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| eglynn | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 12 15:16:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:16 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:16 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:16 |
| eglynn | #topic Kilo-3 status | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo-3 status (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:16 | |
| sileht | o/ | 15:16 |
| _elena_ | o/ | 15:16 |
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| fabiog | hi | 15:16 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:16 |
| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:16 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:17 |
| gordc | o/'= | 15:17 |
| gordc | ... | 15:17 |
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| linuxhermit | o/ | 15:17 |
| cdent | o/ | 15:18 |
| eglynn | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/kilo-3 | 15:19 |
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| eglynn | ^^^ does that capture everything? | 15:19 |
| eglynn | it includes a few holdovers from kilo-2 | 15:19 |
| cdent | the functional testing spec (which I think is still pending) probably will go in there? | 15:20 |
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| eglynn | cdent: yep | 15:20 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: would you please add https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/power-thermal-data into kilo-3? | 15:20 |
| gordc | looks ok to me. i think me ityaptin will add one for event transformer/bracketing related work. | 15:21 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: sure ... is Edwin working on it? | 15:21 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: I think so | 15:21 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: cool if he has the bandwidth to work on it | 15:21 |
| eglynn | so heads up on the dates | 15:21 |
| eglynn | kilo-3 is due on March 19th | 15:22 |
| eglynn | but we have a feature proposal freeze two weeks prior | 15:22 |
| eglynn | that means initial version of patches need to be proposed for Mar 5th | 15:22 |
| eglynn | ... we aimed for that last time too, didn't quite make it ;) | 15:23 |
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| eglynn | it basically reduces the need for last minute feature freeze exceptions | 15:23 |
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| ityaptin | o/ | 15:23 |
| ildikov | and the last minute gate issues too hopefully | 15:24 |
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| eglynn | yeap | 15:25 |
| eglynn | let's move on (since I burned the first 15 mins) | 15:25 |
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| eglynn | #topic gnocchi status | 15:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "gnocchi status (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:26 | |
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| eglynn | so as I said before, we need owners for everything in http://bit.ly/gnocchi-ceilo-k3-tasks | 15:27 |
| ityaptin | I write to paper all storage driver features by last 2 months for implement it in influxdb and opentsdb CRs | 15:27 |
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| eglynn | thanks to all who volunteered | 15:27 |
| eglynn | blueprints can now be filed for gnocchi | 15:28 |
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| eglynn | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/gnocchi | 15:28 |
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| eglynn | jd__: IIRC the TC confirmed on Tuesday evening that they're open for business in terms of accepting big tent applications | 15:29 |
| jd__ | cool that's good news | 15:30 |
| jd__ | I've made some progress on the gnocchi client – working on openstacksdk | 15:30 |
| jd__ | and I'm still working on that | 15:30 |
| eglynn | jd__: yeah, I saw the patch for capabilities, nice | 15:30 |
| jd__ | I'm also working on adding to openstackclient | 15:30 |
| jd__ | final goal is to have "openstack metric create ..." | 15:30 |
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| jd__ | other than that we're on a good road I think :) | 15:31 |
| sileht | I got accepted new resources for heat and I finished the setup of gate/devstack, we have now 1 functional test :p | 15:32 |
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| eglynn | sileht: yeah, good getting the buy in on that for heat | 15:33 |
| eglynn | *from heat | 15:33 |
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| eglynn | move on? | 15:34 |
| eglynn | #topic swift middleware support in juno tests | 15:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "swift middleware support in juno tests (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:34 | |
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| cdent | s'all good | 15:34 |
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| eglynn | gordc the floor is your's ... ^^^ | 15:34 |
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| gordc | sorry wasn't paying attention... | 15:35 |
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| eglynn | gordc: no worries ... so do you want to expand on that? | 15:35 |
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| gordc | so basically this is to discuss ongoing issue regarding swift middleware and it's dependecies | 15:36 |
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| eglynn | gordc: I'm not sure that backporting removal would be kosher | 15:36 |
| eglynn | a-ha that's not what you're suggesting | 15:36 |
| eglynn | just backport test changes, amiright? | 15:36 |
| gordc | we have the new middleware in a separate library... but it won't work against juno since the listeners aren't in juno | 15:36 |
| gordc | so i guess the question is do we want to backport the listeners to juno | 15:37 |
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| eglynn | a-ha, got it | 15:37 |
| cdent | I'm not sure it is worth the effort | 15:37 |
| cdent | Last night's failures were a red herring, not ceilo's fault. | 15:37 |
| gordc | that or we continue as is... and handle dep issues as they come. | 15:37 |
| gordc | cdent: yeah. | 15:37 |
| eglynn | so strictly speaking that would not be a backportable thing according to the upstream criteria | 15:37 |
| eglynn | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch#Appropriate_Fixes | 15:37 |
| gordc | just like to reach a consensus going forward i guess. | 15:37 |
| cdent | (I added some additional notes to the bug to reflect last night's research) | 15:38 |
| eglynn | New features == completely verboten | 15:38 |
| eglynn | however | 15:38 |
| eglynn | I can see certain distros backporting | 15:38 |
| gordc | or we turn off swift tests as a third option... but i guess we're all leaning to just tracking issues as they come | 15:38 |
| eglynn | gordc: turn off grenade tests, or? | 15:39 |
| ildikov | gordc: I'm leaning | 15:39 |
| cdent | I think just leave things as they are, see what happens. | 15:39 |
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| eglynn | cdent: the Irish solution :) | 15:39 |
| ildikov | eglynn: LOL :) | 15:40 |
| cdent | My mom was born there... | 15:40 |
| gordc | lol... programmers solution. | 15:40 |
| linuxhermit | :) | 15:40 |
| llu-laptop | speaking of the gate test for old version, why do have have gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-python-ceilometerclient-icehouse for ceilometerclient? | 15:40 |
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| * eglynn hands cdent honourary citizenship :) | 15:40 | |
| * cdent accepts his bottle | 15:40 | |
| linuxhermit | haha | 15:40 |
| eglynn | LOL :) | 15:40 |
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| llu-laptop | I saw that task overwrite ceiloclient's requirement with icehouse version, and test the latest ceiloclient code on the overwrote requirements, that doesn't seems right to me | 15:41 |
| gordc | i think we can close off i guess... the capping of requirements in juno should probably minimise any dep issues anyways | 15:41 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: good question, I don't know ... do any of the other python-*clients have similar | 15:41 |
| eglynn | gordc: ok | 15:41 |
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| eglynn | #topic the real world/ready for primetime threads | 15:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "the real world/ready for primetime threads (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:41 | |
| eglynn | cdent: thanks for bringing this one up | 15:42 |
| eglynn | it does not make for comfortable reading | 15:42 |
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| cdent | Yeah, I added that because it's just sort of embarassing and I think we need to be more aggressive about responding and reacting in an active and productive way, not just ignoring it. | 15:42 |
| eglynn | I have not reply as the OP is specifically looking for operational experiences | 15:42 |
| gordc | i read the one which mentioned there's a doc that says mysql is the recommended backend. | 15:42 |
| eglynn | (not rebuttal from us) | 15:42 |
| cdent | Things are much better now since Juno, but I'm not really sure how much better. | 15:42 |
| gordc | we need to hunt down that doc and burn it to the ground | 15:42 |
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| gordc | cdent: i think mongo issues will still exist in juno... side effect of people not understanding mongo and well... mongo | 15:43 |
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| cdent | And in general I think the project as a whole has a bit of an image problem that is not helped by the fact we don't often think about what we're doing in operational terms. Instead funcional. | 15:43 |
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| eglynn | I'd like to let the thread play out a bit more, then respond acknowledging the issues in the storage layer and point to the efforts to improve scalability & perf with gnocchi | 15:43 |
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| eglynn | anyone who'd like to rebut very specific points also (e.g. the mysql by default), obviously feel free | 15:44 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: we should ask for deployment scenarios where these people found issues | 15:45 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: those could be real pointers to where we need to be in the future regarding performane | 15:45 |
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| cdent | I really think that actively engaging with operators to figure out how to improve ceilo would be a great thing. Real use cases, etc. | 15:45 |
| eglynn | fabiog: in terms of deployment sizes etc.? | 15:45 |
| jd__ | I think we are all well aware of our issues and we're trying to address them, we just lack manpower | 15:45 |
| cdent | I'm not sure how we ... | 15:45 |
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| cdent | yeah what jd said | 15:45 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: exactly. So we will know what they expect and at which scale | 15:46 |
| cdent | However, unless we are actively, almost constantly, telling people "we're working on it" no one will think we actually are | 15:46 |
| jd__ | we have ~10 developers with an equivalent of 2-3 developers full time max I'd say | 15:46 |
| jd__ | cdent: sure | 15:46 |
| jd__ | fingers crossed the situation is going to be far better once Gnocchi enters the scene | 15:46 |
| eglynn | true, but there's only so many times you can say "patches are welcome" and not get much response | 15:46 |
| * cdent nods | 15:47 | |
| cdent | some small part of that is probably people rocking up and saying "i'd like to help but architecturally this is a mess so nevermind" | 15:47 |
| cdent | (that is, of the very small number of people who interested, some segment is turned away in distaste) | 15:48 |
| cdent | (gnocchi ought to help that) | 15:48 |
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| gordc | cdent: architectually what is a mess? | 15:48 |
| eglynn | yes, distaste for archiecture ... aslo with some social aspects IIRC | 15:48 |
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| cdent | gordc: ceilometer | 15:48 |
| cdent | So yeah: image problem. Which is fixable, but takes some work, of what sort I'm not sure. | 15:49 |
| cdent | Work that is especially hard to do given resource constraints. | 15:49 |
| gordc | cdent: uh.. ok. i'm not sure anyone would know what to do with that if someone just said that and dropped the mic. | 15:49 |
| cdent | Well I'm not trying to finish the topic, I'm trying to start it. | 15:50 |
| cdent | But on the other hand I don't think we can finish it right here right now. We just need to put it in our heads and care. | 15:50 |
| eglynn | we need to demonstrate progress with gnocchi integration, provide realistic hope for a "game changer" IMO | 15:51 |
| eglynn | it doesn't have to be absolutely the finished article in kilo | 15:51 |
| eglynn | but enough to realistically tech preview | 15:51 |
| gordc | cdent: yeah, i'm just saying i don't know what i would do with that if you said it to me... it's way way too broad. | 15:51 |
| jd__ | we need to polish ceilo/gnocchi integration and let people play with it | 15:51 |
| cdent | which "it" gordc? | 15:51 |
| eglynn | jd__: exactly, I agree | 15:51 |
| cdent | jd__++ | 15:52 |
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| gordc | cdent: "architectually, this is a mess" | 15:52 |
| jd__ | so gogogo pick item up in the k3 list and work on it! :p | 15:52 |
| eglynn | ^^^ wot that man said! | 15:52 |
| cdent | gordc: I'm saying that I think people have that reaction. The reasons why they do are unclear. | 15:52 |
| linuxhermit | I can say that I've heard that a few times | 15:52 |
| cdent | Surely it doesn't surprise you that they might have that reaction? | 15:52 |
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| gordc | cdent: not saying they're wrong. i'm just saying it'd help if they gave the reason so we could fix it. | 15:53 |
| jd__ | I understand that the architecture seems like a mess because it grew organically in different direction with a large scope | 15:53 |
| jd__ | thing is we are improving that | 15:53 |
| cdent | We're talking about two different things. The issue is not that the architecture is a mess. | 15:53 |
| jd__ | I think we expose our plan a lot, e.g. we write about it and we do webinar (hint hint eglynn) but people just don't listen :) | 15:54 |
| eglynn | cdent: you're saying the issue is perception? | 15:54 |
| jd__ | they want _results_ | 15:54 |
| cdent | yes eglynn | 15:54 |
| cdent | I think the architecture is a mess, but I think we can fix it. | 15:54 |
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| eglynn | cdent: the way to change that perception is to show concrete progress on a realistic game changer, IMHO | 15:55 |
| cdent | But an operator/user cares about whether they can percive that there is progress and a good direction. | 15:55 |
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| cdent | And I agree with you eglynn | 15:55 |
| linuxhermit | jd__ as a new operator I've not seen those things | 15:55 |
| cdent | exactly linuxhermit | 15:55 |
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| cdent | there is _zero_ visibility into the real future of ceilo | 15:55 |
| cdent | (for people who aren't tracking patches) | 15:55 |
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| eglynn | cdent: I gave an RDO hangout earlier in the week and put gnocchi absolutely front and centre | 15:56 |
| cdent | great, good start | 15:56 |
| eglynn | cdent: ... i.e. I said nothing else about all the other work that's been landing in kilo | 15:56 |
| fabiog | cdent: also there isn't an articulated and phased description on how Gnocchi and Ceilometer will merge/interact. Maybe we can start work on this | 15:57 |
| rbowen | Video at https://plus.google.com/events/cht3k5nr5u73pv3d08i7vq5m570 | 15:57 |
| cdent | fabiog: that's a good idea too | 15:57 |
| eglynn | (not becaus ethat wasn't important, more coz we need to continually bang the gnocchi drum) | 15:57 |
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| eglynn | ... in order to start the perception shift | 15:57 |
| cdent | I'd prefer to state what I'm trying to say in a more encouraging way but I get the impression I'm making people defensive, that's not my intent at all. | 15:57 |
| linuxhermit | nod | 15:57 |
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| cdent | We don't need to start Perl 6. | 15:58 |
| eglynn | cdent: sorry if that came across as defensive ... that was not intended on my part, and I'm glad you brought this up | 15:58 |
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| fabiog | cdent: yes, thanks. It really helps to have ops perspectives. At the end of the day *they* are our customers :-) | 15:59 |
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| eglynn | so we need semi-closure on gnocchi and we need to get the message out on it at summit | 16:00 |
| gordc | so i guess track the thread and hope they give specific issues that need to be fixed? | 16:00 |
| cdent | with regard to making gnocchi visible and popular I do think we can do a better job of having the "articulated and phased description" that fabiog mentions. | 16:00 |
| eglynn | semi-closure == not necessarily done & dusted, but enough to play with | 16:00 |
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| cdent | that will also help drive contributions appropriately | 16:00 |
| cdent | times up | 16:01 |
| fabiog | eglynn: I will be happy to work on it. I took responsiblity for documenting this anyway from the list | 16:01 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: excellent, that would be welcome | 16:01 |
| eglynn | yep, we're hogging the channel beyond our allocated slot | 16:01 |
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| eglynn | thanks folks and apols for the late start | 16:01 |
| gordc | laters | 16:01 |
| fabiog | eglynn: I will need to meet with you and jd__ to discuss it in detail | 16:02 |
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| linuxhermit | bye all | 16:02 |
| eglynn | #endmeeting ceilometer | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 12 16:02:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-02-12-15.16.html | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-02-12-15.16.txt | 16:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-02-12-15.16.log.html | 16:02 |
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| mtreinish | #starmeeting qa | 17:00 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 12 17:01:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | helps to spell start correctly... | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | hi, who's here today? | 17:01 |
| dkranz | here | 17:01 |
| gema | o/ | 17:01 |
| andreaf | o/ | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_February_12th_2015_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 17:02 |
| 7YUAAB0C9 | o/ | 17:02 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | ok let's get started | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | #topic Specs Reviews | 17:02 |
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| jlanoux | hi | 17:02 |
| fnaval | o/ | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have an open spec review to bring up | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | or discuss | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | ? | 17:03 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: It's not our spec, but folks here should be aware of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150653 | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: oh, yeah that's a good one to bring up | 17:04 |
| dmorita | o/ | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | I think sdague has done a good job outlining testing and the direction we should be moving towards in it | 17:04 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: agreed, and there is an intersection with our discussions around tempest futures | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | probably something others here would like to read too | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah, it's part of the reason why I wrote https://review.openstack.org/152683 | 17:05 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: a number of folks have asked me about functional tests in tempest vs in projects | 17:05 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: and we do not have a clear answer except at the boundaries: integration tests in, detailed project-specific functional tests out | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: well that's mostly because a lot of it is still new | 17:07 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: right, so the question is do we wait until Vancouver for further discussion/resolution about that? | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | I think things will get more clear as the patterns for doing things evolve | 17:07 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: I think it'll be a continual conversation | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | which will also take place in Vancouver | 17:08 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, so we will continue to deal with issues of where tests belong on an ad-hoc basis for a while | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: sure, but we can also use it as an exercise to help explore how one could test something outside of tempest | 17:08 |
| dkranz | sure | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | ok, are there any other specs to discuss? | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | lets move on then | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 17:10 |
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| mtreinish | ok, does anyone have an in progress BP they'd like to discuss? | 17:10 |
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| dkranz | client-returns one value | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: sure | 17:11 |
| dkranz | I put the review link at the end of the agenda | 17:11 |
| dkranz | I am planning to wrap this up soon | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | awesome, how many clients do you have left? :) | 17:11 |
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| dkranz | But I saved the high-impact for rebase ones for last so reviews would be appreciated | 17:11 |
| dkranz | object and compute servers are the main ones remaining | 17:12 |
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| mtreinish | ok | 17:12 |
| dkranz | Just a few more hours work I think | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | cool, that'll be good to finally finish | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | object will be interesting because it uses headers more than other projects | 17:13 |
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| dkranz | yes, that's why I left it for last | 17:13 |
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| mtreinish | heh, fair enough | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | ok are there any other blueprints to bring up? | 17:13 |
| dkranz | but it is really just one extra line "resp = xxx().response" and the rest of the code does not change | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah that's a good point | 17:14 |
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| mtreinish | ok, well I guess I should mention we pushed out another tempest-lib release yesterday | 17:15 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: I missed a few minutes - are you talking about bps now? | 17:15 |
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| mtreinish | this time just a small point release fixing a subunit-trace bug with not passing through stdout | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: yes | 17:15 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: is the process of pushing a new tempest-lib release documented somewhere? | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yes, on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/QA/releases | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | it still has some gaps, I need to flush it out some more | 17:16 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, cool | 17:16 |
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| mtreinish | it's also slightly out of date (we don't have to bump setup.cfg anymore) | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: did you have a bp (or 3) to bring up? | 17:17 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: yes | 17:18 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: resource-cleanup #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/resource-cleanup | 17:18 |
| andreaf | so it turns out that issues we saw were due to set_network_resource being called at the wrong point in time, due to the split of resource cleanup | 17:19 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: yeah, it needed to be called before the isolated creds call | 17:20 |
| andreaf | I'm working on a patch that temporary solve that by detecting this situation and doing a re-setting up network resources | 17:20 |
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| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/153681 | 17:20 |
| andreaf | it almost passes now I think, there are still a few failures I need to look at | 17:20 |
| andreaf | in the process I also worked on dropping _interface from everywhere | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: ok, I'll take a look. We have to be careful becase it was originally written so that leaf classes got first prio for the network_resource settings | 17:21 |
| andreaf | yes indeed | 17:21 |
| andreaf | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/resource-cleanup++status:open,n,z | 17:21 |
| andreaf | there is a large number of patches for this bp, so reviews and comments are very welcome | 17:21 |
| andreaf | next bp is the tempest lib one | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | wow, that is quite a few | 17:22 |
| andreaf | indeed :) | 17:22 |
| andreaf | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/tempest-library | 17:22 |
| andreaf | on the tempest lib I'm working on migrating auth module | 17:22 |
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| andreaf | the preparation work is almost done, first patch just merged, two more to go: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:libify_auth++status:open,n,z | 17:23 |
| andreaf | more reviews are welcome as I'd like the code to be nice before we migrate to lib | 17:23 |
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| andreaf | on the ssh auth one #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/ssh-auth-strategy | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: yeah, this is a high prio one to migrate | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | because it's needed for a lot of things | 17:24 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: yep indeed - it should sit together with rest client asap anyways :) | 17:25 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: btw there's a fix from jamie on auth.py, I think that should go in before we migrate | 17:26 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: to better support domain scoped tokens | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: sure | 17:27 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154773/ | 17:27 |
| andreaf | ok | 17:27 |
| andreaf | back to the ssh auth bp | 17:27 |
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| andreaf | jlanoux and nithyag_ are doing good progress there, working on the initial patches that define the common framework for instance validation | 17:28 |
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| andreaf | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/ssh-auth-strategy++status:open,n,z | 17:29 |
| andreaf | still WIP though | 17:29 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf:is it something we need to get more eyes on? | 17:29 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: probably not yet, they're still WIP, but soon enough | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | ok | 17:30 |
| jlanoux | mtreinish: not yet. we still have a bit of work on the remote client qnd it will be ready for review | 17:30 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: so not many news on the test accounts one, only that some of the work done for other bps may help a bit for test-accounts as well :) | 17:31 |
| mtreinish | heh, sure. I need to get back to my patch for that too | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: any other bps otherwise let's move on | 17:32 |
| * andreaf thinks he has taken enough time of the meeting now for bps | 17:32 | |
| mtreinish | ok then let's move on | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | #topic Devstack | 17:32 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: still around? | 17:32 |
| dtroyer | yo | 17:32 |
| sdague | o/ as well | 17:33 |
| sdague | been helping people move to devstack external plugins quite a bit | 17:33 |
| dtroyer | I'm working through the move-things-into venvs process, first cut client venv up for review in https://review.openstack.org/151513 | 17:33 |
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| sdague | opendaylight is over there now | 17:33 |
| sdague | which is nice | 17:33 |
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| sdague | and I think gnochi is using it as well | 17:34 |
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| sdague | also put this out on the list for discussion - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056738.html | 17:34 |
| dtroyer | sdague: should we have a place (wiki??) where we ask people to note their external plugin use so we have a chance to find them should a breaking chance be required? | 17:35 |
| sdague | the beginnings of grenade external interface thoughts | 17:35 |
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| sdague | dtroyer: honestly, I was thinking we should have a known plugins list in the devstack docs, which would also let people advertise their projects in devstack official documentation | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | sdague: sure, maybe we want to have a spec for planning that out | 17:35 |
| sdague | mtreinish: yeh, right now, I wanted just an email thread to poke at it | 17:36 |
| dtroyer | sdague: that works, and lends the air of authenticity folks want by being in the repo directly | 17:36 |
| sdague | I feel like with the devstack external plugins we were close in the spec, but had to make a bunch of code changes to get a thing that was right | 17:36 |
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| sdague | so if we get a good ML discussion that's probabyl good enough to prototype | 17:37 |
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| dtroyer | . env9 admin | 17:38 |
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| dtroyer | which of course is my secret lair security code | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok, I'm just not sure it's gonna get the right attention on the ML | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | but we can give it a shot | 17:40 |
| cdent | sdague: is trying hard to be a good citizen in response to recent concerns, which I applaud | 17:40 |
| cdent | but it is probably true that attention will be insufficient | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | cdent: heh, I was trying to avoid bringing up that thread :) | 17:40 |
| cdent | :) | 17:41 |
| sdague | honestly, I expect this gets more attention on the ML than as a qa-spec | 17:41 |
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| sdague | anyway, I think that's about it on those fronts. | 17:42 |
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| mtreinish | ok, does anyone else have anything else to discuss on devstack (and I guess grenade too) | 17:42 |
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| mtreinish | then let's move on | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 17:43 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tempest-bug-report | 17:43 |
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| mtreinish | doesn't look like are bug growth has changed too much | 17:44 |
| dkranz | So I'm doing triage this week and mtreinish next, but we need more volunteers after that | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: you took the triage rotation this week, anything standout? | 17:44 |
| dkranz | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-bug-triage-rotation | 17:44 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: not really. Most new bugs were immediately addressed | 17:44 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: One new one just came in that I have yet to look at | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | ok, we probably should also concentrate on working through the backlog at some point too | 17:45 |
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| mtreinish | because that's been kinda static in size | 17:45 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: right, I don't think a lot of folks are going through old bugs and trying to fix them | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | maybe we should schedule a day to work to concentrate on that in the near future | 17:46 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: good idea | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | #action mtreinish to plan a day to work through triaged bug backlog | 17:47 |
| mtreinish | okay is there anything else to discuss on bugs? | 17:47 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:47 |
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| mtreinish | okay, does anyone have any reviews they feel could use extra attention? | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | now is the time to bring them up | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | well if no one else has anything I'll paste one | 17:49 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: just the ones I put there. The servers one just needed another rebase. | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/155103 | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | the first step on making the tempest-lib docs useful | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: oh sry, forgot that link | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/clients-return-one-value,n,z | 17:50 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone else have a review? | 17:50 |
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| andreaf | this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153621/ | 17:50 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153621/ | 17:50 |
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| andreaf | is the _interface cleanup, I rebased it a few times already so I'd like to get it through asap | 17:51 |
| andreaf | also it should be merged before the auth migration to lib | 17:51 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: ok, sure should be a simple cleanup | 17:51 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: fwiw, I think tempest-lib's rest client sets the interface to json | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | but we can discuss that after the meeting | 17:52 |
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| mtreinish | if there aren't any other review let's open the floor | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | #topic Open Discussion | 17:52 |
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| mtreinish | Does anyone have a topic to discuss which wasn't on the agenda? | 17:53 |
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| dkranz | I was wondering how we will make sure all tests are correctly tagged once we start to gate on subsets | 17:53 |
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| dkranz | Perhaps we should have a nightly job that stubs out all clients that are "not tagged" for each service | 17:54 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: well I think it comes down to service tagging well | 17:54 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: right, I was thinking about ways to enforce that | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: that might not work because for a lot of tests which use the dir name as part of the filter | 17:54 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: that's ok, we just have to treat that as an implicit tag and make sure it is not calling some other service | 17:55 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: anway, just something to think about | 17:55 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: or if we are we service tag it (which is why that's there) | 17:55 |
| dkranz | right | 17:55 |
| dkranz | but we could be missing some now and we would not know | 17:56 |
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| mtreinish | yeah, the enforcement has always been tricky | 17:57 |
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| mtreinish | ok is there anything else? otherwise let's end here | 17:58 |
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| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 12 17:59:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-02-12-17.01.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-02-12-17.01.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-02-12-17.01.log.html | 17:59 |
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| mikal | Nova meeting? | 20:59 |
| mikal | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 12 21:00:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mikal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| mikal | Who is here for a nova meeting? | 21:00 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:00 |
| anteaya | o/ | 21:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:00 |
| wanyen_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:00 |
| dims__ | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | Yay! | 21:00 |
| mikal | #topic Release status | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| alevine | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | Ok, so we're in feature freeze for non-priority stuff now | 21:00 |
| mikal | We've collected a bunch of FFE requests during this week | 21:00 |
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| mikal | And the plan is nova-specs-core will meet early next week to discuss them | 21:01 |
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| mikal | (as announced in John's email last week) | 21:01 |
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| mikal | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056208.html | 21:01 |
| edleafe | o/ | 21:01 |
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| mikal | I don't have much more on that, its just a "please hold" | 21:01 |
| mikal | Any other comments or questions on the FFE process? | 21:01 |
| wanyen_ | I submitted a ffe request for passing capbility to ironic | 21:01 |
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| mikal | Yep | 21:02 |
| mikal | You'll hear back next week once nova-specs-core has had a chance to meet and discuss | 21:02 |
| wanyen_ | I hope we hope sometime to discuss it today | 21:02 |
| alevine | do questions about new features concern the FFE process? | 21:02 |
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| mikal | One sec | 21:02 |
| mikal | wanyen_: sorry, we weren't planning to work through them at this meeting, as half of specs-core is asleep at the moment | 21:03 |
| mikal | Hence the meeting next week | 21:03 |
| wanyen_ | Is/i hope we hope/ I hope we can | 21:03 |
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| dansmith | mikal: at one point, the discussion sounded like it was to happen in this meeting at this time | 21:03 |
| dansmith | so I think probably some people are surprised to not see it happening | 21:03 |
| mikal | Huh | 21:03 |
| mikal | Ahhh, I see | 21:03 |
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| mikal | I'm working off John's email, which says a separate meeting (to my reading at least) | 21:04 |
| mikal | The deadline for requesting one has also only just closed, so presumably people need time to consider the requests | 21:04 |
| mikal | If we need to discuss specifics of some, we can do that in open discussion | 21:04 |
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| wanyen_ | mikal, discuss at open discussion will be fine | 21:05 |
| mikal | alevine: now on to you | 21:05 |
| mikal | alevine: so yes, the feature freeze blocks all new non-priority features for the rest of kilo | 21:05 |
| mikal | alevine: this is intended to free up time and attention to actually finish the priority work for the release | 21:05 |
| alevine | sdague suggested to bring up a question of extension needed for this standalone EC2 API project here. It's just about some more properties to show | 21:06 |
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| mikal | alevine: yep, that's actually in the next meeting topic on the agenda | 21:06 |
| mikal | So... please hold! | 21:06 |
| alevine | Oh, ok. | 21:06 |
| mikal | So, what we said in the announcement email is we'd discuss exceptions next week, and announce results no later than the nova meeting next week | 21:07 |
| mikal | But let's move on... | 21:07 |
| mikal | #topic Kilo Priorities | 21:07 |
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| mikal | So, looking at the tracking etherpad | 21:07 |
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| mikal | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:07 |
| mikal | Is there anything that needs to be called out as needing more attention from that list of reviews? | 21:07 |
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| dansmith | so, | 21:08 |
| dansmith | there is a review up that proposes to implement all (I think) of the nova-to-neutron proxy by hackishly redefining the Network object to make calls to neutron instead of nova's DB | 21:08 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150490/ | 21:08 |
| dansmith | I'm trying to codify why I hate it, but it's hard to put feelings I have in my stomach into words | 21:09 |
| mikal | Yeah, I saw that one during the week but you seemed to be on it | 21:09 |
| anteaya | dansmith: what would you like to see as a way forward? | 21:09 |
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| dansmith | I feel like simple things will work with that, but more complicated cases will require behavioral changes in the API layer | 21:09 |
| dansmith | anteaya: what I said in my review: do it at the API layer | 21:09 |
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| dansmith | and I mean the nova/network api layer | 21:09 |
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| anteaya | dansmith: is gus' reply incorporated into your solution direction? | 21:10 |
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| dansmith | anyway, I thought maybe some other people could look at it and see if they think that's a super idea and I'm just crazy | 21:11 |
| dansmith | anteaya: yes | 21:11 |
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| anteaya | great, thanks | 21:11 |
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| mikal | Reading gus' comment, I think he thinks Dan means the nova-api layer | 21:11 |
| anteaya | okay would be great to have other's feedback | 21:11 |
| mikal | Not the network-api layer | 21:11 |
| mikal | Or am I mis-reading it? | 21:11 |
| dansmith | mikal: I think he's maybe confusing several things | 21:11 |
| anteaya | if this is the wrong direction, I would like to get folks steered to the mutually agreed upon right direction | 21:11 |
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| anteaya | if we can agree what that is | 21:12 |
| dansmith | mikal: because there are things that nova-api does with network stuff, and things that nova/network/manager does | 21:12 |
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| anteaya | dansmith: if I can get both you and gus in a venue of some sort, do you think you could clear some things up? | 21:12 |
| mikal | So, the specific request here is for other people to take a look at this review and see if they have concerns? | 21:12 |
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| dansmith | mikal: I think that'd be a good idea, but it's also hard to know whether this is a good step forward without a lot of consideration of the cases we'll cover | 21:13 |
| dansmith | mikal: but yes. | 21:13 |
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| anteaya | try # info | 21:13 |
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| mikal | #info Please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150490/ | 21:14 |
| mikal | Ok, I can also chat to Angus and try to get him some help | 21:14 |
| dansmith | doing it at the object layer, | 21:14 |
| dansmith | is akin to doing it at the sqlalchemy layer and trying to just make it look like we're storing things the same way, even though we're not | 21:14 |
| dansmith | which is, AFAIK, the job of nova/network/neutronv2/api.py | 21:15 |
| alaski | I'll have to spend some more time looking, but at first glance I agree with dansmith that this is the wrong api to hide a rpoxy behind | 21:15 |
| alaski | it seems like it will end up being limiting at some point | 21:15 |
| mikal | Ok, so let's have a look at it in the next day or so and then I can have a chat to Angus about it | 21:15 |
| mikal | Given his timezone is very convenient for me | 21:15 |
| anteaya | thanks | 21:16 |
| mikal | Is there anything else on priority work we need to cover? | 21:16 |
| mikal | ... | 21:16 |
| mikal | ... | 21:16 |
| mikal | I take that as a no | 21:16 |
| mikal | So, the other thing is the ec2 work | 21:16 |
| mikal | sdague has asked if we should consider adding fixing ec2 to our list of priorities | 21:17 |
| mikal | I think this is partially a timing question | 21:17 |
| mikal | Its obviously important | 21:17 |
| dansmith | here's what I think we should do: | 21:17 |
| mikal | Do we think those fixes will be ready for kilo? | 21:17 |
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| alevine | They are really easy. | 21:17 |
| dansmith | I think we should make a special case, and merge the spec for L, since L specs are open | 21:17 |
| dansmith | to give them a clear indication that we're ready for them to get going and we bless the direction | 21:17 |
| alevine | Actually just expose some info which is already in novaDB in extended attributes for instances. | 21:17 |
| sdague | mikal: so actually, it's not fixing ec2 persay, it's one API change on the v2.1 tree | 21:17 |
| dansmith | I don't think that adding stuff to our api in K to support this is the best idea | 21:18 |
| mikal | So, I'm a bit confused to be honest | 21:18 |
| mikal | The big problem we have is borken auth with modern botos | 21:18 |
| sdague | mikal: nope, that's fixed | 21:18 |
| alevine | mikal: That's fixed | 21:18 |
| mikal | Are we going to not try and fix that and instead transition people immediately to stackforge? | 21:18 |
| mikal | Oh, huh | 21:19 |
| dansmith | we imported the fix from the stackforge project, right? | 21:19 |
| mikal | So we're on to the transitioning people part of the plan and I just didn't notice? | 21:19 |
| mikal | Nice | 21:19 |
| alevine | mikal: pretty much. We actually created a new one and used it for stackforge as well. | 21:19 |
| sdague | dansmith: I don't remember the origin | 21:19 |
| mikal | So, that reduces the urgency of the API change, yes? | 21:19 |
| alevine | dansmith: That was answer to you. Sorry. | 21:19 |
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| mikal | I think Dan and I are kind of saying the same thing... | 21:19 |
| sdague | mikal: the API changes would mean the ec2 api project can make real progress during Kilo | 21:20 |
| dansmith | mikal: it means we don't have to worry about a completely non-functional ec2 in kilo | 21:20 |
| dims__ | dansmith: no it was not ported | 21:20 |
| mikal | I'm not sure if we're talking about a priority task for kilo or liberty | 21:20 |
| sdague | which means by Vancouver we could maybe have some working replacement code | 21:20 |
| mikal | So, I have no problem with a priority task for liberty, so let's just not talk about that bit any more for now | 21:20 |
| sdague | if we hold until L opens up, that sticks a couple months delay into the ec2 external effort | 21:20 |
| dansmith | sdague: we could do that without merging it into K right? | 21:20 |
| alevine | dansmith: The problem is, until nova exposes some of those APIs. Actually a very few ones, the stackforge project either has to go directly to novaDB or have gaps in its functionality | 21:21 |
| mikal | Are we really talking about this one API change if we do this in Kilo? | 21:21 |
| mikal | Or is there more hidden away as well? | 21:21 |
| sdague | as far as I know it's 1 API change | 21:21 |
| alevine | mikal: Yes | 21:21 |
| sdague | which I think we should do | 21:21 |
| dansmith | sdague: 1 change with a bunch of things in it right? | 21:21 |
| mikal | Is this change proposed for review already? | 21:21 |
| sdague | dansmith: it's ~8 new extended-status attributes | 21:21 |
| dansmith | right, okay | 21:21 |
| dansmith | my point is, | 21:22 |
| alevine | dansmith: High priority are just two - rootDeviceName and deleteOnTermination for volumes. The rest can wait. | 21:22 |
| dansmith | if it's just that and it's not complicated, then there's no reason not to just hold off on that because it's not blocking development | 21:22 |
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| mikal | dansmith: it does delay deployment though right? | 21:22 |
| dansmith | but I understand the desire to flip the argument upside down | 21:22 |
| dansmith | mikal: yes | 21:22 |
| mikal | dansmith: if it means you can't transition until you've deployed liberty | 21:22 |
| dansmith | mikal: but that's not what sdague said :) | 21:22 |
| sdague | yeh, it seems low risk to me | 21:22 |
| dansmith | mikal: it means you can't without the ec2 project reaching in our db | 21:23 |
| mikal | So, yeah, I think I want someone to show me the code | 21:23 |
| sdague | so I'd rather give the ec2 folks more momentum and do this change | 21:23 |
| dansmith | mikal: which it does now | 21:23 |
| mikal | Yeah, I hate the db thing | 21:23 |
| dansmith | surely | 21:23 |
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| mikal | So if this change is a couple of lines, I'm inclined to let it in to be hoenst | 21:23 |
| mikal | Which is why I'd like to see the proposed patch | 21:24 |
| alevine | mikal: Only the spec is ready. There is no code yet, because it was not approved or decided upon. But we can create the patch shortly. | 21:24 |
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| mikal | alevine: I think that might make this conversation more concrete | 21:25 |
| mikal | Especially if the patch is small so the amount of work we're asking you to do is relatively small | 21:25 |
| alevine | mikal: Is it ok to create the patch and get back to the subject next week? | 21:25 |
| mikal | alevine: yes | 21:25 |
| mikal | alevine: I like that plan | 21:25 |
| dansmith | let me say one more thing | 21:25 |
| alevine | mikal: Great. We'll do that. | 21:25 |
| mikal | dansmith: go for it | 21:25 |
| dansmith | I don't like that we had a list of priorities, we drew the line about no non-priority stuff at a date, and we're going to take something new which doesn't even have code up and promote it to a priority and merge it after that line on "a whim" | 21:26 |
| dansmith | I don't like the precedent it sets and I don't think it's that critical | 21:26 |
| mikal | I can see that | 21:26 |
| mikal | But that's not what we're doing | 21:26 |
| dansmith | but, I want to set the tombstone for ec2 as much as the next guy so whatever | 21:26 |
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| dansmith | mikal: it totally is | 21:27 |
| edleafe | We also didn't make removing ec2 a priority, but are now pushing for it | 21:27 |
| dansmith | I mean, aside from the whim part :P | 21:27 |
| mikal | I think if we can see the code and assess its impact and importance, then we can talk about it then | 21:27 |
| mikal | We haven't said we'll merge it in kilo yet, we're still talking | 21:27 |
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| sdague | so what are we going to do about the deprecation patch? | 21:28 |
| mikal | Yeah, there's that too | 21:28 |
| sdague | because that's still vaguely limbo | 21:28 |
| mikal | So ttx didn't love it IIRC | 21:28 |
| dansmith | I'm +2 on the deprecation patch | 21:28 |
| dansmith | ESPECIALLY if we merge this API thing | 21:28 |
| mikal | But it seemed mostly about implementation | 21:28 |
| mikal | ie. just log instead of marking deprecated | 21:28 |
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| sdague | dansmith: yeh, so that's part of my reason to want to merge the API change | 21:29 |
| dansmith | sdague: I know it is | 21:29 |
| sdague | because I think that makes merging the deprecation more reasonable | 21:29 |
| mikal | We did something very similar for the zookeeper thing this week with zero debate | 21:29 |
| edleafe | sdague: agreed | 21:29 |
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| sdague | no one uses zookeeper | 21:29 |
| dansmith | this is how we do these things, IMHO | 21:29 |
| sdague | they actually can't, it's super broken | 21:29 |
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| sdague | and I'd really like Kilo to have ec2 deprecated, as I think that will help shift effort to the external project | 21:30 |
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| dansmith | no argument there | 21:30 |
| mikal | So my point is what do people think of changing the ec2 deprecation to being like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152173/3/nova/servicegroup/drivers/zk.py,cm | 21:30 |
| mikal | ? | 21:31 |
| dansmith | I want the word deprecated | 21:31 |
| dansmith | because I'm an ass | 21:31 |
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| mikal | The objections to the current patch see to me mostly about the specific meaning of that word | 21:31 |
| dansmith | and because I think it's the right word | 21:31 |
| mikal | sorry, seem to be | 21:31 |
| sdague | yeh, so honestly, I also think deprecated is the right word | 21:31 |
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| sdague | deprecated means "don't use this thing, we're not going to support it in the future" | 21:32 |
| dansmith | right | 21:32 |
| dansmith | not "it's not tested, but if it works for you, have at it!" | 21:32 |
| sdague | which I do think is the state of the world | 21:32 |
| mikal | So I am having trouble arguing against you because I agree... | 21:32 |
| mikal | The counter argument was "but the replacement isn't ready" | 21:32 |
| mikal | And might (theoretically) never be | 21:32 |
| dansmith | it doesn't matter | 21:32 |
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| dansmith | the state of the world is that even if there is no replacement, our ec2 stuff continues to degrade and go unmaintained | 21:33 |
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| mikal | So, the review does have five +2s... | 21:33 |
| dims__ | dansmith: what about the long argument that it's not architecturally correct to have ec2 api proxy to openstack api | 21:33 |
| sdague | I also think that's because very few of the core team is knee deep in ec2 any more | 21:34 |
| dansmith | dims__: I think that argument is already false | 21:34 |
| sdague | which is why past patches weren't getting reviewed | 21:34 |
| sdague | reading ec2/cloud.py is interesting | 21:34 |
| sdague | almost all the history comes from pre-git days | 21:34 |
| dansmith | dims__: the ec2 layer does some really unnatural things to keep working, even though our internal APIs are oriented to be most convenient for our own api layer | 21:34 |
| dims__ | dansmith: i agree with you, is there consensus? | 21:34 |
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| sdague | by people that aren't working on openstack anymore | 21:34 |
| swamireddy | dansmith: For the reason of unmaintaned - the sub team of EC2 API formed... | 21:34 |
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| dansmith | swamireddy: it has been formed eight times since I joined the project :) | 21:35 |
| dansmith | complete with summit sessions and everything :) | 21:35 |
| swamireddy | dansmith: ok...can we try last chance...as we agreed last meeting... | 21:35 |
| mikal | Ok, so | 21:35 |
| dansmith | we didn't agree to that :) | 21:35 |
| mikal | Let me take this to ttx and ask his advice | 21:35 |
| edleafe | sdague: I wrote the first ec2 id to openstack uuid converter. I wanted it to diaff back then | 21:35 |
| mikal | Noting that I think we should mark it deprecated as well | 21:36 |
| sdague | edleafe: :) | 21:36 |
| dansmith | edleafe: nice :) | 21:36 |
| sdague | mikal: sure | 21:36 |
| mikal | We do need to move on now though | 21:36 |
| dansmith | edleafe: that's what I mean about unnatural stuff, by the way, and it's gotten worse I'm sure | 21:36 |
| sdague | yep, hopefully we'll have an api patch early next week | 21:36 |
| mikal | #action: mikal to talk to ttx about deprecation of nova's internal ec2 implemetnation | 21:36 |
| edleafe | dansmith: yep | 21:36 |
| sdague | so we can see how risky that would be | 21:36 |
| mikal | #topic python-novaclient release | 21:37 |
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| swamireddy | dansmith: Now, there is good no of people in the team to support ....I see we should try it as last chance and decide @ summit | 21:37 |
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| mikal | I think the release is unblocked now, yes? | 21:37 |
| dansmith | mikal: you're the only one that can do those releases right? | 21:37 |
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| mikal | jogo has pinned requirements for stable branches, which I think was the only thing blocking this | 21:37 |
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| dansmith | mikal: I was talking to john and though ti might be good to have at least another tz with those privs | 21:37 |
| mikal | dansmith: I think other people can, but traditionally its been a ptl task | 21:37 |
| mikal | I'm not sure what privs it needs | 21:38 |
| mikal | Certainly LP permissions | 21:38 |
| mikal | But I think drivers already have all they need? | 21:38 |
| dansmith | mikal: well, might be something to think about | 21:38 |
| mikal | I documented the release process on the wiki last time I did it | 21:38 |
| dansmith | drivers definitely don't have privs to do that | 21:38 |
| dansmith | someone checked | 21:38 |
| dansmith | but if that's the intent, that's cool | 21:38 |
| mikal | Oh, interesting | 21:38 |
| mikal | Yeah, I have no problem with other people doing them | 21:38 |
| mikal | Let me do this one because its faster | 21:38 |
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| mikal | I'll check the docs as I go | 21:39 |
| dansmith | sure | 21:39 |
| mikal | And then we can open it up to drivers (or some other subset) | 21:39 |
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| mikal | So, no one sees a reason to not do a release todayish? | 21:39 |
| anteaya | the nova-release group can do a client release | 21:39 |
| anteaya | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/gerrit/acls/openstack/python-novaclient.config | 21:39 |
| anteaya | currently | 21:39 |
| mikal | Ahhh, a group on one | 21:40 |
| mikal | Thanks for the pointer anteaya | 21:40 |
| anteaya | sure | 21:40 |
| mikal | #action mikal to do a python-novaclient release | 21:40 |
| mikal | #action mikal to make sure release docs are right | 21:40 |
| mikal | #action mikal to give a couple more people release perms | 21:40 |
| mikal | I think I got all of the plan there | 21:40 |
| sdague | so... is the icehouse pin in place ? | 21:40 |
| sdague | jogo: ? | 21:40 |
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| mikal | My reading of the thread was we were good to go | 21:41 |
| mikal | But I haven't checked git | 21:41 |
| melwitt | sdague: I'm checking | 21:41 |
| sdague | yeh, icehouse is pinned | 21:41 |
| anteaya | if you want different people to do a novaclient-release then the nova-release change the client acl file to create a new gerrit group | 21:41 |
| sdague | python-novaclient>=2.17.0,<2.21 | 21:41 |
| sdague | so as long as it's 2.21 we're good | 21:42 |
| melwitt | pinned on both icehouse and juno. though the pins are slightly different :P juno is <=2.20 | 21:42 |
| sdague | yeh, juno is autogenerated | 21:42 |
| sdague | icehouse is someone doing a thing manually | 21:42 |
| melwitt | oh, that explains that | 21:42 |
| mikal | So, sounds like we're good to go | 21:42 |
| mikal | Let's move on again | 21:43 |
| mikal | #topic Gate status | 21:43 |
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| mikal | mriedem: tell me of your things | 21:43 |
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| mikal | ...or anyone else | 21:44 |
| mikal | Or is it all puppies and kittens this week? | 21:44 |
| sdague | the big meltdowns were on requirements issues | 21:44 |
| dansmith | I don't think there is anything nova-specific | 21:44 |
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| mikal | Yeah, I'm not aware of anything, but I like to check anyway | 21:44 |
| dansmith | I was really tempted to try to break the new dependency stuff, but I didn't | 21:44 |
| mikal | Gonna move on again | 21:44 |
| melwitt | there was the wedged stable gate thing I thought | 21:44 |
| sdague | I was chasing a unit test race because libvirt driver spawn treads | 21:44 |
| dansmith | also threads | 21:44 |
| mikal | sdague: yeah, the thread on that one seems mostly to have a plan? | 21:44 |
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| sdague | also threads | 21:44 |
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| sdague | mikal: mostly, it pokes up more often than I expected | 21:45 |
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| dansmith | sdague is applying fire | 21:45 |
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| mikal | People seem to know what's happening here though | 21:45 |
| mikal | So let's move on | 21:45 |
| mikal | #topic Bugs | 21:45 |
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| mikal | I have to say I'm pretty happy with the trivial patch monkey thing | 21:46 |
| dansmith | extremely | 21:46 |
| mikal | 48 bug fixes merged so far | 21:46 |
| dims__ | yay! | 21:46 |
| mikal | Sure they're all trivial, but its good that we're landing the fixes | 21:46 |
| dansmith | I think I feel a trend of the quality slipping a little | 21:46 |
| dansmith | which I think is because we're through the super trivial ones | 21:46 |
| dansmith | which is mostly good news | 21:46 |
| mikal | Oh, interesting | 21:46 |
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| mikal | As in it might work well for clearing backlogs, but less for ongoing work? | 21:47 |
| dims__ | i took at stab at cleaning up after our abandon script this morning (bugs were left in "In Ptogress"), about 100 bugs | 21:47 |
| sdague | the new trivial ones are definitely not so trivial some times | 21:47 |
| dansmith | mikal: we'll see | 21:47 |
| dansmith | mikal: we need to stay vigilant on the self-policing of things | 21:47 |
| mikal | Let's wait and see how we feel about how the process is working at the summit | 21:47 |
| dims__ | sdague: y it's getting harder to find easy ones | 21:47 |
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| mikal | We don't _have_ to always have 20 there | 21:47 |
| mikal | If there are sometimes only 5, so be it | 21:47 |
| sdague | I think it's a good process though | 21:47 |
| dansmith | mikal: tell that to dims__ ! :) | 21:47 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:48 |
| sdague | because it's also educational about "why this isn't trivial" | 21:48 |
| dims__ | mikal: it varies between 5-15 | 21:48 |
| dansmith | sdague: yep | 21:48 |
| sdague | which I'm hoping folks are finding useful feedback | 21:48 |
| dims__ | sdague: yep | 21:48 |
| mikal | So, golf clap for the trivial patch monkeys | 21:48 |
| dansmith | dims__ called me at 2am last night to let me know he had added five new bugs to the list | 21:48 |
| dims__ | LOL | 21:48 |
| sdague | heh | 21:48 |
| mikal | dansmith: really? | 21:48 |
| dansmith | mikal: yes | 21:48 |
| mikal | dansmith: I didn't know that was an option... | 21:48 |
| dansmith | mikal: REALLY | 21:48 |
| dims__ | NO | 21:48 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:48 |
| mikal | dansmith: I SHALL DO THIS THIGN TOO NOW | 21:48 |
| melwitt | lol | 21:48 |
| dims__ | :) | 21:48 |
| mikal | I wanna move on again because we're running out of time | 21:49 |
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| mikal | #topic Stuck reviews | 21:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:49 | |
| mikal | So, I think the deprecation thing above could have been classified as one of these | 21:49 |
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| mikal | Are there any other reviews wedged on reviewers agreeing on a plan? | 21:49 |
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| mikal | ...going | 21:50 |
| dansmith | sounds like not | 21:50 |
| mikal | ...going | 21:50 |
| mikal | ...gone | 21:50 |
| mikal | This is a good thing | 21:50 |
| mikal | #topic Open Discussion | 21:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:50 | |
| mikal | dansmith: is oslo.versionedobjects you? | 21:50 |
| wanyen_ | can I discuss my ffe now? | 21:50 |
| dansmith | mikal: yeah, so oslo.versionedobjects is a thing now | 21:51 |
| dansmith | we've been rapidly iterating on it to get it ready, but mostly for other projects | 21:51 |
| mikal | dansmith: can we wait for liberty to move? | 21:51 |
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| dansmith | I *think* it's probably too risky to do in kilo | 21:51 |
| dhellmann | dansmith: ++ | 21:51 |
| mikal | dansmith: and a distraction from priority work, right? | 21:51 |
| dansmith | but there will be some synchronization patches to keep things in nova in line with oslo, and vice versa | 21:51 |
| dims__ | +1 to kilo | 21:51 |
| wanyen_ | I would like to discuss FFE request for passing capabilities requested in flavors to Ironic instance_info http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg45394.html. Several Ironic Kilo features including secure boot, trusted boot, and local boot support with partition image have dependency on this function. | 21:51 |
| mikal | dims__: you mean liberty? | 21:51 |
| sdague | yeh, I think the oslo move is liberty | 21:52 |
| dansmith | mikal: well, objects == priority, but yes, more churn than I think we need | 21:52 |
| mikal | dansmith: yeah, but this stuff is a tangent from waht we thought we were doing with objects in kilo | 21:52 |
| dansmith | so I wanted to make sure we agree on that, but also just highlight that (a) we'll want to do that when lemming opens and then (b) that there will be syncs to keep it from diverging too much | 21:52 |
| mikal | I think its fine if we have to do a few sync patches in kilo | 21:52 |
| mikal | But let's talk about moving over to it with the liberty ptl | 21:53 |
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| wanyen_ | It only affects nova ironic virt driver and the changes are very small. The spec has been merged https://review.openstack.org/136104 and the code https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141012/ has been reviewed by ironic reviewers. | 21:53 |
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| wanyen_ | We have discussed this FFE request at this week’s ironic irc meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-02-09-17.00.txt . Devananda and Ironic folks at the meeting are in support of it. It will be much appreciated if we can get nova approval for this FFE request. | 21:53 |
| mikal | Ok, ironic ffe now | 21:53 |
| wanyen_ | mikal, sorry I jumped ahead | 21:53 |
| mikal | wanyen_: we've said that the review process happens next week | 21:53 |
| mikal | wanyen_: so while I agree that all the things you've said are true | 21:53 |
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| mikal | wanyen_: I think its premature for me to announce an edict without talking it through with the team | 21:54 |
| wanyen_ | mikal, yes. I understand. Sine I am here I just want to give some info about this ffe. | 21:54 |
| mikal | wanyen_: and we did say at the beginnign that we were going to try and approve zero ffes to free up focus for priority work | 21:54 |
| mikal | wanyen_: ok cool | 21:54 |
| dansmith | just a preview of monday: I'm going to -1 all ffes! | 21:54 |
| mikal | wanyen_: but yeah, let me chat to specs-core and then we can talk this through next week | 21:54 |
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| mikal | Anything else for open discussion? | 21:55 |
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| mikal | Or early mark? | 21:55 |
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| jogo | sdague mikalL was AFK, releasing new novaclient should be safe | 21:55 |
| wanyen_ | mikal, thanks! when will be the ffe review meeting, perhaps I canask Deva to attend? | 21:55 |
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| mikal | jogo: thanks | 21:56 |
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| mikal | wanyen_: well, I don't think that's nessesary | 21:56 |
| mikal | wanyen_: we understand the arguments | 21:56 |
| dansmith | agreed | 21:56 |
| wanyen_ | mikal, ty | 21:56 |
| mikal | wanyen_: we just need to work out how much distraction we can handle while still landing the priority stuff | 21:56 |
| mikal | Because we really have to land the priority stuff, by definition | 21:57 |
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| mikal | That's time up | 21:57 |
| * jogo is surprised at the number of FFEs | 21:57 | |
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| mikal | So no early mark | 21:57 |
| mikal | jogo: well, ffe requests | 21:57 |
| wanyen_ | mikal, I understand but still hoping you can consider approvingthis ffe | 21:57 |
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| mikal | jogo: there are no granted ffes so far | 21:58 |
| mikal | wanyen_: we will certainly consider it | 21:58 |
| mikal | And that's time | 21:58 |
| mikal | Thanks everyone | 21:58 |
| mikal | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
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| jogo | mikal: err what you said | 21:58 |
| wanyen_ | mikal, ty so much | 21:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 12 21:58:24 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-02-12-21.00.html | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-02-12-21.00.txt | 21:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-02-12-21.00.log.html | 21:58 |
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