to get translators contribution data. | 06:15 |
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| Daisy | I just fee curious why zh-cn is less than zh-tw. :)) | 06:16 |
| Daisy | s/fee/feel | 06:16 |
| eumel8 | I'm impressed | 06:16 |
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| ianychoi | For my data, there is no data for my stable-liberty translations in openstack-manuals. This is why I thought such that. | 06:16 |
| ianychoi | But it is so nice progress!! | 06:17 |
| jftalta | On Zanata home page, I can read "Mitaka Liberty translation (2016 March ~ 2016 April)" .... | 06:17 |
| Daisy | ok, ianychoi, good point. | 06:17 |
| katomo | I noticed stackalytics restrict to some project | 06:17 |
| Daisy | jftalta: I see the typo too. katomo or I can update it after the meeting. | 06:17 |
| jftalta | ok | 06:18 |
| katomo | oops | 06:18 |
| katomo | i will update | 06:18 |
| jftalta | katomo: thanks | 06:19 |
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| Daisy | we can continue to improve the data in stackalytics, when Mitaka translation is done. Ilya Shakhat has created the base. We can work on the improvement. | 06:20 |
| eumel8 | Daisy: So the nut is cracked with stackalytics and we need nothing more to do at the moment? | 06:21 |
| ianychoi | And katomo Document translation (~2016 April) : second install-guide => user-guide.. :) | 06:21 |
| Daisy | eumel8: Yes, I feel so. We don't need to organize a sprint then. | 06:21 |
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| eumel8 | oh, very good | 06:22 |
| Daisy | eumel8: save your weekend. :) | 06:22 |
| ianychoi | Nice! | 06:22 |
| eumel8 | very good work! | 06:22 |
| katomo | fixed | 06:23 |
| Daisy | ok then. I think I'm done today. I will change the topic to open discusion. | 06:23 |
| Daisy | #open discussion | 06:23 |
| Daisy | #topic open discussion | 06:23 |
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| Daisy | any topics here ? | 06:24 |
| Daisy | If no, we can close the meeting. | 06:24 |
| eumel8 | translation checksite we're already on the way. Devstack master branch was broken some days so we loosed the time. Maybe we can install finaly this week. Depends on infra team | 06:24 |
| Daisy | Thank you for the update, eumel8. Very good work. | 06:24 |
| Daisy | I cannot wait to see our translation check website. | 06:25 |
| katomo | eumel8 Thanks! | 06:25 |
| ianychoi | Thanks, eumel8 ! I will also see the progress :) | 06:25 |
| eumel8 | ok :) | 06:25 |
| jftalta | When do you thinh the checksite will be ready for the translators ? | 06:25 |
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| jftalta | think | 06:26 |
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| eumel8 | maybe Monday. But I don't know | 06:26 |
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| jftalta | Oh, great :) | 06:26 |
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| katomo | good | 06:27 |
| Daisy | anything else to talk here ? | 06:28 |
| ianychoi | Nope from me | 06:28 |
| eumel8 | not from my side | 06:28 |
| katomo | none | 06:28 |
| jftalta | nope from me too | 06:28 |
| amotoki | hey | 06:28 |
| ianychoi | Oh, hello, amotoki ! | 06:28 |
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| jftalta | hello ! | 06:28 |
| amotoki | I read thru the log. Is murano-dashboard a part of prirotized projects? | 06:28 |
| katomo | hello, amotoki | 06:28 |
| eumel8 | hi amotoki | 06:28 |
| ianychoi | Yes | 06:28 |
| Daisy | Yes, amotoki. Any questions ? | 06:29 |
| amotoki | looking at https://www.openstack.org/software/project-navigator/ | 06:29 |
| jftalta | Sorry but it's time for me to go to work. Hope you don't mind. See you. | 06:29 |
| amotoki | murano deployment is 7%. Is it worth targetted as Medium priority? | 06:29 |
| amotoki | I thought it is best effort one. | 06:29 |
| eumel8 | cu jftalta | 06:30 |
| ianychoi | see you later, jftalta :) | 06:30 |
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| amotoki | I just wonder why murano-dashboard in and magnum-ui out from the list. | 06:31 |
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| amotoki | I think it is a fair question. | 06:31 |
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| jftalta | Bye everybody, bye Daisy. | 06:32 |
| Daisy | amotoki: We have liaison from Murano team and we don't have liaison from magnum team. | 06:32 |
| amotoki | same for designate-dash.. | 06:32 |
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| katomo | see you, jftalta | 06:33 |
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| Daisy | I think it turns out that Murano team thinks translations are important to their project. | 06:33 |
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| amotoki | accoridng to the ml, shu-muto volunteers for liaison from magnum team. | 06:33 |
| Daisy | I don't see from the table. | 06:33 |
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| Daisy | If magnum has liaison, I'm OK to add it. | 06:33 |
| amotoki | okay. if that is the reason, sounds fair. | 06:33 |
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| amotoki | pritorities in my mind are: | 06:34 |
| amotoki | high: horizon, d.o.a | 06:34 |
| katomo | lets add magnum | 06:34 |
| amotoki | medium: trove/sahara-dash | 06:34 |
| amotoki | low: murano/magnum/others | 06:34 |
| amotoki | in a priority list | 06:35 |
| ianychoi | I have no objection on adding more dashboard plugins. I will follow the decision :) | 06:35 |
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| amotoki | okay. let's defer priorities inside the list to each lang team :) | 06:35 |
| katomo | +1 | 06:35 |
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| amotoki | I now agree to add them to the list. | 06:36 |
| Daisy | amotoki: as I said in the email, it's hard to tell which projects are important and which projects are not. According to the data, plugin projects will be our major work in the future. An important point in my mind is how collaborative the project dev team is | 06:36 |
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| amotoki | Daisy: understood. that is the major reason I quoted the project navigator. | 06:37 |
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| amotoki | no objection now. | 06:38 |
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| Daisy | Another point in my mind, but I didn't write in the mail, is how much the requirement to translate is. If some people care the project and want to translate, we don't have reason to reject the translation request. | 06:39 |
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| katomo | sure | 06:40 |
| amotoki | agree in general. | 06:40 |
| Daisy | so I appreciate Kato much to ask the team about their thoughts. I'm OK add projects to the plan if people request to translate. | 06:40 |
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| amotoki | i am just afraid we cannot review all of them well. | 06:40 |
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| Daisy | I have the same feel, amotoki. I don't know if people will pay attention to my email to dev mailing list and ask for liaison. | 06:41 |
| amotoki | but we are now in the stage to encourage more translations rather than better quality with throughout reivew. | 06:41 |
| Daisy | exactly, amotoki. | 06:41 |
| katomo | yep | 06:42 |
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| Daisy | the good thing is that we will have our translation check website in this release. | 06:42 |
| Daisy | We can ask people to help review. | 06:42 |
| Daisy | a question | 06:42 |
| amotoki | good to hear that on translation check site /// | 06:43 |
| Daisy | if we ask more people to have review, when they think a translation is not correct, where do they report ? How do you think ? | 06:43 |
| amotoki | Zanata interface is not so good for feedback/interaction between translators.... | 06:44 |
| Daisy | I think bugs in lanchpad is a little heavy. | 06:44 |
| ianychoi | 1) For local translation, discussion with local i18n team would be the best 2) translate.openstack.org 3) launchpad 4) i18n mailing-list ? | 06:44 |
| katomo | hehe | 06:44 |
| amotoki | i prefer to local communication methods. | 06:44 |
| eumel8 | +1 | 06:44 |
| katomo | ianychoi +1 | 06:45 |
| Daisy | en...local communication methods are not logged. But I'm fine as a temporary solution. | 06:45 |
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| Daisy | ianychoi +1 | 06:45 |
| amotoki | from our experince in local team, push notification from local communication methods would help us. | 06:46 |
| amotoki | we are not always online. | 06:46 |
| Daisy | ok then. | 06:47 |
| Daisy | I don't have strong objection to existing communication method, before we have better solutions to report translation bugs. | 06:47 |
| ianychoi | I think local methods would be the first currently because for Zanata, some Zanata users might not know well for how local translation are coordinated. | 06:47 |
| amotoki | let's discuss in a lang team and if it turns out it affects all, let's move it to i18n list or more general place. | 06:47 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: totally agree. | 06:48 |
| eumel8 | I think wrong translation in Zanata caused by general misunderstandings and this will end in a discussion in irc or mailing list. So I'm find with local communication methods. The outcome could be an addional entry in glossar, wiki or something like that | 06:48 |
| amotoki | we don't have a way to share information among all translators. | 06:48 |
| eumel8 | s/find/fine/ | 06:48 |
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| ianychoi | For Korean translation, some users do not follow Korean glossary. I usually fix it, but I do not find proper ways to contact with the guys.. | 06:49 |
| Daisy | ianychoi: that's why I try to ask all translators appear in IRC, with their Zanata ID. | 06:50 |
| amotoki | I usually rejects such translation intentionally rather than fixing it by myself. | 06:50 |
| ianychoi | Daisy, I agree with it, but IRC might not be mandatory for some users. | 06:50 |
| amotoki | but they might already have IRC nick .... | 06:50 |
| Daisy | I know, amotoki | 06:50 |
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| Daisy | Some people even don't know how to use IRC. | 06:51 |
| Daisy | or what IRC is. | 06:51 |
| katomo | hm | 06:51 |
| amotoki | yeah. in addition, web based IRC client has poor experience. | 06:52 |
| Daisy | I think web based IRC is broken. | 06:52 |
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| amotoki | on the other hand, it would be great if we can do all around transltiaons thru web-based interface :) | 06:53 |
| Daisy | the communication method discussion can be a long term discussion. | 06:53 |
| Daisy | amotoki: what do you mean ? | 06:53 |
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| ianychoi | One question. Would it be easy to add dashboard for local teams in Zanata? | 06:53 |
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| Daisy | I don't find it, ianychoi. | 06:54 |
| amotoki | Daisy: most non-developers does not use apps like IRC or terminal. | 06:54 |
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| eumel8 | there are fields for comments in Zanata. Anybody used this option? | 06:54 |
| amotoki | eumel8: we are using it. | 06:55 |
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| amotoki | eumel8: but there is no efficient way to search/filter comments | 06:55 |
| eumel8 | mhmm, ok, seems so | 06:55 |
| amotoki | if translations has 25 pages, we need to go thru 25 pages to find all comments. | 06:56 |
| ianychoi | I used it previously, but usability is not good for me... | 06:56 |
| Daisy | I see amotoki put lots of comments under Japanese translations. I can see the discussion under Japanese team through comments and reply. It took me several hours to copy his comments out of Zanata and pass to IBM translators. | 06:56 |
| amotoki | in addition, comments have no status information. | 06:56 |
| Daisy | There is a chat window in Zanata. But it cannot support offline messages. | 06:57 |
| amotoki | on the other hand, comment is an easiest way to leave a note inline. | 06:57 |
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| Daisy | we have only 2 minutes left. | 06:58 |
| eumel8 | imagine each comment would create a ticket | 06:58 |
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| katomo | eumel8, good idea | 06:58 |
| Daisy | If zanata can support notifications and messages, I think it will help. | 06:59 |
| amotoki | I think it is useful if Zanata supports (1) filtering entries with comments (2) filteirng with comment status (like Transifex) | 06:59 |
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| ianychoi | tickets would make translations stronger. +1 ! | 06:59 |
| katomo | time now | 07:00 |
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| amotoki | thanks | 07:00 |
| ianychoi | Thanks all! | 07:00 |
| Daisy | We will have a session in Austin summit to talk with Zanata dev team face to face. | 07:00 |
| katomo | Thanks! | 07:00 |
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| Daisy | Thank you all for attending. | 07:00 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 07:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 3 07:00:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-03-03-06.00.html | 07:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-03-03-06.00.txt | 07:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-03-03-06.00.log.html | 07:00 |
| eumel8 | thanks all | 07:00 |
| katomo | continue on ML. | 07:00 |
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| gordc | #startmeeting telemetry | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 3 15:01:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telemetry)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telemetry' | 15:01 |
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| liusheng | o/ | 15:01 |
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| _nadya_ | o/ | 15:02 |
| r-mibu | o/ | 15:02 |
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| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:02 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:02 |
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| gordc | ok let's get this started. | 15:02 |
| idegtiarov | 0/ | 15:02 |
| gordc | #topic recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Telemetry/RoadMap | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Telemetry/RoadMap (Meeting topic: telemetry)" | 15:03 | |
| gordc | i just cut m-3 this morning against HEAD | 15:03 |
| gordc | first. thanks for all the work you folks have done this cycle | 15:03 |
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| gordc | regarding FFE, right now i'm just tracking idegtiarov timedelta patch | 15:04 |
| gordc | and r-mibu's tempest work (if it finishes) | 15:04 |
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| ildikov | gordc: the tempest work in Aodh? | 15:04 |
| gordc | if someone has anything outstanding, please yell now (although it probably won't work) | 15:04 |
| gordc | ildikov: ceilometer and aodh | 15:05 |
| gordc | r-mibu: do you still think you'll have time? | 15:05 |
| r-mibu | yep, i'll finish in this cycle | 15:05 |
| ildikov | gordc: ok, cool | 15:05 |
| gordc | r-mibu: ok. just so you know, it ends very soon :) | 15:06 |
| r-mibu | i'm planning to use different name in our plugins to avoid param conflict | 15:06 |
| liusheng | I will try to help | 15:06 |
| r-mibu | so, it can be finish only in our repos, | 15:06 |
| ildikov | gordc: I started to check the Aodh one, I just got confused by the WIP sign | 15:06 |
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| r-mibu | liusheng, thanks! | 15:06 |
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| ildikov | r-mibu: cool, thanks for the clarifications | 15:06 |
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| gordc | ok. so final cut is in ~1 week | 15:07 |
| r-mibu | i will upload patches tomorrow, i'm working in my lab machine now... | 15:07 |
| gordc | Mar 14-18 | 15:07 |
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| _nadya_ | gordc: bug fixes can still be merged, right? | 15:07 |
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| gordc | r-mibu: ok. thanks. hopefully we can merge it in. | 15:07 |
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| r-mibu | ok, apologies for the delay :-p | 15:08 |
| gordc | _nadya_: yes, for next few weeks please test like crazy. | 15:08 |
| gordc | r-mibu: not a problem. | 15:08 |
| ildikov | gordc: final cut means FFE deadline, right? | 15:08 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: yep... | 15:08 |
| gordc | ildikov: yeah, rc1. i'm going to make executive decision and say if you can't get feature in for RC1, we'll push it to N* | 15:09 |
| gordc | ildikov: seems like the logical answer. | 15:09 |
| ildikov | gordc: yeah, right, this is what I meant | 15:09 |
| ildikov | gordc: tnx! | 15:10 |
| gordc | so yeah, everyone with +2/+A powers, please do not merge anything unless it's: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286469 | 15:10 |
| gordc | or https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:r-mibu%2540cq.jp.nec.com+status:open | 15:10 |
| gordc | or a bug | 15:11 |
| ildikov | gordc: -2ing other feature patches until N? | 15:11 |
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| gordc | ildikov: i've -2 a few. feel free to -2 if you like, but just remember you need to unblock it in a few weeks. | 15:12 |
| ildikov | gordc: I mean like what other projects are doing that "block this until next release" or we don't have that many? | 15:12 |
| gordc | ildikov: i would say just leave it unless you feel like -2'ing stuff. :) | 15:12 |
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| gordc | ildikov: i trust most of us to not merge stuff. | 15:12 |
| ityaptin-tablet | O/ | 15:12 |
| ildikov | gordc: ok, works for me, I'm not that eager with -2ing | 15:12 |
| gordc | but i guess if you think it's a feature pretending to be a bug, -2 it | 15:13 |
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| ildikov | gordc: it just can make it easier to remember that we are still in frozen state :) | 15:13 |
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| ildikov | gordc: ok, cool, crystal clear, tnx :) | 15:14 |
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| gordc | ildikov: cool cool. | 15:14 |
| _nadya_ | ok | 15:14 |
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| gordc | let's do a quick run through of projects (i don't think we have much to discuss) | 15:15 |
| gordc | #topic aodh topics | 15:15 |
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| gordc | just a heads up, i'm going to defer aodhclient in heat | 15:15 |
| gordc | i didn't get a response when i asked about FFE last week | 15:15 |
| gordc | and i also realised it's a crazy big change. | 15:15 |
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| gordc | if someone wants to work on heat+aodhclient, here's the patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284985/ | 15:16 |
| ildikov | then it sounds reasonable to defer | 15:16 |
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| gordc | feel free to take it over (i only got unit tests working) | 15:16 |
| liusheng | gordc: really a big change! | 15:17 |
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| gordc | liusheng: yeah, it was more work than i wanted | 15:17 |
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| gordc | liusheng: do you want to talk about 'aodh search --query' vs 'aodh list --query'? | 15:18 |
| gordc | we can defer to ML as well | 15:18 |
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| _nadya_ | gordc: this change goes to N? | 15:18 |
| liusheng | gordc: yeah, we can have a shot discussion | 15:18 |
| gordc | _nadya_: aodhclient support in heat? | 15:19 |
| liusheng | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283958/ | 15:19 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: yes | 15:19 |
| gordc | yeah, i'm not working on it. and i don't think heat wants to do it (no one replied when i asked about it last week) | 15:19 |
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| _nadya_ | gordc: I think I will be able to work on this soon | 15:20 |
| gordc | _nadya_: sure if you like. feel free to takeover my patch (or start from scratch) | 15:20 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: ok, cool | 15:20 |
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| gordc | #topic aodh - list vs search | 15:21 |
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| gordc | liusheng: go for it | 15:21 |
| liusheng | gordc: ok, I have a change try to drop the mandatory of "--type" in alarm list command | 15:22 |
| liusheng | do you have any thoughts about that ? | 15:22 |
| liusheng | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283958/ | 15:22 |
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| gordc | i don't mind dropping mandatory type. i think my question is what we want to do with list vs search | 15:23 |
| gordc | want to see if anyone has an opinion on this. | 15:23 |
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| _nadya_ | liusheng: what's the reason of dropping --type? | 15:24 |
| ildikov | does list with query equal to search | 15:24 |
| ildikov | ? | 15:24 |
| gordc | disclaimer: the format was taken from gnocchiclient | 15:24 |
| liusheng | yes, support query filters in "aodh alarm list" or support complex query in alarm search | 15:24 |
| liusheng | in ceilometercliet, we supportted both | 15:24 |
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| liusheng | _nadya_: I think it is not reasonable to force users specifying --type if they just want to list alarms | 15:25 |
| _nadya_ | liusheng: I see, agreed | 15:26 |
| liusheng | _nadya_: and, may be users want to get all the alarms in "ALARM" state and regardless the type | 15:26 |
| _nadya_ | liusheng: so the question "what filters should be supported in alarm list and alarm search"? | 15:27 |
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| liusheng | _nadya_: no, we have support almost all the query filters by "alarm search" (complex query), so gordon think we don't need duplicated functionaities in "alarm list" | 15:28 |
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| gordc | _nadya_: so in gnocchiclient, list doesn't really have any filters (just how much details are shown). search is what you use to filter | 15:29 |
| gordc | liusheng: i think it's confusing to have query in both list and search. we should unify them. | 15:29 |
| gordc | either a) move all filtering capability to search | 15:30 |
| liusheng | but it has been already supportted in aodh-api :) | 15:30 |
| gordc | or b) drop search and move everythin to list | 15:30 |
| gordc | right so there will be --query and --complex-query options... but they should both be under same command. | 15:31 |
| gordc | it just seems confusing to have list --query and search --query | 15:31 |
| gordc | or maybe that's just me. | 15:31 |
| ildikov | I tend to agree that it causes confusion | 15:31 |
| ildikov | it looks momre reasonable under search | 15:31 |
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| ildikov | s/momre/more/ | 15:32 |
| liusheng | gordc: I thinks it is better to support filters in alarm list, maybe we can support them both temporally ? | 15:32 |
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| gordc | liusheng: drop alarm search command then? | 15:32 |
| ildikov | what if we call query as filter for alarm list? | 15:32 |
| _nadya_ | got it. IIUC, "list" and "search" both return the list of results. Tend to agree that these commands look very similar | 15:32 |
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| gordc | _nadya_: right | 15:33 |
| liusheng | gordc: since we have plan to support pagination in the future, yes, I think pagination and filtering query is enough | 15:33 |
| ildikov | and keep complex-query for search or pick one and stick with that | 15:33 |
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| liusheng | what do you think ? | 15:33 |
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| gordc | are we dropping alarm search command? i don't mind this. | 15:34 |
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| gordc | i think right now it's not obvious what diff between list --query|filter vs search --query is... | 15:34 |
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| ildikov | I would drop list, but I think it's just a matter of taste :) | 15:35 |
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| liusheng | gordc: I prefer that, but I respect all of your opinions | 15:36 |
| gordc | :) | 15:36 |
| gordc | we should drop one, or leave all filtering (complex and regular) capabilities in search | 15:36 |
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| gordc | gnocchiclient uses second approach | 15:37 |
| gordc | i think most clients for other projects, use first approach. | 15:37 |
| ildikov | do we have any intention to keep these clients similar? | 15:37 |
| liusheng | agree, if we just support "alarm list" without any parameter, it is equal to "alarm search" with no parameter specified | 15:37 |
| ildikov | I mean what is under Telemetry umbrella | 15:37 |
| _nadya_ | +1 to drop one. but the question is in backward-compatibility. Do we care about it? or aodhclient is a new one and we don't want to mantain ceilometer alarming there? | 15:38 |
| gordc | ildikov: no plans. i just happened to build aodhclient off gnocchiclient becuase it was using all the latest libs | 15:38 |
| gordc | _nadya_: i think we can ignore backward-compatbility (for now) :) | 15:39 |
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| ildikov | gordc: sure, I meant that you referred to it as it uses the second approach so we might keep aodhclient similar so that who uses both knows what to expect | 15:39 |
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| liusheng | for backward-compatibility, we need support both :) | 15:39 |
| gordc | ildikov: right. or if you use one, you get get confused.lol | 15:40 |
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| ildikov | hmm, maybe we can still do things now quickly and tell people that they don't remember correctly that aodhclient supported this or that... ;) | 15:40 |
| ildikov | gordc: why would I use only one? ;) | 15:41 |
| gordc | liusheng: i don't have a recommendation, maybe defer to ML? | 15:42 |
| gordc | unless someone has a strong opinion righ tnow | 15:42 |
| gordc | right now* | 15:43 |
| liusheng | gordc: OK, I will open a thread in ML | 15:43 |
| gordc | liusheng: thanks! | 15:43 |
| gordc | #topic ceilometer topics | 15:43 |
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| _nadya_ | yep, it would be better to discuss it in ML | 15:43 |
| gordc | anything here? | 15:43 |
| ifat_afek | hi | 15:43 |
| ifat_afek | you switched to ceilometer topic, but can I take 2 min to talk about aodh-vitrage integration? or should I do it in ML? | 15:44 |
| gordc | sure. | 15:44 |
| gordc | we have nothing for ceilometer anyways | 15:44 |
| gordc | #topic aodh+vitrage integration | 15:44 |
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| gordc | ifat_afek: go for it | 15:45 |
| ifat_afek | so we started working on aodh-vitrage integration. basically, it has 3 parts: | 15:45 |
| ifat_afek | 1. vitrage should periodically query aodh alarms. this seems quite straight forward | 15:45 |
| ifat_afek | 2. vitrage should be notified whenever an aodh alarm state is changed. this is more complicated, and we decided to implement it at a later stage | 15:45 |
| ifat_afek | 3. vitrage should trigger deduced alarms (vitrage alarms) in aodh. this is also not trivial | 15:45 |
| ifat_afek | I created two blueprints, for #1 and #3. I will be happy to get your feedback about them. | 15:45 |
| ifat_afek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287686 | 15:45 |
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| ifat_afek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287861 | 15:45 |
| ifat_afek | there is much more information in vitrage wiki page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Vitrage | 15:46 |
| gordc | ifat_afek: cool cool, we can comment on the specs | 15:47 |
| gordc | i think #2 is possible since we have zaqar notifier but i haven't really tried | 15:47 |
| ifat_afek | gordc: that would be great, thanks | 15:47 |
| ifat_afek | we do plan to implement #2, but for now we will focus on 1 and 3 | 15:48 |
| gordc | cool cool, so i guess aodh devs can comment there. | 15:49 |
| liusheng | ifat_afek: hi, thanks, what is main reason for periodically querying aodh alarms ? | 15:49 |
| _nadya_ | ifat_afek: will vitrage create it's own alarms in aodh? | 15:49 |
| ifat_afek | liusheng: we would like to have all aodh alarms in vitrage for rca and deduced alarms calculations. and doing periodic query seems easier than getting notifications about changes... | 15:49 |
| ifat_afek | _nadya_: we would like to do this. this is the purpose of the #3 | 15:50 |
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| liusheng | ifat_afek: will look the specs, thanks :) | 15:51 |
| ifat_afek | liusheng: great, thanks! | 15:52 |
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| gordc | cool cool. open discussion? | 15:52 |
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| gordc | #topic open discussion | 15:52 |
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| gordc | just an fyi, ~1 week until PTL self-nominations if anyone is interested. | 15:52 |
| gordc | that's all i have | 15:53 |
| liusheng | do you have any plan about the Bug smash ? :-) | 15:53 |
| liusheng | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Mitaka-Bugs | 15:53 |
| gordc | liusheng: not formally. we have a lot of bugs though in aodh/ceilometer/gnocchi :) | 15:53 |
| liusheng | gordc: :) | 15:55 |
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| gordc | sorry folks, i have to run to a meeting. we all good? | 15:55 |
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| gordc | cool cool. | 15:56 |
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| gordc | thanks everyone again | 15:56 |
| gordc | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 3 15:56:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telemetry/2016/telemetry.2016-03-03-15.01.html | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telemetry/2016/telemetry.2016-03-03-15.01.txt | 15:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telemetry/2016/telemetry.2016-03-03-15.01.log.html | 15:56 |
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| emagana | hello folks.. anyone for the Networking Guide meeting? | 15:59 |
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| Sam-I-Am | emagana: moo? | 16:00 |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am: Yes! One more | 16:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | heh | 16:02 |
| emagana | #startmeeting networking-guide | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 3 16:03:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is emagana. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking-guide)" | 16:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_guide' | 16:03 |
| emagana | let's go for it. | 16:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | hi | 16:03 |
| emagana | It seems that we have minimal attendence today | 16:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | surprise! | 16:03 |
| emagana | but we have had a lot of activity on gerrit which is good. | 16:04 |
| emagana | Anyway.. let's go quickly over this one. | 16:04 |
| emagana | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| emagana | Sam-I-Am: ANything? | 16:04 |
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| emagana | BTW. I want you to give a quick update on the neutron mid cycle but a bit later.. | 16:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | not much. mostly focusing on the install guide. also working on some neutron things like fixing mtu. | 16:05 |
| emagana | let's move directly to the update | 16:05 |
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| emagana | #topic neutron mid-cycle update | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "neutron mid-cycle update (Meeting topic: networking-guide)" | 16:05 | |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am: Do you want to share the highlights? | 16:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think armax sent a pretty detailed post to the mailing list | 16:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | but one of the big things for us (docs) was fixing mtu | 16:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats been a problem for a looooong time | 16:06 |
| emagana | indeed he did.. | 16:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | second to that, i had a chance to help a few people learn how to contribute to docs | 16:06 |
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| emagana | let me try to find out the link to his email | 16:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so we're seeing contributions from neutron folks now | 16:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/087693.html | 16:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/087693.html | 16:07 |
| emagana | you bet me | 16:08 |
| emagana | That is great and yes I have seen more contributions.. | 16:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | its nice | 16:09 |
| emagana | I am happy about the MTU action items ;-) | 16:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | still need to update the scenarios for mitaka :/ | 16:09 |
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| emagana | If you need help, let me know. If you start with one I can help with others and get more people to help as well | 16:10 |
| emagana | anything else on this topic? | 16:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | nothing from me | 16:11 |
| emagana | ok.. moving on | 16:11 |
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| emagana | anything to chat about previous action items? | 16:12 |
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| emagana | for instance: Clean up file names and references to meet conventions - Update | 16:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think i mostly finished that | 16:12 |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am: great! | 16:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | however, i'm starting to think we need a little reorganization of content to match whats coming in | 16:13 |
| emagana | What about: Modify legacy and L3HA scenarios to support attaching VMs to public/external/provider networks? | 16:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thats not done | 16:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats a lot of work | 16:13 |
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| emagana | let's keep it as WIP :-) | 16:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | probably post install guide at this point | 16:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | might be a backport to the mitaka guide | 16:14 |
| emagana | sounds good! | 16:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | the day job has me booked solid | 16:14 |
| emagana | #topic Open Agenda | 16:14 |
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| emagana | I want to know if Sam-I-Am can help on merging this one: | 16:15 |
| emagana | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278128/ | 16:15 |
| emagana | looks ready to go from my point of view.. | 16:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | looking | 16:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'd have to look at it more closely | 16:17 |
| emagana | it's ok | 16:17 |
| emagana | take your time | 16:17 |
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| emagana | that's all I have for Open Agenda. Anything from anyone? (which means Sam-I-Am :-) | 16:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | looks close though | 16:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | haha | 16:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | nothing else here | 16:17 |
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| emagana | ok.. let's close this one.. | 16:18 |
| emagana | Thanks Sam-I-Am | 16:18 |
| emagana | #endmeeting | 16:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 3 16:18:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_guide/2016/networking_guide.2016-03-03-16.03.html | 16:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_guide/2016/networking_guide.2016-03-03-16.03.txt | 16:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_guide/2016/networking_guide.2016-03-03-16.03.log.html | 16:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thx edgar | 16:19 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 3 17:00:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | hi, who's here today? | 17:00 |
| dpaterson | o/ | 17:01 |
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| tosky | hi | 17:01 |
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| jlanoux | hi | 17:01 |
| jordan__ | hi | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | today's agenda: | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_March_3rd_2016_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | oomichi, andreaf: around? | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | ok, let's get started | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | #topic Specs Reviews | 17:02 |
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| oomichi | mtreinish: hi | 17:03 |
| ylobankov | hi | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | we've got a few open spec reviews (I think some of that is the fallout from the code sprint last week) | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | it'd be good if people put some eyes on those when they get a chance | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have any open spec review they'd like to discuss? | 17:04 |
| jordan__ | I don't (just to say I am reading thisà | 17:04 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: one thing | 17:04 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: what is "Move reintegrate-tempest-lib spec to implemented" ? | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: the bp is closed so that is just house keeping to say its done :) | 17:05 |
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| oomichi | the code of tempest-lib is already merged into tempest now. so what is that? | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | oomichi: it just moves the file into the implemented subdir | 17:05 |
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| oomichi | mtreinish: ah, ok. the spec should be approved soon :-) | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | jordan__: which one are you reading? | 17:06 |
| jordan__ | (reading the channel) | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | ah, ok | 17:07 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have anything else to discuss on this topic? | 17:07 |
| oomichi | nothing from me | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | ok, lets move on then | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Priority Items | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-qa-priorities | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | so IIRC mitaka-3 is this week | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | looking at the priority list there are 3 items listed for M3 | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | tempest cli, resource configuration, and finish plugin decomposition for non base layer projects | 17:10 |
| dpaterson | I am getting back on wrapping run next week | 17:11 |
| dpaterson | that should close cli bp when completed | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | I'm assigned that last 1 and it's still in progress. We're down to just trove, heat, ceilo, and sahara in tree iirc | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: ok, cool | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | for tempest that is, I need to check the plugins in devstack and grenade too | 17:12 |
| oomichi | service client thing also should be shifted to M3 now, will make sumarry for the next meeting | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | I still hope to have that finished by the end of the cycle | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: ok, thanks | 17:13 |
| jordan__ | I thought ceilo was done | 17:13 |
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| oomichi | mtreinish: yeah, that should be done | 17:13 |
| jordan__ | there's at least a WIP somewhere | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | jordan__: they have the patches up to add a plugin | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | but nothing to remove it from the tempest side | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | if the plugin patches landed we can go ahead and remove the tempest code | 17:13 |
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| oomichi | ironic code still exist in tempest side even if they implemented it in project side. | 17:14 |
| jordan__ | mtreinish, do you have a link to that plugin patch ? | 17:15 |
| oomichi | does that(removing the code from temest) depend on each project policy or something? | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: sigh, I forgot about that. Ok, 1 more project to add to the list of people I need to harass | 17:15 |
| devananda | oomichi: we have to leave it there for stable branch testing | 17:15 |
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| oomichi | devananda: yeah, that is a nice point. | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | devananda: no you don't, you just need to install the plugin against tempest in the venv | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | and add that to your stable jobs | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | jordan__: so I just checked the base plugin landed already in ceilo, but there are no tests | 17:16 |
| devananda | mtreinish: stable branches of ironic do not have the plugin | 17:16 |
| jordan__ | ok | 17:16 |
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| mtreinish | jordan__: https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/tree/master/ceilometer/tests/tempest | 17:16 |
| devananda | mtreinish: oh, i see. install master ironic in a venv alongside tempest, and use that to test stable ironic? ... interesting | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | devananda: yes | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | devananda: that's how tempest does it because it's branchless | 17:17 |
| devananda | jroll: ^ | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | devananda: it's part of the reason I always advocate making the tempest plugin live in a seperate project (it makes that much easier) | 17:17 |
| jroll | hi | 17:18 |
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| devananda | mtreinish: huh, well, I believe we followed the docs, which didn't suggest that. </sigh> | 17:18 |
| jroll | devananda: mtreinish: yeah, this is on my list to investigate this week | 17:18 |
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| oomichi | mtreinish: interesting idea | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | devananda: I can add that to the docs (I guess I forgot to add that suggestion when I wrote them) | 17:18 |
| jroll | but yeah, once we fix this bit, we can drop the ironic code from tempest | 17:19 |
| devananda | mtreinish: it makes sense. thanks :) | 17:19 |
| oomichi | this kind of thing will be helpful for the other projects also | 17:19 |
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| mtreinish | ok, is there anything else to discuss on this topic? | 17:20 |
| oomichi | the one point is that we need to run stable tests if changing master tempest-like tests on each project | 17:20 |
| oomichi | on the above mtreinish's idea. | 17:20 |
| oomichi | for checking tempest-like test change works for stable branch | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: well I thought we decided in yvr that it was a project level decision to define there own stable testing policy for this | 17:21 |
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| jordan__ | yes | 17:22 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: yeah, that should | 17:22 |
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| oomichi | but the stable team is different from project core team now, that also is difficult to maintain each project repo | 17:23 |
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| mtreinish | like we were making a bright line on things we were going to worry about (and those were things with in tree tests) | 17:23 |
| oomichi | yeah, nice to discuss it on your doc patch ;-) | 17:24 |
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| jlanoux | mtreinish: jordan__ Now that tempest_lib is back in Tempest, what's going on with the migration? Shall we still migrate things in tempest.lib? | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | well sort of, the stable team is even smaller than qa (I'm involved in both) and it's the same self service approach for the most part | 17:24 |
| jordan__ | jlanoux, yes. as far as i know | 17:25 |
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| jordan__ | that's what I read in the spec | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | jlanoux: yes, to continue getting the advantages of code updates you should change tempest_lib to tempest.lib | 17:25 |
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| mtreinish | but the old tempest-lib repo isn't ever going away, it just won't get updates | 17:25 |
| jlanoux | mtreinish: jordan__ ok - thanks | 17:26 |
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| mtreinish | ok, I think we should move on to the next topic now | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | #topic Tempest | 17:26 |
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| mtreinish | tosky: you put an item in the agenda for this right? | 17:27 |
| tosky | mtreinish: dmellado did it, he couldn't attent now | 17:27 |
| tosky | so I can talk about it | 17:27 |
| tosky | attend* | 17:27 |
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| tosky | if you don't have other points for that topic | 17:27 |
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| mtreinish | tosky: go ahead, you're on the agenda so you get to go first :) | 17:28 |
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| tosky | so briefly: this could be just a downstream (packaging) problem, but an opinion is highly appreciated | 17:28 |
| tosky | in RDO we are starting to package test code in separate subpackages (usually service-tests), this include the code which uses the Tempest Plugin interface | 17:29 |
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| jordan__ | (I have to go now, sorry. Opinion needed here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248355/) | 17:30 |
| tosky | and what happens is that the entry point for the plugin interface, coming from setup.cfg, ends up in a common package with the code (like, python-<servicename>) | 17:30 |
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| mtreinish | jordan__: ok, no worries | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248355/ | 17:30 |
| tosky | if you have just that one, without <servicename>-tests, and you run testr list-tests (or tempest cli), then testr complains with an exception | 17:31 |
| mtreinish | tosky: right because you added an entrypoint without any code for that path | 17:31 |
| tosky | exactly: the exception was added explicitly: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1474765 | 17:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1474765 in tempest "Discovery ignores plugin errors" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Marc Koderer (m-koderer) | 17:31 |
| mtreinish | so the load_tests hook tries to import that code during discovery and it can't | 17:31 |
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| tosky | the possible annoyance is that if you just install openstack-tempest, you basically need to manually install all the packages with tests even if you don't need to use them, and having the tempest rpm depend on all the -tests package is a bit complicated to maintain | 17:32 |
| tosky | so the question is whether you could suggest a solution, or if you think it's not a real problem (just documentation on our side), etc | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | tosky: I'm not sure we want to change that. I think being explicit and failing when you can't use a plugin because it doesn't work for whatever reason is better | 17:33 |
| tosky | yes, I understand that | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | when you think about using this in any automated testing if you install a broken plugin and it just logs a warning and moves on you'll get successful results even though your tests didn't run | 17:34 |
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| mtreinish | I think we can try to make this more clear in the tempest docs and the runtime failure more obvious (if it's not already) | 17:34 |
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| mtreinish | but I think erring on the side of failure is the correct behavior | 17:35 |
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| tosky | yes, I guess there is no way to distinguish an intended failure (because the code is not installed by choice) | 17:35 |
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| tosky | and it's not possible to split the entry points in a subpackage | 17:36 |
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| tosky | okidoki, thanks for clarifying this | 17:36 |
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| mtreinish | tosky: well you could patch it out of sahara and add a separate setup.cfg to your tests package | 17:37 |
| tosky | uhm , with just the entry point | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | but this kinda of complexity is the other part of why I advocate doing tempest plugins in seperate projects/repos | 17:37 |
| tosky | not sure it's possible with rpm, the splitting of packages is done at "installation" time | 17:37 |
| tosky | I see, right | 17:38 |
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| mtreinish | tosky: yeah, I think you'd have to get a bit clever in the spec file. It would require moving a bunch of stuff around | 17:38 |
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| mtreinish | it's doable I think, but probably not worth it | 17:38 |
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| tosky | right | 17:39 |
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| mtreinish | ok, is there anything else to discuss on tempest this week? | 17:41 |
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| mtreinish | ok, then let's move on | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | #topic Devstack + Grenade | 17:42 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have anything to discuss on devstack or grenade this week? | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer, sdague: ? | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | sc68cal: ? | 17:43 |
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| sc68cal | I think we have a patch up to do a DVR multinode grenade job | 17:43 |
| * sc68cal digs up link | 17:43 | |
| sc68cal | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250215 | 17:44 |
| sc68cal | oh. It merged. | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | sc68cal: heh | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | well I was gonna a make a joke about the failure rate on that job, but I guess we can look it up now :) | 17:44 |
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| sc68cal | I am hoping to be pleasantly surprised | 17:45 |
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| mtreinish | ok, is there anything else on this topic? | 17:46 |
| sc68cal | that's all I have so far. Devstack neutron refactor is still in progress. I'm at the point where I need to create the networks that tempest expects for running tests | 17:46 |
| sc68cal | without making it as messy as neutron-legacy | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | sc68cal: oh fun, I tried digging into the neutron-legacy side for that a month or so ago when we had a gate failure on tempest's network usage | 17:47 |
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| mtreinish | so I'm really looking forward to not staring at it for an hour and coming up with basically nothing to show for it :) | 17:47 |
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| mtreinish | ok, lets move on | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:48 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have any open reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on? | 17:49 |
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| mtreinish | well I have 2 quick ones this week: | 17:50 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/287308 | 17:50 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/283266 | 17:50 |
| mtreinish | although dims is the only other active +2 on that 2nd link | 17:50 |
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| mtreinish | ok, if there aren't any other reviews I'll open the floor | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | #topic Open Discussion | 17:52 |
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| jlanoux | quick question: what is the status on nova network? | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | in the last ~7min does anyone have a topic not on the agenda they'd like to discuss? | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | jlanoux: like when is it going away? | 17:53 |
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| jlanoux | mtreinish: yes or is it ok to move nova network calls to neutron ones in Tempest? | 17:53 |
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| mtreinish | jlanoux: we need to support both for the forseeable future. It's not even deprecate yet | 17:54 |
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| jlanoux | mtreinish: okidoki | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | and we also have to support the stable branches | 17:54 |
| jlanoux | ok - thanks | 17:54 |
| tosky | quick question (maybe) when a set of API tests is moved outside tempest to a project repository | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | so even if it were to go away in newton (which would be 6months too fast) we couldn't get rid of it in tempest until mitaka-eol | 17:55 |
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| jlanoux | ok | 17:55 |
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| oomichi | ssh timeout thing. | 17:55 |
| oomichi | can we discuss it now? | 17:55 |
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| tosky | do you suggest, or at least would you not be against, a procedure which involve importing the history of that code in the project repository, instead of a dump of the last version? Did anyone do it? | 17:55 |
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| mtreinish | tosky: you should use master tests of everything just venv isolate tempest and the plugin and run it against a stable service | 17:56 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: we can, but there are only ~3min left :) | 17:56 |
| tosky | mtreinish: it's not about running it, it's about the procedure of moving the code | 17:57 |
| oomichi | the ssh timeout happens on scenario tests only without api tests now. | 17:57 |
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| oomichi | but as https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283795/ discussion, have we already seen the reason why that happens on scenario tests only? | 17:57 |
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| mtreinish | oomichi: we don't run ssh on api tests in the default configuration | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | tosky: I'm not sure I understand what you're asking about | 17:58 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: ah, I see the point. | 17:58 |
| tosky | mtreinish: when you move the code, you usually just dump the last version of the moved code in a review; I'd like to keep the history instead | 17:58 |
| jlanoux | oomichi: you can look at the non-voting ssh job for data | 17:58 |
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| oomichi | jlanoux: ah, thanks. will dig it later deeply | 17:59 |
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| mtreinish | tosky: oh, so editing history is never the right thing to do | 17:59 |
| jlanoux | oomichi: np | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | it messes everything up, and it doesn't work in the upstream system | 17:59 |
| tosky | mtreinish: and that's not the thing I want to do :) | 17:59 |
| oomichi | jlanoux: so the conculusion is just network problem, right? | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | tosky well we've got 10 secs, so let's pick this up in -qa | 17:59 |
| tosky | ack | 17:59 |
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| mtreinish | ok, we're at time | 18:00 |
| oomichi | jlanoux: not ssh problem | 18:00 |
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| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 18:00 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 3 18:00:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: gonna be a few minutes late for the meeting | 18:58 |
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| navidp | o/ | 18:58 |
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| rtheis | o/ | 18:59 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: roger | 18:59 |
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| dtroyer | #startmeeting openstackclient | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 3 19:00:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:00 |
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| dtroyer | Hi all… who is here for OSC meeting? | 19:01 |
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| navidp | I am | 19:01 |
| rtheis | o/ | 19:01 |
| rtheis | hi | 19:01 |
| singhj | same here | 19:02 |
| singhj | hi | 19:02 |
| navidp | hi | 19:02 |
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| dtroyer | Let's get started… | 19:03 |
| dtroyer | #topic reviews | 19:03 |
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| dtroyer | Anyone have specific reviews to talk about? | 19:03 |
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| rtheis | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288056/ | 19:03 |
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| navidp | I have auth migration from ksc to ksa https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276350/ | 19:04 |
| rtheis | I think a recent nova API validation change broke osc and nova aggregate create | 19:04 |
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| dtroyer | nice | 19:04 |
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| dtroyer | is that blocking more than just OSC? | 19:05 |
| rtheis | This patch should unblock the gate and we can look at reverting once nova is fixed | 19:05 |
| rtheis | I'm not aware of others being blocked | 19:05 |
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| dtroyer | the linked bug looks to be totally different | 19:06 |
| rtheis | I asked on openstack-nova channel but no response | 19:06 |
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| rtheis | yeah, but it resulted in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281143/ which I *think* is the cause | 19:07 |
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| dtroyer | The last time we went down a path like this they basically didn't want to do anything to the client lib..this time I don't think they'll be able to ignore it of the nova CLI is affected too | 19:07 |
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| dtroyer | ok, I see now at the bottom… | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | I +2'd it, poke stevemar when he shows up…or after check run completes | 19:09 |
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| rtheis | will do | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | navidp: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276350/ | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | I've been looking at that this morning, haven't posted my comments yet | 19:09 |
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| dtroyer | I went down the rabbit hole of looking at my previous attempts to do this…they all involved varying amounts of occ pain | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | I like that you're not going there yet | 19:10 |
| navidp | dtroyer, thanks, wanted to check the approach i took confirms | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | I posted my comments…basically you're changing OSC's TokenEndpoint class in an incompatible way | 19:11 |
| navidp | i thought if it would get accepted then we can start deprecating osc plugins or else | 19:11 |
| dtroyer | we'll probably never remove OSC's TokenEndpoint, jamielennox doesn't like it and we can't use his version | 19:11 |
| dtroyer | OSCGenericPassword may be able to go away soon | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | it probably already can' although the problem it works around is still in the wild | 19:12 |
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| navidp | I used admin token for osc token endpoint as i compared it to the ksc. | 19:13 |
| navidp | dtroyer, do you want to add deprecation for osc_password ? | 19:14 |
| rtheis | how does this related to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225318/ ? two different fixes to same problem? | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | monty's goes way far and attempts to (in an incompatible way) move everything to occ | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | I've tried that three times myself already | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | since that was written. also, it's way old | 19:15 |
| rtheis | ok | 19:15 |
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| dtroyer | a lot in occ has changed since then, I'm not sure how much of that stevemar took into account in his rebase | 19:15 |
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| navidp | I thought this way we can initiate it and go further step by step without breaking everything. | 19:16 |
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| dtroyer | navidp: exactly. but we also need to make sure we have tests to ensure we don't break compatibility | 19:16 |
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| dtroyer | any other reviews? | 19:17 |
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| navidp | dtroyer, sure and thanks | 19:18 |
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| singhj | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273670/ | 19:18 |
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| rtheis | singhj: I plan to take a look today | 19:18 |
| singhj | just need to get this signed off on soon , 'port list' and 'port set' depend on it | 19:18 |
| singhj | rtheis: thanks | 19:18 |
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| rtheis | Last I checked it look pretty good | 19:19 |
| rtheis | yw | 19:19 |
| brad_behle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279273/ | 19:19 |
| rtheis | any specific concerns? | 19:19 |
| dtroyer | I had not gotten back to that one today yet… | 19:19 |
| rtheis | singhj ^ | 19:19 |
| singhj | rtheis: nothing from me | 19:19 |
| rtheis | ok | 19:20 |
| dtroyer | singhj: will do after a bit, it was just details left for me | 19:20 |
| brad_behle | rtheis already has reviewed the one I just posted and +2'd it, and at least one other patch depends on it so I was hoping to merge it today. | 19:20 |
| singhj | dtroyer: cool, thanks | 19:20 |
| rtheis | brad_behle: thanks for making those changes | 19:21 |
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| dtroyer | brad_behle: I don't think I've looked at it closely yet, will add to the list | 19:21 |
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| brad_behle | rtheis: thanks for the reviews, that subnet create has taken a while, a lot of parms to get right and documented | 19:22 |
| brad_behle | dtroyer: thanks! | 19:22 |
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| dtroyer | creates are often hard like that… | 19:22 |
| * dtroyer started with server create back in the day | 19:22 | |
| rtheis | no other reviews from me | 19:23 |
| dtroyer | I wanted to bring up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284708/ | 19:23 |
| dtroyer | one question I have is about adding a 'backup' action | 19:23 |
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| dtroyer | we already have it as an object name | 19:24 |
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| dtroyer | also, I'm not aure how this differs from server image breate | 19:24 |
| dtroyer | (aside from the obvious calls-a-different-manager-method) | 19:24 |
| dtroyer | I am wondering if anyone else things having an object and action with the same name might be confusing | 19:25 |
| dtroyer | also, 'server backup' is actually what is being created: server backup create | 19:25 |
| rtheis | good question ... I do think it is confusing | 19:25 |
| dtroyer | the existing 'bakcup' object may need to be qualified too…I think it is a volume now? | 19:26 |
| rtheis | right | 19:26 |
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| dtroyer | ok, any other reviews? | 19:27 |
| rtheis | I'll add this one to the review list | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | #topic bugs | 19:28 |
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| dtroyer | How about bugs that need attention? | 19:28 |
| rtheis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1543335 | 19:28 |
| openstack | rtheis: Error: malone bug 1543335 not found | 19:28 |
| rtheis | I think this is a security bug that is private | 19:29 |
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| dtroyer | it is, the question is who determines the default interface to use in that case? | 19:30 |
| dtroyer | could be ksc? | 19:30 |
| rtheis | yeah | 19:30 |
| dtroyer | also, we don't have security bugs in this fashion normally because there is nothing that OSC does that can'tbe done with curl | 19:31 |
| rtheis | I wanted to run it by stevemar too | 19:31 |
| rtheis | yep | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | API-wise anyway | 19:31 |
| rtheis | maybe filed against wrong project | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | well, it's logical to start with the thing you are using…we need to decide if it's OSc or ksc chosing which interface to use | 19:32 |
| dtroyer | by default | 19:32 |
| rtheis | sure | 19:32 |
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| dtroyer | any other bugs? | 19:33 |
| rtheis | nothing else | 19:34 |
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| dtroyer | #topic open discussion | 19:35 |
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| dtroyer | What is on your minds? | 19:36 |
| rtheis | human vs machine readable output: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-neutronclient/+bug/1524624 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281501/ | 19:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1524624 in python-neutronclient "result should not be changed by column formatter when JSON/YAML format is specified" [Low,Won't fix] - Assigned to Akihiro Motoki (amotoki) | 19:36 |
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| rtheis | sounds like cliff 2.0 has some features to address this | 19:36 |
| rtheis | I know we do a lot of formatting dicts and lists when showing or listing resources | 19:37 |
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| dtroyer | it does? I just proposed a flag to cliff for marking formatters as machine-parsable or not | 19:37 |
| dtroyer | did I miss something already there? | 19:37 |
| dtroyer | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287536/ | 19:37 |
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| dtroyer | I think we go ahead with Brandon's fix for now though…although that hard-coded table name is ugly | 19:38 |
| dtroyer | aaaaand…this is something that we should extend to all of the other areas we re-format returned data from the responses | 19:39 |
| rtheis | ok | 19:39 |
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| dtroyer | but not yet…not with a hard-coded name in it | 19:39 |
| rtheis | how do we extend this ? sorry I'm a little slow to catch up on this | 19:40 |
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| dtroyer | many other commands re-format returned dicts and lists for output to de-pythonize them | 19:41 |
| rtheis | define our formatters as not human readable? | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | that is part a, yes | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | part b is checling for machine-parsable in the commands themselves | 19:41 |
| rtheis | ok | 19:41 |
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| rtheis | should I open a bug for this or blueprint? | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | your choice. if you want to make a list and track progress against it that is easier to do as a bp | 19:42 |
| rtheis | we would need cliff 2.0 or later too? | 19:43 |
| dtroyer | whenever my proposed review is merged and released, yes | 19:43 |
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| rtheis | ok, I'll get a bp opened | 19:44 |
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| navidp | dtroyer, about ksa admin token class, it will return a token endpoint plugin_class at https://github.com/openstack/keystoneauth/blob/master/keystoneauth1/loading/_plugins/admin_token.py#L19-L21 | 19:44 |
| navidp | regardin the comment https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276350/9/openstackclient/api/auth_plugin.py | 19:45 |
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| navidp | or I make a mistake here ? | 19:45 |
| dtroyer | my point is simply that ksa doesn't have a class that does the right thing for us, we have to make it ourselves. | 19:46 |
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| navidp | dtroyer, ok got it | 19:46 |
| dtroyer | because we have existing behaviour that ksa doen't want to handle | 19:46 |
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| navidp | correct | 19:46 |
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| rtheis | On a related note to output formatting ... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287005/ ... is the osc output compatibility promise for column and field names only? | 19:47 |
| dtroyer | at one point (long ago) I said that there was no promise regarding output at all | 19:48 |
| dtroyer | now we can't go that far | 19:48 |
| dtroyer | I'm torn, but column names do get used in scripts, etc as -c arguments so we should at least make note of them | 19:49 |
| rtheis | ok | 19:49 |
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| dtroyer | ok, if there isn't anything else, I'll close before stevemar comes and makes us listen to the Blue Jay's spring training woes | 19:50 |
| rtheis | :) | 19:50 |
| rtheis | nothing else | 19:50 |
| navidp | :) | 19:50 |
| MeganR | I'm good - please close :) | 19:50 |
| rtheis | I say go Twins | 19:50 |
| dtroyer | do I have to send you a world series shirt too rtheis? | 19:51 |
| dtroyer | ok, thanks everyone! | 19:52 |
| rtheis | sure `87 or `91 world series would be awesome :) | 19:52 |
| rtheis | thanks | 19:52 |
| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 19:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:52 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 3 19:52:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:52 |
| dtroyer | :) | 19:52 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-03-03-19.00.html | 19:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-03-03-19.00.txt | 19:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-03-03-19.00.log.html | 19:52 |
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| bauzas | nova meeting ? | 21:01 |
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| mriedem | is there a meeting today? | 21:02 |
| markusz | should be | 21:02 |
| bauzas | yup | 21:02 |
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| dansmith | mah, can it | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 3 21:02:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:02 |
| mriedem | dansmith: never! | 21:02 |
| tonyb | buit I have an open discussion item! | 21:02 |
| rlrossit_ | o/ | 21:02 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:02 |
| doffm | o\ | 21:02 |
| edleafe- | o/ | 21:02 |
| tonyb | mriedem: +1 | 21:02 |
| ctrath | o/ | 21:03 |
| bauzas | \o | 21:03 |
| scottda | hi | 21:03 |
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| markusz | o/ | 21:03 |
| cdent | o/ | 21:03 |
| mriedem | real mature | 21:03 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:03 |
| mriedem | #topic release status | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:03 | |
| mriedem | Mar 1-3, Mitaka-3 and feature freeze, Final release for client libraries, Soft String Freeze, etc. | 21:03 |
| tonyb | dansmith: so talking then? | 21:03 |
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| mriedem | http://docs.openstack.org/releases/schedules/mitaka.html | 21:03 |
| mriedem | #link release schedule http://docs.openstack.org/releases/schedules/mitaka.html | 21:03 |
| dansmith | tonyb: ouch | 21:03 |
| bauzas | so, m3 landed | 21:03 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy was -2ing things today | 21:03 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:03 |
| mriedem | Looking out for release critical bugs, potential release blocker | 21:04 |
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| mriedem | #link release blocker bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=mitaka-rc-potential | 21:04 |
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| mriedem | i think we have a few already | 21:04 |
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| mriedem | #link review focus list https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:05 |
| tonyb | and add mitaka-backport-potential | 21:05 |
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| mriedem | note new section "Mitaka-RC blockers" has a gerrit query for mitaka blocker patches | 21:05 |
| bauzas | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking has some RC blockers already | 21:05 |
| bauzas | snap | 21:05 |
| mriedem | step off bro! | 21:05 |
| bauzas | meh | 21:05 |
| mriedem | yeah, i haven't seen that yet | 21:05 |
| * bauzas yawms | 21:05 | |
| mriedem | i was doing bug triage today though and there is at least one api regression it looks like | 21:05 |
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| mriedem | any questions on the release? | 21:06 |
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| markusz | tonyb: mitaka-rc-potential | 21:06 |
| tonyb | markusz: that too. | 21:06 |
| mriedem | markusz: yeah, that first | 21:06 |
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| mriedem | anything that doesn't make the rc becomes backport potential | 21:06 |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 21:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:06 | |
| markusz | yeah, makes sense | 21:06 |
| mriedem | #link gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 21:06 |
| jaypipes | grr my Nova meeting calendar events are reversed still :( | 21:06 |
| tonyb | markusz: I was thinking of bugs that we see now that aren't good for the RC stage but we want to land in mitaka once it's stable/mitaka | 21:06 |
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| tonyb | jaypipes: use the one true ical :D | 21:07 |
| mriedem | so, gate status | 21:07 |
| mriedem | we made the ceph job non-voting earlier in the week | 21:07 |
| tonyb | jaypipes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/calendars/octavia-meeting.ics | 21:07 |
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| mriedem | there was an updated librados package on 2/24 which made the failure rate on the ceph job jump to 25% | 21:07 |
| tonyb | s/octiava/nova :( | 21:07 |
| mriedem | can we school jay on how to use a calendar after the meeting pleasE? | 21:07 |
| mriedem | anywho | 21:08 |
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| mriedem | jbernard is working on getting the ceph plugin job into the QA program | 21:08 |
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| mriedem | since that uses upstream packages for trusty from ceph.org | 21:08 |
| mriedem | b/c apparently trusty 14.04 LTS is using an EOL branch for ceph packages | 21:08 |
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| mriedem | which is, not great | 21:08 |
| dansmith | not just that, | 21:08 |
| mriedem | b/c we can't get fixes backported, | 21:08 |
| dansmith | but EOL architecture apparentl;y | 21:09 |
| mriedem | jamespage and co are working on patching that librados package in 14.04 | 21:09 |
| mriedem | so once that's done we can make the ceph job voting again, or make the plugin job voting, whichever comes first | 21:09 |
| mriedem | that's the only gate news i have | 21:09 |
| mriedem | #link 3rd party ci status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 21:09 |
| mriedem | i think hyper-v is back online now that live migration is fixed for them | 21:10 |
| mriedem | claudiub|2: ^ right? | 21:10 |
| mriedem | i don't know of any other news there | 21:10 |
| mriedem | there are a couple of critical bugs in the agenda | 21:10 |
| mriedem | but those should just be marked as rc potential | 21:10 |
| claudiub|2 | yep | 21:10 |
| claudiub|2 | thanks for the reviews. | 21:10 |
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| mriedem | and they are, just checked | 21:11 |
| mriedem | we have a general reminder about bug skimming duty | 21:11 |
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| mriedem | there were ~35 new bugs this morning when i started looking, i think that's down to around 20 now | 21:11 |
| mriedem | *21 | 21:11 |
| mriedem | most are invalid/garbage so it's not to ohard | 21:12 |
| mriedem | *too hard | 21:12 |
| bauzas | thanks for this | 21:12 |
| mriedem | #link stable branch status https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker | 21:12 |
| mriedem | nova is clearish | 21:12 |
| auggy | thanks mriedem! | 21:12 |
| mriedem | the only big news on stable for nova is that we have kilo unblocked now that lifeless relesaed fixtures 1.2.1 | 21:12 |
| mriedem | thanks to tonyb for pushing on that | 21:12 |
| tonyb | mriedem: well you made it happen | 21:12 |
| mriedem | *we* made it happen :) | 21:13 |
| tonyb | :) | 21:13 |
| mriedem | cue sappy music | 21:13 |
| markusz | take a room | 21:13 |
| auggy | there's no ewe in we? | 21:13 |
| mriedem | re: liberty | 21:13 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/liberty,n,z | 21:13 |
| mriedem | #link liberty reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/liberty,n,z | 21:13 |
| mriedem | i've not done a great job on pushing for a liberty release, maybe next week | 21:13 |
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| mriedem | but we could use help on reviewing anything open for liberty, there isn't much | 21:14 |
| mriedem | and then hopefully cut a release soon | 21:14 |
| mriedem | last thing on stable, | 21:14 |
| mriedem | if you're doing bug triage or reviewing a change for a bug fix and see that the bug was opened awhile back, or reported against what is now a stable branch, | 21:14 |
| mriedem | please mark it as *-backport-potential | 21:14 |
| mriedem | or nominate for the stable release | 21:14 |
| mriedem | the neutron team has been skimming merged changes each friday to see backport candidates, and i don't really feel like doing that, | 21:15 |
| mriedem | but it means we have to be better about identifying and taggings bugs when they are fixed or triaged | 21:15 |
| markusz | mriedem: ok, understood | 21:15 |
| mriedem | it helps the stable team see what can be backported | 21:15 |
| auggy | markusz: should we maybe add a note about that to the bug docs? | 21:15 |
| mriedem | auggy: yeah, that would be helpful | 21:15 |
| auggy | i can take that as an action item | 21:15 |
| mriedem | since we have a template | 21:15 |
| mriedem | #action auggy to update the nova bug template with a note about backport potential tagging | 21:15 |
| mriedem | thanks | 21:16 |
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| mriedem | anything else for bugs? | 21:16 |
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| mriedem | skipping stuck reviews since there is nothing on the agenda | 21:16 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 21:16 |
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| mriedem | 1. Would like to help with the l18n team, we need a CPL: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#I18n | 21:16 |
| mriedem | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#I18n | 21:16 |
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| mriedem | #help i18n team needs a nova liaison | 21:17 |
| tonyb | What does that really mean for novw? | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | good question | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | i guess it's detailed in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#I18n | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | basically, let the i18n team know when our string freeze is | 21:18 |
| mriedem | review translation updates | 21:18 |
| mriedem | etc | 21:18 |
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| mriedem | it says it should be a core but i don't think that's necessary | 21:18 |
| tonyb | okay, the core reviewer things is a bit limiting | 21:18 |
| mriedem | i don't think that's necessary | 21:18 |
| mriedem | we don't require cores for other CPL things | 21:18 |
| bauzas | I don't see the need for a core | 21:19 |
| mriedem | there is a ML thread on that, you could reply in kind | 21:19 |
| mriedem | 'geez i would but i'm not a core so sorry!' | 21:19 |
| mriedem | moving on | 21:19 |
| mriedem | 2. (thomasem): Quick update on Libvirt/LXC gate effort | 21:19 |
| bauzas | the only need would be for the zanata patches, but the CPL could just ping the cores | 21:19 |
| mriedem | thomasem isn't around | 21:20 |
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| mriedem | he's been pung | 21:20 |
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| auggy | panged? | 21:20 |
| mriedem | gross | 21:20 |
| mriedem | pung | 21:20 |
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| mriedem | panged is dirty | 21:20 |
| thomasem | hey | 21:20 |
| dims | lol | 21:20 |
| mriedem | thomasem: go | 21:20 |
| thomasem | Essentially, I'm back on it. Filed a bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1552740 | 21:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1552740 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova hard reboot fails to mount logical volume (LVM + libvirt-lxc)" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Thomas Maddox (thomas-maddox) | 21:21 |
| thomasem | for one of the problems | 21:21 |
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| thomasem | I was pulled on to some other things recently, so didn't get back to looking at the libvirt lxc gate issues again until this week. So, more progress to come. | 21:21 |
| mriedem | thomasem: i saw you noted that ubuntu kernel bug in there | 21:21 |
| mriedem | thomasem: is it less of a problem with a newer kernl? | 21:21 |
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| thomasem | Able to recreate some of these issues in devstack, though it's still kind of hacky. | 21:21 |
| thomasem | mriedem: yeah, I haven't seen it on another kernel. I was going to start testing with some newer kernels next | 21:22 |
| thomasem | To see if it's a kernel problem, libvirt problem, etc. | 21:22 |
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| mriedem | thomasem: ok | 21:22 |
| mriedem | could also try a fedora job....but that might have problems of it's own | 21:23 |
| mriedem | but it would be much newer libvirt | 21:23 |
| thomasem | Yeah, Dimitry is helping me out with testing on CoreOS, may try Fedora next. | 21:23 |
| thomasem | Sorry, CentOS | 21:23 |
| thomasem | not CoreOS | 21:23 |
| thomasem | Got containers on the mind. | 21:23 |
| mriedem | heh | 21:23 |
| tonyb | which libvirt version? | 21:23 |
| mriedem | ok, well thanks for pusuing this | 21:23 |
| thomasem | Anyway, more to come. Just wanted y'all to know I'm still looking @ it. | 21:23 |
| mriedem | *pursuing | 21:23 |
| thomasem | And that I _do_ very much care about fixing it. Just taking a long time since it's a bit more complicated. | 21:24 |
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| mriedem | yes, it sounds like it certainly does suck | 21:24 |
| thomasem | And so on... prod isues, like the one I'm in the middle of right now. :) | 21:24 |
| mriedem | so thanks for taking that bullet | 21:24 |
| thomasem | You bet! | 21:24 |
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| mriedem | last item | 21:24 |
| mriedem | 3. (tonyb) Testing bleeding-edge libvirt in the gate status and call for help | 21:24 |
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| tonyb | So markusz and I have a devstack plugin that will install the UCA version of libviert and qemu | 21:25 |
| mriedem | didn't markusz agree to help at the mid cycle? | 21:25 |
| tonyb | in order to add that to the gate it needs to be on git.o.o | 21:25 |
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| tonyb | what I need to know is shoudl this start of as a nove "deliverable" | 21:25 |
| markusz | yep, I can work on that tomorrow (finally) | 21:25 |
| mriedem | maybe you two should get a room | 21:26 |
| tonyb | and can I get a potential core team | 21:26 |
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| tonyb | markusz: and I is a little sparse | 21:26 |
| mriedem | this has to be in the compute program? | 21:26 |
| tonyb | mriedem: no | 21:26 |
| tonyb | it can go anywhere | 21:26 |
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| bauzas | it doesn't need to be an official project, right? | 21:27 |
| tonyb | QA would be my first choice but I wanted to discuss it here to come up with a plan that will work | 21:27 |
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| bauzas | I mean, not in the projects.yaml | 21:27 |
| tonyb | bauzas: It seems it does :/ | 21:27 |
| mriedem | so, the ceph plugin is a thing | 21:27 |
| mriedem | that we use in the gate | 21:27 |
| mriedem | i'd try to follow what they did | 21:27 |
| mriedem | or need to do | 21:27 |
| bauzas | just adding the project to openstack doesn't mean you need to have it in the big tent | 21:27 |
| tonyb | bauzas: Ahh no but it does need to be in project-config/* | 21:27 |
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| bauzas | tonyb: you can have a project in project-config and not in the big tent, you knoxwx | 21:28 |
| mriedem | there was talk an hour or so ago in -infra about the ceph plugin being part of the QA program | 21:28 |
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| tonyb | mriedem: Ah okay I'll read the scroolback | 21:28 |
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| mriedem | i honestly don't know what's needed, | 21:28 |
| mriedem | but it sounds like we should at least talk to mtreinish | 21:28 |
| tonyb | bauzas: sure but it needs a core team so I'm here askign for help :) | 21:28 |
| tonyb | mriedem: okay I'll ping him | 21:28 |
| mriedem | it's a separate repo right? | 21:29 |
| bauzas | so, that's pretty old but http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/stackforge.html | 21:29 |
| tonyb | mriedem: yeah | 21:29 |
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| tonyb | bauzas: yeah that's out of date :( | 21:29 |
| bauzas | ^ that is how to add a new project not really in the big tent | 21:29 |
| mriedem | oh, i think sdague brought something up about that in the infra channel about the ceph plugin | 21:29 |
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| mriedem | basically devstack core team has core on the ceph plugin | 21:29 |
| mriedem | and it would be in the QA program | 21:29 |
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| bauzas | tonyb: you can create your own team and still not be in projects.yaml | 21:29 |
| mriedem | tonyb: so, let's talk to sdague and mtreinish | 21:30 |
| dims | tonyb mriedem : all enable_plugin(s) i see in project-config seem to be on our git - http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=enable_plugin&i=nope&files=&repos=project-config | 21:30 |
| bauzas | no really need to ask for it IMHO | 21:30 |
| tonyb | mriedem: I was hoping sdague woudl be here ;P | 21:30 |
| mriedem | tonyb: i'm sure danpb would probably be on board as a core for this | 21:30 |
| mriedem | sdague dropped a smoke bomb and vanished about an hour ago | 21:30 |
| bauzas | tonyb: see for example the blazar project as a (defunct) example | 21:30 |
| mriedem | yeah, i'm not sure why we couldn't have a devstack plugin in tree either | 21:30 |
| mriedem | a bunch of projects do that | 21:30 |
| tonyb | mriedem: markusz thought of that | 21:31 |
| dims | mriedem : because you are limited to just one plugin | 21:31 |
| tonyb | mriedem: the plugin is generic enough to be of use to neutron | 21:31 |
| dims | you can't have more than one | 21:31 |
| tonyb | to adding it to nova seems like a bad idea | 21:31 |
| dims | yep | 21:31 |
| mriedem | huh, weird | 21:31 |
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| tonyb | I think markusz and I have a plan | 21:32 |
| markusz | dun dun duuuuun | 21:32 |
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| mriedem | well, idk, you could always start in tree, get it working and then split it out for others to use | 21:32 |
| bauzas | tonyb: honestly, I just think that you should just create your project and add CI jobs without really thinking about which service to be within | 21:32 |
| tonyb | bauzas: right | 21:32 |
| tonyb | bauzas: that's what I'm doing | 21:32 |
| tonyb | bauzas: I was just trying to find a coer team >2 | 21:32 |
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| bauzas | tonyb: heh, that's another concern :) | 21:33 |
| tonyb | bauzas: I just [hrased the opening statement badly | 21:33 |
| mriedem | i can't be core on a devstack repo, so kind of a non-starter | 21:33 |
| bauzas | tonyb: I was thinking you were asking how to create a new projectr | 21:33 |
| dims | tonyb : start with you, when someone shows up with a patch, add them in :) | 21:33 |
| mriedem | get the devstack core team to grandfather it in | 21:33 |
| Vek | heh :) | 21:33 |
| mriedem | anyway, we should sort this out after the meeting | 21:33 |
| bauzas | yeha | 21:34 |
| mriedem | and it's kind of moot w/o sdague | 21:34 |
| mriedem | so, | 21:34 |
| mriedem | #action tonyb to talk to sdague about a libvirt devstack plugin thing + core team | 21:34 |
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| mriedem | sound good? | 21:34 |
| tonyb | +1 | 21:34 |
| mriedem | cool | 21:34 |
| mriedem | ok, any other open discussion items? | 21:35 |
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| mriedem | alright, let's end it | 21:35 |
| mriedem | thanks everyone | 21:35 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 21:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 3 21:35:33 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:35 |
| * Vek waves | 21:35 | |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-03-03-21.02.html | 21:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-03-03-21.02.txt | 21:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-03-03-21.02.log.html | 21:35 |
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| PsychoBoB | guys | 21:50 |
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| PsychoBoB | Do you like listen rock and roll? | 21:50 |
| PsychoBoB | I can to show my band? | 21:50 |
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| PsychoBoB | www.soundcloud.com/maloqueirozumbi | 21:51 |
| PsychoBoB | listen pleas | 21:51 |
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| armax | hi there | 21:59 |
| armax | it looks like mestery, carl_baldwin and dougwig won’t be making to the drivers meeting | 21:59 |
| armax | amotoki doesn’t look to be around | 22:00 |
| ihrachys_ | bring on the apocalypse | 22:00 |
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| armax | so it’s looks like it’s just me, HenryG and kevinbenton to the party | 22:00 |
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| armax | so the options are two | 22:00 |
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| kevinbenton | hi | 22:00 |
| armax | we either have it and talk postmortem | 22:00 |
| armax | or we go back to hacking | 22:00 |
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| armax | I leave the choice to the crowd | 22:00 |
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| armax | if there’s any | 22:01 |
| * jschwarz has an agenda to push so I'm for the first option | 22:01 | |
| * njohnston watches from the sidelines | 22:01 | |
| armax | jschwarz: you can always take the offline route | 22:01 |
| jschwarz | I don't mind if we can have a short one (it's 1 after midnight) | 22:01 |
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| jschwarz | aye, but what's the fun in that armax? ;-) | 22:01 |
| armax | jschwarz: that’s right! go to sleep man! | 22:01 |
| jschwarz | I filed an RFE - we can discuss it offline if you want | 22:02 |
| kevinbenton | let's have the meeting | 22:02 |
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| armax | HenryG: ping | 22:02 |
| HenryG | yo | 22:02 |
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| armax | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 3 22:02:38 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:02 |
| armax | ok | 22:02 |
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| armax | hello folks, so today | 22:03 |
| armax | being in the middle of feature freeze week | 22:04 |
| armax | I’d rather focus on what we have pending inflight rather than talk about proposed RFE's | 22:04 |
| armax | for those of you who thinks there’s an urgency to the matter, consider filing them as release blockers and target RC1 for the wider team’s attention | 22:04 |
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| armax | but do not abuse :) | 22:05 |
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| armax | we should switch gear now and ensure that we release something rock-solid | 22:06 |
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| HenryG | Are we going to set milestone tags on the alembic branches this release? Or are we going to stop doing that? | 22:06 |
| armax | Please have a look at a couple of reminders I sent out | 22:06 |
| armax | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088265.html | 22:06 |
| armax | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/087953.html | 22:07 |
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| armax | HenryG: I think so, but I’d defer the answer to ihrachys | 22:07 |
| ihrachys_ | sorry my net is flacky. what's the question | 22:07 |
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| HenryG | ihrachys_: Are we going to set milestone tags on the alembic branches this release? Or are we going to stop doing that? | 22:07 |
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| kevinbenton | ugh, reading assignmenets!?!? | 22:07 |
| armax | kevinbenton: ? | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | armax: the email links :) | 22:08 |
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| armax | oh yes | 22:08 |
| armax | kevinbenton: reading assignments! | 22:08 |
| ihrachys_ | HenryG: yeah, I guess we want it indeed so that you can refer release by name | 22:08 |
| * ihrachys_ somehow lost it out of sight | 22:09 | |
| armax | ihrachys: I suppose we have to do the marking as soon as Newton opens up | 22:09 |
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| armax | HenryG, ihrachys: right? | 22:09 |
| HenryG | armax: actually, it must go in with the mitaka final release | 22:10 |
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| ihrachys_ | armax: I think before final. honestly, I need to wrap up my head again to reason about it. I lost context there somewhat. | 22:10 |
| amotoki | we did it just before the release. | 22:10 |
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| HenryG | The problem is external projects. Several don't do it, so their branches aren't tagged. | 22:11 |
| ihrachys_ | ok right. we need to define neutron_milestone tags before final. | 22:11 |
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| armax | so, this is something for rc1? | 22:11 |
| ihrachys_ | yes | 22:11 |
| armax | ok | 22:11 |
| armax | let’s file a bug and target it for rc1 | 22:11 |
| HenryG | I'll do that | 22:11 |
| armax | go HenryG | 22:12 |
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| ihrachys_ | HenryG: can we maybe enforce failure when milestone used but not every project has it? | 22:12 |
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| HenryG | ihrachys_: TBH, I don't know when or how these tags are used in reality, which makes it hard for me to decide such a thing | 22:13 |
| armax | ihrachys_: let’s take this offline | 22:13 |
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| ihrachys_ | ok let's have it discussed in the bug HenryG will report | 22:14 |
| HenryG | ihrachys_: ack | 22:14 |
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| armax | good point though | 22:14 |
| armax | every cycle we risk to forget to do this | 22:14 |
| ihrachys_ | if we have some release docs, we may need to update them | 22:15 |
| armax | ihrachys_: to document this trick you mean? | 22:15 |
| ihrachys_ | I will take a look at it tomorrow. we may [want to] have some step by step pre-release guide for PTL/drivers | 22:15 |
| armax | ihrachys_: that’ll be great | 22:15 |
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| armax | I am going to document the postmortem proposal I put together in the last day or two | 22:16 |
| armax | you reminded me about that | 22:16 |
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| armax | in fact, let me jump right into that, as we are in feature freeze and folks may wonder what to do for the stuff that’s in flight but not landed completed yet | 22:17 |
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| armax | I put a patch up for review in the specs repo: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286413 | 22:17 |
| armax | that captures blueprints/RFE’s for the Mitaka release cycle | 22:18 |
| armax | consider it a collective sign-off | 22:18 |
| armax | if you see your name in there, please comment and provide input/status updates | 22:18 |
| armax | if you don’t see something that should be there, comment nonetheless | 22:18 |
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| armax | based on the exent of what’s left to do, you may be granted or denied a FFE | 22:19 |
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| armax | if you’re denied a FFE, but still think there’s a need to get something merged, file a bug that covers only the part you’re willing to merge for Mitaka and target it for RC1 | 22:20 |
| armax | if a bug is already filed, target it for RC1 and we’ll look at it | 22:20 |
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| armax | remember that docs are key to a successful adoption of the work you so hard sweat for | 22:21 |
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| armax | so write docs, from devref to user content for the networking guide | 22:22 |
| armax | any questions? | 22:22 |
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| ihrachys_ | all clear | 22:23 |
| kevinbenton | so all FFE discussion is happenon on the post mortem review? | 22:23 |
| armax | I’d like so, this way there’s total transparancy and traceability of the discussion | 22:23 |
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| armax | any other question? | 22:24 |
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| HenryG | no questions, I like it | 22:25 |
| armax | if not, let’s take the next few minutes to talk about somethign I wanted to mention for a while | 22:25 |
| armax | I may or may not be the next PTL | 22:25 |
| armax | if I am, I’d like to have a better balance between features and stability/usability improvements in Netwon | 22:26 |
| armax | if I am not, then I don’t care :) | 22:26 |
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| armax | what I mean, is that we’d need to emphasize effort on stuff that didn’t succeed in Mitaka | 22:27 |
| armax | and we’ll probably only take a handful of new features | 22:27 |
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| HenryG | You risk being viewed as a tyrant :) | 22:28 |
| ihrachys_ | I will support you depending on whether my features are in :P | 22:28 |
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| armax | well, use your vote with judgement is all I can tell you :) | 22:28 |
| armax | on the other end, I’d like to draw a line in the sand and stop allowing orchestration-like requests | 22:28 |
| ihrachys_ | jokes apart, I am fine with stricter approach for a cycle. | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | no campaign speeches during office! | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 22:29 |
| armax | get-me-a-network, cascade-delete were probably the last ones to be allowed | 22:29 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: I am not campaigning! | 22:29 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: I am writing my will! | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | we're going to make Neutron great again | 22:29 |
| ihrachys_ | :D | 22:29 |
| HenryG | lol | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | armax: how do you draw the line for orchestration? | 22:30 |
| armax | kevinbenton: when was it great, just idle curiosity? | 22:30 |
| armax | kevinbenton: no more! | 22:30 |
| armax | kevinbenton: eg. this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1552631 | 22:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1552631 in neutron "[RFE] Bulk Floating IP allocation" [Undecided,New] | 22:30 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: I know we have a weird bulk support in the api | 22:31 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: right | 22:31 |
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| armax | but honestly, I don’t trust it at all | 22:31 |
| kevinbenton | armax: does L3 HA count as orchestration? | 22:31 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: I said, let’s draw a line | 22:31 |
| kevinbenton | armax: i ask because we have some resources that depend on creating subresources | 22:31 |
| armax | kevinbenton: the past is the past :) | 22:31 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: no, i just mean would l3 ha count as orchestration if it was proposed now | 22:32 |
| armax | kevinbenton: probably not | 22:32 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: so some stuff is obviously 'orchestratish' | 22:32 |
| armax | kevinbenton: it’s built on top of existing building blocks, but in itself is something that you can’t easily build with those building blocks alone | 22:32 |
| kevinbenton | armax: so maybe the litmus test is that if creating one thing requires the creation of many things, that's okay? | 22:33 |
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| armax | I’d say we should ask ourselves the question as to whether we can build richer abstraction on top of the existing API without crossing the boundary | 22:34 |
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| armax | some stuff may be in a grey area and we’ll use judgement on a case by case basis | 22:36 |
| kevinbenton | sounds good | 22:36 |
| armax | but some are easily assessed | 22:36 |
| kevinbenton | just checking to see if you had something specific in mind | 22:36 |
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| amotoki | for example does bulk support like the above violate the line? | 22:38 |
| armax | amotoki: I would like to say yet | 22:38 |
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| armax | yes | 22:38 |
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| amotoki | yeah it depends how many api calls we need to somethign | 22:39 |
| armax | this can be debated for many hours | 22:39 |
| armax | but the roundtrip is hardly where the bottleneck lies | 22:39 |
| amotoki | if it requires tens of API calls it might be worth considered but agree in this case | 22:40 |
| haleyb | armax: we have customers that want to allocate contiguous FIPs, so you seem to have found a topic of interest :) | 22:40 |
| armax | as I said, we can use judgement, but we should be stricter to what we are going to allow from here on out | 22:40 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: are they admin? | 22:40 |
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| kevinbenton | haleyb: if so, they can specify the floating address they want | 22:41 |
| kevinbenton | if not, too bad, so sad :) | 22:41 |
| haleyb | kevinbenton: no, they just want them contiguous for SG reasons | 22:41 |
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| armax | haleyb: I think that’s a bad idea | 22:41 |
| * haleyb doesn't want to derail, just inform what he's heard | 22:41 | |
| armax | haleyb: what’s the reason for needing the IP’s to be contiguous? | 22:41 |
| kevinbenton | i imagine so they can do allow rules based on prefix or something? | 22:42 |
| haleyb | armax: one SG call, for say a /29 or /28 | 22:42 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: can't they use the feature of security groups to just allow from that security group? | 22:42 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: instead of based on IPs? | 22:42 |
| haleyb | customers are weird is my only answer | 22:43 |
| armax | haleyb: I don’t want to say yes to weird requests | 22:43 |
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| kevinbenton | hmm, maybe there is a usability thing we can improve here | 22:43 |
| armax | but we can discuss in more details when we see this show up on our radar | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | if we can make floating IPs part of a security group, then they could do this with security groups | 22:43 |
| haleyb | people want to think they own something, and a /2X is something | 22:43 |
| armax | ok | 22:45 |
| kevinbenton | even a bulk floating IP allocate couldn't guaruntee a contiguous block | 22:45 |
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| kevinbenton | because it might race with another request | 22:45 |
| armax | kevinbenton: nop indeed | 22:45 |
| armax | kevinbenton: besides the point here is | 22:45 |
| armax | in order to gain something you may have to give up something else | 22:46 |
| salv-orlando | haleyb: if customers like that - then tell them they can't use the broadcast and network address of that slice ;) | 22:46 |
| armax | you can’t have it all | 22:46 |
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| armax | so some discussions become educational | 22:46 |
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| armax | as to why certain things shouldn’t be done for the side effect they cause | 22:47 |
| armax | anyhoo | 22:47 |
| haleyb | and maybe things like this are extensions that people enable in their own private clouds... | 22:47 |
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| armax | we’re getting closer to the top of the hour | 22:47 |
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| armax | if there’s nothing else to cover, I give you all ~10 mins back, we’ll resume the usual drivers schedule from next week | 22:48 |
| kevinbenton | ack | 22:48 |
| kevinbenton | armax for president 2012! | 22:49 |
| armax | 2012? | 22:49 |
| armax | #endmeeting | 22:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 3 22:50:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-03-03-22.02.html | 22:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-03-03-22.02.txt | 22:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-03-03-22.02.log.html | 22:50 |
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