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| lapalm | hello | 16:00 |
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| rodrigods | hi | 16:00 |
| schwicke | hi | 16:00 |
| schwicke | hi sajeesh! | 16:00 |
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| raildo | \o | 16:01 |
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| schwicke | #startmeeting hierarchical_multitenancy | 16:01 |
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| schwicke | hmm, I don't think this worked | 16:02 |
| schwicke | #startmeeting hierarchical_multitenancy | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jun 26 16:02:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is schwicke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hierarchical_multitenancy' | 16:02 |
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| schwicke | better now :) | 16:02 |
| schwicke | So who's there / | 16:02 |
| schwicke | ? | 16:02 |
| sajeesh | Hi schwicke | 16:02 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 16:02 |
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| schwicke | I suggest we first go through the action items from last friday | 16:03 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:03 |
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| schwicke | #topic review of action items from last meeting | 16:03 |
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| schwicke | We had: ericksonsantos will test the code | 16:04 |
| schwicke | does anybody have an update on this ? | 16:05 |
| rodrigods | schwicke, he is currently applying sajeesh code into devstack | 16:05 |
| rodrigods | in order to test it | 16:05 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:05 |
| schwicke | OK | 16:05 |
| schwicke | great! | 16:05 |
| schwicke | I understand that Sajeesh did that already so maybe if there are problems Sajeesh could help ? | 16:05 |
| sajeesh | I can help | 16:06 |
| rodrigods | schwicke, he hasn't reported any issues yet. But sure, will let him know | 16:06 |
| sajeesh | actually testing is very time consuming | 16:06 |
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| schwicke | sure | 16:06 |
| sajeesh | it is not that difficult...but takes lot of time | 16:06 |
| schwicke | not surprising :) | 16:06 |
| rodrigods | sajeesh, yes, thanks for volunteering to help :) | 16:06 |
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| sajeesh | no problem :-) | 16:07 |
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| schwicke | Let's try to use the skype forum for fast response where possible, keeping in mind that Sajeesh unfortunatly can't use it during working hours so here you need to fall back to e-mail | 16:07 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:08 |
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| schwicke | #action Sajeesh can help on testing if need be. Corrdinate via e-mail or skype | 16:08 |
| schwicke | all: review next update of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185704/ | 16:08 |
| schwicke | I see that this is merged | 16:08 |
| schwicke | So we can tick that off I suppose | 16:08 |
| schwicke | correct ? | 16:09 |
| rodrigods | schwicke, yes... the follow up patch is not currently passing tests | 16:09 |
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| rodrigods | ericksonssantos can definitely take care of it while vilobh is not present | 16:09 |
| rodrigods | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194406/ | 16:09 |
| schwicke | rodrigods: thanks for the link! | 16:09 |
| sajeesh | thanks | 16:10 |
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| schwicke | #action: ericksonssantos can help on tests for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194406/ after finishing the tests | 16:10 |
| schwicke | lets move on: Sajeesh contact the mailing list to get advice on the keystone call | 16:11 |
| sajeesh | yes...I have contacted them | 16:11 |
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| sajeesh | there are two methods | 16:11 |
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| sajeesh | 1. monkey patch the two methods only | 16:12 |
| sajeesh | or keystoneclient as a whole | 16:12 |
| rodrigods | don't like the option of doing unnecessary work | 16:12 |
| rodrigods | would go with 1 | 16:12 |
| sajeesh | ++1 | 16:12 |
| raildo | sajeesh, do you have the link of this email? | 16:12 |
| sajeesh | I will send you | 16:13 |
| raildo | sajeesh, thanks | 16:13 |
| raildo | rodrigods, ++ | 16:13 |
| schwicke | there was a comment from ayoung: "A worst case approach is to monkey patch the Keystoneclient. Please don't do that if you can avoid it; better to provide a mock alternative." | 16:14 |
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| sajeesh | but in the second mail he wrote something different | 16:15 |
| schwicke | #action: sajeesh send link to mail thread | 16:15 |
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| sajeesh | ok | 16:15 |
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| sajeesh | sorry ..I thought you all might have seen | 16:15 |
| sajeesh | seen the mail | 16:15 |
| schwicke | indeed: "Its not great, but not horrible. It seems to match the scope of what you are testing. However, you might want to consider doing a mock for the whole Keystoneclient call, as that really should beo utside of the unit test for the Nova code. | 16:16 |
| schwicke | " | 16:16 |
| raildo | #link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg56439.html | 16:16 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:16 |
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| sajeesh | thanks raildo | 16:16 |
| schwicke | I'm not deep enough inside the code to really judge but there seems to be some consensus to go for the monkey patch thing | 16:17 |
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| schwicke | raildo: thanks a lot for the link! | 16:17 |
| sajeesh | yes , we have to do that....only the scope needs to decided | 16:17 |
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| sajeesh | raildo, rodrigo...any links of monkey patching done in keystone..It will be helpful to me | 16:18 |
| sajeesh | I mean the way | 16:19 |
| rodrigods | sajeesh, I believe we have something in Horizon | 16:19 |
| rodrigods | just a sec | 16:19 |
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| sajeesh | ok | 16:19 |
| rodrigods | #link https://github.com/openstack/horizon/blob/master/openstack_dashboard/test/api_tests/keystone_tests.py | 16:19 |
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| rodrigods | in those tests, Horizon is mocking the return of keystone calls | 16:20 |
| sajeesh | rodrigo, thanks a lot | 16:20 |
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| sajeesh | ok | 16:21 |
| schwicke | #agreed go for a monkey patch as proposed in the mail thread | 16:21 |
| schwicke | sajeesh: when do you think you can start to work on this ? | 16:21 |
| sajeesh | schwicke ...I will start as soon as possible | 16:22 |
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| schwicke | #action sajeesh will work on implementing monkey patching the keystone calls | 16:23 |
| schwicke | great! | 16:23 |
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| schwicke | finally we had: vilobhmm will update cinder code with agreed items from this meeting | 16:23 |
| sajeesh | shwcicke planning start working on that by this weeked | 16:23 |
| sajeesh | weekend | 16:24 |
| schwicke | well, not very well phased this action item, sorry for that :) | 16:24 |
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| schwicke | sajeesh: cool! | 16:24 |
| rodrigods | I believe vilobhm is on vacation? erickdonsantos can do that | 16:24 |
| rodrigods | (as I said in a previous topic) | 16:24 |
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| schwicke | poor erickdonsantos :) | 16:24 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:24 |
| rodrigods | haha :) | 16:24 |
| raildo | lol | 16:24 |
| sajeesh | :) | 16:24 |
| schwicke | erickdonsantos: is that ok for you ? | 16:25 |
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| rodrigods | schwicke, he is in a poor 3g connection | 16:25 |
| rodrigods | in a mobile | 16:26 |
| erickdonsantos | I lost the beginning of the meeting :( | 16:26 |
| sajeesh | hi erickson | 16:26 |
| schwicke | hi! | 16:26 |
| erickdonsantos | Hi :) | 16:26 |
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| rodrigods | hey erickdonsantos, said that you started the devstack deploy with sajeesh's code | 16:26 |
| schwicke | erickdonsantos: we've action itemed you on: testing of Sajeeshs code and taking over from vilobhmm while he's on vacation | 16:27 |
| rodrigods | and that you are going to fix vilobhm change (set default values to 0) since he is out | 16:27 |
| rodrigods | schwicke, ++ | 16:27 |
| erickdonsantos | I'm from a mobile using 3g net, it's being difficult to follow up the discussion, sorry | 16:27 |
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| erickdonsantos | I'm ok with that | 16:28 |
| schwicke | no problem, you'll be able to read the missing bits from the logs | 16:28 |
| erickdonsantos | :) | 16:28 |
| schwicke | great! | 16:28 |
| sajeesh | :) | 16:28 |
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| schwicke | #action: erickdonsantos will take over from vilobhmm while he's on vacation | 16:28 |
| schwicke | let's move on | 16:29 |
| schwicke | #topic nova code feedback | 16:29 |
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| schwicke | Sajeesh, any special thing that you want to discuss here ? | 16:29 |
| rodrigods | I have... | 16:29 |
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| rodrigods | the whole patch chain is not passing tests, starting from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182140/ | 16:29 |
| schwicke | go ahead! | 16:29 |
| sajeesh | I want feedback | 16:29 |
| rodrigods | this needs special attention because the nova cores won't review it until they are passing the tests | 16:30 |
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| rodrigods | maybe you've seen some thoughts I had about it in the mail thread? | 16:30 |
| erickdonsantos | As soon as I've done the scripts to test sajeesh' patches on devstack, I'll sent a code review | 16:30 |
| sajeesh | yes..I know | 16:30 |
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| sajeesh | thanks erickson | 16:30 |
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| sajeesh | rodrigo...I have seen your mail | 16:31 |
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| sajeesh | I am working on that... | 16:31 |
| rodrigods | sajeesh, sure :) | 16:31 |
| rodrigods | I believe you may need to ask feedback from nova cores | 16:31 |
| sajeesh | If am not able to ,I will take help from the community | 16:31 |
| rodrigods | because you may have two options: fix the tests somehow or just drop the tests | 16:32 |
| sajeesh | rodrigo, I am also thinking so | 16:32 |
| rodrigods | their feedback can speed up things | 16:32 |
| sajeesh | I am planning for fixing the tests | 16:32 |
| sajeesh | anyway , I will ask them | 16:32 |
| erickdonsantos | Sajeesh, I think you can start addressing our previous reviews | 16:32 |
| rodrigods | sajeesh, I mean... only fixing the tests without the feedback about the approach can be harmful | 16:32 |
| sajeesh | ok...then I will ask their feedback | 16:33 |
| rodrigods | sajeesh, great! | 16:33 |
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| sajeesh | :-) | 16:33 |
| rodrigods | :) | 16:33 |
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| schwicke | #action sajeesh will ask for feedback on failing tests for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182140/ | 16:34 |
| erickdonsantos | rodrigods ++ | 16:34 |
| sajeesh | erickson..I had tried addressing the previous tests | 16:34 |
| sajeesh | previous reviews | 16:34 |
| schwicke | I suggest we do the same thing as last time: first send a draft of the mail, we iterate on it and then send it off ? | 16:34 |
| sajeesh | let me know..if I had missed any | 16:34 |
| rodrigods | schwicke, sajeesh would go for IRC discussions as well | 16:35 |
| sajeesh | ++1 | 16:35 |
| schwicke | when contacting the community | 16:35 |
| schwicke | good idea | 16:35 |
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| raildo | rodrigods, ++ it's easier to find the core team and get a quickly answers for this | 16:35 |
| schwicke | in openstack-dev I suppose ? | 16:35 |
| rodrigods | -nova | 16:35 |
| raildo | #openstack-nova | 16:35 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:35 |
| schwicke | ok | 16:36 |
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| schwicke | #action sajeesh will contact core developers on IRC in #openstack-nova | 16:36 |
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| schwicke | (hope I got the actions right :) ) | 16:37 |
| raildo | sajeesh, you can ping the nova cores: jogo, garyk, jaypipes, sdague and others | 16:37 |
| sajeesh | :-) | 16:37 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:37 |
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| schwicke | probably to good to do that asap | 16:38 |
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| sajeesh | yes | 16:38 |
| schwicke | lets move on | 16:38 |
| schwicke | #topic unit testing method | 16:39 |
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| schwicke | not sure if we didn't already cover this | 16:39 |
| rodrigods | schwicke, monkey patches :) | 16:39 |
| sajeesh | :) | 16:39 |
| schwicke | exactly :) | 16:39 |
| schwicke | #agreed monkey patches | 16:39 |
| schwicke | Only thing left is | 16:40 |
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| schwicke | #topic AOB | 16:40 |
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| schwicke | (didn't work it seems) | 16:40 |
| schwicke | (did) | 16:40 |
| rodrigods | who isn't in the skype group chat yet? | 16:40 |
| schwicke | thanks! I was about to ask the same question | 16:41 |
| schwicke | Sajeesh is not in yet | 16:41 |
| sajeesh | I think ...I am :( | 16:41 |
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| ericksonsantos | Neither do I | 16:41 |
| rodrigods | ericksonsantos, what is your skype ID? | 16:42 |
| sajeesh | shwicke...I will check it | 16:42 |
| rodrigods | schwicke, will add you as a contact and than add you to the group chat | 16:42 |
| ericksonsantos | ericksonfilipe | 16:42 |
| ericksonsantos | Ok, nice | 16:42 |
| schwicke | ericksonsantos: I have sent you another contact request | 16:43 |
| schwicke | same for sajeesh. | 16:43 |
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| sajeesh | thanks | 16:43 |
| sajeesh | sajeesh-cs | 16:43 |
| schwicke | If you could go online and accept it I can add you to the chat | 16:43 |
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| ericksonsantos | I'll accept as soon as I can, schwicke | 16:43 |
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| sajeesh | one more thing....before pinging the nova-core do we deed to send a mail to give a background info | 16:44 |
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| rodrigods | sajeesh, don't think it is necessary | 16:44 |
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| sajeesh | ok... | 16:44 |
| rodrigods | think most of them are aware of the change (at least the spec) | 16:44 |
| rodrigods | specially jogo | 16:44 |
| rodrigods | that approved it | 16:45 |
| sajeesh | yes.. | 16:45 |
| rodrigods | he might be your start point | 16:45 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:45 |
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| schwicke | +1 | 16:45 |
| ericksonsantos | rodrigods, good point | 16:45 |
| schwicke | (btw for the record: my skype ID is "schwicke") :) | 16:46 |
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| sajeesh | ok | 16:46 |
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| schwicke | anything else to be discussed ? | 16:46 |
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| sajeesh | nothing from my side | 16:47 |
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| rodrigods | I'm good too | 16:47 |
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| rodrigods | please contact me via email, skype or IRC | 16:47 |
| rodrigods | if you need anything | 16:47 |
| sajeesh | ok..thanks | 16:47 |
| schwicke | Great ! Thanks a lot | 16:48 |
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| schwicke | Let's meet again next week in any case to review the status of the various action items. | 16:48 |
| schwicke | #endmeeting | 16:48 |
| rodrigods | schwicke, ++ | 16:48 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jun 26 16:48:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:48 |
| ericksonsantos | Thanks all, I'll read up the logs later | 16:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2015/hierarchical_multitenancy.2015-06-26-16.02.html | 16:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2015/hierarchical_multitenancy.2015-06-26-16.02.txt | 16:48 |
| raildo | schwicke, ++ | 16:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2015/hierarchical_multitenancy.2015-06-26-16.02.log.html | 16:48 |
| rodrigods | thanks guys! bye | 16:48 |
| schwicke | Bon weekend! | 16:48 |
| sajeesh | good bye all...and have a Good Weekend | 16:49 |
| schwicke | Thanks a lot to everybody! | 16:49 |
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| geoffarnold | #startmeeting mercadorproject | 16:56 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jun 26 16:56:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is geoffarnold. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:56 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:56 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mercadorproject' | 16:56 |
| raildo | \o | 16:56 |
| geoffarnold | Greetings | 16:56 |
| geoffarnold | Let's give it a few minutes | 16:56 |
| raildo | sure | 16:56 |
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| geoffarnold | #topic welcome | 16:58 |
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| marekd | welcome | 16:58 |
| raildo | hi marekd :) | 16:59 |
| gyee | what's on the menu? | 16:59 |
| geoffarnold | So this is the first meeting of the Mercador stackforge project. If you're not interested in OpenStack service federation, you're in the wrong place | 16:59 |
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| geoffarnold | I went ahead and set up the project with zero content (except for the wiki page) because I wanted to start with a level field; everyone gets a chance to review and contribute to everything | 17:01 |
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| geoffarnold | The primary goal of this first meeting is to identify participants and roles | 17:02 |
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| marekd | is there anythong to review already? | 17:02 |
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| rodrigods | hi all | 17:02 |
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| geoffarnold | The starting point is the material in the wiki page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mercador | 17:03 |
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| iurygregory | hello | 17:03 |
| geoffarnold | #topic introductions | 17:03 |
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| geoffarnold | I'd like it if everybody could introduce themselves: name, affiliation, interest level | 17:04 |
| geoffarnold | Geoff Arnold, Cisco Intercloud Services, initiator of this effort | 17:05 |
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| marekd | Marek Denis, CERN, has been working on OS-FEDERATION since October 2013 | 17:05 |
| davidjc | David C, Cisco Intercloud Services, co-initiator, dev | 17:05 |
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| raildo | Raildo Mascena, Universidade Federal de Campina Grande, core team from mercador, working with hierarchical multitenancy and reseller on keystone | 17:06 |
| rodrigods | Rodrigo Duarte, Universidade Federal de Campina Grande, working with federation since the Juno release | 17:06 |
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| atiwari | Arvind Tiwari Cisco Intercloud Services | 17:06 |
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| gyee | Guang Yee, HP Helion, I help solve problems :) | 17:06 |
| iurygregory | Iury Gregory, Universidade Federal de Campina Grande, working with federation since the Kilo release | 17:07 |
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| raildo | gyee, best definition | 17:07 |
| * morganfainberg is a lurker and hides in the corner. | 17:07 | |
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| setmason | Seth Mason, Cisco Intercloud Services | 17:07 |
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| geoffarnold | Orran Krieger of Massachusetts Open Cloud would be here, but had an urgent commitment | 17:07 |
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| ganeshna_ | Ganesh, Cisco India, interested in OpenStack development | 17:07 |
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| geoffarnold | Any more? | 17:08 |
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| geoffarnold | #topic housekeeping | 17:09 |
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| geoffarnold | I'd like to propose that we use Trello to track the various subtasks for this project: https://trello.com/b/6tlmk3z4/mercador-stackforge-project | 17:10 |
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| geoffarnold | It's a public Trello board, but I don't think we need to worry about vandalism | 17:10 |
| geoffarnold | I think all of the necessary links are in the wiki - repos, meetings, project | 17:11 |
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| geoffarnold | Any questions at this stage? | 17:12 |
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| iurygregory | no =) | 17:13 |
| geoffarnold | ;-0 | 17:13 |
| geoffarnold | OK | 17:14 |
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| geoffarnold | The objective for the Liberty cycle is to implement a virtual region proof-of-concept in order to demonstrate it at Tokyo | 17:14 |
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| raildo | ok | 17:16 |
| geoffarnold | There are a couple of challenges in achieving this | 17:16 |
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| geoffarnold | First is functional: successfully automating the [re]configuration of Keystone and Horizon when we add (and remove) a virtual region | 17:16 |
| geoffarnold | Second is infra-related: how do we create a testing context for this system. It requires two independent OpenStack instances | 17:17 |
| geoffarnold | Devstack won't cut it | 17:17 |
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| geoffarnold | The rest should be fairly straightforward: | 17:18 |
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| geoffarnold | Data modeling, service implementation (using Pecan), CLI | 17:18 |
| marekd | API | 17:19 |
| geoffarnold | Yup | 17:19 |
| geoffarnold | Three APIs: | 17:19 |
| geoffarnold | CLI-to-publisher | 17:19 |
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| geoffarnold | CLI-to-subscriber | 17:19 |
| geoffarnold | subscriber-to-publisher | 17:19 |
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| marekd | trust management | 17:20 |
| shaleh | marekd: ++ | 17:20 |
| geoffarnold | Agreed. Feels like a very distinct role | 17:20 |
| marekd | what transport layer (protocol) are you going to use? | 17:20 |
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| geoffarnold | https, I assume | 17:21 |
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| marekd | i was rather asking about protocols like OpenID connect | 17:21 |
| marekd | so, identity management. | 17:21 |
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| marekd | when sub with pub communicate, you are going to rely on some sort of service accounts? | 17:22 |
| geoffarnold | Oh I see - I assume we'd build on the Keystone-to-Keystone | 17:22 |
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| marekd | so sub would still rely on keystone as identity master | 17:22 |
| geoffarnold | Right. Publisher sets up virtual regions, creates an admin account for each | 17:22 |
| geoffarnold | yes | 17:22 |
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| geoffarnold | One fairly urgent issue is to identify dependencies on Keystone (and Horizon) work | 17:24 |
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| geoffarnold | For example, the whole question of namespaces for HMT | 17:24 |
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| geoffarnold | Since the whole "virtual region" model builds on HMT | 17:25 |
| marekd | can it be shared? | 17:25 |
| rodrigods | geoffarnold, the Reseller effort should be merged in Liberty | 17:25 |
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| marekd | among identtities coming different clouds ? | 17:25 |
| rodrigods | also, with namespacing concepts like service providers to projects/domains | 17:25 |
| marekd | rodrigods: that was supposed to be endpoint filtering? | 17:26 |
| geoffarnold | I don't think a single virtual region can be shared, since when it's subscribed it uses the subscriber's IDM | 17:26 |
| rodrigods | marekd, it is supposed :) | 17:26 |
| * stevemar sneaks in late | 17:26 | |
| gyee | what's the topology like? cloud -> domains -> subdomains -> projects -> subprojects? | 17:26 |
| gyee | s/cloud/region/ | 17:26 |
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| davidjc | i believe a virtual region can be considered as a lease on resources | 17:27 |
| geoffarnold | Pictures in the Wiki (I hate embedded images in IRC) | 17:27 |
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| davidjc | you could potentially sublease, but it may not be shared | 17:27 |
| marekd | so it;s not for creating a one chunk of resources spanned across multiple clouds, but also for collaborative use | 17:28 |
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| marekd | or wait, maybe it is... | 17:28 |
| davidjc | well, the lease would span multiple disparate clouds | 17:28 |
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| geoffarnold | It's about gluing a chunk of resources from one cloud into another, and representing that as a region (so that things like Horizon multiregion, Heat, etc. work across the regions) | 17:29 |
| davidjc | so you would create a federated homogenous cloud from disparate clouds through requesting multiple leases | 17:29 |
| davidjc | N number of v regions for my new federated cloud | 17:29 |
| davidjc | my thoughts however | 17:29 |
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| marekd | alright, from the user perspective user would need to keep token-per-cloud or just local token and mercador sub i suppose would somehow map it ? | 17:30 |
| gyee | so we have service provider concept in keystone catalog today | 17:30 |
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| marekd | otherwise i think the burden is put on keystoneclient to be smart enough to switch between regions and know which token to use which region. | 17:30 |
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| davidjc | well I think the keystone-to-keystone would take care of that complexity | 17:31 |
| gyee | so what's the difference between "service provider" and "region" because they are totally different concepts | 17:31 |
| rodrigods | gyee, service provider is a remote trusted cloud | 17:31 |
| marekd | davidjc: k2k is for authenticating, not caring of that complexity.... | 17:31 |
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| geoffarnold | Keystoneclient needs to know where it is in the HMT tree, and which IDM applies | 17:31 |
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| geoffarnold | which was in the original domain stuff, IIRC | 17:32 |
| marekd | geoffarnold: is the mercador by design a tool for setting up vregions or also takes care of neat abstraction of having multiple separate clouds? | 17:32 |
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| geoffarnold | I'm not sure what the difference is | 17:33 |
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| geoffarnold | A cloud is a collection of regions | 17:33 |
| davidjc | so I believe the use cases presented on the wiki are uni-directional | 17:33 |
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| davidjc | you would simply make them bi-directional | 17:33 |
| geoffarnold | Let's not over-complicate | 17:34 |
| marekd | ++ | 17:34 |
| gyee | ++ for not overloading "region" | 17:34 |
| geoffarnold | Today, all of the regions in a cloud (as seen through Horizon/Keystone) are "local" | 17:34 |
| marekd | ++ | 17:34 |
| marekd | yes | 17:34 |
| davidjc | i was simply mentioning, the model is recursive | 17:34 |
| geoffarnold | in the sense of under a single admin | 17:35 |
| davidjc | ++ | 17:35 |
| geoffarnold | Mercador simply introduces the concept of a virtual region, provided by one service provider (cloud), and integrated into a second cloud | 17:36 |
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| marekd | ok, so to me the burden of switching between the clouds is still within keystoneclient competences. | 17:36 |
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| geoffarnold | what do you mean by "switching between the clouds"? | 17:37 |
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| gyee | marekd, correct, its essentially a set of orchestrations underneath | 17:37 |
| marekd | i will need to choose : i now want to use cloud "A" | 17:37 |
| marekd | and openstack server list | 17:37 |
| marekd | will list VMs from my project, from cloud B | 17:38 |
| marekd | now i say "I want to use vregion at cloud B" | 17:38 |
| marekd | and openstack server list will give me the list of my VMs at cloud B | 17:38 |
| geoffarnold | Our assumption is that a user interacts with a CSP (via Horizon/Keystone) and sees multiple regions in the cloud | 17:38 |
| marekd | it's not that typing: openstack server list will print me all VMs across all federated clouds. | 17:38 |
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| geoffarnold | The user doesn't know or care whether region A is local to the CSP or a federated virtual region | 17:39 |
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| marekd | ok | 17:39 |
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| gyee | marekd, its more like a single facade, pulling resources from all the clouds, and do the switching underneath | 17:39 |
| shaleh | mercador is going to create a meta-cloud | 17:40 |
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| marekd | gyee: where? | 17:40 |
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| marekd | shaleh: what is metacloud ? | 17:40 |
| geoffarnold | One of the goals (and a strong requirement from my product folks) is that the user experience doesn't change | 17:40 |
| gyee | hahaha | 17:40 |
| gyee | cisco owns metacloud now | 17:40 |
| marekd | gyee: yeah | 17:40 |
| shaleh | sigh | 17:40 |
| geoffarnold | I'm supposed to say something about Cisco trademarks, I think ;-) | 17:40 |
| * shaleh doesn't speak corp very well :-) | 17:41 | |
| davidjc | we are creating mapping of os resources that represent the lease | 17:41 |
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| davidjc | a logic representation | 17:41 |
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| geoffarnold | One of the tasks in the data modeling is to come up with "region metadata" | 17:42 |
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| davidjc | real region => logical model of the regions lease of cloud provider A, leased by B | 17:42 |
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| geoffarnold | So a future UX extension is "tell me which region supports service X" or "is located in Germany" (data sovereignty) | 17:43 |
| marekd | so you want to change region model in Keystone? | 17:43 |
| geoffarnold | No | 17:43 |
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| geoffarnold | Layer on top of it | 17:43 |
| marekd | ok | 17:43 |
| marekd | more freedom then :P | 17:43 |
| geoffarnold | Ideally Keystone and Horizon don't change (same UX) | 17:44 |
| gyee | davidjc, I agree, it has to be seamless for end users, like creating my own playlist in spotify or something | 17:44 |
| gyee | client take care of the rest | 17:44 |
| geoffarnold | Today if you log in to Horizon and see five regions, how do you know which one to use? | 17:44 |
| geoffarnold | It's established via out-of-band policy | 17:44 |
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| geoffarnold | Nothing in OpenStack captures that | 17:45 |
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| geoffarnold | #topic next steps | 17:45 |
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| gyee | no, we need to figure out a way to aggregate them | 17:45 |
| geoffarnold | OK, let's talk next steps | 17:46 |
| geoffarnold | I'd hoped that the use cases in the wiki were unambiguous, but :-( | 17:46 |
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| shaleh | geoffarnold: the use cases are good. I think what we need is a little more meat. They are very high level. | 17:47 |
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| geoffarnold | I need to identify core members and update the project info | 17:47 |
| marekd | How are you going to do this? | 17:47 |
| geoffarnold | Depends on how many volunteers I get ;-) | 17:48 |
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| gyee | geoffarnold, shaleh also from HP Helion and he would love to contribute, so I heard :) | 17:48 |
| geoffarnold | This is the first project I've kicked off | 17:48 |
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| marekd | geoffarnold: understood. | 17:48 |
| rodrigods | geoffarnold, are you the PTL as well? | 17:48 |
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| raildo | rodrigods, ++ | 17:48 |
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| geoffarnold | Yes until the get a quorum and someone votes me off | 17:49 |
| geoffarnold | we get | 17:49 |
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| rodrigods | geoffarnold, heh | 17:49 |
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| geoffarnold | There's a dedicated IRC channel, #openstack-mercador which I monitor | 17:50 |
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| geoffarnold | Let's post volunteer info there - because I know there are people who aren't here who want to participate | 17:51 |
| rodrigods | geoffarnold, ++ | 17:52 |
| geoffarnold | Deadline next Wednesday | 17:52 |
| iurygregory | geoffarnold, ++ | 17:52 |
| stevemar | i'd be willing to review, not sure if i have the time to code :( | 17:52 |
| gyee | is writing code requirement? | 17:52 |
| davidjc | geoffarnold, ++ of course :) | 17:52 |
| geoffarnold | Review is most important | 17:52 |
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| marekd | I can take a look at some code too! | 17:53 |
| rodrigods | geoffarnold, for reviews, I can absolute help | 17:53 |
| rodrigods | marekd, ++ | 17:53 |
| iurygregory | for code and reviews i think i can help | 17:53 |
| raildo | i can help with the hmt and reseller parte | 17:53 |
| gyee | I can help motivate people | 17:53 |
| geoffarnold | I'm particularly interested in people who've wrestled with the testing workflows | 17:53 |
| raildo | part* :) | 17:53 |
| stevemar | gyee: with a stick or carrot? | 17:53 |
| marekd | stevemar: with beer and wine | 17:53 |
| gyee | stevemar, it depends | 17:53 |
| geoffarnold | t-shirts are the normal currency | 17:54 |
| stevemar | marekd: knows how to motivate! | 17:54 |
| rodrigods | geoffarnold, lol | 17:54 |
| iurygregory | lol | 17:54 |
| raildo | haha | 17:54 |
| marekd | stevemar: that's my fuel! | 17:54 |
| iurygregory | t-shirts area a good idea =P | 17:54 |
| rodrigods | missing the craft beers from vancouver | 17:54 |
| iurygregory | are* | 17:54 |
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| * gyee is on the phone with the market people | 17:54 | |
| gyee | marketing | 17:54 |
| geoffarnold | #action all - post participation intention to #OpenStack-mercador | 17:55 |
| marekd | already orginising beer | 17:55 |
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| marekd | geoffarnold: so, what exactly does it mean? | 17:55 |
| geoffarnold | And please post questions about gaps in the user stories | 17:55 |
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| geoffarnold | Mercador? Portuguese for "merchant" | 17:55 |
| rodrigods | our native language! (cc raildo iurygregory ) | 17:56 |
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| iurygregory | yes =D | 17:56 |
| geoffarnold | It's hard finding a name that doesn't conflict in all the repos, PyPi, etc. | 17:56 |
| marekd | geoffarnold: no,no, post participation intention...am i supposed to add myself (sb else) to some list, or write an e-mail? | 17:56 |
| rodrigods | marekd, ++ | 17:56 |
| raildo | sounds good see some in portuguese on openstack :) | 17:56 |
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| gyee | marekd, please send the application along with the fees directly to me | 17:57 |
| geoffarnold | Email to me - geoff@geoffarnold.com - or post on IRC #OpenStack-mercador | 17:57 |
| shaleh | geoffarnold: the other likelt candidate is some variation on broker or agent which is highly over subscribed | 17:57 |
| geoffarnold | OK, thanks all - we're out of time | 17:57 |
| geoffarnold | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jun 26 17:57:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mercadorproject/2015/mercadorproject.2015-06-26-16.56.html | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mercadorproject/2015/mercadorproject.2015-06-26-16.56.txt | 17:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mercadorproject/2015/mercadorproject.2015-06-26-16.56.log.html | 17:57 |
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