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| ttx | dhellmann: around? | 13:02 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 13:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting releaseteam | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 12 13:02:48 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 13:02 |
| ttx | Last of our Liberty meetings, i'll give you the chair baton for the next ones | 13:03 |
| dhellmann | sounds good | 13:03 |
| ttx | (probably when back from Tokyo) | 13:03 |
| ttx | I don't have much | 13:03 |
| ttx | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Cycle_Management#Meeting | 13:03 |
| ttx | #topic Liberty release coordination | 13:03 |
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| ttx | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-final-release | 13:03 |
| ttx | We are on the last line | 13:04 |
| ttx | 3 things | 13:04 |
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| ttx | 1/ Keep on track of things that may trigger a late respin | 13:04 |
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| ttx | I'll be in touch today with PTLs that have stable/liberty changes up, just in case | 13:04 |
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| ttx | but nothing has been mentioned yet | 13:05 |
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| dhellmann | ok, good | 13:05 |
| ttx | There is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232917/ | 13:05 |
| ttx | which if accepted would trigger requirements syncs all over | 13:05 |
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| dhellmann | do we still need it? | 13:05 |
| ttx | My current take is to merge it first thing after release | 13:05 |
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| ttx | if still needed | 13:05 |
| ttx | was that bumped ? | 13:06 |
| dhellmann | no, that is still the most current version of requests, I thought it was possible they had fixed it | 13:06 |
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| ttx | not fixed yet. I'd say it's not a critical problem unless we have stuff to merge | 13:07 |
| ttx | we /could/ merge it and ignore the syncs | 13:07 |
| dhellmann | do you know if the distros are aware of the issue? | 13:07 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that's another approach | 13:07 |
| dhellmann | I guess at this point the main concern is to communicate that we know this version breaks us in some ways | 13:07 |
| ttx | we already ignore a number of syncs, like translations | 13:07 |
| ttx | We can make a release notes note | 13:08 |
| dhellmann | but it's not clear to me whether we're really *broken* or just broken because of the images used in the gate | 13:08 |
| dhellmann | ok | 13:08 |
| ttx | that's what we did to avoid such late blacklisting in the past | 13:08 |
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| * dhellmann nods | 13:08 | |
| ttx | maybe flaper87 can shine some light | 13:08 |
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| ttx | whether we're really *broken* or just broken because of the images used in the gate | 13:08 |
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| ttx | I'm fine approving the requirements blacklist pre-release, if we stand ready to -2 the resulting syncs | 13:09 |
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| ttx | since those are often blindly approved | 13:09 |
| ttx | we need to catch them before they are | 13:10 |
| dhellmann | yeah, do you think we would catch them all before someone approved one? | 13:10 |
| ttx | we probably would, if we can predict when that triggers | 13:10 |
| dhellmann | release day is this thursday, right? | 13:10 |
| ttx | yes | 13:10 |
| ttx | so let's go through the other last things first | 13:11 |
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| ttx | 2/ Release notes | 13:11 |
| ttx | A number of people are chasing projects down so that they fill them | 13:11 |
| dhellmann | good | 13:11 |
| ttx | there is the weird question of scope, since there is no integrated release anymore | 13:11 |
| ttx | We said we'd chase down release:managed ones and make sure those are done | 13:12 |
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| dhellmann | I'll hold off on the reno announcement until after the work on the wiki page has settled down | 13:12 |
| ttx | and anyone else is fine to add | 13:12 |
| ttx | 3/ Release day. | 13:12 |
| ttx | On Thursday I consolidate the release pages on Launchpad, which takes nearly forever | 13:12 |
| ttx | and retag | 13:12 |
| ttx | (which doesn't take that long) | 13:12 |
| ttx | so Thursday is basically too late for respins | 13:13 |
| ttx | Wednesday is the very last moment for that | 13:13 |
| ttx | I'll try to get most of the launchpad foo done in the EU morning | 13:13 |
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| ttx | I'll say that getting rid of that would remove a lot of work from release day. | 13:14 |
| dhellmann | when you say "consolidate" what does that mean? | 13:14 |
| ttx | but then I digged that hole | 13:14 |
| ttx | well, it's about moving everything that's been done on milestones to the final release page, by retargeting bugs and blueprints | 13:14 |
| dhellmann | ah | 13:14 |
| ttx | so that "the release" shows everything that's been done, instead of nothing | 13:15 |
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| dhellmann | ah, right, I forgot you do that because we ended up not doing it for oslo | 13:15 |
| ttx | let me find some pointers | 13:16 |
| ttx | just in case | 13:16 |
| ttx | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseTeam/How_To_Release#Final_release_2 | 13:16 |
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| ttx | Anything I'm missing ? | 13:17 |
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| dhellmann | I think that's it. I couldn't tell just from scrollback whether we were waiting for any critical issues other than the requests requirement block | 13:17 |
| ttx | So.. back on the topic of the requests blacklist | 13:17 |
| * flaper87 reads backlog | 13:18 | |
| dhellmann | it sounds like not? | 13:18 |
| ttx | two options | 13:18 |
| ttx | Plan A is to freeze that until post-release, secretly hoping requests will update their release anyway | 13:18 |
| ttx | Plan B is to approve the requierments change now and -2 the syncs | 13:18 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: we were trying to tell how much trouble the requests 2.8 release is causing us | 13:18 |
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| ttx | Benefit of Plan B is that the requirements (and syncs) will be in, in case we urgently need them at the last minute for a late respin to pass tests | 13:19 |
| flaper87 | mmh, my current problem is this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232462/ | 13:19 |
| dhellmann | whether plan A can work depends on the nature of the issue -- if it's a packaging problem they may not fix it, because of the vendoring upstream vs. separate packages downstream | 13:19 |
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| flaper87 | That backport for liberty is blocked by this requests issue | 13:19 |
| ttx | Drawback of Plan B is we need to catch the syncs before some trigger-happy PTL approved them | 13:19 |
| flaper87 | it's probably not critical and we could wait, FWIW | 13:19 |
| ttx | but even in that case we could retag the RC tag rather than HEAD, so it's not a critical issue | 13:20 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: is the problem related to a change in the behavior of requests? | 13:20 |
| flaper87 | yes | 13:20 |
| ttx | in both plans we would add a note to the RElease notes saying requests 2.8.0 sucks | 13:20 |
| flaper87 | There's a GH issue for it | 13:20 |
| flaper87 | lemme look it up | 13:20 |
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| flaper87 | but, tl;dr: it is not behaving the same way | 13:21 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: ok, whenever requests comes up I hear about the packaging stuff so I wasn't sure if this was a real code change | 13:21 |
| ttx | flaper87: any other gate (other than python-glanceclient) broken by that ? | 13:21 |
| flaper87 | to be precise, the vendored urllib3 in requests is not behaving as it should | 13:21 |
| flaper87 | ttx: yup | 13:21 |
| flaper87 | 2s | 13:21 |
| flaper87 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ospurge/+bug/1503768 ospurge | 13:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1503768 in python-glanceclient "keystoneclient.exceptions.RequestTimeout with requests==2.8.0" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Flavio Percoco (flaper87) | 13:22 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I think we can do plan B if we know when to catch the syncs. | 13:22 |
| flaper87 | but the exception in that bug is from keystoneclient so, I'd expect keystoneclient to be broken by this too | 13:22 |
| ttx | fungi: do you know when the requirements syncs are triggered ? Is it on merge or a periodic job ? | 13:23 |
| fungi | on merge | 13:23 |
| flaper87 | I believe it's periodic | 13:23 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I agree we can probably catch them. That won't solve flaper87's problem for glanceclient, but it will at least signal to distros that we have a known issue | 13:23 |
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| flaper87 | u, I take that back | 13:23 |
| flaper87 | fungi: knows better | 13:23 |
| ttx | flaper87: it's just that the merge is periodic | 13:23 |
| flaper87 | ttx: lol | 13:24 |
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| fungi | hah | 13:24 |
| fungi | well, the constraints proposals are periodic | 13:24 |
| ttx | fungi: does it take a while to trigger though, or is it relatively predictable ? | 13:24 |
| fungi | (in an actual, non-joking sense) | 13:24 |
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| flaper87 | dhellmann: if only we knew when the next requests release will go out, I think we could avoid this. | 13:24 |
| ttx | I could approve it early tomorrow morning while the gate is calm and catch the syncs while most people are asleep | 13:25 |
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| dhellmann | flaper87: have you talked with sigmavirus24_awa about that? he's part of that team, isn't he? | 13:25 |
| flaper87 | to be safe, we should probably skip that versoin but the uncapped requirement should be enough to install the newest and be done with it | 13:25 |
| fungi | ttx: it goes into the post pipeline, so if there's a resource starvation delaying post pipeline commits getting workers for their jobs then it will be however long that is plus something like 30 minutes for the job to run to completion | 13:25 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: he's part of the team and I tried to reach out last week but TZs didn't work | 13:25 |
| ttx | or we could even temporarily disable the stable/liberty sync | 13:25 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: ack | 13:25 |
| ttx | fungi: oh, that is why I thought it's periodic | 13:25 |
| ttx | because when the gate is busy that can take quite a few hours | 13:25 |
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| fungi | i should also check that the job is currently running properly. i'll have a look at a recent job log for it | 13:26 |
| ttx | one more reason to approve while gate is calm | 13:26 |
| ttx | dhellmann: so.. plan A or plan B ? | 13:26 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I do sort of like the idea of disabling the job for now, just to be safe, as long as we remember to turn it back on | 13:26 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: B | 13:27 |
| dhellmann | good morning, dims | 13:27 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: I think the risk profile is low enough to avoid the extra work in disabling/reenabling | 13:27 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://github.com/kennethreitz/requests/issues/2811 | 13:27 |
| ttx | I'll approve it first thing tomorrow morning and block the syncs when they come through | 13:27 |
| flaper87 | That's the GH issue | 13:28 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yeah, if you do it early tomorrow I think that will be true | 13:28 |
| ttx | deal | 13:28 |
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| dhellmann | flaper87: so the patch is merged but not released, it seems | 13:28 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 13:28 |
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| flaper87 | yup, I just double checked and requests' latest is still 2.8.0 | 13:28 |
| ttx | Anything else ? | 13:28 |
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| dhellmann | I'm going to spend more time on that between now and thursday, too, since I'm delivering the talk thursday | 13:29 |
| dhellmann | I'll leave comments with the parts where folks had questions, so we can figure out whether to add more info or leave space for q&a at the end of the talk | 13:29 |
| fungi | fyi, log of most recent requirements update job: | 13:30 |
| fungi | #link http://logs.openstack.org/f8/f82ab92ed8ff1a278391a196a39382fbb4211583/post/propose-requirements-updates/7347d46/console.html.gz | 13:30 |
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| fungi | most recent for stable/liberty i mean, of course | 13:30 |
| dhellmann | fungi: ty | 13:30 |
| fungi | that corresponds to the current branch tip of stable/liberty in the openstack/requirements repo, so barring more recent breakage than thursday when that ran, should be fine | 13:31 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: I was going to send email today or tomorrow to start communicating with ptls for mitaka about planning and process changes. I'll hold off on bringing up reno until after thursday so they don't confuse that with the current release notes process. | 13:31 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: it looks like there are some other library releases, too, so I'll probably handle those today | 13:34 |
| ttx | ack | 13:34 |
| Guest2821 | dhellmann: ttx: ok with sending out a bunch of oslo library releases from master today? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233326/ | 13:35 |
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| dims__ | dhellmann: ttx: ok with sending out a bunch of oslo library releases from master today? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233326/ | 13:35 |
| dims__ | dhellmann: ttx: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232678/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233256/ | 13:36 |
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| dhellmann | dims__: yeah, that should be fine. I'll handle the others | 13:36 |
| ttx | yep | 13:36 |
| dims__ | thanks i'll take care of those 3 items | 13:36 |
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| ttx | ok, anything lese before we close ? | 13:37 |
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| ttx | else* | 13:37 |
| dhellmann | that's all I have | 13:37 |
| ttx | alright then | 13:37 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 13:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 12 13:37:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-10-12-13.02.html | 13:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-10-12-13.02.txt | 13:37 |
| ttx | Thx everyone | 13:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-10-12-13.02.log.html | 13:37 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 12 14:02:45 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| e0ne | hi | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| boris-42 | ping everybody | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:02 |
| amaretskiy | hi | 14:03 |
| lcazares | hello | 14:03 |
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| ylobankov | hi | 14:03 |
| boris-42 | redixin: oanufriev_ andreykurilin ping | 14:03 |
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| andreykurilin | \o/ | 14:04 |
| boris-42 | let's wait few more seconds | 14:04 |
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| redixin | dzien dobry | 14:04 |
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| rvasilets | hi | 14:04 |
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| boris-42 | mbonell_: hi | 14:05 |
| oanufriev_ | hi all | 14:05 |
| boris-42 | okay GO GO GO GO | 14:05 |
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| boris-42 | topic [mbonell] Blueprint discussion. New command to install Tempest's plugins in rally verify - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/install-tempest-plugins | 14:05 |
| boris-42 | mbonell_: ^ so | 14:06 |
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| rvasilets | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/install-tempest-plugins | 14:06 |
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| boris-42 | mbonell: So I believe that this is nice feature | 14:08 |
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| boris-42 | mbonell: maybe we should call the command rally verify install-plugin | 14:08 |
| mbonell | sorry problems with my connection | 14:08 |
| boris-42 | _matthias_: instead of just pluign* | 14:08 |
| boris-42 | _matthias_: sorry* | 14:09 |
| mbonell | ok, yes sure! is a better name | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | mbonell: ^ | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | mbonell: we already have install command so it will be unfied | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | e.g. you can install tempest or it's plugins | 14:09 |
| mbonell | yes | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | mbonell: otherwise it looks good to me | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | ylobankov: andreykurilin ^ what do you think guys? | 14:09 |
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| mbonell | tranks | 14:10 |
| mbonell | thanks* | 14:10 |
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| andreykurilin | ` rally verify install-plugin` sounds good to me | 14:10 |
| ylobankov | I like `rally verify install-plugin` :) | 14:10 |
| mbonell | :) | 14:11 |
| lcazares | me too | 14:11 |
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| boris-42 | Okay so let's just do the quick fix in BP and get it approved | 14:11 |
| mbonell | ok! | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | mbonell: it's approved https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/install-tempest-plugins | 14:12 |
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| boris-42 | let's move to next topic ? | 14:12 |
| mbonell | and is my first BP, so what are the next steps? Just star working on it? | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | mbonell: actually you could just make a code even without BP =) | 14:12 |
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| boris-42 | mbonell: so yep just make some code and do the git review | 14:13 |
| mbonell | excellent! | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | mbonell: thanks for working on this=) | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | #topic [lcazares] Blueprint discussion. Add optional parameters at rally container creation to auto-register an Openstack deployment. | 14:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "[lcazares] Blueprint discussion. Add optional parameters at rally container creation to auto-register an Openstack deployment. (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:13 | |
| boris-42 | lcazares: hi there | 14:14 |
| lcazares | yes | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | lcazares: so what is the case for this? | 14:14 |
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| lcazares | just to have a working container after it is up... I mean with a deployment already registered | 14:14 |
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| lcazares | that way if I need a quick test I can create/ destroy the container with less commands... | 14:15 |
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| yfried | hi | 14:16 |
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| boris-42 | lcazares: btw does docker image accept arguments? | 14:16 |
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| redixin | lcazares, there is one problem | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | lcazares: didn't see that .. | 14:16 |
| redixin | boris-42, it accept | 14:16 |
| redixin | but | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | redixin: hm nice | 14:17 |
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| boris-42 | yfried: hi | 14:17 |
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| redixin | lcazares, where rally database will be stored? | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | redixin: so I have answer on this | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | redixin: we should refactor our Docker image | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | redixin: to use sqlite inside it | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | redixin: and provide instruction how to make persistance storage | 14:18 |
| redixin | ok. then we have other problem | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | redixin: what is the other problem?) | 14:18 |
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| redixin | changes will not be saved after we exited container | 14:19 |
| redixin | and changes in rally.db will be lost | 14:19 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: it's not the problem | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | redixin: as I said we will make the insturction how to make persistance storage | 14:19 |
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| redixin | we already have docs how to make persistent storage | 14:20 |
| stpierre | we already have that | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | redixin: stpierre I know | 14:20 |
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| redixin | so what will be changed? | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | redixin: rally-manage db recreate called in container | 14:20 |
| redixin | we add "rally-manage db recreate" to Dockerfile? | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | redixin: Yep | 14:20 |
| stpierre | you can't map volumes during container build | 14:21 |
| stpierre | so that won't work | 14:21 |
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| redixin | and if we use external volume, it will "overload" default storage, right? | 14:21 |
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| stpierre | yes | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | redixin: stpierre hm there is no way to create file in docker container? | 14:23 |
| redixin | so we have two options: built-in empty database (or not empty). this changes to this database are lost after exiting container (unless we commit them) | 14:23 |
| stpierre | you can create a file in the container | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | that will contain DB? | 14:23 |
| redixin | and second option is what we have now | 14:23 |
| stpierre | but if we create the db in the Dockerfile, then anyone using persistent storage will have to recreate it; and anyone not using persistent storage will lose any data they store in the database between invocations of the container | 14:23 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: those who are using persistance storage are already quite f**ed up by installation tutorial | 14:24 |
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| stpierre | and this still doesn't get us closer to the ultimate desired feature, to auto-register a deployment, since you can't pass arguments to 'docker build' | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: and in most case people do not need results | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: after termitnation of container | 14:24 |
| stpierre | it's not just results, it's also things like deployments. without persistent storage you have to recreate your deployment(s) every time you run the container | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | lcazares: btw you can have persistance storage | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: but why? | 14:25 |
| stpierre | yeah, the solution to this feature request really seems to be persistent storage, which is already possible and documented | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: you can register it during the build or not? | 14:25 |
| stpierre | how? | 14:25 |
| stpierre | you'd have to explicitly write it in to the dockerfile | 14:26 |
| stpierre | because you can't pass arguments to the build | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: ah | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: in any case I was asked few times already | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: to make docker image work without magic and persistance storage | 14:26 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: just to work out of box | 14:26 |
| redixin | this is nature of docker -_- | 14:27 |
| stpierre | creating the database in the Dockerfile mostly does that, but in a way that I think is fairly unintuitive. | 14:27 |
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| stpierre | but it doesn't make things any worse for people who want to run with persistent storage, so it's not all bad | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | redixin: nature of docker is pain? | 14:28 |
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| redixin | nature of docker is "be useless" | 14:28 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: stpierre so let's just run rally-manage db recreate (if it does not use persistance storage) | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | redixin: stpierre can we check that on fly? | 14:29 |
| stpierre | no | 14:29 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: we can | 14:29 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: we can check whatever DB exist or not | 14:29 |
| stpierre | no, you can't. volume mapping is determined at container run time, not build time. | 14:29 |
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| redixin | seeing message "run rally-manage db recreate" is enough as for me | 14:29 |
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| stpierre | we can just create the database during the build; if someone uses persistent storage, they'll mount a volume over it | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: and it will work ? | 14:30 |
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| stpierre | fsvo "work" | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: if so let's do it | 14:30 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: I mean it won't purge each time persistance storage | 14:30 |
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| stpierre | correct | 14:30 |
| redixin | so it all about just adding "rally-manage db recreate"? | 14:30 |
| redixin | also user can commit changes after each run | 14:31 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: yep | 14:31 |
| boris-42 | redixin: so let's add this one line | 14:31 |
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| boris-42 | lcazares: and in your case you should just create once persistance storage like in docs | 14:32 |
| boris-42 | is describe | 14:32 |
| redixin | stpierre, is it possible to access env during build? | 14:32 |
| redixin | i mean if we run '. openrc admin admin' and run 'docker build' | 14:32 |
| stpierre | nope | 14:32 |
| redixin | sad | 14:32 |
| boris-42 | redixin: mreeeee pain | 14:32 |
| redixin | so we only can add tutorial 'how to create deploymet in docker images having only . openrc admin admin' | 14:33 |
| redixin | or something similar | 14:33 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: hehe maybe | 14:35 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: stpierre https://review.openstack.org/233665 | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | okay let's move to next topic | 14:35 |
| lcazares | just a quick comment | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | #topic [amaretskiy] What are the most critical bugs and features (required) in HTML reports? | 14:36 |
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| boris-42 | lcazares: sure | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | lcazares: so? | 14:36 |
| lcazares | the env could be passed at docker run instead of docker build | 14:36 |
| amaretskiy | as already discussed with boris-42, there are 2 major tasks for html reports | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: wait please | 14:36 |
| amaretskiy | ok | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | lcazares: but it just opens console | 14:37 |
| lcazares | so the idea would be to add the deployment data when doing the docker run | 14:37 |
| redixin | lcazares, it is possible already | 14:37 |
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| lcazares | ok, I'll take a look | 14:37 |
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| lcazares | thanks guys | 14:38 |
| boris-42 | lcazares: you can pass whole DB of Rally to docker | 14:38 |
| redixin | lcazares, we can do anything and commit changes, or we can do anything and use persistan storage | 14:38 |
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| boris-42 | lcazares: from your disk | 14:38 |
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| boris-42 | lcazares: or commit after you make proper changes like redixin is saying | 14:38 |
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| redixin | boris-42, it opens console by default. you can pass any command and arguments to 'docker run' | 14:39 |
| lcazares | ok :) | 14:39 |
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| boris-42 | okay | 14:40 |
| redixin | docker run rallyforge/rally rally-manage db recreate # it will create db. and there is no need to commit if we use persistent storage | 14:40 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: your turn | 14:40 |
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| amaretskiy | it looks clear with html reports - 2 major tasks are 1) rework reports UI for new task format and 2) rework scenarios output | 14:41 |
| amaretskiy | does any have anything to add? | 14:41 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: scenario output include the stuff related in scenario base | 14:41 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: I mean it should be refacotre do extend the schema of output | 14:41 |
| amaretskiy | yes, I will add a new method to Scenario class | 14:42 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: I believe you should write spec before doing anything | 14:42 |
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| amaretskiy | boris-42: ok | 14:42 |
| amaretskiy | will do | 14:42 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: because I am not sure that somebody is understanding about what you talking | 14:42 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: except me=) | 14:42 |
| amaretskiy | okay | 14:42 |
| amaretskiy | spec only for for reworking scenarios output charts? | 14:43 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: yep | 14:43 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: and not only charts | 14:43 |
| amaretskiy | for UI for new task format? | 14:43 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: whole refactoring | 14:43 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: nope I don't care about that part * | 14:43 |
| amaretskiy | okay | 14:43 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: just make it pretty | 14:43 |
| boris-42 | okay let's do the next topic | 14:44 |
| boris-42 | #topic [redixin] Docker pull downloads all tags by default | 14:44 |
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| amaretskiy | UI for new task format requires a lot of changes in template/JS | 14:44 |
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| amaretskiy | ok | 14:44 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: are you arround? | 14:46 |
| redixin | yep | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | redixin: so any comments ideas I don't know | 14:46 |
| redixin | so amaretskiy confirmed that docker pull rallyforge/rally:latest download only latest | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | redixin: yep | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | redixin: and? | 14:46 |
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| redixin | I was thinking do not use tags for releases | 14:47 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: I do not understand you =( | 14:47 |
| redixin | but use different images instead. like 'docker pull rallyforge/rally-0.1.1' | 14:47 |
| boris-42 | redixin: that may be a good idea | 14:48 |
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| boris-42 | and have rally-latest image | 14:48 |
| redixin | or just 'rally' | 14:48 |
| boris-42 | yep | 14:48 |
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| boris-42 | because pepole usually are doing docker pull rallyforge/rally | 14:48 |
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| boris-42 | and then it starts ........ using all your HD | 14:49 |
| boris-42 | or SSD =) | 14:49 |
| redixin | and all your internets | 14:49 |
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| redixin | currently it takes 1.1 gigabytes | 14:50 |
| redixin | what will be later? | 14:50 |
| redixin | when someone run 'docker pull rallyforge/rally' | 14:50 |
| redixin | and download all 24 releases | 14:51 |
| redixin | 4G | 14:51 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: ya that sux | 14:51 |
| stpierre | can't we delete old tags and only maintain the last 2 or 3 or N releases? | 14:51 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: so I like your idea | 14:51 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: nope | 14:51 |
| stpierre | :( | 14:51 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: people is using old releases | 14:51 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: I know people that are using rally0.0.3 | 14:51 |
| stpierre | but that would be included in the last 2 releases | 14:52 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42: `people is using old releases`. people uses old releases because they are supported | 14:54 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: it is not supported LOL | 14:54 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: it just exist LOL | 14:54 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: andreykurilin so in any case even if we support like 5 releases | 14:54 |
| boris-42 | it will be more then 1 GB to download each time | 14:54 |
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| boris-42 | which is really bad | 14:55 |
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| stpierre | meh, docker eats disk like crazy. anyone running docker needs to be willing to deal with that, IMO. we can limit how much disk it eats, but that's pretty much what docker does best. | 14:55 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: so why not just having X images | 14:56 |
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| stpierre | afaik that's not The Docker Way™ | 14:56 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: we can actually have for each release branch like 0.1, 0.2, .... single image with bunch of tags | 14:56 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: but in rallyforge/rally there will be only one image | 14:57 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: latest master | 14:57 |
| stpierre | so it'd be a little strange. not necessarily bad. | 14:57 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: and in rallyforge/rally-stable the latest release | 14:57 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: or we can have rally-all to put all the shit inside it | 14:58 |
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| redixin | we can do nothing for now, but back to this topic later :] | 14:58 |
| stpierre | right, i understand the proposal, it's just not The Docker Way. that's precisely what tags are for. we're reinventing tags with image names to save disk space | 14:58 |
| stpierre | which, like i said, isn't necessarily *bad*, just strange. | 14:58 |
| boris-42 | ok | 14:58 |
| boris-42 | I have some small update as well | 14:58 |
| redixin | probably they change default behavior | 14:58 |
| boris-42 | #topic ceritification task | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ceritification task (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:59 | |
| boris-42 | we are working on this https://github.com/openstack/rally/tree/master/certification/openstack | 14:59 |
| boris-42 | One single task that can do the properl load for YOUR cloud | 14:59 |
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| boris-42 | so please join us in this effort * | 14:59 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 12 14:59:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-10-12-14.02.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-10-12-14.02.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-10-12-14.02.log.html | 14:59 |
| boris-42 | thanks to everybody | 14:59 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 12 15:00:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
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| anteaya | hello | 15:00 |
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| eantyshev | hello! | 15:00 |
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| anteaya | hello eantyshev | 15:00 |
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| anteaya | how are you today? | 15:00 |
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| eantyshev | rather good, thank you! | 15:01 |
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| anteaya | glad to hear it | 15:01 |
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| anteaya | is there anything you would like to discuss today? | 15:01 |
| * mmedvede lurking around | 15:01 | |
| anteaya | hello mmedvede | 15:01 |
| eantyshev | last week I tried several times to 'promote' my zuul change: https://review.openstack.org/207094 | 15:02 |
| anteaya | no point in lurking with just the three of us | 15:02 |
| mmedvede | hi everyone | 15:02 |
| mmedvede | good point | 15:02 |
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| anteaya | eantyshev: when you say promote what do you mean? | 15:02 |
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| eantyshev | could be of particular interest for 3rd party CIs | 15:02 |
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| eantyshev | I mean to draw attention of somebody able to merge | 15:03 |
| lennyb | Hi | 15:03 |
| asselin_ | hi | 15:03 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: ah okay great | 15:03 |
| anteaya | lennyb asselin_ hello | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | eantyshev: well I think you had quite a few conversations with clarkb about it last week | 15:03 |
| anteaya | so you are getting some attention | 15:03 |
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| mmedvede | eantyshev: I am interested in the change. We currently have 600 "fake" projects in our zuul layout just because of that problem | 15:04 |
| anteaya | we are discussing this patch | 15:04 |
| eantyshev | yes, but it seems to get distracted and there was no conclusion | 15:04 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207094/ | 15:04 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: yes, that is the world of infra | 15:04 |
| anteaya | I suggest that after today try to find jeblair and see if you can get him to leave a comment on the patch with his thoughts | 15:05 |
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| anteaya | changes to queuing behaviour are made reluctantly since we don't want to break what is working | 15:05 |
| eantyshev | mmedvede: it would be great to get your thoughts on that too | 15:05 |
| clarkb | eantyshev: I wanted you to talk to jeblair about it | 15:05 |
| anteaya | clarkb: thank you | 15:06 |
| clarkb | so no conclusion but a definitive next step | 15:06 |
| mmedvede | eantyshev: I do not know why I did not leave +1 on it, reviewing now | 15:06 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: so clarkb gave you a next step, can you follow through on that? | 15:06 |
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| * asselin_ will also review | 15:07 | |
| eantyshev | clarkb: sorry, I thought you wanted to discuss this with him by yourself | 15:07 |
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| eantyshev | clarkb, anteaya: I'll contact jeblair when I see him | 15:07 |
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| anteaya | eantyshev: wonderful, since parts of the states are having a holiday today, you may find him today you may not | 15:07 |
| anteaya | any more on this topic? | 15:08 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have another topic they would like to discuss today? | 15:08 |
| lennyb | yep | 15:08 |
| anteaya | lennyb: go ahead | 15:08 |
| lennyb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231439/ | 15:08 |
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| anteaya | what is the context please? | 15:08 |
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| lennyb | sometimes we need to combine more than 1 run of tempest to results | 15:09 |
| anteaya | can you expand with details? | 15:09 |
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| anteaya | I can't envision what you describe | 15:09 |
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| lennyb | this patch cambines N subunit files to 1 html with backward capatibility to all CIs | 15:10 |
| anteaya | does anyone else understand what lennyb is trying to do | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | and can try to explain it to me | 15:10 |
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| asselin_ | anteaya, so if you have to run multiple different invocations of test to run different unit tests, how can you combine the results of each invocation into a single html report | 15:11 |
| lennyb | Sometimes we need to run external script between tempest tests and we need to combine tempest output files ( subunit file ) to one html result | 15:11 |
| anteaya | asselin_: thank you | 15:11 |
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| anteaya | okay I suggest you find folks who are core reviewers on that repo and have a chat with them about your patch | 15:13 |
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| anteaya | I don't know enough about testr and the vision for it to form an opinion | 15:13 |
| anteaya | but thank you for taking the time to offer a patch | 15:13 |
| lennyb | anteaya: sure. I wander if any other CI ops need to combine tempest runs to one html result file | 15:14 |
| anteaya | good question | 15:14 |
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| anteaya | anyone else experiencing the same issue as lennyb? | 15:14 |
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| clarkb | just combine the stream files? | 15:15 |
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| lennyb | clarb: yes | 15:15 |
| mmedvede | lennyb: not us. I see the usefulness of it though | 15:15 |
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| asselin_ | I also see if useful. Can the files not be combined outside of the script though? | 15:15 |
| clarkb | lennyb: no I mean just use cat | 15:16 |
| clarkb | I am not sure why os-testr needs to support this directly | 15:16 |
| lennyb | asselin_: yes, basically they can be. | 15:17 |
| lennyb | clarkb: yes, they can, but I've thought it will be nice to expand functionality of the script :) | 15:18 |
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| clarkb | generally I prefer to leave that ot the shell | 15:19 |
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| asselin_ | I agree with clarkb. If it can be done separately, it follows the shell pipe-and-filter design paradigm | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | lennyb: can you understand the feedback you have gotten? | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | do we need more time on this topic? | 15:22 |
| mmedvede | wouldn't you have to do some sed/gluing of several html files then? | 15:22 |
| lennyb | anteaya: yes | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | lennyb: great thank you | 15:22 |
| anteaya | can we move on? | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | let's move on | 15:23 |
| anteaya | does anyone have another topic they would like to discuss today? | 15:23 |
| mmedvede | so I have a simple review as well (as I see we bring reviews up), for those interested in zuul swift upload | 15:24 |
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| mmedvede | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229582/ | 15:24 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: what would you like folks in the meeting to do? | 15:25 |
| mmedvede | It rearranges code and makes zuul swift upload a bit more configurable | 15:25 |
| anteaya | are you asking for help in getting it moving? | 15:25 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: not asking for help moving | 15:26 |
| anteaya | okay | 15:26 |
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| anteaya | are you asking for folks to review it? | 15:26 |
| anteaya | or just making them aware the patch exists? | 15:26 |
| mmedvede | yes, but only those who are interested in zuul swift upload | 15:26 |
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| anteaya | okay for those interested, this patch exists | 15:27 |
| anteaya | any comments? | 15:27 |
| anteaya | does anyone have anything more on this topic? | 15:28 |
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| anteaya | any objection moving to another topic? | 15:28 |
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| mmedvede | go ahead, thank you | 15:28 |
| anteaya | thank you mmedvede | 15:28 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have any other topic they would like to discuss? | 15:29 |
| anteaya | does anyone have any objection to me closing the meeting? | 15:29 |
| asselin_ | I have something | 15:30 |
| anteaya | asselin_: go ahead | 15:30 |
| asselin_ | my single-node common-ci patch merged last week | 15:30 |
| anteaya | congratulations | 15:30 |
| anteaya | nice work | 15:30 |
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| asselin_ | #link single-node common-ci https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200330/ | 15:31 |
| anteaya | well done | 15:31 |
| asselin_ | Thanks! I'm still working on adding some documentation | 15:31 |
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| anteaya | has anyone had a chance to test asselin_'s work at all? | 15:32 |
| asselin_ | although that patch has quite a bit already that should be sufficient for those already familiar with puppet & 3rd party ci | 15:32 |
| eantyshev | asselin_: does it allow to create over-cloud on many machines? | 15:32 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: nice. I might try to use it next time we need to create a separate pipeline, easier than bringing separate servers | 15:32 |
| anteaya | #link single-node common-ci documentation-patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227584/ | 15:33 |
| asselin_ | eantyshev, what do you mean by "over-cloud"? | 15:33 |
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| asselin_ | mmedvede, cool, and thanks for your reviews on that patch, they were very helpful! | 15:33 |
| eantyshev | asselin_: nova instance from which to get slave VMs | 15:33 |
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| asselin_ | eantyshev, yes, the patch uses nodepool, and you can configure nodepool to connect to many clouds | 15:34 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: yw, glad to be helpful | 15:34 |
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| eantyshev | asselin_: I saw some nodepool plugin for devstack, and thought it allows to establish the cloud | 15:35 |
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| asselin_ | eantyshev, I think that one is used for testing purposes | 15:36 |
| asselin_ | eantyshev, otherwise, you can configure nodepool to connect to any cloud vi it's auth url, username and password | 15:36 |
| asselin_ | eantyshev, in our setup, we connect to 5-6 of them | 15:37 |
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| eantyshev | asselin_: thanks, I got it | 15:37 |
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| anteaya | nice work here asselin_ | 15:37 |
| anteaya | so if you know someone starting out perhaps you can suggest they try puppet-openstackci | 15:38 |
| asselin_ | #link nodepool example: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config-example/tree/nodepool/nodepool.yaml#n44 | 15:38 |
| asselin_ | eantyshev, see this example ^^ | 15:38 |
| anteaya | and if they hit a blocker help them figure out how to file a bug | 15:38 |
| asselin_ | eantyshev, however I will be migrating it to use the oscc, clouds.yaml file, this way there are no credentials in nodepool.yaml | 15:39 |
| eantyshev | asselin_: nice thing to start with, indeed | 15:39 |
| asselin_ | eantyshev, but otherwise this is what we use currently | 15:39 |
| asselin_ | eantyshev, just add another section to "providers" for each cloud you need | 15:39 |
| eantyshev | asselin_: I already use clouds.yaml | 15:40 |
| asselin_ | eantyshev, ok, then you're one set ahead :) | 15:40 |
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| asselin_ | step | 15:40 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: can you remind the gist of why it is a bad thing to have credentials in nodepool.yaml | 15:40 |
| eantyshev | asselin_: and should I move on to use secure.conf, BTW? | 15:41 |
| mmedvede | because then you can not store it in project config? | 15:41 |
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| mmedvede | asselin_: I think I answered my own question :) | 15:41 |
| asselin_ | mmedvede, it's not necessarily 'bad', it just means you need to restrict access to the project that contains your passwords | 15:41 |
| asselin_ | eantyshev, yes you need to. The single-node ci scripts will automatically set that up for you | 15:42 |
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| eantyshev | asselin_: I don't feel like to completely switch my CI to the new puppets | 15:43 |
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| eantyshev | asselin_: so, just making changes to the private puppets tree | 15:43 |
| asselin_ | eantyshev, up to you of course. However you should at least use the puppet-openstackci classes | 15:45 |
| anteaya | is there more to be discussed on this topic? | 15:46 |
| anteaya | thank you for mentioning the topic asselin_ | 15:47 |
| asselin_ | if anyone tries to use the patch or has questions, please ping me | 15:47 |
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| anteaya | did you have plans to post to the -dev mailing list? | 15:48 |
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| anteaya | asselin_: will do | 15:48 |
| anteaya | or did you want the docs patch to merge first? | 15:48 |
| asselin_ | anteaya, yes, and yes | 15:48 |
| anteaya | ah great | 15:48 |
| asselin_ | but open to opinions | 15:48 |
| anteaya | sounds good then | 15:48 |
| anteaya | having docs in place first will save you a load of time | 15:48 |
| anteaya | very nice work here | 15:49 |
| asselin_ | thanks | 15:49 |
| anteaya | this is a great achievement | 15:49 |
| anteaya | :) | 15:49 |
| anteaya | *round of applause* | 15:49 |
| mmedvede | +1 | 15:49 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss today? | 15:50 |
| asselin_ | thanks...glad to finally get to the point :) | 15:50 |
| asselin_ | this* | 15:50 |
| anteaya | yes, it has been a long haul | 15:50 |
| anteaya | thank you for the sustained effort | 15:50 |
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| anteaya | any more topics to discuss today? | 15:51 |
| anteaya | any objection to me closing the meeting? | 15:52 |
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| anteaya | thank you all for your kind attendance and participation today | 15:52 |
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| anteaya | as advance notice the third party meetings I chair, this one Monday utc 15:00 and Tuesday utc 08:00 will be canceled the week of summit | 15:53 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: thanks | 15:53 |
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| anteaya | tonyb is working on a new function in yaml2ical to skip meetings on the agenda | 15:54 |
| asselin_ | anteaya, thans | 15:54 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:54 |
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| anteaya | see you next week | 15:54 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 12 15:54:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-10-12-15.00.html | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-10-12-15.00.txt | 15:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-10-12-15.00.log.html | 15:54 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 12 16:00:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | hello | 16:01 |
| ^Gal^ | hi | 16:01 |
| _gryf | hi | 16:01 |
| akuznetsova | hi | 16:01 |
| LimorStotland | Hi | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | ^Gal^: welcome back :) | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | to you all ) | 16:01 |
| ^Gal^ | Hi :) thanks! | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | let's start | 16:01 |
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| xylan_kong | hi, guys | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | by the time we get to interesting things I hope all people will join | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | hi! | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | 1. rakhmerov, NikolayM: review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230237/ | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | done | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | let's report the status quickly, if you have something | 16:03 |
| ^Gal^ | I'm back in work after a vacation at Vietnam which was great. | 16:03 |
| ^Gal^ | Last week I encountered many problems with my Ubuntu VM, so I've reinstalled the entire partition from scratch (5 times .....) | 16:03 |
| ^Gal^ | Sadly I've lost every of execution update code | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | oooh, gosh!! | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | really?? | 16:03 |
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| ^Gal^ | yeah :( | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | F...k | 16:04 |
| ^Gal^ | yeah it sucks, no sectors nothing | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let it be the worst problem in your life ) | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's go on | 16:04 |
| xylan_kong | ^Gal^: maybe you can create you own branch in github :-) | 16:04 |
| ^Gal^ | I could even use our git :) | 16:05 |
| ^Gal^ | have me some remote brances | 16:05 |
| akuznetsova | I was looking through our updated docs and filed bug for remarks, also I've tested UI and I've prepared list of things which I don't like, I am going to file bugs | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, you can actually just send WIP patches | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | this is a solution as well | 16:05 |
| ^Gal^ | akuznetsova: sounds great | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | ok, be careful moving forward | 16:06 |
| xylan_kong | my status: | 16:06 |
| xylan_kong | * Fix the error message displayed when authentication failed with auth_enabled=True | 16:06 |
| xylan_kong | * thinking about what Mistral could do in M dev cycle(or later), wrote all my thoughts in the etherpad | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | my status: getting Launchpad into order (Liberty series, BP statuses etc.), sent a few simple patches, reviewed a bunch of patches and was 50% involved into internal things | 16:06 |
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| xylan_kong | I'm about to write the doc for service api in next couple days, but i am not sure whether i can finish it before release day | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: I saw what you wrote, looks good. Looking forward to discuss all this in person at the summit | 16:07 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: ok, i hope so | 16:07 |
| akuznetsova | ^Gal^, here is a list http://paste.openstack.org/show/476036/, any objections ? | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: it would be great if you completed this doc before release | 16:07 |
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| ^Gal^ | akuznetsova: I'm taking a look | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, I'm planning to make the release approximately on Wed just so we have a couple of days for QA | 16:08 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: i'll try, i hope i won't be interrupted by internal issues :-) | 16:08 |
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| ^Gal^ | akuznetsova: looks great!! | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:09 |
| ^Gal^ | in my eyes all of these are bugs | 16:09 |
| akuznetsova | ^Gal^, ok, will file bugs for every item)) | 16:09 |
| xylan_kong | ^Gal^: seems our UI guys will be busy | 16:09 |
| ^Gal^ | lol :D | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | :)) | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | hope so | 16:09 |
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| ^Gal^ | hehe :) | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:10 |
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| xylan_kong | akuznetsova: thanks for the testing | 16:10 |
| NikolayM | hi everyone | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | any roadblocks, issues in your work you'd like to discuss? | 16:10 |
| xylan_kong | hi, NikolayM | 16:10 |
| NikolayM | sorry, I'm late | 16:10 |
| LimorStotland | hi NikolayM | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | ^Gal^: not asking you :) I got your issue | 16:10 |
| ^Gal^ | rakhmerov: lol | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM: what's your status? | 16:10 |
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| NikolayM | my status: Finished working on ssh connectivity problem (now it is possible using proxy VM) | 16:11 |
| NikolayM | Fixed hardcoded mistralclient version | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | ok, btw there's an agenda item to discuss your patch | 16:12 |
| xylan_kong | NikolayM: do you have use case to use proxy VM? | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:12 |
| xylan_kong | for ssh | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: yes, let's talk about it tomorrow, I'll explain you | 16:12 |
| NikolayM | xylan_kong, yes | 16:12 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: ok, all right | 16:12 |
| NikolayM | ok | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | in two words: it's one of the ways to solve the problem with accessing guest network from management network | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | we just have a proxy VM with a floating IP | 16:13 |
| LimorStotland | ooh it's what we talk about in vancouver? | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | I'm not saying it's the best way (there others that we're planning to explore) but we need it for our internal stuff | 16:14 |
| xylan_kong | hmm, sounds like something Zaqar does | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | LimorStotland: yes | 16:14 |
| LimorStotland | I know it sound familiar :-) | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: exactly, Zaqar is another possible way | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | but we need it fast whereas we don't have a nice integration with Zaqar now and I'm not really aware of Zaqar status at this point | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | but we will implement Zaqar way as well | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, I'm actually getting into details )) | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | let's continue | 16:15 |
| xylan_kong | :-) | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | it's ok | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Official Liberty Release health | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | so I think we're mostly ok, in short | 16:16 |
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| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: seems there are some mistralclient bugs still not set milestone | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | there are still some bugs in progress but I need to clarify their status | 16:17 |
| xylan_kong | e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-mistralclient/+bug/1502840 | 16:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1502840 in python-mistralclient "Http Response is shown, In case of 'OS_AUTH_URL' is not set." [Undecided,Fix committed] - Assigned to hardik (hardik-parekh047) | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | yep, it's because there's not an open milestone at client LP | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | I'll fix it tomorrow | 16:18 |
| xylan_kong | ok | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: make sure client bugs are assigned to milestones | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, this is a Liberty-rc2 page: https://launchpad.net/mistral/+milestone/liberty-rc2 | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | Documentation is mostly fine, akuznetsova fully reviewed it and created a bug with all the remarks about the doc | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | so doc BP is going to be closed | 16:19 |
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| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, correct, here is a link https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1504582, let's assign it to corresponding milestone | 16:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1504582 in Mistral "Remarks to updated documentation" [Undecided,New] | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | so my plan is to have 1 day (tomorrow) make final bugfixes/adjustements, then backport needed patches made after RC1 into stable/liberty and release RC2 which we're planning to test via QA | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: yep, thanks | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | done | 16:21 |
| akuznetsova | thanks | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | ^Gal^: btw, is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-docs-troubleshooting done? | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | we recently merged your patch which was related to this but I wasn't sure if it covers this BP completely | 16:22 |
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| ^Gal^ | hmm | 16:23 |
| ^Gal^ | what I covered was mistral-dashboard stuff | 16:23 |
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| ^Gal^ | by mistral-dashboard side, yep we're done | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, then I need to check that BP again | 16:24 |
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| ^Gal^ | ok | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: check if https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-docs-troubleshooting is completed (it's finished from UI side) | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | ^Gal^: what about UI BPs? Moving to Mitaka? | 16:25 |
| ^Gal^ | yeah | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | I guess they won't be completed in 1 day | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | so, generally I'm planning to have official Liberty release on Thu or Friday | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | most likely Fri | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | guys, do you have any concerns or questions? Or anything you want to do before the release? | 16:27 |
| ^Gal^ | wooohoo congrats | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | it's high time you said if you need something | 16:27 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, what about this bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-async-actions-doc ? | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: it's on my TODO list for this week | 16:28 |
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| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, ok, please, set status, assignee and priority | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | yes, just did | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | thanks | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | will do my best to get it done | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | anything else? | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | counting to 5 and go the next topic | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | 1 | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | 2 | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | 3 | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | 5 | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | sold! | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:30 |
| NikolayM | :D | 16:30 |
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| LimorStotland | :-) | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Discuss https://review.openstack.org/232507 | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | NikolayM, xylan_kong: let's dicuss it | 16:31 |
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| NikolayM | Yes, I want to discuss this patch | 16:31 |
| xylan_kong | yeah, ok | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | so, xylan_kong, looks like NikolayM addressed most of your concerns | 16:31 |
| NikolayM | I think we could get rid of tempest at all | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | except one: these tests can't work w/o OpenStack as long as we use tempest | 16:31 |
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| NikolayM | or we won't be able to run tests w/o OpenStack | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM: get rid of tempest? what's the alternative? | 16:32 |
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| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, there were a couple of reasons why these tests were write using tempest | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | as far as I understand, if we set auth to false then we can run these tests w/o OpenStack, right? | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | isn't it enough? | 16:33 |
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| NikolayM | alternative is to create our own library for requests (like tempest) | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: I know, yes | 16:33 |
| xylan_kong | NikolayM: no, if we continue to be in OpenStack big tent, we should use Tempest for our functional testing | 16:33 |
| NikolayM | no, it is just kind of workaround | 16:33 |
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| akuznetsova | xylan_kong, that's not quite right | 16:33 |
| xylan_kong | especially, one day, if we want mistral test case to be included in DefCore :-) | 16:33 |
| NikolayM | yep, then we don't need to get rid of tempest | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | I agree with xylan_kong here, we should try to be aligned with OpenStack practices | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | unless it conflicts with common sense :) | 16:34 |
| NikolayM | yes | 16:34 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, as far as I know, heat and sahara do not use tempest for real functional tests | 16:35 |
| NikolayM | xylan_kong, what about your question about running tests without OpenStack? | 16:35 |
| xylan_kong | for mistral functional tests, if it must work with OpenStack, we should define skip_check method | 16:35 |
| xylan_kong | if OpenStack is not installed, then just skip the tests | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: how does a test know that? | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | if OS is installed or not | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | just a config option? | 16:36 |
| xylan_kong | via configuration | 16:36 |
| xylan_kong | yes | 16:36 |
| xylan_kong | right | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:36 |
| xylan_kong | like tempest does now | 16:36 |
| akuznetsova | tempest does not work without Openstack | 16:36 |
| xylan_kong | but tempest can work without a perticular service | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: you mean there's no config option to disable OpenStack in tempest? | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | hm.. sorry guys, I'm not that familiar with tempest | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | can you clarify this? | 16:37 |
| NikolayM | tempest is created for OpenStack tests :) | 16:37 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, correct, tempest can't work with OS, it authorize in keystone | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova says tempest can't be used w/o OpenStack, xylan_kong says somehow we can do it | 16:37 |
| akuznetsova | *without | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | where is the truth? :) | 16:37 |
| xylan_kong | akuznetsova:let me make it clear | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | yes, please do | 16:38 |
| LimorStotland | I and i think this flug can be useful not only for testing but for all the stand alone feather | 16:38 |
| NikolayM | tempest has config options meaning that one or another service is available | 16:38 |
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| xylan_kong | if we want to run mistral functional tests, we must install tempest first, right | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | LimorStotland: I didn't quite understand you | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: ok, and? | 16:39 |
| xylan_kong | then we got tempest configuration, and we can config items to decide if the services mistral needs is there, if no, we just skip the tests which need OpenStack installed | 16:40 |
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| xylan_kong | am I right? akuznetsova NikolayM ? | 16:40 |
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| LimorStotland | if i am following this conversation (and i am not so sure i am any more :-) ) xylan_kong want to add fulg for the config if we have openstack or not | 16:41 |
| LimorStotland | is this correct? | 16:41 |
| xylan_kong | take https://review.openstack.org/232507 for example, you need nova and neutron | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:41 |
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| xylan_kong | if anyone of them is not installed, then we skip the tests | 16:41 |
| NikolayM | neutron is not necessary here, I think | 16:41 |
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| NikolayM | Can you imagine OpenStack without compute service? | 16:42 |
| NikolayM | or, that is correct case? | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: ok, when we use this decorator we just need to specify a dependency on particular services, right? | 16:43 |
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| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: yes | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | LimorStotland: yes, sort of ) | 16:43 |
| xylan_kong | NikolayM: hmm, let me think | 16:43 |
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| xylan_kong | NikolayM: so, you just want to decide whether OpenStack is installed or not, right? don't care about the specific service? | 16:44 |
| NikolayM | xylan_kong, generally yes | 16:44 |
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| akuznetsova | as far as I understand such flags work only for tests which located in tempest repo | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | then we can just set a dependency from Nova, right? | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | meaning that Nova always exists if OpenStack is installed | 16:45 |
| NikolayM | if you want to run tests just without OpenStack (even without auth), take a look at run_functional_tests.sh script | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | can we do this? | 16:45 |
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| akuznetsova | guys, our main problem is not nova, neutron, etc, keystone - tempest always use authorization | 16:46 |
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| rakhmerov | I'm confused. Someone of you told that auth can be disabled | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | if so we can disable it and run w/o OpenStack, no? | 16:47 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, yes, using some hacks | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | what hacks? | 16:47 |
| akuznetsova | we can disable auth in api tests | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | can we make it configurable? | 16:48 |
| akuznetsova | but how we can disable auth in tests for openstack actions ? | 16:48 |
| LimorStotland | but keystone should always be installed because all services are using authorization.so i don't understand the problems kuznetsova | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | LimorStotland: that's exactly what we're trying to agree on | 16:48 |
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| LimorStotland | akuznetsova sorry google translate :-) | 16:48 |
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| akuznetsova | xylan_kong, what tests you want to skip ? | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | we need to be able to run tests w/o OpenStack | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | we're just trying to understand how | 16:49 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, which tests ? | 16:49 |
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| LimorStotland | sorry i am behind :-( | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | functional tests | 16:49 |
| akuznetsova | api / cli / tests for actions ? | 16:49 |
| xylan_kong | akuznetsova: i mean, if we have test case needs openstack installed, and we want to run the tests without openstack, there must be a mechanism to skip | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | ok, guys, we're running out of time so let me please drive the following conversation | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | the goal we're trying to achieve: | 16:50 |
| NikolayM | xylan_kong, rakhmerov, we have run_functional_tests script | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | wait a sec | 16:50 |
| NikolayM | which can run API functional tests without auth at all | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | 1. We have functional tests | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | 2. Part of the func tests are not related logically with OpenStack | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | 3. Part of them are related with OpenStack | 16:51 |
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| NikolayM | yes, API tests generally are not related to OpenStack | 16:52 |
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| akuznetsova | xylan_kong, problem is that now we should skip all tests ) because they use tempest, tempest uses authorization in keystone before tests running | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | 4. We want to be able to run functional test with OpenStack (full set of tests) and without OpenStack so that in this case all test dependent on OpenStack are just skipped | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong, akuznetsova, NikolayM: do you all agree with my points? | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | is this our goal? | 16:52 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, yes, but I don't see now how we can run tests which use tempest without auth and without hacks | 16:53 |
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| NikolayM | for me 'run_functional_tests' is fine | 16:53 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: it's aslo my understanding, akuznetsova NikolayM we can discuss this in another time | 16:53 |
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| rakhmerov | NikolayM: how does it work? that script | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | how does it bypass the problem that akuznetsova describes | 16:54 |
| NikolayM | as akuznetsova said, with some kind of hacks | 16:54 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, using that https://github.com/openstack/mistral/blob/master/mistral/tests/functional/base.py#L220 | 16:54 |
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| akuznetsova | overring and mocks | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM: if we run this script what happens tests that depend on OpenStack? | 16:55 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, script runs only api tests | 16:55 |
| NikolayM | It doesn't run tests depending on Openstack | 16:56 |
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| NikolayM | only API tests | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | how does it distinguishes them? | 16:56 |
| NikolayM | yes, thanks akuznetsova | 16:56 |
| NikolayM | by tests path | 16:56 |
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| NikolayM | only tests/api directory | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | oooh... | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | I see now | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: do you think it's acceptable for us? | 16:57 |
| xylan_kong | NikolayM: how our gate distinguishes them? | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | or you disagree with this approach? | 16:57 |
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| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: he just told about it, it just looks at their path | 16:57 |
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| NikolayM | gate does not run them | 16:58 |
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| akuznetsova | our dsvm gate run all tests | 16:58 |
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| rakhmerov | https://github.com/openstack/mistral/blob/master/run_functional_tests.sh#L17 | 16:58 |
| NikolayM | yep, but it runs all tempest tests (without this script) | 16:58 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, xylan_kong we do not use run_functional_tests in our gates | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | I know, yes | 16:59 |
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| rakhmerov | I am just asking Lingxian if this is ok to run this script if we need to run func tests w/o OpenStack | 16:59 |
| _gryf | maybe the question is: are there any tests which are not run on the gate, but ran by the sctipt? | 16:59 |
| akuznetsova | _gryf, no | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | _gryf: now | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | no | 16:59 |
| xylan_kong | akuznetsova, NikolayM you mean OpenStack related tests won't be run in our gate? | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | brrrr.... | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | :))) | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | no | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | they run at our gate | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | ok, guys, sorry, we ran out of time | 17:00 |
| xylan_kong | ok, i got | 17:00 |
| _gryf | so, what's the point of discusing the script on the first place? | 17:00 |
| NikolayM | no, I mean on gate that script is not used | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: let's continue tomorrow in IRC | 17:00 |
| xylan_kong | :-) | 17:00 |
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| _gryf | it;s role is to mock the lack of openstac, no? | 17:01 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov, NikolayM, akuznetsova thanks all of you | 17:01 |
| xylan_kong | for patience | 17:01 |
| rakhmerov | _gryf: we just need an ability to run tests w/o OpenStack | 17:01 |
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| rakhmerov | those that don't depend on OpenStack at all | 17:01 |
| _gryf | rakhmerov, on the gate? | 17:01 |
| rakhmerov | that's what that script does | 17:01 |
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| akuznetsova | _gryf, locally | 17:01 |
| rakhmerov | no, not on the gate | 17:02 |
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| rakhmerov | locally | 17:02 |
| _gryf | hm. ok. | 17:02 |
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| akuznetsova | cause mistral can work w/o OpenStack | 17:02 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's end the meeting. We're occupying the channel | 17:02 |
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| rakhmerov | thanks for joinging! see you tomorrow in IRC | 17:02 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 17:02 |
| ^Gal^ | bye have a good week | 17:02 |
| xylan_kong | thanks guys, appreciate your explanation | 17:02 |
| akuznetsova | bye | 17:02 |
| _gryf | bye | 17:02 |
| LimorStotland | bye | 17:02 |
| rakhmerov | sure | 17:02 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 17:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 12 17:03:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-10-12-16.00.html | 17:03 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-10-12-16.00.txt | 17:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-10-12-16.00.log.html | 17:03 |
| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 12 17:03:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 17:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:03 |
| matjazp | hey all | 17:03 |
| matjazp | roll call | 17:03 |
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| janonymous_ | o/ | 17:03 |
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| matjazp | hey janonymous_ | 17:04 |
| janonymous_ | Hi matjazp | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | hmm.. lets wait a bit if anyone else shows up | 17:05 |
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| matjazp | well I guess it's near Liberty release on Thursday, iif I'm not mistaken | 17:07 |
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| matjazp | ok, lets just start | 17:07 |
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| matjazp | #info there are no outstanding actions from last meeting | 17:08 |
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| matjazp | #topic upstream training | 17:08 |
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| matjazp | #info we started on moving content from Upstream wiki to the RST format | 17:09 |
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| matjazp | #info there are still some outstanding patches | 17:09 |
| janonymous_ | I am just interested on training guides as i think it's important for everyone who are new . | 17:10 |
| matjazp | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides/?field.searchtext=upstream&search=Search&assignee_option=none | 17:10 |
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| matjazp | janonymous_: sure, let me just summarise the work from last week | 17:11 |
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| janonymous_ | sure | 17:11 |
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| matjazp | #action everyone looks at the review queue https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/training-guides,n,z | 17:12 |
| matjazp | #info we need more eyes on the reviews | 17:13 |
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| matjazp | #topic training guides | 17:13 |
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| matjazp | #info there is some progress: in the review queue two patches about Nova | 17:14 |
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| matjazp | janonymous_: do you have questions? | 17:15 |
| janonymous_ | Nopes :) | 17:15 |
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| janonymous_ | pls continue | 17:15 |
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| matjazp | #info we need to move training guides to the openstackdocs theme | 17:16 |
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| matjazp | ok moving on | 17:18 |
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| matjazp | #topic any other business | 17:18 |
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| matjazp | is there anything to discuss? | 17:18 |
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| matjazp | janonymous_: you're thinking about contributing to the training guides? | 17:19 |
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| janonymous_ | Is about complete documentation? | 17:19 |
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| janonymous_ | sry i am not much aware about it | 17:19 |
| matjazp | janonymous_: training guides has two main focus areas: upstream training and Training slides | 17:20 |
| matjazp | we're building community oriented training material | 17:20 |
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| matjazp | upstream training teaches developer how to contribute to the openstack | 17:21 |
| janonymous_ | Ohhkay | 17:21 |
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| matjazp | training guides teaches about openstack | 17:21 |
| matjazp | material will be in the form of slides | 17:21 |
| janonymous_ | upstream training sounds good | 17:22 |
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| janonymous_ | ny practical sessions in the summit ? | 17:22 |
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| matjazp | you can look at it online: http://docs.openstack.org/#training-guides | 17:22 |
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| janonymous_ | Cool | 17:23 |
| matjazp | janonymous_: yes, two days before the summit there's a free Upstream training | 17:23 |
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| matjazp | more info about it is still on the wiki https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_Upstream_Training | 17:23 |
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| janonymous_ | Wow cool | 17:23 |
| matjazp | we're just in the process of moving to the rst format that is used by other documentation | 17:24 |
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| matjazp | janonymous_: if you need anything, just ask, IRC or ML | 17:26 |
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| janonymous_ | Sure. thanks | 17:26 |
| janonymous_ | :) | 17:27 |
| matjazp | anything else? should we wrap it for this week? | 17:27 |
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| matjazp | ok, lets wrap it up. | 17:30 |
| matjazp | janonymous_: thnx for coming | 17:30 |
| janonymous_ | thnx :) | 17:31 |
| spotz | matjazp I'll take a look at the reviews and see if I can't help out any | 17:31 |
| matjazp | spotz: oh, in the nick of time | 17:31 |
| matjazp | spotz: I was just about to end the meeting | 17:31 |
| spotz | yeah I scrolled up:) | 17:31 |
| spotz | feel free to wrap up, I'll see if there's any I can knock out for you | 17:32 |
| matjazp | spotz: yes, please do look at the reviews | 17:32 |
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| matjazp | spotz: and if you're feeling like it, please also look at the upstream bug that are not yet assingend | 17:32 |
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| matjazp | assigned | 17:32 |
| spotz | will do | 17:32 |
| matjazp | thnx | 17:33 |
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| matjazp | bye all | 17:33 |
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| matjazp | #endmeeting | 17:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 12 17:33:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-10-12-17.03.html | 17:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-10-12-17.03.txt | 17:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-10-12-17.03.log.html | 17:33 |
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| adam_g | #startmeeting akanda | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 12 18:01:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adam_g. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: akanda)" | 18:01 | |
| adam_g | o/ | 18:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'akanda' | 18:01 |
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| markmcclain | o/ | 18:01 |
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| adam_g | anyone else around? davidlenwell ryanpetrello elo1 rods ? | 18:02 |
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| janonymous_ | o/ | 18:03 |
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| adam_g | ok, guess we'll get started | 18:03 |
| adam_g | #topic remaining liberty work | 18:04 |
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| adam_g | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/akanda-mitaka-planning | 18:04 |
| adam_g | ive got a list of links here of stuff that we need to get merged | 18:04 |
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| adam_g | we started to slowly chip away at it last week but we really need this stuff landed today or tomorrow | 18:04 |
| adam_g | all tests should be green, if there are any failing let me know and i'll make them green again | 18:04 |
| adam_g | the driver framework and associated LBAAS driver are in, so thats good | 18:04 |
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| adam_g | markmcclain, you mentioned there wer some concerns about the akanda-neutron repo's lack of coverage. is that something we need to addres in L or can we fix up first thing in mitaka? | 18:06 |
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| adam_g | im thinking, as part of our initial mitaka planning, we can audit the repo and figure out exactly what is still needed and what can be cut | 18:08 |
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| adam_g | well. seems to be crickets here, so ill just plow through for the bot | 18:10 |
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| adam_g | #topic remaining liberty bugs | 18:10 |
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| adam_g | https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1482389 | 18:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1482389 in akanda kilo "demo tenant instance connectivity issues /w devstack because arp spoofing protection" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Mark McClain (markmcclain) | 18:10 |
| adam_g | markmcclain fixed in master. im not sure if kilo is still affected or if we've determined that issue to be strictly security group related | 18:11 |
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| adam_g | markmcclain, please untarget from kilo if its not needed there anymore | 18:11 |
| adam_g | https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1502993 | 18:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1502993 in akanda "the nginx-plus dib element does not work" [Undecided,New] | 18:11 |
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| adam_g | still no progress there, unless davidlenwell has something to report | 18:11 |
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| adam_g | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1502993 | 18:12 |
| adam_g | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1502993 | 18:12 |
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| adam_g | https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1502993 | 18:12 |
| adam_g | https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/150299 | 18:12 |
| openstack | adam_g: Error: malone bug 150299 not found | 18:12 |
| adam_g | wtf? | 18:12 |
| markmcclain | adam_g: sorry ... will untarget it | 18:13 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, oh, cool | 18:13 |
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| adam_g | https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1496866 'nameserver is not set correctly in the appliance' is still open. i need to hit up the dreamhost folk to see what they've been doing to workaround, and put that into a patch | 18:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1496866 in akanda "nameserver is not set correctly in the appliance" [Undecided,New] | 18:13 |
| adam_g | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1491593 | 18:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491593 in akanda "tenant created networks cannot be deleted by the tenant" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Adam Gandelman (gandelman-a) | 18:14 |
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| adam_g | still open but there is a patch open to address it that is on the list for liberty that should be merging soon | 18:14 |
| adam_g | #mitaka summit planning | 18:14 |
| adam_g | derp | 18:14 |
| adam_g | #topic mitaka summit planning | 18:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mitaka summit planning (Meeting topic: akanda)" | 18:14 | |
| adam_g | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/akanda-mitaka-planning | 18:15 |
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| adam_g | we've got a running list going on this pad of things we'd like to chat about in tokyo | 18:15 |
| adam_g | we should also start thinking about a time/place to meetup and work through it. im thinking we need more than a single 1 hr session this time, i wouldn't be opposed to an entire day but thats probably unlikely with everyone elses schedules | 18:16 |
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| adam_g | as we get closer to the summit, maybe we can all put our preferred time blocks on the bottom of the pad | 18:16 |
| markmcclain | yeah that's smart | 18:16 |
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| stanchan | Is there an official spot for astara @ tokyo? | 18:17 |
| stanchan | hi all | 18:17 |
| adam_g | stanchan, not an official track | 18:17 |
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| adam_g | so its on us to schedule our 'official' meeting time+spot among ourselves | 18:17 |
| stanchan | hallway then... I would love to attend any meetings you have | 18:18 |
| adam_g | to that end, ive added a section to the bottom of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/akanda-mitaka-planning for people to note when they are avaiable and we can try to find something that works for everyone | 18:18 |
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| stanchan | ok | 18:18 |
| adam_g | #action everyone look through your tokyo schedules and note when you are available for astara mitaka dev session at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/akanda-mitaka-planning | 18:18 |
| adam_g | hopefully we can find a good chunk of time | 18:19 |
| markmcclain | yeah... would nice to see if we can squeeze in 2 time blocks | 18:19 |
| adam_g | yup | 18:19 |
| adam_g | moving on | 18:19 |
| adam_g | #topic project governance, rename, etc. | 18:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "project governance, rename, etc. (Meeting topic: akanda)" | 18:19 | |
| adam_g | so for anyone who missed it last week, the TC voted to move akanda into the openstack namespace in the form of the astara project | 18:20 |
| adam_g | so \o/ there, and thanks to sarob and markmcclain for driving that over the last couple of months | 18:20 |
| markmcclain | super excited about it | 18:21 |
| adam_g | we are on the list of things that infra will be moving from stackforge/ -> openstack/ this week | 18:21 |
| adam_g | we need to also coordinate the project rename | 18:21 |
| adam_g | im going to add something to the infra irc meeting that happens tomorrow so we can get that on their radar and get some TODOs that we need to get done for that to happen | 18:21 |
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| adam_g | this makes cutting our liberty release a bit hairy, because we might be releasing the astara liberty release from the akanda repositories | 18:22 |
| adam_g | in the event that the rename cannot happen in time | 18:22 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, i know we've chatted about it a handful of times but just to solidify it in meeting logs, lets figure out how we do this | 18:23 |
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| adam_g | assuming the project repositories cannot be renamed until after tokyo | 18:23 |
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| adam_g | we can at least update the setup.cfg's across projects to rename the things to astara-* | 18:23 |
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| markmcclain | right.. I was thinking we could up update console-scripts with entries for both akanda and astara | 18:24 |
| adam_g | we can probably also upadate entry points | 18:24 |
| adam_g | and config files | 18:24 |
| markmcclain | with the akanda script links being marked as deprecated | 18:24 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, oh, good idea | 18:24 |
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| markmcclain | I don't think we'll need to update any of the entry points | 18:24 |
| adam_g | right, so just add a second set /w the astara-* names | 18:24 |
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| markmcclain | yeah.. I can propose that after this meeting is up | 18:25 |
| adam_g | config files are user-specified, but we can just update the default | 18:25 |
| markmcclain | right | 18:25 |
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| adam_g | do we want to be ambitious and actually scrap through code and rename references? or save that for mitaka? | 18:25 |
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| markmcclain | I don't there is anything in the entry points that is akanda specific, so I think we can move the code around in M | 18:26 |
| adam_g | #action markmcclain to add new astara-* console scripts to the rug | 18:26 |
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| markmcclain | also putting the binaries in place now will allow us to update the test configs | 18:26 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, which do you mean? | 18:27 |
| markmcclain | updates to invoke astara-rug-service vs akanda-rug-service | 18:27 |
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| adam_g | k | 18:28 |
| adam_g | we also need LP infra in place | 18:28 |
| adam_g | we just mirror the existing layout for now? | 18:28 |
| markmcclain | right... I think we should consolidate down to 1 LP | 18:28 |
| markmcclain | or possibly 2 (1 rug and 1 appliance) | 18:28 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, i dont remember, do we need an associate LP project for each git repo? | 18:29 |
| adam_g | *associated | 18:29 |
| markmcclain | I don't think so, but not 100% sure | 18:29 |
| adam_g | it seems we wouldnt, the LP projects other than 'akanda' are basically idle at this point | 18:29 |
| adam_g | the releases and bugs are all tracked in 'akanda' so i think we can get away with 1 | 18:30 |
| adam_g | and have multiple git repos pointing there on the openstack side | 18:30 |
| adam_g | anyway | 18:30 |
| adam_g | #actino adam_g get LP project setup and ready for astara | 18:31 |
| adam_g | #action adam_g get LP project setup and ready for astara | 18:31 |
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| adam_g | anything else to note here? | 18:31 |
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| adam_g | okay, moving on | 18:32 |
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| adam_g | #topic open discussion | 18:32 |
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| adam_g | ill be offline next week so i wont be here to chair the meeting. any volunteers ? | 18:33 |
| markmcclain | I'll be around | 18:33 |
| adam_g | cool | 18:33 |
| markmcclain | I'm also happy to skip since it will be travel week and we can organize a meeting time via the ML | 18:34 |
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| adam_g | sure | 18:34 |
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| adam_g | ill be popping on wednesday to hopefully finish up the final liberty release cutting | 18:34 |
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| adam_g | also forgot to mention in the liberty release planning that we'll be cutting the RC this week, hopefully wednesday | 18:35 |
| adam_g | anything else? | 18:35 |
| markmcclain | nothing from me | 18:35 |
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| adam_g | right on. well i guess ill call it | 18:36 |
| adam_g | #endmeeting | 18:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 12 18:36:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-10-12-18.01.html | 18:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-10-12-18.01.txt | 18:36 |
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| barrett1 | #startingmeeting Product Working Group | 20:02 |
| KrishR | o/ | 20:02 |
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| philipw | o? | 20:03 |
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| philipw | just dialling in | 20:03 |
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| shamail | Hello | 20:03 |
| pchadwick | Hi all | 20:03 |
| barrett1 | #startmeeting Product Working Group | 20:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 12 20:04:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is barrett1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 20:04 |
| barrett1 | role call (again...) | 20:04 |
| philipw | o/ | 20:04 |
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| shamail | Hi | 20:04 |
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| Leong | o/ | 20:04 |
| DericHorn-HP | Here | 20:04 |
| barrett1 | Great to see everyone! | 20:04 |
| barrett1 | Lots to cover today! | 20:04 |
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| barrett1 | #topic agenda | 20:04 |
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| barrett1 | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 20:04 |
| barrett1 | #topic User Story Updates | 20:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "User Story Updates (Meeting topic: Product Working Group)" | 20:05 | |
| barrett1 | Start with the Top 4 User Stories | 20:05 |
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| barrett1 | Rolling Upgrades - slow progress, waiting on this week's team meeting to make more | 20:06 |
| barrett1 | Help needed: More participation would be good to have! | 20:06 |
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| barrett1 | Is the User Story ready to move to the next phase? | 20:08 |
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| barrett1 | Gaps analysis is not required to transition - User scenario and Objectives are the requirements for the next phase | 20:09 |
| barrett1 | There is a bridge for this meeting too: Access: (888) 875-9370, Bridge: 3; Passcode: 1278598 | 20:09 |
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| barrett1 | #action Kenny submit patch to advance the Rolling Upgrade User Story | 20:10 |
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| barrett1 | Jay, Deric - Update? | 20:10 |
| barrett1 | Google drive setup for Onboarding User Story | 20:11 |
| barrett1 | and meeting info has been added to our wiki page | 20:12 |
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| barrett1 | #action Jay submit a new user story that reflects what the team is working on | 20:13 |
| barrett1 | Implication to this is the need to form a new team around the exisiting user story | 20:14 |
| barrett1 | New User story: Onboarding legacy infrastructure (VMs) | 20:14 |
| barrett1 | Exisitng user story: Onboarding legacy apps (legacy apps run on cloud native) | 20:15 |
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| barrett1 | #action Carol discuss the need for Onboarding Pets into Cloud vs having a common control plane that allows Apps to stay on legacy infrustructure | 20:22 |
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| cloudrancher | Three Onboarding Discussions | 20:24 |
| cloudrancher | #1 - Manage - Starting to manage an existing virtualized environment with OpenStack as the control plane | 20:25 |
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| barrett1 | steve gordon, are you here? | 20:25 |
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| barrett1 | Arkady or Sean Cohen - are you here? | 20:25 |
| cloudrancher | #2 -Convert to Cloud Native - Converting existing applications to use OpenStack services instead such as mysql to trove (inhereantly disruptive) | 20:26 |
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| cloudrancher | #3 Hardening - Cattle to Pets - Managing some VMs as if they were pets -providing reliability, recovery, etc. | 20:26 |
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| barrett1 | For the next 21 user stories that we defined in Santa clara we targeted adding them to the repo by tokyo | 20:27 |
| barrett1 | #link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d1ZKuZ6gsiG6CXXrfONBwAGGHA8SYINbYC9BSPBKllI/edit?usp=sharing | 20:27 |
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| Leong | I have moved one user story "security & policy enforcement" to repo | 20:28 |
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| barrett1 | Thanks Leong | 20:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hi team | 20:28 |
| barrett1 | Hi Arkady | 20:28 |
| Leong | https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/blob/master/user-stories/draft/security_policy_enforcement.rst | 20:29 |
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| barrett1 | Any update on the lifecycle management user story? | 20:29 |
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| barrett1 | #topic Mitaka Roadmap update | 20:30 |
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| barrett1 | Shamail - can you take this? | 20:30 |
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| Leong | no updates from Trove PTL | 20:31 |
| barrett1 | Next week, we'll look at the draft content for the Summit | 20:32 |
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| barrett1 | #topic Board of Directions Discussion | 20:33 |
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| barrett1 | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Board_Discussion | 20:34 |
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| barrett1 | #action Shamail to find out if contributing to the User Story repo would qualify for ATC credit | 20:39 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | team I missed, it. DO we still want to submit user story into openstack gits from the ones we dicussed priot to midcycle? | 20:40 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we put ythese into openstack-user-stories repo? or product one? | 20:41 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | just bumped into intersting repo - https://github.com/openstack/requirements | 20:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | How does that correlates with what we are doing? | 20:43 |
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| kencjohnston | #link https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/tree/master/user-stories/draft | 20:48 |
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| barrett1 | #action Carol send out meeting invites for the Product Work Group events to the ML | 20:51 |
| barrett1 | #topic Tokyo Work Group - Working Session Plans | 20:51 |
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| barrett1 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/productwg-tokyo-meetup | 20:51 |
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| barrett1 | Pls review the agenda and +1/-1 topics to indicate your thoughts on priorities | 20:59 |
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| xgerman | o/ | 20:59 |
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| armax | oi | 20:59 |
| blogan | hello | 20:59 |
| annp | Hi all | 20:59 |
| mlavalle | ahoy | 20:59 |
| kevinbenton | hi! | 20:59 |
| hichihara | hi | 20:59 |
| HenryG | o/ | 21:00 |
| regXboi | all: previous meeting still going | 21:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 21:00 |
| yamahata | hello | 21:00 |
| armax | #startmeeting networking | 21:00 |
| openstack | armax: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 21:00 |
| amotoki | hi | 21:00 |
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| haleyb | hi | 21:00 |
| armax | hi, it’s 2pm | 21:00 |
| Leong | sorry need to drop... | 21:00 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we need to finihs our meeting | 21:00 |
| amuller | hiya | 21:00 |
| tidwellr | hi | 21:00 |
| kevinbenton | this is literally the most embarrasing thing that has ever happened | 21:00 |
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| armax | #chair | 21:00 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 21:00 |
| armax | who is the chair now? | 21:00 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 21:00 |
| barrett1 | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 12 21:00:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-10-12-20.04.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-10-12-20.04.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-10-12-20.04.log.html | 21:00 |
| armax | #startmeeting networking | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 12 21:00:57 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| regXboi | there we go | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| dougwig | o/ | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:01 | |
| johnsom | o/ | 21:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:01 |
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| armax | hi fellas | 21:01 |
| emagana | hello all! | 21:01 |
| regXboi | moo | 21:01 |
| armax | that was an interesting start | 21:01 |
| ZZelle_ | Hi neutrinos | 21:01 |
| armax | ZZelle_: that’s my line! | 21:01 |
| mlavalle | armax: is that official? are we neutrinos now? | 21:01 |
| ZZelle_ | :) | 21:01 |
| carl_baldwin | hi | 21:01 |
| Swami | hi | 21:01 |
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| ihrachys | \o_ | 21:01 |
| * regXboi resists puns concerning neutrinos and flavor changing | 21:02 | |
| markmcclain | o/ | 21:02 |
| salv-orlando | mlavalle: only if you can travel faster than light | 21:02 |
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| salv-orlando | allegedl | 21:02 |
| armax | oh well | 21:02 |
| dougwig | *cough* off-topic *cough* | 21:02 |
| armax | let’s reserve this yak shaving for another time | 21:02 |
| armax | cough | 21:02 |
| regXboi | salv-orlando: no - they are bounded by c still | 21:02 |
| mlavalle | salv-orlando: ah, that's easy | 21:02 |
| amuller | https://review.openstack.org/233667 is finally merged so the gate is unborked, yay | 21:02 |
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| regXboi | amuller: ++ | 21:02 |
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| armax | #announcement The gate is happy | 21:03 |
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| salv-orlando | regXboi: as you know I am ignorant. I stop myself at the first results from google search but do not bother reading the 2nd | 21:03 |
| ihrachys | amuller: for the next 2 hours you mean, right? it can't be unborked for too long | 21:03 |
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| regXboi | ihrachys: now you've jinxed it! | 21:03 |
| amuller | ihrachys: We do have traditions to maintain | 21:03 |
| armax | #topic Announcements | 21:03 |
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| emagana | good job amuller | 21:03 |
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| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:03 |
| Nakato | On tat topic, after the meeting I'd love to chat to a couple cores about moving some patches to stop the gate from breaking. | 21:03 |
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| dougwig | Nakato: bring it up in open discussion. | 21:04 |
| armax | Nakato: yes, we have Sachi working on this area | 21:04 |
| sc68cal | o/ | 21:04 |
| armax | RC2 is out | 21:04 |
| regXboi | sc68cal: yo! | 21:04 |
| armax | https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/liberty-rc2 | 21:04 |
| tchaypo | Nakato is Sachi :) | 21:04 |
| armax | tchaypo: I figured something was up | 21:05 |
| johnsom | Wahoo | 21:05 |
| armax | good to know | 21:05 |
| regXboi | armax: as of right now, rc3 is *NOT* planned, correct? | 21:05 |
| armax | I should have looked at the author full email on his patch | 21:05 |
| armax | regXboi: not that I am aware | 21:05 |
| regXboi | armax: thx | 21:06 |
| armax | we’re running out of time | 21:06 |
| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 21:06 |
| armax | unless something is burning so bad | 21:06 |
| armax | I can’t see ourselves spinning RC3 at this point | 21:06 |
| armax | but if you do spot something, please alert the authorities | 21:07 |
| tchaypo | armax: s/his patch/her patch/ :) | 21:07 |
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| armax | tchaypo: ok, I should be publicly ashamed | 21:07 |
| armax | my bad | 21:07 |
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| armax | let’s go bad to the other announcements | 21:08 |
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| armax | haleyb: ping | 21:08 |
| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233306/ | 21:08 |
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| haleyb | armax: pong | 21:08 |
| armax | this is the first patchset of get-me-a-network spec | 21:08 |
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| njohnston | o/ | 21:09 |
| haleyb | it is not working, i'm still wroking on the issues | 21:09 |
| armax | haleyb: all eyes are on you | 21:09 |
| anteaya | yay | 21:09 |
| regXboi | it wasn't a complete jackpot | 21:09 |
| anteaya | haleyb: it exists | 21:09 |
| anteaya | yay | 21:09 |
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| anteaya | \o/ | 21:09 |
| Swami | haleyb: good to see the first oen out | 21:09 |
| anteaya | thank you | 21:09 |
| sc68cal | yaaaay | 21:09 |
| haleyb | having never done an extension i'm still learning.... | 21:09 |
| armax | haleyb: you’re not alone | 21:10 |
| sc68cal | oh it's ... awful | 21:10 |
| armax | haleyb: reach out if you have doubts | 21:10 |
| * sc68cal can't wait for pecan | 21:10 | |
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| armax | but please, pretty please…let’s not let it drag | 21:10 |
| armax | ideally we’d have something functional for M1 | 21:10 |
| kevinbenton | sc68cal: pecan is in, it won't fix that :) | 21:10 |
| anteaya | tell me how I can help | 21:10 |
| anteaya | and thank you | 21:10 |
| kevinbenton | sc68cal: because we had to be backwards compatible | 21:11 |
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| armax | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/mitaka-1 | 21:11 |
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| markmcclain | kevinbenton: we should probably discuss a shim that we can deprecated and remove in the O-release | 21:11 |
| armax | which reminds we I need to start track a few blueprints that are part of liberty backlog | 21:11 |
| armax | #action armax to pull his act together and do some PTL work | 21:12 |
| kevinbenton | markmcclain: +1 | 21:12 |
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| anteaya | armax: that's not very actionable | 21:12 |
| salv-orlando | sc68cal: pecan is not going to remove extensions... not yet at least | 21:12 |
| armax | anteaya: I know, that’s why I wrote it like that :) | 21:12 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 21:12 |
| armax | anteaya: so I can’t be held accountable? | 21:13 |
| anteaya | nice work | 21:13 |
| armax | last reminder: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/076817.html | 21:13 |
| armax | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/076817.html | 21:13 |
| armax | at that link you can find pointers to the summit agenda | 21:13 |
| armax | if you have questions, please feel free to reach out in the neutron channel | 21:14 |
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| armax | any other announcement that the team wants to share? | 21:15 |
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| armax | oh well | 21:16 |
| armax | moving on | 21:16 |
| armax | #topic Bugs | 21:17 |
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| armax | this week’s deputy was ihrachys | 21:17 |
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| ihrachys | oh yeah, the failure of the week. not sure I need to present some kind of random data points here? | 21:18 |
| armax | ihrachys: I did capture some numbers on | 21:18 |
| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#Bugs | 21:18 |
| armax | of those you worked on that needed follow up | 21:19 |
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| armax | I tagged them with ‘needs-attention’ | 21:19 |
| armax | so if anyone in the team or the next deputy wanna keep an eye on those that would be good | 21:19 |
| ihrachys | yeah. so I think the main point here is that we have a lot of bugs reported, we tag them, but we also expect teams to grab their tags and clean/fix | 21:19 |
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| armax | ihrachys: of those that came in the system during last week | 21:20 |
| armax | I could only find 2 bugs that were ‘not processed' | 21:20 |
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| armax | so good work! | 21:20 |
| ihrachys | one thing that is useful for any deputy is subscribing to new bug updates on LP. with that, it's easy peasy. | 21:20 |
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| * regXboi already there | 21:20 | |
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| ihrachys | regXboi: so you are the next deputy I guess. correct armax? | 21:21 |
| armax | ihrachys: correct | 21:21 |
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| armax | is there anyone willing to step up for next week already? | 21:21 |
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| armax | I mean the one after this one | 21:21 |
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| armax | not all at once? | 21:21 |
| armax | …come on…you know you want to do it... | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | armax: I can help the week of the 19th | 21:22 |
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| armax | markmcclain: super | 21:22 |
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| armax | I’ll put you down for the week of Oct 19th | 21:22 |
| armax | in the meantime ZZelle_ flagged a number of stale bugs | 21:22 |
| armax | that were a year or more old | 21:22 |
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| armax | I had a further pass on a number of ‘opinion’ bugs too | 21:23 |
| armax | the intention if that in the next couple of months we’ll be dealing with a more manageable number of bugs | 21:23 |
| armax | #action markmcclain to be bug deputy for the week of Oct 19th | 21:23 |
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| armax | markmcclain: wise move in chosing the week before the summit ;) | 21:24 |
| armax | any bug worth raising attention during this meeting? | 21:25 |
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| markmcclain | haha... I think the week after the summit is more ideal | 21:25 |
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| ihrachys | one thing is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1504647 which apparently broke upgrade for linuxbridge | 21:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1504647 in neutron "Ensure new interface hashing does not break upgrades" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Sean M. Collins (scollins) | 21:26 |
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| emagana | markmcclain: yeap.. historically one of the most relaxing weeks for OpenStack in general | 21:26 |
| ihrachys | I guess it highlights we need grenade for the driver | 21:26 |
| regXboi | armax: I'm seeing four bugs in LP marked High but are unassigned | 21:27 |
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| armax | regXboi: can you share the links? | 21:27 |
| regXboi | bug 1349617 | 21:27 |
| openstack | bug 1349617 in neutron "SSHException: Error reading SSH protocol banner[Errno 104] Connection reset by peer" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1349617 | 21:27 |
| regXboi | bug 1484344 | 21:27 |
| openstack | bug 1484344 in neutron "Decompose Cisco l3 and cfg_agent service plugins" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1484344 | 21:27 |
| regXboi | bug 1496204 | 21:27 |
| openstack | bug 1496204 in neutron "DVR: no need to reschedule_router if router gateway update" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1496204 | 21:27 |
| ihrachys | and another bug worth lbaas team attention is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1504465 looks like some gate race in octavia driver | 21:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1504465 in neutron "neutron_lbaas.tests.tempest.v2.api.test_health_monitors_non_admin.TestHealthMonitors failed to clean up loadbalancer" [Medium,Confirmed] | 21:28 |
| regXboi | bug 1505108 | 21:28 |
| openstack | bug 1505108 in neutron "neutron_lbaas.tests.tempest.v2.api.test_listeners_admin failed _check_status_tree" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1505108 | 21:28 |
| armax | regXboi: ok, I’ll look into those…I think some of these may need revised severity | 21:28 |
| regXboi | armax: ack - I'll find you tomorrow AM and we can discuss | 21:28 |
| armax | sounds good | 21:28 |
| amotoki | how is the bugs sheet updated? by a manual script? | 21:29 |
| amuller | armax: We may need to standardize what do the low/med/high/crit priorities actually mean, so that bug deputies are in sync | 21:29 |
| ihrachys | and why do we need the sheet at all? | 21:29 |
| amuller | a decomp bug should not be high priority as it only affects users of that driver for example | 21:29 |
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| armax | amotoki: at the moment I pull the data out of LP and put into a sheet | 21:29 |
| regXboi | amuller: IIRC, there is a discussion of that... somewhere | 21:30 |
| armax | ihrachys: the only reason why I do that is that filtering is better | 21:30 |
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| armax | ihrachys: I have an action to reach out the LP guys to see whether I am missing something | 21:30 |
| armax | ihrachys: afaik I can’t filter bugs by date through the LP dashboard | 21:30 |
| armax | amuller: agreed | 21:30 |
| ihrachys | armax: I do it by number | 21:30 |
| armax | ihrachys: true | 21:30 |
| ZZelle_ | armax, you can order them by date | 21:30 |
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| armax | numbers are monotic | 21:31 |
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| armax | but say I want to see the ones that happened since a certain date, is that possible? | 21:31 |
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| regXboi | amuller: how about this https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Bugs#Importance | 21:31 |
| armax | amuller: yes, that’s the link that is reported in the bug guidelines | 21:31 |
| armax | btw | 21:31 |
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| armax | the importance as described in LP is totally misleading | 21:32 |
| ZZelle_ | armax, nope only order them by date and read bugs until you reach the certain date :s ... i had to implement such filter in the script we used last week | 21:33 |
| regXboi | armax: is it worth trying to walk through and re-categorize based on the wiki guidelines? | 21:33 |
| amuller | regXboi: only unassigned bugs | 21:33 |
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| regXboi | amuller: I think that can be arranged :) | 21:33 |
| armax | ZZelle_: true, but I can’t still filter easily and it’s still pretty prone | 21:34 |
| amuller | generally speaking the importance column is often times useless / overrated. It can be useful if someone is looking for a bug to solve, or to tag critical bugs that need faster iteration, but if someone is already working on a bug, then some other guy tagging it as 'high' or 'medium' literally makes no difference | 21:34 |
| salv-orlando | armax: LPs just cannot do that kind of query. It is a bit limited, and afaict new features are not going developed (and existing ones are not being improved) | 21:34 |
| armax | ZZelle_: I appreciate that a sheet is not ideal, I am trying to see whether I am missing something from the tool | 21:34 |
| armax | amuller: the importance field should be uself in telling us what to fix first | 21:35 |
| ihrachys | armax: well, if it's targeted for a release, and we actively review stuff for that release, it makes sense. | 21:35 |
| armax | amuller: if it is chosen wisely | 21:35 |
| ihrachys | sorry, that was for amuller | 21:35 |
| armax | ihrachys: understood | 21:35 |
| armax | ihrachys: according to the guidelines defined in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Bugs#Importance | 21:36 |
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| armax | I’d say, one would focus attention on those that have no workaround first | 21:36 |
| armax | amuller: but sometimes the one with workaround are the easier to fix..etc…so to some degree I am not fixating on importance as much | 21:37 |
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| armax | ok, we spent quite a bit on this section…we’ll refine/tweak how we go about bugs management in the forthcoming weeks | 21:38 |
| armax | and thanks ihrachys and regXboi for being the first two guinea pigs | 21:38 |
| armax | oops | 21:39 |
| armax | volunteers | 21:39 |
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| regXboi | armax: oink oink oink | 21:39 |
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| armax | :) | 21:39 |
| armax | #topic Docs | 21:39 |
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| armax | emagana: any update? | 21:39 |
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| armax | going once, going twice,... | 21:40 |
| emagana | armax: here | 21:40 |
| emagana | Just to mention that we have some good people joining the networking guide team | 21:40 |
| emagana | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NetworkingGuide | 21:40 |
| armax | we should praise these people, care to share their nick? | 21:41 |
| emagana | I hope we can get more. | 21:41 |
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| emagana | I will update the wiki with the nick names/IRC | 21:41 |
| armax | emagana: thanks | 21:41 |
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| emagana | armax: nothing more! | 21:42 |
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| armax | #topic Open Discussion | 21:42 |
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| armax | We had a couple of items put on the list during the past week | 21:42 |
| armax | first one up | 21:42 |
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| armax | regXboi: ping | 21:42 |
| armax | your ‘Is it time to assemble a performance team' | 21:42 |
| regXboi | armax: pong | 21:42 |
| regXboi | yes - that was an open question that I've been thinking about over the past few weeks | 21:42 |
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| armax | I guess this initiave overlaps to some degree with what rally people have been doing | 21:43 |
| regXboi | armax: yes and no | 21:43 |
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| armax | are there any people commiting to the rally subtree listening/participating? | 21:43 |
| armax | regXboi: ok, care to elaboratE | 21:43 |
| armax | ? | 21:43 |
| regXboi | I see rally subtree as pointing the way | 21:43 |
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| regXboi | but then there is the triage to find the issues the rally subtree exposes | 21:44 |
| armax | agreed | 21:44 |
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| regXboi | and in my mind the "perf team" is about this low level triage | 21:44 |
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| armax | anotehr aspect would be to make sure we prevent performance regressions from sneaking in in the first place | 21:44 |
| salv-orlando | it's like gate triage, but for perf issues rather than failures? | 21:44 |
| regXboi | sort of like what I've been doing with stable/kilo network node over the past few weeks | 21:45 |
| regXboi | salv-orlando: I couldn't say it better... | 21:45 |
| armax | regXboi: so what are you propising? | 21:45 |
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| armax | proposing | 21:45 |
| dougwig | sounds like he's proposing a formal subteam with meetings and such. | 21:46 |
| regXboi | armax: I'm not proposing anything yet - I'm asking the gestalt to think about it | 21:46 |
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| regXboi | dougwig: I'm not that hubris :) | 21:46 |
| armax | regXboi: with gate failures we have a framework to identify stuff to work on | 21:46 |
| armax | the gate is on fire | 21:46 |
| armax | hence we go on and fix it | 21:46 |
| kevinbenton | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226586/ | 21:47 |
| armax | with performance regressions/bottlenecks until we have such a framework it looks difficult to go on about it | 21:47 |
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| salv-orlando | fwiw I reckon that if regXboi is willing to set a mission, recruit members, and "manage" them towards success he should not even ask for permission to form the team | 21:47 |
| kevinbenton | we need to expand rally to cover internal RPC calls somehow and then we will be able to set SLA's | 21:47 |
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| kevinbenton | then we can prevent regressions | 21:47 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: I need to read that patch | 21:47 |
| kevinbenton | until we can prevent regressions, this is an uphill battle | 21:48 |
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| amuller | salv-orlando++ | 21:48 |
| amuller | just do it, the open source way :) people will naturally gravitate towards something worth it | 21:48 |
| kevinbenton | i spent a ton of time in SQL optimizations between juno/kilo and new features trampled some out | 21:48 |
| armax | well, I think whoever is willing to take a step into tackling this problem should work first into identifying the framework and putting the framework in place so that joining/participating is easier | 21:48 |
| dougwig | salv-orlando: +1 | 21:48 |
| armax | salv-orlando: agreed | 21:48 |
| regXboi | salv-orlando: that may be true, but it shouldn't be done "under a rock" either | 21:48 |
| dougwig | regXboi: i think you've already satisfied that part. | 21:49 |
| ihrachys | regXboi: well, it's not like the team lacks means of communication | 21:49 |
| regXboi | ok, I'm good - next topic? | 21:49 |
| armax | regXboi: well, I think we’re all good, but I’d like to understand how we’re going about it | 21:50 |
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| armax | regXboi: but that can be done offline | 21:50 |
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| regXboi | armax: I'm thinking the next step is to lay that out a bit more formally than here | 21:50 |
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| armax | sounds good | 21:50 |
| regXboi | :) | 21:50 |
| ihrachys | regXboi: like think it thru and drop an email to openstack-dev | 21:50 |
| amuller | What we really need is historic graphing of Rally results IMO | 21:50 |
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| regXboi | ihrachys: :) | 21:51 |
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| amuller | refining SLAs will only get you so far, I'd much rather look at patterns over time | 21:51 |
| amuller | this isn't exactly a novel idea it's been suggested many times before | 21:51 |
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| kevinbenton | refining SLAs would have caught the biggest performance regression we had this cycle | 21:52 |
| armax | amuller: perforamnce testing isn’t exactly a novel idea | 21:52 |
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| kevinbenton | and they are trivial to add | 21:52 |
| dougwig | amuller: unsuccessfully, and your statements don't sound exactly supportive. i'd say, let him organize it and try to drive something. | 21:52 |
| armax | we need to come up with a way that works for Neutron and the way we operate | 21:52 |
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| amuller | dougwig: I think my tone was not coming off in this medium, I am 100% supportive, just floating the historical graphs idea out there one more time :) | 21:53 |
| dougwig | amuller: gotcha, thanks. :) | 21:53 |
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| armax | we all talked about performance testing for a while now and performance here and performance there | 21:54 |
| armax | but we also had different testing priorities where functional correctness was given more attention to non-functional one | 21:54 |
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| regXboi | amuller: if you know how to get the data out of rally jobs into graphite, I can try and do magic | 21:54 |
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| armax | time is definitely ripe to start making some dent into the hole we have as far as performance goes | 21:54 |
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| armax | but we’d also have to recognize that we can’t do this in the vacuum | 21:55 |
| armax | there’s an entire community, both upstream and downstream who think about this very topic too | 21:55 |
| regXboi | armax: ++ | 21:55 |
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| amuller | regXboi: You should talk to Boris, Rally's author | 21:55 |
| armax | I think regXboi is offering to plug that hole | 21:55 |
| armax | whatever that means | 21:55 |
| armax | :) | 21:55 |
| amuller | regXboi: I'll forward you an email about this, I already talked to him about this issue a while ago | 21:55 |
| regXboi | amuller: ack and thx | 21:56 |
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| armax | we have 4 mins left | 21:56 |
| armax | there was another topic on the agenda | 21:56 |
| armax | Testing strategy for of_interface=native OVS agent (iwamoto) | 21:56 |
| iwamoto | hi | 21:56 |
| armax | iwamoto: udere? | 21:56 |
| iwamoto | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221143/ | 21:57 |
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| iwamoto | I and yamamoto spent some amount of effort to bring in of_interface=native driver | 21:57 |
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| iwamoto | my long-term goal is to switch the default to that | 21:57 |
| armax | #action regXboi to kick off an effort to look into perforamnce testing and validation for Neutron | 21:58 |
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| regXboi | well now... | 21:58 |
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| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221143/ | 21:58 |
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| armax | iwamoto: I hope it was clear from my vote that I was not against the change per se…but about how we go about it | 21:58 |
| armax | iwamoto: I did flag down a similar change for testing vpnaas | 21:59 |
| iwamoto | in interim, I want to make sure the native driver doesn't get bitrot | 21:59 |
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| regXboi | armax: so I actually filed a performance bug around using the native driver ... | 21:59 |
| armax | regXboi: my apologies for the poor choice of words | 21:59 |
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| armax | regXboi: that’s a different native driver | 21:59 |
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| armax | regXboi: we’re talking about the of one | 21:59 |
| regXboi | armax: ack you are correct | 21:59 |
| armax | here | 21:59 |
| armax | iwamoto: agreed with the sentiment | 22:00 |
| dougwig | time! | 22:00 |
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| iwamoto | yes. it seems I need some other default testing with less load on the gate | 22:00 |
| armax | we’ll continue the discussion in the channel | 22:00 |
| armax | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 12 22:00:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-10-12-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-10-12-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-10-12-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
| armax | thanks for joining folks | 22:00 |
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| amuller | iwamoto: I think if you publish some numbers that show that the of_driver is more performant by this and this % you might get more reviewer traction | 22:00 |
| annp | Bye. | 22:00 |
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