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whip_what is openstack01:20
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whip_Somebody out there?02:15
whip_HELLO WORLD?02:15
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whip_i just watched that snowden documentary and he says that a trillion kps is possible02:45
whip_ do you know anything about that02:45
whip_ i assume the my budget constraints wouldn't let me touch that but i'm still intrested in knowing the hardware02:45
whip_ or is it total BS?02:45
whip_ I did hear about some quatum computer at UCLA that supposible would smash current encryption methods but it wasn't operational yet02:45
whip_ nowadays science fiction and fact are kind of hard to decipher02:45
whip_ http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/Quantum-Computing-Secure-Communications-5356?RelNum=535602:45
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johnthetubaguy#startmeeting nova_api12:01
openstackMeeting started Fri Aug  7 12:01:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.12:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.12:01
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edleafeo/12:01
johnthetubaguy#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaAPI12:01
eliqiao1O/12:01
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johnthetubaguyhi, so alex_xu is stuck in water, I think, or something like that12:02
johnthetubaguy#topic Liberty Stuff12:02
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johnthetubaguy#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-liberty-summit-action-items12:02
johnthetubaguyanyone got anything to raise for the work items?12:02
eliqiao1yeah, alex_xu is swimming in beijing's street :)12:03
johnthetubaguyso sdague raised a good point, in that we need to make more progress with API docs12:03
edleafeugh, I didn't hear about that12:03
johnthetubaguyI also noticed that the remove extensions spec is not merged for liberty, but we should sure make progress on that too, ideally12:04
johnthetubaguyedleafe: how are your patches doing?12:04
johnthetubaguyfor the rename12:04
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edleafeI need some fresh eyes12:04
johnthetubaguyyou got the link handy?12:04
edleafeI posted the second phase yesterday12:04
edleafeone sec12:04
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edleafehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/210131/12:05
johnthetubaguy#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210131/12:05
edleafeThe failing tests all follow the same pattern, and I can't see how to fix it12:05
edleafeseems like something in the wsgi fakes12:05
johnthetubaguyoh nasty12:06
johnthetubaguyI was just looking at the first one12:06
johnthetubaguyhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/193725/2812:06
johnthetubaguythat has failing tests now I guess12:06
edleafeyeah, I saw that one of my junior devs pushed something last night12:07
edleafeI think PS 27 only had some spurious failures12:07
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edleafehaven't looked to see what he changed12:07
edleafeyet12:07
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johnthetubaguyyeah, its early12:08
johnthetubaguyhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/193725/28/nova/tests/functional/api_samples/legacy_v2/all_extensions/server-get-resp.json.tpl,cm12:09
johnthetubaguythats the bit that seems odd I guess12:09
johnthetubaguywasn't sure why that stuff had changed12:09
edleafeme neither12:11
edleafeI don't remember touching that myself12:11
johnthetubaguyhmm, OK12:11
johnthetubaguyso I have a feeling there are a few little gremlins in there12:11
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johnthetubaguyso this one:12:11
johnthetubaguyhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/193725/28/nova/api/openstack/compute/legacy_v2/contrib/__init__.py,cm12:11
sdagueedleafe: well, if you think a smaller series helps get to the bottom of test failures, so be it12:11
johnthetubaguyseems like the config changed12:11
edleafenot having done any of the v3 stuff, I find myself guessing as to what was supposed to be temporary12:11
johnthetubaguytemporary, in what sense?12:12
johnthetubaguyyou mean which stuff will eventually get removed?12:12
edleafegoing away once microversions was the law of the land12:12
johnthetubaguyright, its the stuff in legacy_v2, as I understand it12:12
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johnthetubaguy(although there are other things)12:13
edleafejohnthetubaguy: well, I meant what in v3 is v21, and what is vestigial12:13
edleafelots of test code has both V21 and V3 test cases12:13
johnthetubaguyright, v3 is the v2.1 stuff, the legacy_v2 stuff will get removed after a deprecation sycle12:13
johnthetubaguyyeah, thats crazy12:13
johnthetubaguyv3 = v2.1 now12:14
sdagueedleafe: I don't think it really has both, I think not all of it has gotten converted12:14
johnthetubaguyah, that makes sense12:14
johnthetubaguyso the unit tests, I see you are moving those, is that a good idea?12:15
johnthetubaguyI am thinking we should maybe move those second? given they are slowly converging into a single set of tests anyways?12:15
edleafeif the goal is to make things less confusing to newcomers to the code base, yes, they have to be moved too12:15
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edleafejohnthetubaguy: oh, you mean break things into smaller steps?12:16
johnthetubaguyedleafe: I just think it will be simpler to see whats correct once we have moved the API code12:16
johnthetubaguyyeah12:16
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edleafesdague: yeah, that could be. It's hard to tell with some of it, though12:16
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sdaguejohnthetubaguy: yeh, well, I'm a little concerned that we're going to half merge things and make it worse. As long as we are up for late merge with this maybe that's ok12:17
johnthetubaguyI mean, once those test imports are updated, I recon life will be easier12:17
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edleafesdague: I agree. We should hold off merging these until they are all ready, and then push them at once12:18
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edleafesdague: that should achieve the 'pull the band-aid quickly' pain we were hoping for12:18
johnthetubaguyso I have a feeling we have a week at the most to get this all in, but thats just my gut feeling12:18
edleafeI don't mind doing all the grunt work (pep8 is a huge pain), but if I could get some insight on what I'm doing wrong with the test failures, that would be a big help12:19
johnthetubaguyOK, who would you say knows those inside out, I am not sure any more?12:20
edleafeIn the past alex_xu was pretty helpful, but he's not been around much lately12:21
* edleafe really wishes he could ping Chris Yeoh12:21
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johnthetubaguyyeah, so I am tempted to have a look, in the spirit of a new pair of eyes12:21
sdaguesure, it's just going to kind of suck to end this cycle without this bit done12:22
johnthetubaguyhonestly it looks like we have stuff testing the wrong code bade12:22
edleafethat would be greatly appreciated12:22
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edleafejohnthetubaguy: that's why breaking this up is critical12:22
johnthetubaguyOK, I will get some lunch and take a look at this, we need this moving foward12:22
sdagueso - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-api - is an etherpad with the what I think is the required work for 2.112:22
sdaguesorry for liberty12:23
johnthetubaguyedleafe: yeah, I think you are right12:23
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edleafewhen it was one big patch, you had things pointing to the same file path12:23
sdaguethis is 8. on there12:23
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johnthetubaguywe are a little ways away from a lot of those right now :'(12:23
edleafeit was impossible to distinguish12:23
johnthetubaguyalthough we have time12:23
johnthetubaguyedleafe: can we focus on this today, with a view to merge on Monday?12:24
johnthetubaguyedleafe: does that seem possible?12:24
sdagueI'm not sure I feel like I have a good handle on the where all the pieces stand12:24
edleafejohnthetubaguy: I'm focused only on this right now12:24
johnthetubaguyedleafe: OK, cool, lets do this12:24
johnthetubaguyedleafe: I vote for a working series, we can squash stuff later if that makes sense12:25
edleafesdague: welcome to the club! :)12:25
johnthetubaguyOK...12:25
edleafejohnthetubaguy: squashing makes sense12:25
johnthetubaguyedleafe: yeah, get all the tests passing, then worry about the best way to merge, I think thats probably the way to go here12:26
johnthetubaguyOK, so how do we work out where we are at?12:26
edleafeI'll work on getting all the tests passing for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193725/12:26
johnthetubaguyI am not around for this meeting next week, sadly12:26
edleafeit's pretty close12:26
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johnthetubaguyedleafe: OK12:26
sdagueok, so I guess a bit more information is in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-liberty-summit-action-items12:27
johnthetubaguyI am thinking about the big etherpad right now12:27
johnthetubaguysdague: it should really all be in here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking but its not12:27
johnthetubaguywell the patches I mean12:27
sdague#info Microversion support for python nova client - only patch listed merge12:28
johnthetubaguyOK, so I don't think we have the right folks here to work out where we go12:28
johnthetubaguysdague: ah, there was a part 2 patch, not sure if that merged12:28
sdague#info Restructure API tree to remove v3 and other confusing things - holding on ed getting working patch12:28
sdague#info Microversion bump guidelines - Nova devref merged12:29
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sdagueis there anything else we really need on microversion bump guidelines?12:29
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johnthetubaguyI think we got the key bits done, we can add more examples when its obvious what we should add12:29
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sdagueyeh, it looks like the other items in there are AP-WG ones12:30
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sdague#info Remainging policy moving to API layer - patches up for review, status needed on how far to go12:30
sdague#info Middleware to relax jsonschema validation on v2.0 - patches up for review12:30
johnthetubaguythe API extension deprecation and remove, I guess thats a little blocked behind the v3 restructure12:30
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: honestly, not entirely12:31
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sdaguewe can fix it on the glass12:31
johnthetubaguyOK, that would be good12:31
sdaguewhen is L3?12:31
* johnthetubaguy checks12:32
johnthetubaguyseptember 1st12:32
johnthetubaguyish12:32
johnthetubaguyhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Liberty_Release_Schedule12:32
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sdaguebecause I'm only working 4 days next week, then out for 8 days (vacation and linuxcon) so trying to figure out how to keep things moving12:32
johnthetubaguyyeah, I am 3 days next week, but back after that12:32
sdague#info drop extensions - no progress12:33
sdague#info Change default paste pipeline to use v2.1 for v2.0 - no progress12:33
johnthetubaguyso I guess we need to tidy up the patches that need review etherpad12:33
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johnthetubaguy#info deprecate v2_legacy - no progress12:33
sdagueyeh, how I wish we had better tools to keep an eye on stuff like this :)12:33
sdaguebut, anyway12:33
johnthetubaguy+112:33
johnthetubaguybut yeah12:33
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johnthetubaguyso we could just create a blueprint for each one of these12:34
sdagueyeh, lets do that out of band though.12:34
johnthetubaguyyup12:34
sdagueAlso, I won't be here for the next 2 of these meetings, flying both days12:34
eliqiao1#info python-novaclient microverversion got +2 already, need 1 more +2 https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-novaclient+branch:master+topic:bp/api-microversion-support,n,z12:34
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johnthetubaguysdague: yeah, I miss the next one, but I am around for the one after that12:35
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sdagueeliqiao1: thanks12:35
sdagueok, I just approved those12:35
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sdagueok, so that's at least a thing12:37
sdague#info python microversion client support approved and headed to the gate12:37
johnthetubaguyyep, there are some good patches to support microversions following that12:37
sdagueI approved the console one12:37
johnthetubaguycool12:37
sdaguethe nmi stuff still needs the api to land12:37
johnthetubaguyyeah12:38
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sdagueso... I'm kind of confused why nmi is a useful API12:38
sdaguebecause, how is one expected to see the crash dump12:38
johnthetubaguyI don't remember how that worked in the spec now12:39
johnthetubaguypossible the console log?12:39
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sdagueoh, the spec isn't approved either12:39
johnthetubaguyhmm, how did we miss that :S12:39
johnthetubaguyhttp://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/liberty/approved/inject-nmi.html12:40
kashyapsdague: Randomly chiming in, on systemd-enabled systems you can view core dumps easy using `coredumpctl`12:40
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: there's an update to the spec12:40
sdagueso, honestly, I want to not call this nmi12:41
johnthetubaguyah, OK12:41
sdagueit should be called crashdump or something12:41
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sdagueand it happens that we do nmi calls for some backends12:41
sdaguebut how to trigger a dump might be different12:41
sdaguebased on OS or hypervisor12:41
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johnthetubaguyyeah, that makes a lot of sense12:42
sdaguekashyap: ok, reading the spec I see that it will be stored in the guest filesystem12:42
sdaguemakes a little more sense to me about that12:43
kashyapsdague: Afraid, haven't read the spec completely.  Will do after lunch.12:44
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: ok, so given the spec is already approved, how do you want me to give that feedback?12:44
sdaguealso, appologies to not having caught any of these API things during the big spec push12:44
johnthetubaguysdague: I guess firstly on the code review, we can generate a spec review to keep it consistent on top of that, I guess?12:45
johnthetubaguymy concern is, we kinda merge that today, or in mitaka, based on the current plan12:45
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johnthetubaguynow, we totally shound't just merge what we have12:46
johnthetubaguyjust thinking how to express the merge of the better thing12:46
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sdagueyep12:46
johnthetubaguyI have a feeling the right thing might be to -2 and say its not quite ready yet12:46
sdagueok, works for me12:47
johnthetubaguyI would rather that, than merge a bad API we need to rename later12:47
sdagueyeh12:47
sdagueok, I'll do that.12:47
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edleafejohnthetubaguy: heh12:48
johnthetubaguyOK, how are we doing for other things12:48
johnthetubaguyI think there are quite a few actions to follow up on12:48
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johnthetubaguy#action johnthetubaguy to catch up with alex_xu and others in his morning about the current state of API efforts12:49
johnthetubaguyso I should do that ^12:49
sdagueright so how about the following. I'll update the API Agenda in the wiki with the high level items we are tracking that should be on the agenda each time12:49
johnthetubaguysdague: sounds like a top idea12:49
johnthetubaguythat should help drive us forward a bit more, good plan12:49
sdagueyeh12:49
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johnthetubaguyI will let the know why the agenda change, if I catch them online12:50
johnthetubaguy#action sdague to update the agenda for this meeting to cover the key focus areas of the API work12:50
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johnthetubaguy#topic Open Discussion12:50
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johnthetubaguyso I am thinking we are about done now?12:50
sdaguewell 2 things12:50
johnthetubaguyah, fire away12:51
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sdague1) I talked with annegentle about our need for a new concept guide. I figure that's a thing I'm going to start writing after we ensure all the critical stuff is landed12:51
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sdagueit will live in the nova tree12:51
sdaguebut publish to developer.openstack.org12:51
johnthetubaguyah, OK12:52
sdagueI'm assuming that will be a thing we can merge patches on during the freeze12:52
johnthetubaguyah, wait, yeah, thats the correct place for it12:52
johnthetubaguysdague: +1 for docs12:52
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sdague2) been talking with dolphm and annegentle about service catalog futures12:52
johnthetubaguysdague: oh wait, the translation people might need to hear about that, but I don't think we translated those at the moment12:52
sdagueI don't think developer.openstack.org is translated, is it?12:53
johnthetubaguysdague: not as far as I know12:53
sdagueyeh, so I'm going to punt on i18n on it for now12:53
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sdagueanyway, service catalog12:53
johnthetubaguyits just the string freeze, and we are adding text, but thats fine if they know not to translate it12:54
sdagueright12:54
johnthetubaguyyeah, service catalog12:54
johnthetubaguyso part of this is having a consistent one between all deploys I guess12:54
sdagueyeh, there are a few things12:54
sdaguefirst, all services should use the service catalog to talk to things, and not config vars12:55
johnthetubaguyOK, makes sense, but I do wonder if we still get to have a list of API endpoints for glance, etc12:55
sdaguethere is a patch to nova to get glance via service catalog which does not yet exist12:55
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johnthetubaguyyeah12:56
sdaguebut, I think we also wanted to get rid of {tenant_id} in the Nova API urls12:56
sdaguebecause it's known in the token/context12:56
sdagueso just weird and reduntant in the url12:56
johnthetubaguyoh, there was some debate I saw about that on an internal list, I wondered how that came back up12:57
johnthetubaguyso we can do that in a microversion, I guess...12:57
sdagueit's a little more complicated than that, however there is a cross project spec, and I'll update with a detailed plan12:57
johnthetubaguyyes, the old stuff is tricky12:57
johnthetubaguyOK, I should read that12:57
sdaguethis is all M and N timeframe12:57
johnthetubaguyyeah12:58
johnthetubaguyits good to get this out in the open pre summit, so sounds like good timing12:58
sdaguebut I'd like to get the spec in shape before Tokyo so we can move forward12:58
johnthetubaguytotally12:58
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sdaguethe patch for glance off the service catalog should show up this cycle, I'll do that one12:58
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sdagueand that's it fromme12:59
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johnthetubaguyOK, the bit that worries me is making the list of API endpoints work, although thats partly something we should get away from13:00
sdagueyeh, I think I have a plan13:00
johnthetubaguyso the history there is, when downloading and uploading, its nice not to have a loadbalancer in the way13:00
johnthetubaguyat least, thats why I care about it13:00
johnthetubaguyalthough we have starting moving to a redirecting loadbalancer instead13:01
johnthetubaguyanyways, sounds good13:01
johnthetubaguyI guess we are out of time, so we should stop13:01
johnthetubaguythanks all, some good debate there, thanks sdague for helping kick this into a higher gear13:01
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geoffarnold#startmeeting mercadorproject17:00
openstackMeeting started Fri Aug  7 17:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is geoffarnold. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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geoffarnoldGyee and Sean and I were working on this late yesterday evening at HP17:02
geoffarnoldNot sure we'll have much to contribute this morning...17:02
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geoffarnoldBiggest outcome of the discussions is that it looks as if whenever the Subscriber user wants to create a project in the virtual region, it's going to have to be created on both sides17:04
geoffarnoldOr rather we'll have to create a project in the sub Keystone and a second project in the pub Keystone17:05
shalehunless someone can suggest a way to have the scoped tokens have the right fields _AND_ allow for policy/quota/metering on both sides17:05
geoffarnoldYup17:05
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geoffarnolddavidjc is still on PTO for about a week. We'll have another design session at HP on Tuesday (OK shaleh? gyee said that worked.)17:09
gyeesure17:10
geoffarnoldraildo, any updates in the reseller space?17:10
shalehgeoffarnold: sounds good17:11
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raildogeoffarnold: in fact, we have this bknudson's comment here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157427/17:12
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raildothat we need to discuss more about it, and find the best solution for this problem17:12
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geoffarnoldUnderstood. I hadn't realized this was still open. I'll take a look.17:14
gyeegeoffarnold, thinking this through a bit, I think we still have an issue with the endpoints17:14
gyeewe need a way to restrict the endpoints for a given domain17:14
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geoffarnoldI agree that would be a good idea. AS I said, it's orthogonal to federation, isn't it? I mean, I might want to prevent projects in one of my regular local domains from using Sahara17:16
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gyeebasically, you don't want the endpoints from a virtual region to show up in the global catalog17:16
gyeebecause other domains can't access them17:16
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geoffarnoldSo whatever works for the non-federted case will have to work for federated17:16
gyeethis is nothing to do with federation17:17
gyeeI suppose we can enhance endpoint group filter to do exclusion instead of inclusion17:18
gyeelike including everything but ...17:18
gyeeanyway, no biggie at this point, just something we need to fix in the future17:19
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gyeedid geoffarnold just disappear?17:22
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shalehyes he did17:25
* gyee go pour himself a cup while waiting17:25
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geoffarnoldHm. I keep getting disconnected.17:26
gyeegeoffarnold, I would wait for my IT guy at the parking lot17:26
geoffarnoldShall we wrap up?17:26
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geoffarnold#endmeeting17:27
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openstackMeeting ended Fri Aug  7 17:27:47 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)17:27
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geoffarnoldKept getting disconnected, so it wasn't clear if the mercadorproject meeting was still running. Just killed my corporate VPN, which helped.17:32
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