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| crinkle | morning | 13:59 |
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| dprince | crinkle: morning | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | morning! | 14:00 |
| mdorman | o/ | 14:00 |
| crinkle | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 12 14:00:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is crinkle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 14:01 |
| crinkle | #topic Vancouver summit | 14:01 |
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| crinkle | EmilienM: ? | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-vancouver-summit-proposal | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | I started an etherpad | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | I would like to submit a talk with someone | 14:02 |
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| EmilienM | about a deployment use-case with our Puppet modules | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | show our efforts | 14:02 |
| mfisch | morning | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | the status, what you can do, how to contribute, etc | 14:03 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: though it's maybe a bit too early to talk about design dessions | 14:04 |
| EmilienM | sessions* | 14:04 |
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| mfisch | EmilienM: thats a good idea for a talk | 14:04 |
| EmilienM | it's a mix between ops/dev talk | 14:05 |
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| crinkle | mfisch: might be a good person to give that talk with :) | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | indeed, why not! | 14:05 |
| mfisch | I need to discuss with my team but its possible yes | 14:06 |
| mfisch | just cannot commit yet | 14:06 |
| mdorman | i’d be happy to be a part of that too | 14:06 |
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| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to start an abstract on the etherpad | 14:06 |
| spredzy | hello all | 14:06 |
| crinkle | I'm happy to help too I just don't have a real deployment to talk about | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | mdorman: ok. We will figure that out. | 14:07 |
| mdorman | kk | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | mdorman: mfisch crinkle : I just created the etherpad to be sure we don't overlap much about Puppet submissions | 14:08 |
| EmilienM | and try to submit them efficiently, and together | 14:08 |
| mdorman | sounds good. | 14:08 |
| EmilienM | cool. We'll follow up on IRC later | 14:08 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: done. | 14:08 |
| crinkle | mmk | 14:08 |
| crinkle | #topic Ops midcycle | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ops midcycle (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 14:09 | |
| crinkle | I'm not sure if I will be there, but I know there will be a puppet session | 14:09 |
| crinkle | mfisch has volunteered to moderate it | 14:09 |
| crinkle | it would be good to come up with topics beforehand I think | 14:09 |
| mfisch | EmilienM: will you be coming? | 14:10 |
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| EmilienM | mfisch: where is it? | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | and when? sorry I missed the infos | 14:10 |
| crinkle | philadelphia | 14:10 |
| mfisch | Philadelphia, US | 14:10 |
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| mfisch | east coast-ish | 14:10 |
| crinkle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PHL-ops-meetup | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | thanks | 14:10 |
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| EmilienM | hum. I don't think I'll go, I'm not OPS but I'll forward it to my OPS team. | 14:11 |
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| EmilienM | but +1 to let mfisch moderating it :-) | 14:12 |
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| mfisch | But yes we do need an agenda | 14:12 |
| crinkle | should we try to start one now or send to the mailing list? | 14:12 |
| spredzy | crinkle, if you don't ago is anyone from PL going ? | 14:13 |
| crinkle | spredzy: possibly one of our ops people | 14:13 |
| mfisch | WIth an ops focus some discussion on things that are problems for ops is high on my agenda | 14:13 |
| spredzy | crinkle, who ever that person is, probably add him/her in the loop for the agenda might be a good idea | 14:14 |
| crinkle | sure | 14:14 |
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| crinkle | #action Ask mailing list for help preparing ops midcycle agenda | 14:15 |
| xingchao | hi,all | 14:16 |
| crinkle | hello | 14:16 |
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| crinkle | #topic openstackclient patches | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "openstackclient patches (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 14:17 | |
| crinkle | We merged all the major work but it ended up wreaking a bit of havoc | 14:17 |
| crinkle | Three patches still to do bugfixes, then all those patches should be backported: | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | yeah | 14:17 |
| crinkle | #link https://review.openstack.org/145861 | 14:17 |
| crinkle | #link https://review.openstack.org/145986 | 14:17 |
| crinkle | #link https://review.openstack.org/145987 | 14:18 |
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| EmilienM | xingchao: could you review/merge them please? | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | since you're the only one core around today | 14:18 |
| fc__ | hi all ... very late | 14:19 |
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| EmilienM | or fc__ ... | 14:19 |
| crinkle | hello | 14:19 |
| spredzy | sbadia, ^^ | 14:19 |
| xingchao | EmilienM: Ok, I will review them. sorry for absent recent meeting :( | 14:19 |
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| mfisch | crinkle: once those are merged and stable can you update the progres on the ML? | 14:19 |
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| sbadia | hi, late also :s | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | seems like some people woke up after my last e-mail :-) | 14:19 |
| crinkle | mfisch: sure | 14:19 |
| mfisch | we'd like to move our trees forward but were waiting for less chaos | 14:20 |
| mdorman | +1 | 14:20 |
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| EmilienM | great. Enough core people to have a look at the backports. Please review them, they are blockers | 14:20 |
| crinkle | #action crinkle will update the mailing list when openstackclient patches are merged and stable | 14:20 |
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| crinkle | #info Next steps are updating the patches to allow keystone v3 (richm) and updating the rest of the modules to use openstackclient (crinkle) | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | wouhouuuuu | 14:22 |
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| crinkle | Anything else to discuss on that topic? | 14:23 |
| EmilienM | nop | 14:23 |
| crinkle | mmk | 14:23 |
| crinkle | #topic rabbitmq | 14:23 |
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| crinkle | puppet labs just released a 5.0.0 of the rabbitmq module that contains a security fix | 14:24 |
| crinkle | I would really like to get the modules to be using that | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: any pointer? | 14:24 |
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| crinkle | EmilienM: pointer? | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: URL | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: what does it change? | 14:25 |
| crinkle | ah I don't think there is a cve yet for the security fix | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | if it's the way to setup RabbitMQ server, I would argue to drop this code | 14:25 |
| crinkle | there are some api changes that make it incompatible with nova::rabbitmq and cinder::rabbitmq | 14:25 |
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| EmilienM | and just manage RabbitMQ resources (users/permissions/vhosts) | 14:25 |
| crinkle | #link https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppetlabs-rabbitmq/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: server side? | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | thx for URL | 14:26 |
| crinkle | I don't know the best way to deprecate those clases | 14:26 |
| crinkle | classes | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: 5.0.0 changes are for server or resources? | 14:27 |
| crinkle | mainly for the server setup | 14:27 |
| crinkle | so it wouldn't really affect the rabbitmq_user and such | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | ok so my position here is to drop this code | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | because it's not up to our modules to setup rabbitmq server | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | we already had this discussion I think | 14:27 |
| crinkle | we did but I'm wondering if we can just drop it or if we have to go through a deprecation cycle first | 14:28 |
| spredzy | Agree with EmilienM about not up to the puppet-openstack modules to set up rabbit | 14:28 |
| spredzy | crinkle, that would be one way to go | 14:28 |
| EmilienM | deprecation first | 14:28 |
| EmilienM | communicate on the ML | 14:28 |
| EmilienM | and drop the code in next cycle | 14:28 |
| EmilienM | iirc, bogdando was working on it. | 14:29 |
| crinkle | on the other hand given that the release contains a security fix maybe we could sidestep the deprecation ocycle | 14:29 |
| spredzy | crinkle, defined sidestep please | 14:29 |
| bogdando | hello | 14:29 |
| spredzy | define* | 14:29 |
| crinkle | bogdando: is still working on it, I don't think all his latest patches are in this release though | 14:29 |
| crinkle | spredzy: just dropping it as opposed to notifying and then dropping in six months? | 14:30 |
| EmilienM | spredzy: esquiver! | 14:30 |
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| bogdando | crinkle, EmilienM I submitted a patch which allow rabbitmq not being installed from nova anymore | 14:30 |
| EmilienM | good. | 14:30 |
| crinkle | bogdando: link? | 14:30 |
| spredzy | crinkle, EmilienM thx | 14:30 |
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| bogdando | #link: https://review.openstack.org/144745 | 14:31 |
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| crinkle | so I think we'd rather drop that class entirely instead of modifying it | 14:32 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: I would drop the class and use https://github.com/stackforge/puppet-openstacklib/blob/master/manifests/messaging/rabbitmq.pp | 14:33 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: I mean, keep nova::rabbitmq but using openstacklib | 14:33 |
| crinkle | okay, my only concern is whether we can do that on master now or if we need to add a notify{} to it and then fix it in six months | 14:34 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: I would warning | 14:34 |
| crinkle | okay | 14:35 |
| crinkle | #action crinkle will submit patches to puppet-nova and puppet-cinder to add deprecation warning for setting up the rabbitmq server | 14:35 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle and bogdando : just make sure you're sync on this one | 14:36 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: also, change the way to create resources to use openstacklib. | 14:36 |
| crinkle | yes | 14:36 |
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| bogdando | crinkle, EmilienM so, looks like the new versions of rabbitmq module install should go to this messaging/rabbitmq.pp as well? | 14:37 |
| crinkle | yes openstacklib should be updated to use the new module version | 14:38 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: there is no change AFIK since it only affect server configuration | 14:38 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: isn't? | 14:38 |
| bogdando | If we want remove rabbitmq_class we should first deprecate it and keep with False option, IMHO | 14:38 |
| spredzy | crinkle, bogdando isn't the prupose by the end of next sprint being to not manage rabbitmq via puppet-modules anymore ? | 14:38 |
| crinkle | bogdando: makes sense | 14:38 |
| spredzy | so class rabbitmq shouldn't be moved to message/rabbitmq.pp | 14:39 |
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| spredzy | sprint -> cycle | 14:39 |
| spredzy | sorry | 14:39 |
| EmilienM | openstacklib/messaging/rabbitmq.pp is only for users/permissions/vhosts resources | 14:39 |
| bogdando | spredzy, yes, it should. I suggest 1st to deprecate this param and provide a new value for it (false) | 14:39 |
| crinkle | +1 | 14:40 |
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| spredzy | ack | 14:40 |
| crinkle | #action also modify the rabbitmq class to not require setting up the server (bogdando - https://review.openstack.org/144745) | 14:41 |
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| crinkle | anything else on rabbitmq? | 14:41 |
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| spredzy | nop | 14:42 |
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| crinkle | #topic puppet-group members | 14:42 |
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| crinkle | EmilienM: | 14:42 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://groups.google.com/a/puppetlabs.com/forum/#!topic/puppet-openstack/t8hYgzceOdM | 14:42 |
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| EmilienM | so I would like to drop people not involved from the list: https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/134,members | 14:43 |
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| EmilienM | I like hogepodge words | 14:43 |
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| EmilienM | people not involved lately, may come back later but for now, we need to update the list | 14:44 |
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| mdorman | +1 | 14:44 |
| mfisch | +1 | 14:44 |
| mfisch | especially for people who did not even reply to the email | 14:44 |
| EmilienM | so the first step is to drop some people, and the next step would be to promote some others that contributed well in the last cycle | 14:44 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: indeed :D | 14:45 |
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| EmilienM | let me quote chris words "I’d like to think of being a core developer as more of a responsibility than as a reward. If you’re not able to contribute to reviews, coding, planning meetings, and other community efforts, there should be no shame in stepping down and no barriers for reentry when you can commit yourself again." | 14:45 |
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| EmilienM | sbadia: crinkle xingchao fc__ : since you are the 4 core here, can you vote? | 14:46 |
| crinkle | +1 | 14:46 |
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| sbadia | +1 too | 14:47 |
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| sbadia | :) | 14:47 |
| EmilienM | ok, sounds like everyone (core and non-core) agree with it. | 14:47 |
| xingchao | +1 other openstack team also follow this rule | 14:47 |
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| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to update the list and communicate on the ML about the update | 14:48 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: done. | 14:48 |
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| crinkle | #topic open discussion | 14:48 |
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| crinkle | any other topics to bring up? | 14:48 |
| EmilienM | dprince: hey | 14:49 |
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| dprince | EmilienM: hello | 14:49 |
| EmilienM | I think Dan wanted to give an update about Heat/Puppet integration | 14:49 |
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| dprince | sure, the update is that things are (slowly) progressing. Patches have started to land in the TripleO Heat Templates. | 14:50 |
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| dprince | we are tracking progress on this etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-integration-in-heat-tripleo | 14:50 |
| EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-integration-in-heat-tripleo | 14:50 |
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| dprince | there are good notes there about how this work, etc. But today we are very close to having a working devtest_overcloud.sh which can use Puppet. | 14:51 |
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| EmilienM | dprince: this is awesome | 14:51 |
| dprince | devtest_overcloud.sh is a script we use in TripleO to dev/test things | 14:51 |
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| * dprince figures this probably doesn't mean much here... it is a TripleO thing | 14:51 | |
| EmilienM | it's okay | 14:52 |
| dprince | One thing I would mention is I'm really liking the ability to deploy to baremetal w/ Heat and Puppet | 14:52 |
| EmilienM | it's another interesting use-case here | 14:52 |
| dprince | Heat gives you the ability to use OpenStack APIs to create the basic deployment resources, via Ironic, Neutron, etc. | 14:52 |
| dprince | And PUppet is great for the configuration side. | 14:52 |
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| dprince | I've already got some good feedback from nibalizer, and EmilienM on the reviews. But more thoughts would be appreciated. | 14:54 |
| crinkle | awesome | 14:54 |
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| dprince | As an example this is what a puppet storage node ended up looking like: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146129/2/puppet/overcloud_storage.pp,cm | 14:54 |
| EmilienM | dprince: xingchao is very familiar with puppet-swift AFIK | 14:54 |
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| EmilienM | fc__ to | 14:54 |
| EmilienM | I would ask them to have a look at the manifests if they want/can | 14:55 |
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| dprince | EmilienM: ++ that would be cool | 14:55 |
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| dprince | As much as possible I'm trying to keep the manifests themselves to just 'include' statements, and then do everything else in Hiera | 14:56 |
| dprince | I'm missing some Heat features to be able to do some conversions however... so I need to do a bit of that on the puppet side for now. | 14:56 |
| EmilienM | +1 | 14:56 |
| dprince | Eventually, when some of the Heat features land I think we'll end up in a much better place... | 14:56 |
| EmilienM | exactly how people should use the modules | 14:56 |
| EmilienM | good progress, thanks for the update | 14:57 |
| crinkle | we're about out of time, any other updates? | 14:57 |
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| EmilienM | dprince: don't hesitate to poke us on IRC if you need reviews | 14:57 |
| dprince | EmilienM: cool, thanks | 14:57 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: I think we are done :-) | 14:58 |
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| crinkle | woot | 14:58 |
| crinkle | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 12 14:58:52 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-01-12-14.00.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-01-12-14.00.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-01-12-14.00.log.html | 14:58 |
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| EmilienM | thanks everyone, have a great day/evening | 14:59 |
| mfisch | thanks | 14:59 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 12 15:00:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
| anteaya | anyone here for the third-party meeting? | 15:00 |
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| smcginnis | anteaya: Hi | 15:01 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: hello there | 15:01 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: did you have something you would like to discuss? | 15:02 |
| asselin_ | hi | 15:02 |
| anteaya | asselin_: hi | 15:02 |
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| anteaya | asselin_: did your patch merge? | 15:02 |
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| smcginnis | anteaya: Nope, just thought I would listen in in case there was anything interesting. | 15:02 |
| asselin_ | anteaya, yes it did :) | 15:02 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: great thanks | 15:02 |
| anteaya | asselin_: congratulations | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | asselin_: are things in place for the sprint? | 15:03 |
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| asselin_ | anteaya, so far so good. I'd like to do a few more beforehand to iron out any remaining issues | 15:04 |
| anteaya | good idea | 15:04 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: do you know about asselin_'s work here? | 15:04 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: asselin_ has been working to implement this infra spec | 15:05 |
| asselin_ | hi smcginnis | 15:05 |
| anteaya | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/puppet-modules.html | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | anteaya: Is that the in-tree CI? | 15:05 |
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| smcginnis | Hey asselin_! | 15:05 |
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| anteaya | this is the prep work for the in-tree CI spec | 15:05 |
| asselin_ | I'm working on both | 15:05 |
| anteaya | asselin_: do you want to explain? | 15:05 |
| anteaya | perhaps smcginnis can attend the sprint and help out? | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | Oh, yes, I had seen some of the puppet work. Very nice! | 15:06 |
| asselin_ | yes, the puppet splits is straight forward. | 15:06 |
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| smcginnis | I may be able to a little. Next three weeks are going to be hell for me. :/ | 15:06 |
| asselin_ | move the 'modules' in system-config/modules into their own repos | 15:06 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: why is that, if you don't mind me asking? | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | I would be willing to do what I can though. | 15:06 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: thanks | 15:06 |
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| smcginnis | anteaya: Just travel and other commitments. | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | At least one of the travel weeks is for cinder. | 15:07 |
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| anteaya | smcginnis: I hear that | 15:07 |
| anteaya | yes | 15:07 |
| anteaya | asselin_: here is the page for book the virtual sprints channel for a virtual sprint | 15:07 |
| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints | 15:08 |
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| asselin_ | with the recent patch merged, we can now do the other modules sprints much faster with quicker reviews | 15:08 |
| anteaya | asselin_: do you want to add the puppet module sprint, so new people can be pointed to it? | 15:08 |
| asselin_ | anteaya, sure | 15:08 |
| anteaya | asselin_: thanks, add something and then ask at infra meeting to see if any details need to be updated | 15:09 |
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| anteaya | you have the date at least | 15:09 |
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| anteaya | smcginnis: so it would be helping out doing reviews | 15:09 |
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| anteaya | smcginnis: have you split out a puppet module? | 15:09 |
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| asselin_ | yes, the hard part is done :) | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | anteaya: Definitely can help with reviews. I've worked with puppet modules a small amount. | 15:10 |
| anteaya | asselin_: :D | 15:10 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: great, perhaps you can help review asselin_'s patches in the next week | 15:10 |
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| asselin_ | smcginnis, tell me more about your openstack background. | 15:11 |
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| smcginnis | I'll do what I can. | 15:11 |
| asselin_ | You're in cinder, which driver? | 15:11 |
| anteaya | a large patch was recently merged, congratulations asselin_, to reduce the size of the patches to project-config | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | asselin_: I work for Dell. My team just implememnted the Dell Storage Center (Compellent) cinder driver. | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | asselin_: I set up the CI for the EqualLogic driver. | 15:11 |
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| smcginnis | asselin_: Adding Storage Center support now. | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | Got involved during Icehouse. | 15:12 |
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| asselin_ | nice | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | It's been good so far. :) | 15:13 |
| asselin_ | you have the ci posting results now? | 15:13 |
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| smcginnis | asselin_: Yep. Well, just on success so far. | 15:14 |
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| asselin_ | ok :) | 15:14 |
| smcginnis | There are still some issues with failure that I want to understand better before I start putting that out there. | 15:14 |
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| anteaya | smcginnis: did you want to explain what you are seeing? | 15:14 |
| asselin_ | which ci solution are you using? | 15:14 |
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| anteaya | asselin_ is pretty good at solving issues | 15:15 |
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| smcginnis | anteaya: I need to dig in and work with our EQL driver developers. They might have a fix in the works if it actually is that driver. | 15:15 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: fair enough | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | asselin_: I started with Jay Pipe's stuff. In fact, I think you helped me a little. | 15:15 |
| asselin_ | ok thanks for the reminder :) | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | asselin_: But then I ended up following on Duncan and JohnG's simpler approach. | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | https://github.com/stmcginnis/openstack-ci | 15:16 |
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| smcginnis | It at least helped me understand everything a little better. | 15:16 |
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| smcginnis | But if we get a common, in tree Jenkins based solution I will switch it over to that when it's ready. | 15:16 |
| asselin_ | ok nice | 15:16 |
| asselin_ | yea, I put a spec for that. Still thinking about the best approach. Comments would be appreciated | 15:17 |
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| asselin_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139745/ | 15:18 |
| asselin_ | ok I see you as a reviewer | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | asselin_: I had given a +1 on the first patch. I'll take another look and see if there's anything to add. | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | asselin_: It looked pretty good to me though. | 15:18 |
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| asselin_ | I think everyone agrees with the idea. But what the final solution should look like and how to get there requires more thought. | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | asselin_: That's always the tricky part. :) | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | asselin_: how close do you feel you are to a way forward? | 15:20 |
| asselin_ | there are some comments here that can help. | 15:21 |
| asselin_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138913/ | 15:21 |
| asselin_ | anteaya, not close enough | 15:21 |
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| asselin_ | anteaya, it would be great to have a discussion on the approach. I haven't heard enough of other ppl's ideas | 15:21 |
| anteaya | any points of contention? | 15:21 |
| anteaya | sorry I haven't read it through | 15:22 |
| anteaya | asselin_: give me the tl'dr | 15:22 |
| asselin_ | what's tl'dr ? | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | Too Long, Didn't Read. "Executive Summary" :) | 15:23 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: thanks | 15:23 |
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| anteaya | asselin_: sorry about that | 15:24 |
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| asselin_ | give me a sec to remember. it's early monday morning pre-coffee for me :) | 15:24 |
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| asselin_ | ok, so currently there are puppet classes in system-config/modules that are being split out into puppet-module. | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | Gotta drop off. I'll watch for patches to review. Feel free to ping me on #openstack-cinder if there's anything I can do to help with anything. | 15:26 |
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| anteaya | smcginnis: thanks, see you around | 15:26 |
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| asselin_ | system-config/openstack-project has additional puppet scripts that configures -infra's ci solution (and more) | 15:26 |
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| asselin_ | there are lots of portions in system-config/openstack-project that are also needed by 3rd party, but difficult to reuse | 15:27 |
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| anteaya | true | 15:27 |
| asselin_ | so what the best way to reuse them? and where should the resuable pieces go? | 15:27 |
| asselin_ | should they go to the new puppet-`module` repo? | 15:28 |
| anteaya | good question | 15:28 |
| asselin_ | or a new e.g. 'openstack-shared' module? | 15:28 |
| asselin_ | or stay where they are as a reusable class? | 15:28 |
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| anteaya | what would the differences be? | 15:28 |
| anteaya | between the choices? | 15:28 |
| asselin_ | it's a question of design | 15:29 |
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| anteaya | what are the ramifications of the different design choices? | 15:29 |
| asselin_ | so does it make sense to put 'openstack' specific parts in the puppet-'module' repos? | 15:29 |
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| asselin_ | or are those supposed to be more generic | 15:29 |
| asselin_ | if they're supposed to be generic, then we can eliminate that choice, otherwise, it's probably the best place. | 15:30 |
| anteaya | well based on what I am hearing you say, part of this is to make it so openstack too consumes this structure | 15:30 |
| asselin_ | yes, absolutely | 15:30 |
| anteaya | in which case openstack is simply another consumer of the material | 15:30 |
| asselin_ | yes | 15:30 |
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| anteaya | so what are you feeling are the openstack specific parts? | 15:30 |
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| asselin_ | that's the goal, have openstack & 3rd party consume the same stuff | 15:31 |
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| anteaya | great | 15:31 |
| anteaya | makes a lot of sense | 15:31 |
| asselin_ | the openstack specific parts will also be the 3rd party specific stuff | 15:32 |
| anteaya | can you give me a concrete example? | 15:32 |
| asselin_ | which is basically the configuration | 15:32 |
| anteaya | so I know we are thinking of the same thing | 15:32 |
| asselin_ | for example, the log server split I did | 15:32 |
| anteaya | ah configuration | 15:32 |
| anteaya | right | 15:32 |
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| asselin_ | ok...that's not the best example | 15:33 |
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| asselin_ | a lot of the openstack configuration also include ip table & core ssh key setup | 15:33 |
| anteaya | right | 15:34 |
| asselin_ | I think those parts should be separated | 15:34 |
| anteaya | okay | 15:34 |
| asselin_ | because those are deployment specific. | 15:34 |
| anteaya | third party will need those parts too, will they not? | 15:34 |
| anteaya | ah so deployment specific material | 15:34 |
| anteaya | now I am understanding better | 15:34 |
| asselin_ | right, b/c 3rd party ci would like to install everything on a single machine | 15:35 |
| asselin_ | b/c the scale is much smaller than -infra | 15:35 |
| anteaya | well ideally deployment specific should be configuration files, should they not? | 15:35 |
| anteaya | asselin_: yes, one would hope a smaller scale :D | 15:35 |
| anteaya | have you seen examples of deployment specific code that is not currently in a configuration file? | 15:36 |
| asselin_ | yes, perhaps via configuration. not sure how that would work right now | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | perhaps you could add an agenda item to tomorrow's infra meeting? | 15:38 |
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| asselin_ | I can | 15:38 |
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| anteaya | identify files that have configuation that is not yet in a separate configuration file | 15:38 |
| anteaya | ask for some direction and explain this needs to be address for work on the in-tree CI spec to proceed | 15:39 |
| anteaya | does that sound fair? | 15:39 |
| asselin_ | ok I will investigate that today | 15:40 |
| anteaya | awesome | 15:40 |
| anteaya | since based upon what I am hearing you say, this appears to be a blocker | 15:40 |
| asselin_ | well that + where to put the new files | 15:40 |
| asselin_ | e.g. log server | 15:40 |
| anteaya | and in order to get passed it you need to hear from infra | 15:40 |
| anteaya | right okay | 15:40 |
| anteaya | well you could just randomly pick places until you get consensous | 15:41 |
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| asselin_ | lol :) | 15:41 |
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| anteaya | or you could ask and either we get consenseus in infra or jim makes a decision | 15:41 |
| anteaya | either approach, depending on how much energy you have | 15:41 |
| asselin_ | I was trying to get that in the spec | 15:41 |
| anteaya | me? I'd just ask | 15:41 |
| anteaya | fair enough | 15:42 |
| anteaya | so far I haven't seen an infra core review it yet | 15:42 |
| anteaya | might be nice perhaps to start by requesting a place in core's review queues | 15:42 |
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| asselin_ | no, that's what I like first | 15:42 |
| anteaya | and specifically point out where you need direction/feedback | 15:43 |
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| anteaya | yup, a good place to begin | 15:43 |
| asselin_ | ok, so ask in -infra or the meeting? | 15:43 |
| anteaya | well you can see how busy things are today | 15:43 |
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| anteaya | if you can get some interaction by asking, by all means, go for it | 15:43 |
| asselin_ | ok | 15:43 |
| anteaya | if folks are busy and you don't get a response, to the meeting | 15:44 |
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| anteaya | many times meetings are items we just have been too busy to respond to in channel | 15:44 |
| asselin_ | sounds good. | 15:44 |
| anteaya | great | 15:44 |
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| anteaya | wonderful work here | 15:44 |
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| anteaya | you are showing good followup, that is the most important thing | 15:45 |
| anteaya | good ideas are good | 15:45 |
| anteaya | relentless followup is better | 15:45 |
| anteaya | asselin_: what else shall we discuss? | 15:45 |
| anteaya | you are driving a lot of work right now | 15:46 |
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| asselin_ | well really joined to help answer other's questions | 15:46 |
| anteaya | wonderful, I am glad you did | 15:46 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:46 |
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| anteaya | we seem light on questions today | 15:46 |
| asselin_ | yes | 15:47 |
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| anteaya | everyday is different | 15:47 |
| anteaya | are you coffeed yet? | 15:47 |
| asselin_ | no, after the meeting | 15:48 |
| anteaya | ah cool | 15:48 |
| anteaya | well we have 12 mintues remaining | 15:48 |
| anteaya | what would you like to do? | 15:48 |
| anteaya | I can end the meeting now and you can get coffee if you like? | 15:48 |
| anteaya | I will be heading back to bed myself | 15:49 |
| asselin_ | no objections :) | 15:49 |
| anteaya | very good | 15:49 |
| anteaya | thanks for a great meeting today | 15:49 |
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| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:49 |
| asselin_ | thanks anteaya | 15:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 12 15:49:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-01-12-15.00.html | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-01-12-15.00.txt | 15:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-01-12-15.00.log.html | 15:49 |
| anteaya | asselin_: happy coffee :D | 15:49 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 12 17:02:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:02 |
| dguitarbite | hello | 17:02 |
| sarob | ello people | 17:02 |
| sayali | hey | 17:02 |
| timfreund | hello | 17:02 |
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| sarob | i have an outstanding task from last meeting | 17:03 |
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| sarob | to propose adopting nova core reviewer standards on the ML | 17:03 |
| sarob | other than that is review the status of specs | 17:03 |
| sarob | we have a few new and one blocker | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | hey | 17:04 |
| sarob | when matjazp and rluethi join we can vote on adopting the core reviewer | 17:04 |
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| sarob | matjazp hey | 17:05 |
| * rluethi is here | 17:05 | |
| sarob | cool | 17:05 |
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| sarob | #topic adopting nova core reviewer standards | 17:05 |
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| matjazp | isn't that more the process of electing new cores? | 17:05 |
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| sarob | everyone familar? | 17:06 |
| rluethi | what matjazp said | 17:06 |
| sarob | rluethi hey back at you | 17:06 |
| sarob | opps | 17:06 |
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| sarob | matjazp yes | 17:06 |
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| rluethi | so what will change for us, and what is that standard good for? | 17:07 |
| sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/CoreTeam | 17:08 |
| matjazp | for the *process*, I believe we have an agreement among us | 17:08 |
| sarob | rluethi: means that anyone can be proposed as a new core on the ML | 17:08 |
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| sarob | from the nova wiki | 17:09 |
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| rluethi | sarob: how is this different? that is already the case. | 17:09 |
| sarob | A new member may be proposed on the openstack-dev list at any time. A proposal can come from anyone, but typically comes from the project's PTL or an existing member of the core team. Once a proposal has been made, five existing members of the core team must respond with a +1. If any existing member of the team objects, they may respond to the proposal with a -1 to veto the nomination. | 17:09 |
| sarob | A member of the team may be removed at any time by the PTL. This is typically due to a drop off of involvement by the member such that they are no longer meeting expectations to maintain team membership. | 17:09 |
| sarob | i think informally we were doing this | 17:10 |
| rluethi | not necessarily my preferred method with such a small team (I think the nova method makes more sense for a much larger team). | 17:10 |
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| matjazp | sarob: yes, we just make it official and thats it | 17:11 |
| sarob | so its either the existing cores propose or anyone can request | 17:11 |
| rluethi | I'm not a big fan of introducing formal rules unless they are necessary, but if it makes you guys happy I won't stand in the way of progress. | 17:11 |
| sarob | being core can become a big deal for some, for others no big deal | 17:12 |
| sarob | rather than waiting until it becomes a big deal | 17:12 |
| sarob | and since it was brought up last month | 17:12 |
| sarob | im following up here | 17:12 |
| sayali | there will be no harm to formalize the process either way | 17:13 |
| sayali | so everyone is aware of what is required to get there | 17:13 |
| sarob | i dont have strong opinion on open nomination or core's nomination | 17:13 |
| sarob | sayali: my thought as well | 17:14 |
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| sarob | so lets get some feedback on: open nomination or core's nomination | 17:14 |
| sayali | though we might need to have to lower the bar on the number of +1 required since we are a small team | 17:14 |
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| sarob | sayali, right | 17:15 |
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| sarob | any comments on either cores nominate new cores | 17:17 |
| sarob | or anyone can nominate new cores? | 17:17 |
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| matjazp | lest just use the text from nova: anyone, but usually its a core that starts a nomination | 17:18 |
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| matjazp | its is not so important, as you need to have +1s from cores anyway | 17:19 |
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| sarob | anyone else? | 17:20 |
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| rluethi | I would like people to try and find informal ways to find out whether a candidacy has chances. | 17:20 |
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| sarob | id change the five cores to approve to all cores with any one core having a veto option | 17:20 |
| sarob | rluethi like? | 17:21 |
| dguitarbite | I agree with you sarob | 17:21 |
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| rluethi | sarob: talk to core reviewers in private, for instance. | 17:21 |
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| rluethi | mind you, I don't want this understood as another requirement for candidates. I just want to spare them the anxiety of a public vote (especially when it turns out negative). | 17:24 |
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| sarob | rluethi, understood | 17:24 |
| sayali | I agree with rluethi | 17:25 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite, matjazp: what do you think of rluethi's point? | 17:27 |
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| sarob | since the team is still small, we can manage the nomination of a new core very quickly without embarrassing anyone | 17:28 |
| matjazp | sure, I'm all for it | 17:28 |
| sarob | i think once we become a larger team, like 20 active contributors, then the nova core process makes sense | 17:29 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: it depends on the size of the team | 17:30 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: more specific please | 17:31 |
| matjazp | sarob: in small team, "all cores" requirement is ok, but later, with bigger core team, we should define a smaller number of +1's | 17:31 |
| sarob | matjazp: agreed | 17:31 |
| sarob | im thinking i post to the wiki | 17:32 |
| rluethi | sorry guys, gotta run. If you are going to have a vote on such a formal method, whatever it may be, you can record an "abstain" for me :-). | 17:32 |
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| sarob | rluethi sure we can wait | 17:32 |
| matjazp | sarob: so if we define 5 +1s now, we have basically "all cores" requirement and later we don't need to change rules | 17:33 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: it actally depends if we need strict policies or rules. It may come in our way | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | as our team is fairly small | 17:35 |
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| dguitarbite | that is what I meant, although it makes sense to adopt Nova's policies, Roger has a stronger point here | 17:35 |
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| sarob | while the team is under 20 active contributors in the last 30 days, new core nominations will be from the existing cores. all existing cores must agree to accept the new core. after the team passes the 20 active contributors for the last 30 days, then we adopt the nova core contributor process | 17:35 |
| matjazp | sarob: to complex | 17:36 |
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| matjazp | sarob: theres no need for such a formal definition | 17:36 |
| sarob | matjazp okay just the first part then without the 20 stuff | 17:36 |
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| sarob | new core nominations will be from the existing cores. all existing cores must agree to accept the new core. | 17:37 |
| sarob | pretty simple | 17:37 |
| sarob | same for removing an existing core | 17:37 |
| matjazp | sarob: nova's formulation is also very simple. 5 +1s, no veto | 17:37 |
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| sarob | matjazp: any core can veto from my read | 17:38 |
| sarob | matjazp for nova core process | 17:38 |
| matjazp | that's the same as you are proposing? | 17:39 |
| sarob | nope, sorry | 17:39 |
| matjazp | "all existing cores must agree to accept the new core." | 17:39 |
| sarob | right | 17:39 |
| sarob | this is my proposal for accepting new cores | 17:39 |
| sarob | new core nominations will be from the existing cores. all existing cores must agree to accept the new core. To remove an existing core, all existing cores must agree. | 17:40 |
| sarob | easy peazy | 17:40 |
| matjazp | yes, currently its the same also: there are 5 active cores + collin | 17:40 |
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| matjazp | sarob: when we grow, "all" core will be a tough restriction | 17:41 |
| sarob | matjazp: true, but I think we will need more like nova process then anyway | 17:41 |
| sarob | can we table this until next week so we can discussing branching for a few | 17:42 |
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| matjazp | sarob: sure | 17:42 |
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| sayali | yep | 17:43 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I agree with you | 17:43 |
| sarob | #action saob bring add/remove core process at next meeting | 17:43 |
| dguitarbite | it should work till we have more core's in the team | 17:43 |
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| sarob | #topic branching | 17:43 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite: status on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141369/ | 17:43 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite: how goes it? | 17:44 |
| dguitarbite | andreas is back, met him today | 17:44 |
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| sarob | sweeeet | 17:44 |
| dguitarbite | but it may take till the end of January | 17:44 |
| dguitarbite | we have openstack meetup which I am organizing with him | 17:44 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: ugh | 17:44 |
| dguitarbite | so the branching will take time, unfortunatly | 17:44 |
| dguitarbite | but I cannot do much here, my hands are tied | 17:45 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: the meetup part is good | 17:45 |
| dguitarbite | end of January is the worst case | 17:45 |
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| dguitarbite | and yes, I am giving a talk in the meetup on openstack training. | 17:45 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite: we will need to branch juno pretty soon after icehouse | 17:45 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite: once the slides are all pushed and osbash switch updated | 17:46 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite: is this just branching startup costs | 17:46 |
| dguitarbite | yes, I agree | 17:46 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: or going to be difficult for each time we branch | 17:46 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: this is the first itme | 17:46 |
| dguitarbite | *time | 17:46 |
| dguitarbite | so its a bit icky | 17:46 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: okey dokey | 17:46 |
| dguitarbite | next time, I will push the spec really early | 17:47 |
| sarob | icky is slow | 17:47 |
| dguitarbite | so that we do not repeat the history | 17:47 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: winter break did not help either | 17:47 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: so can you work out the juno branch at the same time | 17:48 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: yes | 17:48 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite: maybe annegentle wants another bp for the juno branch? | 17:48 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: it will be easier, this blueprint charts the plan for getting in sync with Kilo | 17:48 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: id like to publish kilo with the release cycle | 17:48 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: kilo oh | 17:49 |
| * sarob rereading | 17:49 | |
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| dguitarbite | yes, thats the end goal | 17:49 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: hmm, okay | 17:49 |
| sarob | let move on then | 17:50 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: this is pretty slow process.. maybe we should just skip juno and go for kilo instead | 17:50 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: yes, but we agreed on this | 17:50 |
| dguitarbite | it is a bit of rough ride for now | 17:50 |
| dguitarbite | I'm sure it will get much better for the next release | 17:51 |
| matjazp | what I7m afraid is that we will never really catch up | 17:51 |
| sarob | dguitarbite, matjazp: unless real problem, id rather not have release gap | 17:51 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite: if we cannot get juno branch cut by mid feb then lets revisit | 17:53 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: let me speed up the process a bit and tell you by next meeting | 17:53 |
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| dguitarbite | if its possible to branch juno by mid Feb | 17:53 |
| dguitarbite | and I think this should be a team decision too | 17:53 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite: thanks, if not then perhaps we should be cutting juno now instead of icehouse | 17:54 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: would be alot less confusing | 17:54 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: with update to osbash | 17:54 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: yes | 17:55 |
| sarob | #topic any other specs need discussing | 17:55 |
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| matjazp | sarob: yes, that could be better solution.. dguitarbite: is it possible to update osbash? | 17:55 |
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| sayali | I need inputs on the next video that is coming up | 17:55 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: I think roger needs to answer this | 17:55 |
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| matjazp | dguitarbite: ok | 17:56 |
| sayali | I have written the script down towards to end on the etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstck-training-guides%28Audio_Visual_Content%29 | 17:56 |
| sarob | could start pushing the video script as a patch? | 17:57 |
| sarob | sayali: then as the video gets developed, you can push the youtube link? | 17:58 |
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| dguitarbite | time check 2 minutes! | 17:58 |
| sayali | umm I don't think that would be necessary sarob for review atleast | 17:58 |
| sarob | sayali: that way others can review the video script and give feedback | 17:59 |
| sayali | Also reviewing videos and changing them is a big hassel | 17:59 |
| matjazp | sayali: script can be also less detailed.. just write "bullet" points | 17:59 |
| sarob | sayali: etherpad is okay, gerrit is better | 17:59 |
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| sarob | times up | 17:59 |
| sarob | ill limit the admin stuff to 15 min next time | 17:59 |
| sayali | ok cool | 17:59 |
| sarob | keep discussing on docs channel | 18:00 |
| sarob | cheers | 18:00 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 12 18:00:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-01-12-17.02.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-01-12-17.02.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-01-12-17.02.log.html | 18:00 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 20:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 12 20:06:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:06 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 20:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 20:06 |
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| sdake | hey folks - sorry I'm late to start the meeting | 20:06 |
| rhallisey | hi | 20:06 |
| sdake | hopefully the 5 minute rule wasn't in effect :) | 20:06 |
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| sdake | anyone else about? | 20:06 |
| sdake | well rhallisey since its just you and me, I'm likely to just call the meeting cancelled here | 20:07 |
| sdake | unless there is something you wish to discuss? | 20:07 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 20:07 |
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| sdake | anything rhallisey? | 20:08 |
| rhallisey | nothing really | 20:08 |
| sdake | ok i'll end the meeting | 20:08 |
| sdake | apologies for the latness, hopefully that won't happen again | 20:09 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 20:09 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 12 20:09:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:09 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-01-12-20.06.html | 20:09 |
| sdake | enjoy :) | 20:09 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-01-12-20.06.txt | 20:09 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-01-12-20.06.log.html | 20:09 |
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