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| thinrichs | Hi all | 00:00 |
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| thinrichs | Time for the Congress meeting. | 00:00 |
| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 00:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 6 00:00:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 00:00 |
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| thinrichs | This is the first time for our new schedule. | 00:01 |
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| RuiChen | hi all | 00:01 |
| thinrichs | Let's give everyone a few extra minutes before we get started. | 00:01 |
| thinrichs | RuiChen: hi! | 00:01 |
| pballand | hi! | 00:01 |
| thinrichs | Who is here for the meeting? | 00:01 |
| thinrichs | pballand: hi! | 00:01 |
| jwy | howdy | 00:02 |
| masahito | hi. and from Palo Alto! | 00:02 |
| Yingxin1 | hi | 00:02 |
| thinrichs | masahito: welcome to town! | 00:02 |
| thinrichs | jwy, Yingxin1: hi | 00:02 |
| thinrichs | A quick follow up about our meeting reschedule. | 00:03 |
| thinrichs | #topic Meeting time | 00:04 |
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| thinrichs | There was exactly one day we could all make this time. | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | http://doodle.com/5brc9vhggvtiipk3 | 00:04 |
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| thinrichs | And while it doesn't show it because not everyone voted, there was only 1 time we could make. | 00:05 |
| thinrichs | http://doodle.com/intkzvgizusb7b4t | 00:05 |
| thinrichs | So it's a brittle solution, but it works for now. | 00:06 |
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| thinrichs | Hopefully that's enough time for people to join who will be joining. | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | Let's move on to the liberty mid-cycle summit. | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | #topic Mid-cycle summit | 00:07 |
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| thinrichs | The summit is the next 2 days in Palo Alto, CA, USA. | 00:07 |
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| thinrichs | Here is the etherpad. | 00:07 |
| thinrichs | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-liberty-sprint | 00:07 |
| thinrichs | I started putting together some background about what we're doing | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | and how I think we want to structure the next 2 days. | 00:08 |
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| thinrichs | BTW, here's the link with info about the summit, including logistics. | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/CongressLibertySprint | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | We'll have a remote connection available for those of you who want to participate but can't attend in person. | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | We'll put the details into the etherpad once we know them. | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | Feel free to modify the etherpad as you see fit. | 00:10 |
| thinrichs | Any questions/comments at this point? | 00:10 |
| masahito | When I go to the place, can I get to there by car? | 00:11 |
| alexsyip | Yes | 00:11 |
| alexsyip | I’m adding the building and room info now. | 00:11 |
| masahito | alexsyip: thank you | 00:11 |
| thinrichs | Anything else? Are we saving everything for tomorrow? | 00:13 |
| thinrichs | :) | 00:13 |
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| thinrichs | Moving on then. | 00:15 |
| thinrichs | #topic Milestones | 00:15 |
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| thinrichs | Last week we cut the liberty-2 "release" | 00:15 |
| thinrichs | So we're now in the midst of liberty-3. | 00:15 |
| thinrichs | Please update your blueprints to target liberty-3, if you're planning to get code into the liberty release. | 00:15 |
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| thinrichs | liberty-3 is feature-freeze, meaning that we only allow bug fixes, documentation updates, etc. into the repo. | 00:16 |
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| zhenzanz | so what about the action listing bp? | 00:16 |
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| thinrichs | liberty-3 is Sept 1-3. | 00:17 |
| thinrichs | zhenzanz: looking | 00:17 |
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| thinrichs | zhenzanz: looks like I updated the milestone target to liberty-3 already | 00:18 |
| thinrichs | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress/+spec/add-action-listing | 00:18 |
| thinrichs | Now that I think of it, I probably updated the milestones for all those that I knew were in progress. | 00:18 |
| zhenzanz | yes, thanks | 00:18 |
| thinrichs | Here are the BP targeted at liberty-3 currently. | 00:18 |
| thinrichs | #link https://launchpad.net/congress/+milestone/liberty-3 | 00:18 |
| RuiChen | I can help to review action list BP, would like to see it land on L release. | 00:19 |
| zhenzanz | ruichen: thank you | 00:19 |
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| thinrichs | Seems a good time to transition to status updates. | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | #topic Status updates | 00:20 |
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| thinrichs | zhenzanz: want to go first? How are the action-listings going? | 00:20 |
| zhenzanz | I think the main logic is ok | 00:20 |
| zhenzanz | but not all serivces have good doc to parse | 00:21 |
| zhenzanz | e.g. neutronclient | 00:21 |
| thinrichs | zhenzanz: could you briefly explain to others what you're working on? | 00:22 |
| thinrichs | That way maybe they have solutions to the issues you're seeing. | 00:22 |
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| zhenzanz | the purpose of action listing is to get a list of executable methods congress could execute | 00:23 |
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| zhenzanz | the way I am working on is to inspect service clients for their APIs and related arguments | 00:24 |
| zhenzanz | and generates a list to return | 00:24 |
| zhenzanz | novaclient has very good document and it's easy to parse | 00:24 |
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| zhenzanz | but neutronclient doesn't. And it uses decorates which makes it even harder to parse | 00:25 |
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| thinrichs | The other important piece is that… | 00:26 |
| thinrichs | the actions that can be executed for any given datasource... | 00:26 |
| thinrichs | are often all the methods that are implemented on the Python client for that datasource. | 00:27 |
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| thinrichs | So for nova, the actions you can execute via policy that looks like…. | 00:27 |
| thinrichs | execute[nova:ACTION(…)] :- p(x), q(x) | 00:27 |
| thinrichs | are exactly the ones that Nova's python client implements. | 00:27 |
| thinrichs | So to build a method that enumerates each of the available actions for the Nova datasource... | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | we need to enumerate the methods on the Nova python client. | 00:28 |
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| thinrichs | And somehow generate documentation for the possible arguments. | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | zhenzanz is using Python's introspection capabilities to try to extract that information. | 00:29 |
| thinrichs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203495/ | 00:29 |
| thinrichs | zhenzanz: is that about right? | 00:29 |
| zhenzanz | exactly | 00:29 |
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| zhenzanz | One question is that I am not sure if it makes sense that all the methods could be executed in congress | 00:30 |
| zhenzanz | I mean all the parsed methods by a simple inspect | 00:30 |
| zhenzanz | do we need some kind of filter | 00:31 |
| thinrichs | zhenzanz: I think we do want to filter so that people can't execute arbitrary code on the nova-client. | 00:32 |
| thinrichs | I'm wondering if we could do a code-injection attack somehow by say overwriting an existing nova-client method. | 00:32 |
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| zhenzanz | current design will just return the method name, and the user input will be also used as method name. Only method names in the tracked executable_methods could be resolved and then executed. | 00:35 |
| thinrichs | pballand, ayip, others: any thoughts here? | 00:35 |
| zhenzanz | so I think it should be ok | 00:35 |
| thinrichs | zhenzanz: ok. I'd say we want to get something merged and then slowly improve it over time. | 00:36 |
| thinrichs | Just having a list of the method names is better than nothing. | 00:37 |
| alexsyip | filtering seems like a good idea to me. | 00:37 |
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| thinrichs | Let's move on. | 00:37 |
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| thinrichs | RuiChen: want to go next? | 00:37 |
| RuiChen | ok | 00:38 |
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| RuiChen | working on bug 1473924 | 00:38 |
| openstack | bug 1473924 in congress "datasource-row-list API raise 400 exception when thread switching occur in update_from_datasource()" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1473924 - Assigned to Rui Chen (kiwik-chenrui) | 00:38 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1473924 in congress "datasource-row-list API raise 400 exception when thread switching occur in update_from_datasource()" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1473924 | 00:38 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1473924 in congress "datasource-row-list API raise 400 exception when thread switching occur in update_from_datasource()" [Undecided,In progress] | 00:38 |
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| RuiChen | I think the problem is if we use @check_raw_data_changed to only retrun the changed data | 00:39 |
| RuiChen | the unchanged and deleted data are not present in the translated data | 00:39 |
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| RuiChen | so need a way to mark the different type data in order to empty deleted dta and don't modify the unchanged data in self.update_state() | 00:40 |
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| thinrichs | Does set_state() solve the problem? | 00:41 |
| thinrichs | It's basically atomic. | 00:41 |
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| RuiChen | use set_state, only a problem | 00:41 |
| RuiChen | the unchanged data don't retrun from @check_raw_data_changed | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | Also remember that check_raw_data_changed is an optimization—one that I'm guessing we can skip. | 00:42 |
| RuiChen | so if we use set_state, this part of data is removed from self.state | 00:42 |
| RuiChen | yes, if we don't @check_raw_data_changed, I think it should be ok | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | RuiChen: I think I see what you're getting at. | 00:44 |
| thinrichs | If we use check_raw_data_changed, then implicitly it means we're doing partial updates of self.state. | 00:44 |
| zhenzanz | is there any impact if we want to integrate oslo notification in the future? | 00:45 |
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| thinrichs | zhenzanz: I think that's a separable issue | 00:45 |
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| masahito | sorry, connection was disconnected. | 00:47 |
| thinrichs | RuiChen: I do see the issue now. I didn't before. | 00:47 |
| thinrichs | RuiChen: but I don't have a solution. | 00:47 |
| thinrichs | Let's move on, as we're running low on time. | 00:47 |
| thinrichs | masahito: want to do a status report? | 00:47 |
| masahito | nothing special. | 00:48 |
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| thinrichs | OK. | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | Yingxin1: want to give a status update? | 00:48 |
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| Yingxin1 | yes | 00:48 |
| Yingxin1 | I have implemented a prototype in https://github.com/cyx1231st/rpcpoc for dse-rpc | 00:49 |
| Yingxin1 | maybe it is useful in the mid-cycle sprint | 00:49 |
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| RuiChen | Yingxin1: it's great! | 00:50 |
| Yingxin1 | which is related to the bp https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205941/ | 00:50 |
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| Yingxin1 | RuiChen: thanks | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | Yingxin1: I'll definitely take a look. | 00:51 |
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| Yingxin1 | Thank you | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | Yingxin1: Any chance you could push that code to the review system? | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | It'd be easier for the rest of us to look at it there because it shows us the deltas between the old version and your version. | 00:52 |
| Yingxin1 | ok, I can push that to gerrit | 00:52 |
| Yingxin1 | before the sprint | 00:52 |
| thinrichs | Yingxin1: that'd be great. | 00:52 |
| thinrichs | In case you haven't done that before, here's the OpenStack guide on getting started. | 00:53 |
| thinrichs | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html | 00:53 |
| thinrichs | We're running short on time. | 00:53 |
| thinrichs | Anyone else have something they want feedback on from the group? | 00:54 |
| thinrichs | #topic open discussion | 00:54 |
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| zhenzanz | one more thing: one of the tempest patch is merged | 00:54 |
| thinrichs | pballand, alexyip, jwy: sorry we ran out of time for your status updates; pipe up here if you need to. | 00:54 |
| thinrichs | Same goes for anyone else I missed. | 00:54 |
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| zhenzanz | when the other tempest-lib is merged, the patch for congress ha tempest patch could be merged | 00:55 |
| jwy | thinrichs: np, just lurking today | 00:55 |
| thinrichs | zhenzanz: great! Are you getting any reviews on tempest-lib? | 00:55 |
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| zhenzanz | no for patch set 4 yet | 00:56 |
| thinrichs | Let us know if there's anything we can do to help. | 00:56 |
| zhenzanz | but it's ok to bypass that patch set. We can catch the socket.error in our code if we want | 00:56 |
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| thinrichs | It'd be nice to get the tempest tests gating checkins again. | 00:57 |
| thinrichs | zhenzanz: is it worth writing the patch we need temporarily until tempest-lib is fixed properly? | 00:58 |
| thinrichs | zhenzanz: then maybe we could work on getting the gate working again. | 00:59 |
| zhenzanz | I think so, I am not sure if tempest guy will buy in that patch soon | 00:59 |
| zhenzanz | I can modify the congress patch to catch socket.error exception today | 00:59 |
| thinrichs | Sounds great. Let us if you need anything. | 01:00 |
| thinrichs | Out of time for this week. Thanks all! | 01:00 |
| thinrichs | Don't forget about the sprint tomorrow! | 01:00 |
| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 6 01:00:36 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-08-06-00.00.html | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-08-06-00.00.txt | 01:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-08-06-00.00.log.html | 01:00 |
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| RuiChen | thank you, everybody :) | 01:02 |
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| Daisy | Hello, I will start I18n meeting now. | 06:00 |
| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 06:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 6 06:00:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 06:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 06:00 |
| Daisy | Who is around ? | 06:00 |
| katomo | Hi | 06:01 |
| Daisy | Hi, katomo | 06:01 |
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| aeng | Hi Daisy | 06:01 |
| Daisy | Hi, aeng. Nice to see you. | 06:01 |
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| epico | Hi Daisy | 06:01 |
| Daisy | Hi, epico | 06:01 |
| Daisy | I don't know if we are able to have more. | 06:02 |
| Daisy | Anyway, let's start. | 06:02 |
| Daisy | #topic Prioritise requirements/bugs of Zanata server | 06:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Prioritise requirements/bugs of Zanata server (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 06:02 | |
| Daisy | We are going to move to Zanata for Liberty release. | 06:03 |
| aeng | Liberty is next release I asssume? | 06:03 |
| Daisy | Yes, aeng | 06:03 |
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| Daisy | The string freeze is at the beginning of September. | 06:04 |
| Daisy | We will start dashboard translation after string freeze. | 06:04 |
| Daisy | So we have less than 1 month before we start the use of Zanata. | 06:04 |
| Daisy | I assume Elizabeth K. Joseph will have everything ready for us, from infrastructure perspective. | 06:05 |
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| Daisy | According to the Etherpad page, there are a lot of bugs and requirements feedback from i18n team. | 06:06 |
| aeng | Any blocker from infrastructure point of view? as well as blocker issues? | 06:06 |
| Daisy | Yes, that's a good question, aeng. | 06:06 |
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| Daisy | I want to Prioritise those feedbacks. | 06:07 |
| Daisy | to have a list of things that are absolutely required before we go into production, and then a wishlist of things that may be important, but we could go into production without them. | 06:07 |
| Daisy | Said by Elizabeth. I agree with her. | 06:08 |
| Daisy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zanata-feedback | 06:08 |
| katomo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zanata-feedback | 06:08 |
| Daisy | So let's go to Etherpad page, and go through those issues/features one by one. | 06:09 |
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| aeng | alright | 06:09 |
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| Daisy | The first one, aeng, are we able to bypass this issue now ? | 06:09 |
| Daisy | The question is how to config languages ? | 06:10 |
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| aeng | Daisy, if we provide ways to delete language, that will solve the issue right? | 06:11 |
| Daisy | Yes. I think so. | 06:11 |
| camunoz | Daisy, we can bypass this issue right now by doing a bit of a db clean. Because adding a language to the Zanata instance is an admin level privilege, there won't be much danger of adding unnecesary locales | 06:12 |
| camunoz | we will aim to fix the lack of a "delete" language function for the next release | 06:12 |
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| aeng | +1 | 06:12 |
| Daisy | camunoz: you mean, delete all languages from database, and then add languages from the UI ? | 06:13 |
| camunoz | no, just delete those repeated languages (e.g. en-Au, en-aU, en-au) | 06:13 |
| Daisy | OK. | 06:13 |
| aeng | Daisy, not deleting all, but modifying data and remove repeated lang | 06:13 |
| Daisy | ok. | 06:13 |
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| Daisy | Thanks. | 06:15 |
| katomo | looks reasonable. | 06:15 |
| Daisy | #3 is a must have. | 06:15 |
| Daisy | I will check with lyz. | 06:15 |
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| Daisy | What's your point of view? katomo. I see for manuals, some translations are not imported , whose progress are less than 2%. | 06:17 |
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| Daisy | For example, Chinese ( Taiwan ) is not imported. The progress is 2%. | 06:17 |
| katomo | hmmm. | 06:17 |
| katomo | I think it's not a problem. | 06:18 |
| katomo | Just need import po files. It's easy. | 06:18 |
| Daisy | ok. | 06:18 |
| Daisy | #4, it's good to have, yet we can tolerant now. | 06:19 |
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| Daisy | #5, it's a must have. | 06:20 |
| katomo | +1 | 06:20 |
| katomo | #5 is very important. | 06:20 |
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| Daisy | #8 now | 06:21 |
| Daisy | camunoz and aeng: are we able to config the length of session time ? | 06:21 |
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| camunoz | Daisy, you might be able at the infrastructure side... but do you want it at the application UI level? | 06:23 |
| katomo | Daisy: is it a problem about session time? | 06:23 |
| camunoz | I mean, having an admin level screen where you can configure it? | 06:23 |
| Daisy | Yes, the session time. | 06:23 |
| aeng | I believe its in jboss config | 06:24 |
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| Daisy | Translators may want a longer session. | 06:24 |
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| Daisy | In Transifex, I remember I seldom meet with session time out. But in Zanata, the session is very short. | 06:24 |
| aeng | Yes. And its known to us too | 06:24 |
| camunoz | ok, so we can talk to lyz or steven to change that (or I can submit a patch) to change it at the server level | 06:25 |
| katomo | ok | 06:25 |
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| Daisy | Is it easy to fix ? camunoz ? | 06:25 |
| camunoz | two possibilites: 1. change it at the config level - easy, I can look into submitting a patch to the puppet config of the server. or 2. at the application level - medium: we need to add a field on screen to fix it. | 06:27 |
| camunoz | either way it should not be too involved | 06:27 |
| camunoz | just that 2. involves a new server release | 06:27 |
| katomo | #1 sounds reasonable. | 06:28 |
| aeng | yup, first option is easier and faster to implement | 06:28 |
| Daisy | Good. | 06:29 |
| Daisy | #9 now. | 06:29 |
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| Daisy | camunoz and aeng: I understand the logic you want all admins to be notified. But it's really a trouble if all admins get the notification emails, especially there are a lot of admins. | 06:30 |
| aeng | Daisy, for request join language, only language coordinator will received the email. | 06:31 |
| Daisy | I want there could be a way to config the "account admins " who are responsible to approve and reject account request, something like that. | 06:31 |
| aeng | language coordinator for that language. If there's non language coordinator assigned, admin will receive it instead | 06:32 |
| Daisy | OK. Then I will set up coordinators firstly. | 06:32 |
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| aeng | but for account activation, only admin will receive the emails | 06:32 |
| Daisy | what is account activation ? | 06:33 |
| aeng | when signup in Zanata. | 06:33 |
| aeng | no really, sorry my mistake | 06:34 |
| Daisy | en...I don't think admins would like to get those lots of email notifications. | 06:34 |
| Daisy | In Transifex, there is a way to approve or reject in UI. | 06:34 |
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| Daisy | No email sent because of team requests. | 06:35 |
| Daisy | BTW, I find it's more difficult to add a people to a team in Zanata than in Transifex. | 06:35 |
| aeng | Daisy, we don't have it yet in Zanata, but notification features is in our roadmap. | 06:35 |
| Daisy | I have to find the team, then find the user, and then add. | 06:35 |
| Daisy | I will mark it as a wishlist. Hope to have it in the future. | 06:36 |
| aeng | yup | 06:36 |
| Daisy | #10 and #11, aeng and camunoz, could you take some time to read it ? | 06:36 |
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| aeng | For #10, its the warning for html/xml tag positions. | 06:39 |
| camunoz | aeng, Daisy, the warning does look invalid from the example.... sounds like a bug | 06:39 |
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| aeng | camunoz, its correct | 06:39 |
| camunoz | ah! never mind.... it is correct | 06:40 |
| aeng | source has emphasis, placeholder-1 then emphasis again | 06:40 |
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| aeng | but translation have it in different order | 06:41 |
| camunoz | this is a tricky one Daisy as in some languages translators might want to keep the same tag order... on others not so much... this is why it's a warning | 06:41 |
| Daisy | OK. camunoz and aeng, please verify #10 and #11. If they are bugs, please fix them in the future. If they are not, please explain to our translators. | 06:41 |
| * camunoz is adding a comment on the ehterpad for #10 | 06:42 | |
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| Daisy | Thank you. As time is limited, I will move to next topics. | 06:42 |
| Daisy | #topic Progress track on two bp: "translation check website" and "translation metric" | 06:42 |
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| Daisy | As to "translation metric", Ily and I have started coding now. Time is very limited, we have to hurry up. | 06:43 |
| Daisy | As to "translation check website", I see katomo have submitted the patch. Thank you, katomo. | 06:44 |
| katomo | np | 06:44 |
| Daisy | OK. Now go to open discussion | 06:44 |
| Daisy | #topic open discussions | 06:45 |
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| clarkb | stevenk and I would like to upgrade zanata when is a good time to do that? | 06:45 |
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| Daisy | clarkb: is it a question to whom ? | 06:46 |
| clarkb | also the meeting time for this meeting on eavesdrop.openstack.org appears to be wrong | 06:46 |
| clarkb | Daisy to the users of the dev server. I dont want to interrupt your work | 06:46 |
| Daisy | clarkb: do you mean upgrade translate-dev ? | 06:46 |
| clarkb | yes | 06:47 |
| Daisy | you don't mean: installing the official translate server ? | 06:47 |
| Daisy | clarkb: if you only mean upgrade translate-dev, you can choose any time. We don't officially use it yet. | 06:48 |
| camunoz | clarkb, please let aeng and myself know about this decision so we can be there to assist | 06:48 |
| epico | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo-specs/tree/specs/liberty/more-gettext-support.rst | 06:48 |
| epico | I will send an announce email for the above spec soon. | 06:48 |
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| Daisy | got it, epico | 06:49 |
| clarkb | camunoz can do, I think stevenk is in a timezone closer to yours than mine so maybe we get him to find a good time :) | 06:49 |
| katomo | hmmm | 06:49 |
| camunoz | clarkb, sounds good. thanks | 06:49 |
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| Daisy | ok. anything else to talk ? | 06:51 |
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| Daisy | if no, I will close the meeting. | 06:52 |
| katomo | none. | 06:52 |
| Daisy | Thank you, katomo. | 06:52 |
| katomo | thanks all | 06:52 |
| aeng | thanks | 06:52 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 06:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 6 06:52:48 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-08-06-06.00.html | 06:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-08-06-06.00.txt | 06:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-08-06-06.00.log.html | 06:52 |
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| oomichi | #startmeeting qa | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 6 09:00:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oomichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 09:00 |
| oomichi | hi who's here today? | 09:01 |
| jordanP | o/ | 09:01 |
| gmann | o/ | 09:01 |
| ylobankov_ | o/ | 09:01 |
| dolpher1 | hi oomichi | 09:01 |
| oomichi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_August_6th_2015_.280900_UTC.29 | 09:01 |
| NithyaG | o/ | 09:01 |
| oomichi | ^^^ today's agenda | 09:01 |
| oomichi | dolpher1: hi :) | 09:02 |
| oomichi | masayukig: around? | 09:02 |
| dmellado | Hi, is it late for adding a topic about cirros and dhcpv6? ;) | 09:02 |
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| xwizard | hi :) | 09:02 |
| oomichi | dmellado: that is fine, please update the wiki | 09:02 |
| dmellado | oomichi: ty! | 09:03 |
| oomichi | ok, let's get started | 09:03 |
| oomichi | #topic Specs Reviews | 09:03 |
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| oomichi | Does anyone have any open specs reviews to discuss today? | 09:03 |
| oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 09:03 |
| andreaf | o/ | 09:03 |
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| masayukig | o/ | 09:04 |
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| andreaf | oomichi: I need to update https://review.openstack.org/173334 - I'll try to do so this week | 09:04 |
| gmann | oomichi: I again forgot to review your microversion spec :( | 09:04 |
| gmann | ll do tomorrow | 09:04 |
| oomichi | anderstj: cool, thanks in advance :) | 09:05 |
| dmellado | oomichi: done | 09:05 |
| oomichi | gmann: yeah, that is what I want to say, thanks | 09:05 |
| oomichi | dmellado: cool | 09:05 |
| oomichi | so there are not so many specs now, is it ok to go to the next topic? | 09:05 |
| oomichi | ok, go to next topic | 09:06 |
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| oomichi | #topic Tempest | 09:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:06 | |
| oomichi | I have one item on this topic for service clients. | 09:07 |
| oomichi | now we are concentrating on compute servie clients as the first step. | 09:07 |
| oomichi | there are 3 topics of patches | 09:07 |
| jordanP | yes, 3 topics | 09:07 |
| oomichi | # https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-consistent-service-method-names-works | 09:07 |
| oomichi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-consistent-service-method-names-works | 09:08 |
| oomichi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-service-client-return-value | 09:08 |
| oomichi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-service-client-unit-tests | 09:08 |
| mkoderer | hello friends, sry I am late | 09:08 |
| oomichi | the first one is almost done | 09:08 |
| oomichi | mkoderer: hey, good to come :) | 09:08 |
| oomichi | the second is managed by gmann | 09:08 |
| oomichi | gmann: can you introduce the current status? | 09:09 |
| gmann | oomichi: yea, I updated on compute clients first | 09:09 |
| gmann | me and jordanP just discussed those in qa channel | 09:09 |
| gmann | actually unit tests and response one conflict with each other | 09:09 |
| gmann | it will be good if we postponed response one and merge UT first | 09:10 |
| oomichi | ok, that is good | 09:10 |
| gmann | after UT patches i can just rebase mine | 09:10 |
| oomichi | so we need to concentrate UT patches now. | 09:10 |
| jordanP | I agree in this order. gmann is more experienced so we can quickly iterate with him after UT patches land | 09:10 |
| gmann | jordanP: yea | 09:10 |
| gmann | oomichi: we can review UT one fast :) | 09:11 |
| oomichi | and the contributer of UT is new now, so I'd like to get more volunters for UT works. | 09:11 |
| jordanP | so I am not super happy with the current UT patches, it's good start | 09:11 |
| jordanP | but they don't assert* a lot | 09:11 |
| jordanP | and how the unicode vs bytes strings are handled is a bit weird | 09:12 |
| jordanP | I left a comment 3 days ago on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204035/ | 09:12 |
| oomichi | jordanP: so does it say that seems redundant? | 09:12 |
| jordanP | my point is, if we want to test proper unicode support, then we should have some "weird" characters in our string | 09:12 |
| jordanP | no I am good with "duplicating tests", one with unicode as input, one with bytes string | 09:13 |
| oomichi | jordanP: ah, on nova side, validation ways are different between APIs. | 09:13 |
| jordanP | but those are unit tests, Nova is "not involved", I mean, http calls are mocked | 09:13 |
| oomichi | jordanP: and my concern is that these tests mislead to users when seeing Tempest tests. | 09:13 |
| jordanP | oomichi, what do you mean ? | 09:14 |
| mkoderer | jordanP: to test unicode fuzzy test would be helpful.. | 09:14 |
| jordanP | mkoderer, that's an option and would be easy to do | 09:14 |
| jordanP | mkoderer, you mean pick "random unicode char" ? | 09:14 |
| oomichi | jordanP: some Nova apis denies not-ascii data as requests. | 09:14 |
| oomichi | jordanP: but if including byte inputs in all tests, users misunderstand that is valid request | 09:15 |
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| mkoderer | jordanP: yeah, if you pick random unicode chars the tests can fail unforeseen | 09:15 |
| oomichi | jordanP: but this my concern is small | 09:15 |
| jordanP | oomichi, you mean't "unicode inputs" | 09:16 |
| jordanP | ? | 09:16 |
| jordanP | as far as I know, nova should always accept byte inputs (~ ascii) | 09:17 |
| jordanP | no, no ascii, nevermind :) | 09:17 |
| oomichi | jordanP: yes, unicode input also is denied on some APIs. | 09:17 |
| jordanP | I think we shouldn't concider what nova supports or not, we are testing tempest clients | 09:18 |
| jordanP | I don"t expect people to read the unit tests in order to understand nova's api | 09:18 |
| oomichi | jordanP: yeah, I feel you are right. and validation ways also will be changed on nova side. | 09:19 |
| oomichi | jordanP: so my concern was a little overkill ;) | 09:19 |
| jordanP | overall i'd like more eyes on the UT patch series, so far it's been only me :) | 09:19 |
| jordanP | the contributor is really reactive | 09:20 |
| oomichi | so is it fine to test randome unicode data on UT? | 09:20 |
| jordanP | i think it is | 09:20 |
| mkoderer | jordanP: this ones: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:service-client-unit-tests,n,z | 09:20 |
| mkoderer | right? | 09:20 |
| jordanP | mkoderer, yes | 09:20 |
| mkoderer | jordanP: k, I will add them to my review list | 09:20 |
| oomichi | ok, that's fine | 09:20 |
| oomichi | mkoderer: cool | 09:21 |
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| jordanP | mkoderer, but be nice with the guy :) he's new and he has already done a good job | 09:21 |
| jordanP | (I like your unicode fuzzing idea) | 09:21 |
| mkoderer | jordanP: haha I am always nice (hopefully) | 09:21 |
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| jordanP | i know :) | 09:21 |
| oomichi | ok, can we move from this service client topic? | 09:22 |
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| oomichi | dmellado: the next is your turn :) | 09:22 |
| dmellado | Sure, first of all sorry for the late notice and I wasn't really sure where to address the topic | 09:22 |
| dmellado | I've been checking this issue in cirros https://bugs.launchpad.net/cirros/+bug/1366326 | 09:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1366326 in CirrOS "ipv6 support" [Medium,Confirmed] | 09:23 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1366326 in cirros "ipv6 support" [Medium,Confirmed] | 09:23 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1366326 in cirros "ipv6 support" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1366326 | 09:23 |
| dmellado | where I tried to add ipv6 stateful tests to the scenario/test_network_v6 | 09:23 |
| oomichi | (oops, a little big earchquak here) | 09:23 |
| dmellado | And I don't know if there's any current idea or status about it | 09:23 |
| dmellado | but the current cirros image doesn't support DHCPv6, is there any known workaround or plan to address this? | 09:23 |
| gmann | oomichi: scary for me :) | 09:23 |
| jordanP | dmellado, so no support at all of dhcp v6 in cirros ? | 09:25 |
| dmellado | Not as far as I know | 09:25 |
| dmellado | I'm not a real ipv6 expert, but I saw only ping6 from ipv6 tools in cirros | 09:25 |
| jordanP | so there's little we can do about Cirros..., not that I know at least | 09:25 |
| dmellado | and was curious about how this was being done so far, only slaac? | 09:25 |
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| jordanP | dmellado, I see the bug report, maybe you could propose "a patch" | 09:26 |
| oomichi | mtreinish recommended to user the other image on the report | 09:26 |
| mkoderer | for Manila scenario test we are using other images than cirros | 09:26 |
| dmellado | mkoderer: but could that be used to pass the gate later? | 09:27 |
| dmellado | mkoderer: which ones, just out of curiosity? | 09:27 |
| mkoderer | dmellado: the are in the gate.. gate-manila-tempest-dsvm-neutron-scenario | 09:27 |
| dmellado | mkoderer: I'll take a look at it, ty! | 09:28 |
| jordanP | dmellado, maybe https://github.com/openstack/manila/blob/master/devstack/plugin.sh#L97 | 09:28 |
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| mkoderer | but fixing cirros is most propably the best way :) | 09:28 |
| jordanP | +1 | 09:28 |
| dmellado | Yeah I do agree on that | 09:28 |
| oomichi | agree with the best way | 09:28 |
| jordanP | dmellado, I think your best option is to spend some time to try to submit a patch to cirros | 09:28 |
| dmellado | I'll try to ping the cirros devs so they would add ipv6-tools | 09:28 |
| dmellado | or submit a patch myself | 09:28 |
| jordanP | at least start a thread on their mailing list | 09:29 |
| dmellado | thanks jordanP and oomichi ;) | 09:29 |
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| dmellado | hopefully my next topic for next time wouldn't be an earthquake too xD | 09:29 |
| oomichi | dmellado: yeah, I hope so. sorry about that :( | 09:30 |
| dmellado | I guess that's was all from my side, so if you want you can move to the next topic, and again thanks! | 09:30 |
| jordanP | np ! | 09:30 |
| oomichi | ok, let's move to the next topic | 09:30 |
| oomichi | #topic Devstack | 09:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Devstack (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:30 | |
| oomichi | does anyone have anything to discuss on devstack this week? | 09:30 |
| oomichi | (sorry, I need to ask another topics of tempest before. I'd like to do it on open discussion) | 09:31 |
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| oomichi | ok, well if there isn't anything else lets move on | 09:32 |
| oomichi | #topic Grenade | 09:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Grenade (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:32 | |
| andreaf | oomichi: do we have anyone from devstack/grenade team in a TZ compatible with this meeting? | 09:32 |
| oomichi | anderstj: I guess no. | 09:33 |
| mkoderer | don't think so | 09:33 |
| masayukig | andreaf: heh, nice question :) | 09:33 |
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| gmann | yea, may be we can skip those topic for this TZ meeting? | 09:33 |
| oomichi | ok, I will ask the teams for this time meeting later. | 09:33 |
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| oomichi | gmann: yeah, I think so. | 09:33 |
| oomichi | ok, let's move to the next topic. | 09:34 |
| oomichi | #topic Critical Reviews | 09:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical Reviews (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:34 | |
| oomichi | does anyone have any reviews they'd like to get more reviewed? | 09:34 |
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| oomichi | I have one:) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169126/ | 09:35 |
| andreaf | oomichi: well it's not critical - but it's the starting point for moving cred providers to tempest lib: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185080/7 | 09:35 |
| oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169126/ | 09:35 |
| jlanoux | yes | 09:35 |
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| oomichi | anderstj: that seems critical for me. | 09:35 |
| oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185080 | 09:36 |
| jlanoux | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208481/ | 09:36 |
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| jlanoux | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207913/ | 09:36 |
| jlanoux | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209144/ | 09:36 |
| andreaf | oomichi: I'll review your spec today or tomorrow | 09:36 |
| gmann | andreaf: that looks good, just 1 comment about updating hacking.rst | 09:36 |
| oomichi | anderstj: thanks :) | 09:36 |
| oomichi | jlanoux: this is penstack-infra/project-config patch. | 09:37 |
| oomichi | oops, typo. | 09:37 |
| oomichi | andreaf: thanks | 09:37 |
| oomichi | jlanoux: can we(qa team) help it? | 09:37 |
| gmann | andreaf: on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185080/ | 09:37 |
| mkoderer | andreaf: and I will review your cred provider patch.. | 09:37 |
| jlanoux | oomichi: I think some of the QA guys have infra privileges and in anyway if we can push that | 09:38 |
| andreaf | gmann: thanks, I'll fix that | 09:38 |
| gmann | andreaf: Thanks | 09:38 |
| oomichi | jlanoux: ah, the second is tempest patch. | 09:38 |
| jlanoux | oomichi: and the third one as well | 09:38 |
| andreaf | jlanoux, oomichi: I think only sdague from QA is in project-config-core | 09:38 |
| oomichi | jlanoux: yeah, ok. I got it. | 09:39 |
| mkoderer | jlanoux: what is the current state of SSH validation in general? | 09:39 |
| gmann | jlanoux: i will review tempest ssh one tomorrow | 09:39 |
| jlanoux | mkoderer: good - only scenario tests are left for migration - then we can improve | 09:39 |
| jlanoux | gmann: thanks | 09:39 |
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| mkoderer | jlanoux: ok cool | 09:40 |
| jordanP | another topic: have we ever concidered third party CI for tempest. We broke a 3rd party ci a few days ago, the CI tests SRIOV feature in nova. If that CI commented we would have known something was wrong. (the revert of the bad patch is here btw: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209039/ ) | 09:40 |
| oomichi | jordanP: thanks for pointing it out. will review it alter this | 09:41 |
| mkoderer | jordanP: if project mirgate to templest plugin concept we could have even more coupling with 3rd ci's | 09:42 |
| andreaf | jordanP: there are a lot of third part CI tests - I think it's up to the maintainers of third party CI system to decide which patches they want to monitor and test | 09:42 |
| mkoderer | I am fine with 3rd CI in tempest... if they are maintained in a good manner | 09:42 |
| jordanP | yeah but are we open to it ? | 09:42 |
| andreaf | I mean a lof of third party CI systems | 09:42 |
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| jordanP | no 3rd party CI comment on tempest patchs | 09:43 |
| dmellado | those 3rd party are now and then offline, would that be ok? | 09:43 |
| andreaf | jordanP: we use to have some 3rd party CI systems voting against tempest - but I don't see them anymore | 09:44 |
| jordanP | the problem is that we have tempest code that is never run in the Gate | 09:44 |
| jordanP | like sr-iov related tests... | 09:44 |
| mkoderer | andreaf: there were mostly flaky... | 09:44 |
| andreaf | jordanP: I'm not opposed to them voting on tempest - but again it's something that the 3rd party system maintainers should decide I think | 09:44 |
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| jordanP | not voting, but maybe commenting | 09:44 |
| mkoderer | jordanP: for such test we definitly need 3rd party CI in tempest | 09:45 |
| jordanP | which we have, but they are silent, unless we broke them and we hear from them then :) | 09:45 |
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| oomichi | jordanP: how to know this problem? | 09:46 |
| gmann | but only issue will be their maintenance if they are voting | 09:46 |
| oomichi | jordanP: did you receive any comment from them? | 09:47 |
| jordanP | oomichi, yes here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200819/ after the patch was merged | 09:47 |
| oomichi | jordanP: the reverting patch doesn't contain a bug report. so I'd like to know how to work them together | 09:47 |
| jordanP | gmann, they should not vote, but leave a comment | 09:47 |
| oomichi | jordanP: ah, I see. | 09:48 |
| mkoderer | I can talk to the NFV guys and asking about they opinion on that | 09:48 |
| jordanP | oomichi, I can't fill a bug report for a system I don"t own or even run | 09:48 |
| mkoderer | I will bring that up in the next telcowg meeting | 09:48 |
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| mkoderer | since SRV-IO is mostly driven by the telco vendors | 09:49 |
| jordanP | I am fine with how things are now, but there"s room for improvement | 09:49 |
| jordanP | mkoderer, yep, that would be good | 09:50 |
| jordanP | mellanox seems to have a working CI | 09:50 |
| oomichi | jordanP: yeah, I agree | 09:50 |
| oomichi | we will face this kind of problem easily in the future | 09:50 |
| oomichi | again | 09:50 |
| jordanP | we really shouldn"t accept any new code that is not exercised in the Gate or in commenting/voting 3rd party ci | 09:51 |
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| mkoderer | jordanP: +1 | 09:52 |
| gmann | jordanP: totally agree | 09:52 |
| oomichi | jordanP: yeah, non-opearated tests are trash | 09:53 |
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| mkoderer | can I give a short status to tempest plugins? | 09:53 |
| oomichi | mkoderer: please :) | 09:53 |
| mkoderer | so I proted all tests from manila to the interface | 09:54 |
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| mkoderer | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201955/ | 09:54 |
| mkoderer | it need some little nits and then it's ready to merge | 09:54 |
| mkoderer | I am currently a bit uncertain about the still exiting dependency of the tests with tempest itseld | 09:54 |
| mkoderer | s/itseld/itself/ | 09:54 |
| mkoderer | it's currently using tempest.clients, tempest.config, tempest.test | 09:55 |
| mkoderer | so if tempest changes something it could break the tests in manila | 09:56 |
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| jordanP | ( mkoderer I see you've met Jay.Shen a.k.a the english teacher... man last time I almost lost my temper...) | 09:56 |
| gmann | mkoderer: i think we have plan to move base tests class, clients in lib | 09:56 |
| mkoderer | jordanP: haha :) | 09:56 |
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| mkoderer | gmann: yeah.. so if everyting is ready in tempest-lib the dependency should be gone | 09:57 |
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| jordanP | gmann, but it's now going to happen real soon | 09:57 |
| gmann | mkoderer: yea | 09:57 |
| gmann | jordanP: not soon :) | 09:57 |
| jordanP | *yeah not soon ! | 09:58 |
| jordanP | what a typo :) | 09:58 |
| oomichi | I hope soon | 09:58 |
| mkoderer | :) | 09:58 |
| oomichi | mkoderer: so tempest-lib work is blocking your manila work now ? | 09:58 |
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| mkoderer | oomichi: not blocking but we have to be careful about it | 09:59 |
| jordanP | it's tricky... | 10:00 |
| oomichi | mkoderer: ok, I see the situation | 10:00 |
| jordanP | (time is over...) | 10:00 |
| oomichi | oops, thanks all | 10:00 |
| mkoderer | oomichi: thx for hosting the meeting! | 10:00 |
| gmann | Thanks | 10:00 |
| oomichi | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
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| jordanP | thanks all | 10:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 6 10:00:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-08-06-09.00.html | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-08-06-09.00.txt | 10:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-08-06-09.00.log.html | 10:00 |
| oomichi | thanks all | 10:00 |
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| dmellado | thanks all ;) | 10:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting nova | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 6 14:01:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:01 |
| ndipanov | hello | 14:01 |
| alaski | o/ | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | hello everyone | 14:01 |
| rgerganov | hi | 14:01 |
| alex_xu | \o | 14:01 |
| markus_z | o/ | 14:01 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:01 |
| raildo | hi | 14:01 |
| claudiub | o/ | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | O/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | o/ | 14:01 |
| rlrossit | o/ | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 14:01 |
| ctrath | \o | 14:01 |
| lxsli | o/ | 14:01 |
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| andreykurilin | o/ | 14:01 |
| hshiina | hi | 14:01 |
| meghal | hello | 14:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 14:02 |
| n0ano | o/ | 14:02 |
| atuvenie | o/ | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Release Status | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release Status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:02 | |
| johnthetubaguy | so we have just passed this: non-priority feature freeze | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Liberty_Release_Schedule#Non-priority_Feature_Freeze | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-non-priority-feature-proposal-freeze | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | we reviewed the exception requests | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | actually had quite a few blueprints merged over the last week, which was good to see | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | but now its time to focus on bug fixes | 14:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | and completing the priority efforts | 14:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/071487.html | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways any questions on all that? | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:05 | |
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| garyk | is there any chance of getting FFE's or should we just focus on bugs? | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | markus_z helped sort out a bug triage day | 14:05 |
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| markus_z | One critical bug is in progress: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1481220 | 14:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1481220 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Cannot boot from volume-backed instance snapshot" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Feodor Tersin (ftersin) | 14:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1481220 in nova "Cannot boot from volume-backed instance snapshot" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481220 | 14:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1481220 in nova "Cannot boot from volume-backed instance snapshot" [Critical,In progress] | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | garyk: there were announced on the ML, see previous link | 14:05 |
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| garyk | ok | 14:06 |
| markus_z | Right, yesterday was "bug triage day": http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/071338.html | 14:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | markus_z: are we lined up for the next bug day? | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | August 12: bug review day | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | does that work for people? | 14:07 |
| markus_z | I'm not quite sure yet, sorry. Will make a query later and post ist to the ML | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | markus_z: thats cool, just wanting to advertise here | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #info August 12: bug review day | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info feature freeze exception results can be seen here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-non-priority-feature-freeze | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | markus_z: cool, any more on bugs? | 14:08 |
| markus_z | nope, the rest as usual | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem anything about the gate we need to talk about? | 14:09 |
| mriedem | yeah | 14:09 |
| mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1482230 | 14:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1482230 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "LibvirtConnTestCase.test_clean_shutdown_first_time causes subunit segfault" [Undecided,New] | 14:09 |
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| mriedem | is new | 14:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1482230 in nova "LibvirtConnTestCase.test_clean_shutdown_first_time causes subunit segfault" [Undecided,New] | 14:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1482230 in nova "LibvirtConnTestCase.test_clean_shutdown_first_time causes subunit segfault" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482230 | 14:09 |
| mriedem | 3 hits in check and gate so far, but it's a segfault in libvirt driver tests and i don't see any obvious related changes in the last 24 hours | 14:09 |
| edleafe | :30 | 14:09 |
| edleafe | doh! | 14:10 |
| mriedem | so fyi | 14:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, nasty | 14:10 |
| mriedem | that's all i know right now | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: stable branch, anything there worth mentioning? | 14:10 |
| mriedem | not for nova | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Regular reminders | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Regular reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:11 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | so this is important | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | we are trying to scale out our review efforts | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | part of that is encourage more folks to review things | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | but we are also trying this focus effort using this etherpad: | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets keep pushing on this | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | at the midcycle we spoke about restarting the trivial patch push also | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | that is all in the same etherpad | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-midcycle | 14:13 |
| dansmith | trivial bug fix you mean | 14:13 |
| dansmith | right? :) | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: oops, yes | 14:13 |
| * johnthetubaguy mutters something about his bad typing skills | 14:13 | |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways above is the update from the midcycle | 14:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | at lot of the time was revisit the actions from the summit: | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-liberty-summit-action-items | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, lets move on | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:14 | |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: I think you are on this review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202605/ | 14:15 |
| alaski | ahh, yes | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/inject-nmi | 14:15 |
| hshiina | it is mine | 14:15 |
| dansmith | that's not stuck | 14:15 |
| alaski | I'm not sure it's "stuck", but I did want to discuss it here | 14:15 |
| alaski | I added a topic on this to open discussion | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, no worries, now is cool | 14:16 |
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| dansmith | hshiina: the consensus is use cast() and make sure we have a way to tell if it was not send via the instance actions | 14:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oh, so this is an RPC call, which is surprising to me, but I haven't read about the context | 14:16 |
| alaski | at this point I'm against API requests going down to a virt driver before responding | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | me too, really | 14:17 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: it's a call because I suggested it be a call initially | 14:17 |
| alaski | it came up on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195088/ as well | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have instance actions to report any failures I guess? | 14:17 |
| dansmith | which was a misguided attempt to not punch our users in the face when they're trying to send an NMI to a stuck instance and we just drop it because the virt driver doesn't support it | 14:17 |
| dansmith | but instance actions would be much better | 14:17 |
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| dansmith | as long as we handle the RPC pin case, and the virt-unsupported case | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: alaski: maybe we should write this down somewhere I guess? | 14:18 |
| dansmith | alaski already did | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yeah, thats cool | 14:18 |
| dansmith | in the review, which I thought was clear | 14:18 |
| hshiina | sure, | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, thats cool, I was meaning in general, but thats probably silly | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | hshiina: do you feel unblocked now? | 14:18 |
| alaski | I can update the devref if you like | 14:19 |
| hshiina | let me confirm i shoud use cast() | 14:19 |
| dansmith | hshiina: yes | 14:19 |
| alaski | hshiina: yes | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, and handle errors using instance actions | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 14:19 |
| hshiina | thanks, i feel unlocked | 14:19 |
| hshiina | i will revise my patches | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | hshiina: awesome, thanks | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 14:19 |
| hshiina | thank you for you time | 14:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link cinder spec needs review for nova impact: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149894/ | 14:20 |
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| mriedem | that was mine | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | there are some review requests | 14:21 |
| mriedem | nova people should take a gander at that cinder spec, | 14:21 |
| mriedem | cinder wants to get to active/active HA support and part of that is removing locks in the volume manager, | 14:21 |
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| mriedem | however it sounds like that breaks some things in their API, so they want to change the API and start returning errors for requests that used to be OK | 14:21 |
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| mriedem | for polling status or something | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, its for active/active, I guess thats why the distributed lock manager discussion also came up | 14:22 |
| mriedem | i've raised up that that's a bad idea... | 14:22 |
| mriedem | yes | 14:22 |
| mriedem | the ML threads are all about this | 14:22 |
| mriedem | trying to steer them down the path of microversions | 14:22 |
| mriedem | and mimic the old lock behavior in the v1/v2 cinder api | 14:22 |
| mriedem | so if you want HA with cinder you opt in to v2.1 | 14:22 |
| mriedem | if that becomes a thing | 14:22 |
| mriedem | anyway, it'd be good if it's more than just me saying breaking the API contract is bad | 14:23 |
| mriedem | FIN | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, breaking the API contract is bad | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds good | 14:23 |
| mriedem | oh yeah, | 14:23 |
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| mriedem | they are talking about a cross project design summit session | 14:24 |
| mriedem | for this and some other stuff | 14:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | you mean a nova + cinder session? | 14:24 |
| mriedem | yes | 14:24 |
| scottda | mriedem: I think ask of cinder agrees it Is bad. | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I think that usually means finding a spot in our track, rather than the cross project one | 14:24 |
| scottda | Ask/all | 14:24 |
| mriedem | scottda: ok, i was hearing some 'well it's broken so let's just fix the current api, make people move' | 14:25 |
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| mriedem | anyway | 14:25 |
| scottda | No, I don't think we're going there... | 14:25 |
| mriedem | i'd push to have specs up before summit so it's productive | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: +1 | 14:25 |
| mriedem | there was some other thing about callbacks for extended volumes | 14:25 |
| scottda | Yes.I'm signed up for the specs. | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 14:25 |
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| mriedem | scottda: was extended volumes going to come up i nthe cinder meetup? | 14:25 |
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| mriedem | we can take this elsewhere | 14:26 |
| scottda | No, but we can today or tomorrow. | 14:26 |
| scottda | Ok | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | so there are some review requests in the agenda, feel free to see those in there | 14:26 |
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| abhishekk | hi | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | abhishekk: you are linking an ML thread you want a response to, what is the question there? | 14:26 |
| abhishekk | As per discussion, I have moved this spec in the backlog. | 14:26 |
| abhishekk | Requesting alaski for having a final look as I have implemented his suggestions. | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | abhishekk: the patch appears to be abandoned, the snapshot one | 14:27 |
| abhishekk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206160/ ^^ | 14:27 |
| abhishekk | yes, that is because of issue in nova | 14:27 |
| abhishekk | Eric Harney has implemented it in cinder, but currently marked his patches as WIP due to issue in nova, | 14:27 |
| abhishekk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149037/ | 14:27 |
| abhishekk | This nova changes solves the problem, but as per comment on the patch it's not right way to address this issue. | 14:27 |
| alaski | abhishekk: I can take a look, but this should be targetted to M right? | 14:27 |
| abhishekk | alaski: yes | 14:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | abhishekk: I think you need to talk to the patch author about their patch, and if they plan on working on it again, about this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149037/ | 14:28 |
| abhishekk | I guess nikola was about to working for the nova issue | 14:28 |
| alaski | abhishekk: okay, you mentioned the backlog, which isn't where it should go now | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, OK | 14:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I would reach out to ndipanov about the details I guess | 14:29 |
| jordanP | johnthetubaguy, the NFS driver, and glusterfs and quobytes drivers are effected by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192736/ | 14:29 |
| abhishekk | I had discussion with Eric for this and he said due to nova issue its not good to merge it in cinder | 14:29 |
| dguryanov | Also vzstorage driver is affected | 14:29 |
| jordanP | johnthetubaguy, the patch closes 2 bug at nova's side. I've been rebasing it for a couple of weeks | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | jordanP: those bugs are both low priority, is that correct? | 14:30 |
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| jordanP | johnthetubaguy, one is low the other "no priority" | 14:30 |
| jordanP | "undecided" | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | jordanP: I guess I mean, what is the correct priority for those, anyways, we can take that offline | 14:31 |
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| jordanP | okay, but I'd love this have this merged :) | 14:32 |
| mriedem | christ, _volume_snapshot_delete is 250 LOC | 14:32 |
| jordanP | mriedem, yeah... :) | 14:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oh wow, its time for some refactoring in there... | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, I think we are about done | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more for any more? | 14:33 |
| meghal | johnthetubaguy alaski needed some input on dynamic quota resources spec targeted for M , it helps achieve quota by flavor, AZ or a combination https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206160/ | 14:33 |
| meghal | am working on an implementation at my company and wanted to be sure that I am as close to upstream direction…lxsli, melwitt and harlowja have been providing great inputs…but some initial feedback from you all would be greatly appreciated | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | meghal: seems like there are comments form alexis that need addressing in there | 14:34 |
| alaski | meghal: okay, I will take a look. but it won't be immediately | 14:34 |
| meghal | johnthetubaguy: yes…working on those | 14:34 |
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| ndipanov | abhishekk, ah yeah | 14:34 |
| ndipanov | that thing | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | meghal: I am not reviewing specs much right now, focusing on code reviews, while we try push hard on getting more bugs merged | 14:34 |
| meghal | alaski: sure…its not time critical…but just some feedback on the direction and the use cases it is addressing | 14:34 |
| ndipanov | let's talk it through in -nova | 14:34 |
| abhishekk | ndipanov: ok | 14:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, so I feel like we are done now? | 14:35 |
| meghal | johnthetubaguy: sure…I understand | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more for any more? | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | meghal: I hope to get there eventually, just not right now I am afraid | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK... thanks all | 14:35 |
| abhishekk | alaski: thank you | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 14:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 6 14:35:44 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-08-06-14.01.html | 14:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-08-06-14.01.txt | 14:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-08-06-14.01.log.html | 14:35 |
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| gordc | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 6 15:01:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:01 |
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| ildikov | o/ | 15:01 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:01 |
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| pradk | o/ | 15:01 |
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| nadya | o/ | 15:01 |
| llu-laptop | we can start meeting without ending the previous one? | 15:01 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: i don't know why it says thirdparty | 15:02 |
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| gordc | it's said that for a while now... | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | o/ | 15:02 |
| gordc | unless i actually did steal someone's meeting this time... | 15:02 |
| pradk | i see ceilo in the topic | 15:03 |
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| gordc | pradk: yeah, but before i started it said. third party... *shrugs* | 15:03 |
| gordc | no one seems to be yelling. so let's start. | 15:03 |
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| gordc | #topic recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilometer/RoadMap | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilometer/RoadMap (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:04 | |
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| * cdent waves shyly | 15:04 | |
| gordc | right now i think the major item we're tracking still is the alarm split and getting it all integrated | 15:04 |
| gordc | sileht: i think you've done some of that? | 15:05 |
| sileht | I working on the gate job | 15:05 |
| sileht | but I block because aodh auth is broken :( | 15:05 |
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| gordc | is this the keystonemiddlware stuff you mentioned? | 15:05 |
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| sileht | yes | 15:05 |
| ildikov | gordc: will the packaging be done for Aodh too during this cycle? | 15:06 |
| nadya | sileht: are you working on functional job, right? I mean moving tests to corresponding folder? | 15:06 |
| gordc | argh. ok. well it's good we caught it now and not 2 weeks from now i gues. | 15:06 |
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| sileht | nadya, no I work on an 'integration' test ceilo+heat+aodh+gnocchi together | 15:06 |
| gordc | ildikov: probably need to ask prad... i'm assuming it's done after rc ... and then puppet stuff is done the next cycle | 15:06 |
| nadya | sileht: aha, much more interesting thing :) | 15:07 |
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| gordc | sileht: is the problem specific to aodh+gnocchi? or does it not matter what backend we use | 15:07 |
| sileht | gordc, everything is broken :) | 15:08 |
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| gordc | lol well i guess that's easier to fix? maybe? | 15:08 |
| sileht | gordc, it's no fun otherwise ;) | 15:08 |
| gordc | hahah | 15:08 |
| gordc | i don't think you understand what fun means. | 15:08 |
| sileht | gordc, no really, but we have a workaround | 15:08 |
| gordc | sileht: that's good to hear | 15:09 |
| sileht | gordc, I have will bring the general issue to the ML | 15:09 |
| pradk | ildikov, i have something packaged for aodh based on the git, ideally we want it on pypi so its more official | 15:09 |
| sileht | have^W | 15:09 |
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| ildikov | gordc: pradk: ok, cool, tnx for the update | 15:09 |
| pradk | ildikov, its here for now https://pkilambi.fedorapeople.org/openstack-aodh/ | 15:09 |
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| gordc | cool cool. seems like we ahve aodh *relatively* under control | 15:09 |
| cdent | that seems a fair statement | 15:09 |
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| ildikov | pradk: cool, tnx | 15:10 |
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| gordc | if we're still blocked next week, let me know and i can maybe escalate it. | 15:10 |
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| gordc | any other critical items we need to discuss in regards to Liberty? | 15:11 |
| gordc | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/liberty | 15:11 |
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| pradk | declarative meters is blocked by devstack patch.. so if anyone can pull string and get that in we can merge :) | 15:11 |
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| pradk | gordc you poked qa you said right? | 15:11 |
| gordc | someone with good rapport with qa? | 15:12 |
| nadya | pradk: give me a link please | 15:12 |
| pradk | nadya, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207949/ | 15:12 |
| pradk | there are 3 patches depending on this in ceilo | 15:12 |
| pradk | its a clean up patch due to change in approach | 15:13 |
| gordc | pradk: i didn't ask. | 15:13 |
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| nadya | pradk: I'll ping the guy who will help us | 15:13 |
| pradk | ty nadya ! | 15:13 |
| gordc | nadya: thanks! | 15:13 |
| * cdent will jiggle some people too | 15:13 | |
| pradk | cool | 15:13 |
| gordc | nadya: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/ceilometer-functional-tests with functional split merge is this blueprint complete? | 15:13 |
| gordc | i don't know the exact scope of the bp | 15:14 |
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| nadya | gordc: Ilya is on vacation... In commit message in merge patch he stated that it's a first patch | 15:14 |
| gordc | it mentions sql... but there's also another bp that specifically says sql | 15:14 |
| gordc | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/sql-unit-tests-on-real-backend | 15:15 |
| gordc | nadya: ok. i'll just leave it as is for now. feel free to mark complete if it is. | 15:15 |
| nadya | Next step - separate classes and functions from moved files to right | 15:15 |
| nadya | test types. | 15:15 |
| nadya | gordc: ok | 15:16 |
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| gordc | k. anyone else have something to discuss regarding liberty? | 15:16 |
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| cdent | there's some progress on devstack and grenade plugins: this is bout ready: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196441/ | 15:17 |
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| cdent | It is basically correct now and it is possible to merge it before turning it on in any real sense | 15:18 |
| gordc | cdent: we should just look at grenade part of experimental? | 15:18 |
| cdent | yes, sadly | 15:18 |
| gordc | k | 15:18 |
| cdent | as far as I can tell most of those experimental jobs never work | 15:18 |
| * gordc ignores the red | 15:18 | |
| cdent | having it merged will make the next steps (on the grenad, devstack and infra sides) a little easier to move forward | 15:18 |
| cdent | ideally we'd get all this done before liberty is done as that will make grenade related things cleaner | 15:19 |
| gordc | cool. i'll take a look after meeting | 15:19 |
| cdent | ossum, thanks | 15:19 |
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| gordc | #action review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196441/ | 15:20 |
| gordc | any other stuff? | 15:20 |
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| gordc | #topic recurring: ceilometerclient release? | 15:21 |
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| gordc | i'm going to ask for a release beginning of next week | 15:21 |
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| gordc | we haven't had a release in a while and we merged some keystonev3 stuff... and aodh redirect so i think it'd be good to test it out. | 15:22 |
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| gordc | if someone needs something in next release let me know so i can hold off for abit. | 15:22 |
| cdent | release early and often | 15:23 |
| gordc | they took my release button away. | 15:23 |
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| gordc | #topic recurring: Gnocchi status | 15:23 |
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| cdent | influxdb in the house! | 15:24 |
| cdent | (almost) | 15:24 |
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| nadya | (as the last 2 months...) | 15:24 |
| gordc | lol way to kill the hype | 15:24 |
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| nadya | actually I saw +1 fom Jenkins, but jd__ cannot stop and continue send patches | 15:25 |
| gordc | cdent: is it just logistics issue? i noticed the tests passed | 15:25 |
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| gordc | locally... i didn't try it with devstack | 15:25 |
| cdent | gordc: It can't devstack yet, but you can make it happen by hand | 15:26 |
| cdent | I'm not sure if jd__ and I are done squabling about the behavior of metricd or not | 15:26 |
| cdent | I think that's the only hangup | 15:26 |
| gordc | cool cool. not a blocker (from what i understand)... at least main functionality is there. | 15:27 |
| gordc | thanks for the effort everyone | 15:27 |
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| gordc | good? good. | 15:29 |
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| gordc | #topic Open discussion | 15:29 |
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| eglynn | I added a late agenda item ... | 15:29 |
| eglynn | "clarify aodh/ceilo-alarming divergence/consistency deprecation/deletion (eglynn)" | 15:30 |
| eglynn | in relation to https://review.openstack.org/180908 | 15:30 |
| gordc | darn. added afgter my refresh | 15:30 |
| eglynn | (versionedobjects adoption in ceilo) | 15:30 |
| gordc | #topic clarify aodh/ceilo-alarming divergence/consistency deprecation/deletion (eglynn) | 15:30 |
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| eglynn | gordc: my bad, very late addition just as the meeting started | 15:30 |
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| eglynn | given the discussion on gerrit, seems it would be useful to explicitly state the policy here about aodh/ceilo-alarming consistency | 15:31 |
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| eglynn | do we require that all in-flight non-bugfix patches for ceilo-alarming are abandoned and re-proposed against aodh? | 15:31 |
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| gordc | eglynn: at the micycle we decided it wasn't worth maintaining both aodh and ceilometer-alarm since it was too much of a hassle | 15:32 |
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| eglynn | ok, so are we effectively guaranteeing the two codebases will diverge to extent that aodh -> ceilo-alarming:stable/liberty backports are harder than they need to be during mitaka? | 15:32 |
| gordc | eglynn: i guess the question is how much maintenance of stable/liberty is required. | 15:33 |
| gordc | aodh is being released independantly. | 15:33 |
| gordc | that should make it so any one should be able to switch to it easier. | 15:34 |
| eglynn | yeah ... I thought the whole reason for not deleting ceilo-alarming now was that we expected some distros to continue using ceilo-alarming for their liberty release? | 15:34 |
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| eglynn | but if we don't intend to maintain ceilo-alarming:stable/liberty, would it be a kindness to force those distros onto aodh? | 15:35 |
| gordc | it's was partly a fallback... and partly because jasonamyers gave insight from ops pov that a random break with no warning would not be good. | 15:35 |
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| eglynn | OK, it that's the decision ... seems we should state an explicit policy | 15:36 |
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| eglynn | 1. abandon all in-flight non-bugfix patches for ceilo-alarming | 15:36 |
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| * gordc looks back to midcycle notes. | 15:36 | |
| eglynn | 2. state that ceilo-alarming:stable/liberty will not be maintained | 15:37 |
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| gordc | sounds right. that was the decision we came to at midcycle... | 15:38 |
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| gordc | if there's issues now that we have it in practice i'm cool with revising | 15:38 |
| cdent | I'm confused about point number 2: what's the issue with direct bug fixes to stable/liberty? | 15:39 |
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| gordc | cdent: they won't be straight backports. | 15:39 |
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| cdent | yes, so what? | 15:40 |
| cdent | aodh is a different project | 15:40 |
| eglynn | gordc: well TBH it seems like we're not doing the distros any favors by keeping ceilo-alarming until the liberty release, but not doing any stable/liberty maintainence on it afterwards | 15:40 |
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| eglynn | i.e. would it be better (long-term) for those distros if we forced them over to aodh before liberty? | 15:41 |
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| gordc | cdent: the same reason we chose to stop maintaining current code? it was too hard to keep both in sync. | 15:41 |
| ildikov | eglynn: can we actually force them? | 15:41 |
| cdent | we're not talking about keeping it in sync | 15:41 |
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| cdent | we're talking about accept bug fixes to stable/liberty if people have them | 15:41 |
| eglynn | ildikov: well by deleting the old/duplicated code | 15:41 |
| ildikov | eglynn: I'm not sure which option is more user firendly... :( | 15:41 |
| eglynn | (or at least strongly discourage them from staying with the old code that we're not planning to maintain) | 15:42 |
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| gordc | tbh, i'm not sure what it looks like from distro pov. | 15:42 |
| ildikov | eglynn: I would go for the strongly discourage version TBH | 15:42 |
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| gordc | the issue wasn't raise at midcycle when asked but if it's an issue, then i guess we need to think about it | 15:43 |
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| eglynn | gordc: maybe I've read too much into "i guess the question is how much maintenance of stable/liberty is required" | 15:43 |
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| pradk | from distro pov dont we have the control in forcing people to install aodh as being obsoleting ceilo-alarm? | 15:43 |
| cdent | jason told me earlier today that he would not be able to attend today because of an internal meeting that rose up unexpected but his stance was something along the lines of "we need to be more concerned about the end users here, not the distros" | 15:43 |
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| * eglynn interpreted that as meaning we wouldn't be backporting bugfixes from aodh to ceilo-alarming:stable/liberty | 15:44 | |
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| eglynn | gordc: ... but maybe you meant more like: "it depends on how many/severe bugs show up after liberty"? | 15:45 |
| gordc | pradk: from distro pov, how would it look like if aodh and ceilo-alarm both existed? | 15:45 |
| pradk | gordc, they cant as they would conflict.. Aodh obsoletes ceilo-alarm | 15:45 |
| gordc | eglynn: closer to that. the general idea was a fast-tracked deprecation of ceilo-alarm | 15:45 |
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| pradk | if someone upgrades from kilo -> Liberty ceilo-alarm would be removed and replaced by Aodh | 15:46 |
| ildikov | but from distro perspective I guess it also matters that when we will be able to release Aodh | 15:46 |
| gordc | pradk: so it's either one or the other? | 15:46 |
| pradk | gordc, correct | 15:46 |
| gordc | i guess that means if Aodh works, ceilo-alarm is dead. | 15:47 |
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| eglynn | gordc: agreed | 15:47 |
| pradk | exactly, so regardless of if we maintain both alarm and aodh or not.. from distro pov, its Aodh if we upgarde as we replace ceilo-alarm | 15:47 |
| gordc | the big with keeping ceilo-alarms around was in case we didn't get aodh working in time for liberty. | 15:47 |
| eglynn | ... dead but continueing to exist in a zombie state? ;) | 15:47 |
| ildikov | gordc: so currently we have the old code as a "backup" at least this was my understanding | 15:47 |
| gordc | ildikov: right | 15:48 |
| ildikov | gordc: ok | 15:48 |
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| eglynn | gordc: so if we do get Aodh working to everyone's satisfaction *before* liberty? | 15:48 |
| eglynn | (I asked a similar question on gerrit) | 15:48 |
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| gordc | eglynn: the idea was to kill ceilo-alarm as long as aodh works | 15:49 |
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| cdent | one of the caveats there was that who gets to say it works? and one of the answers was "we'll only know that after it is released" | 15:50 |
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| gordc | seeing as it doesn't mean anything to exists when aodh exists, we can change our plan from "remove ceilo-alarms in M*" -> "remove ceilo-alarms when Aodh ready" | 15:50 |
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| ildikov | has anyone covered the docco part already? (I mean install, config and admin guides) | 15:50 |
| eglynn | cdent, gordc: so "works" == fully operational in the gate etc.? | 15:51 |
| gordc | ildikov: the integration isn't complete yet so we can't actually docco the full process. | 15:51 |
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| pradk | iirc we were going to remove ceilo-alarm soon after liberty is cut ? | 15:51 |
| ildikov | gordc: I know, but the docco will need to be updated soon after we consider this activity done | 15:51 |
| gordc | cdent: i would guess the distro would decide too as they'll package using aodh... and will ignore ceilo-alarm (whether it exists or not) | 15:51 |
| gordc | ildikov: yep. | 15:52 |
| gordc | ildikov: we have a resource. | 15:52 |
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| gordc | or you can offer one. | 15:52 |
| pradk | I'm working on fedora/rht packaging, not sure if anyone is looking at ubuntu side of things.. if not they need a fallback in liberty? | 15:52 |
| eglynn | cdent: I agree that a sensible distro packager would do that, especially if there's a question mark around ceilo-alarming:stable/liberty maintanence | 15:53 |
| ildikov | gordc: I can offer only myself :) | 15:53 |
| gordc | ildikov: if you have time, feel free to take it. | 15:53 |
| gordc | pradk: i'll check. it'd make sense that both distros did the same | 15:54 |
| ildikov | gordc: ok, I will raise a flag, if I don't have the bandwidth or not enough, when we arrive to this point | 15:54 |
| gordc | pradk: you'll probably want to sync with zigo | 15:55 |
| pradk | gordc, sure, i'll check with him | 15:55 |
| gordc | pradk: when you package for fedora, that essentially means ceilo-alarm is dead. | 15:55 |
| gordc | right? | 15:56 |
| pradk | gordc, pretty much, if they update ceilp-alarm it will be replaces.. unless they blacklist it | 15:56 |
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| gordc | they would only be able to use celio-alarm if they compiled it themselves. | 15:56 |
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| gordc | so i don't want to maintain ceilo-alarms any longer than we need to... is there any issues from user pov if we remove it asap (even if that means in liberty)? | 15:58 |
| gordc | from packaging, it apparently doens't matter. | 15:58 |
| gordc | what other ways are there? | 15:58 |
| eglynn | I would prefer removing if it's not going to be kept consistent or maintained | 15:58 |
| pradk | gordc, yea i think majority are still on kilo or older and by the time puppetry ansible etc are in place and ready to consume Aodh should be in a stable state | 15:59 |
| pradk | s/are still/would be still/ | 15:59 |
| gordc | we out of time... let's move over to openstack-ceilometer to discuss | 15:59 |
| eglynn | but if we do keep for liberty, we would need some sort of explicit statement on maintenance | 15:59 |
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| gordc | eglynn: will answer in os-ceilometer | 16:00 |
| gordc | thanks folks | 16:00 |
| gordc | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| eglynn | gordc: cool, thanks! | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 6 16:00:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-08-06-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-08-06-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-08-06-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| sridhar_ram | anyone here for Tacker ? | 16:01 |
| vishwanathj | hi | 16:01 |
| sripriya | o/ | 16:01 |
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| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: sripriya: hi there! | 16:01 |
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| sridhar_ram | lets in a min | 16:02 |
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| vishwanathj | ok | 16:02 |
| natarajk | hi | 16:03 |
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| Rajkumar_ | Hello Everyone | 16:03 |
| sridhar_ram | natarajk: hi | 16:03 |
| sridhar_ram | alright, lets get started.. | 16:03 |
| sridhar_ram | Rajkumar_: hi | 16:03 |
| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 16:03 |
| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 6 16:03:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 16:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | Agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Aug_6.2C_2015 | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram | Quick, yet another reminder on Tacker Midcycle... | 16:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | scheduled for Aug 20 - 21st #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tacker/LibertyMidcycle | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram | 16:04 | |
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| sridhar_ram | Please RSVP / update the etherpad | 16:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | Another quick update on our top-level wiki ...#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tacker | 16:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | it now has the updated Mission & Scope !! | 16:06 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: nice! | 16:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | both the text and the overview diagram now has the new scope! | 16:06 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: thanks | 16:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | If anyone here as further question on the new clarified mission of this project .. please bring it up | 16:07 |
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| sridhar_ram | Quick point on the OpenStack release timeline | 16:08 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 16:08 |
| sridhar_ram | we are in Liberty-3 | 16:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | approx 3 weeks remaining in L3 | 16:09 |
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| Rajkumar_ | Sorry got disconnected and joined back | 16:09 |
| sridhar_ram | we need to plan a Tacker Liberty release soon | 16:09 |
| sridhar_ram | Given couple of specs - health-mon & MANO API - are in flight we need to extend a bit beyond L3 for Tacker | 16:10 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: so we will have liberty branch along with master after the feature freeze | 16:10 |
| sridhar_ram | Exactly .. | 16:10 |
| sridhar_ram | we can perhaps go until mid-Sept to pull the release/liberty branch | 16:11 |
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| sridhar_ram | so please plan your commits and PSs accordingly if you want to make it to Liberty | 16:11 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: that would be helpful | 16:12 |
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| sridhar_ram | lets move on.. | 16:12 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic MANO API | 16:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: any quick updates? | 16:13 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: sure | 16:13 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: thanks for providing your comments | 16:13 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: sure | 16:13 |
| sripriya | after looking into some of the attributes in bit more detail, it appears we can do away with some attributes | 16:14 |
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| sripriya | like mgmt_driver, service_context, service_type | 16:14 |
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| sripriya | these attributes will however need to be part of the request dict_ and we need to ensure that | 16:15 |
| sripriya | in case the yaml file will not contain these attributes | 16:15 |
| sripriya | so basically, the tacker db is expecting them on the outer request dict body | 16:16 |
| sripriya | else it will error out | 16:16 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: totally agree on service_context and service_type, can be done away w/ | 16:16 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: I see, I was about to ask any DB impact .. which we should avoid for this round | 16:16 |
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| sripriya | and code to handle service_context is present, we are not using it thought | 16:16 |
| sripriya | though* | 16:16 |
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| sripriya | yes, we need to have them in request body | 16:17 |
| sripriya | but we can populate it after reading vnfd | 16:17 |
| sridhar_ram | on the mgmt_driver attr: the question to the wider team is VNF needs one mgmt_driver for the whole VNF including for all of its VDUs (= VMs) | 16:17 |
| sridhar_ram | or should it be per VDU | 16:17 |
| sripriya | we need not specify it as part of the API | 16:17 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: sounds good (for your db related resp) | 16:18 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: as far as i understand, it can be per VNF and not per VDU | 16:19 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: then the scenario I would like to understand .. if VNF is a multi-VM VNF | 16:20 |
| sripriya | just to confirm all VDUs are spawned from the same vnf image | 16:20 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram:? | 16:20 |
| sridhar_ram | can one mgmt_driver be the same | 16:20 |
| Rajkumar_ | sripriya - if we keep it per vnf it would be difficult to performs operations since VM spec can be different and pupose as well | 16:21 |
| Rajkumar_ | per VDU | 16:21 |
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| sripriya | well, we may have the case where one VDU does Firewall and other vRouter.. | 16:21 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: no, that may not be the case .. each VDU might be different VM image.. image .. control-pl VM vs DP plane | 16:21 |
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| Rajkumar_ | Agree +1 | 16:22 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: ok | 16:22 |
| sridhar_ram | but this example I gave it a bad one .. ;-) | 16:22 |
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| sridhar_ram | but there are some VNFs like vEPC which are complex and the have different subsystems in VMs | 16:22 |
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| sridhar_ram | and they need different ways to configure | 16:23 |
| sripriya | and they will have diff. configs | 16:23 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: right | 16:23 |
| s3wong | hello | 16:23 |
| sridhar_ram | diff configs is fine .. we can handle in our config.yaml structure | 16:23 |
| sridhar_ram | each VDU can have different snippets of config.. | 16:23 |
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| sridhar_ram | the question is whether we can have *one* mgmt_driver for a whole multi-VM VNF | 16:24 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: hi | 16:24 |
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| sridhar_ram | Rajkumar_: that's a valuable input...looks you would vote for per VDU mgmt_driver ? | 16:25 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: can you elaborate 'different ways to configure'? | 16:25 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: sure.. | 16:25 |
| Rajkumar_ | yes. Sridhar. | 16:25 |
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| Rajkumar_ | or on the whole we can have management driver per VNF whicn in turn takes care of VDU config as well | 16:26 |
| sridhar_ram | imagine a complex multi-VM VNF (like vEPC or others).. where (I'm cooking up here) pcsf-VDU need configuration using RESTapi, another control-pl VDU needs some config using NETCONF/YANG and another VM might need something adhoc CLI-over-SSH | 16:27 |
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| Rajkumar_ | one more thought - We can have management driver per connection protocol. for e.g. Netconf for YANG | 16:28 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: i see... | 16:28 |
| sridhar_ram | this is where mgmt_driver per VDU will help | 16:28 |
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| Rajkumar_ | CLI commands for Telnet/SSH and Rest API's for HTTP | 16:28 |
| shrinathsuresh | looks like we need mgmt_driver per vdu to handle these complicated scenarios | 16:28 |
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| sripriya | then do we need a 'plugin' instead of 'drivers' ? | 16:29 |
| Rajkumar_ | We have devices which supports CLI and few Netconf and few HTTP | 16:29 |
| Rajkumar_ | in this way we can generalize the management driver as well | 16:29 |
| Rajkumar_ | yes whichever is simpler and convenient | 16:30 |
| sridhar_ram | Rajkumar_: sure, that came up few times as well | 16:30 |
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| sridhar_ram | there are some that can be generalized like NetConf | 16:30 |
| sridhar_ram | but we can't for RESTapi which is inherently VNF / VDU specific | 16:31 |
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| Rajkumar_ | one example - for arista device we use HTTP to do config | 16:31 |
| sridhar_ram | we also plan for a generic SSH-replay driver .. that can be handy too | 16:31 |
| sridhar_ram | Rajkumar_: sure, but you would need to write specific arista mgmt_driver code to sent those rest/http calls | 16:32 |
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| sridhar_ram | that can't be generalized | 16:32 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: i kinda see mapping witn neutron ml2 drivers :-) like type and mechanism | 16:32 |
| s3wong | it sounds like we need an ML2 equivalent model | 16:32 |
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| Rajkumar_ | Sridhar :one more example: we need to use HTTP for tail-f to push configuration | 16:33 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: Yeah, I see some pattern emerging here! | 16:33 |
| s3wong | single plugin, multiple drivers | 16:33 |
| sripriya | s3wong: :-) | 16:33 |
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| s3wong | sripriya: typing that at the same time as you :-) | 16:33 |
| sridhar_ram | given we are early in this "exploration" cycle .. I'd say leave the mgmt_driver attr in the API | 16:34 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: ack | 16:34 |
| sridhar_ram | Rajkumar_: those a nice inputs... | 16:34 |
| Rajkumar_ | Thank you | 16:34 |
| sridhar_ram | Tacker, over time, having a rich set of drivers what different transports will help to quickly onboard new VNFs using Tacker | 16:35 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: yes, that has always been the goal | 16:35 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: +1 | 16:36 |
| sridhar_ram | Let me add an some entries in our etherpad backlog to revisit this | 16:36 |
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| sridhar_ram | anything else on MANO API ? | 16:37 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: i will submit a a new patchset and respond to your comments | 16:37 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: sounds good | 16:37 |
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| sridhar_ram | shrinathsuresh: Rajkumar_: please review the spec at the earliest | 16:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | lets move on.. | 16:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | prashantD: hi | 16:38 |
| prashantD | hi | 16:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Basic AutoScaling | 16:38 |
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| Rajkumar_ | Sridhar - Suresh & Xin are from my team as part of TCS-Comcast Contributors | 16:39 |
| sridhar_ram | can you provide an update ? | 16:39 |
| sridhar_ram | Rajkumar_: cool. Welcome to the team - folks! | 16:39 |
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| sripriya | welcome! | 16:39 |
| shrinathsuresh | Thanks | 16:40 |
| s3wong | Rajkumar_: great! Welcome to the team --- what are their IRC nics? | 16:40 |
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| s3wong | shrinathsuresh: that is Suresh. Welcome! | 16:40 |
| Rajkumar_ | Xin_ welcome | 16:40 |
| s3wong | Xin_: that is Xin. Welcome! | 16:40 |
| prashantD | on the autoscaling side it is possible setup a autoscaling enviroment using heat & ceilometer | 16:41 |
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| prashantD | so I am looking into ceilometer...sridhar_ram pointed me to a good write up on how that is done and I am still going through the writeup | 16:41 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: speaking of auto-scaling... do we have the policy description for auto-scaling on TOSCA? | 16:41 |
| sridhar_ram | As you can image, this is a big topic .. | 16:41 |
| prashantD | we have to enhance TOSCA template | 16:42 |
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| s3wong | it is a big topic, very interesting (probably need to set up LBaaS instance automatically as well), and thanks prashantD for taking on this task | 16:42 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: there are some simple primitives | 16:42 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: exactly, almost wrote the same | 16:43 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: :-) | 16:43 |
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| Rajkumar_ | Auto scaling group can be used for auto scaling with ceilometer policies | 16:43 |
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| sridhar_ram | scope is to leverage basic Heat autoscaling using Tacker+TOSCA | 16:43 |
| sridhar_ram | very, very limited ... to get some proof points | 16:44 |
| sridhar_ram | this also ties back to our multi-VDU VNF scenario | 16:44 |
| Rajkumar_ | we did it with cpu_util | 16:44 |
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| sridhar_ram | I have been hammering Tacker mostly using "complex" VNFs these days to see how it performs | 16:44 |
| sridhar_ram | Rajkumar_: that's cool.. perhaps you can colloborate w/ Prashant | 16:45 |
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| s3wong | Rajkumar_: I do think Ceilometer is mostly dealing with VM/server specific metrics | 16:45 |
| prashantD | Rajkumar : so initially it is just going to be cpu_util | 16:45 |
| sridhar_ram | prashantD: Rajkumar_: again, lets keep the scope limited to Heat AutoScaling group + Ceilometer avg cpu_util | 16:46 |
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| prashantD | s3wong, sridhar_ram : do we need to setup LBAAS or we should be fine without that initially? | 16:46 |
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| sridhar_ram | I'd vote not to be sucked into a specific VNF | 16:47 |
| s3wong | prashantD: how do we load balance traffic otherwise? do we expose new VNF IP address to users every time we scale up? | 16:47 |
| sridhar_ram | you need to do lots of LBaaSy things to test your code | 16:47 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram, prashantD: also, I could be wrong, but I thought LBaaS instance is part of the auto-scaling Heat template? | 16:48 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: prashantD: again, we got to be bit generic here | 16:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | can't make anything specific that applies only for LB.. atleast in this initial round | 16:49 |
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| * sridhar_ram notes just 10mins left | 16:50 | |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: sure. As far as LB is concerned, even NFV MANO spec talked about that as a deployment case | 16:50 |
| sridhar_ram | prashantD: I'd suggest you to write a tacker-spec while you are exploring this | 16:50 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: that for sure | 16:50 |
| s3wong | prashantD: it is definitely a big enough feature that we need a spec to review | 16:51 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: sure, we can apply the auto-scaling feature of Tacker and see if it holds .. but I just want to caution to design Tacker's auto-scaling with only LB in the picture | 16:51 |
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| sridhar_ram | *not to | 16:51 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: sure. I do think we can design it with LB and no LB option | 16:52 |
| sridhar_ram | #action prashantD to write a tacker-spec for Basic AutoScale | 16:52 |
| sridhar_ram | lets move on | 16:52 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: though the last time I read the MANO spec, the no-LB option is very vague... | 16:52 |
| prashantD | sure I will write spec...are we planning on passing traffic with initial auto-scale proof of concept? | 16:52 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: sure | 16:52 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: we will remove the vague-ness in the MANO spec.. | 16:53 |
| sridhar_ram | :_) | 16:53 |
| sridhar_ram | :) | 16:53 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Testing | 16:53 |
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| sridhar_ram | I'm still waiting for some test to land in the repo before enabling new gate jobs | 16:53 |
| s3wong | prashantD: let's get the end to end orchestration flow going --- that is with whatever limited TOSCA defined VNFD w.r.t. auto-scaling, and generate equivalent Heat template and auto-scaling group | 16:54 |
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| Rajkumar_ | I committed one bug fix and its working fine but Jenkins build shows error. Please help us | 16:54 |
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| vishwanathj | Rajkumar_, share the link to your patch set | 16:54 |
| sridhar_ram | Rajkumar_: sure, we have enough folks here to guide you | 16:54 |
| Rajkumar_ | http://logs.openstack.org/38/209838/1/check/gate-tacker-pep8/4807afd/ | 16:54 |
| prashantD | s3wong : okay, got it, thanx | 16:55 |
| Rajkumar_ | Jenkins log | 16:55 |
| Rajkumar_ | patch bug/1481888 | 16:55 |
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| sridhar_ram | I hope w/ new code changes like MANO API & Health mon we will have more unit-tests.. | 16:56 |
| sridhar_ram | we are looking to fixup some existing servicevm functional tests | 16:56 |
| vishwanathj | Rajkumar_, The bug does not have link to the patch set | 16:56 |
| sridhar_ram | tempest / scenario tests are little further out .. we should consider it for the next cycle.. | 16:56 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Open Discussion | 16:57 |
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| Rajkumar_ | But we followed all the steps correctly | 16:57 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: what other tests are we running now for gate? | 16:57 |
| sripriya | Rajkumar_: commit message shoud be fixed | 16:57 |
| sripriya | it cannot exceed 50 characters | 16:57 |
| sripriya | that is the Jenkins error | 16:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: just pep8 for now, but that will change soon | 16:58 |
| sridhar_ram | :) | 16:58 |
| sridhar_ram | Folks - I use this link to look at all Tacker reviews | 16:58 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:stackforge/tacker+OR+project:stackforge/python-tackerclient+OR+project:stackforge/tacker-horizon+OR+project:stackforge/tacker-specs,n,z | 16:58 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: so Rajkumar_ bug fix fails pep8? that shouldn't be too hard to fix, right? | 16:58 |
| Rajkumar_ | Ok. let me commit again with less chars, is that will resolve the issue? | 16:58 |
| sridhar_ram | please bookmark this! | 16:58 |
| sripriya | Rajukar_: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GitCommitMessages | 16:58 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: I am way behind... but I will be off next week, so should pick up on the review backlog | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: Rajkumar_ need to fix his patchset (looks commit msg) | 16:59 |
| vishwanathj | Rajkumar_, sripriya is right about the commit message causing the issue you are seeing | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | almost time guys! | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | lets continue if you want in the #tacker channel | 16:59 |
| s3wong | Thanks, guys! | 16:59 |
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| sridhar_ram | we are two week away for Midcycle | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: have a nice vacation! | 16:59 |
| Rajkumar_ | Thanks. I'll commit again | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | lets wrap | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 6 17:00:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| sripriya | thanks! | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-08-06-16.03.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-08-06-16.03.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-08-06-16.03.log.html | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | thanks everyone, that was a good mtg! | 17:00 |
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| shrinathsuresh | Thanks !!! | 17:00 |
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| PsychoBoB | Hi Guys | 18:41 |
| PsychoBoB | Do you listen my band? | 18:41 |
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| PsychoBoB | This is the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDwAXH6MSjA | 18:41 |
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| stevemar | terrylhowe: briancurtin sigmavirus24 | 19:03 |
| terrylhowe | o/ | 19:03 |
| briancurtin | hey | 19:03 |
| terrylhowe | meeting today? | 19:04 |
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| stevemar | i'm in | 19:04 |
| terrylhowe | should we cut a new release? | 19:04 |
| terrylhowe | that would be my only topic | 19:04 |
| stevemar | terrylhowe: yeah, thats my only topic too | 19:04 |
| stevemar | we need to finish up volume | 19:04 |
| terrylhowe | althought normal bugs, reviews would be good too | 19:04 |
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| terrylhowe | volume list is still out there I think for v2 | 19:05 |
| stevemar | terrylhowe: we can start a formal meeting? | 19:05 |
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| stevemar | terrylhowe: up for a quick formal/logged chat? | 19:06 |
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| terrylhowe | yeh | 19:07 |
| terrylhowe | #start openstackclient | 19:07 |
| terrylhowe | something like that | 19:07 |
| stevemar | beat me to it! | 19:07 |
| stevemar | #startmeeting openstackclient | 19:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 6 19:07:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:07 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:07 |
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| stevemar | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/OpenStackClient | 19:07 |
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| terrylhowe | o/ | 19:07 |
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| lhcheng | o/ | 19:08 |
| dolphm | \o/ | 19:08 |
| stevemar | terrylhowe: chat about what we want 1.6.0 to look like and work our way backward? | 19:08 |
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| terrylhowe | sure | 19:08 |
| stevemar | for sure, i want the rest of the volume commands in | 19:09 |
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| stevemar | jiaxi and heha are working on a patch each | 19:09 |
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| stevemar | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204364/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204325/ | 19:09 |
| stevemar | and i think at that point, we're parity with volume v1 and v2 - or pretty darn close anyway | 19:10 |
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| terrylhowe | should we wait for those two? might be a while. | 19:12 |
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| stevemar | they are fairly straightforward | 19:12 |
| stevemar | i'll do the list one if you do the set/unset one :P | 19:12 |
| stevemar | we could get them approved in an hour or two :P | 19:13 |
| lhcheng | I'm still not sure about the display_name in the list volumes v2, I'll test it later after the meeting | 19:13 |
| lhcheng | thought the display_name changed to names in the volume v2 api | 19:13 |
| lhcheng | *name | 19:13 |
| stevemar | lhcheng: i think it did | 19:13 |
| stevemar | i'll be exercising a bunch of the volume v2 commands manually soon | 19:13 |
| terrylhowe | I think so too | 19:13 |
| stevemar | just to make sure we're not being silly | 19:13 |
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| stevemar | secondly, i'm OK with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203280/ not making the cut | 19:14 |
| stevemar | dtroyer had some fairly large concerns about it | 19:14 |
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| lhcheng | okay, I'll try to play around with the commands too | 19:14 |
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| stevemar | and lastly we should review + play around with the logging patch from the folks at fujitsu | 19:15 |
| stevemar | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186720/ | 19:15 |
| stevemar | i think once those 3 are in, we can cut 1.6.0 | 19:16 |
| terrylhowe | The docs on the log patch, I’m not happy with using operation_log: I don’t like either | 19:16 |
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| terrylhowe | I’d love to get the log patch through though | 19:17 |
| stevemar | terrylhowe: propose another name | 19:17 |
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| terrylhowe | well part of the problem I don’t think this is going to work with our current command line options overriding OCC | 19:18 |
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| terrylhowe | my proposed othername would be ‘openstackclient’ | 19:18 |
| stevemar | this will probably be our largest release, 30 bugs and 2 blueprints | 19:18 |
| stevemar | and a change in cliff, too | 19:18 |
| terrylhowe | yeh, pretty producting release | 19:18 |
| stevemar | so get ready for something to break lol | 19:19 |
| terrylhowe | we are still waiting on cliff, no? | 19:19 |
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| stevemar | did it not release? | 19:19 |
| terrylhowe | yeh, we need another cliff release | 19:19 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: q about cliff release? | 19:19 |
| terrylhowe | last release was 6/9 and we were waiting on something I think | 19:20 |
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| stevemar | yeah, we're waiting on the --help fix, and the git style help when you have a typo | 19:22 |
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| stevemar | #action stevemar to bug dhellmann about a cliff release | 19:22 |
| stevemar | were we waiting on another lib... | 19:23 |
| terrylhowe | occ released | 19:23 |
| stevemar | oh occ | 19:23 |
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| stevemar | it released? | 19:23 |
| terrylhowe | yes | 19:23 |
| stevemar | yeah, we're using 1.4.0 now | 19:24 |
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| stevemar | terrylhowe: so i think we're getting super close | 19:24 |
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| terrylhowe | yes | 19:24 |
| stevemar | i'll focus on the volume stuff | 19:25 |
| stevemar | lets get those + logging in | 19:25 |
| stevemar | and call it | 19:25 |
| terrylhowe | I’ll work on getting that logging stuff through | 19:25 |
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| stevemar | cool, i'll focus on OSC for a day or two to get it in shape | 19:25 |
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| stevemar | end meeting early, lets get those patches in | 19:26 |
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| stevemar | did you have anything else you wanted to chat about? | 19:26 |
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| terrylhowe | I was jsut looking at the latest bugs and I don’t see much that needs to be discussed | 19:29 |
| terrylhowe | I guess I am g2g | 19:29 |
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| mriedem | you guys broke everything! | 19:29 |
| mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-gate/+bug/1482350 | 19:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1482350 in OpenStack-Gate "gate-tempest-dsvm-large-ops fails in stable/juno due to uncapped dep problems with osc" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 19:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1482350 in openstack-gate "gate-tempest-dsvm-large-ops fails in stable/juno due to uncapped dep problems with osc" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 19:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1482350 in openstack-gate "gate-tempest-dsvm-large-ops fails in stable/juno due to uncapped dep problems with osc" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482350 | 19:30 |
| terrylhowe | oh, is that all | 19:30 |
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| stevemar | mriedem: ohhh | 19:31 |
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| terrylhowe | we need to do a quick cap on ksc for stable/juno? | 19:32 |
| stevemar | mriedem: i hate stable branches | 19:32 |
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| stevemar | and how we do crazy things with dependencies | 19:32 |
| terrylhowe | “stable” | 19:32 |
| stevemar | forreal | 19:32 |
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| stevemar | mriedem: do we need to cap ksc? | 19:32 |
| stevemar | for juno | 19:32 |
| mriedem | yeah | 19:32 |
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| mriedem | why isn't there a stable/juno branch for osc? | 19:32 |
| terrylhowe | no idea | 19:33 |
| mriedem | sorry to barge into your meeting, but i felt like being dramatic | 19:33 |
| mriedem | we can yap in -dev | 19:33 |
| stevemar | mriedem: it's fine, we were going to finish up | 19:33 |
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| stevemar | mriedem: we only made one for stable/kilo because thats when all the libraries were making stable branches | 19:34 |
| stevemar | dhellmann made the branch i think, around the same time he made stable branches for all oslo libraries | 19:34 |
| stevemar | i guess we didn't need one for juno at the time | 19:34 |
| mriedem | hrm, | 19:34 |
| mriedem | yeah novaclient doesn't have a stable/juno branch either | 19:34 |
| mriedem | osc 1.0.1 has uncapped deps i guess | 19:35 |
| mriedem | and that's the cap for osc in stable/juno | 19:35 |
| stevemar | python-*clients only got stable releases last release i think | 19:35 |
| mriedem | mtreinish: maybe https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/stable/juno/global-requirements.txt#L119 needs to be <1.2 | 19:35 |
| mriedem | *<1.1 | 19:35 |
| mriedem | so we could do a 1.0.2 | 19:35 |
| stevemar | mriedem: yeah, we weren't think of capping deps back in our 1.0.1 days | 19:36 |
| mriedem | we'd need a stable/juno for osc to cap it's reqs and release 1.0.2 though | 19:36 |
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| mriedem | things were so willy nilly back in those days | 19:36 |
| stevemar | so willy and so nilly | 19:36 |
| terrylhowe | yeh, I’ve never understood why there is a bug number in those | 19:36 |
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| mriedem | ok, so it sounds like the path forward is (1) stable/juno branch for osc, (2) cap reqs on stable/juno for osc, (3) release that as 1.0.2, (4) raise cap in g-r to <1.1 | 19:37 |
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| terrylhowe | stevemar: are you in the release group for osc? | 19:38 |
| terrylhowe | I don’t think I am | 19:38 |
| stevemar | terrylhowe: i am, but i've never released it before, dtroyer always did it | 19:38 |
| stevemar | i had a TODO to chat with dhellmann about the process | 19:38 |
| stevemar | looks like now is the time! | 19:39 |
| mtreinish | mriedem: maybe, I don't know enough about what changed between 1.0.1 and 1.2 to weigh on whether thats a good idea or not | 19:39 |
| mriedem | <1.1 | 19:39 |
| mriedem | mtreinish: yeah, we'd have to look i guess | 19:39 |
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| terrylhowe | stevemar: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Client_Release_Process | 19:39 |
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| mtreinish | mriedem: i mean I guess we can push a test patch to find out one way or the other | 19:39 |
| mtreinish | I think theres a tempest job on g-r | 19:39 |
| terrylhowe | git tag -s 1.0.2&& git push gerrit 1.0.2 | 19:39 |
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| mriedem | mtreinish: yeah, we have some other steps before we get there though | 19:40 |
| mriedem | i have the steps in here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker | 19:40 |
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| mriedem | it's 2:40 and my wife wants to go test drive cars, doesn't she know juno is wedged and it's not a good time?! | 19:41 |
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| mriedem | stevemar: terrylhowe: what would we create a stable/juno branch from? the 1.0.1 tag? | 19:41 |
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| terrylhowe | the sha1 I guess | 19:42 |
| terrylhowe | yeh, teh tag | 19:42 |
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| mriedem | i guess there is a 1.0.2 already | 19:42 |
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| mriedem | will semver allow 1.0.1.1? | 19:42 |
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| mriedem | s/semver/pbr | 19:43 |
| stevemar | mriedem: can you explain more about step 3? "release that as 1.0.2"? did you think we didn't have 1.0.2? | 19:43 |
| mriedem | stevemar: yeah | 19:43 |
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| stevemar | mriedem: yeah, we do, i see now... 1.0.1.1 might work | 19:43 |
| mriedem | i'm not so sure on 1.0.1.1 | 19:43 |
| mriedem | pbr 0.11 might barf | 19:44 |
| stevemar | right, we're limited to old pbr since we're in juno land | 19:44 |
| mriedem | lifeless: will pbr 0.11 with semver allow a release of 1.0.1.1? | 19:44 |
| terrylhowe | uughh | 19:44 |
| mriedem | stevemar: no, it's just that pbr since 0.11 started enforcing that | 19:44 |
| mriedem | latest pbr would barf too i think | 19:44 |
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| stevemar | well this is getting ugly fast | 19:45 |
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| terrylhowe | things might work with a 1.0.5 with a capped ksc | 19:46 |
| mriedem | i'm also wondering why this only started blowing up since 8/5 | 19:46 |
| mriedem | i don't really see anything related released yesterday | 19:47 |
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| stevemar | might it be easier to limit the ksc/ksm/novaclient versions in juno? | 19:47 |
| stevemar | or we'll still need a stable/juno release of osc anyway? | 19:48 |
| mriedem | those are already all capped | 19:49 |
| mriedem | it's osc 1.0.1 that is bringing in novaclient 2.26 | 19:49 |
| mriedem | since it's uncapped in osc 1.0.1 | 19:49 |
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| mriedem | dhellmann: are you around? | 19:50 |
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| stevemar | mriedem: we called his name a few times during the meeting and he normally replies, but not today | 19:51 |
| mriedem | ok, and mordred is on vacation i think | 19:51 |
| mriedem | so, i'm going to tinker with 1.0.1.1 in setup.cfg of osc 1.0.1 and see how that works | 19:51 |
| stevemar | go for it, i'll be online to help | 19:51 |
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| stevemar | any other topics? or dramatic entrances? | 19:53 |
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| stevemar | #endmeeting | 19:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 6 19:54:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-08-06-19.07.html | 19:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-08-06-19.07.txt | 19:54 |
| terrylhowe | few | 19:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-08-06-19.07.log.html | 19:54 |
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| stevemar | thanks terrylhowe | 19:54 |
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