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| shamail | Do we communicate the feedback from PTLs, and resulting themes, to the BoD directly or do we still communicate with TC and expect them to discuss with BoD (as needed) | 00:00 |
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| sarob | the later | 00:01 |
| shamail | If the BoD is interested in the long-term roadmap then should they be involved directly in the confirmation/communication phase? | 00:01 |
| shamail | Got it. Thanks. | 00:01 |
| sarob | the TC owns the technical directin | 00:01 |
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| sarob | board owns governance and strategy | 00:01 |
| sarob | they intertwine at defcore/refstack | 00:01 |
| shamail | Makes sense. | 00:02 |
| sarob | and the likely where openstack will be in 5 years | 00:02 |
| sarob | discussion | 00:02 |
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| sarob | if openstack isnt likely to make spaceships or electric cars | 00:03 |
| sarob | then we should lower the marslander project requirements on the roadmap | 00:04 |
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| shamail | :)) | 00:04 |
| sarob | but the marslander project can continue to do their thing | 00:04 |
| sarob | openstack on mars | 00:04 |
| sarob | its a thing | 00:04 |
| sarob | how many people do we still have | 00:05 |
| sarob | ? | 00:05 |
| shamail | I'm here. | 00:05 |
| jrhort | +1 | 00:05 |
| dttocs | +1 | 00:05 |
| rolandchan | +1 | 00:05 |
| sarob | \o/ | 00:05 |
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| sarob | next topic ? | 00:06 |
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| sarob | news on implement options with the cross project repo | 00:06 |
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| sarob | implementation options that is | 00:06 |
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| sarob | geoffarnold? | 00:07 |
| sarob | missed him | 00:08 |
| geoffarnold_ | sorry, i was deferring to shamail | 00:08 |
| geoffarnold_ | and had a VPN glitchg | 00:08 |
| sarob | geoffarnold_ no prob | 00:08 |
| shamail | Go ahead geoffarnold_ I think your closer to the topic | 00:08 |
| geoffarnold_ | we have shamail's submission for the Summit | 00:08 |
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| sarob | post it | 00:09 |
| geoffarnold_ | and for me the next big thing will be Philadelphia | 00:09 |
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| geoffarnold_ | since I expect operators to be a big source of cross-project issues | 00:09 |
| geoffarnold_ | HMT, Ceilometer, Cells, etc. | 00:09 |
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| shamail | From a xproj comm. perspective, we are trying to meet to discuss path forward. I will resend an email to ask for an ideal time to meet up. I have not had a chance to follow up with Geoff or Rocky on the cross project repo. | 00:10 |
| geoffarnold_ | I'd like to come away from that with a couple of decent representative initiatives | 00:10 |
| shamail | Sorry; delayed connection. :( | 00:10 |
| geoffarnold_ | That's where we are right now | 00:11 |
| geoffarnold_ | I'm also expecting some useful feedback from the ongoing TripleO meetup in Seattle | 00:11 |
| sarob | so we wil gather information at the operator summit | 00:12 |
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| shamail | See ya geoffarnold_ | 00:14 |
| shamail | How many ppl are confirmed for ops summit and do we have time on the final agenda? | 00:14 |
| sarob | im interested in ideas on how to operationalize | 00:14 |
| sarob | shamail: 100+ | 00:15 |
| shamail | I think we have to tabulate the feedback from PTLs first and then determine how we move forward. Agree? | 00:15 |
| shamail | sarob: Nice | 00:15 |
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| sarob | Devananda | 00:17 |
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| sarob | had some ideas on how we could | 00:17 |
| sarob | create specs or storyboard stories | 00:18 |
| shamail | Yeah, I agree. | 00:18 |
| sarob | any thoughts on that? | 00:18 |
| shamail | We also need a new vehicle though, which will allow us to communicate the status/priorities/stories with the end users directly | 00:18 |
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| shamail | One aspect is that we have to document the specs/stories and the other aspect is being transparent and making them available | 00:19 |
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| sarob | #action team needs to figure out ideas on multi-release operations | 00:19 |
| sarob | we would need to take in many user stories | 00:20 |
| sarob | have the win the enterprise team organize them | 00:20 |
| sarob | work with the PTLs and product team to prioritze features and assign them to milestones and releases | 00:21 |
| jrhort | Do we have a set of personas to work on the stories? | 00:21 |
| shamail | It would be great to take the feedback from PTLs and generate user stories. Would that be us or WTE? | 00:21 |
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| sarob | we need to delagate user stories through another group i think | 00:21 |
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| sarob | wte is already doing that | 00:22 |
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| sarob | so it fits | 00:22 |
| sarob | jrhort: id like wte to work with dneary on personas | 00:22 |
| shamail | +1 | 00:22 |
| sarob | add personas as an attribute of user stories | 00:23 |
| sarob | #action put the dneary personas together with WTE | 00:23 |
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| shamail | I have to leave. I'll check log afterwards. Have a great one! | 00:24 |
| sarob | anything more | 00:24 |
| sarob | im done too | 00:24 |
| shamail | Alright, cya. | 00:24 |
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| rolandchan | no, I'm fully informed now. Thank you. | 00:25 |
| sarob | excellent | 00:25 |
| sarob | cheers people | 00:25 |
| sarob | until next time | 00:25 |
| sarob | when i will be on time | 00:25 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 00:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 19 00:25:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-02-18-23.29.html | 00:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-02-18-23.29.txt | 00:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-02-18-23.29.log.html | 00:25 |
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| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 08:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 19 08:02:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 08:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 08:02 |
| Daisy | Hello. Who is around for I18n meeting? | 08:02 |
| anish_ | Hi! | 08:02 |
| DeeJay1 | hi | 08:02 |
| Daisy | Welcome, anish_ and DeeJay1 ! | 08:02 |
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| Daisy | Today is Chinese new year day. | 08:03 |
| anish_ | Happy new year Daisy and everyone !! | 08:03 |
| DeeJay1 | then happy New Year Daisy ! | 08:03 |
| Daisy | Happy new year ! | 08:03 |
| Daisy | Let's start the meeting with us three. | 08:04 |
| anish_ | yeah seems that | 08:04 |
| Daisy | #topic Research result on translating RST documents | 08:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Research result on translating RST documents (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 08:04 | |
| Daisy | I think, you might know that doc team is going to change the doc format from DocBook to RST. | 08:05 |
| Daisy | They have started from some small prove of concepts. | 08:05 |
| Daisy | And all things run well. | 08:05 |
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| anish_ | okay | 08:06 |
| Daisy | They plan to change "End User Guide" and "Admin User Guide" | 08:06 |
| Daisy | In march, these documents have high priority: | 08:06 |
| Daisy | Cloud Administrator Guide | 08:06 |
| Daisy | Virtual Machine Image Guide | 08:06 |
| Daisy | High Availability Guide | 08:06 |
| Daisy | API Quick Start Guide | 08:06 |
| Daisy | Our translation team need to make sure our translations won't be affected too much. | 08:07 |
| Daisy | I did an early investigation. | 08:07 |
| Daisy | It looks like the translation process is similar. | 08:08 |
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| Daisy | Slicing RST into pot files, translating pot files into po files using transifex, and then downloading po files and building translated documents. | 08:09 |
| Daisy | The command to build translated documents would be changed. | 08:10 |
| Daisy | But it's not complex. | 08:10 |
| Daisy | So my next plan is to starting changing our translation tools and CI scripts. | 08:11 |
| Daisy | A wiki page is used to track my investigation. | 08:11 |
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| Daisy_ | Hi, I'm back. | 08:14 |
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| Daisy_ | I connect from home. It's not stable. | 08:14 |
| Daisy_ | anish_ and DeeJay1: are you still there? | 08:15 |
| DeeJay1 | yup | 08:15 |
| Daisy_ | I have a wiki page to track my investigations. | 08:15 |
| anish_ | yeah | 08:15 |
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| Daisy_ | I would like to find somebody else to help me prove reading the wiki page after I'm done. | 08:16 |
| anish_ | Daisy, I can do that | 08:16 |
| Daisy_ | Thanks, anish_ | 08:16 |
| Daisy_ | So I'm done with this topic. | 08:16 |
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| Daisy_ | Any questions? | 08:16 |
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| Daisy | if no, let's go to open discussions. | 08:17 |
| Daisy | #topic Open discussions | 08:17 |
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| Daisy | anish_: I had a talk with Carlos last week. | 08:18 |
| anish_ | Daisy, zanata team is waiting for response from infra team | 08:18 |
| Daisy | I have given him the list of bugs you reported. | 08:18 |
| anish_ | Daisy,yeah I talked with him | 08:18 |
| anish_ | bugs are targeted for current release i.e 3.6 | 08:19 |
| Daisy | Nice, anish_ | 08:19 |
| Daisy | I know the infra changes are delayed. I'm waiting that too. | 08:20 |
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| Daisy | DeeJay1: do you get more supports on your proposals ? | 08:20 |
| anish_ | do infra team any help from us? | 08:21 |
| DeeJay1 | Daisy: I got a few folks from Intel to vote, and my company posted the link on twitter | 08:21 |
| Daisy | I don't know anish_ . The response I got is that they would let us know if they need us help. | 08:21 |
| DeeJay1 | Daisy: so we'll see in a few days | 08:21 |
| anish_ | Daisy, thanks! | 08:21 |
| Daisy | DeeJay1: great ! I think our translators would vote for you. | 08:21 |
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| anish_ | DeeJay1,cool are you going to talk about translation work flow as well? | 08:22 |
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| DeeJay1 | anish_: yeah, I want to talk also about my experiences moving from the GNOME workflow to OpenStack | 08:23 |
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| anish_ | cool | 08:23 |
| Daisy | Anything else to talk ? | 08:23 |
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| anish_ | how to get started on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n-test | 08:24 |
| Daisy | Thank you for asking, anish_ | 08:24 |
| Daisy | I have started from a patch. Let me find the link. | 08:24 |
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| Daisy | The patch is failed. :( | 08:24 |
| anish_ | ohh | 08:25 |
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| Daisy | If you have time, you may take a look at it. | 08:25 |
| anish_ | Daisy, sure I will look into it | 08:25 |
| Daisy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155622/ | 08:25 |
| Daisy | I think it is caused by the wrong project structure. | 08:26 |
| anish_ | Daisy, okay thanks | 08:26 |
| DeeJay1 | tox.ini is missing ;) | 08:27 |
| Daisy | Yes.... | 08:27 |
| Daisy | I don't think I use tox... so I don't have it. | 08:27 |
| DeeJay1 | easy to fix, anish_ will you do it or should I? | 08:27 |
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| anish_ | DeeJay1, I will do it | 08:27 |
| Daisy | I'm on vacation and go back to my hometown. The network is not good here. | 08:28 |
| Daisy | anish_: I appreciate very much if you could help. | 08:28 |
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| anish_ | Daisy, DeeJay1 no problem thanks | 08:29 |
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| Daisy | DeeJay1: please help to review the codes. :) | 08:29 |
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| Daisy | It's a program to generate pseudo translation po files. It will be helpful while we test i18n. | 08:29 |
| DeeJay1 | Daisy: will do ;) | 08:30 |
| Daisy | Thank you all. | 08:30 |
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| Daisy | anything else? | 08:30 |
| Daisy | if no, I will end the meeting. | 08:31 |
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| DeeJay1 | nothing from me | 08:32 |
| Daisy | I will end the meeting then. Thank you for attending. | 08:32 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 08:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 19 08:32:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-02-19-08.02.html | 08:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-02-19-08.02.txt | 08:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-02-19-08.02.log.html | 08:32 |
| anish_ | thank you! | 08:33 |
| Daisy | Thanks for attending, DeeJay1 and anish_ . | 08:33 |
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| DeeJay1 | thanks Daisy | 08:33 |
| Daisy | byebye. :) | 08:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 19 14:00:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 14:00 |
| bauzas | aloha | 14:00 |
| jaypipes | heya | 14:00 |
| alevine | o/ | 14:00 |
| bauzas | mornooning | 14:00 |
| n0ano | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | o/ | 14:00 |
| markus_z | o/ | 14:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Kilo release status | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo release status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| johnthetubaguy | hello hello | 14:00 |
| claudiub | o/ | 14:00 |
| anteaya | o/ | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | so you probably saw the email: | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/057100.html | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | a few exceptions were granted | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is a link to the etherpad with a summary of the discussion | 14:01 |
| alaski | o/ | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically maximum chance to merge, minimum chance for disruption to priority stuff | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info next deadline: 5th March https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/FeatureProposalFreeze | 14:02 |
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| garyk | johnthetubaguy: can you please post the link to the etherpad for the exceptions | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the next deadline is for all the exceptions to get merged by one week after the above email | 14:02 |
| garyk | maybe we should discuss progress of each one to see where they are? | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so the exceptions are basically the approve blueprints in kilo-3 now | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-ffe-requests | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | more details in that etherpad | 14:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the list is in that email I just posted | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | any questions on all that? | 14:03 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I do | 14:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | fire away | 14:04 |
| sdague | o/ | 14:04 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: FPF is for blueprints or changes without specs, right ? | 14:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: they were only given to folks who already have an approved blueprint and code up for review | 14:04 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I see | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: so I just noticed no mention of ec2 on the etherpad :( but do fire away | 14:05 |
| alevine | johnthetubaguy: Yes I'm worried about the EC2 but I'm not sure if it's already the time to ask. | 14:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alevine: so the problem is that time has been and gone | 14:06 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: so, I'm actually completely confused about what happened there | 14:06 |
| alevine | johnthetubaguy: I'm not sure what you mean by that. | 14:06 |
| sdague | because last week mikal said the ec2 api team should put the patch up and we'd evaluate it this week | 14:06 |
| sdague | then it was -2ed | 14:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yes, it was −2ed from me, because thats when I did the big pass through all the blueprints | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | I removed −2s from the feature exceptions | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | somehow, ec2 got missed off the list of exceptions we discussed about, so its been put on the agenda for the meeting today | 14:07 |
| gilliard | o/ | 14:08 |
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| sdague | ok, so I would argue, as I did last week, based on the relatively low intrusiveness of the needed change, and the priority from the operators, that we put externalizing this ec2 info on the priorities list | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: that seems reasonable, and it sounded like the api folks were OK with that happening quickly on the ML | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | quite how that got dropped off the other list I need to dig into | 14:09 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: well the team was never told they needed to FFE | 14:10 |
| sdague | and based on last week's meeting, it was definitely not clear that they would need to | 14:10 |
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| bauzas | could we just say that the EC2 API is part of the already prioritized v21 work ? | 14:11 |
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| sdague | bauzas: I think it's worth calling it out as a change in priorities, based on some very specific stakeholder feedback | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yes, so I am confused whats happening with that now | 14:11 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: ok, so lots of confusion :) | 14:12 |
| bauzas | sdague: makes sense | 14:12 |
| sdague | so, how do we get un confused | 14:12 |
| sdague | ? | 14:12 |
| alevine | johnthetubatuy: From the code's and design's standpoint it's ready, I want to believe. The review is out. | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, that totally needs doing, I guess no one owned doing the "paper work" for that, let me own that | 14:12 |
| garyk | ctrl + alt + del | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I will talk to mikal and get that un-stuck somehow | 14:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #action johnthetubaguy to sort out whats happening with ec2 after last weeks meeing | 14:13 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: especially as we are really talking about 1 patch to a v21 microversion (we'll only do this on v21, not on v2) | 14:13 |
| sdague | cool, thanks | 14:13 |
| alevine | johnthetubaguy: thanks | 14:13 |
| sdague | which I also think will give us a good carrot for v21 | 14:13 |
| sdague | you'll need that for this enhanced ec2 support | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: alevine: I will try get an answer by the end of the week, hopefully you will see the −2 go away quickly | 14:14 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: thanks | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, its a nice one | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | sorry folks, clearly a totally screw up there, miss understood the comments on the patch, I will fix that | 14:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic python-novaclient release | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "python-novaclient release (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:14 | |
| sdague | thanks johnthetubaguy, appreciated | 14:14 |
| alevine | johnthetubaguy: Yes, thanks again. | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I guess this was the topic last week | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | no idea why thats not happened | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyone want to raise that here? | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | was this the release pinning stuff? | 14:15 |
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| gilliard | I think that was all fixed. | 14:15 |
| sdague | we should be safe on release pinning | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | that was my take too | 14:15 |
| sdague | I think it's good to go, someone that knows how, and has permissions just needs to do it | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action johnthetubaguy to kick mikal over python-novaclient | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic gate status | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "gate status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:16 | |
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| sdague | and as a part b) we should probably increase the pool of people that know how, and have permissions (which I think was on the thread) | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, agreed, the timezone coverage argument made lots of sense | 14:16 |
| sdague | the nova side seems pretty solid, I've seen a lot of neutron bounce recently | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I don't see anything here, | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | moving on | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic bugs | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:17 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | we we were making progress here, but it seems to have slowed | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | possibly because we did the easy ones, but lets keep pushing | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:18 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: agreed, that's also needs more time now | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | bottom of the above page has lots of links for "active" bug reviews | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | #help please help review more bugs listed at the bottom of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic stuck reviews | 14:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stuck reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:19 | |
| sdague | yeh, I think the # of trivial bug fixes in our review system are actually quite small | 14:19 |
| mdbooth | This one's still stuck: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134499/3 | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, maybe we merged the fixes, time do some some more fixes | 14:19 |
| mdbooth | Not terribly important, but stuck | 14:19 |
| mdbooth | Due to -1 from dansmith | 14:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: ah, yes, do we have tests to debunk dan't claim about the issue? | 14:20 |
| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: Yeah, I wrote one | 14:20 |
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| * anteaya votes for dan't for his new friday nick | 14:20 | |
| mdbooth | I'm not going to commit it, though, because it would just be noise | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: can you add it after that patch maybe? | 14:21 |
| mdbooth | It's a comment in the patch | 14:21 |
| mdbooth | Seriously, it doesn't make any sense | 14:21 |
| mdbooth | The act of writing the test reveals its nonsensicalness | 14:21 |
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| mdbooth | The confusion appears to be over the behaviour of assignment in python | 14:22 |
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| mdbooth | Jay Lau also posted a test | 14:23 |
| garyk | johnthetubaguy: there are a couple of critical bugs in the vmware driver that have been in review for months. | 14:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | garyk: can you add the top two or three into the review list in that etherpad? | 14:23 |
| garyk | i fpossible could we please get a few eyes on https://review.openstack.org/113908 and https://review.openstack.org/124782 | 14:23 |
| garyk | johnthetubaguy: sure, will do. thanks | 14:23 |
| sdague | mdbooth: yeh, that seems fine after the follow on discussion | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | garyk: thanks, just keep an eye on it | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: yeah, it looks OK, one of us, or sdague should approve that one I think | 14:24 |
| mdbooth | Cool, thanks | 14:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, any more? | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: thank you | 14:24 |
| anteaya | did I miss the kilo priorties section of the agenda? | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | anteaya: whoops I did | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic priorities | 14:25 |
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| * anteaya has an item | 14:25 | |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | updates are available in the usual place | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | #help please review the priority patches in here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | anteaya: fire away | 14:26 |
| anteaya | thanks | 14:26 |
| anteaya | so at the last nova net to neutron migration meeting | 14:26 |
| anteaya | which johnthetubaguy attended, thank you | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | I heard my name mentioned and came running | 14:26 |
| anteaya | I am hearing taht nova would like the direction to be subclassing the api | 14:26 |
| anteaya | thanks for that | 14:26 |
| dansmith | anteaya: no | 14:26 |
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| anteaya | which means redirecting to L | 14:26 |
| anteaya | no | 14:27 |
| anteaya | then I mis-heard | 14:27 |
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| dansmith | anteaya: there is some concern about doing this by just subclassing objects and replicating at the persistence layer | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: I was missing interpreting the comments on the review I guess, we seemed against the hack nova objects approach at least? | 14:27 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: anteaya: he's going to do another round of a more complicated piece of the implementation so that we can see what it looks like at the objects layer | 14:28 |
| dansmith | but it feels really awkward to me to do it there | 14:28 |
| alaski | +1 | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: is this for the using neutron but a few hosts still nova-net case? | 14:28 |
| dansmith | it's definitely a hack that avoids making changes to either nova-net or neutronapi to make this actually a natively supportable thing | 14:28 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: this is for making us run using nova-net, but every time we save something, we redirect to neutron under the covers | 14:29 |
| dansmith | ...and also try to save stuff into nova-net's database as well | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, yeah, the sync stage | 14:29 |
| dansmith | if we didn't have objects, it would be identical to putting stuff into db_api to keep neutron and nova-net in sync | 14:30 |
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| dansmith | it's doable, and maybe it's the least ugly thing, but it doesn't feel that way | 14:30 |
| dansmith | I also don't have a better suggestion (well I do: don't do this silly thing at all), but... | 14:30 |
| anteaya | dansmith: so obondarev talked to you? | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, it feels the wrong level of abstraction | 14:30 |
| dansmith | anteaya: yes | 14:30 |
| anteaya | wonderful | 14:30 |
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| anteaya | sorry I missed that | 14:30 |
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| anteaya | so happy to hear | 14:30 |
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| dansmith | anteaya: sorry, I shouldn't have said no to what you were hearing -- I meant no to the analysis | 14:31 |
| anteaya | that is fine | 14:31 |
| anteaya | since you had new info | 14:31 |
| anteaya | glad he talked to you | 14:31 |
| anteaya | so right now you and oleg have agreed that oleg will write a new patch and you will review? | 14:31 |
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| anteaya | do I have that correct/ | 14:32 |
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| dansmith | he's going to expand on it, yes | 14:32 |
| anteaya | good enough for me | 14:32 |
| anteaya | thanks | 14:32 |
| dansmith | but I will say,m | 14:32 |
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| dansmith | that even if we go this route, time is getting pretty tight for me to imagine this is actually going to be a workable thing in kilo timeframe, just given the level at which we're operating here | 14:33 |
| anteaya | yes | 14:33 |
| anteaya | and I concur with you | 14:33 |
| anteaya | but oleg seems determined | 14:33 |
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| anteaya | and he did talk to you, which is what I was hoping for | 14:33 |
| anteaya | so I am willing to give him a shot | 14:33 |
| anteaya | if you are | 14:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anteaya: so the code has technically missed the deadlines for kilo now, so we can't let it merge without some sort of exception, but lets not bog down on that | 14:34 |
| anteaya | right | 14:34 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: this is a priority right? | 14:34 |
| dansmith | so it has until k3? | 14:34 |
| anteaya | since we don't know if we have anything worth excepting | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yeah, just we don't have a blueprint merged for that yet, but we could do that | 14:35 |
| anteaya | I have what I need for this week, sorry to keep others waiting | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, thats s pointless debate, if its ready we will do something exceptional for it | 14:35 |
| anteaya | thank you | 14:35 |
| dansmith | okay, I didn't think that mattered, but I don't know what to put in a blueprint at this point | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | probably | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: its just tracking I guess, mostly for docs at this point | 14:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but thats just paper work we would need to do | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, any more on priority stuff? | 14:36 |
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| anteaya | oh and we have a docs patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155947 | 14:36 |
| anteaya | if folks could review that | 14:36 |
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| anteaya | it will be presented at ops mid-cycle | 14:37 |
| anteaya | by sdague | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | anteaya: is that linked in the tracking etherpad? | 14:37 |
| anteaya | yes | 14:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anteaya: awesome, thanks | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic open discussion | 14:37 |
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| alaski | o/ | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: just a poke about the gate incase you wanted to raise something | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: fire away | 14:38 |
| alaski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153666/ vs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157156/ | 14:38 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/gate.html | 14:38 |
| alaski | essentially alembic vs sqla-migrate for new migrations | 14:38 |
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| alaski | I like alembic personally, but it does mean that devs need to learn a new system | 14:39 |
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| alaski | though ultimately this will be moot with the online schema change work | 14:39 |
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| alaski | I want to gather thoughts and opinions on which path I should go with | 14:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alaski: so its a new DB right? | 14:40 |
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| alaski | johnthetubaguy: yes, totally fresh database | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | and alembic is the one actually maintained by the upstream project still | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | so thats quite attractive from where I am sat | 14:40 |
| dansmith | I think the question is, | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | and as you said, it all goes away once we have online migrations working I guess | 14:40 |
| dansmith | if we're not going to see alembic from our code once we have the online schema bits, | 14:41 |
| dansmith | then it's just learning a new thing for no real gain | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | but thats a new tech for a very short amount of time I guess? | 14:41 |
| dansmith | er, yeah, that :) | 14:41 |
| garyk | i suggest reaching out to a few people in neutron who work with the alembic migrations | 14:41 |
| garyk | salv-orlando would be a good place to start | 14:41 |
| garyk | the nova way of writing them is far easier in my opinion | 14:41 |
| alaski | garyk: to ask what? | 14:42 |
| garyk | whether it is a good way to go, what the painpoints are etc. | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: you know, this one is quite easy I guess: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157156/2/nova/db/sqlalchemy/api_migrations/migrate_repo/versions/001_cell_mapping.py,cm | 14:42 |
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| mdbooth | Vaguely on the topic of migrations, I posted this earlier: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/057324.html | 14:42 |
| alaski | the migrations are very similar, though alembic can do a lot of it automatically | 14:42 |
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| mdbooth | It's about creating a unique constraint in the db to cover the use case of osapi_compute_unique_server_name_scope | 14:43 |
| mdbooth | However, it would seem to require configuring the db schema on the fly | 14:43 |
| alaski | it sounds like there's a leaning towards not learning a new system for a short period of time | 14:43 |
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| alaski | so I'll move forward with sqla-migrate | 14:43 |
| alaski | as a followup | 14:43 |
| alaski | I moved the current migrations in my patch to a new directory | 14:44 |
| dansmith | alaski: honestly, I think that'd be my preference.. avoid putting any more blockers in our way | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: I like how it gives us more reasons to drop that code you are adding once we are happy with the online stuff | 14:44 |
| dansmith | unless there's some real technical reason | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: I was thinking it was good to learn the new way | 14:44 |
| alaski | do people like/dislike the directory move to distinguish migrations? | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: I would vote we deprecate the config option, FWIW, and see who shouts | 14:45 |
| alaski | dansmith: no real technical reason, beyond alembic autogenerating migrations | 14:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alaski: maybe don't rename the old one? | 14:45 |
| dansmith | alaski: right, I meant reason like "sqlamigrate is really unable to do two streams" or something | 14:45 |
| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: Works for me. | 14:45 |
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| alaski | dansmith: yeah, everything seems to work fine at this point | 14:45 |
| dansmith | then my vote would be to concentrate on other hard problems I think | 14:46 |
| dansmith | even though I think I was +1 on alembic before, | 14:46 |
| sdague | also, openstack project owns migrate at this point, so we can fix it if we need to | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: ah, its two different DBs with separate sqlalchemy_migrate streams right? | 14:46 |
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| dansmith | but wasn't really factoring in the online schema thing | 14:46 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: yes | 14:46 |
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| alaski | johnthetubaguy: yes, I renamed to distinguish them easily | 14:46 |
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| mriedem | feel free to ping me to rubberstamp any and all sqla-migrate changes :) | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: got it, thats a nice solution | 14:46 |
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| alaski | johnthetubaguy: it does break turbo-hipster which hardcodes where it looks for migrations, but I have an email to them already about that | 14:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alaski: can we avoid the rename, or does that just look too messy? | 14:47 |
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| alaski | it can be avoided for now | 14:47 |
| alaski | I think eventually we'll want it | 14:47 |
| alaski | I think I got what I needed | 14:48 |
| alaski | drop alembic, probably don't rename for now | 14:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, eventually we just delete it, but yeah, that too | 14:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 14:48 |
| alaski | but reviews welcome with further feedback | 14:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 14:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems like we are done | 14:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | any last items? | 14:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thanks all, feedback on the agenda welcome, we had a few dead areas today | 14:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 14:50 |
| wznoinsk | hi, I wanted to give you a small update on our Intel NFV CI here | 14:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 19 14:50:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-02-19-14.00.html | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-02-19-14.00.txt | 14:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-02-19-14.00.log.html | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | oops | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | sorry | 14:50 |
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| wznoinsk | for these guys that are interested | 14:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | wznoinsk: sorry, I ended it as no one spoke up, maybe lets move to #openstack-nova, interested in the update still | 14:52 |
| wznoinsk | we have our 1. PCI/SRIOV CI now commenting out and we're working on the custom tests for SRIOV, 2.networking CI is also commenting out (it tests neutron with ovs+dpdk from Intel), 3. Nova huge pages/cpu pinning CI is to come next week with custom tests written in next couple of weeks | 14:52 |
| wznoinsk | sure, thanks | 14:52 |
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| eglynn-office | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 19 15:01:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn-office. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:01 |
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| eglynn-office | o/ | 15:01 |
| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:01 |
| fabiog | o/ | 15:01 |
| _elena_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:01 |
| cdent | o/ | 15:02 |
| eglynn-office | #topic kilo-3 status | 15:02 |
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| eglynn-office | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/kilo-3 | 15:02 |
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| fabiog | eglynn-office: we really need to move this forward, otherwise the API and Agents work will be late: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142592/ | 15:03 |
| ityaptin | o/ | 15:03 |
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| cdent | fabiog: as far as I can tell it is moving forward as fast as it can, given that it is far more complicated than initially imagined | 15:03 |
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| eglynn-office | fabiog: conf-datastore-agents is currently "Not Started" ... is that accurate? | 15:04 |
| ildikov | eglynn-office: the disk meters patch is merged already | 15:04 |
| eglynn-office | fabiog: does work on the BPs need to be strictly serialized? | 15:04 |
| fabiog | eglynn-office: no it is started, it is only waiting for the API changes to hook into it | 15:04 |
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| eglynn-office | fabiog: OK, "slow progress" or "good progress" be more accurate? | 15:05 |
| fabiog | eglynn-office: here it is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150642/ | 15:05 |
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| fabiog | eglynn-office: I think is a good progress. Is it 90% done it only needs the v2 client stubs to connect into | 15:05 |
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| eglynn-office | fabiog: I'll jump in on both those reviews ... but as cdent said above, complex code can take a while to shephard over the line | 15:05 |
| eglynn-office | fabiog: coolness, I'll update the status now | 15:06 |
| fabiog | eglynn-office: thanks a lot | 15:06 |
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| eglynn-office | other than, I'm most concerned with instance-autorestart | 15:07 |
| eglynn-office | since this was already bumped k1->k2->k3 | 15:07 |
| eglynn-office | I haven't heard from Einav, so I suspect at this stage it won't make it for kilo | 15:07 |
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| eglynn-office | just a quick reminder of the date ... kilo-3 is Mar 19th, feature proposal freeze is Mat 5th | 15:08 |
| ildikov | eglynn-office: I'm not even sure we really need that one... | 15:08 |
| eglynn-office | *Mar 5th | 15:08 |
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| eglynn-office | ildikov: yep, it seems to have been partially based on a mis-understanding of how things currebtly work | 15:09 |
| eglynn-office | anything else on k3? | 15:09 |
| ildikov | eglynn-office: and additionally it's an example for the non-metric meters that we try to get rid of with gordc now | 15:09 |
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| cdent | just a note to say that some tests that don't work with HASHSEED random have leaked back into the test suite | 15:10 |
| ildikov | eglynn-office: I think iops bp is implemented too | 15:10 |
| cdent | but there's as yet no progress on the wsmeext-based problem that is holding up that bug | 15:10 |
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| eglynn-office | ildikov: now marked as such, thanks | 15:10 |
| cdent | (I had it fail locally for me recently but then when I tried to trace it with instrumentation I could get a failure again with a few hundred tries) | 15:10 |
| cdent | couldn't | 15:11 |
| ildikov | eglynn-office: just like disk meters | 15:11 |
| eglynn-office | cdent: darned Heisenbug! :( | 15:11 |
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| ildikov | eglynn-office: tnx :) | 15:12 |
| eglynn-office | ityaptin: are we expecting more regex support in different drivers for regexp-in-complex-query ? | 15:13 |
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| eglynn-office | ildikov: ... landed for sql-a and mongo IIRC, but not hbase? | 15:13 |
| eglynn-office | ityaptin: ^^^ | 15:13 |
| eglynn-office | ildikov: sorry, bad tab completion | 15:14 |
| ildikov | eglynn-office: I remember those two for sure | 15:14 |
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| ityaptin | eglynn: currently, only hbase is overboard . | 15:14 |
| eglynn-office | k, let's leave that one open for now until Ilya can clarify if hbase will be included also | 15:14 |
| ityaptin | eglynn: db2 is supported via pymongo_base | 15:14 |
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| eglynn-office | ityaptin: overboard == will be done for kilo-3? | 15:15 |
| eglynn-office | ityaptin: cool on db2 | 15:15 |
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| ityaptin | eglynn-office: this CR is blocker https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86683/ for complex query on hbase now | 15:16 |
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| * cdent sighs | 15:16 | |
| ityaptin | eglynn-office: because implementing mocked complex query for hbase, it is redundant work and waste of time | 15:17 |
| eglynn-office | ityaptin: agreed | 15:17 |
| eglynn-office | ityaptin: cool, got it, thanks! | 15:17 |
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| eglynn-office | k, moving on | 15:17 |
| ityaptin | eglynn-office: Or, for example, we can remove hbase mock and test hbase manually like postgres and others. | 15:18 |
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| ildikov | ityaptin: I just wanted to ask, what if would do this | 15:18 |
| ityaptin | eglynn-office while waiting for the patch will be merged | 15:18 |
| eglynn-office | ityaptin: problem is can we rely on that ever being run manually? | 15:18 |
| ityaptin | eglynn-office: yep | 15:19 |
| ildikov | eglynn-office: it's not the only backend we don't have on the gate | 15:19 |
| eglynn-office | mysql/psql versus sqlite is one thing, but no automated CI coverage at all for hbase would be a concern | 15:20 |
| eglynn-office | ildikov: are you thinking db2? | 15:20 |
| ildikov | eglynn-office: yeap | 15:21 |
| ityaptin | ildikov, eglynn-office: Big part of db2 functional is covered by mongodb, but I have already looked patches which add uncovered functional | 15:22 |
| ildikov | eglynn-office: and elasticsearch too IIRC | 15:22 |
| eglynn-office | ityaptin: that's only partial coverage at best, amiright? | 15:23 |
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| ildikov | ityaptin: db2 is very similar to mongodb, but testing on mongo instead a real db2 is still just a workaround | 15:23 |
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| ildikov | instead *of* | 15:23 |
| eglynn-office | ildikov: the intent was to include elasticsearch in the gate, but gordc ran into issues with ES not being in the blessed repos for trusty & fedora | 15:24 |
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| ildikov | eglynn-office: I remember the story | 15:24 |
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| eglynn-office | IMO ultimately we need all storage drivers either in the upstream gate or in 3rd party CI | 15:25 |
| ildikov | eglynn-office: but all these things are not relevant for does it worth to have a mocked hbase in-tree, right? | 15:25 |
| eglynn-office | ... or moved out-of-tree so no longer our problem | 15:25 |
| ildikov | eglynn-office: that part I support | 15:25 |
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| eglynn-office | ildikov: the question is mocked habse versus someone taking it upon themselves to manually run the hbase tests periodically | 15:26 |
| * cdent perks ears at "moved out-of-tree" | 15:26 | |
| eglynn-office | ildikov: maybe the question should be ... mocked hbase versus third party CI | 15:26 |
| ildikov | eglynn-office: third party CI | 15:27 |
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| eglynn-office | cdent: one idea would be to issue an ultimatum ... "who's interested in DB2 support? if you want it to stay in-tree, please provide 3rd party CI for it" | 15:27 |
| ildikov | eglynn-office: TBH it does not make much sense to me to test against a mocked db, however all the against real db tests should go under a functional test folder | 15:27 |
| ildikov | eglynn-office: but this would be a separate meeting topic | 15:28 |
| eglynn-office | ildikov: yes and yes ... problem is that the "against real db tests" for hbase would have to skipped upstream currently | 15:28 |
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| ildikov | eglynn-office: so as a sum I support the third party CI and even the out-of-tree ideas, I don't see much point in maintaining big mocks | 15:29 |
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| eglynn-office | (IIRC hbase can't be installed on the upstream CI nodes) | 15:29 |
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| eglynn-office | ildikov: agreed, and I think that's ityaptin's feeling also | 15:29 |
| eglynn-office | (on the not maintaining big mocks) | 15:29 |
| ildikov | eglynn-office: sure, but we will not solve this problem right now, so let's see what we can do with the options that were mentioned here | 15:29 |
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| ildikov | eglynn-office: I mean starting it after the meeting :) | 15:30 |
| eglynn-office | ityaptin: could Mirantis potentially provide 3rd party CI for hbase? | 15:30 |
| eglynn-office | ityaptin: .... just one to think about, you don't need to answer yes/no right now | 15:31 |
| ityaptin | eglynn-office: I make consultation with Dina and others. | 15:31 |
| eglynn-office | ityaptin: excellent, thank you! | 15:32 |
| eglynn-office | right, let's move on to asyncio | 15:32 |
| eglynn-office | #topic Use of ceilometer for PoC of asyncio/trollius adoption | 15:32 |
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| eglynn-office | #link https://review.openstack.org/153298 | 15:32 |
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| ildikov | eglynn-office: what is the timeframe of this PoC? | 15:32 |
| eglynn-office | ildikov: Liberty | 15:32 |
| ildikov | eglynn-office: are we the only candidate for this? | 15:33 |
| eglynn-office | for context, cast your minds back to the midcycle in Paris last July | 15:33 |
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| eglynn-office | this was discussed esp. with the olso-messaging guys on the fringes of that midcycle | 15:33 |
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| eglynn-office | ildikov: both ceilo and oslo-messaging would the initial candidates for PoC | 15:34 |
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| ildikov | eglynn-office: I was just wondering if it will be too much for Ceilo or not, but I will need to check the spec more | 15:34 |
| eglynn-office | haypo has shown a lot of tenacity in keeping this discussion current for many months, despite oppostion | 15:35 |
| cdent | I would prefer to see a more narrow focus than the entire project | 15:35 |
| cdent | perhaps just the notification agent or something like that | 15:35 |
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| cdent | and for sake of working around some of the debates, it should not involve any database access | 15:36 |
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| ildikov | eglynn-office: with the Gnocchi integration and all those feedback mails, I'm worried a bit TBH | 15:36 |
| cdent | ildikov++ | 15:36 |
| linuxhermit | ++ | 15:36 |
| eglynn-office | cdent: doesn't the notification agent directly access the DB also? | 15:37 |
| eglynn-office | cdent: ... i.e. for record_event_data | 15:37 |
| ildikov | eglynn-office: so personally I would prefer not to the candidates or with a really narrow scope that cdent mentioned | 15:37 |
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| cdent | I thought record_event_data was rpc? | 15:37 |
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| cdent | (with gordcs fixes) | 15:37 |
| ildikov | eglynn-office: as much as I can remember Gordon fixed that | 15:37 |
| eglynn-office | cdent: a-ha, yeah | 15:37 |
| cdent | so the collector and api are the database interactors | 15:38 |
| cdent | (until/if the pipeline stuff gets integrated) | 15:38 |
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| eglynn-office | cdent: k, so perhaps a smaller scope might be workable to avoid DB access ... but IIRC the notification agent now uses tooz for group coordination? | 15:39 |
| * eglynn-office is thinking tooz usage == redis driver in production | 15:39 | |
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| ildikov | eglynn-office: until when should we decide this? | 15:40 |
| eglynn-office | seems that would require a change to tooz to use the asyncio-aware redis client? | 15:40 |
| fabiog | cdent: the pipeline stuff wiil use the API to store/read so it won't change | 15:41 |
| cdent | It's not so much about avoiding access to other services, but that Mike Bayer has demonstrated pretty consclusively that there's bigger fish to fry in the database handling world, and wants to fix it in oslo, so trying to leave that stuff out of scope. | 15:41 |
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| cdent | cool, thanks fabiog | 15:41 |
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| eglynn-office | cdent: ok, fair point | 15:41 |
| eglynn-office | ildikov: there isn't a hard deadline, as that spec is not likely to land in the very near future | 15:42 |
| cdent | asyncio + coordination doesn't really map well in my limited brain. | 15:42 |
| eglynn-office | ildikov: ... however it would be good to reach a team consensus and express that in the gerrit review | 15:42 |
| * cdent will drop some comments on the review | 15:43 | |
| eglynn-office | cdent: thanks | 15:43 |
| ildikov | eglynn-office: we do not really have many cores around now, so I would suggest to revisit this question | 15:43 |
| eglynn-office | ildikov: yeap | 15:43 |
| ildikov | eglynn-office: I'm still worried, maybe after checking the spec and book of review comments I will be less worried | 15:44 |
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| eglynn-office | sounds like folks on today are concerned by the risks/impact involved in a widely scoped changeover to asyncio | 15:44 |
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| eglynn-office | but I suspect more support would be forthcoming from a couple of the cores who not on the meeting today | 15:45 |
| cdent | ildikov: it's unfortunate but I think we need to keep a fair balance between making stuff work and generating hype and engagement from outside the project | 15:45 |
| cdent | and something like asyncio will generate some hype | 15:45 |
| cdent | which is lame, but life | 15:45 |
| eglynn-office | cdent: true and true | 15:45 |
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| ildikov | cdent: but we need positive operator feedback mmuch more than happy fellow projects around IMHO, and being lab rats does not seem to give this to us | 15:46 |
| cdent | ildikov: I mostly agree, but on the other hand it seems most operators have given up on us | 15:47 |
| ildikov | cdent: but you can count this fear on my female genes ;) | 15:47 |
| linuxhermit | ildikov: ++ | 15:47 |
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| linuxhermit | cdent: we haven | 15:47 |
| linuxhermit | t | 15:47 |
| mmester | I think most of the operators are still stuck on database issues related to performance | 15:47 |
| cdent | that's because you're a dear sweet friend linuxhermit ;) | 15:47 |
| mmester | at least we are | 15:47 |
| eglynn-office | linuxhermit: that's good to hear | 15:47 |
| ildikov | cdent: if that would be true then everyone would need to look for another project right this moment | 15:47 |
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| linuxhermit | mmester: it's a problem but we've got work arounds | 15:48 |
| eglynn-office | linuxhermit: I'd love to hear more about your production setup | 15:49 |
| ildikov | cdent: I'm just saying that we need to start making the customers happy in order to not starve to death, that's life too | 15:49 |
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| eglynn-office | (within the bounds of what can be publicly disclosed of course) | 15:49 |
| mmester | +1 | 15:49 |
| ildikov | cdent: but I don't want to argue about this, but someone has to list the concerns too in order to make a reasonable decision | 15:49 |
| linuxhermit | let me find out how much I can share | 15:50 |
| eglynn-office | linuxhermit: excellent, thank you! | 15:50 |
| linuxhermit | but we = Cisco | 15:50 |
| mmester | :) | 15:50 |
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| cdent | No need to argue about ildikov, I fundamentally agree with you. | 15:50 |
| ildikov | linuxhermit: thanks in advance for the feedback even if that well be pretty short | 15:50 |
| eglynn-office | coolness :) | 15:50 |
| linuxhermit | so yeah... we have many different things between Cisco Cloud Services, Metacloud, and On premise | 15:50 |
| mmester | linuxhermit me = cisco too | 15:51 |
| ildikov | cdent: cool :) | 15:51 |
| linuxhermit | mmester: which part | 15:51 |
| mmester | OSS | 15:51 |
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| mmester | CCS | 15:51 |
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| eglynn-office | #topic gnocchi status | 15:52 |
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| eglynn-office | I think most of the folks directly involved are not on today, so let's punt this one | 15:52 |
| eglynn-office | #topic open-discussion | 15:52 |
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| eglynn-office | anyone got conference sessions they'd like to promote here? | 15:53 |
| * cdent is very happy with the very quick progress on improving the postgresql testing situation | 15:53 | |
| eglynn-office | vote solicitation is part of the game | 15:53 |
| cdent | me: | 15:53 |
| cdent | https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/apis-matter | 15:53 |
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| eglynn-office | nice! | 15:54 |
| ildikov | cdent: good one :) | 15:54 |
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| linuxhermit | https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/stabilizing-the-jenga-tower-scaling-out-ceilometer | 15:55 |
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| linuxhermit | it's not me | 15:55 |
| gordc | https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/the-anatomy-of-an-action | 15:55 |
| linuxhermit | but it looks awesome and one of the cisco people is going it | 15:55 |
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| gordc | linuxhermit: and me! :) | 15:55 |
| eglynn-office | wow, gordc waring a suit and tie?!! | 15:55 |
| linuxhermit | and you! | 15:56 |
| gordc | lol | 15:56 |
| eglynn-office | ... say it ain't so! :) | 15:56 |
| mmester | https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/ceilometer-and-the-oss-experience | 15:56 |
| gordc | brother's wedding. | 15:56 |
| gordc | i'm a suit | 15:56 |
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| eglynn-office | LOL :) | 15:56 |
| linuxhermit | ha | 15:56 |
| eglynn-office | coolness, I'd encourage everyone to vote early & often for these proposals | 15:57 |
| eglynn-office | ... even if the voting isn't the only determinant of success | 15:57 |
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| eglynn-office | (which I disagree with TBH, should be either a pure vote or a track chair decision, not a weird mixture of both) | 15:58 |
| gordc | i assume all is well | 15:58 |
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| gordc | i pretty sure the vote button isn't connected to anything. | 15:58 |
| eglynn-office | right, shotclock is against us folks | 15:58 |
| eglynn-office | gordc: you cynic, you! | 15:59 |
| gordc | :) | 15:59 |
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| mmester | lol | 15:59 |
| eglynn-office | k, thanks for you time folks, let's call it a wrap | 15:59 |
| linuxhermit | cya all thank you | 15:59 |
| gordc | laters! | 15:59 |
| eglynn-office | #endmeeting ceilometer | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 19 15:59:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-02-19-15.01.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-02-19-15.01.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-02-19-15.01.log.html | 15:59 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 19 22:00:44 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 22:00 |
| mtreinish | hi, who's here today? | 22:00 |
| oomichi | hi | 22:01 |
| masayukig | hi | 22:01 |
| dkranz | hi | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_February_19th_2015_.282200_UTC.29 | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 22:01 |
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| oomichi | but I need to leave here in 30 mins | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: ok | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer, sdague, jogo: ping | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | well let's get started | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | #topic QA End of Cycle Code Sprint | 22:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "QA End of Cycle Code Sprint (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:02 | |
| mtreinish | so I just wanted to make a quick mention of this in case someone missed the ml post: | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/057168.html | 22:03 |
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| jogo | mtreinish: o/ a bit distracted because blocking ceilometer, cinder, glance, requirments, devstack, grenade are wedged | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | but we'll be doing a qa code sprint in nyc at the end of March | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | if anyone is interested in attending the slots are filling up, I think there are only 3 left | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | the email has the details | 22:04 |
| gmann | hi | 22:04 |
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| pennerc | o/ | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | that's all I had for this topic, if there's nothign else we can move on | 22:04 |
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| dtroyer | o/ | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | #topic Spec Reviews | 22:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spec Reviews (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:05 | |
| mtreinish | does anyone have any open spec reviews to discuss this week? | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | heh, I'll take that as a no then :) | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | let's move on then | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 22:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:06 | |
| mtreinish | does anyone have an in progress bp to discuss | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | I see dkranz put one on the agenda | 22:07 |
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| dkranz | yes | 22:07 |
| dkranz | Final reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/clients-return-one-value,n,z | 22:07 |
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| dkranz | four of them, two have a +2 already. They are not big. | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | ok, I'll take a look after the meeting | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | should be pretty quick | 22:08 |
| dkranz | I am proposing to leave swift as is, at least for now. | 22:08 |
| dkranz | I didn't get much response or proposal. | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah I'm fine with that. I had a feeling that would be the case because it's all headers | 22:08 |
| dkranz | The swift api is an outlier, using headers instead of dicts for many things | 22:08 |
| dkranz | So I will close the bp as soon as the above patches merge. | 22:09 |
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| oomichi | dkranz: +1 | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: awesome | 22:09 |
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| dkranz | that's it | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | ok, does anoyone else have an in progress bp to discuss? | 22:09 |
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| mtreinish | I know andreaf_ has been working on the auth tempest-lib migration | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | there was a question for oomichi at one point about the tokenclient migration | 22:11 |
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| mtreinish | oomichi: did andreaf_ get a chance to ask you about that? | 22:11 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: nothing from him | 22:11 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: are there any concerns about auth migration? | 22:11 |
| * dstanek was running late, but is here now | 22:12 | |
| gmann | mtreinish: oomichi : CONF removal patch for token clients https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156906/ | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: ok, IIRC the issue is the auth layer depends on the tokenclient and there were some questions about how/when to migrate that to the lib | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | gmann: oh, that patch might have just been all that was needed :) | 22:12 |
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| mtreinish | well without andreaf_ here to outline the specific questions, it's not really something we can discuss I guess | 22:14 |
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| mtreinish | so I'll circle back with him tomorrow and make sure everything is still on track for that | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | ok, are there any other bps to discuss? Otherwise we can move on | 22:14 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: thanks in advance:) | 22:14 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Devstack | 22:15 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: now I know there's been some cool stuff this past week in devstack | 22:16 |
| dtroyer | just a bit ;) | 22:16 |
| dtroyer | We're deep into the venv changes, the wheel cache builder merged today | 22:16 |
| dtroyer | I'm working ahead on getting the layer 1 services into individual venvs, nova is a @#$%^&*%#@@!# | 22:16 |
| jogo | dtroyer: per service venvs? | 22:17 |
| dtroyer | I'm planning to put the higher layer services into a single default venv so we dont' have to go around and change everyone's plugins | 22:17 |
| dtroyer | jogo: think that's overkill? it turned out to be nearly the same work either way | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | heh, I can imagine. Is it just the libvirt stuff? | 22:17 |
| dtroyer | and rootwrap, so cinder and ironic are looming | 22:18 |
| jogo | dtroyer: overkill probably not. just wondering | 22:18 |
| jogo | dtroyer: just thinking distros won't like it | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | jogo: and? :) | 22:18 |
| jogo | mtreinish: and nothing | 22:18 |
| dtroyer | jogo: it's eposing some assumptions that I think are good to flesh out, like all the stuff nobody knows is required because another project installed it | 22:18 |
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| jogo | dtroyer: yeah, I am excited to see this coming along nicely | 22:19 |
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| dtroyer | anyway, another related thing that sdague proposed is removing all distro-packaged pure python packages. that was going to effectively happen with venvs, probably good to make it explicit | 22:19 |
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| dtroyer | anyway, that's pretty much my quiet week in Weatherby Lake | 22:20 |
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| mtreinish | heh, ok does anyone else have anything to bring up on devstack? | 22:21 |
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| dkranz | jogo: is there a simple explanation of what "distros won't like" and why? | 22:22 |
| jogo | dkranz: yes, because distros don't use venvs to install things. they want one set of common deps | 22:23 |
| jogo | so it just means our test env is not the way a distro would do it | 22:23 |
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| jogo | doesn't mean we automatically break things for them though. g-r should take care of that | 22:23 |
| dkranz | jogo: ok | 22:24 |
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| dkranz | jogo: the future is probably containers anyway | 22:24 |
| dkranz | jogo: which solve the same problem as vms | 22:24 |
| dkranz | jogo: venvs | 22:24 |
| jogo | dkranz: :) | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | ok if there isn't anything else let's move on | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | #topic Grenade | 22:25 |
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| mtreinish | jogo, dtroyer: anything new with grenade this week? | 22:25 |
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| dtroyer | I haven't even looked at it, except in how it will handle the venvs | 22:26 |
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| jogo | nothing on my end | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | ok | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | does anyone else have anything to discuss on grenade? | 22:27 |
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| mtreinish | ok, then let's move on | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | #topic test_server_basic_ops testscenarios usage (mtreinish) | 22:28 |
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| mtreinish | so this is something that came up in a bug/review | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | we've got a test class in tempest.scenario that uses testscenarios over a matrix of images and flavors | 22:29 |
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| mtreinish | and I was wondering if that is still useful for people | 22:29 |
| andreaf_ | o/ | 22:29 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: as indicated in the review, I agree that we are abusing testscenarios and like andreaf suggestion | 22:30 |
| andreaf_ | mtreinish: sry I'm late :) | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: sure, that's a path out of the mess in it's current implementation | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | but I was just taking a step back and wondering if that functionality is really used by anyone | 22:30 |
| dkranz | andreaf: Didn't you put it in? | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | I still think andreaf_'s suggestion long term is something we want (images.yaml or whatever) | 22:31 |
| andreaf_ | mtreinish: well we do use it in out testing | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | andreaf_: ok that's all I was looking for :) | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | I just didn't know if there was a real use case for it | 22:31 |
| andreaf_ | mtreinish: well we use it for routine validation of multiple guest images | 22:32 |
| mtreinish | because the test that's looping over the matrix is pretty simple | 22:32 |
| mtreinish | anyway it's nothing critical because we have a workaround to stop the failure | 22:33 |
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| mtreinish | and a long term path | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | I just was curious | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | because that utils module is a source of constant bugs with discovery and test listing | 22:33 |
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| mtreinish | ok that's all I had for this topic. Does anyone else have anything to add? | 22:34 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 22:34 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tempest-bug-report | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | from last week I still need to schedule the bug backlog day | 22:35 |
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| mtreinish | I had the bug rotation this week and only a few new bugs came in | 22:36 |
| dkranz | ALso, gmann signed up for next week but no one after that | 22:36 |
| dkranz | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-bug-triage-rotation | 22:36 |
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| masayukig | dkranz: I'll do :) | 22:36 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I wanted to discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1296955 | 22:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1296955 in tempest "Cannot run tempest without admin creds" [Medium,Incomplete] | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: sure | 22:37 |
| gmann | mtreinish: dkranz: we might need to circulate mail again | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | gmann: sure, can you take care of doing that? | 22:37 |
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| gmann | masayukig: thanks :) | 22:37 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I tried several variants of the conf file and all failed quite miserably | 22:37 |
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| gmann | mtreinish: sure, i will send today | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | gmann: great, thanks | 22:38 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: as per my last comment in the ticket, I need a statement of exactly what is expected to work by the implementors of test-accounts because this is not documented | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | #action gmann to send a call for volunteers on bug triage | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: sure I'll write up a doc and push it out | 22:38 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: really all that is needed is a diff from a standard devstack gate created tempest.conf and one that is claiming to work with no admin | 22:39 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: my guess is that what I tried is actually in the "supposed to work" category but does not | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: sure that might be, we don't test this case frequently so it might not work | 22:40 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I can debug this more once we establish what is supposed to work | 22:40 |
| andreaf_ | dkranz, mtreinish: some patches I'm also working on will help make things more consistent with admin credentials - now many tests / base classes allocate credentials their own way | 22:40 |
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| mtreinish | but I'll put together a doc on how to run without admin and test it too | 22:40 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: thanks! | 22:40 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: there was also the comment in Sean's testing recap about getting rid of admin tests in tempest | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | andreaf_: sure, that was one of the advantages of the resource split bp | 22:41 |
| andreaf_ | indeed | 22:41 |
| dkranz | Not sure I agree with that | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: that's really something else. He's calling for the removal of the api admin tests not the removal of tests requiring admin | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I'm not in full agreement with it either, especially because what's an "admin api" is configurable | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | but I think the intent there was to not test things like agregates/azs in tempest because they're really error prone because of the global state issue | 22:43 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Yes, but there will not be many tests requiring admin that are not testing admin apis | 22:43 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: sure. And tests that shut down hosts :) | 22:43 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: But it is certainly true that policy files make it not clear what is an admin api and what not. | 22:44 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: that's part of what I didn't like | 22:44 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: But we can move on | 22:44 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: sure, maybe leave some comments on the review | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | I already did, but it looks like sdague just ignored most of them | 22:45 |
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| mtreinish | I also don't feel super strongly about it | 22:45 |
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| mtreinish | ok does anyone else have any other bugs to discuss? | 22:45 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:46 |
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| mtreinish | ok does anyone have a review they'd like to get some extra eyes on? | 22:46 |
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| mtreinish | well if no one else does I'll put some of mine :) | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/154210 | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | that should be pretty simple just an oslo lib migration | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | and | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/157182 | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | that isn't critical but getting some extra opinions on it would be cool | 22:48 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: oh, yeah. I wasn't sure about showing all the jitter by default | 22:49 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: on the last one | 22:49 |
| dstanek | i have a keystone review i'd love to get feedback on | 22:49 |
| dstanek | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153300/ | 22:49 |
| dstanek | it's how we are thinking about functional testing | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | dstanek: sure I'll take a look | 22:49 |
| dstanek | that's the spec and i do have some code for devstack plugins and other stuff | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: well it only shows up if there is data to do it with | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: but I'm fine with making it opt-in | 22:50 |
| dstanek | mtreinish: thx | 22:50 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I think that would be better, at least at first | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: heh, the jitter is kinda of fun on quick unit tests though | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: like I got "[0.439191s +5966.17%]" on one test :) | 22:51 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: :) | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | ok does anyone else have any reviews to discuss? | 22:52 |
| andreaf_ | mtreinish: when you do the preseeding, do you use data from the same job only? | 22:52 |
| andreaf_ | or is it the overall avg of a test across all jobs? | 22:52 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: but seriously, that means the percent allowed needs to be scaled to the actual time somehow | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | andreaf_: no it was originally an average across all jobs | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | but that didn't work because it would strip the attrs from the subunit | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | so now it's just the 10 most recent samples during nodepool image creation | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | we can't filter it by job because we do it with a nodepool script so it'll be used with all the jobs | 22:54 |
| andreaf_ | mtreinish: ok cool | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | andreaf_: fwiw, it seems pretty hit or miss whether it does anything | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | I still need to do more debug to figure out why | 22:54 |
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| mtreinish | well I think we've already moved into the open discussion | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | #topic Open Discussion | 22:55 |
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| mtreinish | so in the last 5 min. does anyone have anything to bring up that wasn't on the agenda? | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | I see dims put up a reminder about the GSoC stuff | 22:56 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GSoC2015 | 22:56 |
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| mtreinish | does anoyone have anything else to discuss? | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | otherwise we can just end here for today | 22:57 |
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| masayukig | thanks everyone :) | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | heh | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 22:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 19 22:58:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-02-19-22.00.html | 22:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-02-19-22.00.txt | 22:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-02-19-22.00.log.html | 22:58 |
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| gmann | Thanks all | 22:58 |
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