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| eglynn | #startmeeting openstack-ceilometer | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 12 15:01:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ceilometer' | 15:01 |
| eglynn | who's all around for the ceilo meeting? | 15:01 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:01 |
| fabiog | hi | 15:01 |
| ildikov_ | o/ | 15:01 |
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| linuxhermit | o/ | 15:01 |
| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:02 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:02 |
| ityaptin | o/ | 15:02 |
| _elena_ | o/ | 15:02 |
| eglynn | #topic kilo3 status | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kilo3 status (Meeting topic: openstack-ceilometer)" | 15:02 | |
| gordc | o/ | 15:02 |
| jd__ | o/ | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: I think we can roll this in with the "ConfigDB land or burn?" topic | 15:02 |
| _nadya_ | o/ | 15:03 |
| fabiog | eglynn: yep | 15:03 |
| eglynn | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/kilo-3 | 15:03 |
| jd__ | is it a vote? | 15:03 |
| eglynn | so the main issue is go/no-go on DB config | 15:03 |
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| gordc | fabiog: just an fyi, i marked patch wip for now. | 15:04 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: part of my reluctance here is that the series of BPs seems like it's gonna be incomplete for kilo | 15:04 |
| fabiog | jd__: I think we need to take a decision if we want to merge with the current design and then re-factor later or go back to the whiteboard for Liberty | 15:04 |
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| gordc | fabiog: i'd be more confident with the latter. | 15:04 |
| eglynn | fabiog: i.e. we have 3 BPs, but the most advance by far is the initial one (IIUC) | 15:04 |
| eglynn | most *advanced | 15:05 |
| jd__ | postpone | 15:05 |
| fabiog | eglynn: I think with all the discussion that went on the other patches got delayed. Personally I think we could still make it. But if the consensus is to re-propose it in Liberty we can go with that | 15:05 |
| eglynn | fabiog: say we were to land ceilometer-configuration-via-data-store ... the mechanism would be effectively unused in kilo without the API and agent BPs? | 15:06 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: I think we could achieve the very basic func. store and retrieve the config | 15:06 |
| _nadya_ | eglynn: I think we have found one more use case for config-in-db. idegtiarov has describe it | 15:07 |
| fabiog | eglynn: we may then thing about how to connect the agents | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: can you confirm conf-datastore-agents is still not started? | 15:07 |
| fabiog | eglynn: I think that is the biggest part in contentious | 15:07 |
| gordc | eglynn: that's probably my reason for postponing, i don't think the idea to utilise feature is fully realised yet. | 15:07 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: no the agent work is started | 15:07 |
| fabiog | eglynn: but we need the api to be finished | 15:07 |
| eglynn | gordc: yes, my instinct is similar | 15:07 |
| fabiog | eglynn: so basically you need the db part first tobe in, then api and finally agent | 15:08 |
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| ildikov_ | I like the DB based config idea, but I also share the others' opinion regarding to include full features in main releases | 15:08 |
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| jd__ | I don't want to ship "dead" code | 15:09 |
| * linuxhermit agrees | 15:09 | |
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| eglynn | fabiog: would we loose much by postponing to liberty-1? | 15:09 |
| fabiog | well, then. I think it will be wise to have a session (again) at the summit on this and nail it once for all :-) | 15:09 |
| ildikov_ | I think it would be nice to have config related session(s) on the design summit | 15:09 |
| eglynn | fabiog: i.e. the foundational patches would be effectively unused anyway in kilo, so no real loss | 15:10 |
| fabiog | eglynn: no I think we can survive with it | 15:10 |
| ildikov_ | I think fabiog already mentioned it on the review of the db patch | 15:10 |
| cdent | ugh, got distracted, I'm here | 15:10 |
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| eglynn | are we edging towards rough consensus here? | 15:11 |
| fabiog | eglynn: so, since there is no consensus on merging it in Kilo we will propose an updated spec in Liberty and discuss it at the summit, is that a good plan? | 15:11 |
| eglynn | fabiog: yes, I think that's the wisest course | 15:11 |
| eglynn | fabiog: thank you sir! | 15:11 |
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| ildikov_ | fabiog: *1 | 15:11 |
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| idegtiarov | config in DB seems to be very useful in HA mode and that part also could be discussed on summit | 15:11 |
| ildikov_ | eglynn: do we have a session proposal page for the summit? | 15:12 |
| fabiog | idegtiarov: it is also useful for lifecycle management ... | 15:12 |
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| eglynn | otherwise the outstanding BP is the thermal data for Edwin, amiright? | 15:12 |
| ildikov_ | I think it is implemented | 15:12 |
| idegtiarov | fabiog: it also useful... | 15:12 |
| ildikov_ | eglynn: ^^^ | 15:12 |
| _nadya_ | fabiog: +1, thanks for patience | 15:13 |
| ildikov_ | eglynn: I mean I have a doc bug for it in OS Manuals... :) | 15:13 |
| eglynn | ildikov_: WRT design session page ... not yet, that usually happens much closer to summit | 15:13 |
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| llu-laptop | ildikov_: yes, manual needs a patch for the new measurements | 15:13 |
| ildikov_ | eglynn: np, I wasn't sure when we usually open it that is why I asked | 15:13 |
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| llu-laptop | ildikov_: what's the bug number? | 15:14 |
| ildikov_ | llu-laptop: I'm on it, but of course if anyone else would volunteer the stage is open ;) | 15:14 |
| ildikov_ | llu-laptop: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1430138 | 15:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1430138 in openstack-manuals " Add more power and thermal data" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:14 |
| eglynn | ildikov_: well it's up to us when we start thinking about liberty summit sessions | 15:15 |
| eglynn | ildikov_: so if you'd like to start collecting proposal early, please create a googledocs spreadsheet and share the link :) | 15:15 |
| eglynn | ... would be handy to capture fabiog's session at least while the ideas are still fresh | 15:15 |
| ildikov_ | eglynn: cool, I will discuss with fabiog if we need that this early, or prepare a bit and then propose session(s) | 15:16 |
| eglynn | ildikov_: thanks! | 15:16 |
| eglynn | fabiog: is your update related? | 15:16 |
| fabiog | eglynn: I will be leaving HP (after 15 years) next week | 15:17 |
| eglynn | dank_: wow! OMG | 15:17 |
| eglynn | fabiog: ^^^ | 15:17 |
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| eglynn | dank_: sorry, bad tab completion | 15:17 |
| fabiog | eglynn: the good news though is that I will join Cisco | 15:17 |
| eglynn | fabiog: well, congratulations! | 15:17 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: and I will be involved in ceilometer | 15:18 |
| eglynn | fabiog: excellent :) | 15:18 |
| fabiog | eglynn: and I will attend the summit | 15:18 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: we'll look forward to seeing you there :) | 15:18 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: me too | 15:19 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: I don't mean to pry, but is it Cisco Cloud Services division you'll be working for? | 15:19 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: yes | 15:19 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: a-ha, cool :) ... in which we may cross paths from a RH vendor PoV also as well as upstream | 15:20 |
| fabiog | eglynn: to be precise infrastructure | 15:20 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: yep, cloud is a small word ;-) | 15:21 |
| fabiog | world | 15:21 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: well congratulations again :) | 15:21 |
| fabiog | eglynn: thanks | 15:21 |
| fabiog | gordc: no more mesmorizing slides though :-) | 15:21 |
| gordc | fabiog: :( just copy background and whiteout hp logo. | 15:22 |
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| gordc | no legal issues there. | 15:23 |
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| eglynn | just use the upstream preso template and save yourself the logo change :) | 15:23 |
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| eglynn | k, let's move onto the delicious pasta-making | 15:24 |
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| eglynn | #topic gnocchi | 15:25 |
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| cdent | i've never eaten gnocchi, is it any good? seems like it would be...thick, pasty | 15:26 |
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| eglynn | cdent: very fattening I hear ;) | 15:27 |
| eglynn | cdent: congrats on joining gnocchi-core :) | 15:27 |
| jd__ | it's good! | 15:27 |
| eglynn | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/353,members | 15:27 |
| jd__ | I think we implemented a bunch of interesting things recently | 15:27 |
| cdent | thanks | 15:27 |
| * cdent agrees | 15:27 | |
| jd__ | we have the equivalent of Ceilometer complex query on resources | 15:27 |
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| jd__ | so you can look for anything in resources :) | 15:28 |
| jd__ | we have put that into the metric aggregation code too | 15:28 |
| jd__ | so you can do aggregation on metric from resources filtered using this kind of query | 15:28 |
| eglynn | jd__: excellent! | 15:28 |
| jd__ | now I'm adding measure search to finally have something like "give me instance with > 80 % CPU" or the like, I hope that'll be in time for K | 15:28 |
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| eglynn | for reference, see here for the latest landings ... https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:stackforge/gnocchi,n,z | 15:29 |
| sileht | I have started to write a new alarm rule kind to use this new format | 15:29 |
| jd__ | and sileht is updating alarm support following these changes | 15:29 |
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| eglynn | so the definitive gnocchi alarm code is now the copy in the ceilo repo? | 15:29 |
| sileht | eglynn, yes | 15:29 |
| eglynn | coolness | 15:29 |
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| cdent | I _may_ be picking up influxdb where eglynn left off if I can eke out the time. emphasis on the "may". | 15:30 |
| eglynn | cdent: that would be great | 15:30 |
| eglynn | so the data migration task | 15:30 |
| eglynn | sounds like we'll have to punt that to liberty timeframe? | 15:31 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: I think it's a safe bet | 15:31 |
| jd__ | it's likely than nobody will really want to migrate | 15:31 |
| jd__ | as they'll start fresh | 15:31 |
| jd__ | cdent: I'm interested in that too | 15:31 |
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| eglynn | i.e. migration from "classic" datastores to the featherlight gnochi equivalent | 15:32 |
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| eglynn | yeah some may want to start afresh | 15:32 |
| eglynn | esp. if just doing a PoC with gnocchi | 15:32 |
| eglynn | but others won't want to discard old data | 15:32 |
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| eglynn | I guess co-existence is the other option | 15:33 |
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| jd__ | I doubt we really have a lot of "others" | 15:33 |
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| jd__ | but we'll see I guess | 15:33 |
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| eglynn | i.e. query v2 API for your old data, gnocchi API for the newer | 15:33 |
| jd__ | if ops scream "how do I migrate my data" we'll do something | 15:33 |
| eglynn | ok | 15:33 |
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| ildikov_ | eglynn: with Ceilo it is usually suggested to use ttl with small inetrval, so it might be the case that it is easier for users to have a fresh start | 15:33 |
| linuxhermit | jd__ that will happen | 15:33 |
| cdent | If people really get anxious we can make an outside the normal release cycle migrator | 15:33 |
| cdent | in fact we should make most things that way ;) | 15:33 |
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| ildikov_ | eglynn: as who would like to store data longer should use an external data warehouse anyway | 15:34 |
| eglynn | speaking of ops screaming ... is that a good segue-way into https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PHL-ops-burning-issues ? | 15:34 |
| jd__ | cdent: we won't limit Gnocchi releases to the 6 months timeframe I think | 15:34 |
| gordc | *claps* kudos on the segue. | 15:34 |
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| cdent | "If ceilometer dies other services stop (for example Glance will not serve images to spin up a new VM)" <- WAT | 15:36 |
| cdent | That's a new one to me. Really? | 15:36 |
| llu-laptop | cdent: that puzzles me too | 15:36 |
| linuxhermit | we've seen that | 15:36 |
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| ildikov_ | is that because of the message queue under, or? | 15:36 |
| llu-laptop | linuxhermit: what's the situation? | 15:36 |
| gordc | linuxhermit: is it a ceilometer->heat->glance connection? | 15:36 |
| eglynn | cdent: I couldn't see that happening in reality either | 15:37 |
| linuxhermit | I don't know why, but I know it happens, and I don't have all the details | 15:37 |
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| fabiog | linuxhermit: yes, it is related to rabbitMQ | 15:37 |
| eglynn | #topic ops summit feedback | 15:37 |
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| linuxhermit | I do remember rabbit being part of it as well | 15:37 |
| cdent | I think the biggest issue we need to resolve is that the level of communication between us and the people using what we make is really really poor. | 15:37 |
| ildikov_ | I guess the queue gets filled up | 15:37 |
| eglynn | fabiog, linuxhermit: backpressure from rabbit as notifications are being consumed | 15:37 |
| eglynn | ? | 15:37 |
| eglynn | *aren't being consumed? | 15:38 |
| linuxhermit | eglynn I'll ask ops for more details | 15:38 |
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| fabiog | linuxhermit: and eglynn well, especially polling can slow down rabbit to a grinding halt | 15:38 |
| eglynn | linuxhermit: that would be excellent, as otherwise I'm finding that hard to fathom | 15:38 |
| gordc | linuxhermit: that'd be awesome... do we want a bug in meantime to track? | 15:38 |
| eglynn | gordc: yes please | 15:38 |
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| linuxhermit | gordc I was hesitant to create a bug until I had the details | 15:38 |
| linuxhermit | I'm in the camp that many thing getted blames on ceilo that might not be just that | 15:39 |
| sileht | Before Juno this is possible that the notifier can block but not more now | 15:39 |
| ildikov_ | cdent: the docco is still behind, we would need more hands there too | 15:39 |
| linuxhermit | realize many of the ops are still on Icehouse and a few on Juno etc | 15:39 |
| eglynn | also interesting ... "Customers more scared of new time series databases than mongo" | 15:39 |
| ildikov_ | cdent: I mean to identify what would be needed besides the already opened bugs and then fix the list of missing items | 15:39 |
| cdent | ildikov_: that's a good point too, but I'm mean general conversation/interaction | 15:39 |
| cdent | ideally these things on this etherpad would not be surprises | 15:40 |
| fabiog | eglynn: I think we should have an ops meeting at the summit to collect their complains and feature requests | 15:40 |
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| ildikov_ | cdent: sure, the marketing what linuxhermit mentioned earlier is also important | 15:40 |
| linuxhermit | I was in the room, but I didn't feel comfortable acting like a rep | 15:40 |
| eglynn | new TSDBs in that context == specifically carbonara I wonder? or == to influxdb/opentsdb/whatever | 15:40 |
| cdent | eglynn: not worth speculating we should just ask | 15:41 |
| linuxhermit | TSDB was gnocchi etc and influx | 15:41 |
| eglynn | fabiog: yes, if we could find a way to frame feedback in a constructive way | 15:41 |
| linuxhermit | it's not something that operators have had to manage that before | 15:41 |
| eglynn | cdent: fair point | 15:41 |
| ildikov_ | cdent: but finally, when someone uses a product the end user docco should be enough to show the right way to use it | 15:41 |
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| linuxhermit | eglynn The Nova PTL ran a great one of those at the summit | 15:41 |
| cdent | ildikov_++ | 15:41 |
| ildikov_ | fabiog: +1 | 15:41 |
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| linuxhermit | and people left feeling much better and happier | 15:41 |
| linuxhermit | ildikov_ ++ | 15:42 |
| cdent | We shouldn't fear the negative unconstructive feedback. It's like therapy: once it comes of the chest at least some small number of the people will become useful allies in the future. | 15:42 |
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| cdent | s/of/off/ | 15:42 |
| linuxhermit | cdent no also you can respond and dig at the root cause | 15:42 |
| linuxhermit | we know not doing mongo right is a problem | 15:42 |
| eglynn | cdent, linuxhermit: yes and yes | 15:43 |
| linuxhermit | but we don't have great guidance on that | 15:43 |
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| linuxhermit | and operators aren't used to running mongo | 15:43 |
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| linuxhermit | most of these people had vmware, oracle etc until they stood up open stack | 15:43 |
| eglynn | sileht had a good blog post I seem to remember with deployment guidance for mongo | 15:43 |
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| linuxhermit | we should find that and have a twitter/blog and repost it or link to it something | 15:44 |
| gordc | +1 to sileht post. | 15:44 |
| sileht | Just an example of how we do sharding with mongo | 15:44 |
| sileht | and configure ceilometer | 15:44 |
| linuxhermit | sileht those things are super handy | 15:44 |
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| * gordc has heard to many i have a single mongo node with no sharding scenarios | 15:44 | |
| linuxhermit | gordc exactly | 15:44 |
| eglynn | sileht: got a link handy for reference? | 15:44 |
| gordc | blog.sileht.net/using-a-shardingreplicaset-mongodb-with-ceilometer | 15:45 |
| sileht | The real issue is which key to use for splitting the db, and that depends of what you have decide to store with ceilometer | 15:45 |
| sileht | gordc, thx | 15:45 |
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| cdent | \o/ that felt vaguely like progress | 15:46 |
| linuxhermit | sileht those things are super good knowledge to share | 15:46 |
| linuxhermit | so my thoughts after going to the operators summit | 15:46 |
| linuxhermit | were that we need to communicate often with that group | 15:47 |
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| linuxhermit | and that we need to publish and share as much as possible | 15:47 |
| ildikov_ | linuxhermit: +1 | 15:47 |
| linuxhermit | SO MANY operators are looking for ANYTHING to replace ceilo | 15:47 |
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| linuxhermit | and often it's not ceilo to blame | 15:47 |
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| linuxhermit | but some other relyed upon resource | 15:48 |
| eglynn | let's start trying to gather the "tribal knowledge" in one easily discoverable place | 15:48 |
| linuxhermit | StackTach was pushed BIG time af the event | 15:48 |
| eglynn | ... e.g. linking blog posts like sileht's off the wiki | 15:48 |
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| linuxhermit | eglynn do we have a ceilometer blog/twitter etc? | 15:49 |
| eglynn | linuxhermit: well stackstach pre-dates ceilo and has always been pushed hard IME | 15:49 |
| linuxhermit | eglynn perhaps, but our team had been to several ops summits, and this was the first HUGE push of it they had seen | 15:49 |
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| eglynn | linuxhermit: re twitter, that would a nope ... is there a twitter account for stacktach? | 15:50 |
| eglynn | linuxhermit: push for stacktack standalone, or within monasca? | 15:50 |
| ildikov_ | linuxhermit: I guess that was triggered by the negative feedbacks on the MLs | 15:50 |
| linuxhermit | ildikov_ that and basically every carrier had a terrible story in the burning issues talk | 15:51 |
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| linuxhermit | part of Cisco and HP had positive rebuttals etc | 15:51 |
| eglynn | linuxhermit: sounds like we should have had more of a presence there to counter | 15:51 |
| linuxhermit | agreed | 15:51 |
| ildikov_ | linuxhermit: sure, I can imagine :( | 15:51 |
| cdent | It's obvious from the way stacktach presents itself on its web page that it is going for a full court marketing press on version 3 | 15:51 |
| _nadya_ | linuxhermit: I like the idea about blog/twitter. It would be really cool | 15:51 |
| linuxhermit | I want to help, and I'm just sharing what I saw | 15:52 |
| cdent | which is cool for them | 15:52 |
| * gordc wonders if i should mention i finished off some of stacktachs original integration bps... will wait after performance testing. | 15:52 | |
| cdent | they move quite outside the usual openstack circles though | 15:52 |
| ildikov_ | I was thinking about having a session on the summit about how to organize our marketing and have more eyes on feedbacks etc, but maybe that would be too late... | 15:53 |
| linuxhermit | cdent they are a redhat project | 15:53 |
| linuxhermit | s/redhat/rackspace | 15:53 |
| linuxhermit | so they got quite a bit of operator attention at their session | 15:53 |
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| linuxhermit | but it's not about us vs them | 15:54 |
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| linuxhermit | it's about us + community = awesome | 15:54 |
| eglynn | linuxhermit: yep, the RAX angle has always carried a lot of inbuilt operator kudos | 15:54 |
| eglynn | linuxhermit: agreed | 15:54 |
| linuxhermit | and it seems like the community needs some guidance help and education | 15:54 |
| ildikov_ | linuxhermit: yeap, agreed | 15:54 |
| eglynn | linuxhermit: though it not always easy to harness that community | 15:54 |
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| linuxhermit | agreed | 15:55 |
| linuxhermit | but I'm not sure what I've seen to foster that | 15:55 |
| eglynn | linuxhermit: OK, that's a very useful steer as to how we should organize ourselves for the Vancouver summit | 15:55 |
| cdent | yeah linuxhermit++ | 15:55 |
| linuxhermit | also my boss would totally send several of us to a ceilo midcycle | 15:55 |
| eglynn | linuxhermit: e.g. ops-oriented sessions, more active outreach etc. | 15:55 |
| linuxhermit | and they are making a bigger investment in ceilo atm | 15:55 |
| ildikov_ | eglynn: +1, that was my thought also | 15:56 |
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| linuxhermit | eglynn completely agree | 15:56 |
| gordc | linuxhermit: good to hear :) | 15:56 |
| eglynn | linuxhermit: yes, the cancellation of the midcycle was deflationary in retrospect | 15:56 |
| ildikov_ | linuxhermit: it's very good to hear! | 15:56 |
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| cdent | before we run out of time I wanted to mention that I've started the process of moving ceilometerclient functional tests out of tempest and into the repo | 15:57 |
| eglynn | cdent: good, good | 15:57 |
| linuxhermit | cdent nice | 15:57 |
| cdent | it's the-thing-to-do these days, and is pretty straightforward | 15:57 |
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| eglynn | coolness | 15:58 |
| eglynn | shotclock is against us | 15:58 |
| eglynn | shall we call it a wrap? | 15:58 |
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| ildikov_ | just one more tiny thing | 15:58 |
| eglynn | ildikov_: shoot | 15:58 |
| ildikov_ | it would be nice to get rid of the "please rebase" comments on gerrit | 15:59 |
| eglynn | review etiquette 101 :) | 15:59 |
| _nadya_ | ildikov_: ++ :) | 15:59 |
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| ildikov_ | sorry, we had a lot nowadays, so I just wanted make a heads up :) | 16:00 |
| gordc | :) | 16:00 |
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| gordc | and we're done i guess? | 16:00 |
| ildikov_ | yeap :) | 16:01 |
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| eglynn | #endmeeting ceilometer | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 12 16:01:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ceilometer/2015/openstack_ceilometer.2015-03-12-15.01.html | 16:01 |
| linuxhermit | thank you all | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ceilometer/2015/openstack_ceilometer.2015-03-12-15.01.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ceilometer/2015/openstack_ceilometer.2015-03-12-15.01.log.html | 16:01 |
| gordc | laters! | 16:01 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 12 17:00:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | hi, who's here today? | 17:00 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_March_12th_2015_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:00 |
| dkranz | o/ | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 17:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 17:00 |
| riwinters | hi | 17:00 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 17:01 |
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| dstanek | hi | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf, afazekas, sdague, jogo: courtesy ping | 17:02 |
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| sdague | o/ | 17:02 |
| afazekas | o/ | 17:02 |
| andreaf | o/ | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | ok let's get started | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | #topic Specs Reviews | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs Reviews (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:02 | |
| mtreinish | are there any qa specs reviews to bring up this week? | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | heh, I guess not | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | ok then let's move on | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 17:04 |
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| jogo | o/ | 17:04 |
| jlanoux | o/ | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | are there any blueprints open that someone would like to discuss? | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | well I guess I'll mention the test accounts continued bp | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | we've landed the first part of that, which is roles support for the accounts.yaml file | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | now all 3 cred_providers can provide accounts with arbitrary roles (including admin) | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | the only big piece left for that bp is the network part, so we'll be able to express which network should be used w/ tenants | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | are there any other bps to bring up? | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: ^^^ ? | 17:07 |
| andreaf | perhaps a couple of updates | 17:07 |
| andreaf | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/multi-keystone-api-version-tests | 17:07 |
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| andreaf | I prepared all patches needed to complete that | 17:07 |
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| andreaf | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:+bp/multi-keystone-api-version-tests+status:open,n,z | 17:08 |
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| andreaf | once those three are merged we should be able to close the bp | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: the bp also lists the v3 in the stress tests has that been taken care of too? | 17:09 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: yes it does | 17:10 |
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| afazekas | #NOTE: we need to handle token skopes in-order to pass with etc/policy.v3cloudsample.json | 17:10 |
| andreaf | afazekas: I don't think that is part of the bp - I would consider it as an extra | 17:11 |
| andreaf | afazekas: else that bp will never end | 17:11 |
| afazekas | :) | 17:11 |
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| andreaf | The other bp is tempest-lib migration - there as well we're almost ready to move token clients and auth to tempest-lib | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: are there any reviews needed to help push that around? Or is just the act of doing the migration left? | 17:13 |
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| andreaf | only the migration | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | ok | 17:14 |
| andreaf | afazekas: do you think supporting the v3 policy will require changes to auth.py? | 17:14 |
| andreaf | afazekas, mtreinish: I think auth should be general enough so that it should work just by making changes in tests and base classes / tenant isolation | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: yeah I think since jamielennox add support for the domain scopes it should be good to go | 17:16 |
| afazekas | andreaf: I am unsure about this , looks like Jamie Lennox has more idea about this | 17:16 |
| andreaf | ok I will check with jamielennox if he's happy, and prepare the migration in parallel | 17:16 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: even if there are future changes needed after we make the lib migration we can do them. We just have to worry about backwards compat | 17:17 |
| andreaf | sure | 17:17 |
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| mtreinish | ok, are there any other bps to bring up? Otherwise let's move on | 17:18 |
| andreaf | regarding the resource-cleanup bp, it's amost done, there are a few patches outstanding only | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: just some last split patches? | 17:18 |
| andreaf | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/resource-cleanup,n,z | 17:18 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: my patches in that list however still need a bit more work | 17:19 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: there're more about optimizing things once the split is complete | 17:20 |
| andreaf | s/there/they | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: ok | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | ok, in the interest of time let's move on | 17:21 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: the ssh-auth-strategy is still WIP, but getting close | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: ok cool | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | let me know if any assistance is needed on that one | 17:21 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: yes we will need reviews once the first set of patches is ready | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | #topic Devstack | 17:22 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: still around? | 17:22 |
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| dtroyer | yup | 17:22 |
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| dtroyer | I've refreshed the venv patches and added a global USE_VENV control, series starts with https://review.openstack.org/162783 | 17:23 |
| sdague | ok, cool. Need to take a lot on that series | 17:23 |
| dtroyer | it's passing with it turned off, running now with it turned on | 17:23 |
| sdague | btw, the operator meetup put a different spin on this | 17:23 |
| sdague | as they apparently largely want the global requirements sync | 17:24 |
| dtroyer | I've forgotten if we have taled about how to run this ongoing…do we need a new job template? | 17:24 |
| dtroyer | heh, nice | 17:24 |
| sdague | yeh, we should make another job I think | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: yeah it makes sense to have it as a separate job, even if just running on devstack | 17:24 |
| afazekas | dtroyer: Are you planning to support to use just single venv with allowed site-packages ? | 17:25 |
| dtroyer | ok, lets work through that later, I'm a lost boy in project-config repo | 17:25 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: sure I can give you a hand with that | 17:25 |
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| dtroyer | afazekas: it's totally configurable. right now it's a per-project venv, but can easily be changed from local.conf | 17:25 |
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| mtreinish | the other thing I have to add on the venvs is my patch to cache them in nodepool landed | 17:26 |
| afazekas | dtroyer: I am ok with the currently proposed patches, but I would like to have a simple single opt for this, instead of configuring it per project | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | still waiting on jogo's d-g patch to use it: | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160933/ | 17:27 |
| dtroyer | mtreinish: right, thanks. have images with that enabled been used yet? | 17:27 |
| dtroyer | ok | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: build_wheels is being called according to the nodepool logs so it should be on the images | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | we're just not using it yet | 17:27 |
| dtroyer | afazekas: looks like we're going to need to talk about what the defaults will be still…it's much better to develop it this way though as it has exposed a lot of interesting little assumptions | 17:28 |
| jogo | sdague: you have +2 on that repo right? | 17:28 |
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| sdague | yeh, I'll look | 17:29 |
| dtroyer | also, I've planned to wait to start backporting until master is going…is that still a good plan? | 17:29 |
| sdague | dtroyer: yes, lets get master sorted first | 17:29 |
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| dtroyer | ok | 17:29 |
| afazekas | dtroyer, I comment what is my vision here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161161/ , a single venv with use site packages is very close to that | 17:30 |
| dtroyer | afazekas: heh, use-site-packages isn't in our plans atm…I'll go read that though | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | ok, is there anything else to discuss on devstack? | 17:31 |
| dtroyer | getting away from the packages is actually the current direction… | 17:31 |
| dtroyer | that's all from me | 17:31 |
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| mtreinish | ok, then let's move on | 17:32 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Grenade | 17:32 |
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| mtreinish | is there anything to talk about in the world of grenade this week? | 17:32 |
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| sdague | I think EmilienM had grenade questions | 17:33 |
| sdague | sorry javelin questions | 17:33 |
| EmilienM | I'm doing floating ip in javelin2: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163622/ | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163622 | 17:33 |
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| EmilienM | maybe my patch is not correct, I would love some feedbacks | 17:34 |
| jogo | mtreinish: also https://review.openstack.org/163773 | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | EmilienM: ok I'll take a look after the meeting | 17:34 |
| jogo | will try to look at both later today | 17:34 |
| EmilienM | we may want to be able to run javelin in multi node env | 17:34 |
| EmilienM | mtreinish: awesome, thx. | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | EmilienM: is it just a patch to use floating ip for ssh when needed? | 17:34 |
| EmilienM | mtreinish: for ping | 17:34 |
| EmilienM | but I use the ssh flag | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | ah ok | 17:35 |
| EmilienM | in a multi node env, you can't reach namespace | 17:35 |
| EmilienM | so I implemented floating IP | 17:35 |
| EmilienM | so you can test the ping | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | EmilienM: ooh, you're using javelin in a multinode env? | 17:35 |
| EmilienM | and I do it of the use_floatingip_for_ssh flag is a true | 17:35 |
| EmilienM | mtreinish: yes | 17:36 |
| EmilienM | we use it for QA | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | EmilienM: interesting, I'll probably ping you at some point for more details, because I'm curious :) | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163773/ | 17:37 |
| EmilienM | mtreinish: anytime | 17:37 |
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| mtreinish | ok is there anything else to discuss on grenade? | 17:37 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Neutron shared network testing | 17:38 |
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| mtreinish | this topic has been deferred from the past 2 meetings | 17:39 |
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| mtreinish | I'm not sure who put it on the agenda though | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: for some reason I thought it was you? :) | 17:39 |
| afazekas | me | 17:39 |
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| mtreinish | heh, ok go ahead | 17:39 |
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| afazekas | So at the moment looks like I had to -2 this change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124998/ | 17:40 |
| afazekas | because testing shared networks in tempest is not safe | 17:40 |
| afazekas | Looks like the only way to make it safe is ALWAYS specifying a network at nova boot | 17:40 |
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| afazekas | Does anyone has any objections against it or better solution ? | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: sigh, yeah that's been a big long standing bug | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | hogepodge was hitting it earlier this week just against an existing deployment | 17:41 |
| afazekas | It is 3th proposed patch for shared net test if I am counting correctly.. | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | there is a patch up somewhere which starts to address this as a short term fix (by adding the network id to each of the create server helpers) | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | the long term solution is the test accounts bp and the ssh auth improvements one | 17:42 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: AFAIK not yet, we need to fix at least in 3 places: api,scenario,boto | 17:42 |
| afazekas | probbaly we also need to specify network for the tests where we omited it and we boot the vms without network | 17:43 |
| afazekas | unless we cen specify the `No NETWORK` explicitly on the api | 17:43 |
| marun | long term, this kind of scenario testing should be done in the project tree in a test-controlled environment imho | 17:43 |
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| mtreinish | marun: maybe for testing the shared networks explicitly, but we also have this issue running a tempest test against an env with a share network | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | so it needs to be fixed anyway | 17:44 |
| afazekas | marun, can you support shared net testing in neutron in similar way as tempest without this issue ? | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: yeah IIRC that was what the patch was trying to do just adding the network id everywhere to prevent this | 17:45 |
| marun | I'm just saying that not all testing is best done without control of the env | 17:45 |
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| mtreinish | I think it might have been from bnemec, but I can seem to find it | 17:45 |
| bnemec | Oh, the multiple networks thing? | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | yeah | 17:46 |
| bnemec | Yeah, I ran out of steam on that. :-( | 17:46 |
| afazekas | mtreinish, So adding net id everywhere is an agreed and good solution ? (yes/no) | 17:46 |
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| marun | tempest's mission to do just that suggest that this kind of testing doesn't belong there | 17:46 |
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| marun | afazekas: definitely | 17:47 |
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| mtreinish | afazekas: yeah it'll be the short term fix. Long term we should consolidate the create server helpers and just do it there | 17:47 |
| mtreinish | bnemec: do you have the link? | 17:47 |
| bnemec | I'm looking, but I didn't own the original change so it's a little tricky to find. | 17:48 |
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| mtreinish | bnemec: no worries, yeah I had trouble finding it too | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | ok, is there anything else on this topic? | 17:49 |
| bnemec | mtreinish: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61037/ | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61037/ | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | great thanks | 17:49 |
| bnemec | np | 17:50 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: can we make sure we have time for the last two topics? | 17:50 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: yes I was going to do those next | 17:50 |
| afazekas | If nova not able to do it already, probbaly I will ask for an API option to allow to specify booting vm without network.. | 17:50 |
| mtreinish | #topic Can we freeze development of Neutron api tests? (marun) | 17:51 |
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| mtreinish | afazekas: heh, I thought you could do that, but I dunno | 17:51 |
| marun | So, we have a snapshot of the api tests running as part of the neutron api job. | 17:51 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: now we do it implicitly in tempest , the tenant has zero network in some cases | 17:52 |
| marun | My intention is to update from tempest regularly until we can designate a point to freeze development in tempest (not remove, just move development focus to neutron tree). | 17:52 |
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| marun | mtreinish: What needs to happen to freeze work in tempest and move the focus to neutron? | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | marun: are you talking about freezing new tests or all changes in api.network? | 17:53 |
| marun | mtreinish: The latter. | 17:53 |
| marun | mtreinish: maybe 'manual changes in api.network' is a more apt description | 17:53 |
| marun | mtreinish: until the tests are removed we may need to maintain in tempest | 17:54 |
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| marun | mtreinish: but I'd like to see manual changes take place in neutron first | 17:54 |
| marun | mtreinish: make sense? | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | that might get tricky because there are a number of in flight refactors going on right now and I'm sure they'll probably touch it | 17:54 |
| marun | mtreinish: when will those refactors be done then? | 17:54 |
| marun | mtreinish: I'm not asking for an immediate freeze, but I do want to set a timeline | 17:55 |
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| afazekas | Do we want to enforce the tempest api tests should not be changed at the same time (change), when the code also changed in-order to enforce api compatibility ? | 17:55 |
| mtreinish | the 2 big bps I'm thinking of probably not until right up until the release | 17:55 |
| marun | afazekas: we intend to enforce that in the neutron repo, yes. | 17:55 |
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| mtreinish | marun: what I'd really like to say is we can freeze everything when all the pieces you need are in the lib | 17:56 |
| afazekas | marun, imho it is sufficient | 17:56 |
| mtreinish | but we can freeze new test dev sooner | 17:56 |
| dkranz | marun: +1 | 17:56 |
| marun | mtreinish: How long would we be freezing test dev for though? | 17:56 |
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| marun | mtreinish: I think we have new features landing this cycle that need new tests before release. | 17:57 |
| marun | mtreinish: To clarify, the bp's in question are about moving functioanlity to tempest-lib? | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | marun: no they're refactors needed before we can consider doing that | 17:58 |
| mtreinish | for things like the cred_providers and ssh/guest verification | 17:58 |
| marun | mtreinish: is there a reason that couldn't be done external to test freeze? | 17:58 |
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| marun | mtreinish: we're talking api tests only | 17:58 |
| marun | so ssh/guest doesn't seem applicable | 17:58 |
| marun | cred_providers, I'm also not sure why tests would be affected | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | marun: that's what I was saying it could be a staged thing we stop adding new api tests and do them in neutron, then everything in that dir, then go through the deletion procedure | 17:59 |
| marun | test infrastructure, sure | 17:59 |
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| marun | mtreinish: ah, ok. | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | marun: they both will change how servers and other resources will be created | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | at least to a certain extent | 17:59 |
| marun | mtreinish: so the refactor work would mainly be about keeping the tempest-maintained tests running rather than modifying their logic | 18:00 |
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| mtreinish | marun: yeah | 18:00 |
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| marun | mtreinish: so we should be able to take over responsibility for maintanance ahead of the refactor being completed? | 18:00 |
| afazekas | Are we planning to migrate the test ids ? | 18:00 |
| mtreinish | anyway we're at time, I'll add this and the other topic to the agenda for next week | 18:00 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: we'll have to | 18:00 |
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| mtreinish | that migration to tempest-lib should happen soon | 18:00 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 18:00 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: have a few minutes in #qa? | 18:00 |
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| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 12 18:01:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-03-12-17.00.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-03-12-17.00.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-03-12-17.00.log.html | 18:01 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: a few, I'm kinda hungry too :) | 18:01 |
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| dtroyer | ping: dhellmann, stevemar, briancurtin, terrylhowe, lhcheng | 18:02 |
| dtroyer | #startmeeting OpenStackClient | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 12 18:02:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStackClient)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 18:02 |
| dtroyer | who is here today? | 18:02 |
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| briancurtin | I'm in another meeting but keeping an eye out here (I'm mostly an observer at the moment anyway) | 18:03 |
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| dtroyer | briancurtin: at this rate it'll be an easy meeting to multitask | 18:04 |
| stevemar | o/ | 18:04 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer, present | 18:04 |
| stevemar | looks like we didn't break anything this release | 18:04 |
| stevemar | yay | 18:04 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: that means we didn't try hard enough… 1.1.0 is yet to come ;) | 18:05 |
| stevemar | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/OpenStackClient | 18:05 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, any word on project proposal status? | 18:05 |
| dtroyer | well, it's light today anyway | 18:05 |
| dtroyer | ok, for the record | 18:05 |
| dtroyer | #topic project proposal | 18:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "project proposal (Meeting topic: OpenStackClient)" | 18:05 | |
| dtroyer | The TC is still stewing over just what and when they will do anything. | 18:06 |
| stevemar | dst times were screwing me up | 18:06 |
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| dtroyer | there are at least 4 project proposals, from a summary that jogo put together, ours seems to be the easiest but I don't think anything will happen for a while. | 18:06 |
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| dtroyer | it's been almost three years, another <time-units> doesn't make much difference | 18:07 |
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| dtroyer | anyway, that was the only open action from last meeting | 18:07 |
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| stevemar | the proposal looks solid | 18:08 |
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| stevemar | apparently i can't even +1 it | 18:08 |
| dtroyer | nope, TC-only, although you can leave a comment, and are encouraged to do so. applies to everyone, not just our team | 18:09 |
| stevemar | #action everyone leave a comment here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161885/ | 18:09 |
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| dtroyer | #topic release plans | 18:09 |
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| dtroyer | aside from whatever bugs we collect before then, I'd like to get a pencil list of the things we want in the next release. Plans are for it to be 1.1.0 and have some new bits to show off | 18:10 |
| dtroyer | also, note that proposals regarding libraries and versioning around integrated releases would have us doing a 1.1.0 rev soon anyway, should we decide to follow that process. | 18:11 |
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| stevemar | aside from os-client-config is there anything else you think is worth showing off? | 18:12 |
| stevemar | other items are cache, and ... neutron support / cinder v2 support | 18:12 |
| dtroyer | that's the big one for me, the other user-visible one is getting some caching in place | 18:12 |
| dtroyer | cinder v2 is important, I don't know how long that will take, and who is going to do it | 18:13 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, i could try to do it between kilo release and summit | 18:13 |
| stevemar | provided i'm not crazy busy with $dayjob | 18:14 |
| dtroyer | As far as neutron, one thing I want to do sooner that later is work out what stuff overlaps with nova-net and get the commands designed to be able to use either one transparently | 18:14 |
| stevemar | with that one, i have no neutron knowledge | 18:14 |
| dtroyer | I did a poc, and IIRc we already have something that dies the service catalog check | 18:14 |
| stevemar | or nova-net | 18:14 |
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| dtroyer | I was also hoping to not need to bring in neutronclient, but I don't see that possible with the time I have available | 18:15 |
| jogo | dtroyer: you need to make sure no one objects to you being PTL | 18:15 |
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| jogo | dtroyer: just a formality though | 18:16 |
| stevemar | jogo, we say that in the review? | 18:16 |
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| dtroyer | jogo: sure…I'll let anyone else who wants the job say so… | 18:16 |
| stevemar | not it | 18:17 |
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| jogo | stevemar: The leadership is chosen by the contributors to the project | 18:17 |
| jogo | http://governance.openstack.org/reference/new-projects-requirements.html | 18:17 |
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| jogo | doesn't have to be a formal election or anything | 18:18 |
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| jogo | IMHO something in the weekly meeting notes is enough | 18:18 |
| dtroyer | we do have a quorum of cores today… ;) | 18:18 |
| stevemar | jogo, that comment was a joke :) | 18:18 |
| stevemar | ha | 18:18 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, start a vote and get it over with? | 18:18 |
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| jogo | stevemar: well the real question is anyone else want the gig? | 18:19 |
| jogo | if not, by default ... | 18:19 |
| stevemar | nope | 18:19 |
| dtroyer | well, cores != contributors. I suppose we should make a list following the usual guidelines and go from there | 18:19 |
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| dtroyer | so let's start with that | 18:19 |
| dtroyer | #action anyone wanting to run for OSC PTL please send an email to the -dev ML before the next meeting | 18:20 |
| dtroyer | at that point we can decide how to proceed, election if more than one | 18:20 |
| dtroyer | #action dtroyer to get an OSC contributor list per the usual OpenStack voting guidelines | 18:21 |
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| dtroyer | ok, let's skip straight to… | 18:22 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, just do (git log --format='%aN' | sort -u) | 18:22 |
| dtroyer | #topic open discussion | 18:22 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar: that needs a date filter in it, one ywar, but I need to sort out the cutoff date | 18:22 |
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| dtroyer | IIRc we're at around 62 overall | 18:23 |
| dtroyer | moulo a couple of multiple-email folk | 18:23 |
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| stevemar | true | 18:24 |
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| stevemar | lemme look at the bugs | 18:24 |
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| stevemar | oh ... thoughts on this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1429330 ? | 18:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1429330 in python-openstackclient "Upload of mapping rules does not honor JSON format" [Undecided,New] | 18:24 |
| stevemar | i just closed https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1424520 in favor of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+spec/neutron-client | 18:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1424520 in python-openstackclient "Openstackclient needs more neutron functionality" [Undecided,Invalid] - Assigned to Satyanarayana Patibandla (satya-patibandla) | 18:25 |
| dtroyer | at some level it would be nice to take our output and be able to feed it right back in. I don't know if OSC generated that kind of output (the data, not json) | 18:26 |
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| stevemar | that sounds gnarly | 18:27 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, two other things 1) renaming the project to just openstackclient (jamie opened a bug for this) | 18:27 |
| dtroyer | I do not think that accepting random curl-derived JSON is our responsibility though | 18:28 |
| dtroyer | ah, the renaming… | 18:28 |
| dtroyer | I agree with him, but am not sure how/when we should do that. | 18:28 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, i thought so, and i am happy with the current impl of the mapping rules... but wanted a fundamental statement for that | 18:28 |
| dtroyer | I've started creating my plugin repos with osc-* names | 18:28 |
| stevemar | we don't accept {user:{name:x, id:y}} in general | 18:29 |
| stevemar | that leads me to another point | 18:29 |
| stevemar | bknudson, brought it up | 18:29 |
| stevemar | what do you think of having osc-keystone, osc-nova, osc-glance, etc projects? | 18:29 |
| dtroyer | splitting the existing client bits out? | 18:30 |
| dtroyer | first off, it's be osc-identity, etc | 18:30 |
| stevemar | splitting the exisitng CLI bits | 18:30 |
| bknudson | I suggested put it in python-kyestoneclient | 18:30 |
| bknudson | keystoneclient | 18:30 |
| stevemar | gosh no | 18:30 |
| dtroyer | but I'm not sure I want to split everything out, that compounds the dependency management stuff. | 18:30 |
| stevemar | let that be a python lib | 18:30 |
| bknudson | dtroyer: you wouldn't have to worry about it anymore, it's keystone's problem. | 18:31 |
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| bknudson | or do you want to make it easy to switch to sdk? | 18:31 |
| dtroyer | bknudson: I worry too much already about things changing out from under us. one of the reasons we have a consistent comamnd set is that one group controls how they look, that's what the 'C' in OSC stands for (so he says when convenient) | 18:31 |
| dtroyer | switching to sdk is/was a long-term goal | 18:32 |
| dtroyer | I don't have a timeline for that | 18:32 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer, i was thinking just having the CLI bits in different repos, and we can import them, they would each be plugins | 18:33 |
| dtroyer | I really want to keep the 'layer 1/2' service CLIs in OSC directly. everything else we can argue about; my default will be separate | 18:33 |
| bknudson | seems like the openstack project in general needs to figure out how to split up work and have it still be consistent. | 18:33 |
| * stevemar feels like he didn't explain it well enough the first time | 18:33 | |
| dtroyer | bknudson: and how has that worked for us so far? ;) | 18:33 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: I think I know what you meant. for the basic services, I don't want users to have to manage any more dependencies than necessary. If we develop and release them in lock-step, what is the benefit of a split? | 18:34 |
| bknudson | dtroyer: it's consistently inconsistent. | 18:34 |
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| dtroyer | for example, we already have a huge discrepency with the congress plugin. they prefixed _every_ command with 'congress'. it's the only one I know of to do that, against my advice. so… | 18:36 |
| stevemar | blah | 18:36 |
| stevemar | thats silly | 18:36 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer, its usage is: `openstack congress <resource> <action>` ? | 18:36 |
| dtroyer | yes | 18:37 |
| stevemar | wth | 18:37 |
| dtroyer | it's a natural reaction to having to think globally. | 18:37 |
| stevemar | this was one of the reasons i thought separate repos was a good idea | 18:37 |
| stevemar | we could share core-ness like oslo does | 18:37 |
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| bknudson | or have a rule that dtroyer or stevemar has to +2 every change. | 18:38 |
| dtroyer | I don't see how pulling out compute and friends keeps us from doing that with higher layer projects | 18:38 |
| bknudson | you're essentially the gatekeepers now. | 18:38 |
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| stevemar | well for compute, identity we could keep in osc, with all layer 1/2 guys | 18:38 |
| stevemar | (this is all shooting from the hip) | 18:39 |
| bknudson | it might make it easier for developers to find their changes... (e.g., I'd subscribe to osc-identity) | 18:39 |
| stevemar | i was hoping to spread the work load so i'm not re-implementing cinder v2 and swift and ... and ... | 18:39 |
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| dtroyer | so is the current small core them the real bottleneck? | 18:40 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, i dunno, theres a hangup with adoption | 18:40 |
| dtroyer | I'd love to add to that, but you have to have known and active people to do that | 18:40 |
| stevemar | we gotta figure out why folks aren't buying what we're selling | 18:40 |
| bknudson | it is disappointing to see keystone the only ones who seem to be interested in deprecating the cli | 18:40 |
| bknudson | other groups seem to be loving their clis. | 18:40 |
| dtroyer | neutron is too | 18:40 |
| bknudson | ah, great. | 18:41 |
| dtroyer | swift is too, but in a different manner | 18:41 |
| stevemar | i don't want osc to become `just use it for keystone v3` and just nova/glance/etc cli for everything else | 18:41 |
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| dtroyer | they both don't want to keep maintaining their currelt clis much longer | 18:41 |
| notmyname | for swift, that's been more of an aspiration thing that clearly hasn't resulted in any actual coding | 18:41 |
| notmyname | IMO | 18:41 |
| bknudson | maybe once a couple of groups do it users will start wondering why they're doing nova for some things and openstack for the rest. | 18:42 |
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| dtroyer | notmyname: that still puts you ahead of most of the other projects | 18:42 |
| stevemar | notmyname, is there anything thats preventing y'all? | 18:42 |
| bknudson | (because now they're wondering why they're doing openstack for some things and not keystone) | 18:42 |
| notmyname | stevemar: prioritization and motivation, mostly | 18:42 |
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| stevemar | notmyname, we can't help the prioritization part, that will come from tc/user feedback, but we can help with the motivation part? | 18:43 |
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| stevemar | i need something more tangible :) | 18:43 |
| stevemar | that should read "but can we help with ... ?" | 18:44 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: sadly, you might be the only one doing this as a normal part of $DAY_JOB. | 18:44 |
| dtroyer | it's <20% for me overall | 18:44 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, s/sadly/likely | 18:44 |
| notmyname | stevemar: no, it's mostly that python-swiftclient does mostly work and our respective employers want us working on EC, encryption, performance (in swift), bugs, etc, etc | 18:44 |
| bknudson | stevemar: btw - this is exactly the kind of thing deployers are asking for... more consistency. | 18:44 |
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| dtroyer | and there lies a bit part of the issue. people writing checks don't see anything client-side outside of horizon (and competitors) wothwhile | 18:45 |
| stevemar | bknudson, i know they are, our (openstacks) UX stinks | 18:45 |
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| stevemar | anyway, food for thought i guess | 18:47 |
| stevemar | we're not going to reach a conclusion here :) | 18:47 |
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| dtroyer | what???? | 18:47 |
| dtroyer | Resolution Now! | 18:47 |
| dtroyer | oh, wait, that's 'Serenity Now!' | 18:48 |
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| dtroyer | fwiw, I do see the value in other optional plugins, such as the osc-debug I've been playing with | 18:48 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, i think thats all i have | 18:49 |
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| dtroyer | whether they are part of a project lib or stand-alone, it's a good idea. I'm just not sure about moving out any of the current project plugins. Think of ways to convince me and we'll have some $COLD_BEVERAGE in Vancouver | 18:49 |
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| dtroyer | one more thing, since it's a current review: https://review.openstack.org/161302 | 18:50 |
| stevemar | rethinking it now, and if we did go that route then i'd prefer our current guys stay put | 18:50 |
| dtroyer | do you have an opinion on using —remite-id-file or just —file or what should that look like? | 18:50 |
| stevemar | i haven't reviewed yet because the server side pieces aren't in place yet | 18:51 |
| dtroyer | ah, ok. then I don't feel so bad about dragging my feet on it | 18:51 |
| stevemar | nah don't | 18:51 |
| stevemar | oh in the case that there are so many remote-ids that we need a file | 18:51 |
| stevemar | should --remote-id be --remote-id x --remote-id y | 18:52 |
| stevemar | (looking at the doc it says comma separated) | 18:52 |
| dtroyer | I suggested that, that's when the 'there's so many' bit came up | 18:52 |
| stevemar | screw that, copy and paste | 18:52 |
| stevemar | we don't do comma separated anywhere | 18:52 |
| dtroyer | I prefer the multiple option, but for just values (as poopsed to attr=value pairs) a list os palatable, but not quite consisent | 18:53 |
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| dtroyer | I think we do, there's a couple on the neutron proposals | 18:53 |
| stevemar | i don't like --remote-id-file, doesn't seem riht | 18:53 |
| stevemar | so we don't *yet* :D | 18:53 |
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| stevemar | the other identity commands are all repeaters | 18:54 |
| stevemar | and we are giving a file option | 18:54 |
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| dtroyer | I can;t say for sure, I haven't exhaustively looked since this came up | 18:54 |
| stevemar | so... | 18:54 |
| stevemar | if it's that many, use a file | 18:54 |
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| dtroyer | ok. we need a argparse action for list, that's easy to do, but I don't think Marco wants to do it | 18:55 |
| stevemar | i'll do it | 18:55 |
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| stevemar | for the file, i'm okay with just --file tbh | 18:55 |
| stevemar | --remote-id-file sounds weird | 18:55 |
| dtroyer | that's what we used in image create | 18:55 |
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| dtroyer | but that was to pull the named resource, not an option atribute | 18:56 |
| dtroyer | but I can live with it | 18:56 |
| stevemar | i suppose | 18:56 |
| stevemar | fine fine | 18:56 |
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| dtroyer | wow, we managed to fill up an hour anyway… | 18:56 |
| dtroyer | ok, thanks | 18:57 |
| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 18:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 12 18:57:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-03-12-18.02.html | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-03-12-18.02.txt | 18:57 |
| lhcheng | ugh I'm an hour late | 18:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-03-12-18.02.log.html | 18:57 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer, commented | 18:58 |
| stevemar | lhcheng, hehe | 18:58 |
| stevemar | we pinged you! | 18:58 |
| lhcheng | isn't the meeting 19:00 utc? | 18:58 |
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| * dhellmann must have had a calendar fail, too | 18:58 | |
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| dtroyer | oh…stevemar, did we go too early??? | 18:59 |
| lhcheng | you guys are an hour early? :P | 18:59 |
| stevemar | oh is that so?! | 18:59 |
| stevemar | haha | 18:59 |
| stevemar | we did! | 18:59 |
| stevemar | thats great | 18:59 |
| dtroyer | it may have been me with the calendar fail | 18:59 |
| stevemar | take 2? | 18:59 |
| dtroyer | sure, why not? | 18:59 |
| lhcheng | haha | 18:59 |
| * lhcheng reading logs to catch up | 19:00 | |
| dtroyer | #startmeeting OpenStackClient | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 12 19:00:44 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStackClient)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:00 |
| dtroyer | so, first of all my apologies for getting the time wrong | 19:01 |
| dtroyer | stevemar and I had a nice conversation ;) | 19:01 |
| lhcheng | 18:06:19 <stevemar> dst times were screwing me up | 19:01 |
| lhcheng | lol | 19:01 |
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| dtroyer | #topic recap | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "recap (Meeting topic: OpenStackClient)" | 19:02 | |
| dtroyer | the outstanding action was for me to submit the project proposal, done | 19:02 |
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| dtroyer | jogo mentioned that we didn't actually elect me as PTL, so we'll give a week for anyone to want to run and decide next week if we need to have an election | 19:03 |
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| dtroyer | I will have a list of contributors within the last year (actual date tbd) ready by then | 19:04 |
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| dtroyer | #topic release plans | 19:05 |
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| dtroyer | I'd like the next release to be 1.1.0 and include some of the new stuff we've been working on. | 19:06 |
| lhcheng | dtroyer: do we have a date for that? or depends on the time when we get to finish the big features? | 19:08 |
| stevemar | lhcheng, lets try to keep the average of 1 month up | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | that includes —os-cloud support and some neutron support, particularly the bits that overlap with nova-net | 19:08 |
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| stevemar | its a lot of stuff, but with rc time around the bend we should have more time | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | I was thinking this might wind up being close to Kilo timeframe, not sure | 19:09 |
| lhcheng | sounds good | 19:09 |
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| stevemar | also we said that the latest release didn't break anything yay! | 19:09 |
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| dtroyer | dhellmann has a proposal for library releases that call for a minor bunp around the integrated release to facillitate stable branching. I'm not sure that we need to do that but I don't see a reason not to | 19:10 |
| lhcheng | stevemar: \o/ | 19:10 |
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| dhellmann | dtroyer: yeah, I'd have to think more about it but it seems easy enough to do that maybe spending too much timing thinking would be a waste of effort :-) | 19:11 |
| dtroyer | also cinder v2 needs to get going soon, we don't want to get caught wihtout that when v1 goes away | 19:11 |
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| dtroyer | but I don't think we will wait on v2 for the next release | 19:12 |
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| dtroyer | anyhting else on releases? | 19:13 |
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| terrylhowe | sorry, I was late, was there any neutron release discussion | 19:13 |
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| dtroyer | terrylhowe: specifically about getting the overlapping bits between neutron and nova-net worked out so the same commands (as much as possible) do both | 19:14 |
| terrylhowe | ah, cool, that is a bit tricky | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | yeah… if not implementation we need to do the command formats. | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | I did do a POC for that and it seems to be workable re a single command class deciding who to call automatically | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | also, I want to start working on a caching layer… dhellmann would love tyour feedback on the first cut I put up last night in https://review.openstack.org/163699. It's basically doing the ClientManager approach with a bunch of dogpile caches | 19:16 |
| stevemar | bah, impromptu meeting | 19:17 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer: added to my review list | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | I might be all wet there but ClientManager has been nicely extensible that it seemed like a good model to follow | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: do you want to go over the repo split stuff? or just let the log speak to that? | 19:18 |
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| dtroyer | since it wasn't really a decision point | 19:19 |
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| terrylhowe | I think stevemar is afk | 19:19 |
| dtroyer | maybe… | 19:19 |
| dtroyer | #topic other repos | 19:20 |
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| dtroyer | we didn't ttalk about cliff or os-client-config earleir, anythign to address for either of those? | 19:20 |
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| dhellmann | dtroyer: I'm still handling release management for cliff until the team is approved and ownership can change officially | 19:21 |
| terrylhowe | nothing from me, I’m a little behind on cliff reviews | 19:21 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: sure, just was curious if there was anything to talk about | 19:22 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer: ok, just making sure that wasn't a surprise :-) | 19:22 |
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| dhellmann | and by "release management" I really do just mean tagging releases, not much else | 19:23 |
| dtroyer | ok, anything else? | 19:23 |
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| dtroyer | #topic open discussion | 19:24 |
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| dhellmann | nothing from me | 19:25 |
| terrylhowe | do we have a template for osc plugins? | 19:25 |
| dtroyer | terrylhowe: yes… | 19:25 |
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| dtroyer | it's still in my github account: https://github.com/dtroyer/osc-plugin | 19:26 |
| terrylhowe | ah, thanks | 19:26 |
| terrylhowe | nothing else from me | 19:26 |
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| lhcheng | nothing from me | 19:26 |
| dtroyer | I mentioned another plugin I've been playing with: https://github.com/dtroyer/osc-debug that dumps useful stuff for debugging, go figure | 19:27 |
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| dtroyer | I think I want to make that a stackforge project and move the module commands there too | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | someday | 19:27 |
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| dhellmann | ++ | 19:28 |
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| dtroyer | also highly useful for debugging entry point stuff is dhellmann's entry_point_inspector: https://github.com/dhellmann/entry_point_inspector it's UI should seem very familiar | 19:29 |
| dtroyer | ok, that's it for me then too | 19:29 |
| dtroyer | thanks everyone, and again my apologies for the time snafu | 19:30 |
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| lhcheng | thanks! | 19:30 |
| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 19:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 12 19:30:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-03-12-19.00.html | 19:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-03-12-19.00.txt | 19:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-03-12-19.00.log.html | 19:30 |
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| mikal | Nova meeting starting soon | 20:59 |
| mikal | abhishekk mikal tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto funzo mjturek jcookekhugen irina_pov krtaylor danpb alexpilotti flip214 raildo jaypipes gilliard garyk edleafe dims moshele anteaya Nisha sileht claudiub lxsli neiljerram markus_z swamireddy alevine tonyb: ping | 21:00 |
| dims | pong | 21:00 |
| anteaya | o/ | 21:00 |
| dims | o/ | 21:00 |
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| jogo | o/ | 21:00 |
| cburgess | 0/ | 21:00 |
| tonyb | Howdy all! | 21:00 |
| jgrimm | o/ | 21:00 |
| tjones1 | hi | 21:00 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 12 21:00:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mikal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| bauzas | _o | 21:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 21:00 |
| mikal | Hey everyone | 21:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 21:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:00 |
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| mriedem | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | So, as usual the agenda is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:00 |
| mikal | Let's get started | 21:00 |
| mikal | #topic Kilo release status | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo release status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| mikal | So, feature proposal freeze has now hit | 21:01 |
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| sdague | o/ | 21:01 |
| mikal | This shouldn't be a big surprise as its the same process as Juno | 21:01 |
| mikal | We have about a week before we hit dependancy freeze and string freeze | 21:01 |
| mikal | So we need to make sure things which change strings or deps land before then | 21:01 |
| mikal | The same applies for features in general, but especially for things which change deps and translatable strings | 21:02 |
| mriedem | are we cutting a novaclient release before dep freeze? | 21:02 |
| mikal | mriedem: has there been change in the client to justify it? | 21:02 |
| mriedem | idk | 21:02 |
| mriedem | :) | 21:02 |
| mikal | mriedem: I'm not opposed | 21:02 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:02 |
| mriedem | melwitt: had a bug on the agenda for novalcient | 21:02 |
| mikal | Just not sure if anything worth the work has happened there in the last couple of weeks | 21:02 |
| melwitt | there's a bug in the client that I put under Bugs on the agenda | 21:02 |
| sdague | we should cut a release, if nothing else there have been some docs changes that make our examples actually work | 21:03 |
| mikal | Ok, if there's a need we should do it | 21:03 |
| melwitt | but yes, there have been bug fixes, doc fixes | 21:03 |
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| sdague | nothing makes me more ragey than code examples that don't work :) | 21:03 |
| mikal | melwitt: should we delay that release until your bug fix lands? | 21:03 |
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| mikal | So, the bug melwitt is referring to is 143154 | 21:04 |
| melwitt | mikal: it's been broken for awhile, the volumes.* python apis are broken. it would be best if we fix that first I think | 21:04 |
| mikal | Sounds like a big deal to me, and is marked critical | 21:04 |
| mikal | Well, fixing a critical should trigger a release anyways | 21:04 |
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| mikal | So that gives us two excuses to do a release next week | 21:05 |
| mikal | melwitt: the bug doesn't have a code review associated with it | 21:05 |
| mikal | melwitt: and no assignee | 21:05 |
| sdague | melwitt: they aren't exactly broken, they route differently. fixing that should be careful because it would be easy to regress the cli in the process | 21:05 |
| tonyb | Do we also need to land the microversions support in novaclient? | 21:05 |
| claudiub | o/ | 21:06 |
| melwitt | mikal: yeah, I opened it last night when I was reminded it was broken. and by broken I mean they 404 because they route to the wrong place | 21:06 |
| sdague | tonyb: on the api side, yes. it seems like the cli should use best available. | 21:06 |
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| mikal | tonyb: I don't see any client reviews in the priority etherpad, is that an oversight? | 21:06 |
| melwitt | and to fix it, I wasn't sure if I should just fix the urls to point at the nova volumes api proxy or to make them use the same magic the cli does to make it go direct to cinder | 21:07 |
| sdague | mikal: it's an oversight | 21:07 |
| mikal | melwitt: not all deployments expose cinder endpoints... | 21:07 |
| sdague | melwitt: honestly, I vote magic | 21:07 |
| sdague | mikal: then nova volume-list doesn't work for them | 21:08 |
| mikal | sdague: we should fix that | 21:08 |
| dims | list of unreleased changes in python-novaclient - http://paste.openstack.org/show/191940/ | 21:08 |
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| sdague | and hasn't for 2 years | 21:08 |
| sdague | this behavior has existed like this for > 2 years | 21:08 |
| mikal | #action Do a python-novaclient release next week, but fix 1431154 first | 21:08 |
| sdague | changing that... is something that requires a lot of thought | 21:08 |
| mikal | Oh, I am ok with providing incentive to deployers to expose cinder | 21:08 |
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| mikal | So, we're decided we should do a release next week | 21:09 |
| sdague | ++ | 21:09 |
| mikal | I can ping openstack-dev and ask for a list of the microversion patches we need to land first | 21:09 |
| melwitt | yeah, magic would at least make volumes.list() do the same thing that 'nova volume-list' does | 21:09 |
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| mikal | #action Mikal to chase microversion changes for the client before release | 21:09 |
| mikal | Is there anything else we need to remember to do for novaclient before release? | 21:10 |
| melwitt | I'll add the novaclient microversion review to the etherpad now, I put it under Open Discussion for today | 21:10 |
| dansmith | melwitt: I just moved it up to priorities | 21:10 |
| mikal | melwitt: there's only one? | 21:10 |
| dansmith | melwitt: because: microversions, hope that's okay | 21:10 |
| dims | microversion review - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152569/ | 21:10 |
| melwitt | mikal: I think so. I'm not a microversion expert though, so I didn't know if it does everything needed to support | 21:11 |
| mikal | Ok, sounds like I am off the hook for that email then | 21:11 |
| mikal | So, I feel like we've got novaclient under control | 21:11 |
| melwitt | dansmith: cool, thanks! | 21:11 |
| mikal | Is there anything else about the release status we need to cover? | 21:11 |
| mikal | There was a thread overnight clarifying that you can still fix bugs | 21:11 |
| mikal | Even after string freeze | 21:12 |
| mriedem | wut?! | 21:12 |
| mikal | (as long as they don't change strings) | 21:12 |
| dansmith | what if the bug is in the string? | 21:12 |
| mikal | mriedem: is that sarcasm? | 21:12 |
| mikal | Sigh | 21:12 |
| mriedem | mikal: yes | 21:12 |
| mikal | dansmith: IIRC in the past we've punted on those after freeze | 21:12 |
| dansmith | mikal: sarcasm | 21:12 |
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| bauzas | mikal: code freeze is on Thursday ? I was remembering some things happening on Tuesdays when FF | 21:12 |
| mikal | mriedem: please be gentle, still on my first coffee | 21:12 |
| dansmith | or just "dansmith being an ass" | 21:12 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:12 |
| mikal | bauzas: dunno, that date was picked by Mr TTX | 21:13 |
| dansmith | why is he yelling? | 21:13 |
| mikal | Have you met him? | 21:13 |
| mikal | Ok, moving on | 21:13 |
| mikal | #topic Priorities | 21:13 |
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| mikal | So, we've discovered we care about the microversions stuff in novaclient, so I think that's covered apart from remembering to review it? | 21:13 |
| mikal | Looking at the tracking etherpad there is a lot of strikethrough | 21:14 |
| mikal | Which I personally find distracting | 21:14 |
| jogo | mikal: me too | 21:14 |
| mikal | Are people ok with me doing a cleanup to remove complete things? | 21:14 |
| bauzas | +1 | 21:14 |
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| edleafe | +1 | 21:14 |
| sdague | yeh, lets delete | 21:14 |
| dims | +1 | 21:14 |
| dansmith | sure | 21:14 |
| sdague | keep the strikethroughs for the bug list at the bottom though | 21:14 |
| mikal | Cool | 21:14 |
| dansmith | although it makes it look like we've done a lot :) | 21:15 |
| sdague | that's good for metrics on merged stuff | 21:15 |
| dansmith | so one things on priorities | 21:15 |
| mikal | Yeah, those are after the open ones so that's ok with me | 21:15 |
| mikal | dansmith: do tell | 21:15 |
| dims | sdague: we switched it into a counter | 21:15 |
| sdague | dims: oh, ok | 21:15 |
| dansmith | I'm halfway done with my context-ectomy set, which is all merged, but I have a couple more I need to put up yet | 21:15 |
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| dansmith | it's not really a feature, but also not a bug, it's cleanup | 21:15 |
| dansmith | however, I want to get them all squared away in kilo, | 21:16 |
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| dansmith | because in lemming when we move to oslo.versionedobejcts, the syntax will change slightly | 21:16 |
| mikal | dansmith: will the remaining ones be invasive? | 21:16 |
| dansmith | and if we clean up in kilo then backports will be easier, and kilo will be fully clean | 21:16 |
| dansmith | nope, it's almost removing dead code | 21:16 |
| mikal | I think its ok to keep going with those then | 21:16 |
| dansmith | I made it dead code, now it needs cleanup | 21:16 |
| sdague | yep, +1 | 21:16 |
| mikal | I feels like a bug fix to me | 21:17 |
| dansmith | okay, cool, just wanted to make sure we were okay with that | 21:17 |
| mikal | Even if its not a bug | 21:17 |
| dansmith | mikal: it kinda is, but.. | 21:17 |
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| dansmith | anyway, sounds uncontroversial | 21:17 |
| bauzas | mikal: maybe it would be worth mentioning a FeatureFreezeException process before FF ? | 21:17 |
| mikal | Yeah, in the same way that I am ok with continued cleanup of API unit tests | 21:17 |
| mriedem | FFE before FF? | 21:17 |
| mriedem | we've had 2 FFEs | 21:17 |
| mikal | bauzas: you mean for priority features? | 21:18 |
| bauzas | mriedem: nah, explain the process, not acting on it: | 21:18 |
| dansmith | FFEs at this point would only be for priorities, right? | 21:18 |
| sdague | well, I thought we were always good for test work until we go into deep freeze | 21:18 |
| bauzas | mikal: I mean for anyone | 21:18 |
| mikal | bauzas: that's been and gone | 21:18 |
| mriedem | there shouldn't be FFEs after 3/19 | 21:18 |
| mikal | bauzas: the non-priority FFE process was weeks ago | 21:18 |
| bauzas | oh ok | 21:18 |
| mikal | :) | 21:18 |
| mikal | OK, back to priorities | 21:19 |
| mikal | Do we have any that we think are at risk of not finishing their kilo work? | 21:19 |
| dims | do we add any priorities based on the ops meetup feedback? | 21:19 |
| bauzas | some have already been deferred thanks to john | 21:19 |
| mikal | dims: not for kilo I wouldn't think | 21:19 |
| mriedem | dims: not unless they are bugs | 21:19 |
| dims | cool mikal mriedem | 21:19 |
| mriedem | that's business as usual | 21:19 |
| mikal | Ok, it sounds like we can move on again | 21:20 |
| mikal | #topic Gate status | 21:20 |
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| mriedem | a-ok | 21:20 |
| mikal | So, I've been travelling this week so a bit distracted | 21:20 |
| mikal | Tell me of the gates | 21:20 |
| mriedem | ^ | 21:20 |
| mikal | I am disappointed nothing blew up | 21:20 |
| sdague | dims: I think the only kilo priority is the scheduler reporting bug, which I'll work on tomorrow | 21:20 |
| mriedem | things blow up, just not our problem right now | 21:20 |
| mikal | Ok, good | 21:21 |
| dansmith | seems to be pretty good aside from being jammed full of 300 things racing towards freeze | 21:21 |
| dansmith | but stable | 21:21 |
| mikal | If everything was really ok I'd be confused | 21:21 |
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| dims | sdague: there was a quota one that jogo dug up too | 21:21 |
| bauzas | sdague: which bug ? | 21:21 |
| mikal | So, on that gate wedging thing... | 21:21 |
| sdague | bauzas: the one we talked about this morning | 21:21 |
| anteaya | oh infra is having issues with hosts, does that make you feel better? | 21:21 |
| dansmith | sdague: that's a bug, not a new priority though right? | 21:21 |
| bauzas | sdague: you mean the one we discussed ? | 21:21 |
| bauzas | ok | 21:21 |
| sdague | dansmith: correct | 21:21 |
| mikal | If I knew what patches to babysit through merge I'd be happy to sneak things in over the weekend while everyone sleeps | 21:21 |
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| mriedem | if it's wedging the gate, i think that's covered | 21:21 |
| mikal | So, if you're sitting on an approval that is in gate hell, ping me and I can keep an eye on it | 21:21 |
| dansmith | and the quota thing is a can of worms | 21:22 |
| mikal | anteaya: it does, thanks | 21:22 |
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| anteaya | mikal: happy to help | 21:22 |
| sdague | yeh, the quotas thing is mostly figuring out a test strategy I think | 21:22 |
| anteaya | and ++ for the nocturnal +A's they are the best | 21:22 |
| sdague | at least in the short term | 21:22 |
| mikal | So yeah, if you have an approved patch you deeply care about merging, email me and I'll keep an eye on it | 21:22 |
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| mikal | Moving on again I suspect | 21:23 |
| dansmith | I think jogo was thinking on that yesterday | 21:23 |
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| mikal | #topic Bugs | 21:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:23 | |
| mikal | Nova is finally bug free, yes? | 21:23 |
| jogo | dansmith: yup, right now trying to reproduce the issues | 21:23 |
| dansmith | jogo: cool | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | so on bugs | 21:24 |
| mriedem | this came up last week https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1323658 | 21:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1323658 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova resize/restart results in guest ending up in inconsistent state with Neutron" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:24 |
| dims | mikal: i am trying to keep New/Undecided around 30 | 21:24 |
| mikal | This cpu time thing looks valid, but has a proposed fix | 21:24 |
| mriedem | i put up several chagnes to help debug which are merged, and a revert of the skipped tests in tempest | 21:24 |
| mriedem | after like 9 rechecks those haven't failed | 21:24 |
| mriedem | so i'm not sure that's critical for k-3 | 21:24 |
| mikal | mriedem: this is for 1323658, yes? | 21:24 |
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| mriedem | yes | 21:24 |
| mriedem | sdague: which reminds me, wanna drop the -2 here? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161768/ | 21:25 |
| mikal | mriedem: so you're saying it might not be a critical bug any more? | 21:25 |
| mriedem | i think that's exactly what i said :) | 21:25 |
| sdague | mriedem: done | 21:25 |
| melwitt | okay, thanks. I put that bug there because I was concerned if it was a serious issue we needed to workaround asap | 21:25 |
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| mikal | mriedem: can you uncritical it in LP then please? | 21:25 |
| mriedem | sure | 21:25 |
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| mikal | Ta | 21:25 |
| mriedem | otherwise https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/kilo-3 | 21:26 |
| sdague | mriedem: though you failed unit tests in tempest now | 21:26 |
| mriedem | sdague: that's a thing | 21:26 |
| mriedem | known issue | 21:26 |
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| mriedem | i'm not sure why https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1383465 is still critical for k-3 when it's been around since last october? | 21:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1383465 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "[pci-passthrough] nova-compute fails to start" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Yongli He (yongli-he) | 21:27 |
| melwitt | (ignore my earlier comment, got mixed up about which bug we were talking) | 21:27 |
| dansmith | where is the patch for that? | 21:27 |
| dansmith | it's a pretty important issue | 21:27 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131321/ | 21:27 |
| dims | mriedem: since it has the potential for nova-compute to bail out totally | 21:28 |
| mriedem | yeah, i mean, it *sounds* bad | 21:28 |
| dansmith | okay, we need to get eyes on that one I think | 21:28 |
| dansmith | but yeah, maybe not critical | 21:28 |
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| dansmith | but we broke that in juno | 21:28 |
| dansmith | and it would be real bad if we don't merge the fix in kilo :/ | 21:28 |
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| dims | agree | 21:29 |
| mikal | I will add it to my review list for later today unless people beat me to it | 21:29 |
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| melwitt | this one I put https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1372670 libvirt bug fixed upstream in newer release, but the proposed fix involves a workaround config option and can't seem to get an agreement whether to have it be configurable or not | 21:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1372670 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "libvirtError: operation failed: cannot read cputime for domain" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Eduardo Costa (ecosta) | 21:29 |
| mriedem | this is the only other critical k-3 bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1431201 | 21:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1431201 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "kilo controller can't conduct juno compute nodes" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Sylvain Bauza (sylvain-bauza) | 21:30 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: we're on that one | 21:30 |
| mriedem | k | 21:30 |
| dansmith | mriedem: it is a recent regression | 21:30 |
| dansmith | I dunno why, | 21:30 |
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| jogo | sdague: FYI for that one, if we can put 'old' nova in a venv we can gate in restarting old nova-compute with new nova-* running | 21:31 |
| bauzas | mriedem: I'm on that bug, fairly good progress with the help of dansmith | 21:31 |
| dansmith | but I always find it funny when people use "conduct" as the verbular description of what conductor does :) | 21:31 |
| jamielennox | Can i request targetting https://review.openstack.org/136931 / bug 1424462 to k-3 as well, the code's been up for a while it just needs another +2 | 21:31 |
| openstack | bug 1424462 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova/Neutron v3 authentication" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1424462 - Assigned to Jamie Lennox (jamielennox) | 21:31 |
| sdague | jogo: or we could look at the logs | 21:31 |
| dansmith | sdague: well, restarting compute will find a whole other class of issues | 21:31 |
| mikal | jamielennox: I will add that to my review list too | 21:31 |
| jogo | sdague: well we don't test the startup code for old nova-compute in partial grenade | 21:31 |
| dansmith | sdague: but for this one, looking in the logs is good | 21:31 |
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| bauzas | dansmith: +1 | 21:32 |
| jogo | but if this one was in the logs all along ... sigh | 21:32 |
| sdague | jogo: yeh, that's just a lot of infrastructure that we don't have ready yet | 21:32 |
| dansmith | jogo: right, and it breaks too often | 21:32 |
| dansmith | but it's non-trivial | 21:32 |
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| dansmith | I think with multinode it would be easier right? | 21:32 |
| jogo | sdague: yup, just pointing that out for when that infra is in place | 21:32 |
| mriedem | there is multinode now | 21:32 |
| bauzas | jogo: yeah it wasn't noticed because I was not aware that grenade was not covering n-cpu startups nor periodic tasks | 21:32 |
| mriedem | in experimental | 21:32 |
| jogo | dansmith: actually yeah ... wouldn't be hard to throw something together for that but may be overkill honestly | 21:32 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: right, I mean trying to do a test that restarted it would be easier in multinode vs. adding a venv supported thing | 21:33 |
| jogo | bauzas: well it should cover periodic tasks, but tempest means they don't always fail | 21:33 |
| dansmith | jogo: well, it'd be cool I think, but yeah | 21:33 |
| bauzas | jogo: I mean that it was something unnoticeable by Tempest | 21:33 |
| sdague | yeh, lets take this offline. Honestly, for this case, log inspection will nail this regression (and others like it) | 21:33 |
| jogo | sdague: agreed | 21:33 |
| bauzas | sdague: agreed | 21:33 |
| mikal | So moving on now? | 21:34 |
| sdague | and in L with some venv support, we can do other things | 21:34 |
| sdague | but that's all post release | 21:34 |
| dansmith | you mean lemming | 21:34 |
| mikal | #topic Stuck reviews | 21:34 |
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| * mdbooth has one | 21:34 | |
| mdbooth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158269/ | 21:34 |
| mikal | So, we have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158269/ as a candidate for discussion | 21:34 |
| mdbooth | My argument on this one is the same as it was before. | 21:35 |
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| mdbooth | It's a serious bug, and this is the only fix on the table for it. | 21:35 |
| dansmith | well, there are other ways to fix this | 21:35 |
| dansmith | like the one you proposed first | 21:35 |
| dansmith | which I'd rather see than this | 21:35 |
| mdbooth | The proposed fix simply adds an assertion around existing code assumptions. | 21:35 |
| * jogo doesn't want to have the exact same discussion again | 21:35 | |
| dansmith | jogo: +1 | 21:35 |
| mdbooth | So it's good. | 21:35 |
| mdbooth | The objection to it seems to be that it makes a change to an unpopular feature without removing it. | 21:36 |
| mdbooth | I can rebut the objections specifically if that would help anybody. | 21:36 |
| mikal | So, I think there are two issues here | 21:37 |
| mikal | We should delete all of the instances for unlucky deployers | 21:37 |
| mikal | That seems ... bad | 21:37 |
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| mikal | I think we can discuss the underlying design problem, but that's probably better at the summit | 21:37 |
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| dansmith | so, the evacuate code is broken, and broken for other hypervisors that this doesn't address. I've got a spec up for lemming | 21:37 |
| dansmith | and I'm going to commit to fixing it | 21:37 |
| mikal | And not something we're goign to fix in kilo | 21:37 |
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| dansmith | spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161444/ | 21:38 |
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| mriedem | summit topic? | 21:39 |
| mriedem | at least meetup day? | 21:39 |
| mikal | For the larger problem, yes | 21:39 |
| mdbooth | dansmith: I'm sure that's very good, but it's not good to go now, and it doesn't fix any of the other problems. | 21:39 |
| dansmith | we need a summit topic around this and the larger problem for sure | 21:39 |
| mikal | Do we think we can land something to stop the instance loss problem in kilo that wont cause us heaps of pain later? | 21:40 |
| dansmith | mdbooth: it will fix *ever* deleting instances when we shouldn't | 21:40 |
| mdbooth | Also, there is nothing in my fix which would prejudice fixing evacuate. | 21:40 |
| mdbooth | mikal: This fix is good to go. | 21:40 |
| dansmith | mikal: we landed a workaround flag that lets you disable the destructive behavior if you want | 21:40 |
| mikal | mdbooth: well, except that three cores -1'ed it | 21:40 |
| sdague | dansmith: did that land? I thought that was blocked? | 21:41 |
| mdbooth | mikal: You have to read why, though. | 21:41 |
| dansmith | mikal: which is a stopgap which is good enough for me in the short term, and for particularly susceptible hypervisors they can fix it in their own drivers | 21:41 |
| mdbooth | mikal: As I said, this is an unpopular feature. | 21:41 |
| dansmith | sdague: nope, it landed | 21:41 |
| mdbooth | There seems to be a kneejerk reaction against anything relating to it. | 21:41 |
| dansmith | sdague: t'was unblocked | 21:41 |
| dims | 2 conversations? :) | 21:42 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159890/ | 21:42 |
| mriedem | that's the config option added to disable | 21:42 |
| mikal | I feel like we're not going to resolve this before we run out of time | 21:42 |
| jogo | so we have now just had the exact same conversation as we did last week | 21:42 |
| bauzas | mdbooth: I honestly think it deserves a discussion at the Summit for this | 21:42 |
| jogo | can we just move on | 21:42 |
| mikal | So... | 21:42 |
| dims | mdbooth: is it related to this? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-one-nova-compute-per-vc-cluster please add it there if so | 21:42 |
| mdbooth | bauzas: This is a bugfix. Summit is for design discussion. | 21:42 |
| mdbooth | dims: No. | 21:42 |
| mikal | The workaround flag stops the instance loss situation if the deployer uses it with vmware or ironic, yes? | 21:43 |
| dansmith | mikal: yes | 21:43 |
| mdbooth | mikal: No | 21:43 |
| dansmith | wtf? of course it does | 21:43 |
| mdbooth | Firstly, the user would have to manually enable it, which they never would. | 21:43 |
| dansmith | that's what he just said | 21:43 |
| mriedem | let's move on | 21:43 |
| bauzas | mdbooth: IMHO that's more than an fix, but rather something directly hitting operators | 21:43 |
| mdbooth | Secondly, if anybody enables it, it breaks evacuate. | 21:43 |
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| mdbooth | Ok, I thought I'd give it one more go. | 21:44 |
| mdbooth | I'll abandon it. | 21:44 |
| mikal | So, we have many flags where we expect the operator to know what to do | 21:44 |
| mikal | That's what documentation is for | 21:44 |
| mriedem | operators will probably read the release notes before upgrading | 21:44 |
| mdbooth | Thanks for listening. | 21:44 |
| mriedem | this should be a flag called out in the release notes | 21:44 |
| dansmith | mriedem: I'll add it | 21:44 |
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| mikal | Its got a docimpact on it | 21:44 |
| mdbooth | If you enable it, it breaks evacuate | 21:44 |
| mdbooth | My fix doesn't need to be enabled, and doesn't break evacuate. | 21:45 |
| dansmith | evacuate is broken for those drivers | 21:45 |
| mdbooth | FWIW | 21:45 |
| mriedem | config is always redone per release, docimpact doesn't mean much otherwise i don't think if you don't follow up yourself with release notes | 21:45 |
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| mdbooth | My fix doesn't need to be enabled by anybody, and doesn't break evacuate by anybody. | 21:45 |
| jogo | MOVING ON | 21:45 |
| mikal | jogo: breath deeply | 21:45 |
| dansmith | +1 for moving on | 21:45 |
| mikal | Ok, let's move on | 21:45 |
| mikal | #topic Open Discussion | 21:45 |
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| mikal | Nothing on the agenda | 21:46 |
| sdague | unrelated to this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150929/ - ec2 deprecate | 21:46 |
| dansmith | ooh | 21:46 |
| dansmith | a much better topic | 21:46 |
| mikal | Heh' | 21:46 |
| mriedem | sdague: tempest seems pretty unhappy | 21:46 |
| bknudson | I wanted to bring up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157501/ at one of these meetings. | 21:46 |
| dansmith | sdague: I tried to +2 that eight times, but gerrit wouldn't let me | 21:46 |
| sdague | though I have to fix code one more time because of oslo_log | 21:46 |
| mikal | sdague: so it seems like ops at the meetup were not freaked out? | 21:46 |
| mriedem | something with that s3server change | 21:46 |
| sdague | they were less freaked out for sure | 21:46 |
| sdague | they want a story forward about ec2 being available in the ecosystem | 21:46 |
| anteaya | this is targetting for L now so I didn't want to take time in priorites but obondarev_ has a new patchset up for the nova-net to neutron migration proxy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150490/ | 21:46 |
| mikal | sdague: I haven't gotten around to tweaking the review to meet ttx's requirements, have you? | 21:46 |
| sdague | I did not get yelled at when I talked about the path into the stackforge project | 21:47 |
| sdague | I talked with ttx at the meetup, he's ok with deprecation now | 21:47 |
| mikal | Pardon? | 21:47 |
| sdague | it was a word definition issue | 21:47 |
| mikal | Did you talk to him while holding a knife? | 21:47 |
| sdague | nope | 21:47 |
| dansmith | lol | 21:47 |
| jogo | umm http://logs.openstack.org/29/150929/3/check/gate-nova-python27/062df96/console.html#_2015-03-12_19_07_42_323 | 21:47 |
| sdague | jogo: yes, oslo_log | 21:47 |
| mriedem | jogo: yeah, needs work a bit | 21:47 |
| sdague | fixing now | 21:47 |
| dansmith | they were in philly, so "at gunpoint" could have been a thing | 21:48 |
| mikal | All I know about philly is the cheese | 21:48 |
| anteaya | cheese steak | 21:48 |
| sdague | hmmm... cheese steak | 21:48 |
| bknudson | cream cheese | 21:48 |
| dansmith | cheeeeese | 21:48 |
| mikal | Yeah, that one | 21:48 |
| dims | sdague: thanks! | 21:48 |
| mikal | So apart from discussing our love of cheese are we done here? | 21:48 |
| * bauzas heard the word 'cheese' ? | 21:48 | |
| sdague | anyway, ttx is supportive of this being called deprecation, I asked him to add comments there | 21:48 |
| jogo | sdague: was that a trick to allow dansmith to +2 it again? | 21:48 |
| tonyb | mikal: bknudson had a review to look at | 21:48 |
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| bknudson | wanted to bring up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157501/ quickly... | 21:49 |
| dansmith | jogo: :D | 21:49 |
| sdague | heh | 21:49 |
| mikal | sdague: that is the exact opposite of what he told me | 21:49 |
| mikal | sdague: so I will proceed to be confused | 21:49 |
| bknudson | essentially the start of a long project, so wanted some quick feedback on it. | 21:49 |
| dansmith | mikal: let's stack up some +2s on there, let ttx comment and you can +W, okay? | 21:49 |
| bknudson | as in, if it's a non-starter. | 21:49 |
| mikal | dansmith: works for me | 21:49 |
| * dansmith drops the mic and walks out | 21:49 | |
| tonyb | bknudson: If it's part of a long project that feels like an L spec to me | 21:50 |
| sdague | yeh, this seems more spec like to me | 21:50 |
| bknudson | tonyb: yes, I'll put a spec up for L. | 21:50 |
| mikal | bknudson: yeah, I think a discussion of why its needed would be good | 21:50 |
| mikal | bknudson: and a spec is the right framework for that | 21:50 |
| mikal | Cool | 21:50 |
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| dansmith | mikal: can haz early mark? | 21:50 |
| tonyb | bknudson: FWIW I think the change is okay but there is no context on why and what it gets us? | 21:50 |
| sdague | tonyb: ++ | 21:50 |
| mikal | For example, if we were going to do that, how does it map into perhap using a rootwrap daemon in the future? | 21:50 |
| anteaya | anyone able to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150490/ next week at all? or way too busy? | 21:51 |
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| mikal | anteaya: no promises at this point in the release cycle unfortunately | 21:51 |
| sdague | also, unless we actually parameter filter in our rootwrap I think it's pointless for compute | 21:51 |
| anteaya | mikal: figured as much, just need to tell obondarev_ that I tried | 21:51 |
| bknudson | the goal of this is to get a start on doing rootwrap or whatever correctly. | 21:51 |
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| mikal | Sounds like we have a plan for the priv separation thing though | 21:52 |
| sdague | bknudson: right, but you've looked at the compute policy right? | 21:52 |
| mikal | bknudson: I know neutron has been doing stuff around that, so it would be interesting to learn from what they've done as well | 21:52 |
| sdague | it's got at least half a dozen own your box escalations | 21:52 |
| mikal | But yeah, I think this meeting is done? | 21:52 |
| dansmith | soo done | 21:52 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:52 |
| bknudson | we looked at the policy over the OSSG meetup. There's going to be a lot of work to get it all cleaned up. | 21:52 |
| mikal | Going... | 21:52 |
| mriedem | can i talk about evacuate some more with jogo?! | 21:52 |
| mikal | ...going... | 21:52 |
| dims | haha | 21:53 |
| mikal | mriedem: sure, just not here | 21:53 |
| bknudson | will spec it. | 21:53 |
| * dansmith smacks mriedem with a fish | 21:53 | |
| mikal | ...gone | 21:53 |
| mikal | #endmeeting | 21:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 12 21:53:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:53 |
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| tonyb | I'd pay to see that ;P | 21:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-03-12-21.00.html | 21:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-03-12-21.00.txt | 21:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-03-12-21.00.log.html | 21:53 |
| sdague | mriedem: as long as you do it the privacy of your own home, it's no business of ours | 21:53 |
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