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| loquacities | sorry, running late for the apac docs meeting | 00:43 |
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| loquacities | i'll kick it off in 5 minutes | 00:44 |
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| loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 00:47 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 2 00:47:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:47 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:47 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 00:47 |
| loquacities | hi everyone, sorry for the delay getting started | 00:47 |
| loquacities | who's here? | 00:47 |
| darrenc | hi! | 00:47 |
| loquacities | adahms: ping | 00:47 |
| loquacities | hi darrenc | 00:48 |
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| loquacities | *crickets* | 00:50 |
| asettle | yo | 00:50 |
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| bmoss | did I miss rolecall? | 00:50 |
| loquacities | heya asettle | 00:50 |
| asettle | o/ | 00:51 |
| loquacities | just opened the meeting | 00:51 |
| loquacities | waiting for quorum | 00:51 |
| bmoss | *roll call even. | 00:51 |
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| quorum | I'm here | 00:51 |
| darrenc | lol | 00:51 |
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| loquacities | lol | 00:51 |
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| bmoss | thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week. | 00:51 |
| loquacities | no red hatters | 00:52 |
| * JRobinson__ is here | 00:53 | |
| JRobinson__ | sorry had the irc window behind another window | 00:53 |
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| loquacities | i'll give them another few minutes to reply to the ping, then call it quits | 00:53 |
| bmoss | loquacities, did you ping them directly? | 00:53 |
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| bmoss | oh, I see that you did. | 00:53 |
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| loquacities | i did | 00:54 |
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| loquacities | any other takers? | 00:55 |
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| loquacities | ok, i'm calling it ... no quorum | 00:56 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 00:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 00:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 2 00:56:36 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-09-02-00.47.html | 00:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-09-02-00.47.txt | 00:56 |
| loquacities | thanks anyway, everyone | 00:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-09-02-00.47.log.html | 00:56 |
| asettle | o/ | 00:56 |
| bmoss | later gators | 00:57 |
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| asalkeld | heat meeting? | 07:00 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 07:01 |
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| pas-ha | #startmeeting heat | 07:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 2 07:01:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pas-ha. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:01 | |
| rakesh_hs_ | o/ | 07:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 07:01 |
| pas-ha | #topic rollcall | 07:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:01 | |
| tiantian | o/ | 07:01 |
| sirushti | o/ | 07:02 |
| Drago1 | o/ | 07:02 |
| asalkeld | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-09-02_0700_UTC.29 | 07:02 |
| xek | o/ | 07:02 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 07:02 |
| pas-ha | #topic adding items to agenda | 07:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "adding items to agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:02 | |
| asalkeld | convergence-status? | 07:03 |
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| pas-ha | asalkeld, added | 07:03 |
| skraynev | o/ | 07:04 |
| pas-ha | let's start then | 07:05 |
| pas-ha | #topic heat reviews | 07:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "heat reviews (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:05 | |
| pas-ha | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 07:05 |
| pas-ha | I think we should now focus on l3 and put a link there | 07:06 |
| asalkeld | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/liberty-3 | 07:06 |
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| asalkeld | plenty there to review ^ | 07:06 |
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| skraynev | looks, like we have several bug fixes, which need review | 07:07 |
| asalkeld | ~11 | 07:07 |
| pas-ha | what's up with RG/ASG refactoring? | 07:07 |
| pas-ha | zaneb is most probably sleeping | 07:08 |
| asalkeld | rc1? | 07:08 |
| skraynev | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1488921 - looks like it was merged... | 07:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1488921 in heat "SoftwareDeploymentGroup doesn't support path based attributes" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Steven Hardy (shardy) | 07:08 |
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| skraynev | shardy: ^ is it fixed? | 07:08 |
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| rakesh_hs_ | asalkeld: convergence almost all patches have landed, but gate tests are failing recently | 07:08 |
| pas-ha | looks like we already on topic.. | 07:09 |
| pas-ha | #topic prep for l3 release | 07:09 |
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| pas-ha | I advise people to concentrate on those L3 bugs next 2-3 days | 07:09 |
| xek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190183/ - I didn't submit a bug about object not being initialized, should I? | 07:09 |
| ricolin | o/ | 07:09 |
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| ramishra | hi | 07:10 |
| pas-ha | xek, sure, please submit a bug and describe what's exaclty the problem and how it can manifest itself | 07:10 |
| asalkeld | rakesh_hs_: yeah | 07:10 |
| xek | pas-ha, ok | 07:11 |
| asalkeld | so we are shooting for a friday release | 07:11 |
| asalkeld | so not much time to get stuff in | 07:11 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: btw, convergence job failing due to timeout ? | 07:12 |
| skraynev | (again) | 07:12 |
| asalkeld | skraynev: yeah, it might be back to the fast update | 07:12 |
| asalkeld | or something else | 07:13 |
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| asalkeld | http://logs.openstack.org/89/215489/7/check/gate-heat-dsvm-functional-convg-mysql/e27a365/console.html | 07:13 |
| pas-ha | also, today I saw at least 2 failures due to fedora-heat-test-image not being available on the gate | 07:13 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha: i had a patch for that | 07:13 |
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| asalkeld | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219533/ | 07:13 |
| pas-ha | ok, thanks, will check | 07:13 |
| asalkeld | new default cli options to glance | 07:13 |
| pas-ha | ah, it's the glance client... AFAIK it broke not only us :( | 07:14 |
| asalkeld | *might* have to rebase some patches | 07:14 |
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| asalkeld | gate is *really* slow | 07:14 |
| asalkeld | everyone trying to get stuff in | 07:14 |
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| skraynev | asalkeld: yeah :) it's the hottest time for coding :) | 07:15 |
| asalkeld | be kind to the gate | 07:15 |
| asalkeld | (no unneeded patches/rechecks) | 07:15 |
| pas-ha | #topic convergence status | 07:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "convergence status (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:16 | |
| asalkeld | so i have made some bugs | 07:16 |
| pas-ha | rakesh_hs_, anything to add? | 07:16 |
| * asalkeld getting links | 07:16 | |
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| asalkeld | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.tag=convergence-bugs | 07:17 |
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| asalkeld | so take the bugs if you are interested | 07:17 |
| asalkeld | so i think the state of convergence is mostly good, but will need some testing/bug fixing (as expected) | 07:18 |
| pas-ha | rakesh_hs_, re *almost all* patches, could you revisit and repopulate the review hot list on etherpad with those specific which still have to land? | 07:18 |
| rakesh_hs_ | pas-ha: ishant is implementing the comments for scenario tests, he will pushing a patch soon | 07:19 |
| rakesh_hs_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203661/ | 07:19 |
| rakesh_hs_ | I will add to the list | 07:19 |
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| pas-ha | rakesh_hs_, thanks | 07:19 |
| stevebaker | hai everybody! | 07:20 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: hi | 07:20 |
| pas-ha | stevebaker, hi, we are almost out of topics already :) | 07:20 |
| stevebaker | sorry I'm late, household carnage | 07:20 |
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| pas-ha | stevebaker, anything you wanted to put a focus on? | 07:21 |
| ricolin | hihi | 07:21 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha: FFE blueprints | 07:21 |
| asalkeld | also if i may make a request, can you only put you name on a bug if you are actually working on it? | 07:21 |
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| pas-ha | stevebaker, do we have any? | 07:22 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: +1 | 07:22 |
| pas-ha | asalkeld, +1 | 07:22 |
| pas-ha | stevebaker, from l3 LP chart looks like everything is implemented | 07:22 |
| ricolin | +1 | 07:22 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: these? https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/liberty-rc1 | 07:22 |
| asalkeld | i thought any bp in rc1 was a FFE | 07:23 |
| stevebaker | deciding what BPs get a feature freeze exception is entirely up to us (officially me). Anything I've put in rc1 I think deserves to have an FFE, but I'm open to suggestions on things to remove or add. | 07:23 |
| pas-ha | wow, this list is much longer than l3 :( | 07:23 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha: just the blueprints | 07:24 |
| asalkeld | 4 of them | 07:24 |
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| pas-ha | skraynev, what's the status with rich network prop? | 07:24 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha: we're talking blueprints only here. we're still allowed to fix bugs in rc1 but every change needs to get backport to the stable/liberty branch which will be a pita. so any bug commit which we land in the next 24 hours will save busywork | 07:24 |
| pas-ha | stevebaker, sure. so again, when do you plan to cut the stable? Thu, Fri? | 07:25 |
| asalkeld | so normally only High+ bugs go in | 07:25 |
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| stevebaker | pas-ha: euro-thursday. I'll be on leave so asalkeld will make the call | 07:25 |
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| shardy | o/ | 07:26 |
| pas-ha | ok, 24 hours indeed | 07:26 |
| pas-ha | shardy, ho | 07:26 |
| stevebaker | yeah | 07:26 |
| stevebaker | shardy: hey | 07:26 |
| shardy | morning all, sorry, running late today! | 07:26 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: need to add unittests for patches on review and also I think, that the most important thingm which was no done yet (we are working on it) - processing internal port during replace and rollback | 07:26 |
| ricolin | hi | 07:26 |
| stevebaker | shardy: about as late as me | 07:26 |
| pas-ha | skraynev, yeah, that might be complex | 07:26 |
| shardy | stevebaker: heh, it's the public holiday we just had actually, I thought it was Tuesday! ;) | 07:27 |
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| pas-ha | shardy, I was under impression you are working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/nested-validation, no? | 07:27 |
| stevebaker | skraynev: do you have a plan for when a port has a fixed IP and the server is replaced? (2 ports with the same IP is not allowed) | 07:27 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: not sure, that very complex, plan to upload patch with PoC today | 07:27 |
| shardy | pas-ha: I was running out of time so jdob has offered to help with it | 07:27 |
| asalkeld | shardy: is working on *everything* | 07:27 |
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| shardy | pas-ha: it's not clear if it will actually make it, but he's posted some initial code | 07:27 |
| pas-ha | I was just curious on assignees of BPs/bugs | 07:28 |
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| shardy | pas-ha: Yeah, that's my only BP/spec that actually landed IIRC, but I have lots of bugs, welcome to take some if you have bandwidth :) | 07:28 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: I've put nested-validation in rc1, so I'm proposing it has an FFE https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/liberty-rc1 | 07:28 |
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| pas-ha | stevebaker, +1 | 07:28 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: Ok, looking at the code... I'm not sure, but lets do that and see how it shapes up over the next couple of days | 07:29 |
| asalkeld | when is rc1? | 07:29 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: yes, it's should be covered in the same way, like a case above (with replace), i.e. detach port and remove fixed ip, and after update add fixed_ip and attach port | 07:29 |
| stevebaker | shardy: yeah, its the only one which is a bit of a long shot | 07:29 |
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| stevebaker | skraynev: ok' | 07:30 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: earlish octoberish? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 07:30 |
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| asalkeld | O, that's heaps of time | 07:31 |
| shardy | stevebaker: ah, I assumed we only had a couple of weeks max :) | 07:31 |
| stevebaker | first rc could be sept 25 | 07:32 |
| stevebaker | first rc could be sept 21 | 07:32 |
| skraynev | shardy: let's think, that we have a couple weeks :) it makes coding faster ;) | 07:32 |
| stevebaker | which is the same week as........ | 07:32 |
| stevebaker | PTL ELECTIONS | 07:32 |
| shardy | skraynev: haha ;) | 07:32 |
| stevebaker | who wants to be heat ptl | 07:32 |
| stevebaker | ? | 07:32 |
| asalkeld | we need some new victim | 07:32 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha: gosh, you are so good at running these meetings :) | 07:32 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: I may try :) | 07:32 |
| stevebaker | oh, that reminds me | 07:33 |
| * pas-ha blushes | 07:33 | |
| skraynev | or pas-ha ;) | 07:33 |
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| asalkeld | probably need thinking about summit sessions at some point too | 07:33 |
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| pas-ha | asalkeld, +1 | 07:33 |
| stevebaker | we need to request how many slots we need at summit | 07:33 |
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| shardy | I'm willing to run again if nobody else is keen, happy to defer if other folks are willing :) | 07:34 |
| stevebaker | here was the allocation in Vancouver (Fishbowl/Work | 07:34 |
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| stevebaker | rooms/Meetup): | 07:34 |
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| stevebaker | Heat 5, 10, 1 | 07:34 |
| pas-ha | afaik the venue in Tokyo would be tighter | 07:34 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker: i think we need an ops/user meeting (fishbowl) which we didn't have last time | 07:34 |
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| stevebaker | yes, and fishbowl/workroom ratio is about 2/1 | 07:35 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: +1 | 07:35 |
| asalkeld | (unless i just missed it) | 07:35 |
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| ricolin | asalkeld: +1 | 07:35 |
| asalkeld | 6/8/1 ? | 07:35 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: I thought we did. It may have been more user experience | 07:35 |
| pas-ha | stevebaker, last day in VAncouver? | 07:35 |
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| asalkeld | less convergence to talk about, i wonder what we will talk about :-O | 07:36 |
| stevebaker | I was thinking that if we got exactly the same as last time (or a proportional amount thereof) | 07:36 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: convergence pt 2 | 07:36 |
| asalkeld | maybe | 07:36 |
| stevebaker | so 5/10/1 | 07:36 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: sounds fine | 07:36 |
| stevebaker | or 4/8/1 | 07:36 |
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| pas-ha | first variant sounds better :) but we must collect ideas on topics first | 07:37 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: I'd like to discuss some scale issues, which are actual for Tripleo and Sahara | 07:37 |
| asalkeld | shoot for more, and let them beat us down if needed | 07:37 |
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| pas-ha | asalkeld, alwasy ask for twice you need :P | 07:37 |
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| stevebaker | pas-ha: I think the nature of this process means we get the space first, then fill it. Especially since it will be a new PTL deciding on the sessions | 07:38 |
| pas-ha | stevebaker, sounds reasonable | 07:38 |
| pas-ha | its not like we won't have anything to fill up extra slots we might get :) | 07:39 |
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| stevebaker | ok, I'll ask for 5/10/1 again. | 07:39 |
| asalkeld | +1 | 07:39 |
| skraynev | +1 | 07:39 |
| pas-ha | +1 | 07:39 |
| ricolin | +1 | 07:39 |
| pas-ha | #agreed stevebaker asks 5/10/1 slots for M summit | 07:39 |
| stevebaker | I'm pretty sure that is all I had | 07:39 |
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| stevebaker | review all the things! https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/liberty-3 | 07:40 |
| pas-ha | #topic open discussion | 07:40 |
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| pas-ha | anyone has his pain point to discuss? | 07:40 |
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| stevebaker | or hers | 07:41 |
| pas-ha | ending early? | 07:41 |
| skraynev | need more review for batching for RG on create | 07:41 |
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| xek | pas-ha, I submitted a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1491258 , also linked to it from my patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190183/ | 07:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491258 in heat "versioned objects not registered" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Grzegorz Grasza (xek) | 07:42 |
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| pas-ha | xek, ok, thanks | 07:42 |
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| skraynev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185385/ | 07:42 |
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| skraynev | this one ^ | 07:42 |
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| stevebaker | skraynev: does that clash with zane's series? (which you should all be reviewing) | 07:43 |
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| pas-ha | stevebaker, zaneb has some comments to this regard | 07:43 |
| stevebaker | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213549/ | 07:43 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: yes. but Zane was agree to land it (he told, that it may be not totally compatible with his change) | 07:44 |
| shardy | I think it's not impossible to rebase this on zane's series, as has been suggested in the comments | 07:44 |
| shardy | AFAICT most of zaneb's patches are ready to land | 07:44 |
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| shardy | I'm going to finish reviewing them this morning, so can we rebase this patch and then we can land the lot for rc1? | 07:45 |
| skraynev | shardy: ok. we may try to rebase, but anyway more review is appreciated :) | 07:45 |
| pas-ha | shardy, sounds like a plan | 07:45 |
| stevebaker | ok, btw gate will be broken until this lands https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219533/ so you may need to nurse it in | 07:45 |
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| shardy | skraynev: sure, will do | 07:45 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: the more that lands in l3 the better I think | 07:46 |
| shardy | stevebaker: sure, how long do we have to merge stuff? | 07:46 |
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| skraynev | one more thing is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199442/ <- get_attr without parameters | 07:46 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: about 24 hours, or however long you can convince asalkeld to hold off | 07:46 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: haha, Ok, will focus on reviews today then :) | 07:47 |
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| stevebaker | skraynev: ok, I've put that in rc1 | 07:48 |
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| skraynev | stevebaker: ok. thx | 07:48 |
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| stevebaker | shall we wind up? | 07:50 |
| shardy | +1 | 07:50 |
| skraynev | nothing else from me | 07:50 |
| pas-ha | anything else? anyone? | 07:50 |
| pas-ha | three... | 07:50 |
| pas-ha | two... | 07:50 |
| ricolin | : -) | 07:50 |
| skraynev | sold | 07:50 |
| pas-ha | one.. | 07:51 |
| stevebaker | 2.5 | 07:51 |
| stevebaker | oh, 1.5 | 07:51 |
| pas-ha | thanks everyone :) | 07:51 |
| skraynev | :) | 07:51 |
| pas-ha | #endmeeting | 07:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 07:51 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 2 07:51:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-09-02-07.01.html | 07:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-09-02-07.01.txt | 07:51 |
| ricolin | sold to pas-ha | 07:51 |
| stevebaker | \o | 07:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-09-02-07.01.log.html | 07:51 |
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| pas-ha | :P | 07:51 |
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| rajinir | hi | 16:01 |
| geguileo | No meeting today? | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | geguileo: :) | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | you wish :) | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | or I wish :) | 16:02 |
| hemna | mep | 16:02 |
| kmartin | o/ | 16:02 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:02 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: XD | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 2 16:02:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:02 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | Ok, let's get on it | 16:02 |
| scottda | hi | 16:02 |
| wilson | hi | 16:02 |
| tbarron | hi again | 16:02 |
| geguileo | Hi all | 16:02 |
| rajinir | hi | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | howdy! | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | #topic L3 lessons learned | 16:02 |
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| simondodsley | hi | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | I'll try and be quick here | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | First, nice job everyone on working through crunch time | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | Couple of things that I always point out, that I want to point out again and try and clarify some things | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | First, process is great; but it's not full-proof | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | anybody that's been around for a release should realize that the last week and deadine days are VERY busy | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | the gate slows down, and sometimes breaks (as it did for us on Monday) | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | The point being, I don't care if you do all the right things, it's no guarantee that your code will land | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | so, lesson learned; submit EARLY | 16:04 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | and if your patch is stalled let people know | 16:05 |
| e0ne | great point! we need to document it somewhere | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | another thing I'd like to point out.... | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | we have these etherpads and priority lists that people work off of | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | they're causing more harm than good i think | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | the fact is, we have launchpad, and things are targeted and prioritized | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | that should be the source of truth, and I'd ask that people reference that going forward | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | that ALSO means, update your items there | 16:06 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: we had some success with etherpad in the past | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | if gerrit doesn't pick up your changes, update them, or let me know so I can update them | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: I think etherpads are broken and have led to part of the problem | 16:07 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: ok | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: but regardless, it doesn't matter now; I'll bring this up at the summit | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | with alll of that... | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | let the games begin :) | 16:07 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: +1 | 16:07 |
| patrickeast | from what i've seen one feature of the etherpads is that it has the like core reviewer sign up thing, can that be done in launchpad too? or was that not really helpful? | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: well, the way i see it is it didn't work | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | ask tbarron how well it worked out for hime | 16:08 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: +1 | 16:08 |
| hemna | well it can work if the PTL is around to manage the list of items in the etherpad. if he's out, then it breaks down. | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | ask thangp and dulek how it worked out for the verisoned object changes | 16:08 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: +1 | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: ++ | 16:08 |
| hemna | launchpad is ultimately the source of truth | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | hemna: +1 | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | ok.. let's not rat hole on this one | 16:08 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: That was why I started udpating it. | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | #topic begging crying whining etc | 16:09 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: That's a different case (versioned objects) | 16:09 |
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| * jungleboyj needs to get better with Launchpad. | 16:09 | |
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| xyang1 | the versionedobjects patches are not on etherpad somehow | 16:09 |
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| kmartin | jgriffith, i think the core sign-up feature may have helped so you don't have 11 cores reviewing the same patch | 16:09 |
| geguileo | Yeah, and they are *HUGE* | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: bs | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: :) | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: it doesn't matter | 16:10 |
| hemna | cores should be reviewing patches and we should have core overlap on patches | 16:10 |
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| DuncanT | kmartin: Once it gets two +2s, or a bunch of -1s then people stop reviewing it | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | hemna: +1 | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: +2 | 16:10 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: +1 | 16:10 |
| kmartin | Well those 6000 line patch from some vendors take time :) | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | if I open a patch and it has 11 core reviews and is still in the queue we've got bigger problems :) | 16:10 |
| DuncanT | If anybody knows some magic to get a gerrit dash of things not -1d by a core, that's be useful | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | kmartin: and they should, and they should get more attention | 16:10 |
| xyang1 | kmartin: we don't have them this time around:) | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: I don't think we've EVER had a problem of too many people reviewing a patch | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | anyway... let's move on | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | patrickeast: | 16:11 |
| patrickeast | yah, so there are two patches for Pure Storage | 16:11 |
| patrickeast | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213855 | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Agreed, lets move on and work this out f2f in Tokyo. | 16:11 |
| patrickeast | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214825/ | 16:11 |
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| patrickeast | both fall into the 'driver feature impl for core feature that merged late' category | 16:12 |
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| DuncanT | I'm +1 on merging both of these FWIW, my +2 is on both of them | 16:12 |
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| patrickeast | the replication one understandably had some legitimate issues/push back, the unmanage/manage snapshot one is IMO relatively harmless | 16:12 |
| kmartin | but the first one is missing a period :) +1 for merging both | 16:13 |
| diablo_rojo | patrickeast: +1 | 16:13 |
| patrickeast | both met all of the original requirements and deadlines (if that actually matters :P) | 16:13 |
| simondodsley | +1 for both too | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | FTR I'm -1 on any of these sorts of merges | 16:13 |
| asselin | o/ | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | They both fall under the 'features we need more widely implemented' category | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | but not a -2 :) | 16:13 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: thats a start! | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: but having '1' driver implement them is not "widely implemented" | 16:14 |
| hemna | so I'm on the fence | 16:14 |
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| hemna | do we or don't we have a FF ? | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | It's also no different than what we ended up with on the old replication and the migration code | 16:14 |
| simondodsley | but someone has to be first through the door | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | simondodsley: ok, then it should be me :) | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | I don't have a problem merging them. Patrick put the work in and we would have a reference out there. | 16:14 |
| hemna | lol | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | simondodsley: or we go together :) | 16:14 |
| erlon | o/ | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: That's true enough, except there's a reference implementation for manage snap at least | 16:15 |
| hemna | hold hands and both jump off the cliff. | 16:15 |
| hemna | weee! | 16:15 |
| simondodsley | jgriffith: are you ready to go | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: :-) | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: ahh... yeah, that's a great point | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: and the manage snaps one actually is "good" | 16:15 |
| simondodsley | jgriffith: i'll jump on my own or in a crowd - i don't mind | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | So it sounds like everybody is in favor of both of these | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | so that's cool | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: If nobody else has implemented replication, then that's a reason not to merge that one | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | if they get reviewed and happen to make it before the cut then that's great | 16:16 |
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| simondodsley | DuncanT: +1 | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | sound good? | 16:16 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: +1 | 16:16 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: maybe you can finish your replication and get merged together with Patrick's? then we'll have two reference imp | 16:16 |
| asselin | DuncanT, thingee had a dashboard at some point. will see if I can find it | 16:17 |
| xyang1 | manage snap one seems fine | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: can you clarify your statement, are you saying "it is" a reason, or that it's "failed logic"? | 16:17 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: It is a good reason not to merge - only one implementation is bad | 16:17 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: I thought there was another one in, if not then hold off merging IMO | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: thank you for the clarification, and that was kinda my point | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | egallen: simondodsley still agree with DuncanT 's statement? | 16:18 |
| simondodsley | DuncanT: disagree with the logic. Someone has to be first. | 16:18 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: saying one implementation is bad kind of defaults the whole reference impl that goes with most features doesn't it? I understand the drawbacks (having discussed this with jgriffith several times) | 16:18 |
| kmartin | holding off will allow us to come up with replicationV3 in Tokyo? | 16:18 |
| simondodsley | Just because no one else was ready that shouldn't penalize | 16:18 |
| patrickeast | s/defaults/defeats/ | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | Ok... let's be clear | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | simondodsley: YOU wouldn't have been ready if someobdy else didn't write the code to begin with | 16:19 |
| DuncanT | patrickeast: LVM is our reference in general | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: +1 | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | kmartin: NOOOOO!!!!!!! | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | ok, so look as I said... if they get reviewed and land... then great | 16:19 |
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| simondodsley | jgriffiths: and we appreciate all the hard work you put in | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | they're not blocked | 16:19 |
| DuncanT | patrickeast: Letting a vendor become the reference is what screwed us on replication the first time | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | let's move on | 16:19 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: no no, sorry, i didn't mean that | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | simondodsley: it doesn't sound like it :) | 16:20 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: just that typically we do start out with only a single impl... and things are ok | 16:20 |
| asselin | #link cinder review Inbox availabe at the bottom of: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | seriously... issue closed, we should move on :) | 16:20 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: thanks, sorry to rat-hole | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: not at all | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | patrickeast: and like I said, I don't think it should be blocked | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: So, the answer is they are out there and if we collectively choose to merge that is fine? | 16:21 |
| simondodsley | jgriffith: let's let the team decide with reviews | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | patrickeast: but I don't think anybody should NOT do something that's on the list | 16:21 |
| patrickeast | simondodsley: i think thats what the decision is | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | in other words priorities | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | asselin: That doesn't do what I want though | 16:21 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: yea, totally understand | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | somebody form huawei here? | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | simondodsley: Thanks for putting it succinctly. :-) I suck at succinct. | 16:21 |
| asselin | DuncanT, let's discuss offline to adjust it | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | asselin: Thanks | 16:22 |
| wilson | I'm from Huawei | 16:22 |
| wilson | :) | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | wilson: hey... | 16:22 |
| wilson | hi | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | wilson: your hypermoto patch | 16:22 |
| wilson | yeah | 16:22 |
| wilson | I just rebased it | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | I have no issue if people review it and it merges | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | it's isolated to your driver | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | so to be clear to EVERYONE | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | on Monday we were in REALLY bad shape | 16:23 |
| wilson | thanks jgriffith | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | between the gate and outstanding patches | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | none of the mid and high priority changes were being reviewed | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | so jungleboyj and I talked and put a -2 on EVERYTHING that was low pri | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | so that people would focus on middle and high priority items (which they weren't) | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | gate resumed operation, mid and high pri items got attention, so now I'm not nearly as concerned about things | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | but I want to clarify... "things that are isolated" | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | the hypermoto patch falls in to that category | 16:25 |
| wilson | yeah | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | tbarron: given you had some choice comments for me and an ML posting I'm surprised I don't see anything from you on this list? | 16:25 |
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| tbarron | jgriffith: I had no choice comments for *you* or for any individuals | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | tbarron: I think you know what my point is | 16:26 |
| tbarron | jgriffith: if one reads http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/073398.html carefully, I point to a | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | tbarron: you have nothign to share here? | 16:26 |
| tbarron | jgriffith: an issue that we could take up in Tokyo | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | tbarron: ok, last chance.. your patches... any requests, visibility you want to raise? | 16:26 |
| tbarron | jgriffith: I think some interesting ideas from you and from geguileo are in that thread, also question be dhellman | 16:26 |
| tbarron | reommened reading | 16:26 |
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| tbarron | jgriffith: I am very grateful to the core team for swarming on the patches in the low pri queue once | 16:27 |
| tbarron | the higher prio stuff got handled | 16:27 |
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| angela-s | jgriffith: so, if we have isolated things that we'd like to get accepted, should we request in cinder channel or here in the meeting? | 16:27 |
| tbarron | jgriffith: I have no quarrel with ;prioritization and don't mean to imply that | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: You are welcome. :-) | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | angela-s: LOL | 16:28 |
| tbarron | jgriffith: I know some of my squeaky-wheel behavior has been a PITA. | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | angela-s: I'm not opening development back up if that's where you're going :) | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | angela-s: I'm providing a compromise for people that have had work up for several weeks that didn't make it | 16:28 |
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| angela-s | jgriffith: no, we've had a couple patches that were only pending CI | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | angela-s: well, talk to your peers | 16:29 |
| angela-s | jgriffith: ok | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | angela-s: Is CI passing now> | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | I'm trusting core members of this team are core members because they have good judgement | 16:29 |
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| jgriffith | but I'll stress, the items on LP ARE THE PRIORITY!!! | 16:29 |
| angela-s | jungleboyj: yes brocade CI is passing now | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | so now... are there any questions? | 16:30 |
| kmartin | angela-s, was the recheck fixed in the Brocade CI, I think that was the last thing that had thingee concerned | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | BTW... you should all note that gate time is approximately 14 hours right now | 16:30 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: it appears that L-3 items on LP are taken care of now. I mean they are being reviewed or merged | 16:30 |
| angela-s | kmartin: yes,recheck is working and format of failed message is also fixed. | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | so even if you submit something "now" and it gets a +2/A it's not very likely that it's going to land anyway | 16:31 |
| kmartin | jgriffith, that's pretty good, down from 24 on Monday :) | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: for the most part | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: it's early :) | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | so with that... | 16:31 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: when does everything have to be merged? Is there a deadline for merging? | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | #topic open discussion | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | 0000 UTC | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | is Sept 3 | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | angela-s: Ping us with the reviews and we can take a look. | 16:32 |
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| angela-s | jungleboyj: ok, will do | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | in OpenStack world | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | So I'll say one more thing... thanks to everyone who stepped up this week; and especially quite a few folks from the day shift who were on the night shift with me last night :) | 16:33 |
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| jungleboyj | We got a great team! | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | There's a ton of hard work that went on, jungleboyj geguileo xyang1 hemna patrickeast etc | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | so let's get the release cut and focus on testing it | 16:34 |
| wilson | I have a question | 16:34 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Thank you for leading this up in Mike's absence. | 16:35 |
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| wilson | Does patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202023/ have chance to be merged in L | 16:35 |
| wilson | Huawei hypermetro | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | wilson: my opinion is that the -2 should be removed | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | wilson: That was discussed earlier. | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | wilson: and if it gets reviewed and lands, then cool | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ooops, let me do that. | 16:35 |
| kmartin | jungleboyj, lol | 16:36 |
| wilson | That will be great! | 16:36 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: did you see that there is a FFE request on mailing list | 16:36 |
| wilson | Thanks :) | 16:36 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: about this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206923/ | 16:36 |
| smcgmobile | Sorry, I'm missing a lot. Did we extend the deadline? | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | smcgmobile: NO | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | wilson: Done ... Will take a look at it today. | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | smcgmobile: we just said that we're not actively rejecting things | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | smcgmobile: and that core reviewers are empowered to use judgement | 16:37 |
| smcgmobile | jgriffith: ok, cool | 16:37 |
| kmartin | jgriffith, python-cinderclient release was on the agenda, but focus should be on the RC cut then the client? | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | smcgmobile: in reality based on gate time, what's in is in at this point | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: Oh... good point!!! | 16:37 |
| wilson | jungleboyi: thanks! | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | cinderclient is part of the relase | 16:38 |
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| jgriffith | if there are things there that need addressed I suggest folks get on it | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | xyang1: That one looks more invasive. | 16:38 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: so I added that item. is there a new deadline for client now? | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | we have a little more time with that, but it's not as flexible as it used to be | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | xyang1: Good question. Don't want to mess that up again. | 16:38 |
| xyang1 | jungleboyj: the FFE one? ya, that is in the common code | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: I don't have an exact date/time for you on that | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | There is also that one I pinged you about yesterday that is suspicious. | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | but I would say that we should propose a release next week and barring issues that should be our version for L | 16:39 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: what about the dependency deadline this week? | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: so that's slightly different IIRC | 16:39 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: I saw a few clients get released today, not sure if there's a deadline | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: that's more geared towards libs | 16:39 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: ok | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: yes, I checked with the release team last week, we requested a release and stated there may be one more | 16:40 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: sounds good | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: same with brick | 16:40 |
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| xyang1 | jgriffith: ok | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | anything else? | 16:40 |
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| jungleboyj | If there are any other -2's I should clean up, just ping me. | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: thanks! | 16:41 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: one small anouncement from me | 16:41 |
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| jungleboyj | My pleasure. | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: but to clarify if they're "-2 for freeze" :) | 16:41 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Right, those that are appropriate candidates to have it removed. | 16:42 |
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| jungleboyj | Wasn't an offer for free passes. :-) | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: What's up? | 16:42 |
| e0ne | we're going to move forward with API v2 testing in gates and disable v1 in dsvm jobs by default. any objections? I'm wating for tempest patch to be reviewd merged | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: LOL | 16:43 |
| e0ne | thingee wanted to remove v1 at all, but we're blocked by grenade jobs and openstack client | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | e0ne: I think it's about damn time | 16:43 |
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| hemna | e0ne, +1 | 16:44 |
| hemna | w00t | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: I know we're going to find problems, but regardless that whole V1/V2 thing has drug on for WAAAAYYYY too long | 16:44 |
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| jungleboyj | e0ne: ++ | 16:44 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1!! | 16:44 |
| e0ne | just wanted to clarify that nobody don't think that it's bad time for such things | 16:45 |
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| smcgmobile | e0ne: works for me. | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | Gotta do it some time. | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | e0ne: wish it was earlier TBH, but tired of nothing ever being "done" | 16:47 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: is was harder than I expect | 16:48 |
| hemna | this really should have been tried after L2 | 16:48 |
| hemna | to give us time to fix issues and let cross project teams iron issues out as well. | 16:48 |
| hemna | but this is what we always say, and it never happens | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: agreed | 16:49 |
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| e0ne | hemna: +1 | 16:49 |
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| kmartin | e0ne, everyone should be testing and fixing bugs now, so no time like the present | 16:49 |
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| e0ne | kmartin, jgriffith: may be we need to anounce bug triadge day after L-3? | 16:51 |
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| jungleboyj | e0ne: Not a bad idea. | 16:51 |
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| jungleboyj | e0ne: You want to bring that up with thingee when he gets back and see if we can plan something? | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Or put it on the agenda for next week maybe? | 16:53 |
| kmartin | e0ne, good idea, maybe wait for the RC to be build. thingee usually has one during the RC. L-3 is over tomorrow | 16:53 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: I'll ask thingee and send mail to openstack-dev ML | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | kmartin: Has everyone else passed out from exhaustion? | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | ok... anything we can't chat about in #penstack-cinder at this point? | 16:54 |
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| jungleboyj | Nope. | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | alright, let's wrap it up | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting cinder | 16:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 2 16:54:44 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-09-02-16.02.html | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-09-02-16.02.txt | 16:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-09-02-16.02.log.html | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | Good meeting. Thanks! | 16:54 |
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| xyang1 | jungleboyj: can you take a look of this one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215530/ | 16:56 |
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| notmyname | hello, everyone. time for the swift team meeting | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 2 21:00:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
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| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| jrichli | o/ | 21:00 |
| minwoob_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:00 |
| wbhuber | \o_ | 21:00 |
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| jlhinson | o/ | 21:00 |
| ho | o/ | 21:00 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:00 |
| hurricanerix | o/ | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | welcome! | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | agenda for today is at | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
| acoles | hello | 21:01 |
| notmyname | just a few things to discuss this week | 21:01 |
| notmyname | first up, swift releases | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #topic swift releases | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | #info we released 2.4.0 yesterday | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | good work everyone! | 21:02 |
| minwoob_ | +1 | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | 55 code contributors, including 29 new people. that's really cool | 21:02 |
| notmyname | here's the release email | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2015-September/000575.html | 21:02 |
| notmyname | this release took longer than normal | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | it was almost 4 months exactly since our last release (2.3.0) | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | that was due to 2 things, I think | 21:03 |
| notmyname | first, the CVE that was closed in this release. I didn't want to have a release between kilo and this one where the bug was open | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | since kilo has a place to do backports, but a mid-cycle release doesn't. just would have been confusing to people | 21:04 |
| notmyname | and the CVE patch took longer than I expected to work through | 21:04 |
| notmyname | second, I think the EC work that was ongoing pushed back the release somewhat. none of us wanted to do a release with so much outstanding EC bugs | 21:05 |
| notmyname | but here we are anyway ;-) | 21:05 |
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| clayg | o/ | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | so, i don't think 4 months for a release is particularly bad. just good to see why it was longer | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | anyone else have thoughts on that? | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | ok :-) | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | so let's look ahead to the next one | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | we need to have a release for the Liberty release cycle | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | looking at the calendar (when the liberty release is) and where we are now and when the expected RC windows are done.... | 21:07 |
| notmyname | that gives us one month | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | so, one month from now -- ie the end of september, give or take a day or two -- will be our next release | 21:07 |
| notmyname | 4 weeks from today | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | (ish) | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | depending on what lands, that will be either 2.4.1 or 2.5.0 | 21:08 |
| notmyname | but for now, I'm expecting 2.4.1 | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | looking at the in-progress stuff, this is a time to start really focusing and saying no to stuff | 21:09 |
| zaitcev | I think we had something like 1.13.1 for Havana or such, so not unprecendented perhaps. I may be misremembereding. | 21:09 |
| notmyname | (remember the hackathon? what can we get done is priority over the stuff that is longer term) | 21:09 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: right. there's no issue witht he version number | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | I've slightly trimmed the starred patches on the review dashboard | 21:09 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202657/ looks like a nice improvement and already has 1 +2, so I left it there | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | would be good to get another reviewer on it asap | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | otherwise, the things that are starred, and the stuff that I want prioritized for the liberty release, are the EC-related patches | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | I'd love to be able to have "all known issues with EC are closed" in the next release notes | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | I'll take a look this morning at 202657 | 21:11 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks | 21:11 |
| notmyname | any questions or concerns for any of that? | 21:11 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: when dependency freezed? | 21:12 |
| kota_ | notmyname: for liberty | 21:12 |
| notmyname | kota_: good question. I'm not sure | 21:12 |
| notmyname | #action notmyname to find the liberty dependency freeze date | 21:12 |
| kota_ | notmyname: my concern is about bumping PyECLib | 21:12 |
| notmyname | ah ok | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | it's not listed on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 21:13 |
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| wbhuber | notmyname: not sure about the sec bugs that someone found in PyECLib (i think jerasure packages)... any concerns about those? | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | there are some general things that need to get straightened out with pyeclib/liberasurecode. I'll be looking at that later this week | 21:14 |
| wbhuber | notmyname: sounds good. | 21:14 |
| notmyname | wbhuber: for security bugs, I'm not sure, and I'll have to look | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | I need to track down the packaging and release stuff and unbundling that is supposed to happen. and the question of where/how to better manage it going forward | 21:14 |
| notmyname | I've been talking with kevin and tushar via email about it | 21:15 |
| kota_ | ok, thanks | 21:15 |
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| torgomatic | hi, sorry I'm late, coffee machine was busted | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | kota_: thanks for bringing up the dependencies. that's a really good thing to notice | 21:15 |
| notmyname | any other dependency changes expected before the next release? | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | kota_: can you track down daisuke and resolve the merge conflict on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138697/ ? | 21:17 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: ok, I'll poke hime, later. | 21:18 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:18 |
| notmyname | ok, It hink that wraps it up for swift 2.4.0 and beyond | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | #topic swiftclient release | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | python-*client projects are released slightly differently these days | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | the main point that matters for us right now is that we need a release of python-swiftclient, and soon, if it is to be included as part of liberty | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | and by soon, I mean end of the week | 21:19 |
| joeljwright | ! | 21:19 |
| notmyname | (which I learned yesterday) | 21:19 |
| notmyname | yeah | 21:19 |
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| joeljwright | ok, well for once I don't think there's anything serious in the queue | 21:20 |
| notmyname | heh ok :-) | 21:20 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-swiftclient,n,z | 21:20 |
| joeljwright | as long as all the patches that are waiting for merge make it through the gate | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | yeah. looks like there are 3 in the gate right now | 21:20 |
| notmyname | ok, like with swift, I want to use launchpad as a way to flag when a release should not happen | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | if there is an open bug marked as critical, I'll hold the release | 21:21 |
| notmyname | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-swiftclient/ | 21:21 |
| notmyname | same as with swift | 21:21 |
| clayg | yay release blocking bugs! | 21:22 |
| notmyname | please, if there is something that you see, let us know ASAP | 21:22 |
| notmyname | clayg: yay that there aren't any right now! ;-) | 21:22 |
| clayg | sorry - that's what I ment :\ | 21:22 |
| notmyname | any questions on swiftclient or the release there? | 21:23 |
| acoles | notmyname: joeljwright so is there amything we want to try to land before end of week? | 21:23 |
| notmyname | although I haven't fully looked, I expect the next swiftclient release to be 2.6.0 | 21:23 |
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| zaitcev | Does anyone know what the heck happened with forcing dependency on PyECLib 1.0.7? The comment says "BSD". | 21:24 |
| acoles | increasing httplib max headers already has a +2 | 21:24 |
| notmyname | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214144/ would be good, I think. avoids the weird problems with newer python | 21:24 |
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| joeljwright | yeah | 21:24 |
| joeljwright | that one and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172791/ | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: that's a temporary thing (the pinning) until tushar does a release that unbundles the libraries (in 1.0.9?). the comment refers to the license | 21:25 |
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| joeljwright | and obviously I;d like this to land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171692/ | 21:25 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: ah, good call on the tenant one | 21:25 |
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| acoles | notmyname: done patch 214144 | 21:26 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214144/ | 21:26 |
| notmyname | acoles: wheee! | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | ok, so this week if you see starred python-swiftclient patches, review those first | 21:27 |
| notmyname | land your swiftclient patches by friday | 21:28 |
| notmyname | land your swift patches by the end of the month | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | oh, one more cool thing (speaking of reviews) | 21:28 |
| notmyname | the community QA cluster will now run probe tests agains every swift patch | 21:28 |
| notmyname | first time in ever that we've had those run automatically | 21:29 |
| acoles | nice! | 21:29 |
| wbhuber | nifty! | 21:29 |
| notmyname | that was just turned on a few hours ago | 21:29 |
| tdasilva | neat! | 21:29 |
| minwoob_ | cool | 21:29 |
| mattoliverau | cool | 21:29 |
| notmyname | it's using clayg's vagrant SAIO as the environment | 21:29 |
| kota_ | nice | 21:29 |
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| clayg | notmyname: ^ wow charz should see that outpooring of praise! | 21:29 |
| clayg | freaking ninja | 21:29 |
| notmyname | yeah. I was just looking for him in here | 21:30 |
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| acoles | charz isn't here | 21:30 |
| notmyname | so charz did it. he's in the -swift channel | 21:30 |
| tdasilva | there | 21:30 |
| clayg | :D | 21:30 |
| notmyname | nice :-) | 21:30 |
| notmyname | ok, anything more on releases before we move on? | 21:30 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on... | 21:31 |
| notmyname | #topic global ec cluster spec | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | I'd like to preface this before kota_ takes the floor | 21:31 |
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| clayg | uhg oh | 21:31 |
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| kota_ | That one is a topic I described in the last hackthon in Austin | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | kota_ added this as a topic. It hink it's great, the idea of going over a spec in here and hopefully landing it during the meeting | 21:32 |
| kota_ | notmyname: nice | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | (but note that the implementation will happen after liberty, not before) | 21:32 |
| notmyname | ok, kota_, you're up. how do you want to guide this? | 21:33 |
| kota_ | notmyname: exactly, it's ok | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209447/3/specs/in_progress/global_ec_cluster.rst,unified | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | spec ^ | 21:33 |
| kota_ | ah, currently, just want to review to land the spec into master. | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | kota_: after reading over it, it seems like you're presenting an idea, but not too much detail on implementation | 21:34 |
| notmyname | other than "we duplicate all the EC fragments" | 21:34 |
| kota_ | notmyname: right, I think it's better to land as the first version for spec, right? | 21:34 |
| notmyname | I'm a fan of land-early-and-often | 21:34 |
| clayg | notmyname: well on the other-hand vuage unimplementable specs are bad too - although I think I agree | 21:35 |
| kota_ | yes. And it lives in gerrit since berfore hackthon :\ | 21:35 |
| notmyname | basically, if I may summarize, you're proposing that instead of just increasing the number of fragments we should be more clever and duplicate the fragments | 21:35 |
| clayg | I need to review the spec - early land should be for the use case - and enumeration of concerns for operations (of which many I feel will be duplicated with multi-region in general) | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | ie don't build a 10+28 scheme and hope it all works across the regions | 21:36 |
| clayg | notmyname: that'd be a good thing to write down for someone before the ML post asking "how come it doesn't work!?" | 21:36 |
| notmyname | kota_: is that a fair summary of what you've written? | 21:36 |
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| kota_ | ok, 1 sec. | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | kota_: I know that torgomatic has some ideas about multi-region stuff that may help (or hurt?) with this spec. some new stuff I don't know all the details on yet | 21:37 |
| kota_ | currently, the spec is focusing on the 2 regions. | 21:38 |
| kota_ | if we employ current ec scheme like 10+4 and if one region gone away, we will lost original data | 21:38 |
| notmyname | right | 21:38 |
| kota_ | to ensure the original data, we should make the scheme >2 data reduncancy like 10+12 | 21:39 |
| notmyname | (for those who don't understand why, 10+4 scheme has 14 fragments. when split over 2 regions, you get 7 in each, and that's not enough to recover) | 21:39 |
| kota_ | notmyname: right, thanks. | 21:39 |
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| minwoob_ | Increasing the number of parity fragments may be preferable in certain situations. | 21:40 |
| kota_ | however more parities will decrease encode/decode performance siginificantly. | 21:40 |
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| clayg | ^ and rebuild! | 21:40 |
| minwoob_ | Maybe the spec should be implemented as a storage policy? | 21:40 |
| notmyname | kota_: thanks for testing that out and sharing the results there. pretty interesting | 21:40 |
| kota_ | minwoob_: yes, it's policy setting. | 21:40 |
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| clayg | minwoob_: I think the solution has many arms - some of them will be features in their own right | 21:41 |
| notmyname | minwoob_: I think that's getting ahead of the spec as it is now :-) | 21:41 |
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| minwoob_ | Okay. Thanks for clarifying. | 21:41 |
| kota_ | minwoob_: my idea is adding a config "duplication_factor" | 21:41 |
| minwoob_ | I see. | 21:41 |
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| mattoliverau | or maybe we need a new policy Erasureplication :P | 21:41 |
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| * mattoliverau is joking | 21:41 | |
| clayg | mattoliverau: that is *so* genious tho | 21:41 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: you can stop now ;-) | 21:41 |
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| clayg | mattoliverau: do not stop! | 21:42 |
| kota_ | mattoliverau: but it's nice word to describe my idea. | 21:42 |
| clayg | :) | 21:42 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:42 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: read my mind | 21:42 |
| kota_ | notmyname: does it you make sense? | 21:42 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: how does that jive with your ring of rings thing? | 21:42 |
| clayg | kota_: I wasn't sure that joke would play to non-native - you continue to impress my friend | 21:42 |
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| torgomatic | it's orthogonal | 21:43 |
| clayg | oh | 21:43 |
| clayg | :'( | 21:43 |
| notmyname | kota_: yeah, I think the idea makes a lot of sense and is where we'd start as the first reasonable implementation of region-ec | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: oh, it is? | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | I probably don't understand your stuff then | 21:43 |
| torgomatic | me neither | 21:43 |
| notmyname | heh, ok | 21:43 |
| clayg | yeah I'm not sure a 28 replica ring placed over two clusters with a duplication_factor of 2 on a 10+4 will "just work" | 21:43 |
| clayg | torgomatic: LOL! | 21:44 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:44 |
| tdasilva | what's ring of rings? | 21:44 |
| tdasilva | is it the one ring to rule them all? | 21:44 |
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| torgomatic | I'm calling it "bananaphone" | 21:44 |
| clayg | tdasilva: some shit torgomatic made up (I don't know the details either) | 21:44 |
| clayg | torgomatic: you are NOT naming things - that's mattoliverau's job | 21:44 |
| tdasilva | haha | 21:44 |
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| mattoliverau | lol | 21:44 |
| torgomatic | hehe | 21:44 |
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| clayg | we shall call it "my precious" | 21:44 |
| joeljwright | :D | 21:45 |
| kota_ | tdasilva: one ring in one cluster | 21:45 |
| kota_ | cluster means it has all regions | 21:45 |
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| minwoob_ | That would be epic. | 21:46 |
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| zaitcev | Okay, I suppose of Kota wins, then for 10+4 it's 10 per side or 20 for 2 regions, instead of 14 in pure EC. It is still half of 4x rep of 40 total. | 21:47 |
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| mattoliverau | kota_ has done some good research, found a problem and has come up with a reasonable step forward.. like anything I think it has merit to go forward as a first attempt. At the very least we should land it and then see what happens when we talk design in the later patches | 21:48 |
| zaitcev | I am afraid to look though. | 21:48 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: my thoughts exactly. well said | 21:48 |
| notmyname | and I added my +2 | 21:48 |
| mattoliverau | care would need to be given in plaement of duplicates, but that's a design thing | 21:48 |
| kota_ | mattoliverau: right, and thanks! | 21:49 |
| mattoliverau | kota_: and +A'ed :) | 21:49 |
| tdasilva | so, are we agreeing that duplicating is the best way forward for global replication? | 21:49 |
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| tdasilva | ec global replication that is | 21:49 |
| mattoliverau | tdasilva: no we're agreeing that its a good idea to follow up on | 21:49 |
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| tdasilva | ok | 21:49 |
| kota_ | tdasilva: good question, IMO no | 21:49 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: I'm agreeing that it's a reasonable...yeah, what mattoliverau said | 21:50 |
| kota_ | tdasilva: it's a way to solve the problem. we still can choose another way. | 21:50 |
| tdasilva | sounds good, thanks | 21:50 |
| kota_ | like...container-sync? | 21:51 |
| notmyname | yeah, torgomatic's thing is something like "let's have tiers of rings that allow for explicit placement like 'put 2 here and 1 there'". That may be somethign else to pursue that could be unrelated to this or help this | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | and yeah, more separate clusters with a better container sync between them is definitely a great thing. and IBM is *really* interested in that these days | 21:51 |
| jrichli | +1 | 21:52 |
| kota_ | wow, interesting idea to employ tiered ring. | 21:52 |
| notmyname | anyway, kota_ thanks for working on this and bringing it up | 21:52 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | anything else to address in today's meeting? | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | (I'm amazed at how fast specs merge) | 21:53 |
| notmyname | thanks, everyone, for coming. and thanks for working on swift. you make it great | 21:53 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 2 21:53:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-09-02-21.00.html | 21:53 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-09-02-21.00.txt | 21:53 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-09-02-21.00.log.html | 21:53 |
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