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| khayam | does any meeting lined up | 13:21 |
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| khayam | ? | 13:21 |
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| khayam | any meeting lined up? | 13:23 |
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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 14 13:59:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 13:59 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 13:59 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 13:59 |
| sgordon | who is here for the openstack telco working group meeting | 14:00 |
| * sgordon waves to smazziotta | 14:00 | |
| smazziotta | Hi | 14:00 |
| gmatefi1 | hi | 14:00 |
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| sgordon | will give people a minute or two to drift in | 14:00 |
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| * sgordon notes aveiga, amitry, mkoderer, smazziotta, gmatefi1 | 14:01 | |
| smazziotta | it looks like some people are in meeting-alt | 14:01 |
| sgordon | anyone else for the telco meeting | 14:01 |
| aveiga | hello | 14:01 |
| mkoderer | sgordon: mhhh is it the wrong meeting room | 14:01 |
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| sgordon | mkoderer, i think you would actually be right | 14:02 |
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| vks | hi | 14:02 |
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| sgordon | let's try that again | 14:03 |
| sgordon | moving over to #openstack-meeting | 14:03 |
| sgordon | *openstack-meeting-alt | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 14 14:03:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-01-14-13.59.html | 14:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-01-14-13.59.txt | 14:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-01-14-13.59.log.html | 14:03 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 14 16:00:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| thingee | hello everyone | 16:00 |
| asselin | o/ | 16:00 |
| rushiagr | o/ | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
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| Swanson | hello | 16:00 |
| rushil | \0 | 16:00 |
| dulek | o/ | 16:00 |
| flip214 | o~~~ | 16:00 |
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| rhe00_ | hi | 16:00 |
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| thingee | agenda for today: | 16:00 |
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| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:00 |
| avishay | hi | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| thingee | lets get started! | 16:01 |
| eharney | hi | 16:01 |
| thingee | #topic Kilo Third Party CI Deadline Confusion | 16:01 |
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| DuncanT | Hey | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
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| thingee | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054101.html | 16:01 |
| akerr | o/ | 16:01 |
| vbala | Hi | 16:01 |
| scottda | hi | 16:01 |
| thingee | so this thread started by erlon, is presenting some confusion with deadlines we talked about | 16:01 |
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| thingee | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-11-19-16.00.html | 16:01 |
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| thingee | back in november 19th according to the summary, we would set the k-2 for old drivers and k-3 for new | 16:02 |
| thangp | o/ | 16:02 |
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| DuncanT | So immediately after that meeting there was a big discussion in the channel | 16:02 |
| thingee | I wanted communication for both openstack-dev mailing list and individual maintainers | 16:02 |
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| DuncanT | About whether CI was ready/easy enough/reliable enough for us to set a requirement for | 16:02 |
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| DuncanT | Which didn't come to a conclusion | 16:03 |
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| thingee | ok, regardless, we set a deadline. DuncanT you initially updated this in the wiki https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/tested-3rdParty-drivers#Deadlines | 16:04 |
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| thingee | so now we have confusion coming from maintainers that have had drivers before K dev | 16:04 |
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| thingee | DuncanT: did you email maintainers as given in action item from the nov 19th? | 16:05 |
| DuncanT | No, because the discussion after was that that deadline was unreasonable and we should include better instructions first | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | I don't know why there is confusion. We came out of the working session on Friday at the Summit with the direction in the Wiki set in place. | 16:07 |
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| thingee | jungleboyj: not all maintainers were there. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Fair enough. | 16:08 |
| thingee | if we email maintainers with the given address were suppose to reach a vendor at and exhausted the mailing list as erlon pointed out, there would be really no excuse | 16:08 |
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| thingee | there is no mention of the deadline on the mailing list | 16:08 |
| thingee | the wiki still stated the deadline regardless of this convo that took place in #openstack-cinder. My point is communication on this was horrible | 16:08 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: So, we missed communication to the mailing list. Sounds like we can't fix that. What is the remediation plan then? | 16:08 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: Can we take it to the mailing list now, note the mistake in communication and make the deadline K-3 ? | 16:10 |
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| thingee | so here's my proposal. is 17 weeks enough time for maintainers with drivers before K to get a CI up | 16:10 |
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| thingee | ? | 16:10 |
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| thingee | not proposal, question | 16:10 |
| thingee | if so, my proposal would be new and old maintainers have until k-3 | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: I hope so. I have gotten my teams to get systems set up between the Summit and Christmas. | 16:10 |
| DuncanT | I'd say so, yes, but then I keep being told I'm wrong about that | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | I think so. Especially since we were pushin in Juno that they had to have them. | 16:11 |
| * eikke has been working on setting up CI the last couple of days. It's non-trivial, at least | 16:11 | |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: +1 | 16:11 |
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| flip214 | thingee: to be honest, I spent most of the last 2 days trying to get my devstack instances updated. | 16:11 |
| AlkaD | +1 | 16:11 |
| deepakcs | eikke, +1, we have been working on the new devstack plugin model and its been non-trivial as well | 16:11 |
| flip214 | things like oslo.concurrency and some other problem can waste a lot of time. | 16:11 |
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| deepakcs | creating a new stackforge project, understanding how to get it done, creating new job are very time consuming (atleast for the 1st time folks) | 16:12 |
| flip214 | having CI would be "easy" (as in "requires only a bit of glue") if devstack would reliably work... | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | flip214: that's a BS statement | 16:12 |
| thingee | ok so when in k-3 is the cut off? When do we deprecate the driver if there is no CI? | 16:12 |
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| eikke | flip214: not if you take the requirement a single CI system can only put 1 comment per changeset into account, and you have multiple drivers | 16:12 |
| flip214 | but I had to do "rm -rf /opt/stack && ./stack.sh" after trying (and failing) for quite a few hours | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | thingee: that's a good question | 16:13 |
| flip214 | jgriffith: sorry if you think so. I've wasted quite a lot of time with it, and not for the first time either. | 16:13 |
| asselin | for those having issues, there are 3rd party mentoring meetings to help out, in addition to asking directly in the irc channels | 16:13 |
| asselin | and mailing list | 16:13 |
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| patrickeast | asselin +1 | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | asselin: Thank you for all you and the 3rd party team have been doing to help! | 16:13 |
| patrickeast | they are very helpful | 16:14 |
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| patrickeast | and have like 3 meetings a week now | 16:14 |
| asselin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | asselin: +1, and also no offense to anybody, but there's a real lack of investment IMHO regarding people actually digging into OpenStack as a whole | 16:14 |
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| flip214 | even the documentation is outdated. the wiki still says that 2GB are enough; my VM reliably went OOM (as in killing eg. mysql) until I gave it 5GB. (see http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/guides/single-vm.html#prerequisites-cloud-image) | 16:14 |
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| asselin | last night in 3rd party meeting, there's discussions to get docs updated. | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | flip214: Have you updated the wiki? | 16:15 |
| thingee | Ok so if I don't see a CI reporting by k-3 that's 03-19, as far as I'm concerned, your driver might not work in Cinder. I honestly don't know if it's worth deprecating | 16:15 |
| asselin | perhaps a mini sprint scheduled for next week, if ppl are avaiable. | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | thingee: +1 | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Or they get put on the naughty list. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: +1 | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: I think sadly it may not be. BUT I would argue that you better be able to at least do the old cert script | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: +1 | 16:16 |
| rhe00_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/tested-3rdParty-drivers#Deadlines states end of K-3 for new drivers. I have set my schedule after that so I would really like that to stay that way | 16:16 |
| asselin | thingee, e-mails should be sent out still | 16:16 |
| flip214 | DuncanT: no, at least not yet, because I don't even _know_ what is right or wrong there! | 16:16 |
| thingee | jgriffith: ok | 16:16 |
| akerr | thingee: question about FC drivers... | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | thingee: honestly... if you can't deploy devstack with your driver and run tests you have no business saying "hey my company xyz offers Cinder drivers and we're awwesome" | 16:16 |
| thingee | akerr: shoot | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | I do have to say, getting CI set up was a huge struggle. Things definitely need to improve. But I definitely learned a lot going through the process. | 16:16 |
| thingee | jgriffith: +1 | 16:16 |
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| akerr | thingee: FC has a lot of extra gotchas that normal IP based drivers don't that make it harder to get running CI, are they also included in this deadline>? | 16:17 |
| thingee | wow my irc private messages are blowing up | 16:17 |
| thingee | ;) | 16:17 |
| flip214 | my conclusion: ci is *good*; but march 19th is awfully close. YMMV. | 16:17 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: that's why CI is needed | 16:17 |
| * jungleboyj hears opportunity for a new song. | 16:17 | |
| thingee | I think HP guys, especially asselin can help with that | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | flip214: You have a new driver, right? | 16:17 |
| thingee | akerr: ^ | 16:17 |
| flip214 | smcginnis: right | 16:17 |
| eikke | jgriffith: it's not setting up devstack that was hard on our side, rather integration with gerrit and such (I used the gerrit-trigger plugin of jenkins, but now it turns out that should be changed most likely because of the 1-comment rule, so zuul and job-builder and whatnot are thrown in) | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | So the statement was any existing drivers. Is that correct? | 16:17 |
| thingee | akerr: they had the same problems from what I understand | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | New drivers have a little more time. | 16:18 |
| Swanson | 3-19 for new, I thought. | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | eikke: understood, you won't hear arguments against that from me | 16:18 |
| asselin | eikke, let's talk afterwards. there's likely some solutions ppl have already found. | 16:18 |
| thingee | smcginnis: to make it simple, all drivers must have a ci by k-3 | 16:18 |
| thingee | smcginnis: new or old | 16:18 |
| eikke | asselin: would like that :) | 16:18 |
| thingee | that's march 19th | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | OK, got it. | 16:18 |
| thingee | so here's my proposal, as clear as I can make it to get a consensus here... | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: If you don't have it on 3/19 we submit patches to remove the driver? | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: No potential for fall back to running the Cert script? | 16:20 |
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| thingee | All Cinder *volume* drivers must have a CI by March 19th, end of k-3. If not, your driver is removed, doesn't work with the CInder in K. We will mention the removal in release notes for Cinder users. For people who are having issues with this deadline, you better be in good communcation with me. | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | I think we have to say 'no fallback' or we'll be having this discussion again in the Z release | 16:20 |
| thingee | does anyone oppose to that proposal ^^^ | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | +1 from me | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | +1 with some leniency for FC drivers. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +1, just clarifying. | 16:21 |
| e0ne | +1 | 16:21 |
| thingee | I will email all maintainers, and email the openstack dev mailing list about this as well | 16:21 |
| patrickeast | so, just to make sure there isn't a grey area (and hopefully not to confuse the issue more), when we say "have a ci" this means a ci that runs and passes on every single check in? passes on 95%+ of them? I've noticed from personal experience that the ci's are not a set up once and forget kind of deal... did anyone have some kind of uptime requirement in mind? | 16:21 |
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| avishay | I want drivers that work, +1 | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: +1 ... Want to talk about FC. | 16:21 |
| thingee | patrickeast: just the tempest api.volume tests | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | thingee, patrickeast: I think | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | thingee: umm... one correction; 'tempest volume' tests | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | "most of the time" | 16:22 |
| patrickeast | thingee: right, but i guess my question is how reliably? | 16:22 |
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| thingee | patrickeast: well if you're not reliable, you will be removed. just like today | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Somewhat subjective, but we do miss some occasionally for various reason. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | patrickeast: Reliably enough that Infra doesn't disable your account. | 16:23 |
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| thingee | your ci is false to patches. | 16:23 |
| rhe00_ | how many concurrent check ins do the CI system have to handle? | 16:23 |
| patrickeast | ie do i need to go tell my manager we need 24/7 shift from dev opts for it? | 16:23 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:23 |
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| thingee | FC folks, be in good communcation with me. | 16:23 |
| thingee | about progress | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | patrickeast: I don't think we have that expectation. | 16:23 |
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| akerr | thingee: will do | 16:23 |
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| thingee | ok, are we ok to move on? | 16:24 |
| winston-d | jungleboyj: what is the criteria for Infra to disable a 3rd party CI account? Just curious. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Will do. Need to check in with our FC people to see how things are going. | 16:24 |
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| patrickeast | jungleboyj: ok, i guess maybe we can discuss more offline, my understanding is that the ci accounts are disabled when *we* decide to turn them off | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | winston-d: 5 or more disagreements with Jenkins in a row, without them being real issues | 16:24 |
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| asselin | patrickeast, ++ it's a cinder team job now | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | winston-d: Is the 'guideance' criteria | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: That sounds right. | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | Bad votes, behaving like the CloudByte CI, etc. :) | 16:25 |
| thingee | #topic Fixing allocated_capacity in Cinder | 16:25 |
| winston-d | DuncanT: can we disable CloudByte for now? | 16:25 |
| thingee | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1408763/comments/1 | 16:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1408763 in cinder "allocated_capacity tracking is broken in manager" [Medium,Triaged] | 16:25 |
| thingee | #https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1408763 | 16:25 |
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| * DuncanT put in a disable request for cloudbyte a few hours ago ;-) | 16:25 | |
| thingee | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1408763 | 16:25 |
| thingee | full thread ^ | 16:25 |
| thingee | jgriffith: here? | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | Ok... so I'm going to try and summarize | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | currently.... the manager code sets a allocated_capacity_gb | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | this is incremented on each volume create, and decremented on each volume delete | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | this number is used as our simple scheduler replacement | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | and is intended to represent the CINDER allocated GB on a host | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | Now.... | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | the problem is taskflow | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | in the case of a failure, taskflow will retry | 16:27 |
| avishay | jgriffith: the problem is poor error handling / rollback , not taskflow :) | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | the way it works however is the retry is done in the tflow lib itself, and calls the scheduler-->manager multiple times | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | avishay: no, it's not that simple | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | avishay: nice try | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | let me finish please | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | Isn't quota reservation/commit going to have the exact same problem? | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: yes | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | so there are two problems here: | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | 1. If the task fails in the driver we raise and the allocation is never incremented | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | This is bad because the delete works and decrements still | 16:29 |
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| jgriffith | so the count is completely inaccurate | 16:29 |
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| jgriffith | (think error on create, we have it in DB but it's in error state) | 16:29 |
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| jgriffith | so.. put a finally block in the run_flow | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | Nope... that doesn't work | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | because you call it multiple times | 16:30 |
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| jgriffith | so... add a taskcompletion class in TFLOW | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | Not so easy, even though everybody says "Taskflow is easy" it's not trivial to make such changes | 16:30 |
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| jgriffith | they're very far reaching and complex | 16:30 |
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| avishay | who said taskflow is easy? | 16:30 |
| thingee | avishay: oh no | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | someobdy in this room | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | enough said LOL | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | ok.... | 16:31 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: :) | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | anyway, bottom line there's all sorts of caveats, traps and gotchas | 16:31 |
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| flip214 | to me that sounds as if the per-host value needs to be fetched from the database, where all the current volume states are known | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | in the bug I proposed driver reporting which I still think is something we want, but maybe not for this bug | 16:31 |
| avishay | jgriffith: why not do a DB query to get the number instead of trying to keep track of it? | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: pointed out the intent being truly just Cinder allocated space | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | which makes sense | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | the patch I worked up is well.... | 16:32 |
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| avishay | I don't think the driver/storage should be keeping track of Cinder things | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | after each create or delete... I get all volumes for the host out of the db | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: +1 | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | iterate through and tally up size for host and pool | 16:32 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: did you see my comments in the bug? I added provisioned_capacity as part of the over subscription patch | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: jungleboyj if you would let me finish, I said that in the next line :) | 16:33 |
| avishay | jgriffith: go ahead, sorry | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: yes, and I think that's needed/good but not for this problem | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | so what I'd like to prpose: | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +1 :-) | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | * I change that name from allocated_capacity_gb, to something more indictive: "apparant_host_allocation" or something | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | and implement the db hack that I described | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | I'm concerned about push back from folks on doing that iteration | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | I don't think there's a big performance problem but I could be wrong | 16:34 |
| avishay | Can I offer an alternative? | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | It seems like there are two problems. | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | avishay: absolutely | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | If the volume is actually created on the array but the database isn't incremented then space is consumed but not reported. | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | If the volume isn't actually created then it's reported that space is consumed even though it's not. | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Seems like the array (and therefore the driver) would be the source of truth. | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis: Yep, and we don't care in this case | 16:35 |
| avishay | If the scheduler is the only one who needs this value, it can access the DB when it needs to. We can write a query that counts with SQL. | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | avishay: well, it's the manager that actually uses it | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | but maybe | 16:36 |
| xyang1 | provisioned_capacity is from the array. it what is actually created on the array | 16:36 |
| winston-d | avishay: that was how Simple Scheduler did it. | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | avishay: pools throws a new wrench in the works here though as well | 16:36 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: why does the manager need it? | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | If the array is shared cinder and none-cinder, how is it supposed to know what to report? | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | avishay: well, maybe it doesn't, currently that's where scheduler gets it from | 16:36 |
| avishay | ideally things that we retry would be idempotent and we would properly roll back on failures, so we would never get in this mess, but that's bigger than this | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | avishay: well, that's what's funny | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | avishay: we're in the mess due to a lack of understanding of how taskflow responds to failures I think | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: so there's no try/except in the mangaer code | 16:38 |
| xyang1 | DuncanT: ya, array only knows the total, cinder and non-cinder. to get cinder only, it has to be from cinder db | 16:38 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: honestly I haven't read the discussions closely between you and harlowja_away, but he was not able to resolve them? | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | so at first glance you think... "yeah, do this fall through this call this call etc" | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | thingee: he had some ideas but they involved some changes to the library itself (taskflow library) | 16:38 |
| thingee | jgriffith: you mentioned this taskcompletion class, that was just not intutitive from the docs he has on it? I assume he has docs anyways, because he writes a lot of them :) | 16:39 |
| thingee | jgriffith: did he offer to them in the library? | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | thingee: he has great docs | 16:39 |
| thingee | himself | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | I think the point is being missed regardless | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | We should not have something that ONLY harlow can support, maintain and understand | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | that's BAD | 16:39 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: all I'm trying to understand is the author of a library we depend heavily on for volume creates is trying to work with us. If you remember from the K summit, it was endangered of removal. | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | we also IMO shouldn't have such a hard time trying to make such a simple change | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | thingee: he is ABSOLUTELY working with me | 16:40 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I agree with that statement about harlowja_away being the only one to understand it | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | thingee: harlowja_away is GREAT!!! Make that clear, very responsive and helpful | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: my concern is what happens when he quits and goes on tour with Just Beber! | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | Justin | 16:41 |
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| avishay | lol | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:41 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: I guess I would argue the same thing about a lot of libraries. Have you ever worked in the eventlet or paramiko? we depend on contributors in those projects... | 16:41 |
| avishay | on the other hand, there is no alternative | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | oye vey. | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | I've spent a good deal of time trying to come up to speed on Tflow and honestly I don't feel very competent outside of adding to the existing manger | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | avishay: not true, but I'm not going there in this meeting :) | 16:42 |
| avishay | jgriffith: fair enough | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | all I wanted in this meeting was feedback on using the db hack | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | or... | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | as was pointed out maybe moving it somewhere else (back to scheduler)? | 16:43 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I think we're fine with it. I'm just worried about us avoid the layers that use taskflow, because it's taskflow/ | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | or do we need it at all... do we rip the band-aid off and go back to driver reporting | 16:43 |
| flip214 | people, two more points on the agenda, only 15mins left. | 16:43 |
| thingee | jgriffith: and I just haven't spent time with it to really understand the problem you're having. | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | thingee: to be fair, that's not what I'm doing here | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: I'm not avoiding it just because it's taskflow or difficult | 16:43 |
| avishay | jgriffith: i would really not like the drivers to report this. i think an SQL query with count should do the trick. | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: I spent quite a bit of time trying various things with taskflow, but there are some gotchas | 16:44 |
| thingee | jgriffith: if harlowja_away gave you a solution, this taskcompletion class, and you decide to go do this in the drivers themselves, that sounds like avoiding taskflow. | 16:44 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Sounds like people are ok with the SQL query. | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | thingee: particularly when you try and work with member variables | 16:44 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: ok, I feel I'm not explaining things correctly | 16:44 |
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| flip214 | IMO the SQL is much easier in the short term; the "right" solution would be reporting by the drivers. | 16:44 |
| thingee | jgriffith: and I apologize for my lack of understanding too. I'm going off little bits of your long discussion with him. | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: thingee is this a good topic for the meet-up? | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: my question wrt driver reporting however... is we want this to be just Cinder info no? | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | thingee: no worries | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | If you code the SQL version, I will benchmark it with my million fake volumes setup if you want, that should answer the scalability / performance concerns | 16:45 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: probably. also because some of the work I was expect in K to do volume deletes with task flow, doesn't seem likely to happen. Unless eharney can give an update | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: good idea | 16:46 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: The other approach is to say 'This isn't a sensible thing to schedule on, you can't do that any more' | 16:46 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: yes, what we want is just cinder info | 16:46 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: yeah regardless I think we need to get this fixed. I wanted to discuss other things with you this week, so maybe we can talk again about this | 16:46 |
| eharney | thingee: it's still on my radar but no progress so far | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d: yeah, I noticed *why* after your comment in the bug :) | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | ok... I'll look at a couple proposals and get them up | 16:47 |
| winston-d | but real question is, anyone actually uses AllocatedCapcityWeigher (aka Simple Scheduler)? | 16:47 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d: hmmmm | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +1 then we can discuss it f-2-f at the meetup. | 16:47 |
| thingee | jgriffith: thanks for all your time on this issue and explaining it to us. | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: +1 | 16:48 |
| thingee | #topic Kilo feature freeze | 16:48 |
| thingee | I don't think bot is working anymore =/ | 16:48 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: There was a bit net split yesterday. Wonder if that broke it. | 16:49 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: yeah maintenance work on freenode | 16:49 |
| thingee | they had some announcement about it | 16:49 |
| thingee | ok so freeze! | 16:49 |
| thingee | march 19th is k03 | 16:49 |
| thingee | k-3 rather | 16:49 |
| thingee | so I'm going to throw a date out | 16:49 |
| thingee | march 10th | 16:49 |
| thingee | 9 days of bug fixing and nothing else can get merged in unless an exception is approved by consensus of core | 16:50 |
| thingee | anyone object? | 16:50 |
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| avishay | sounds great to me | 16:50 |
| e0ne | thingee: should we have all blueprints approved or spec/code merged before feature freeze? | 16:50 |
| dulek | Is there feature-proposal-freeze? | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | Sounds good. e0ne Good question. | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | +1 | 16:51 |
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| thingee | e0ne: yes | 16:51 |
| rushiagr | e0ne: merged I guess | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | Merged, I'd have thought | 16:51 |
| thingee | to answer dulek's question, when should we stop accepting specs for k-3 | 16:51 |
| e0ne | just to confirm: we've need to get merged _code_ before ff | 16:51 |
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| e0ne | what about specs? | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: Correct | 16:52 |
| thingee | code merged by march 10 | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | So, specs have to be merged, blueprints proposed and code merged before 3/10 ? | 16:52 |
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| e0ne | is any deadline for specs merge? | 16:52 |
| thingee | spec approval by...what do people think is fair? | 16:52 |
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| thingee | feb 15? | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: That seems reasonable. Gives them a month from today. Roughly. | 16:53 |
| dulek | +1 | 16:53 |
| e0ne | feb 15 is k-2 and one week more. sounds good to me | 16:53 |
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| thingee | #idea k-3 spec feature freeze, march 10th code freeze | 16:54 |
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| dulek | thingee: Can you confirm this decision on the ML? | 16:54 |
| thingee | dulek: you bet | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | dulek: +1 | 16:54 |
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| dulek | thanks :) | 16:54 |
| thingee | ok thanks everyone | 16:54 |
| thingee | #topic Sharing volume snapshots | 16:54 |
| rushiagr | (feb 15 is sunday I think) | 16:54 |
| thingee | rushiagr: here? | 16:54 |
| rushiagr | thingee: yes | 16:54 |
| thingee | rushiagr: I never stop working | 16:55 |
| thingee | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/snapshot-sharing | 16:55 |
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| e0ne | thingee: :) | 16:55 |
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| rushiagr | thingee: thanks for the link | 16:55 |
| thingee | 4 min warning | 16:56 |
| rushiagr | so I just wanted to get an idea and if people have strong objections to it | 16:56 |
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| * DuncanT does | 16:56 | |
| avishay | i do :) | 16:56 |
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| jgriffith | unfortunately I'm not a fan of sharing at all | 16:57 |
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| jgriffith | volumes or snapshots, and certainly not ACL's | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | :( | 16:57 |
| rushiagr | I wouldn't want ACLs myself too | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: :) | 16:57 |
| avishay | rushiagr: is this a real customer need? | 16:57 |
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| rushiagr | avishay: well, sort of yes | 16:57 |
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| DuncanT | Somebody down the road /will/ want ACLs though, and pretty soon we've a reimplementation of glance sat in the cinder tree | 16:58 |
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| avishay | rushiagr: sort of, or yes? :) | 16:58 |
| rushiagr | avishay: heh. I'll say yes :) | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: maybe | 16:58 |
| avishay | i think that implementing some sort of subset of ACLs will lead to poor APIs. If it's a real need, then implement the whole thing properly. | 16:58 |
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| bswartz | I can see the use case for shapshot sharing, but it seems like it would open a can of worms. That use case can probably be addressed other ways | 16:59 |
| rushiagr | DuncanT: I would say we can stop at what I'm proposing (as I too won't want ACL too) | 16:59 |
| DuncanT | Or make glance faster and get this usecase for fre.... | 16:59 |
| dulek | Glance has public resources, isn't it solving the problem? | 16:59 |
| avishay | But I also feel they are not necessary | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | avishay: rushiagr DuncanT what about just doing public/private and drawing the line there | 16:59 |
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| dulek | I say adoption of this solution. | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | dulek: +1 :) | 16:59 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: fine by me, but make the API uniform for volumes as well - don't see why snapshots are special | 16:59 |
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| thingee | rushiagr: sorry for little time on your topic, we will revisit it next week first thing, or you can submit a spec for review. | 17:00 |
| thingee | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: my actual idea was public/private plus sharing, but public/private already had a BP. Just to be clear.. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 14 17:00:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-01-14-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-01-14-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-01-14-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | avishay: Oh FOR SURE!!! Yes that was implied :) | 17:00 |
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| sarob | Who's here for the trainers meet? | 17:00 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting trainers | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 14 17:01:57 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trainers' | 17:02 |
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| sarob | Two key members are out today | 17:02 |
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| rushiagr | thingee: thanks, no problems | 17:02 |
| sarob | So we discuss next week's sfo user group training on the ML | 17:03 |
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| sarob | #action prep for sfo user group training part 4 | 17:03 |
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| sarob | #undo | 17:04 |
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| sarob | #action sarob prep for sfo user group training part 4 | 17:05 |
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| sarob | #action reed update on upstream training for user groips and summit | 17:05 |
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| sarob | #action sarob update trainers on training guides team progress on kilo | 17:06 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 17:06 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 14 17:06:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2015/trainers.2015-01-14-17.01.html | 17:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2015/trainers.2015-01-14-17.01.txt | 17:06 |
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| reed | sarob, is the meeting over? | 17:07 |
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| garyk | is the vmware meeting now? | 17:14 |
| thangp | o/ | 17:15 |
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| garyk | thangp: hi, seems like we are the only people around :( | 17:19 |
| thangp | :P | 17:19 |
| garyk | how things with you? | 17:19 |
| thangp | ok, a few of my vmware patches are not getting any attention from cores | 17:19 |
| thangp | the bdm one is waiting for a while | 17:19 |
| thangp | how about you? | 17:19 |
| garyk | thangp: yeah, that has been waiting forever. let me try and see if we can get some eyes on it | 17:20 |
| thangp | thx | 17:20 |
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| garyk | i too have a number of patches needing love. found some resize issues and have a whole stream of patches in churn dealing with that | 17:20 |
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| thangp | yeah...i havent had time to do a lot of bug fixing lately...i have a cinder bp to finish implementing | 17:21 |
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| thangp | garyk: is tjones going to move the meeting time for vmware? | 17:22 |
| garyk | the idea is that we have alternate meeting times - one earlier for use in the middle east and others in the east | 17:23 |
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| garyk | i will send a mail to the list. we would like to do alternate weeks if possible. i need to send a mail to the list | 17:23 |
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| thangp | ok | 17:23 |
| garyk | i will try and get that out tomorrow | 17:24 |
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| tjones1 | sorry i completely spaced this morning - anyone here for vmwareapi? | 17:26 |
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| thangp | only garyk and i | 17:26 |
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| tjones1 | really sorry - do you have anything you need to discuss? otherwise i'd like to cancel for this week | 17:27 |
| thangp | nothing much | 17:27 |
| thangp | a few patches needing to get some core attention | 17:27 |
| thangp | but nothing else | 17:28 |
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| tjones1 | which ones? | 17:30 |
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| thangp | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128508/ | 17:30 |
| thangp | garyk has some too | 17:30 |
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| thangp | mine is the bdm support | 17:30 |
| thangp | it's been sitting there for a while now | 17:31 |
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| tjones1 | it looks like it could use a few +1 from this team too | 17:31 |
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| thangp | it had it, until several rebase later :) | 17:32 |
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| tjones1 | ah | 17:32 |
| tjones1 | i see | 17:32 |
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| tjones1 | gary do you have some? i could send out something to the ML with a list of things ready for core | 17:33 |
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| sarob | Reed I'm back online | 17:45 |
| reed | sarob, I noticed :) I think I made sense of the log | 17:46 |
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| sarob | Reed okay | 17:47 |
| sarob | Reed got my email on training cert too? | 17:47 |
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| reed | sarob, yes | 17:48 |
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| Salman | is the meeting started yet? | 18:03 |
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| Salman | Is this meeting about the openstack training material? | 18:09 |
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| Salman | whois sarob | 18:10 |
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| Salman2 | I am just wondering if there is any work going on for the training material? | 18:19 |
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| sarob | Anyone here for the trainers meeting? | 18:23 |
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| sarob | Looks like I screwed up and held it an hour early | 18:23 |
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| harlowja | sarob i'll be here for u | 18:28 |
| harlowja | just for u boss | 18:28 |
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| sarob | Harlowja Yur a peach yo | 18:28 |
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| harlowja | lol | 18:28 |
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| sarob | How you be | 18:29 |
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| sarob | All lonely without me there? | 18:29 |
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| elo | Am I early or late? | 18:30 |
| sarob | Late | 18:30 |
| harlowja | sarob i'm alrighty, need to find all those bottles u left | 18:30 |
| harlowja | someone has them, lol | 18:30 |
| sarob | Elo but I was early | 18:31 |
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| sarob | Harlowja in the storage room B1 ne | 18:31 |
| sarob | Elo how's it going? | 18:31 |
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| harlowja | ya, i should just go disperse those bottles to more rooms, get rid of them all | 18:31 |
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| sarob | Harlowja the key I left is for it | 18:32 |
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| harlowja | sarob with marco right? | 18:32 |
| sarob | Harlowja yup | 18:32 |
| elo | Good. In discussion with our SA team about Openstack | 18:32 |
| harlowja | k | 18:32 |
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| sarob | Harlowja or you can build a fort | 18:32 |
| harlowja | ya, or that, hmmm | 18:32 |
| harlowja | sarob u hosting nova meetup? | 18:32 |
| harlowja | u gonna be the guy getting everyone coffee and such? | 18:33 |
| sarob | Harlowja nope I have people for that ;) | 18:33 |
| harlowja | ah | 18:33 |
| harlowja | but i want my coffee from u :-/ | 18:33 |
| sarob | Elo so how can I help? | 18:34 |
| sarob | Harlowja that sounds a bit disturbing | 18:34 |
| harlowja | lol | 18:34 |
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| harlowja | sarob things i say still disturb u; guess i'm not working hard enough | 18:34 |
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| sarob | Harlowja if you wore pants I would be very disturbed | 18:35 |
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| harlowja | lol | 18:35 |
| harlowja | someday maybe | 18:35 |
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| harlowja | just for u | 18:35 |
| sarob | Harlowja euw | 18:36 |
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| elo | Sarob… we can discuss this offline since this is distribution specific… | 18:36 |
| sarob | Elo surely | 18:37 |
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| sarob | Harlowja gotta jet. Catch you on flipside. | 18:40 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 19:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 14 19:00:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 19:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:00 |
| tdasilva | hello | 19:00 |
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| cschwede | o/ | 19:01 |
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| acoles | \o | 19:01 |
| notmyname | clayg: peluse: torgomatic: complementary ping | 19:01 |
| cutforth | howdy | 19:01 |
| torgomatic | hi | 19:01 |
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| brnelson | o/ | 19:01 |
| clayg | how lucky that i'm in this channel for a change | 19:01 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:02 |
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| peluse | yo yo | 19:02 |
| notmyname | hello, everyone, in whatever timezone and on whatever day it is for you | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | I think this should be a fast meeting, but there are a few important things to review or go over | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #topic ring placement changes | 19:03 |
| notmyname | clayg: torgomatic: looks like (most of) the patch chain has landed | 19:03 |
| notmyname | what's current status and next? | 19:03 |
| notmyname | just the report patch from clayg? | 19:03 |
| torgomatic | enough of it to be useful, at least | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | clayg: I haven't studied your long gerrit comment yet. any highlights? | 19:03 |
| clayg | on which one - the dispersion-report? | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141452/10 you say "Sigh, I'm not sure we're entirely done with this :(" | 19:04 |
| * clayg didn't realize at first we already have a dispersion report that has nothing to do with ring placement | 19:04 | |
| notmyname | adding overload | 19:04 |
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| clayg | notmyname: oh yeah that... i'm sorta bummed how overload ends up working in practice | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | how so? | 19:04 |
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| clayg | notmyname: well i guess most of the time you want the old as-unique-as-possible placement until you're either a) doing a topology migraiton or b) have mostly full disks | 19:05 |
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| clayg | it's nice to have the option now, but in the general sense I'm still seeing rings that don't look entirely unreasonable getting more balance and less dispersion unless you crank overload pretty high | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | it's as if we can't write a single deployment config that works for everyone! | 19:06 |
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| clayg | but I know in the general sense that a really high overload is not really what you want because lots of full disks sucks pretty bad | 19:06 |
| peluse | you can please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but.... | 19:06 |
| notmyname | hmm | 19:06 |
| mattoliverau | So can't you leave the overload at 0 until migrating. I just think we need good documentation on it. | 19:06 |
| clayg | notmyname: seriously - lets go back to requires 5 zones and 100 disks minimum | 19:06 |
| notmyname | lol | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | clayg: for what mattoliverau said. is that what you'd recommend to people? leave it at 0 until it's needed? and docs? | 19:07 |
| clayg | notmyname: also torgomatic has a few rings in his pocket that don't seem to do anything reasonable until you add a bit of overload - and that seems wonky - but he has his debugging stuff now so it's gunna be great | 19:07 |
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| clayg | notmyname: i think acctually a little overload is great thing | 19:08 |
| notmyname | ya, that makes sense to me, from how I understand it | 19:08 |
| clayg | notmyname: I think it's easier to give up dispersion when you're facing full disks than to try and add overload once you've already got a bunch of weight | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: what is the current state of docs for overload? | 19:09 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: I wrote some words in the ring overview doc | 19:09 |
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| clayg | notmyname: the part that bugs me is that we should be able to calculate some of this up front and tell people when they're gunna have a bad time - giving them knobs and letting them fight it out with ring placement turns out to be a real try-and-see mess | 19:09 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: anything on config options? man page updates? | 19:09 |
| clayg | notmyname: i also wrote words for the dispersion change | 19:09 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:09 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: no, I didn't update the man page; probably should, though | 19:10 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: but more words is find - i'm just not sure what to say at this point | 19:10 |
| torgomatic | there are no config options | 19:10 |
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| mattoliverau | swiftstack just needs to write another in depth blog post on it :P | 19:10 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: right. config isn't what I meant. something in the deployment guide or whatever doc has that | 19:10 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: another book... | 19:10 |
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| mattoliverau | notmyname: lol, yeah or that.. so typey typey | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | clayg: looks like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145970/ is the current end of that patch chain (ie 2 patches not landed). anything else expected? | 19:11 |
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| clayg | i don't think the problem is a lack of words really; but if we don't know the problem trying to explain to people why it's hard probably doesn't hurt | 19:12 |
| notmyname | yup. that makes a lot of sense | 19:12 |
| clayg | the idea tho is that I'm going to be able to use these knobs in the controller to just "always do the right thing" and I'm not sure what that is yet :\ | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | I have confidence in you ;-) | 19:12 |
| clayg | notmyname: I think mattoliverau was going to update the commit message on that one for me ;) | 19:13 |
| clayg | but so far yeah - that's the best I've got | 19:13 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: lol | 19:13 |
| notmyname | anything else expected after the 145970 patch lands? specifically related to overload or ring dispersion? | 19:13 |
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| notmyname | ie anything currently in progress that you haven't pushed yet? | 19:14 |
| clayg | cschwede: you gotta any knowledge to drop on us regarding ring placement? | 19:14 |
| cschwede | clayg: nothing that you don’t know yet | 19:15 |
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| swift-deployer | For container sync, I was asking if the community thought there were existing Swift technology limitations inhibiting its adoption for public cloud (enterprise scale) and relative effort to address if so. | 19:15 |
| notmyname | swift-deployer: that's not the topic right now | 19:15 |
| notmyname | swift-deployer: let's come back to that at the end of the meeting | 19:16 |
| swift-deployer | I apologize. | 19:16 |
| swift-deployer | Thank you. | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | clayg: so no more expected patches? (because I'm driving towards the next release) | 19:16 |
| clayg | *I* want to talk about limitations on container-sync! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103778/ | 19:17 |
| clayg | notmyname: no more ring patches from me until i get smarter | 19:17 |
| notmyname | ok, thanks | 19:17 |
| clayg | notmyname: the ring debugger bits are useful - i have other patches that I think would look good in the next release - but I'm all ring'd out | 19:17 |
| notmyname | clayg: torgomatic: thanks for working on this and everyone for getting it merged | 19:18 |
| notmyname | #topic next release | 19:18 |
| notmyname | with the ring placement changes! | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | clayg: I saw that the other patch landed too. the container replication one | 19:18 |
| clayg | notmyname: cschwede for working on it too! and also for tricking torgomatic and me into breaking it in the first place! (where breaking it ~= making it not suck when adding failure domains) | 19:19 |
| notmyname | thanks cschwede! | 19:19 |
| clayg | notmyname: oh did it? with the large out of date or whatever - yeah that's good then | 19:19 |
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| clayg | notmyname: maybe I don't have any other known bugs with fixes to merge | 19:19 |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone on patches that should land before cutting a release? | 19:19 |
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| cschwede | you’re welcome! and thank you too for working on this! | 19:19 |
| acoles | notmyname: clayg: yes that has merged (large out of date containers) | 19:20 |
| notmyname | after https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145970/ | 19:20 |
| * clayg group hugs everyone | 19:20 | |
| notmyname | I think after https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145970/ lands then we cut a release to get it out there for everyone. ie next week. 2.2.2 | 19:20 |
| * clayg wonders if we should make I survived working on the ring t-shirts? | 19:20 | |
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| notmyname | everyone ok with that? a 2.2.2 release next week? | 19:21 |
| * peluse wishes he has contributed now :( | 19:21 | |
| notmyname | peluse: oh, I'm getting to you. you're up next ;-) | 19:21 |
| peluse | well, I meant 'had' so I could get a ring t-shert :) | 19:21 |
| cschwede | clayg: yeah! i’m in for it! ;) | 19:21 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: what about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144432/ | 19:21 |
| torgomatic | nm, I guess that's included by dependency | 19:22 |
| notmyname | ya | 19:22 |
| notmyname | that and the child patch both land before a release | 19:22 |
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| notmyname | I hear no objections or other patches that need to land.... | 19:23 |
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| notmyname | I'll talk to ttx later and get the machinery set up. go go gadget openstack process | 19:23 |
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| notmyname | (sorry for the american childrens tv show nostalgia) | 19:24 |
| notmyname | ok, next up | 19:24 |
| notmyname | #topic ec status | 19:24 |
| peluse | rock n roll | 19:24 |
| notmyname | peluse: do we have read/write done yet | 19:24 |
| peluse | #link https://trello.com/b/LlvIFIQs/swift-erasure-codes | 19:24 |
| peluse | is all up to date.... | 19:24 |
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| peluse | reconstructor still being overhauled but coming along very nicely, should be able to push something soon | 19:25 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:25 |
| peluse | tsg got the eventlet guys to do another relase so we can unblock the completion of PUT so that's coming very soon | 19:25 |
| notmyname | and clayg has been doing ring stuff and not GETs. and that's ok | 19:25 |
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| peluse | he already has a review for the new eventlet version | 19:25 |
| clayg | eventlet 0.16.1 FTW! | 19:26 |
| peluse | and yeah, when clayg gets done messing around with rings, that'll be the GET side of things | 19:26 |
| notmyname | ah, interesting. I overheard something from -infra people about a new eventlet problem. I need to check if there are any problems there | 19:26 |
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| peluse | yeh, it was something about building from source | 19:26 |
| clayg | notmyname: something fixed back in oct-ish was on greenlet's __del__ going maximum recursion - all fixed up in the new hawtness | 19:26 |
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| notmyname | cool | 19:27 |
| peluse | yeah, what we needed was the ability to do more than 1 100-cont and that was there but then the unrelated build problem, thus the new one | 19:27 |
| notmyname | peluse: the EC section of https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews is up to date too? | 19:27 |
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| peluse | anyway, that's about it. reviews page is also up to date, Yuan has a few that are WIP and map back to trelli | 19:27 |
| notmyname | gotcha | 19:27 |
| notmyname | great, thanks | 19:28 |
| peluse | trello that is | 19:28 |
| notmyname | trelli is the plural? | 19:28 |
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| notmyname | #topic swiftclient | 19:28 |
| notmyname | /justbecause | 19:29 |
| notmyname | anything here? there's a couple of outstanding bugs listed on the priority reviews page. and has anyone looks at openstack-sdk work recently? | 19:29 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: you now what your commit message RE: 145970 ;) | 19:29 |
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| clayg | mattoliverau: man, that is a *fine* commit message - you're like a poet | 19:30 |
| notmyname | lol | 19:30 |
| clayg | notmyname: i'm not sure the openstack-sdk thing is going to pan out :\ | 19:30 |
| notmyname | certainly not something we're spending much time on, as a group | 19:31 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: why thank you, I used mostly your own words from comments you wrote inline, so there is a poet inside of you somewhere :P | 19:31 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:31 |
| clayg | notmyname: it's just gunna be hard and we still have a lot of work to do from swiftclient.services on up; plus I think the dependency is gunna be annoying and we never dicussed a deprecation strategy for the existing swiftclient.client except to nebulous idea that we'd try to stop using it as the sdk depends got better ish? | 19:32 |
| notmyname | I'm working on setting up hackathon details. invites should be public next week | 19:32 |
| acoles | notmyname: there's at least one other swiftclient bug fix i would add to the list if thats ok https://review.openstack.org/125759 | 19:32 |
| notmyname | clayg: oh I totally agree | 19:32 |
| notmyname | acoles: yes | 19:32 |
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| brnelson | do you have the hackathon location yet? | 19:32 |
| clayg | notmyname: I think acoles and I have some outstanding patches to swiftclient that would be pretty good - joel is trying to fix something with downloading huge containers | 19:33 |
| clayg | oh - hi acoles ! | 19:33 |
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| acoles | clayg: howdy, yes there's joel's stuff too | 19:33 |
| notmyname | brnelson: yes. san francsico | 19:33 |
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| clayg | acoles: sorry i haven't been working on fast-POST; fwiw at some point I decided you were right about everything and the crushing blow to my ego has been enough to keep easily distracted by other things | 19:33 |
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| acoles | clayg: lol. hey, you may yet be proven right, i sometimes wake up in a cold sweat about it all :) | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | swift-deployer: what were you asking about container sync? | 19:34 |
| acoles | clayg: i still have bunch of tests to write | 19:34 |
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| swift-deployer | I was asking if the community thought there were existing Swift technology limitations inhibiting its adoption for public cloud and relative effort to address if so. | 19:35 |
| clayg | acoles: maybe while you're still being frustated by lack of useful contribution you could update the spec with your current line of work so I can at least approve that as the most likely path forward to eventual success | 19:35 |
| clayg | *I* have opinions about how to make container sync suck less - they are very similar to my opinions on how to make the reconciler scale better | 19:35 |
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| notmyname | swift-deployer: mostly it's along the lines of cluster interconnect capacity. | 19:35 |
| clayg | oh... well yeah... you need lots of bandwidth - duh | 19:36 |
| notmyname | clayg: (1) think real hard (2) type in better code | 19:36 |
| acoles | clayg: will do, i was holding off doing so in case i crashed and burned with the actual code | 19:36 |
| swift-deployer | can you please elaborate on that? | 19:36 |
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| notmyname | swift-deployer: if you've got a billion objects or lots of TB/PB to sync, it can take a long time. | 19:37 |
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| clayg | acoles: nah, it's gunna be great, even if the code is hard it'd be worth it to have a plan written down that I believe should theoritically be solveable - my previous thinking I have finally proven to myself was flawed - it was an interesting proof, but not terribly so since it only proved I can't do it the way I wanted :'( | 19:37 |
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| clayg | notmyname: if anyone is interested in making container-sync and the reconciler faster they should consider how many 404's you get when you send a PUT with an x-timestamp and what happens if you get a 409 (I already have that x-timestamp) from a node in the proxies connect_put_nodes | 19:38 |
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| clayg | notmyname: then review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103778/ | 19:39 |
| acoles | clayg: so are you ok with me pushing a revised spec over your version? | 19:39 |
| clayg | acoles: my version was shit, everything in there is garbage, I'm an idiot - anything is better than what's there, what's there won't work | 19:40 |
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| clayg | acoles: so - yeah knock yourself out bro! | 19:40 |
| clayg | acoles: i'd consider it a kindness | 19:40 |
| acoles | clayg: ok that sounds like a great commit message :D | 19:41 |
| notmyname | lol | 19:41 |
| notmyname | clayg: I added it to the priority reviews page | 19:41 |
| mattoliverau | I think clayg needs a hug | 19:41 |
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| acoles | clayg: actually fwiw somewhere some good stuff cross fertilised imho | 19:41 |
| clayg | notmyname: the x-timestamp thing? meh, it doesn't need +2's as much as more people telling me I'm an idiot | 19:41 |
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| clayg | I know what the problem is - i just need more eyes to flesh out the solution | 19:42 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: I'll have to take your hug back to clayg next week ;-) | 19:42 |
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| mattoliverau | notmyname: you do that | 19:42 |
| notmyname | ok, let's call it | 19:43 |
| notmyname | thank you everyone for coming and participating | 19:43 |
| notmyname | thank you for working on swift | 19:43 |
| notmyname | (I get to say nice things about you in my LCA talk today) | 19:43 |
| mattoliverau | yay | 19:43 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:43 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 14 19:43:39 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-01-14-19.00.html | 19:43 |
| acoles | notmyname: hope the talk goes well | 19:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-01-14-19.00.txt | 19:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-01-14-19.00.log.html | 19:43 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks | 19:43 |
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| clayg | swift-deployer: if you had some other ideas on container-sync I'd be happy to hear your specific thoughts in #openstack-swift | 19:44 |
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| swift-deployer | has the community Are there any other concerns besides bandwidth? | 19:44 |
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| asalkeld | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 14 20:00:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| ryansb | hello folks | 20:00 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 20:00 |
| tspatzier | hi | 20:00 |
| spzala | hi | 20:00 |
| asalkeld | hi | 20:00 |
| shardy | o/ | 20:00 |
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| asalkeld | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 20:00 |
| jpeeler | hi | 20:00 |
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| asalkeld | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 20:01 |
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| asalkeld | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-12-17-20.00.html | 20:02 |
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| skraynev_ | \oo/ | 20:02 |
| asalkeld | I don't think i did that:-O | 20:02 |
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| asalkeld | #action asalkeld to write up an email to the ml re: meetup | 20:02 |
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| asalkeld | oops, I'll get on that | 20:02 |
| asalkeld | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 20:03 |
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| asalkeld | any new topics for today? | 20:03 |
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| zaneb | o/ | 20:03 |
| stevebaker | hi | 20:04 |
| skraynev_ | probably I had one small question about functional tests | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | ok | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | (slightly distracted) | 20:04 |
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| asalkeld | maybe zaneb can give us an update on his convergence work | 20:04 |
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| shardy | Are we still doing critical issues sync as an item? | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | we can | 20:05 |
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| zaneb | that won't take long :/ | 20:05 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Ok, just wanted to draw attention to https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1384750 | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | #topic critical issues sync as an item? | 20:05 |
| shardy | which has been confirmed today and isn't targetted to k2 | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1384750 | 20:05 |
| shardy | I reported it but I don't have a fix atm | 20:05 |
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| asalkeld | ok, maybe i can look at it | 20:06 |
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| shardy | Ok, thanks, just wanted to get some eyes on it | 20:06 |
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| asalkeld | #topic functional tests | 20:07 |
| asalkeld | skraynev_: ... | 20:07 |
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| skraynev_ | cool. I wonder what we plan to do for functional test, e.i. do we want to have test create/delete for each resource? | 20:07 |
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| asalkeld | skraynev_: not sure, i am adding more logic tests into functional | 20:08 |
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| asalkeld | updates, nested with env, files | 20:09 |
| asalkeld | deeper tests that should not be in unit tess | 20:09 |
| skraynev_ | yes, but it covers basic resource structure. | 20:09 |
| asalkeld | but you might be thinking of scenario tests | 20:09 |
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| asalkeld | you can't really test all resources in isolation | 20:10 |
| skraynev_ | scenario is not equal functional? | 20:10 |
| skraynev_ | agree | 20:10 |
| shardy | skraynev_: FWIW, I don't think we should duplicate stuff we can test in the unit tests, as there's more overhead in doing the functional testing | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: tests which have groups of resources interacting might be more useful | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | scenario are linking a bunch of servies together | 20:10 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: sure | 20:11 |
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| shardy | yeah, and functional are about proving heat behaves in a specific way, testing multiple levels of our implementation | 20:11 |
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| asalkeld | skraynev_: scenario is for autoscaling | 20:12 |
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| skraynev_ | ok, so you have not objections if it be some bunches f.e. for neutron, sahara, autoscaling | 20:12 |
| asalkeld | and other non trivial usecasese | 20:12 |
| pas-ha | so we better come up with IRL-like usage scenarios | 20:12 |
| asalkeld | skraynev_: that would be great | 20:12 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha: "IRL"? | 20:13 |
| pas-ha | in real life | 20:13 |
| skraynev_ | common use-cases which we use constantly on deployments ;) | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | dang i am bad at acronym | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | ok, lets move on | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | #topic zane update on convergence | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | zaneb: .. | 20:15 |
| zaneb | still working on it | 20:15 |
| zaneb | struggling to find time at the moment | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | i see | 20:15 |
| zaneb | but close to putting something out there for discussion | 20:15 |
| zaneb | that resolves the last issues about storing progress | 20:15 |
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| asalkeld | please priortise as much as possible | 20:16 |
| zaneb | unfortunately by throwing away a lot of the efficiency gains I hoped to include :/ | 20:16 |
| zaneb | but it doesn't look like there is much of a choice | 20:16 |
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| asalkeld | correct first | 20:17 |
| zaneb | indeed | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | what efficiency gains are we taking about? | 20:17 |
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| zaneb | avoiding lots and lots and lots of writes to the database | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | so now it's going to be chatty | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | :( | 20:18 |
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| zaneb | basically to ensure we maintain all of the state we're going to be hammering the DB | 20:18 |
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| asalkeld | ok | 20:19 |
| zaneb | but if we don't then it's impossible to correctly hand-off from a previous update that was still in progress on a resource to the current update | 20:19 |
| asalkeld | sure | 20:19 |
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| zaneb | other than polling in a loop, which is (a) unpalatable, and (b) also hammers the DB anyway | 20:20 |
| asalkeld | zaneb: keep anat and co. in the loop they are frustated and need some idea of the progress | 20:21 |
| zaneb | ok | 20:21 |
| shardy | didn't we have to optimze DB access due to scale limitations related to metadata/DB access previously? | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: did that | 20:22 |
| shardy | e.g if we make the DB access much more high bandwidth, will it break the problem we're trying to solve? | 20:22 |
| shardy | e.g the scalability problem | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | yes it is much better now | 20:22 |
| zaneb | possibly | 20:22 |
| asalkeld | i think that was the guest polling | 20:22 |
| shardy | I suppose scaling the DB is more of a solved problem, but I'm wary of reintroducing those problems again.. | 20:22 |
| zaneb | although hopefully itwon't get as O(n^2) as it was before stevebaker's improvements | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | it was the overhead of stack parsing | 20:22 |
| asalkeld | i see | 20:22 |
| shardy | Okay, cool, as long as we're not going back to square one in that regard :) | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | joined fetches helped a lot | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | lets move on | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | #topic kilo-2 | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/kilo-2 | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | that's due on 5 feb | 20:24 |
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| asalkeld | so if you have a bp that is not likely to make it, please tell me | 20:24 |
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| asalkeld | i don't know about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/support-cinderclient-v2 | 20:25 |
| asalkeld | in "unknown state" | 20:25 |
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| asalkeld | any questions about kilo-2 and/or specs? | 20:26 |
| pas-ha | I think we have some logic around cinder v2 already | 20:26 |
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| pas-ha | now we use create the client with max version available | 20:26 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha: maybe that is already implemented? | 20:27 |
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| pas-ha | and jump around in couple of places as APIs are not exactly the same | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | i'll check the git history | 20:27 |
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| pas-ha | need to theck with the author what exactly was meant by this bp | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | i did send an email, so far no response | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | it's implemented | 20:28 |
| asalkeld | Adrien Vergé <adrien.verge@numergy.com> | 20:29 |
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| asalkeld | 2014-09-23 | 20:29 |
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| asalkeld | nice | 20:29 |
| asalkeld | ok, we can move to open discussion now | 20:29 |
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| asalkeld | #topic open discussion | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | or close early, I am easy | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | blueprint support-cinder-api-v2 | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | the blueprint was wrong, and didn't update the spec | 20:31 |
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| pas-ha | cool | 20:31 |
| pas-ha | I have a question about removing scheduler logic from handle*/check*complete methods | 20:31 |
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| asalkeld | pas-ha: i think that's only complex stuff | 20:32 |
| asalkeld | zaneb: might remember | 20:32 |
| zaneb | pas-ha: do it | 20:32 |
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| pas-ha | I tried to get rid of them in current architecture, but ended up with simplified TaskRunner :( | 20:32 |
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| zaneb | pas-ha: FSMs are your friend | 20:33 |
| shardy | Does anyone know the status of the Mistral resources? | 20:33 |
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| zaneb | just pass the state as the parameter to check_*_complete | 20:33 |
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| shardy | I've seen some updates to the spec lately, but interested how actively the code is being worked on | 20:33 |
| zaneb | instead of passing a continuation | 20:34 |
| pas-ha | The client is ready, | 20:34 |
| pas-ha | resources are being worked on | 20:34 |
| asalkeld | shardy: yeah it's active | 20:34 |
| pas-ha | for starters there'd be workflow and crontimer | 20:34 |
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| pas-ha | zaneb, thanks, will dif in than direction | 20:35 |
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| asalkeld | tho' shardy want to clarify | 20:35 |
| asalkeld | not sure what you are asking | 20:35 |
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| shardy | asalkeld: I'd love it if folks could follow up on my application HA thread on openstack-dev with more concrete examples of how the mistral integration may help solve the problem | 20:35 |
| shardy | I know you and zaneb were in favour of that direction, but I'm fuzzy on the details tbh | 20:35 |
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| shardy | e.g exactly how the interaction between the workflow and orchestration would work | 20:36 |
| asalkeld | i have forgotten that thread :-O, need to find it | 20:36 |
| zaneb | Mistral calling Heat would be a step in the workflow | 20:36 |
| shardy | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/053447.html | 20:36 |
| shardy | asalkeld: ^^ ;) | 20:37 |
| asalkeld | ta | 20:37 |
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| asalkeld | so instead of type: OS::Heat::ScalingPolicy | 20:37 |
| asalkeld | you have a workflow | 20:37 |
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| asalkeld | and the workflow, does an update on the stack | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | to do what every you want | 20:38 |
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| zaneb | yeah, exactly | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | (more flexible that keep adding new stuff to heat resources) | 20:38 |
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| asalkeld | i feel like heat autoscaling is too inflexible for many | 20:39 |
| shardy | Ok, that sounds OK (although maybe s/update/signal ref my mail) | 20:39 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: I may ask folks who is working on it to give (may be in g_docs) some examples of use cases. Or may be demo record. | 20:39 |
| shardy | but I'd really like more examples of what that workflow would look like, e.g a Heat resource which defines a mistral workflow, which then calls heat | 20:39 |
| asalkeld | yeah we need some concrete examples | 20:39 |
| asalkeld | in my defense, i did ask for that in the spec | 20:40 |
| shardy | Then, when the resources start getting posted, we can experiment with the HA use-case I described and figure out if it'll work :) | 20:40 |
| skraynev_ | asalkeld: :) | 20:40 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Yeah, so did I :) | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143989/7/specs/kilo/mistral-resources.rst | 20:41 |
| asalkeld | my top comment | 20:41 |
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| asalkeld | i like my use case 3 ;) | 20:42 |
| skraynev_ | but you also understand, that it's not so easy and short demonstrate whole information about use case in spec, IMO | 20:42 |
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| asalkeld | skraynev_: sure, but blindly making resources that match the upstream api is not good either | 20:43 |
| asalkeld | we need to make sure that the template looks sensible | 20:43 |
| asalkeld | and it actually solves a problem | 20:43 |
| skraynev_ | asalkeld: fully agree | 20:43 |
| shardy | asalkeld: +1 | 20:43 |
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| asalkeld | :) | 20:44 |
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| skraynev_ | so there is reason, why we want to upload first avaliable code of resources | 20:44 |
| skraynev_ | it will give us a chance to touch it and play with it | 20:44 |
| asalkeld | skraynev_: code is great | 20:45 |
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| asalkeld | we can do actual experimentation | 20:45 |
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| asalkeld | i'd suggest mistral/heat integartion is esp. important and we need to get it right | 20:45 |
| shardy | Yeah, posting the code early would be good, a lot of us are interested in this :) | 20:46 |
| asalkeld | shardy: re: decouple-nested | 20:46 |
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| asalkeld | i am onto the update-policy tests | 20:46 |
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| shardy | asalkeld: Sorry about the test nightmare I gave you... :( | 20:46 |
| asalkeld | not too many tests to fix after that | 20:46 |
| asalkeld | so i am hopeful of landing it in time | 20:47 |
| asalkeld | no worries | 20:47 |
| shardy | asalkeld: awesome! I owe you many beers at the next summit :) | 20:47 |
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| asalkeld | hopefully it will be valueble to convergence too | 20:47 |
| shardy | I actually think it'll be a really good thing for scalability with big stacks w/lots of provider resources etc | 20:47 |
| shardy | I don't have any numbers to back that up tho :) | 20:48 |
| pas-ha | btw, functional tests - looks like all instance group tests were silently skipped, and when enabled one of them fails - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147136/ | 20:48 |
| asalkeld | ooo, ok thanks pas-ha | 20:48 |
| shardy | ouch, nicely spotted pas-ha | 20:49 |
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| zaneb | I don't understand why our test framework allows us to have slient-skip-on-error | 20:49 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha: hopefully the lab in czech is working today | 20:49 |
| asalkeld | zaneb: yeah, we need to just fail | 20:50 |
| asalkeld | not skip | 20:50 |
| pas-ha | well, I use my beefy desktop box | 20:50 |
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| pas-ha | that was not an error | 20:50 |
| pas-ha | of the test | 20:50 |
| skraynev_ | same for me | 20:50 |
| pas-ha | but error of the config | 20:50 |
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| asalkeld | i need to get one, just have a laptop | 20:50 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha: isn't the keypair only for manually poking at failed tests? | 20:50 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: maybe we just need to remove the use of it | 20:51 |
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| pas-ha | stevebaker, https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat_integrationtests/functional/test_instance_group.py#L116 | 20:51 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: I like being able to debug failed tests | 20:51 |
| pas-ha | and we have None by default in config | 20:51 |
| asalkeld | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat_integrationtests/functional/test_instance_group.py#L158 | 20:52 |
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| stevebaker | pas-ha: ah. That test should be creating its own keypair if one is not configured | 20:52 |
| pas-ha | yep, that I have pointed in review | 20:53 |
| asalkeld | does launchconfig require the keyname | 20:53 |
| asalkeld | cool, not required | 20:54 |
| asalkeld | we can just remove references to it | 20:54 |
| pas-ha | nope, optional | 20:54 |
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| pas-ha | but stevebaker likes to debug failed stuff | 20:54 |
| pas-ha | and me too frankly | 20:55 |
| asalkeld | 5mins left | 20:55 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha: i am using a random string there | 20:55 |
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| asalkeld | don't need a key to debug a random string | 20:55 |
| pas-ha | aha, ok | 20:55 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha: just do this https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat_integrationtests/scenario/test_server_cfn_init.py#L31 | 20:55 |
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| stevebaker | pas-ha: that should probably be a common method | 20:56 |
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| pas-ha | indeed, coud be moved | 20:56 |
| asalkeld | cant test.py setup() do that? | 20:56 |
| asalkeld | what ever | 20:57 |
| pas-ha | some logic would be needed not to create too many keypairs | 20:57 |
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| asalkeld | the use of it should be removed from instance group test (as it's not needed there) | 20:58 |
| asalkeld | i'll add that to the review | 20:59 |
| asalkeld | that is all folks.. | 20:59 |
| asalkeld | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 14 20:59:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-01-14-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-01-14-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-01-14-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
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