Friday, 2014-09-12

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cyeoh#startmeeting nova api00:00
openstackMeeting started Fri Sep 12 00:00:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is cyeoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.00:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova_api'00:00
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cyeohHi - who's here today?00:00
oomichihi00:01
alex_xu\o/00:01
gmannhi00:01
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cyeoh#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaAPI#Agenda00:01
cyeoh#topic V2.1 on V3 API00:01
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cyeohok so except for bug fixes we're not going to get anymore of the v2.1 on v3 patches into Juno00:02
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cyeohbut I think its fine for us to continue working on them and push them to gerrit00:02
cyeohoomichi or I can -2 them until Kilo opens in a few weeks00:02
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oomichiyeah, agree.00:02
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oomichibut it is a little difficult to handle a bug or v2.1 patches.00:03
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cyeohthere's still some networking related ones to port. And we need to do a pass through all of them to verify recent mergers to V2 are reflected in v2.100:03
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cyeohoomichi: I think we can merge v2.1 related bug patches?00:03
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oomichieg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120328/00:04
cyeohoomichi: yea I think we wait until next week to approve00:04
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cyeohbut should be fine through the rc's00:05
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oomichi_maybe nova-network API should be deffered to Kilo as non-bug patches.00:05
alex_xusorry for introduce those bug by me00:05
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cyeohoomichi: yes nova network should definitely be deferred to Kilo00:06
cyeohbugs we find through tempest testing I think is ok to apply as long as they are small00:06
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gmanncyeoh: oomichi: there is one more about server address for V2.1 and this has lot of file changes ~30 mainly in sample files00:06
oomichi_cyeoh: that is fine for me.00:06
gmannso can we release that as bug fix?00:06
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oomichi_gmann: too big..00:07
cyeohyea agreed if in doubt, just delay it. A few weeks delay won't hurt us00:07
gmannok.00:08
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cyeohbut do push them up to gerrit so we can see what is going on00:08
cyeohand I do like that you've been updating the etherpad with the results of your testing00:08
oomichi_I'm not sure that we can decide it in juno, but it is ok to post it and i will review it.00:08
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gmannbut  but that cause backward incompatibility between V2 and V2.1 for J, is it fine?00:08
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gmannoomichi_ ok. sounds good00:09
cyeohgmann: yea v2.1 for juno is purely experimental and disabled by default00:09
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oomichi_gmann: basically you are right. but it is also v2.1 bp work.00:09
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gmannoomichi_ yes :)00:10
oomichi_gmann: that is a reason why I feel it is difficult to handle these patches.00:10
oomichi_gmann: juno or kilo.00:10
cyeohwe just didn't have enough time to do sufficient testing for v2.1 in Juno so I'm ok with it being pretty dodgy for Juno00:10
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cyeohwe need to get it right early in Kilo though (say by K-1)00:11
oomichi_cyeoh: yes, agree.00:11
gmannyes00:11
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cyeohanything else on V2.1 on V3?00:11
oomichi_nothing special from me00:12
alex_xuthere is patch for sync server external event https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108806/00:12
cyeohalex_xu: oh good catch. COuld you add that to the etherpad?00:12
alex_xucyeoh, ok00:13
cyeoh#topic kilo cycle planning00:13
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cyeoh#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Nova_API_Kilo_Planning00:13
cyeohSo I've put some ideas up on what I think we should be working on API-related in Kilo00:13
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cyeohplease feel free to add00:13
cyeohObviously completing v2.1 and tempest verification is the highest priority00:14
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oomichi_microversion is a big topic.00:14
cyeohand I suspect tempest coverage is incomplete so we might need to do some work there otherwise we'll get surprises later on00:14
cyeohyes, microversions I think we will need to do in parallel from the start of Kilo00:15
oomichi_cyeoh: sounds good.00:15
cyeohoomichi_: hopefully we can have something to talk about at summit?00:15
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oomichi_cyeoh: yes, I also want to talk.00:15
cyeohoomichi_: is the response checking in tempest for nova complete now - or do we still need more work there?00:16
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oomichi_cyeoh: yeah, that is complete now.00:16
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oomichi_cyeoh: I don't think  we need more work for it.00:16
cyeohoomichi_: cool :-) btw I won't be at the summit so you'll be speaking for all of us re: microversions00:17
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oomichi_cyeoh: re: tempest, can we remove v3 api tests from tempest. or keep them now?00:17
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cyeohoomichi_: I'm tempted to say we can remove them. I guess the v2.1 tempest microversion checking will look very different00:18
oomichi_cyeoh: v3 api tests are disabled on the gate, it is ok to keep them at this time.00:18
cyeohwell perhaps we could delay until we have further discussions about microversions00:18
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cyeohbecause we may be able to reuse parts00:18
oomichi_cyeoh: nice idea. I agree with keeping them until discussions.00:19
gmanncyeoh, oomichi_ : i also think we can keep for re-usability if needed00:19
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cyeohSo the other thing I listed on the etherpad was cleanups/reducing technical debt00:19
cyeohand I think we should spend a reasonable time on this sort of stuff in Kilo to make life for us in the future easier00:20
oomichi_I am interested in jaypipes's speedup task of sample tests :-)00:20
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cyeohsome of the unittest code is really really horrible with lots of duplicated stuff. Bits of stubs intermingled with mock etc00:20
cyeohand it makes it hard to understand and debug failures00:21
cyeohplus we end up with races00:21
cyeohoomichi_: yes that sounds very interesting!00:21
oomichi_the etherpad is nice already, thanks00:21
cyeohalso api samples is horrible code - and generating lots of identical template and responses for server creation is silly00:21
cyeohand we have gaps in what api samples are checked00:22
oomichi_cyeoh: I agree. I have a plan replacing sample tests with the api definition of jsonschema00:22
cyeohso I think we should have a bit of a rethink about api samples and how we can autogenerate documentation in conjunction with the input validation schema00:22
oomichi_cyeoh: oh, conflicting idea :-)00:23
cyeohthe api sample tests are kind of useful in they pick up bugs which unittests don't - because they bring up a proper api server00:24
cyeohso plugins not loading properly etc gets detected00:24
cyeohalso the json schema doesn't cover url parameters00:25
cyeohbut I think we need to think about how we can autogenerate a lot of the api docs because thats a horrible manual workflow at the moment00:25
alex_xuwill we introduce response json-schema into nova?00:25
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oomichi_alex_xu: that is a plan of Tempest from qa-core.00:26
cyeohalex_xu: so I think the long term plan is to move the response json-schema tests from tempest to nova00:26
oomichi_alex_xu: the plan is that current api tests of tempest are moved to each project from tempest.00:26
cyeohwe need to setup the infrastructure to do that in Nova though (eg spinning up api servers etc)00:26
oomichi_cyeoh: yeah, right.00:27
alex_xuI'm still thinking of use json-schema to eliminate the json-format knowledge from python-code00:27
oomichi_and response jsonschema also are moved from Tempest to nova.00:27
oomichi_s/are/will be/00:27
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alex_xuwhat mean spinning up api servers? why move response json-schema into nova is long term, any block issue?00:29
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cyeohalex_xu so in tempest we spin up a whole devstack instance to run our tests against00:29
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cyeohwe'll need to at least spin up a full Nova for the equivalent tests00:30
gmanni think as response schema are ready we can have plan to move those in K and start validating the response through schema00:30
cyeoheg we don't want to be mocking Nova parts for the api tests00:30
alex_xuspin up a full nova in nova integrated tests?00:30
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cyeohgmann: that's true - we can apply response schema in real time and 500 if there's an issue00:31
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cyeohgmann: I think we should do some performance testing though or make it optional - because the overhead may be signficiant if you're say listing 1000 servers00:31
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oomichi_cyeoh: that is a nice point.00:31
cyeohalex_xu: for the ported api tests from tempest yes00:32
oomichi_cyeoh: the performance issue is my concern about strong validation.00:32
gmanncyeoh: yes agree. performance can be issue.00:32
oomichi_cyeoh: if adding it for response also, we need to check workload of it.00:32
cyeohoomichi_: yep for input I think we're ok. for output I don't know. We probably should setup a small set of baseline performance tests00:32
cyeohsome base performance numbers would be very handy for checking that other api changes are ok too - eg lazy loading of server information etc00:33
oomichi_cyeoh: perfect, that seems to fit to current direction of qa-program also :-)00:33
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cyeohyup!00:34
cyeohok so if you have any other ideas for what we should be doing in Kilo please add them to the etherpad. For some things we'll need to organise a nova-spec00:35
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cyeohalex_xu: we should probably work on the api policy cleanup if we have time00:35
alex_xucyeoh, yes00:35
alex_xucyeoh, I wil work on it00:36
cyeohalex_xu: excellent :-)00:36
cyeoh#topic server group quotas00:36
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oomichi_alex_xu: moving policy is not completed now?00:36
alex_xuoomichi_, actually policy stuff didn't start yet...00:37
cyeohoomichi_: just small bits done00:37
alex_xuoomichi_, the spec is pretty close, but block by v2 on v3 debt00:37
oomichi_alex_xu: OK, I got it. I prefer it and I hope it is written on the etherpad.00:37
alex_xuoomichi_, yes, will do00:37
oomichi_alex_xu: thanks :-)00:38
alex_xuoomichi_, np:)00:38
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cyeohPhilD has the server group quota patches which hopefully will merge before the end of FFE - I think they might not be cutting Juno-3 until Monday?00:38
cyeohAnyway I'm sure he'd appreciate reviews of his patches - it'd be nice to get it merged00:39
cyeohas its very very close now I think00:39
oomichi_cyeoh: yeah, I hope so.00:39
alex_xuI'm doing last testing00:39
alex_xufeel pretty close00:39
oomichi_now the gate is very busy, and maybe the patches need to be approved today.00:40
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oomichi_http://status.openstack.org/zuul/00:40
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cyeohyea 26 hours I think :-(00:40
oomichi_155 patches are on the gate..00:40
cyeohI think his tempest change is still 7 hours away00:40
oomichi_the longest patch is in 31 hours on the gate..00:40
cyeohah its getting longer....00:41
cyeoh#topic open discussion00:41
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cyeohdoes anyone have anything for open discussion?00:41
alex_xufound one patch that fix some broken api https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117438/00:41
alex_xubut that patch need rebase00:42
oomichi_alex_xu: nice catch, I will review it.00:42
alex_xuoomichi_, thanks00:43
cyeohhopefully he will rebase it soon...00:43
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alex_xuyea...00:43
oomichi_alex_xu: btw, are you checking all patches on the gerrit ? you are a good catcher:-)00:43
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alex_xuoomichi_, thanks, just found by review, not checking all the patches :)00:44
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oomichi_alex_xu: sounds great, thanks for doing that00:45
alex_xuoomichi_, np00:45
cyeohok is there anything else for open discussion?00:45
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gmannnothing from my side00:46
alex_xuthat's all for me00:46
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oomichi_yeah, good for me already.00:46
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cyeohok thanks everyone. We'll end a bit early then.00:46
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cyeoh#endmeeting00:47
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gmannThanks all00:47
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alex_xuthanks all!00:47
oomichi_thanks!00:47
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sdagueI wonder when dstuft normally appears, I have pip questions11:29
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clarkbsdague: I think he is pacific time? I know I have caught him late at night pacific time at least15:12
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schwickewho's there for the hierarchical projects meeting ?16:04
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thiagopschwicke: me16:06
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schwickethiagop: thanks for joining! Hope the others will turn up soon16:06
thiagopschwicke: not at all. :D16:07
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sajeeshping16:08
schwickehi sajeesh16:08
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schwicke#startmeeting hierarchical_multitenancy16:08
openstackMeeting started Fri Sep 12 16:08:59 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is schwicke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:09
raildo_hi all16:09
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:09
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'hierarchical_multitenancy'16:09
schwickehi all!16:09
schwickethanks for joining in!16:09
sajeeshhi shwicke...sorry ...I was in a function16:09
schwickelong time since the last meeting ...16:09
sajeeshyes16:09
raildo_schwicke yes16:09
schwickewe have a couple of things to be discussed16:09
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schwicke#topic implementation status16:10
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schwickeraildo: thanks for giving access to the VM16:11
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sajeeshthanks raildo16:11
raildo_schwicke, you're welcome16:11
schwickefrom the discussions and the mail exchange we had there is a api call which gives access to the full sub-tree, right ?16:11
sajeeshyes16:12
raildo_We finish the implementation in Keystone, we are now in the process of code review16:12
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schwickesajeesh: I think for the implementation that is good enough for now. we can optimize this later16:12
sajeeshschwicke +116:12
raildo_And we are developing for openstack-client and Horizon16:12
sajeeshschwicke ..I have completed the code16:13
schwickeat the end I think it does not matter much if the list of immediate children (which is the only thing we need) is extracted on the keystone or the nova side16:13
thiagopand python-keystoneclient16:13
sajeeshtrue16:13
schwickegreat!16:13
schwickesajeesh: coding is done and available in git ?16:13
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sajeeshcoding is over...I will upload in git16:14
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schwicke#action: sajeesh will submit the quota code to git16:14
raildo_sajeesh, I will want to review the code :)16:15
sajeeshraildo..sure..thanks16:15
schwicke#action sajeesh to invite reviews, eg raildo16:15
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schwickeso we can consider this done, right ?16:16
sajeeshyes16:16
schwickeNext topic then16:16
schwicke#topic: horizon16:16
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sajeeshhorizon ?16:17
schwickethanks again to Thiago for joining in16:17
sajeeshthanks a lot thiago16:17
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schwickeand the screen shots16:17
thiagopschwicke: not at all, I'm glad16:17
schwickejust to understand: for now this is only  a PoC, right ?16:17
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thiagopyep, in fact it needs a huge ammount of improvement16:18
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schwickedo you already have a bp draft for this ?16:18
thiagopthe edit buttons is losing allignment when editting the name of the projects inline16:18
schwickeouch :)16:19
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thiagopnot yet. I'm fixing these front-end problems right now16:19
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schwickeon our side I have some hope that we can free some man power to help on this. The question is only how to coordinate this.16:19
thiagopand I intend to talk with the UX people to get some help (I'm not a very good front-end programmer)16:19
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schwicke(me neither :D)16:20
schwickeA good start would be already to have a list of features which need to be implemented.16:20
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sajeeshyes16:20
schwickeI mean: add/edit/remove projects16:20
schwickeadd/edit/remove roles16:21
raildo_We still have to talk to with the Horizon folks to show the implementation and create a BP for thisd16:21
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raildo_schwicke, but this will only be for Kilo (probably at the summit)16:21
schwicke#action: contact horizon fols to show the implementation and create a bp16:21
schwickeraildo: of course, that is obvious :D16:22
thiagopI had some problems in obtaining a usable hierarchy to structure that pages. I had to get the whole subtree and process it to get wich project is what level and is son of wich other project and so on...16:22
schwickesure16:22
thiagopI can coordinate that, if you don't mind16:22
sajeesh+116:23
schwickesure, that would be great!16:23
raildo_+116:23
schwicke#agreed: Thiago will coordinate work on horizon16:23
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thiagopwe have also worked in the add project w/ parent16:23
sajeeshok16:23
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thiagopedit is a different matter because, AFAIK, this option is not covered in our initial scope for hierarchy on keystone16:24
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sajeeshok16:24
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sajeeshedit means ..changing the parent ?16:25
schwickewell, by design we don't allow much to be edited for projects, right ?16:25
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thiagopright16:25
thiagopbut, as we are thinking in Kilo, maybe we have some time to add some new steps to enable it on keystone too16:26
schwickewhat comes to my mind what is useful to be edited is who of the user has an admin role as well as the nova quota values of the children16:26
sajeeshok16:26
schwickethat makes sense16:26
schwickeactualy, that is what I was aiming at :)16:27
schwickeideally, it would be good if with kilo we could provide a set of patches which actually make the whole thing usable16:27
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schwickesajeesh: edit really only means what I mentioned.16:28
sajeeshok16:28
schwickeand for the quota part I guess horizon will have to issue nova calls, simply16:28
raildo_schwicke, ++16:28
sajeesh+116:28
thiagop+116:29
schwickeI think it would make sense if BARC could start to have a look at this, what do you think ?16:29
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schwickeNirbhay: welcome !16:29
sajeeshhi Nirbhay16:29
Nirbhay_Hi to all, sorry for being late16:29
thiagopHi!16:30
sajeeshshwicke,we will see that16:30
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schwickeok16:32
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raildo_next topic?16:34
schwickeyes16:35
schwicke(sorry, got distracted by my 2 years old playing with a knife ...)16:35
schwicke#top summit16:35
schwicke#topic summit16:35
raildo_schwicke, hahahaha16:35
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schwicke:D16:35
sajeeshshwicke,first we need to identify what all things need to be changed with respect to the current horizon dashboard..we can have a offline discussion on this16:35
schwickesajeesh: ok, let's discuss offline16:36
raildo_schwicke, I won my ticket and hotel via Travel Support Program16:36
raildo_let's go to Paris \o/16:36
thiagopI'll prepare a VM with this code as soon as I can16:36
schwickeraildo: that's great news!16:36
sajeeshraildo,great !!16:36
Nirbhay_raildo: congrats16:36
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raildo_thank you :D16:37
schwickefrom us there will be a number of people, mainly from the cloud operations team16:37
raildo_My intention is to create a design session on cross project,  about hierarchical projects16:38
schwickeand one collaborator from BARC, Nirupma16:38
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schwickeraildo: +116:38
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raildo_So, we can discuss Nova, Horizon, keystone and others :)16:38
sajeesh+116:38
thiagop+116:38
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Nirbhay_+116:38
schwicke+116:38
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raildo_#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-summit-topics16:39
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schwickeunfortunately, I cannot come to Paris due to an expected increase of the family at exactly that time :(16:40
schwickeraildo: do you want us to update the etherpad ?16:41
raildo_sure16:41
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thiagopschwicke: I don't know if I should congratulate you of feel sorry for you.16:41
schwicke:)16:42
sajeesh:-)16:42
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thiagopI belive it's a 80-20% proportion16:42
raildo_schwicke, summit has every six months16:42
raildo_schwicke, congrats!16:42
sajeeshcongrats16:42
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schwickeback to the topic16:43
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sajeeshthiago..I will review your code..sorry I was busy last week16:44
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thiagopNo problem, I'll be glad to have some feedback16:44
schwickethe etherpad looks pretty generic, isn't it ?16:45
sajeeshyes16:45
schwickeso it is really about proposing full work shops ?16:45
raildo_We have to discuss at the summit:16:45
raildo_- Final Implementation at Horizon16:45
raildo_- Extension of hierarchical quota for the horizon?16:45
raildo_- New features in Keytone (recursive deletion, update parent project ...)16:45
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raildo_anything else?16:45
schwickealso: impact on other projecst16:46
raildo_ok16:46
schwickeI guess that at some point you might want to distribute you disk quota and delegate that as well. Stuff like that.16:46
thiagopI think we should sepparate this horizon stuff in two topics: Hierarchical projects management and quota16:46
sajeeshraildo,if there is anything else to discuss...I will inform u ,..I have to think16:47
raildo_sajeesh, ok16:47
schwickethiagop: +116:48
thiagopand invite UX people to the cross-project session also16:48
schwickethat should make things easier.16:48
raildo_schwicke, Do you intend to send someone to Summit?16:48
schwickesee above: yes16:48
sajeeshraildo,what about what making keystone in sync with other services...I mean notifications16:48
schwickeNirupma will go there from our side.16:48
schwickeBelmiro is working with us as well and will be there. He's more from the operations team though16:49
raildo_sajeesh, I believe this should be a separate discussion (I think it will be very complicated), but I will suggest to the Keystone folks.16:49
sajeeshraildo,sure it is complicated16:50
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schwickesajeesh: I imagine that this would be a very hot topic16:50
sajeeshvery true16:51
raildo_schwicke, Certainly!16:51
sajeeshshwicke, the kilo spec is likely to be opened at Sept-2516:52
schwickesajeesh: Great! Please submit asap, and invite core developers for review. Usual suspects I'd say16:52
sajeeshsure ..I will do it16:53
raildo_Time is running out ... Following the suggestions of Vinod's topic  - reduce frequency of meetings?16:53
schwickeI think we should brain storm during the week on possible topics and review next friday16:53
schwicketo conclude this topic16:54
sajeesh++116:54
Nirbhay_+116:54
raildo_schwicke, sounds good to me16:54
thiagop+116:54
schwicke#agreed: brain storm over the week and rediscuss next Friday16:54
schwicke#topic: frequency of meetings16:54
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schwickeI think we have 2 options: we leave the regular schedule but don't use every slot, or we go down to a 2 weeks schedule16:55
schwickethinking about the summit preparation I'm more in favor of the first option ...16:55
schwickeOpinions welcome!16:55
sajeeshfirst option sounds good to me16:55
schwickethe only issue is that other might might be able to use the slot otherwise16:56
raildo_I believe to decrease the meeting for two weeks and maintain contact by email16:56
schwickeso next meeting on the 26th ?16:56
schwickeat that point we could check if the submission worked fine :)\16:57
raildo_I believe we need to have everything well defined for the summit, this meeting is important.16:57
sajeesh+116:57
schwickeraildo: I agree with you16:57
schwickeat least until the summit we should probably keep the meetings untouched.16:58
schwickeTime is running out.16:58
raildo_schwicke, ok16:58
sajeesh+116:58
schwicke#agreed: keep the meetings as they are until the summit then review16:58
schwickeok, AOB ?16:58
schwicke#endmeeting16:58
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openstackMeeting ended Fri Sep 12 16:58:58 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:59
sajeeshnothing .16:59
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-09-12-16.08.html16:59
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-09-12-16.08.txt16:59
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-09-12-16.08.log.html16:59
schwickeso let's keep in touch via e-mail16:59
schwickehappy brainstorming!16:59
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raildo_thank you guys, have a nice weekend16:59
schwickedito16:59
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sajeeshbye all...have nice weekend !!!! special thanks to Thiago16:59
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schwickeindeed16:59
schwickeCU, enjoy the weekend17:00
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thiagopbye, have a nice weekend (away from knives)17:01
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