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| eglynn_ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 27 15:00:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
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| eglynn_ | Happy Thanksgiving y'all :) | 15:00 |
| eglynn_ | who's all here for the ceilo meeting? | 15:00 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:00 |
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| ityaptin | o/ | 15:01 |
| _elena_ | o/ | 15:01 |
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| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:01 |
| vrovachev | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglynn_ | #topic "Kilo-1 blueprints" | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ""Kilo-1 blueprints" (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:02 | |
| eglynn_ | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/kilo-1 | 15:02 |
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| sileht | o/ | 15:02 |
| gordc | o/ | 15:02 |
| eglynn_ | a "blocked" blueprint is one for which the corresponding specs review hasn't yet landed | 15:02 |
| Guest48080 | o/ | 15:02 |
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| eglynn_ | but we expect it to do so, and the implementation work is progressing in parallel | 15:03 |
| eglynn_ | does anyone have any other BPs other than the 10 listed in https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/kilo-1 that they hope to get for k1? | 15:03 |
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| eglynn_ | gordc: e.g. are you thinking about k1 for the notification agent co-ordination stuff? | 15:04 |
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| gordc | eglynn_: working on it now... i think i might need sileht's listener-pool patch but i'm not exactly sure yet | 15:04 |
| gordc | figuring stuff as i go along... | 15:05 |
| eglynn_ | gordc: cool enough, thanks! | 15:05 |
| eglynn_ | kilo-1 is Dec 18 BTW | 15:05 |
| gordc | i'm going to say maybe | 15:05 |
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| eglynn_ | gordc: coolness, we can add it to kilo-2 say for now and then bump forward to kilo-1 if all goes well? | 15:06 |
| gordc | sure. | 15:07 |
| eglynn_ | cool | 15:07 |
| gordc | sorry. in between meetings. :| | 15:07 |
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| eglynn_ | np! | 15:07 |
| eglynn_ | anything else on kilo-1? | 15:07 |
| gordc | nothing for me. i have elasticsearch patch but i don't know how to test it currently. | 15:08 |
| eglynn_ | gordc: elastisearch also possibly in play for k1, or more likely k2/3? | 15:08 |
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| gordc | probably same boat as notification... maybe k-1 probably k-2 | 15:09 |
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| eglynn_ | cool | 15:09 |
| eglynn_ | #topic first stable/juno release | 15:09 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "first stable/juno release (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:09 | |
| eglynn_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranchRelease#Planned_stable.2Fjuno_releases | 15:09 |
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| eglynn_ | this was planned for today, but pushed back to Dec 4th | 15:09 |
| DinaBelova | o/ sorry for the delay, folks :) | 15:09 |
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| eglynn_ | I've started doing backport for likely looking bugs | 15:10 |
| eglynn_ | *backports | 15:10 |
| eglynn_ | but if you've a particualr bugfix you've landed for k1 that you think is a good backport candidate | 15:10 |
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| eglynn_ | please tag with "juno-backport-potential" | 15:11 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn_, ok, thanks | 15:11 |
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| eglynn_ | #topic "TSDaaS/gnocchi status" | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ""TSDaaS/gnocchi status" (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:11 | |
| eglynn_ | jd__: anything you want to bring to the table on gnocchi? | 15:11 |
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| eglynn_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/gnocchi,n,z | 15:12 |
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| eglynn_ | progress on refining the RBAC policies | 15:12 |
| eglynn_ | also a nice patch exposing the back_window in the API | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn_, after I'll fix the merge agents chain, I'll start working og opentsdb driver | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | and new stackforge repo with co-processor deletion thing for it :) | 15:14 |
| DinaBelova | I hope to start tomorrow | 15:14 |
| eglynn_ | DinaBelova: cool :) | 15:14 |
| eglynn_ | DinaBelova: BTW I heard yahoo were evaluating opentsdb for their own internal metrics storage (... just a datapoint showing wide adoption) | 15:14 |
| DinaBelova | hehe, nice :) | 15:14 |
| eglynn_ | DinaBelova: co-processor deletion == retention logic ? | 15:15 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn_, yes | 15:15 |
| eglynn_ | cool | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | as said, it'll be some java code | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | but in the separated repo | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | not to mess everyone | 15:15 |
| _nadya_ | DinaBelova: what about testing? any ideas :)? | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | _nadya_, well :) | 15:16 |
| eglynn_ | DinaBelova: could this be something that might be contrib'd back to the OpenTSDB folks? | 15:16 |
| sileht | what about landing the dispatcher :p ? | 15:16 |
| eglynn_ | DinaBelova: ... as opposed to maintaining a separate repo | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | _nadya_, currently I wonder how to make integraiton tetsts possible | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | if it's possible at all for out OpenStack gate | 15:16 |
| jd__ | o/ | 15:16 |
| jd__ | yeah I think you have a good summary eglynn_ | 15:17 |
| jd__ | thanks | 15:17 |
| eglynn_ | jd__: np :) | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn_, probably that'll be the solution :) | 15:17 |
| _nadya_ | DinaBelova: TBH, I think it's impossible...We need at least HBase in devstack | 15:17 |
| eglynn_ | sileht: good point, I was blocked on the glance not setting the user_id on samples | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | let's see if that'll be possible as a part of their retention param impl | 15:17 |
| eglynn_ | sileht: I need to give that dispatcher patch another run-through | 15:17 |
| sileht | eglynn_, I have removed that check | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | _nadya_, yeah, I suppose so | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | although | 15:17 |
| eglynn_ | sileht: coolness, I'd imagine good to fly in that case | 15:17 |
| eglynn_ | sileht: will look again after this meeting | 15:18 |
| DinaBelova | _nadya_, I still hope to see Hbase devstack change being merged | 15:18 |
| sileht | eglynn_, and then we can fix thegnocchi DB schema when we land the first glance resource into gnocchi | 15:18 |
| eglynn_ | sileht: cool, that sounds reasonable | 15:19 |
| jd__ | since we have created_by_* now I'm less reluctant to allow null project_id/user_id | 15:19 |
| eglynn_ | jd__: yeah, good point | 15:19 |
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| llu-laptop | jd__: but we do have existing metrics with null project_id/user_id, how to handle them? | 15:20 |
| jd__ | I think that replies to your question llu-laptop, no? | 15:21 |
| llu-laptop | we have snmp/ipmi and alos metrics from SDN like opendaylight & opencontrail | 15:22 |
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| sileht | jd__, Should I accept null project_id too in the dispatcher ? | 15:22 |
| ityaptin | DinaBelova: Also co-processor may be useful approach for Ceilometer HBase storage time-to-live. | 15:22 |
| jd__ | sileht: if we change the schema accordingly yeah | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | ityaptin, yes, fpr sure | 15:22 |
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| eglynn_ | so the idea would be that the created_by_* gives a fallback on which to evaluate RBAC rules if the primary project *or* user ID is null, amiright? | 15:23 |
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| eglynn_ | jd__: I'm resurrecting the Influx driver, was planning to start with a ceilo-specs proposal | 15:25 |
| eglynn_ | jd__: ... which brings up the question of whether the specs "process" applies in gnocchi-land? | 15:25 |
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| jd__ | eglynn_: maybe, but for now I'd say, don't lose time with that? | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn_, I've got the same question day ago from nellysmitt | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:25 |
| llu-laptop | sorry, maybe i'm out of context here. I think we are talking about the dispatcher to handle null project/uer_id, like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98798/66/gnocchi/ceilometer/dispatcher.py#Ln94 | 15:25 |
| jd__ | like, what interesting could we discuss on an Influx spec? | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | she was wondering where to start her relationship with gnocchi | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | bugs/blueprints | 15:26 |
| DinaBelova | some one place to work in | 15:26 |
| DinaBelova | so in future probably it'll be useful | 15:26 |
| eglynn_ | jd__: fair point :) ... I was thinking of using a spec to get all my ideas straight on mapping gnocchi semantics to influx features | 15:26 |
| jd__ | I've always have a todo list | 15:26 |
| jd__ | DinaBelova: just send her on IRC and talk to me? :O | 15:27 |
| jd__ | :) | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, it was late :) | 15:27 |
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| DinaBelova | but anyway, I said her it's A GOOD IDEA :) | 15:27 |
| jd__ | eglynn_: well if you think you need to write something, yeah why not, I guess it depends on how you work and your degree of confidence | 15:27 |
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| DinaBelova | sorry for caps | 15:27 |
| jd__ | eglynn_: I just don't thinks it's a requirement for now… I prefer to see people spending time writing code rather than specs :) | 15:27 |
| jd__ | DinaBelova: ack :) | 15:28 |
| eglynn_ | jd__: yeah, understood | 15:28 |
| eglynn_ | llu-laptop: yes, sileht said he has, or is going to, relax that requirement to have (s['project_id'] and s['user_id']) | 15:28 |
| eglynn_ | llu-laptop: see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98798/66..67/gnocchi/ceilometer/dispatcher.py | 15:29 |
| eglynn_ | llu-laptop: now only the project_id must be set | 15:30 |
| eglynn_ | move on? | 15:31 |
| eglynn_ | #topic "Too many identical nova notifications" | 15:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ""Too many identical nova notifications" (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:31 | |
| eglynn_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1396257 | 15:31 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1396257 in ceilometer "Redundant 'instance' samples from nova notifications" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:31 |
| ityaptin | Hi! | 15:31 |
| ityaptin | At last 2 weeks many people complained about the fact that the "instance" statistics shows unexpected patterns. | 15:31 |
| ityaptin | Now we collect all nova notification with event_type "compute.instance.*" as "instance" sample. This behavior generate too unexpected samples which terrifyingly affect 'instance' statistics. | 15:32 |
| eglynn_ | so is the key point that we're now triggering of *both* the start & end events? | 15:32 |
| ityaptin | During next workflow: create instance, suspend, add floating ip, terminate instance, nova send 28 notifications. | 15:32 |
| ityaptin | We collect all! | 15:32 |
| ityaptin | There is 16 compute.instance.update messages with minor tasks which are not important for metering, how i think. | 15:32 |
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| ityaptin | I prepared paste with some data from these messages | 15:32 |
| eglynn_ | jd__: do you remember the motivation for including both start and end events here? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38485/7/ceilometer/compute/notifications.py | 15:32 |
| ityaptin | http://paste.openstack.org/show/139591/ | 15:33 |
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| ityaptin | I transformed message dictionary to set of tuples (key, value) and printed difference between current message and union of all previous at every step. Of course, I didn't print unique unnessesary fields like timestamp, message_id and payload.audit_period_ending. | 15:33 |
| jd__ | eglynn_: more data points | 15:33 |
| eglynn_ | jd__: but not any extra value, if start&end always come together? | 15:34 |
| eglynn_ | jd__: was the idea to allow "bracketing" as stacktach does? | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn_, problem is not only in start-end | 15:34 |
| jd__ | eglynn_: they are close but not together | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | but about update hotifications | 15:34 |
| eglynn_ | jd__: e.g. to bound the time taken to spin up the instance | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | that are almost identical in fact | 15:35 |
| jd__ | eglynn_: the idea is to have as many data point as we can, not trying to do anything fancy | 15:35 |
| gordc | regardless if you specify .end or .start, we'll get the notifications in events. | 15:35 |
| jd__ | eglynn_: that'd be more a job for the event-API part I'd say | 15:35 |
| gordc | events. takes every single notifcation we get... from the info priority. | 15:35 |
| eglynn_ | DinaBelova: yeah, but we changed the policy for start|end (previously we just triggered compute.instance.create.start and compute.instance.delete.end) | 15:36 |
| eglynn_ | sorry the opposite! | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn_, a-ha, I did not know this | 15:36 |
| eglynn_ | compute.instance.create.end and compute.instance.delete.start | 15:36 |
| eglynn_ | so the idea was not to bill for time when the instance is being deleted, or before it's fully usable | 15:36 |
| jd__ | yeah and then people started to think the duration of sampling was the duration of the instance uptime | 15:37 |
| jd__ | I changed that so it confuses more people and they stop doing that | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn_, I am basically not agains start/end for creation and deletion, or any other prcess like htis | 15:37 |
| jd__ | 😈 | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | I'm kind of crazy with updates of different tasks from nova | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | and they are almost meaningless... | 15:37 |
| eglynn_ | ityaptin: so the other question is the tightly bunched compute.instance.update notifications | 15:38 |
| DinaBelova | because if creation/deletion was ok, we'll see *.end | 15:38 |
| eglynn_ | DinaBelova: I dunno if it's possible to distinguish between a single isolated update event, and a tight sequence of them that's part of the same workflow | 15:38 |
| ityaptin | I think we don't need update notifications | 15:38 |
| gordc | maybe add a filter to ignore samples with same key value within short time?... too hacky? | 15:39 |
| ityaptin | It's minor updates which are not important for us | 15:39 |
| eglynn_ | ityaptin: what about the changes in resource metadata | 15:39 |
| eglynn_ | gordc: yeah, sounds a bit fragile | 15:39 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, kind of it... we have no guarantees for some timeout wo squash all of them | 15:39 |
| llu-laptop | gordc: sounds risky | 15:39 |
| gordc | sounds so risky it might work? :) j/k | 15:40 |
| gordc | it's either that or maybe services are flooding 'info' priority as we do with logging | 15:40 |
| llu-laptop | what about one notification hits one agent, and another lands in another agent? | 15:40 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, lol | 15:41 |
| ityaptin | eglynn: we collect metadata from instance.create.*, instance.terminate.* and smth else. | 15:41 |
| llu-laptop | in that case, the timeout doesn't work too | 15:41 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: my coordination will fix that... assuming it works.lol | 15:41 |
| eglynn_ | gordc: this discussion feeds into your bug about completely dropping "existence" samples | 15:41 |
| eglynn_ | ityaptin: I'm thinking about "isolated" compute.instance.update notifications | 15:42 |
| gordc | eglynn_: yeah i was going to bring that up too... | 15:42 |
| eglynn_ | ityaptin: (i.e. after the instance is spun up, when some attribute is updated subsequently) | 15:42 |
| gordc | eglynn_: i assume these volume=1 metrics make no sense in gnocchi? | 15:42 |
| llu-laptop | gordc: agreed, that seems the right path | 15:42 |
| ityaptin | eglynn: yep, I think about it too. | 15:42 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: dropping 'existense' meters? | 15:43 |
| llu-laptop | gordc: yes | 15:43 |
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| eglynn_ | gordc: good point, certainly pre-aggregating a sequence of 1s is kinda wasted effort | 15:43 |
| eglynn_ | jd__: ^^^ amiright? | 15:43 |
| gordc | :) cool cool. | 15:43 |
| * jd__ reads backlog | 15:44 | |
| gordc | yeah, i think we just need a migration plan... and have ability to alarm in events (not sure that's critical) | 15:44 |
| llu-laptop | gordc: but that would cause the user to use a different set API to retrieve those events instead of metering? | 15:44 |
| jd__ | volume=1 metrics make no sense in gnocchi | 15:44 |
| jd__ | in Ceilometer it's just used to track existence of a resource | 15:45 |
| jd__ | that's what the Gnocchi indexer of resources is for | 15:45 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: yeah... or do we want the api to convert events into samples? back to same issue of too many hits then. | 15:45 |
| jd__ | and is much more efficient… | 15:45 |
| eglynn_ | jd__: so would we need a deleted_at attribute on the gnocchi generic resource to capture the end of its lifespan? | 15:46 |
| eglynn_ | jd__: ... i.e. how to capture the end of the sequence of 1s for a particular resource | 15:46 |
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| gordc | eglynn_: or you can look at events. | 15:46 |
| jd__ | eglynn_: there are started_at, ended_at, if that's not enough we can add more fields | 15:47 |
| jd__ | or you can look at gordc answer | 15:47 |
| jd__ | ;) | 15:47 |
| gordc | eglynn_: i'll switch my bug to a bp and we can discuss deprecating meters on the side. | 15:48 |
| eglynn_ | jd__: a-ha, k ... forgot about those resource fields | 15:48 |
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| eglynn_ | jd__: ... do we currently set that in the ceilo dispatcher? | 15:49 |
| eglynn_ | jd__: ... or is the assumption that we'll special case the *.delete.start notification handling? | 15:49 |
| eglynn_ | gordc: cool, sounds like we need more discussion/thought on this one | 15:49 |
| jd__ | I think we update them in the dispatcher | 15:49 |
| jd__ | but the best thing to do will be to use the events later yeah | 15:49 |
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| eglynn_ | so doing it in the dispatcher would require checking the event_type in the sample? | 15:52 |
| eglynn_ | i.e. checking if the sample was generated from a resource deletion notification | 15:54 |
| eglynn_ | sounds a bit unreliable if we don't get those notifications for all resources | 15:55 |
| eglynn_ | ... or if the deletion events don't follow a predictable naming pattern | 15:55 |
| eglynn_ | anyhoo, not going to solve it here | 15:55 |
| jd__ | that's a good reason to have schema :) | 15:55 |
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| eglynn_ | yeah | 15:55 |
| eglynn_ | #topic "Reminder on dates/location for mid-cycle" | 15:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ""Reminder on dates/location for mid-cycle" (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:56 | |
| jd__ | changing the routing pattern would also be a good optimization | 15:56 |
| jd__ | like we could subscribe on only some notifications | 15:56 |
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| eglynn_ | yeah, so currently we see them all, but discard ones that don't match a handlers declared event_types? | 15:57 |
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| eglynn_ | running out of time | 15:58 |
| eglynn_ | just a reminder to update https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/CeilometerKiloMidCycle if you plan to attend | 15:58 |
| eglynn_ | 6 names up so far | 15:58 |
| eglynn_ | we'll make a call next week on whether we've quorum | 15:58 |
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| eglynn_ | #topic "Open discussion" | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ""Open discussion" (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:59 | |
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| eglynn_ | a minute left if anyone was anything to raise? | 15:59 |
| eglynn_ | *has anything | 15:59 |
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| DinaBelova | nope for me | 16:00 |
| eglynn_ | k, let's call it a wrap ... thanks for your time! :) | 16:00 |
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| eglynn_ | #endmeeting ceilometer | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 27 16:00:23 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-11-27-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-11-27-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-11-27-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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