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| loquacities | hi everyone | 00:26 |
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| loquacities | just in case anyone is lurking here waiting for the docs APAC meeting | 00:26 |
| loquacities | due to mass confusion on my part, and the fact that most (if not all) of the australians are away this week, i'm going to cancel today's meeting | 00:27 |
| loquacities | sorry for the late notice | 00:27 |
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| dewsday | loquacities, we're all sitting here? | 00:29 |
| dewsday | We're happy to join. | 00:29 |
| loquacities | yeah, but i haven't done the agenda or anything | 00:30 |
| dewsday | Hahahahaha | 00:30 |
| dewsday | THAT'S the real issue :p | 00:30 |
| loquacities | i'm just correcting the record on the mailing list | 00:30 |
| dewsday | Ah got it :) | 00:30 |
| loquacities | yeah, i'm totally unprepared | 00:30 |
| loquacities | so therefore blaming you guys ;) | 00:30 |
| dewsday | We could talk about how great we all are for a bit? | 00:30 |
| loquacities | how is sydneyy, by the way? | 00:30 |
| loquacities | sure! | 00:30 |
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| JRobinson__ | Reposting from the docs channel: | 00:30 |
| JRobinson__ | <JRobinson__> I had one item for the meeting that I might drop into channel now | 00:30 |
| JRobinson__ | <JRobinson__> The User Guide Spec needs Core attention https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238770/8 | 00:30 |
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| dewsday | You know, Sydney-esque. There's people, they stare at you weirdly | 00:30 |
| dewsday | We drink the coffee | 00:30 |
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| dewsday | Mikal makes weird jokes | 00:30 |
| dewsday | The norm | 00:30 |
| dewsday | How was grad? | 00:30 |
| loquacities | sounds about normal | 00:30 |
| loquacities | grad was kinda fun | 00:31 |
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| loquacities | T won the environmental award :) | 00:31 |
| dewsday | Aww :) | 00:31 |
| dewsday | OH! That's great :D | 00:31 |
| loquacities | yeah, she was stoked :) | 00:31 |
| loquacities | all the academic awards that were given out got a $30 dymocks gift card, but T's award came with a $100 prepaid mastercard | 00:31 |
| loquacities | on the way home she's just dancing and singing "i'm going shopping! i'm going shopping!" | 00:32 |
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| itzdilip | how should be the multi pool is handled in driver? preconfigured with set of pools or creating on fly? | 03:33 |
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| skraynev | #startmeeting Heat | 07:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 9 07:00:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is skraynev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 07:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 07:00 |
| skraynev | #topic rollcall | 07:00 |
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| elynn_ | o/ | 07:00 |
| ricolin | o/ | 07:00 |
| Qiming | \o | 07:00 |
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| skraynev | shardy, therve, pas-ha | 07:02 |
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| skraynev | #topic Adding items to agenda | 07:03 |
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| skraynev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-12-09_0700_UTC.29 | 07:03 |
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| skraynev | I hope, that other guys will join later ;) or will read logs :) | 07:04 |
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| skraynev | Do we have any extra topics for discussion? | 07:04 |
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| ricolin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135492/5 | 07:04 |
| ricolin | the external resource | 07:04 |
| ricolin | need to have more review comment on it | 07:05 |
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| skraynev | Added | 07:05 |
| ricolin | thx | 07:05 |
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| skraynev | #topic Review priorities | 07:06 |
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| skraynev | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 07:06 |
| skraynev | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 07:06 |
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| shardy | o/ | 07:07 |
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| skraynev | shardy: hi | 07:09 |
| shardy | hey skraynev, sorry I'm late | 07:09 |
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| pas-ha | O/ | 07:10 |
| skraynev | shardy: np, you are not the alone in it ;) | 07:10 |
| ramishra_ | hi | 07:11 |
| shardy | Re review priorities, I wanted to highlight https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253074/ | 07:11 |
| skraynev | ramishra: I have removed SubnetPool from review list etherpad | 07:11 |
| shardy | that's for update restrict, a spec we merged in kilo and ramishra_ is now working on | 07:11 |
| skraynev | I suppose, it's really close to be merged | 07:11 |
| ramishra_ | skraynev: sure | 07:11 |
| shardy | zaneb has now voiced some concerns on the (already merged) spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135444/ | 07:12 |
| shardy | More views on that would be good | 07:12 |
| shardy | personally I think it's very bad that we're now blocking a spec which took *7 months* to land | 07:12 |
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| shardy | it's a strong demotivator for folks to bother at all with specs if they take months to land and aren't reviewed my many cores (who may then block the implementation) | 07:13 |
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| ricolin | We do have discussion about move these specs to other folder | 07:14 |
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| skraynev | shardy: agree, but may be also case, when some spec already obsolete due to some new changes.. | 07:15 |
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| shardy | skraynev: sure, but that isn't the case here, some folks just didn't review it and now don't like the interfaces | 07:15 |
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| shardy | skraynev: perhaps we need a process (as ricolin is referring to) that enables us to remove obsolete specs, and maintain those which remain valid | 07:16 |
| skraynev | ricolin: move all incomplete. I remember about it and sent mail with plan of this work. I hope, that will do it during this week | 07:16 |
| ricolin | skraynev: sure | 07:16 |
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| shardy | skraynev: to clarify, was the decision to move all incomplete ones into specs/mitaka | 07:17 |
| shardy | ? | 07:17 |
| ricolin | skraynev: I agree we need to clean the obsloete specs | 07:17 |
| skraynev | shardy: hm. do you mean some regular process? like 1 meeting in months or rare, and re-review some old specs... | 07:18 |
| ramishra_ | shardy: I assume the alternative suggested is to make update-preview more robust, right? The user should know what he/she is doing? | 07:18 |
| shardy | ramishra_: well update preview doesn't really work at all atm, I'm working on fixing it | 07:18 |
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| shardy | it doesn't work for anything involving nested stacks, or any replacements associated with changes of resource type | 07:18 |
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| skraynev | shardy: something similar more details here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080490.html | 07:19 |
| skraynev | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080490.html | 07:19 |
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| shardy | skraynev: thanks - so we can probably drop all obsolete specs as part of the "move all not implemented" patch? | 07:20 |
| shardy | e.g work that out via the review | 07:20 |
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| shardy | and then perhaps review all obsolete specs after feature freeze each release | 07:20 |
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| shardy | or, whenever someone notices something is no longer valid, they can propose a patch to remove the spec | 07:21 |
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| ramishra_ | shardy: yeah, I saw you raised some bugs on that, but wanted to know if that's the suggestion. or there is more to it? | 07:21 |
| shardy | ramishra_: I need to discuss with zaneb but AFAICT yes, the suggestion is force the users to always implement an external to heat workflow around stack update --dry-run | 07:22 |
| skraynev | shardy: I prefer one common scope for all specs. Btw ... Need to think how better mark them as not implemented | 07:22 |
| ricolin | common scope+1 | 07:22 |
| skraynev | shrady: about total removing - I think ,that the right way - update it with HUGE topic - it was "removed" due to. | 07:22 |
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| pas-ha | check out how Ironic specs repo is layed out, they have "backlog" folder | 07:23 |
| skraynev | shrady: so if someone take a look on it, he will see, the original spec with this mark | 07:23 |
| pas-ha | like ideas that are not going to be worked on right now | 07:23 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: ok. thx. | 07:23 |
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| skraynev | pas-ha, shardy: could you leave comments and your suggestions in mail thread mentioned above | 07:24 |
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| pas-ha | ok, will do | 07:24 |
| skraynev | I will combine them and then upload patches for spec repo. | 07:24 |
| skraynev | ok. let' got to the next | 07:24 |
| shardy | skraynev: the linked blueprint should show the implementation status | 07:25 |
| shardy | ramishra_: which is fine, but it's not at all what the spec proposed, and it's not declaring immutability as a property of the resource in the heat model | 07:25 |
| shardy | skraynev: one possibility would be to have all incomplete specs in heat/specs/foo.rst, then move them into specs/mitaka when they are complete | 07:25 |
| shardy | then we'd have a pool of incomplete specs not linked to a release, but maintain an easy place for folks to look and see what was implemented for a particular release | 07:25 |
| pas-ha | btw, there's an effort to ditch LP blueprints completely and replace it with RFE "Wishlist" bugs | 07:26 |
| skraynev | #topic: Reno notes | 07:26 |
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| shardy | pas-ha: interesting - some folks will find that odd, given that "wishlist" has traditionally meant "super low priority" | 07:26 |
| ricolin | mostly complete | 07:26 |
| ricolin | only this one left https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249747/ | 07:27 |
| pas-ha | shardy, that's to replace blueprints, a usual spec is still required. and tagging with "rfe" helps sort these out | 07:27 |
| shardy | pas-ha: ack, makes sense I guess | 07:28 |
| ramishra_ | pas-ha: specs are useful for new features, irrespective of their priority. Though you can put all the details in the bug description. | 07:28 |
| pas-ha | neutron has a page how this process works for them. a bit too fornalized to my taste, we can work out something more relaxed for us | 07:29 |
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| skraynev | #link: http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/release-management.html#when-to-add-release-notes | 07:30 |
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| skraynev | I wanted to ask all contributers to add notes for new features in Reno | 07:31 |
| skraynev | the process is described here: ^ | 07:31 |
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| skraynev | so if you have a some really important bug fix, feature, etc - please add notes in the same or follow patch | 07:32 |
| pas-ha | more of a suggestion for cores - when you see something falling to these ^^ w/o reno note - do not merge it | 07:32 |
| shardy | pas-ha: personally I'm starting to think something very lightweight for features is a good idea, as quite often specs stall in review for months, until there is code to discuss | 07:32 |
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| pas-ha | gerrit is still a better place for discussion that LP. but I do agree code speaks for itself most of the time | 07:33 |
| pas-ha | so I am strongly against denying reviews until spec is merged | 07:34 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: I'd thought, that specs also need for users... | 07:34 |
| pas-ha | sure, to document the implementation details for wider audience | 07:34 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: +2 for both. | 07:35 |
| pas-ha | and that's why it is important to make update patches to existing specs when implementation diverged | 07:35 |
| skraynev | does anybody have some question about Reno ? | 07:35 |
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| shardy | pas-ha: +1 - I'm just feeling pretty negative re the specs process atm, as it can eat a *lot* of time, and not reach conclusion if cores can't agree (or even if one person doesn't like the idea) | 07:35 |
| shardy | anyway, not a discussion for now, I may start a "is our spec process broken" ML thread ;) | 07:36 |
| skraynev | as I understand it will be necessarily from M2 ... so will be good to start try it right now :) | 07:36 |
| ramishra_ | +1, and also reviewers expect pseudo code in the spec;) | 07:37 |
| skraynev | shardy: +1. yeah. and then we will add notes about new process to wiki :) | 07:37 |
| pas-ha | ramishra_, so true :) | 07:37 |
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| pas-ha | and Python *is* almost pseudo-code | 07:37 |
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| shardy | ramishra_: +1, that's why I think less detail is probably better | 07:38 |
| skraynev | ok. last reminder about Reno, I will start add -1 if will be sure, that note needs for some patch. | 07:38 |
| skraynev | #topic Applying new tags for project | 07:39 |
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| skraynev | I just got mail from ttx about new tags, which I forgot to add :) | 07:39 |
| skraynev | so wanted to get confirm from you guys about it | 07:40 |
| skraynev | http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/assert_follows-standard-deprecation.html | 07:40 |
| skraynev | and | 07:40 |
| skraynev | #link http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/assert_supports-upgrade.html | 07:40 |
| skraynev | #link http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/assert_follows-standard-deprecation.html | 07:40 |
| skraynev | this two tags, as I understand Heat already follow requirement in tag's descriptions, so we may apply both | 07:41 |
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| skraynev | one more about rolling updates | 07:41 |
| skraynev | #link http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/assert_supports-rolling-upgrade.html | 07:41 |
| skraynev | I am not sure, that we has it in Heat ^ | 07:41 |
| skraynev | so your thoughts ? | 07:41 |
| pas-ha | first two IMO we definitely comply | 07:42 |
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| pas-ha | third (rolling) imo too - can we already talk to old DB and old engines? | 07:43 |
| shardy | pas-ha: we don't document the dance with RPC pins etc like nova does though | 07:43 |
| pas-ha | what's the status of nova-style objects work | 07:43 |
| ttx | If you need clarification on what that entails, you can ask dansmith | 07:43 |
| shardy | pas-ha: also, it's completely un-tested | 07:43 |
| pas-ha | yeah, that's enother issue | 07:43 |
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| pas-ha | and I am not even sure if it is possible to test on gates | 07:44 |
| shardy | so IMO we can't assert the tag until it's tested (like nova) in CI | 07:44 |
| shardy | the versioned objects part of the DB problably works, but I'm less sure about the RPC part | 07:44 |
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| skraynev | ttx: ok. sure :) p.s. thx for reminder, I had plan to add deprecation tag in my long TODO list, but it was not close for starting ;) | 07:45 |
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| pas-ha | can grenade be configured to make a three step upgrade? test->API->test->engine->test->DB->test | 07:45 |
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| skraynev | shardy: do you talk about rolling updates or upgrades? Also as I understand you agree with deprecation | 07:46 |
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| pas-ha | upgrades | 07:46 |
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| skraynev | pas-ha: hm. I am not sure, that we have some already existing examples of such process... | 07:47 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: but we may be a explorers | 07:47 |
| shardy | skraynev: the one I'm not sure about is the full rolling upgrade capability like nova has | 07:47 |
| pas-ha | well, that's what ops in a big enough (or any) productino would do AFAIU | 07:47 |
| skraynev | and try to write these bash scripts | 07:47 |
| shardy | I don't think we can do that, when you have mismatched DB and RPC versions, with API and engine services on different boxes | 07:48 |
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| pas-ha | than we need to fix it :) | 07:48 |
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| shardy | pas-ha: all services except nova need to fix it ;) | 07:48 |
| skraynev | shardy: lol. it's true | 07:49 |
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| ricolin | lol | 07:49 |
| skraynev | shardy: also swift has such abilities | 07:49 |
| skraynev | according documentation | 07:49 |
| skraynev | #shardy: http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/assert_supports-rolling-upgrade.html#application-to-current-projects | 07:49 |
| shardy | skraynev: interesting, thanks | 07:50 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: about simple supports-upgrade tag : do you agree ? | 07:50 |
| ramishra_ | did we implement versioned objects completely? other day I saw number of unused exceptions merged as part of the first patch for that blueprint and still unused. | 07:50 |
| pas-ha | skraynev, I do | 07:50 |
| skraynev | or it's the same situation like for rolling upgrade? | 07:50 |
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| pas-ha | we have grenade job running and voting | 07:51 |
| skraynev | ok. so I will add two tags for Heat | 07:51 |
| skraynev | cool! | 07:51 |
| skraynev | 10 mins left | 07:51 |
| skraynev | oh | 07:51 |
| skraynev | #topic fixing heat-templates dsvm gate | 07:51 |
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| pas-ha | and have lots of dance around deprecated stuff | 07:51 |
| pas-ha | this is short one | 07:51 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: As I see you added link on related patches for priority review list | 07:52 |
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| pas-ha | one is alomost ready (-2 on weird pep8 error in.egg ?!) | 07:52 |
| skraynev | and looks like one patch require fix for pep8 job | 07:52 |
| skraynev | yeah | 07:52 |
| pas-ha | second one is in project-config - please weigh in | 07:52 |
| pas-ha | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252523/ | 07:52 |
| pas-ha | that's all for now, the fate of the third patch is still discussed :) | 07:52 |
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| skraynev | pas-ha: so the second patch means using post-hook placed in heat=-templates repo, right? | 07:53 |
| pas-ha | yes | 07:53 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: ok. got it will review | 07:53 |
| pas-ha | first one creates it, second one starts to actually use it | 07:53 |
| skraynev | #topic: move Heat to devstack plugin? | 07:54 |
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| pas-ha | this is again about more control :) | 07:54 |
| pas-ha | since Heat is no longer installed by default in DevStack | 07:54 |
| pas-ha | I think we can consider moving to be a devstack plugin | 07:54 |
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| pas-ha | all the code for devstack integration would live in our repo - moar control for us :) | 07:55 |
| pas-ha | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/plugins.html | 07:55 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: do you want to do it or we need volunteers ? | 07:55 |
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| skraynev | pas-ha: p.s. I agree with this idea | 07:56 |
| pas-ha | first probably a vote in ML if people agree to that | 07:56 |
| pas-ha | I might volunteer myself :) | 07:56 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: ok. just send it and I will +1 :) | 07:56 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: awesome | 07:56 |
| pas-ha | ok, cool, will take on it | 07:57 |
| skraynev | #topic: Support Conditions | 07:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Support Conditions (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 07:57 | |
| skraynev | it's from previous meeting... | 07:57 |
| shardy | Re devstack, if we do move it, can we please ensure https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254755/ lands first | 07:57 |
| shardy | also, reviews of that would be good :) | 07:57 |
| skraynev | shardy: sure. thx | 07:58 |
| shardy | It fixes our heat.conf to include a trustee and clients_keystone section | 07:58 |
| rpothier | there is WIP code for conditions also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221648/ | 07:58 |
| skraynev | about support conditions - I probably will send mail... need to get more opinions | 07:58 |
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| pas-ha | shardy, sure | 07:59 |
| skraynev | rpothier: ok. thx | 07:59 |
| pas-ha | time's up | 08:00 |
| skraynev | let's continue in the #heat | 08:00 |
| shardy | rpothier: thanks, looks like that's only for CFN templates, is there a spec for native conditionals? | 08:00 |
| shardy | out of time.. | 08:00 |
| shardy | -> #heat | 08:00 |
| skraynev | #endmeeting | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 9 08:00:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-12-09-07.00.html | 08:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-12-09-07.00.txt | 08:00 |
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| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: Pingity ping? | 09:30 |
| BobBall | #startmeeting XenAPI | 09:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 9 09:31:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 09:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 09:31 |
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| BobBall | Morning all - agenda at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/XenAPI | 09:31 |
| BobBall | Who have we got in this morning? | 09:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | hello | 09:31 |
| huanxie | morning all | 09:31 |
| huazhihao | Morning bobball, johnthetubaguy | 09:32 |
| jianghuaw | Hello. | 09:32 |
| BobBall | yay - full house for who I was expecting :)# | 09:32 |
| BobBall | #topic Blueprints / Reviews | 09:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints / Reviews (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 09:32 | |
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| BobBall | Blueprints are easy. Since the vGPU blueprint was abandoned we're only on reviews | 09:32 |
| BobBall | but we have a lot of them at the moment. | 09:33 |
| BobBall | most important one I guess is from you huanxie - the VIF bugfix? | 09:33 |
| BobBall | What's the status of that? | 09:33 |
| huanxie | I have finished coding and tested localing, have pushed in gerrit for code review | 09:34 |
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| BobBall | has anyone on the subteam reviewed it yet? | 09:34 |
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| BobBall | I don't think I have have I? | 09:34 |
| huanxie | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254022/ | 09:34 |
| huanxie | No, currently | 09:34 |
| BobBall | awesome - ok - so I've added it to the list at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking as one that the subteam need to review | 09:35 |
| BobBall | I've also moved the nova/neutron race and OVS port bugs to that second list now | 09:35 |
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| BobBall | as they will need to be rebased on the VIF fix | 09:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | was there talk of a neutron based CI? | 09:36 |
| BobBall | We still have 6 reviews waiting for core though - one just needs a second +2 https://review.openstack.org/245898 | 09:36 |
| huanxie | Yes, we have other changes will rebase on that fix | 09:36 |
| BobBall | Yes johnthetubaguy - we'll be setting up an internal CI in the next few weeks followed by an external CI once we've got the required changes landed. | 09:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: cools | 09:36 |
| BobBall | Can't have an external CI before they have all landed as the failure rate would be way too high | 09:37 |
| BobBall | so huazhihao and BobBall need to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254022/ | 09:37 |
| BobBall | jianghuaw too - but he's not here today :) | 09:37 |
| huazhihao | Noted | 09:37 |
| BobBall | Awesome. | 09:38 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: are blueprints now sorted? i.e. can we start bugging you about getting some of these bugfixes reviewed to unblock other work? :) | 09:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | just make sure its in the etherpad | 09:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | I hope to get to that soon | 09:38 |
| BobBall | I think there are 3 changes which all modify the plugins and therefore change the plugin version which is having fun conflicts | 09:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | still going through exceptions though | 09:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds like it might be worth stacking those in a priority order | 09:39 |
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| * BobBall thinks the etherpad should be dynamicly ordered so if it's actually used then changes nearer the bottom don't get ignored :) | 09:40 | |
| BobBall | ok | 09:40 |
| BobBall | #topic Bugs & QA | 09:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs & QA (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 09:40 | |
| BobBall | Actually we've talked mostly about them - I haven't seen new bugs coming in | 09:41 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: Did we talk about https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1204631 in a previous meeting? | 09:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1204631 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Image created from boot from iso missing min_ram and min_disk" [Low,Fix released] | 09:41 |
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| BobBall | oh | 09:42 |
| BobBall | sorry | 09:42 |
| BobBall | yes we did | 09:42 |
| BobBall | heh... | 09:42 |
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| BobBall | I just didn't remove it from the agenda - my bad | 09:42 |
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| BobBall | #topic Open Discussion | 09:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 09:42 | |
| BobBall | So - is there anything else we should cover in today's meeting? | 09:42 |
| huazhihao | I have one blueprint under approval | 09:43 |
| BobBall | Ah great point huazhihao | 09:43 |
| BobBall | Can you give us a link? | 09:43 |
| huazhihao | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/bare-vhd-image | 09:43 |
| BobBall | Needs more info | 09:44 |
| BobBall | See my -1 on your change at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249627/ | 09:44 |
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| huazhihao | Ah sorry | 09:44 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: This is a blueprint we'd like approved as a specless blueprint FYU | 09:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | has it been submitted yet? | 09:45 |
| BobBall | What sort of details do you normally want to see on the blueprint? | 09:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | because we are past the blueprint freeze date now | 09:45 |
| BobBall | Does that still apply to specless blueprints? | 09:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes | 09:45 |
| huanxie | BobBall: I also have a BP for neutron security group https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenserver-give-support-on-neutron-security-group | 09:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | applies to all blueprints and specs, priority or non-priority | 09:45 |
| BobBall | Ah. Let's talk about them one by one then | 09:46 |
| huazhihao | ok | 09:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | so specless blueprints need submitting for approval still, seems like that has note been done yet? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Process#How_do_I_get_my_blueprint_approved.3F | 09:46 |
| BobBall | bare VHD image is about XenServer being able to download + use a VHD file that was uploaded without a tgz container - do you believe this requires a blueprint | 09:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, needs a blueprint | 09:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | its a feature | 09:47 |
| BobBall | What about security groups being broken on XenAPI with Neutron (due to a missing bridge which libvirt creates but xenapi does not) - can that be classified as a bug? | 09:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, maybe | 09:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | its a feature really though | 09:49 |
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| BobBall | The latter is more important than the former as it will block us getting a Neutron CI working until it's merged | 09:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yep, seems worth trying as a bug | 09:50 |
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| BobBall | so waiting until N for the neutron bugfix will be very painful | 09:50 |
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| BobBall | Is there something we can do specifically to help convince you / others that it should be classified as a bug? | 09:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | unsure really, it generally depends on the patch | 09:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | if its little, it should slip in | 09:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | reno notes can cover the adding of that | 09:51 |
| BobBall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251271/ is the change - almost all of it in vif.py | 09:52 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, I mean add the bug, and see how it goes I guess | 09:53 |
| BobBall | ok | 09:53 |
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| BobBall | huanxie: Can you remove the blueprint and re-write the commit message to be based on a bug. I think there is a bug already, but if not, raise one based on the tempest results from running the Neutron CI tests | 09:53 |
| huanxie | OK, I will raise a bug and change the commit message | 09:54 |
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| BobBall | Great, thanks. | 09:54 |
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| BobBall | I think we need to push for the VIF + Neutron fixes above the support for bare VHDs even though bare VHDs are also pretty important | 09:55 |
| BobBall | OK - anything else we should talk about? | 09:55 |
| huazhihao | That is all from me. | 09:56 |
| BobBall | Great - well let's close the meeting there then | 09:56 |
| BobBall | Thanks all! | 09:56 |
| BobBall | #endmeeting | 09:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 9 09:56:53 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-12-09-09.31.html | 09:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-12-09-09.31.txt | 09:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-12-09-09.31.log.html | 09:56 |
| huazhihao | Thanks bobball johnthetubeguy | 09:57 |
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| huazhihao | sorry johnthetubaguy | 09:57 |
| huanxie | thanks all:) | 09:57 |
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| joehuang | hi | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | hi zhipeng | 13:02 |
| zhipeng | hi joehuang | 13:02 |
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| zhipeng | is zhiyuan here? | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | wait a moment | 13:03 |
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| zhipeng | okey | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | hi zhiyuan | 13:03 |
| zhiyuan_ | hi joe | 13:03 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 9 13:03:45 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:03 |
| joehuang | let's start the weekly meeting | 13:04 |
| zhiyuan_ | ok | 13:04 |
| zhipeng | #info zhipeng | 13:04 |
| joehuang | #rollcall | 13:04 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:04 | |
| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:04 |
| zhipeng | #info zhipeng | 13:04 |
| zhiyuan_ | #info zhiyuan | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | #topic todo list | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "todo list (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:04 | |
| joehuang | #info https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TricircleToDo | 13:05 |
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| joehuang | let's have a look on the todo list | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | the table for routing information needs to update | 13:07 |
| joehuang | as the top layer may manage a lot of bottom openstack instances | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | the routing table will have millions of records | 13:07 |
| joehuang | it'll grow into very very big | 13:08 |
| zhiyuan_ | yes, I have added "resource_type" and “project_id” fields to the routing table, will submit this along with the Neutron plugin patch | 13:08 |
| joehuang | therefore, we need to split the table into several smaller tables, like vm routing table, volume routing table, port routing table.. | 13:08 |
| joehuang | great | 13:08 |
| joehuang | #action divide the routing table to smaller ones, specific to resource type and project | 13:09 |
| zhiyuan_ | bp for stateless architecture has been registered. | 13:09 |
| zhiyuan_ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tricircle/+spec/implement-stateless | 13:09 |
| joehuang | hi zhiyuan, could you have some words about your progress in phase 1 | 13:09 |
| joehuang | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tricircle/+spec/implement-stateless | 13:10 |
| zhipeng | joehuang is it possible for bottom openstacks to handle the table, and top just querry it every time an operation on certain bottom is required ? | 13:10 |
| zhipeng | i think if you split the table, they could still get very big | 13:11 |
| zhipeng | and instead of one big table, you got three big tables | 13:11 |
| joehuang | routing table is just to be used for forwarding purpose, it's necessary | 13:11 |
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| joehuang | no routing table, each time you have to broadcast the vm operation or volume operation | 13:11 |
| joehuang | for example, reboot vm | 13:12 |
| zhiyuan_ | ok, (1) the init patch for stateless architecture and patch for new tables have been merged. (2) bp for stateless architecture has been registered. (3) now I am working on the Neutron plugin | 13:12 |
| zhipeng | if we do not store the whole table in top, but only references, and keep the table at the bottom | 13:12 |
| zhipeng | would that work? | 13:12 |
| joehuang | the request has to be broadcast to all bottom openstack because the top doesn;t know where it is | 13:12 |
| joehuang | that's the idea | 13:13 |
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| zhipeng | zhiyuan_ the neutron plugin is for PoC ? | 13:14 |
| zhipeng | joehuang ok | 13:14 |
| joehuang | zhiyuan has done great job for these patches | 13:14 |
| zhipeng | yep | 13:14 |
| joehuang | from my side, the nova-apigw, and cinder-apigw has been submitted and get merged today | 13:15 |
| joehuang | and the XJob is WIP | 13:15 |
| zhipeng | zhiyuan_ we need to register a rfe for networking-tricircle, right ? | 13:16 |
| zhiyuan_ | IPAM needs to be done on top layer, so we are going to keep Neutron service to utilize the original IPAM process, but write our own core plugin | 13:16 |
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| zhiyuan_ | so we can do extra operation like building routing table in our own core plugin | 13:17 |
| joehuang | don't know the current requirements to register a plugin in neutron | 13:17 |
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| zhipeng | i've sent out emails to ask about this | 13:17 |
| zhipeng | but no reply yet | 13:17 |
| zhipeng | on the right procedure | 13:17 |
| joehuang | ok, zhipeng please investigate how to do that | 13:17 |
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| zhipeng | okey | 13:18 |
| joehuang | #action how to add a new plugin to neutron | 13:18 |
| zhiyuan_ | what we did in the master branch is that we put the plugin in our own repos, and write our own DevStack plugin to install the plugin to Neutron | 13:18 |
| zhiyuan_ | Neutron allows us to change core plugin | 13:18 |
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| zhiyuan_ | currently I follow this way | 13:19 |
| joehuang | is it possible for us to have a work basis for phase one by the end of next week | 13:19 |
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| joehuang | I think the way we use in master branch works recently, especially for experiment branch | 13:20 |
| zhiyuan_ | I think my patch for core plugin can be submitted by the end of this week, so it's possible to finish phase 1 by the end of next week | 13:20 |
| joehuang | great, let's try to finish a solid basis of phase 1 by the end of next week | 13:21 |
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| zhipeng | okey | 13:21 |
| zhiyuan_ | ok, we can check the progress in the next meeting | 13:21 |
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| zhipeng | btw I added some info about how kubenetes is doing federation now | 13:22 |
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| zhipeng | quite similar to our stateless approach | 13:22 |
| joehuang | in the design doc ? | 13:22 |
| zhipeng | yes at the end of it | 13:22 |
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| joehuang | I think it would be the similar idea to build a large system | 13:23 |
| zhipeng | it is still wip for k8s | 13:23 |
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| zhipeng | yep | 13:23 |
| joehuang | how about tacker | 13:23 |
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| joehuang | I think we can discuss with tacker that they can leverage the tricircle for multi-vim | 13:23 |
| zhipeng | yes i think that is a great collaboration point | 13:24 |
| zhipeng | i will wait for their reply | 13:24 |
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| joehuang | at least for the logical concept the tacker can see should includes AZ and Region | 13:24 |
| zhipeng | yes, and we need to persuade them to utilize tricircle more | 13:25 |
| joehuang | the VNF needs to be aware of AZ | 13:25 |
| joehuang | where the application is deployed | 13:25 |
| zhipeng | instead of build similar solutions | 13:25 |
| zhipeng | yes | 13:25 |
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| zhipeng | anyways check out the k8s solution see anything would benefit us :) | 13:27 |
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| joehuang_ | can you input any information | 13:29 |
| zhipeng | i added a new section at the end of the design doc | 13:30 |
| joehuang_ | the chat exit suddenly | 13:30 |
| zhipeng | okey no problem, i didn't say much :) | 13:30 |
| joehuang_ | ok, let's conclude today's meeting | 13:30 |
| zhipeng | okey | 13:31 |
| zhiyuan_ | ok | 13:31 |
| joehuang_ | #endmeeting | 13:31 |
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| joehuang_ | it doesn't work now | 13:31 |
| zhipeng | since your irc handle has been changed | 13:31 |
| zhipeng | you need to be joehuang to end the meeting | 13:32 |
| joehuang_ | ok | 13:32 |
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| joehuang_ | bye | 13:32 |
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| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 9 13:33:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2015/tricircle.2015-12-09-13.03.html | 13:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2015/tricircle.2015-12-09-13.03.txt | 13:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2015/tricircle.2015-12-09-13.03.log.html | 13:33 |
| zhiyuan_ | good, bye and good night | 13:33 |
| zhipeng | bye bye | 13:34 |
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| Zara | I forgot to hold the storyboard meeting this week! | 15:42 |
| Zara | too late to start in this channel now, but if people have questions or things they want to discuss, #storyboard is open for business as usual | 15:42 |
| Zara | btw, the great netsplit of 2015 seems to have affected meetbot? | 15:43 |
| Zara | since it says the meeting topic is Open Discussion for storyboard | 15:43 |
| Zara | that was the topic we'd arrived at when the netsplit happened | 15:43 |
| persia | try ending the meeting? | 15:43 |
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| Zara | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
| Zara | worth a shot. I tried at the time | 15:44 |
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| Zara | didn't work. I think SotK succeeded in ending it, but on a different server | 15:44 |
| Zara | we might need him to end it again, since he started it | 15:44 |
| Zara | I really hope this doesn't mean we have a week-long log | 15:44 |
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| Zara | hm, nope, it's logged as ending when he ended it | 15:46 |
| Zara | seems storyboard is the default discussion; suits us! | 15:46 |
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| smcginnis | Still says it's on storyboard. Hopefully we can start our meeting. | 15:58 |
| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 9 15:59:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | Hey everyone. | 15:59 |
| jgriffith | 0/ | 15:59 |
| ntpttr | hello o/ | 15:59 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:59 |
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| diablo_rojo | hello | 15:59 |
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| jgregor | Hello! | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | Courtesy ping: duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron | 15:59 |
| scottda | hi | 15:59 |
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| e0ne | hi | 15:59 |
| flip214 | hi | 15:59 |
| geguileo | Hi | 15:59 |
| mtanino | hi | 15:59 |
| eharney | hi | 15:59 |
| jungleboyj | Present! | 15:59 |
| jungleboyj | You are early. ;-) | 15:59 |
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| DuncanT | Hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I'll delay. | 16:00 |
| baumann | Hello | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: OK, not it's time. :) | 16:00 |
| rhedlind | hi | 16:00 |
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| adrianofr | hi | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Release Status | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release Status (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| smcginnis | #info M-1 went out last week | 16:00 |
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| jgriffith | WooT | 16:01 |
| erlon | hi! | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | We're making some progress on specs. Would be great to get a few more of those through. | 16:01 |
| jose-falavinha | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:01 |
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| nibalizer | ss | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Please add any details to that etherpad to help bring attention to specs. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #link http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=cinder&time=7+days | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | CIs are continuing to be less than ideal. I've pinged a few folks for the big ones. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | If everyone could take a look at the last weeks results there and check your CI, we really need to get a little more consistent results there. | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: +1 | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #info Bug stats: cinder: 474, cinderclient: 46, os-brick: 12 | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: +1 ... been pinging people internally. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | Great! | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Thanks to those spending some time on bug management. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | I've noticed a few folks taking care of things there. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | My assumption is still that a lot of them are already fixed, just either not updated automatically when it merged, or fixed separately. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | And the usual reminder - Nova volume bugs can always use our help: | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.status:list=NEW&field.tag=volumes | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.status:list=NEW&field.tag=volumes | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | #topic Reno Release Notes | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reno Release Notes (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:05 | |
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| smcginnis | This is just to raise awareness. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Projects are switching over to using reno for capturing release notes. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | It's a new thing we should watch for in reviews. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Or submit as follow up patches if needed. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | I added some notes about it to our wiki. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | But basically, any time a new feature, major bug fix, new driver, etc. get added, it should include a release note so that is captured. | 16:06 |
| bswartz | smcginnis: is it settled that reno note updates can go into a separate patch? | 16:06 |
| bswartz | smcginnis: I thought some people still argued for the same patch (to make backporting suck less) | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | bswartz: I think I would prefer them to be with the patch making the change, but it can still be added after the fact if it is missed. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: Backporting is a good point. | 16:07 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: backport new feature? | 16:07 |
| bswartz | okay there is an active ML discussion on that topic | 16:07 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: +1 | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | It would be kind of annoying to have to do two backports. | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | I think s^H^H^Htuff happens, so I'm sure regardless of policy we will have to add release notes separately. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | But it definitely would be better to have it with the code change. | 16:08 |
| e0ne | xyang1: sometime it's helpful to get a list of critical bugs in release notes | 16:09 |
| mtanino | +1 | 16:09 |
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| xyang1 | e0ne: right, makes sense for bug fixes | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Yeah, knowing something has been fixed could really help operators I think. | 16:09 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | #info Reviewers watch for inclusion of release notes in reviews | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | #info Code submitters make sure to add release notes when needed. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Is it a -1 if they aren't included or not? | 16:10 |
| erlon | smcginnis: is there any specific format or tag for the message? | 16:10 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: So only bugs that are marked as critical must contain release notes, right? | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | And I'm sure we'll have some gray areas where there's some debate as to whether something is RN worthy or not. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Yeah, probably. | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | erlon: There is a format that gets generated when you run the reno command. | 16:11 |
| e0ne | erlon: IMO, DocImpact flag is a good candidate to have a release notes | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | Just follow that format. I'm sure after a while we'll all get used to it. | 16:11 |
| erlon | e0ne: +1 | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: I think definitely critical, but could also be other significant bugs. | 16:11 |
| geguileo | Ok | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Yes, good point. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | Again. ;) | 16:11 |
| e0ne | NOTE: I didn't say each DocImpact changes requires a release notes change | 16:12 |
| geguileo | So not limited to those, good to know | 16:12 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | One note of warning for new users of reno. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | You need to commit the new release note before running tox to verify it. | 16:12 |
| dulek | IMO in general it's better to have to many RN than not enough. :) | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | It will not run against uncommited release notes. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | A little confusing the first time I did it. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | dulek: +1 | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | Moving on... | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | If they have the release notes do we still need the DocImpact flag. I am thinking yes but just want to document that. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I think so. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | DocImpact should end up in docs.openstack.org, release notes are a shorter list of changes. | 16:13 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: +1 on DocImpact | 16:13 |
| dulek | #link http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/release-management.html#managing-release-notes | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: e0ne That was my thought. Thanks for confirming. | 16:14 |
| dulek | ^ general guidelines from dhellmann | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | #topic Backend behaviour re snapshots | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Backend behaviour re snapshots (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:14 | |
| scottda | This is a lot of info about Reno/release notes. Should this go on the Cinder wiki somewhere? | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | scottda: I did add a little there. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | scottda: It's very light though. | 16:14 |
| scottda | cool | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | Feel free to expand on what I put there. | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | Oh, side note on that - for the new driver section I added reno information and py3 unit test info. | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Sorry, I didn't sign this one on the agenda. More just pulling something in from the mailing list to get some answers quickly | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | I think as we're switching over to py3 compat, we should make sure new drivers are compatible so we don't have to go back and fix them. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Oh good, wasn't sure who did that. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: The floor is yours... | 16:15 |
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| DuncanT | So there's a mail on the mailing list once again asking about dependent snapshots | 16:16 |
| DuncanT | Among things asking about whether extend volume breaks a snapshot | 16:16 |
| DuncanT | I think it would be worth writing down what are snap rules are, and pushing some tempest tests to check that they are actually being followed | 16:17 |
| DuncanT | Anybody think this is a bad idea? | 16:17 |
| dulek | DuncanT: +1, great idea to have it formalized and tested. | 16:17 |
| DuncanT | (e.g. we recently found VSA on kilo is different to LVM - I think it is not fixed) | 16:17 |
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| tbarron | It's a good idea. I'm actually somewhat confused on this subject. | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | This is probably going to result in driver bugs - are people prepared to work on the bugs if filed? | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | tbarron: Me too. What are the snap rules? | 16:18 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: +1, especially for tests | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | My guess is different backends have different restrictions. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | Probably a good reason to get this written down. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: +1 | 16:19 |
| mtanino | DuncanT: +1 | 16:19 |
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| DuncanT | smcginnis: Indeed, at one people we said they have to copy the reference behaviour by hook or crook, but that seems to have faded | 16:19 |
| e0ne | it's confusing that different drivers have different snapshots implementation | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: much to jgriffith dismay. ;) | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | :( | 16:19 |
| flip214 | DuncanT: I know that the DRBD driver currently won't like removing a volume if it still has snapshots. | 16:19 |
| DuncanT | I think if I push a tempest test then push an empty cinder change that has a depends-on tag then the new test will run against CI | 16:20 |
| kmartin | DuncanT, you have a bug for the VSA issue in Kilo? if so please send PM me with the id | 16:20 |
| flip214 | should the driver just return an error in that case? | 16:20 |
| bswartz | +1 for enforcing snapshot semantics with tempest tests | 16:20 |
| flip214 | we plan to support that, but it'll take a some time. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | I think at least with snapshots though, it's just the unfortunate reality that snapshotting is different. :/ | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | anybody have a link to the ML post? | 16:20 |
| e0ne | #link http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cloud.openstack.devel/71350 | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | never mind.. .found it | 16:20 |
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| DuncanT | flip214: I think that matches LVM, if it doesn't then returning a driver error is not acceptable IMO | 16:20 |
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| flip214 | so, would that suddenly make the driver invalid? | 16:21 |
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| DuncanT | flip214: It would be a bug | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | I'm still a little unclear here. Are we saying we should not allow extending a volume with snapshots? | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: I'm saying we need an answer to that question | 16:22 |
| e0ne | can we do in the same it like a deprecation policy: file a bug in M and remove driver in N if it won't be fixed? | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: I'm going for 'file bugs and chase people' initially | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: I think first we need to identify what needs to be "fixed". | 16:22 |
| flip214 | sorry, I'm confused. wasn't the ML post about removing a volume that still has snapshots? was it about extending? | 16:22 |
| patrickeast | seems like creating the tempest test(s) might be a good start to see how much impact (read: how many drivers are broken) and we could evaluate whether or not to enforce the rules | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | I really don't understand yet. | 16:23 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: sure | 16:23 |
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| DuncanT | flip214: Both I think. And any other unclear semantics | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | flip214: They mention extending as being a different constraint than deleting. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | flip214: But to me the main point was deleting. | 16:23 |
| xyang | smcginnis: sounds like the email wants the behavior to be the same for delete and extend | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | xyang: Yeah, that's my take. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | But I know some arrays can't delete a volume that has snapshots. | 16:24 |
| e0ne | lvm can't do it | 16:24 |
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| DuncanT | I think the behaviour should start at 'whatever working in LVM' - that's the point of a reference implementation IMO | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | And preventing extending a volume just because there are snapshots sounds like a poor user experience IMO. | 16:24 |
| eharney | allowing deleting a volume that has snapshots breaks the Cinder model of what volumes and snapshots are | 16:24 |
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| xyang | smcginnis: yes, we have dependencies in db too | 16:24 |
| eharney | snapshots are children of volumes, that's part of the concept | 16:25 |
| e0ne | eharney: +1 | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | eharney: +1 | 16:25 |
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| xyang | eharney: +1 | 16:25 |
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| geguileo | eharney: +1 | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | My opinion, FWIW, these are two different concepts, so I don't see the need to enforce commonality between them. | 16:25 |
| mtanino | eharney: +1 | 16:26 |
| eharney | i agree, the idea that the behavior needs to be the same doesn't make sense to me | 16:26 |
| erlon | smcginnis: +1 | 16:26 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: Showing my LVM ignorance again - what is the behavior there? | 16:26 |
| xyang | smcginnis: maybe she was saying the metadata changed after extend, but the old snapshot cannot use the new metadata? | 16:26 |
| DuncanT | I think what is being said here is 'our array needs these behaviours to be the same' - not a good argument | 16:26 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: I need to test carefully | 16:27 |
| eharney | iirc LVM allows extending when snapshots exist | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: I think extend is allowed and the snaps are fine | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | Please read my response to the ML posting | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | eharney, DuncanT: OK, that's consistent with how my backend works at least. ;) | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | I'm not going to subject you to my rants again here on IRC but I'm telling you it's an awful idea | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: link? | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: No rants? What fun is that? | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: :) | 16:28 |
| hemna | I'm here, let the rants begin. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081875.html | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: What is an awful idea? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: DuncanT http://goo.gl/WSsXzF | 16:29 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: Quick read through your response. I agree, makes sense to me. | 16:30 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: Ah, I agree with your email. API behaviour consistency is rather the point of our existance | 16:30 |
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| jgriffith | I also don't see the current behavior between extend and snapshots as inconsistent at all | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | quite the opposite | 16:31 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: +1 | 16:31 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | So... should we try to get unit tests that verify behavior of allowing extending with snapshots present? | 16:32 |
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| smcginnis | Anyone have a backend that does not support that? | 16:32 |
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| flip214 | smcginnis: if I extend a volume, and go back to a snapshot, the old size is used again, right? | 16:33 |
| eharney | for some context, the glusterfs driver used to block that as not supported, it's been fixed to support it now | 16:33 |
| * DuncanT is on vacation for all of next week, but I'll start pushing tests asap - anybody wants to start, email me | 16:33 | |
| e0ne | does lvm support extend snanpshot? | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | flip214: That would be my expectation. | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | flip214: Yes | 16:33 |
| flip214 | smcginnis: okay, sounds good | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: no... and to my point | 16:33 |
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| flip214 | is there a consistency-group snapshot already? | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: extend snapshot doens't make any sense in our context | 16:34 |
| xyang | flip214: yes | 16:34 |
| xyang | flip214: cgsnapshot | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: even if LVM itself supports it | 16:34 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: agree | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Not extend snapshot, but extend a volume that has snapshots. | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | eharney: I'd have considered that a bug in the gluster driver - they happen, sounds like you considered it a bug too, so everything works as expected process-wise | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Why would someone extend a snapshot? | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: yeah... sorry, I thought e0ne was specifically asking about extending snapshots | 16:34 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: I misunderstood smcginnis's question | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I don't think we have any issues with that test. Will make sure. | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | ahhh :) | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Maybe he was. :) | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | ok... carry on then :) | 16:35 |
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| smcginnis | So, to be clear, we should be able to extend a volume and its snapshots should not be affected by it. | 16:35 |
| xyang | e0ne: snapshot is taken at a point in time. it's kind of frozen. | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Right? | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Yes | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: correct | 16:35 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +2 | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | OK, good. I'm not totally off the reservation. :) | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | Sounds like plenty of agreement, tempest tests to follow, maybe some documentation too | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: +1 | 16:36 |
| flip214 | smcginnis: if it's in a consistency group, the same holds for it, too? | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | I think this comes up because there are some backends that do everything as a linked object and this creates some challenges for them | 16:36 |
| wanghao | DuncanT: +1 | 16:36 |
| xyang | flip214: extend is not allowed with CG | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | flip214: Yes | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | anyway | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | This could be good info to capture in eharney's effort to capture expected behavior documentation. | 16:36 |
| flip214 | ie. snapshotting a CG, and then restoring, would only restore the volumes in the CG at the time of snapshot? | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: +1 | 16:37 |
| eharney | yes | 16:37 |
| xyang | flip214: yes | 16:37 |
| flip214 | okay, understood. At least I believe I do ;) | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | eharney: I still have that open in a tab by the way, and intend to contribute. Some day. :] | 16:37 |
| eharney | smcginnis: me too :) | 16:37 |
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| smcginnis | Hah :) | 16:37 |
| * DuncanT doesn't - anybody got a link? | 16:37 | |
| smcginnis | https://github.com/eharney/driver_doc/blob/master/driver.rst | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | Thanks | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 16:38 |
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| ntpttr | Hi, I have a quick question | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: do we have to discuss "open" again ? | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: LOL | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | ntpttr: Go for it! | 16:38 |
| winston-d | FWIW, Li Yan used to work on Storwize but she's working for Intel now, so not that she has some backend to support or something. | 16:39 |
| ntpttr | So I've been working on a fix for this bug for a little while https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1508249 and we've discovered that right now any exceptions raised when checking quotas in delete calls (delete_volume, delete_snapshot ect.) are being silenced, so moving those checks to the API as they are rather than having them in the manager probably wouldn't make a difference because all that happens on failure is a message is written to the lo | 16:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1508249 in Cinder "Quota checks are inconsistent" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Nate Potter (ntpttr) | 16:39 |
| ntpttr | I'm wondering if there was a reason for those exceptions not getting raised, and if it would be a good thing to raise them in the API to tell the user that the quota update failed when it happens and maybe make it possible to delete it anyways with the force flag or something else, or if those exceptions should stay silent. | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | ntpttr: oh... I'm glad you mentioned that! | 16:39 |
| ntpttr | Here are links to the patches I have up for this right now, this question mostly applies to the last two of them because the first patch is updating retype and it was already raising the exception - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254980/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249388/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249441/ | 16:39 |
| dulek | jgriffith: :) Hopefully you'll shed some light of the bug intentions. :) | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | dulek: I'm afraid I may make things worse.... | 16:40 |
| ntpttr | jgriffith: oh boy.. :) | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | ntpttr: dulek so the exceptions piece aside for now.... | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | ntpttr: dulek I found that checking quotas "after" the rpc call to be kinda "silly" | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | ntpttr: dulek I thought it would be good to check at the API on entry and just be quick about it if/where we could | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | ntpttr: dulek this also had the benefit of consistency in the code | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | as opposed to just willie-nillie "I'll add a quota check here or there" | 16:41 |
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| dulek | jgriffith: My main problem with that is that this changes RPC API a lot and we're supposed to try to keep L->M compatibility here. | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | So don't even try if you already know you can't. Makes sense. | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | dulek: hmm... | 16:43 |
| dulek | jgriffith: I'm not sure if code consistency is worth the risk. | 16:43 |
| dulek | (I mean - to be able to do rolling upgrades - we need compatibility) | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | dulek: in other words, we screwed up, now we just live with it because of rpc versioning ? | 16:43 |
| ntpttr | yes, the rpcapi change is to add reservations parameters to pass them along to the manager | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | dulek: not saying that's not a valid point | 16:43 |
| ntpttr | so they can be committed/rolled back there | 16:43 |
| winston-d | RPC API change is not backwards compatible? | 16:43 |
| dulek | jgriffith: If the only gain here is code consistency, then I would say yes, let's live with that/ | 16:43 |
| ntpttr | it is backwards compatible | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | dulek: ntpttr ok... well if it's not possible in the name of the elusive unicorn of rolling upgrades I guess that the way it goes | 16:44 |
| wanghao | jgriffith: in some case, we need to check the quota after rpc call, like manage volume/snapshot. | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | The other option is to add the request id to the reservations table in the DB, right? | 16:44 |
| dulek | jgriffith: If there's more - like quick user feedback - then I'm okay with it. | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | dulek: yeah... I can see the point | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | Then you can look it up on the far side | 16:44 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: you mean in essence do "both" for the old versions? | 16:44 |
| wanghao | jgriffith: since we need to get the volume size from driver and then check the quota. | 16:44 |
| dulek | jgriffith, ntpttr: I'm not saying it's not possible to make it backward compatibile - it is, but the more changes, the more chances of introducing a bug. | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | wanghao: say whhaaaat? | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | wanghao: why do you have to get volume-size from backend? That's what the DB is for | 16:45 |
| wanghao | jgriffith: no, I said manage exitsing volume | 16:45 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: he was talking about managing (importing) a vol into cinder. | 16:45 |
| * jgriffith smells a rat | 16:45 | |
| jgriffith | wanghao: oh... :) Ok, I'm confused on that... let's circle back | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | after this topic | 16:46 |
| ntpttr | jgriffith: right now I've updated the patches to raise exceptions if quota checks fail in the API and it can be overridden with force, to give the user the quick feedback, but we aren't sure if that's a change that should be made | 16:46 |
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| ntpttr | jgriffith: so was there a reason then for the exceptions being silenced on the delete calls? | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | dulek: There's a bunch of ways of doing this without needing an incomatable RPC I think | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | Ok... so if moving the checks is a problem for rpc versioning... that's life; maybe we can look at DuncanT 's idea and come up witha solution there | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | ntpttr: Why is force allowed? | 16:46 |
| dulek | (we're back with exceptions on quota errors in delet ecalls) | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | ntpttr: the exception thing is actually problematic it turns out | 16:47 |
| ntpttr | DuncanT: it was allowed in case the quota checks fail but the volume/snapshot must be deleted anyway, just experimenting with possibilities | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | ntpttr: a lot of those were added recently in the name of "giving user feedback other than 503 or whatever it was" | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | BUT | 16:47 |
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| dulek | DuncanT: Yeah, with ntpttr we've managed to make the code compatible. That's fine, but why even bother if there are no clear benefits of changing it? | 16:47 |
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| jgriffith | a side effect that I noticed that kinda sucks is this: http://goo.gl/FaKDl8 | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | ntpttr: How can a delete fail with a quota problem? | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: good question :) | 16:48 |
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| DuncanT | dulek: The user feedback changes ('you're over quota' rather than not telling you) is definitely a big improvement | 16:48 |
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| winston-d | dulek: well, depends on our definition of 'clear benefit' | 16:48 |
| dulek | DuncanT: If quota is out of sync it can, because we cannot reserve -1 quota on 0 volumes. | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | dulek: Ah, we should just eat that exception - quota is out of sync so we aren't making things worse | 16:49 |
| ntpttr | DuncanT: Hmm that I'm not sure, the exception is there in case any errors occur in add_volume_type_opts or reserve, it just wasn't being raised | 16:49 |
| dulek | DuncanT: I'm totally for making such change for these calls. But for delete calls we're silencing the exception. | 16:49 |
| dulek | So initial question probably should be: | 16:49 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:49 |
| dulek | Why we're silencing the quota exceptions for deletes? | 16:49 |
| dulek | We're doing that consistently for delete_volume, snapshot, cg, cgsnapshot. | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | dulek: Because they aren't something the tenant cares about or can fix | 16:50 |
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| winston-d | git blame? | 16:50 |
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| dulek | DuncanT: That was my intuition. So if I'm not missing anything - there's no point in moving quota checks from c-vol to API. | 16:51 |
| dulek | DuncanT: We will just silence an exception - who cares where it's done? | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | dulek: For delete? Not so much, no | 16:52 |
| winston-d | dulek: that is for delete, only, right? | 16:52 |
| dulek | (I know, code consistency is of value. ;)) | 16:52 |
| ntpttr | mostly delete, but the other case was retype | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | dulek: I wasn't aware we were only discussing delete, sorry | 16:52 |
| dulek | winston-d: Yes. For example for retype - gain from quick user feedback is understandable. :) | 16:52 |
| ntpttr | which was raising the exception previously in the manager | 16:52 |
| dulek | quick feedback to the user- | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | retype should give the user feekback ideally I think | 16:53 |
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| dulek | DuncanT: +1 :) | 16:53 |
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| ntpttr | Okay - yesterday I separated retype into its own patch for this reason :) | 16:53 |
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| ntpttr | dulek: thanks for the feedback/help in the reviews | 16:53 |
| dulek | jgriffith: You're okay with that outcome? | 16:54 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +1 | 16:54 |
| winston-d | ntpttr: is that all? | 16:55 |
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| dulek | Summing up - if we're silencing quota exceptions - there's no point in moving them. If not - there's value in giving quick feedback to the user and we should go and do checks in API. :) | 16:55 |
| ntpttr | winston-d: yes I think that clears it up | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | dulek: +1 | 16:55 |
| ntpttr | thanks everyone | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | 4 minute warning | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | I've got one more thing to bring up in the last couple of minutes then | 16:56 |
| winston-d | ok, I have a quick question about Cinder Ironic interaction. | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | Arm wrestle for it! | 16:56 |
| hemna | winston-d, sup | 16:56 |
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| winston-d | we discssued this during the working session and I'd like to know if how we will follow up on that. | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | A Toshiba engineer emailed me about where a driver can put things that don't fit in provider_info _id etc | 16:57 |
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| smcginnis | Let's try to quick get winston-d's, if that's OK. | 16:57 |
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| hemna | winston-d, e0ne is working on a cinderclient patch that adds the ability to do attachment to the host where the clinderclient command is executed | 16:57 |
| e0ne | winston-d: I'm working on it https://review.openstack.org/224124 and https://review.openstack.org/254878 | 16:57 |
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| smcginnis | winston-d: Good enough? | 16:57 |
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| smcginnis | :) | 16:57 |
| DuncanT | Specifically they need to store some of the volume_type attributes, like whether there are mirrors, so they can correctly clean up on delete even if the type has been editted | 16:57 |
| winston-d | hemna, e0ne: thx! | 16:57 |
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| winston-d | smcginnis: yes | 16:57 |
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| smcginnis | OK DuncanT . | 16:58 |
| hemna | winston-d, just need help testing and reviewing at this point I think. | 16:58 |
| hemna | it's on my list of things TODO/test | 16:58 |
| winston-d | hemna: sure, glad to help with review at least. | 16:58 |
| DuncanT | I suggested admin_metadata was the only sane place for this | 16:58 |
| hemna | winston-d, ok thanks :) | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: They don't know from their backend if there are mirrors? | 16:58 |
| DuncanT | Doing some auditing I discovered that the hitachi driver uses volume_metadata for this | 16:58 |
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| winston-d | hopefully we can test it soon with our Ironic AZ. | 16:58 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Apparently not | 16:58 |
| e0ne | winston-d: I didn't add attchach/detach stuff into the latest code. will do it later this week | 16:59 |
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| hemna | if anyone is interested, os-brick has a WIP/POC for extending an attached volume https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243776/ | 16:59 |
| DuncanT | hitachi driver looks like a malicious tenant can do bad thigns | 16:59 |
| e0ne | winston-d: sounds great! | 16:59 |
| DuncanT | *things | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: So the question is should they all be using admin or volume metadata? | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Awesome! | 16:59 |
| e0ne | hemna: added to my review inbox | 16:59 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Definitely not volume_metadata - the tennant can change or delete that at will | 16:59 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: Yeah, that seems like a Bad Thing. | 17:00 |
| hemna | I'd like to get that tested by various folks, so I can get it to land. | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Awesome! | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Maybe file a bug against them to change that? | 17:00 |
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| DuncanT | smcginnis: A few drivers touch the volume_metadata, still auditing for what the bad effects are | 17:00 |
| hemna | diablo_rojo, has been working on testing it for me for IBM. I'd like to get some other vendors to test it as well if possible. | 17:00 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Bug on the way, just trying to figure out if it should be securoty tagged | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Do we need changes on the Nova side still though? | 17:00 |
| hemna | but it has to be tested manually at the moment. | 17:01 |
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| hemna | jungleboyj, cinder and nova | 17:01 |
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| hemna | but os-brick has to have this first | 17:01 |
| wanghao | smcginns:jgriffith We can continue to talk about the get replica volume ref in #cinder channel. :) | 17:01 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Hmm, good question. I would lean towards no. | 17:01 |
| DuncanT | IBM writes to the admin metadata during replication.... should we formally allow drivers to change admin_metadata? | 17:01 |
| smcginnis | OK, we're over. | 17:01 |
| smcginnis | Let's go back to our channel for anything else. | 17:01 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone. | 17:01 |
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| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
| hemna | DuncanT, via model updates or direct DB calls ? | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 9 17:01:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| wanghao | Bye | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-12-09-15.59.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-12-09-15.59.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-12-09-15.59.log.html | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Ok, I need to follow up with my guys who were doing the Nova part. | 17:01 |
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| krtaylor | #startmeeting ironic-qa | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 9 17:02:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| DuncanT | hemna: Moving to main channel. Model updates - we want to kill db access in drivers | 17:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:02 |
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| krtaylor | anyone here for ironic-qa? | 17:02 |
| hemna | DuncanT, +1 | 17:02 |
| [1]cdearborn | o/ | 17:02 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:02 |
| jroll | krtaylor: SUP :) | 17:02 |
| sinval | o/ | 17:02 |
| liliars | o/ | 17:02 |
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| krtaylor | hi everyone | 17:03 |
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| kcalman | o/ | 17:03 |
| krtaylor | here is the agenda: | 17:03 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:03 |
| krtaylor | not much there, but I know better than to think we won't have anything to talk about :) | 17:03 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 17:04 |
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| sinval | We have great news about OneView CI, we are able to test deployment workflow, I assume that we are publishing the deploy test job until the end of this week :) | 17:04 |
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| krtaylor | good | 17:05 |
| krtaylor | and we have one on the agenda | 17:05 |
| krtaylor | OpenStack Health Dashboard | 17:05 |
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| krtaylor | not sure if that was sambetts | 17:05 |
| jroll | also just a quick note, we're making the ipxe job voting, it's been stable for a while: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255382/ | 17:05 |
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| krtaylor | but here's the link for the Dashboard: | 17:06 |
| krtaylor | #link http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/g/project/openstack%252Fironic | 17:06 |
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| krtaylor | ipxe voting: | 17:06 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255382/ | 17:06 |
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| jroll | so now that we've brought the dashboard up... can we talk about how abysmal that failure rate is? can save for open discussion if we like... | 17:07 |
| krtaylor | yes, we should, lets table that for open discussion | 17:07 |
| jroll | and even worse, thuogh I think it may be a sample size thing: http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/g/project/openstack%252Fironic-python-agent | 17:07 |
| jroll | k | 17:07 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:07 |
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| krtaylor | hi sambetts we were just looking at the dashboard | 17:08 |
| krtaylor | ok, any other quick announcements? | 17:08 |
| sambetts | Yeah I came up on the ML and I thought it was cool | 17:08 |
| sambetts | it* | 17:08 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Grenade and Functional testing | 17:09 |
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| krtaylor | not sure of any progress this week either, jlvillal is in class | 17:09 |
| krtaylor | anyone? | 17:10 |
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| krtaylor | then onward | 17:10 |
| krtaylor | #topic Third party CI | 17:10 |
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| krtaylor | so,t he spec has had a lot of activity :) | 17:10 |
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| sinval | hehe | 17:11 |
| krtaylor | jroll, I read the comments and started a revision, but got distracted by my day job, sorry about the duplicate patch | 17:11 |
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| jroll | krtaylor: no worries :) | 17:12 |
| krtaylor | there were some counterpoint comments | 17:12 |
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| krtaylor | lucasagomes isn't here... | 17:12 |
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| jroll | I think we're way past the point of deciding whether or not we're doing this... | 17:13 |
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| [1]cdearborn | agree | 17:13 |
| krtaylor | jroll, agreed, but maybe we can address some of the concerns that prompted the concern | 17:14 |
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| krtaylor | used concern to many times | 17:14 |
| jroll | seems like the concerns were "I don't want my driver dropped from tree, but I can't CI it" | 17:14 |
| jroll | idk how to address this unless we just don't do it | 17:14 |
| krtaylor | can that driver be tested as a part of the infra testing? | 17:15 |
| krtaylor | if it requires special hw, then no | 17:15 |
| jroll | almost certainly not, it needs real hardware afaik | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | we could somehow mark drivers in tree that are CI'ed and not CI'ed? | 17:15 |
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| lucasagomes | having a config option to allow enabling non-CI'ed driver? | 17:15 |
| jroll | maybe kvm has a wol | 17:15 |
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| jroll | lucasagomes: that was an alternative proposed a long time ago that we decided not to do | 17:16 |
| jroll | I don't remember off hand all the reasons why | 17:16 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, it was a bit different AFAIR | 17:16 |
| lucasagomes | the propose before was you could either enable production drivers or testing drivers | 17:16 |
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| lucasagomes | (but I wanna point out that, I'm OK with that proposal in the spec. I understand it has been discussed) | 17:17 |
| jroll | hmm | 17:17 |
| jroll | yeah, I think we don't want to turn back now | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | historically, as projects have grown, that has not worked well, if it is in tree, it needs to be tested | 17:17 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, yeah, and I'm fine with that | 17:17 |
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| jroll | cool | 17:18 |
| lucasagomes | krtaylor, it's "tested" not as a functional test | 17:18 |
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| lucasagomes | but unittest is testing | 17:18 |
| lucasagomes | I think my idea is more like staging drivers in linux | 17:18 |
| jroll | dprince: do you want to talk about this at all or are you good with my replies on the spec patch? | 17:18 |
| lucasagomes | which are drivers in-tree but with less promises that they are working | 17:18 |
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| krtaylor | lucasagomes, yeah, that is what I was proposing at summit, like an attic for drivers that were interesting, but not production | 17:19 |
| lucasagomes | krtaylor, ++ | 17:20 |
| lucasagomes | and I understand that there's an overhead about having driver in tree as well, we have to maintain the code | 17:20 |
| lucasagomes | so all ideas has pos/cons | 17:20 |
| krtaylor | the spec started that way, but the consensus was that once out of main tested tree, they were noop | 17:20 |
| dprince | lucasagomes: maintenance in-tree is much cheaper though | 17:21 |
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| lucasagomes | dprince, right | 17:21 |
| jroll | why? | 17:21 |
| dprince | jroll: grep | 17:21 |
| jroll | grep -r thing ironic/ mydriver/ | 17:22 |
| jroll | ? | 17:22 |
| dprince | jroll: I'm just not keen on all the split out here | 17:22 |
| dprince | jroll: I mean if we expected 10 more power management drivers over the next year, maybe | 17:22 |
| jroll | right, I'd like a concrete reason why. most of the issues I've heard are easily solved | 17:22 |
| dprince | jroll: even then, the main arguement seems to be quality of the "in-tree" drivers | 17:23 |
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| dprince | jroll: I don't think iboot, and wol are dragging down that quality | 17:23 |
| jroll | dprince: we want to be able to say "all drivers in tree are well tested" | 17:24 |
| krtaylor | put another way, why would we be different than any other project wrt vendor CI? | 17:24 |
| jroll | it's not that drivers are dragging down quality, it's that the quality is 100% unknown | 17:24 |
| dprince | krtaylor: other projects got it wrong in some cases | 17:24 |
| dprince | krtaylor: took it too far | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | one thing that in-tree drivers helps is to expand the driver interface... It's easy to argue about adding an extra parameter for example in one of the methods if it's in-tree | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | IMO | 17:24 |
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| lucasagomes | like when get_supported_boot_devices() was extended to add the "task" argument | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | because we needed to check the arch of the node instead of just returning an static list | 17:25 |
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| lucasagomes | small example, that is easy to reason about if the driver is in-tree when changing the base interfaces | 17:25 |
| dprince | just my prospective, I don't see any reason to penalize developers who have taken the extra time to enhance their dev environments with drivers which are super helpful at developing and testing Ironic | 17:25 |
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| dprince | perhaps out of tree makes sense for some vendors who don't generally engage upstream | 17:26 |
| dprince | sort of a pay to play model | 17:26 |
| jroll | dprince: I don't see the penalty, is my point | 17:26 |
| dprince | jroll: out of tree, out of site, out of mind | 17:26 |
| jroll | and we *want* to keep out of tree drivers working | 17:26 |
| dprince | jroll: i.e. I have to go and read the changelogs as to why interface X changed | 17:27 |
| jroll | I think they're super valuable | 17:27 |
| jroll | we don't want to break that interface | 17:27 |
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| dprince | jroll: right, I'm saying (in practice) it isn't perfect | 17:27 |
| dprince | jroll: look at the includes in all the vendor drivers | 17:27 |
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| jroll | no, but we're working towards that | 17:27 |
| jroll | yep | 17:27 |
| dprince | jroll: some of those I think might be considered internal drivers | 17:27 |
| jroll | we have a plan to get rid of those | 17:27 |
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| jroll | and have an actual driver api sort of thing | 17:28 |
| dprince | jroll: until there are versioned (internally versioned) libaries out of tree could be painful | 17:28 |
| dprince | jroll: that is all I'm saying | 17:28 |
| jroll | sure | 17:28 |
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| jroll | we also have 1.5+ cycles to figure out how to make it less painful | 17:29 |
| krtaylor | true | 17:29 |
| krtaylor | but, we have already started off down the runway | 17:29 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, what about documentation for out-of-tree drivers? | 17:30 |
| lucasagomes | things like http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/drivers/wol.html | 17:30 |
| lucasagomes | or http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/drivers/vbox.html | 17:30 |
| jroll | great question, we'll need to solve that somehow | 17:31 |
| jroll | readthedocs is pretty easy, and infra has support for it | 17:31 |
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| jroll | there's probably other good ways | 17:31 |
| lucasagomes | true, yeah we should give it some thought | 17:31 |
| krtaylor | it the spirit of big tent and fostering new projects (drivers) maybe therecan be a cross-project driver incubation repo | 17:31 |
| krtaylor | but we have time to brainstorm that | 17:32 |
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| krtaylor | so, the issue is that there are valuable drivers that developers are using, that cannot be tested as a part of our infra check pipeline | 17:33 |
| lucasagomes | krtaylor, right... they can be tested, but we just don't have $$ to actually test it | 17:34 |
| krtaylor | and that is a special case, maybe we can find a vendor that could? | 17:34 |
| * krtaylor thinks ipmi... | 17:34 | |
| lucasagomes | I think jroll is looking at it | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | for ipmitool for e.g | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | because that's our "main" (not sure I can say it) driver | 17:34 |
| jroll | yeah, I'm on top of ipmitool | 17:34 |
| jroll | "recommended" :) | 17:35 |
| jroll | so my thought is we roll forward with our plan, try to make it work well for those drivers, and go from there | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | IBM may want to do it for ipminative as well, since pyghmi is something they work on | 17:35 |
| krtaylor | yes, we are having those discussions also | 17:35 |
| jroll | and if it's super terrible for out of tree drivers, we either work really hard to fix it, or admit that out of tree in ironic is terrible and allow them back in tree with some other mechanism to say it's untested | 17:35 |
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| krtaylor | works for me | 17:36 |
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| lucasagomes | cool | 17:37 |
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| jroll | can we land this spec then? :D | 17:37 |
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| sambetts | I'm already maintaining an out of tree driver, and its not that bad right now, nothing has drastically broken anything recently | 17:37 |
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| krtaylor | jroll, +1000 | 17:37 |
| lucasagomes | sambetts, yeah we want to make it even better | 17:37 |
| sambetts | of course :) | 17:37 |
| * lucasagomes wants at least | 17:37 | |
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| jroll | lucasagomes: don't forget we had a whole session on the driver interface and came out with a plan :) | 17:38 |
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| sinval | jroll, I think there are some issues regarding testing, I'm not sure if krtaylor is planning to discuss that during this meeting... | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, right | 17:38 |
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| krtaylor | ok, we are winding down on that topic | 17:38 |
| jroll | sinval: open discussion? :) | 17:38 |
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| krtaylor | anyone object to moving on? | 17:39 |
| jroll | let's do it | 17:39 |
| sinval | jroll: can be | 17:39 |
| krtaylor | #topic General QA and Open Discussion | 17:39 |
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| jroll | sinval: whatcha got | 17:39 |
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| sinval | deva had comments about the testing session in the spec, something about: "None is not good for a testing spec" | 17:40 |
| jroll | sinval: oh, that's been fixed | 17:40 |
| krtaylor | that was a joke about a testing spec not having test impact :) | 17:41 |
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| krtaylor | it was the subject of the entire spec :) | 17:41 |
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| jroll | my open discussion topic: we have sporadic failures caused by either timeouts and/or pxe failures, still plaguing the gate for months (years?) now, and it's long past the point where we're terrible people for not fixing them | 17:41 |
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| jroll | #link http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1393099 | 17:41 |
| jroll | #link http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1408067 | 17:41 |
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| jroll | top 2 out of 3 on elastic recheck | 17:42 |
| jroll | we can't just let these sit anymore, we need someone working on them as hard as possible, and nothing else | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | that timeout is a PITA indeed | 17:42 |
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| jroll | clark b has the bug numbers memorized - that's how bad it is | 17:42 |
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| jroll | I tried to get to it, but I have way too much other stuff going on | 17:43 |
| jroll | I'm happy to prioritize it on my list, but would rather have a volunteer that knows this stuff well working on it | 17:43 |
| jroll | it's a terrible waste of infra resources :( | 17:43 |
| krtaylor | jlvillal will more than likely be interested, but I won't volunteer him | 17:43 |
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| krtaylor | #action find someone to work the transient timeout and pxe failures | 17:45 |
| * lucasagomes is also too busy to take a look | 17:45 | |
| lucasagomes | but I'm happy to help | 17:45 |
| jroll | no volunteers? :( | 17:45 |
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| krtaylor | I am too atm, maybe in a few weeks | 17:45 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, do we know at least why it takes so long? slow network when PXE booting? | 17:45 |
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| jroll | lucasagomes: probably slow gate nodes, I don't think localhost networking could be that slow | 17:46 |
| lucasagomes | tftp can be a real pain even for local network | 17:46 |
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| lucasagomes | right :-/ | 17:46 |
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| lucasagomes | sambetts, would be good to test ur tiny ipa there anyway | 17:47 |
| lucasagomes | it will consume fair less resources | 17:47 |
| sambetts | I was about to suggest that :-P | 17:47 |
| lucasagomes | should be very quick to boot that | 17:47 |
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| jroll | idk if it's always the boot being slow, either, hard to tell | 17:47 |
| jroll | could just be *everything* being slow | 17:47 |
| jroll | for instance, jay had a test yesterday where it timed out during cleaning | 17:48 |
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| sambetts | its a considerably smaller image to tranfer by tftp too, so that might help | 17:48 |
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| sambetts | :/ | 17:49 |
| lucasagomes | one thing that is hard to debug is the boot time | 17:49 |
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| lucasagomes | because every time we power on the nested VM | 17:49 |
| lucasagomes | the file which the console is redirect to is overwritten | 17:49 |
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| lucasagomes | so it's actually hard to see the logs and figure out how long did it take to boot | 17:49 |
| sambetts | yeah that is really frustrating for debuging inspector too | 17:49 |
| jroll | yep, need to fix that as well | 17:50 |
| jroll | I guess I'm going to get hacking on that stuff, then | 17:50 |
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| lucasagomes | yeah, improving the troubleshooting def helps | 17:51 |
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| jroll | I may also work on moving devstack code into our tree as a plguin, that will make it much easier to work on it I thin | 17:51 |
| jroll | k | 17:51 |
| jroll | and make devstack people super happy | 17:51 |
| lucasagomes | ++ | 17:51 |
| sinval | krtaylor: did you have the chance to think about those questions about testing in the spec? or we are going to postpone it? | 17:51 |
| jroll | sinval: have you looked at the spec since yesterday? | 17:52 |
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| jroll | sinval: what questions do you have that are still unanswered? | 17:52 |
| krtaylor | sinval, yes I replied, we will document | 17:52 |
| sinval | jroll, krtaylor I'm reading right now | 17:52 |
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| jroll | ok | 17:52 |
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| krtaylor | we are nearing the top of the hour, any other topics, questions? | 17:53 |
| sambetts | Nothign from me | 17:55 |
| krtaylor | going once...twice... | 17:56 |
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| sinval | ops | 17:56 |
| sinval | 1. Are we considering that the tempest-dsvm-pxe-ipa is enough for testing a patch impacts on a driver? | 17:56 |
| sinval | 1.1 If not: What are the base test cases for considering a driver CI as "reliable"? | 17:56 |
| sinval | 2. Can a CI implement specific test cases that are not in Ironic tree or even in the Tempest tree to ensure that their driver is not broke by a patch? | 17:56 |
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| sinval | 3. Are we considering implementation of functional test cases of driver interfaces to ensure that a CI is reliable? | 17:56 |
| sinval | just some things to think about, I'm not sure if it is clear to everyone | 17:57 |
| krtaylor | good questions, but don't have all the answers atm | 17:57 |
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| jroll | so, tl;dr 1) it's a good start, and we can add to it. 2) sure? :) 3) I haven't considered it much, but we should totally add things like power off/on calls to the API to tempest if they don't exist already | 17:58 |
| krtaylor | agreed :) | 17:59 |
| sinval | cool | 17:59 |
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| jroll | sinval: let's add those to the docs when we write those :) | 17:59 |
| sinval | jroll: sure | 17:59 |
| krtaylor | yes! I'll sign you up :) | 17:59 |
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| krtaylor | ok, so I think we are done here | 17:59 |
| krtaylor | thanks everyone! | 17:59 |
| jroll | thanks krtaylor :D | 17:59 |
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| sinval | o/ | 17:59 |
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| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 9 18:00:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2015/ironic_qa.2015-12-09-17.02.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2015/ironic_qa.2015-12-09-17.02.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2015/ironic_qa.2015-12-09-17.02.log.html | 18:00 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 9 21:00:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
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| blmartin | o/ | 21:00 |
| jrichli | hola | 21:00 |
| gmmaha | o/ | 21:00 |
| jlhinson | o/ | 21:00 |
| sgundur1 | hi | 21:00 |
| cutforth | yo! | 21:00 |
| ho | o/ | 21:00 |
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| tdasilva | hello | 21:00 |
| Zyric1 | hello | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| siva_krishnan | o/ | 21:00 |
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| wbhuber | p/ | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | welcome everyone :-) | 21:01 |
| travisn | o/ | 21:01 |
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| acoles | hi | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | big group today, so let's get started | 21:01 |
| notmyname | ah! eranrom is here. I'll come back to you soon since it's so late | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | first general info | 21:02 |
| eranrom | :-) | 21:02 |
| notmyname | you may have seen Zyric1 in the -swift channel. she's joining us for the next few months as part of the https://outreachy.gnome.org/ internship program | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | please welcome her and help her out | 21:02 |
| tdasilva | cool, welcome Zyric1! | 21:03 |
| jrichli | welcome, Zyric1! | 21:03 |
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| gmmaha | welcome Zyric1 | 21:03 |
| torgomatic | meeting meeting | 21:03 |
| Zyric1 | Thanks everyone! Really excited and happy to be working with you :) | 21:03 |
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| acoles | Zyric1: hi! | 21:03 |
| notmyname | she'll be working on one of those things that came up in the ops feedback session in tokyo: providing a method to get a list of accounts found in a swift cluster | 21:03 |
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| mattoliverau | Zyric1: \o/ | 21:04 |
| cutforth | welcome Zyric1 | 21:04 |
| sgundur1 | Zyric1: hi | 21:04 |
| blmartin | Zyric1: welcome! | 21:04 |
| ho | welcome! | 21:04 |
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| jlhinson | hi! | 21:04 |
| notmyname | Zyric1: I'm glad to have you with us making swift better :-) | 21:04 |
| kota_ | Zyric1: welcome | 21:04 |
| pdardeau- | Zyric1: welcome! | 21:04 |
| notmyname | here's our agenda for today (yes, there's a lot. we'll cover what we can) | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | for the sake of timezones, I want to jump briefly to the end and ask eranrom a question | 21:05 |
| notmyname | #topic container sync status update | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "container sync status update (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:05 | |
| notmyname | eranrom: what's going on with container sync? | 21:05 |
| notmyname | any blockers? what do you need? | 21:05 |
| eranrom | notmyname: thanks! | 21:05 |
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| eranrom | Well, the first (out of three patches) has been reviewed by clayg and acoles getting +2/-1 | 21:06 |
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| eranrom | Fixed all comments and awaiting to be re-review | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | ok | 21:06 |
| acoles | eranrom: you are on my todo list | 21:06 |
| notmyname | what's the link? | 21:06 |
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| eranrom | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205803/ | 21:06 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205803/ | 21:07 |
| notmyname | (for meetbot) | 21:07 |
| eranrom | In fact IBM wants to beta this pretty much as soon as it gets upstream | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | awesome | 21:07 |
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| eranrom | so would be great to have it in 2.5.1 | 21:07 |
| notmyname | so acoles will rereview it | 21:07 |
| eranrom | gr8 thanks!!! | 21:08 |
| notmyname | and we'll need another core to look too | 21:08 |
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| aerwin3 | o/ | 21:08 |
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| eranrom | you mean other then clayg? | 21:08 |
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| mattoliverau | I'm in Sydney office and thus meetings this week but will try and get eyes on it | 21:08 |
| notmyname | clayg had a family emergency come up this week and will be out for a bit | 21:09 |
| notmyname | thanks mattoliverau | 21:09 |
| eranrom | oh. | 21:09 |
| eranrom | hope all is/will be fine. | 21:09 |
| jrichli | thoughts go to clayg | 21:09 |
| eranrom | mattoliverau: Thanks! | 21:09 |
| notmyname | eranrom: anything else you need there? | 21:09 |
| eranrom | not now. Thanks! | 21:10 |
| notmyname | great! | 21:10 |
| notmyname | let's get it landed :-) | 21:10 |
| eranrom | :-) | 21:10 |
| notmyname | #topic patch (landable or nearly so) | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | hurricanerix: started the journey for patch 214206 to port functional tests to use testr (testrepository) | 21:11 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214206/ - Modify functional tests to use testr | 21:11 |
| notmyname | and we've had quite a few iterations there | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | the reason this is important is to better integrate with tempest, the openstack fucntional testing project | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | so it's a Big Deal for defcore and what can be called "swift" or not. (technicall, "openstack object storage", but whatever) | 21:12 |
| hurricanerix | notmyname: hehe, i think it was more than a journey. =) | 21:12 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:12 |
| notmyname | but I think we're very nearly at the end! | 21:12 |
| notmyname | thanks to mattoliverau and you and gmmaha! | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | so right now we've got a patch that passes everything and looks pretty good in our normal "run the tests" dev workflow | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | the only thing is that the in-process tests end up spewing all of the logging to stdout (or at least the tty) now | 21:13 |
| notmyname | which makes running the tests that way pretty unusable | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | guess which way they are run in the gate? ;-) | 21:13 |
| notmyname | so gmmaha has a follow-on patch (may be rolled in?) to suppress the logging | 21:14 |
| notmyname | I think if that one looks good we should be able to land it | 21:14 |
| gmmaha | notmyname: patch 255457 | 21:14 |
| patchbot | gmmaha: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255457/ - Option to supress logs for in_process test | 21:14 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:14 |
| blmartin | n | 21:14 |
| notmyname | so take a look, if not for a review then at least to see what the functional test output looks like now. | 21:14 |
| mattoliverau | I think if we go back to pipe through unittest we can hide the extra outout | 21:15 |
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| mattoliverau | Output even | 21:15 |
| mattoliverau | *I think | 21:15 |
| notmyname | that would be nice | 21:15 |
| notmyname | ok, next nearly landable patch. | 21:16 |
| acoles | notmyname: gate runs both forms, in-process and normal right? | 21:16 |
| notmyname | acoles: perhaps in different jobs, yes | 21:16 |
| notmyname | patch 241571 | 21:16 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241571/ - Put part-replicas where they go | 21:16 |
| notmyname | this is the ring patch | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | actually, based on all the of the comments from everyone, I think this one is ready to land. today. | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | thanks to ho and acoles/HPE and kota_ and briancline and dfg/rax and torgomatic and of course clayg for running all those tests and rings through this patch | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | are there any objects to landing this patch now? | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | we've got a +2 from sam, a +1 from another core, 2 more +1s from other deployers. and tons of comments (positive) in the review comments | 21:19 |
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| acoles | notmyname: no objections from us | 21:19 |
| acoles | notmyname: lorcan had +1 but looks like it got lost on an update | 21:20 |
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| mattoliverau | So acoles is your other +2 :) | 21:20 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | I added mine too, with a +A | 21:21 |
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| acoles | phew | 21:21 |
| notmyname | thanks everyone. this one is a pretty big deal :-) | 21:21 |
| notmyname | acoles: lol | 21:21 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on | 21:21 |
| acoles | great work clayg, for the record | 21:21 |
| notmyname | #topic patches, status updates | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | pyeclib version update patch has landed | 21:21 |
| notmyname | next step is to raise the min version up. that just be much less painful | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | since all the packages (liberasurecode) are in the distros and on the jenkins slaves now | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | other one to look at is patch 206105 | 21:23 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206105/ - Use entrypoints for storage policy implementation ... | 21:23 |
| notmyname | this one is getting good feedback | 21:23 |
| notmyname | torgomatic and acoles make very good arguments :-) | 21:23 |
| notmyname | this one is a small code change but bigger from a philosophy POV | 21:24 |
| notmyname | sortof | 21:24 |
| notmyname | so please take a look | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | any questions on it? | 21:24 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:25 |
| notmyname | #topic patches that need reviews | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | all of them. | 21:25 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 21:25 |
| notmyname | but... | 21:25 |
| mattoliverau | Lol | 21:25 |
| notmyname | patch 156293 is blocking crypto work (and is a good idea anyway) | 21:26 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156293/ - Use correct regex for EC2 tempest gating (MERGED) | 21:26 |
| notmyname | this is the copy middleware patch | 21:26 |
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| tdasilva | wrong patch number i think | 21:26 |
| jrichli | patch 156923 | 21:26 |
| patchbot | jrichli: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156923/ - Refactor server side copy as middleware | 21:26 |
| notmyname | oops | 21:26 |
| notmyname | thanks :-) | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | the biggest question I have is around the TODO in the commit message | 21:27 |
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| wbhuber | ho and i have been looking into it. i've hit a snag when trying to come up with a file that handles as a common helper function for both copy as middleware and versioned_write middleware. | 21:27 |
| notmyname | anyone care to give an update on this patch? what does it need? is there more work to be done before reviews? | 21:27 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:27 |
| notmyname | wbhuber: how can we help? | 21:28 |
| wbhuber | notmyname: still thinking of right questions to ask. =] | 21:28 |
| ho | I would like to know background of place for the middleware in pipeline (before *lo) | 21:28 |
| notmyname | heh ok | 21:28 |
| acoles | doing the commit message todo would also fix a bug with SLO post i think | 21:28 |
| notmyname | ah, good | 21:28 |
| notmyname | yeah, there's several things going on there. COPY middleware, fast-POST, and SLO post stuff | 21:29 |
| notmyname | all kinda tangled togetehr | 21:29 |
| wbhuber | fast-POST -> SLO -> copy as middlware -> encryption? | 21:29 |
| acoles | i think it would obviate need for patch https://review.openstack.org/248219 | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | acoles: doing the todo in the copy middleware patch? | 21:30 |
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| tdasilva | yeah...I can work with wbhuber to make copy middleware happen | 21:30 |
| notmyname | the copy middleware patch has bounced around several times? who's the current "owner"? wbhuber? ho? tdasilva? | 21:30 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: awesome. thanks | 21:30 |
| wbhuber | ppai is no longer working on it? | 21:30 |
| acoles | notmyname: yes, but maybe there is a related issue around copying the internal manifest format? | 21:30 |
| wbhuber | tdasilva: that'd be terrific. | 21:31 |
| * acoles needs to study it some more tbh | 21:31 | |
| tdasilva | acoles: that patch refers to copy hook, since that would be removed is the patch still valid? | 21:31 |
| jrichli | thanks, tdasilva! | 21:31 |
| tdasilva | jrichli, wbhuber: sorry my time has been bouncing around and difficult to predict | 21:31 |
| jrichli | tdasilva: no worries :-) | 21:32 |
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| wbhuber | tdasilva: understood. | 21:32 |
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| acoles | tdasilva: sorry, let me be clearer, bug 1260446 is what i hope will be fixed by COPY moving to left of SLO | 21:32 |
| openstack | bug 1260446 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "when you copy a slo the destination doesn't get its content-length and etag set correctly in the container listings" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1260446 - Assigned to Alistair Coles (alistair-coles) | 21:32 |
| tdasilva | acoles: oh yeah, ok | 21:32 |
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| acoles | patch 248219 was my attempt on master but its not pretty | 21:32 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248219/ - Fix listing of SLO manifest bytes after POST or COPY | 21:32 |
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| tdasilva | there's an issue with the original slo manifest getting modified on a PUT, so still need to think how to fix that, but we can have that conversation later | 21:34 |
| notmyname | so what I'm hearing is wbhuber and tdasilva will get the patch into better shape, then ho and acoles will look at it? does that sound right? | 21:34 |
| notmyname | the copy middleware patch | 21:34 |
| notmyname | acoles: or do we need to get fast-post first? | 21:34 |
| notmyname | would that make things easier? | 21:34 |
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| acoles | notmyname: copy does not depend on fast post. fixing the content length bug for poast-as-copy would mean i can test it in fast-post, so there's a weak dependency there | 21:36 |
| acoles | post* | 21:36 |
| tdasilva | sounds good | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | ok, great | 21:36 |
| acoles | notmyname: so plan sounds ok | 21:37 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:37 |
| notmyname | next. patch 202411 | 21:37 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202411/ - Add functional test for access control (RBAC) with... | 21:37 |
| notmyname | this is ho's RBAC tests patch | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | it's long but formulaic for adding a bunch of new functional tests | 21:37 |
| notmyname | ho: is there anything other than reviews you need on this one? | 21:38 |
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| ho | notmyname: i need performance improvement on this and i tried it so i would like to have re-review. | 21:39 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:39 |
| notmyname | next. patch 117710 for concurrent reads | 21:39 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117710/ - Add concurrent reads option to proxy | 21:39 |
| notmyname | definitely a performance improvement for swift | 21:39 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: your last comment there implies some further work or discovery | 21:40 |
| notmyname | anything you need from the rest of us? | 21:40 |
| notmyname | hoping mattoliverau is still here ;-) | 21:40 |
| notmyname | ok, he said he might have to step out | 21:41 |
| notmyname | last one I wanted to mention is much smaller in scope than all the rest! | 21:41 |
| notmyname | so it's easy! | 21:41 |
| notmyname | patch 252096 | 21:41 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252096/ - Allow smaller segments in static large objects | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | not that we have ranges in SLOs, the hard 1MB limit per segment doesn't make as much sense. torgomatic improved it to be a rate limit instead of a hard min segment size | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | it should improve the life of anyone using SLOs | 21:42 |
| notmyname | and I think that's it for patches! | 21:42 |
| notmyname | whew | 21:42 |
| torgomatic | and hopefully keep operators' lives roughly the same difficulty | 21:42 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:42 |
| notmyname | #topic next releases | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | swiftclient release has been in the works all week. AFAICT everything is now good from our side | 21:43 |
| notmyname | it had to be 2.7.0 since it's the first at the start of the mitaka cycle | 21:43 |
| notmyname | but otherwise, it's a very small release | 21:43 |
| notmyname | the most significant thing being "last py26 supported release | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | so I hope to see that be tagged very soon | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | for swift, I'd like to do a release soon as well | 21:44 |
| notmyname | the ring change will be there. hopefully the container sync improvements :-) | 21:44 |
| mattoliverau | Sorry in commute, re: concurrent reads, yeah clays last change meant there were some greenlet craziness, I have a diff that fixes it but causes more issues. I'll need to work on it a little more | 21:44 |
| notmyname | and all the other stuff we've been working on | 21:44 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: ok, thanks. can you set WIP until you have somethign you want us to look at? | 21:45 |
| mattoliverau | Sure can! | 21:45 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:45 |
| notmyname | any questions on releases? | 21:45 |
| notmyname | ok, last up is general stuff going on | 21:46 |
| notmyname | #topic other status updates | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | acoles: where are with with the EC improvement patches? I feel like we've dropped the ball | 21:46 |
| notmyname | (my fault) | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | acoles: you an I can talk about that later and come up with a plan to land some patches, if you want | 21:47 |
| acoles | notmyname: no ball dropped. so there are three that depend on https://review.openstack.org/231121 which clayg and peluse have reviewed | 21:47 |
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| acoles | and imho its in good shape i.e. patch 231121 | 21:48 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231121/ - Make ECDiskFile report all fragments found on disk | 21:48 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:48 |
| notmyname | good | 21:48 |
| kota_ | will review | 21:48 |
| notmyname | thanks kota_ | 21:48 |
| acoles | the the others are linked as dependent patches from there, and they bring the real value | 21:48 |
| kota_ | because my patch depends on that | 21:48 |
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| acoles | 231121 is just getting supporting things sorted in diskfile | 21:49 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:49 |
| acoles | thanks kota_ ! | 21:49 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: anything to report on container sharding? | 21:49 |
| mattoliverau | Yeah, were making good progress | 21:49 |
| mattoliverau | IBM have given a few bodies to help test and do some dev work | 21:50 |
| notmyname | great! | 21:50 |
| mattoliverau | I'm thinking we might be getting to a point where we might need to think about making a feature brach so all the people can more easily work on it upstream | 21:51 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: what do you need to make progress there? any other eyes or hands? just time to do the typing and thinking? | 21:51 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: ah? | 21:51 |
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| mattoliverau | But really ATM, I think it's more thinking and working time | 21:51 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:51 |
| notmyname | thanks for the update | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | we should talk more later about a feature branch or not | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: any updates for us on crypto work? | 21:52 |
| mattoliverau | Sure, we might want to wait until IBM testing and benching comes back | 21:52 |
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| jrichli | just chugging along ... most of the trello cards are assigned. just need to finish them | 21:52 |
| notmyname | #link https://trello.com/b/63l5zQhq/swift-encryption | 21:52 |
| notmyname | jrichli: and you need copy middleware ;-) | 21:52 |
| jrichli | Yes :-) | 21:53 |
| tdasilva | heh | 21:53 |
| acoles | yes! | 21:53 |
| notmyname | ok :-) | 21:53 |
| tdasilva | got the msg | 21:53 |
| notmyname | wow. we got through all the things on the agenda! | 21:53 |
| notmyname | #topic hackathon | 21:53 |
| acoles | tdasilva: no pressure there :) | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | so the next hackathon | 21:53 |
| kota_ | yey | 21:54 |
| notmyname | acoles and HPE are hosting in bristol (UK) in early february next year | 21:54 |
| jrichli | YAY! | 21:54 |
| tdasilva | early? | 21:54 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: oh. oops | 21:54 |
| notmyname | late february! | 21:54 |
| notmyname | he and I are working on logistics, and we'll be getting that available asap | 21:55 |
| notmyname | very late february | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | week of feb 28 | 21:55 |
| tdasilva | ;) | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | practically early march | 21:55 |
| acoles | almost summer in fact | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | lol | 21:56 |
| acoles | http://tinyurl.com/npssaf4 | 21:56 |
| ho | lol | 21:56 |
| kota_ | lol | 21:56 |
| notmyname | acoles: I expect good conversation around a table in a warm pub with dark beer! | 21:56 |
| wbhuber | acoles: will we have elvenses? =] | 21:56 |
| eranrom | I will drink for that | 21:56 |
| tdasilva | shouldn't the hackathon be hosted at a pub? | 21:57 |
| acoles | you mean a dark pub with warm beer surely? | 21:57 |
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| eranrom | for that too | 21:57 |
| jrichli | lol | 21:57 |
| notmyname | anything else to bring up in the meeting this week? | 21:57 |
| tdasilva | just a quick question on the entrypoints patch: eikke mentioned on a comment that there's still work to do, should it be marked as WIP and do we know if he is still working on it? | 21:57 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: he's definitely still working on it and interested in it | 21:58 |
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| acoles | can I just mention bug 1487791 - there's a discussion to be had (on launchpad) about what the right fix is for that, I'd appreciate others' opinions | 21:59 |
| openstack | bug 1487791 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "POST to DLO squashes data without fast-POST" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1487791 | 21:59 |
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| notmyname | acoles: right. you had a good comment today. I want to respond this afternoon | 21:59 |
| acoles | on launchpad, not here. | 21:59 |
| acoles | notmyname: thanks | 21:59 |
| notmyname | we're out of time here ;-) | 21:59 |
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| notmyname | thanks for coming today. thanks for working on swift! | 22:00 |
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| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 9 22:00:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-12-09-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-12-09-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-12-09-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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