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| mestery | hi | 13:59 |
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| enikanorov | hi | 13:59 |
| kevinbenton | hi | 13:59 |
| jlibosva | hi | 13:59 |
| fawadkhaliq | hello! | 13:59 |
| lpeer | hi | 13:59 |
| ahmedmuawiakhan | hi | 13:59 |
| mestery | lpeer: Nice to see you here! :) | 14:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi | 14:00 |
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| markmcclain | o/ | 14:00 |
| lpeer | mestery: nice to have the meeting in a decent hour :) | 14:00 |
| emagana | good morning!! awwww | 14:00 |
| amotoki | hi | 14:00 |
| regXboi | moo | 14:00 |
| * markmcclain needs more coffee | 14:00 | |
| amuller | Such a nice and reasonable hour | 14:00 |
| mestery | :) | 14:00 |
| amotoki | I am really relieved I joined the channel in the correct time :) | 14:01 |
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| banix | hi | 14:01 |
| jckasper_ | hi | 14:01 |
| fawadkhaliq | amotoki: haha | 14:01 |
| mestery | amotoki: Glad to see you here! | 14:01 |
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| mestery | OK, lets get started | 14:01 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 9 14:01:45 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:01 |
| mestery | First, I'd like to welcome everyone to the first neutron meeting at 1400UTC! :) | 14:02 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 14:02 |
| jschwarz | woooo ;p | 14:02 |
| jschwarz | we appreciate it | 14:02 |
| obondarev | o/ | 14:02 |
| mestery | #topic Announcements | 14:02 |
| * dougwig waves groggily. | 14:02 | |
| mestery | Juno-3 was released last week | 14:02 |
| mestery | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/juno/juno-3/+download/neutron-2014.2.b3.tar.gz | 14:02 |
| mestery | Thanks to the team for some awesome work here! | 14:02 |
| mestery | We really pulled together, I'm happy and proud of the work everyone did! | 14:03 |
| jckasper_ | fyi: wiki still states Tuesdays at 1400 UTC (#openstack-meeting-alt) | 14:03 |
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| mestery | jckasper_: Will update (or please do yourself, thanks!) | 14:03 |
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| mestery | We're now onto the first RC | 14:03 |
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| mestery | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 14:04 |
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| mestery | We'll cover the FFEs for RC1 coming up in the agenda. | 14:04 |
| mestery | Any other announcements for the team? | 14:04 |
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| mestery | Moving along then ... | 14:05 |
| mestery | #topic Bugs | 14:05 |
| rkukura | hi | 14:05 |
| mestery | enikanorov: Hi there! | 14:05 |
| enikanorov | hi | 14:05 |
| ajo | hi :) | 14:05 |
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| garyk | hi | 14:05 |
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| garyk | finally a neutron meeting at a time when i am awake | 14:05 |
| mestery | garyk: Nice seeing you here ;) | 14:05 |
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| amotoki | garyk: :-) | 14:06 |
| enikanorov | on bugs: i see a spike in gate failures related to DB lockwait timeout and mysql connectivity problems | 14:06 |
| garyk | yeah, sorry for missing so many. my humble apologies | 14:06 |
| mestery | garyk: Totally understand. :) | 14:06 |
| mestery | enikanorov: Link? | 14:06 |
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| enikanorov | the first one i need to sort out yet - some new lock wait timeouts appeared in -dvr gate job | 14:06 |
| enikanorov | i have not filed bugs yet, analysing logstash | 14:06 |
| enikanorov | i will file them soon | 14:07 |
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| enikanorov | and there is another bug i'd like to mention: | 14:07 |
| mestery | enikanorov: Thanks! | 14:07 |
| enikanorov | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1323729 | 14:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1323729 in neutron "Remove Open vSwitch and Linuxbridge plugins from the Neutron tree" [High,Confirmed] | 14:07 |
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| mestery | enikanorov: markmcclain is on that one :) | 14:07 |
| enikanorov | are we going to do that in J? | 14:08 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: I've got the proposals ready :) | 14:08 |
| mestery | I think we're waiting for the cisco plugin removal bug to land first, right markmcclain? | 14:08 |
| markmcclain | mestery: correct | 14:08 |
| mestery | HenryG: ^^^ | 14:08 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: OK, lets see if we can land that one today and then get LB and OVS removal done. | 14:08 |
| HenryG | Yes, it is about ready to get the boot. | 14:08 |
| enikanorov | ok, good | 14:08 |
| mestery | HenryG: Ha! :) | 14:08 |
| markmcclain | mestery: sounds good.. I'll coordinate with HenryG | 14:09 |
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| enikanorov | that's all from me | 14:09 |
| mestery | markmcclain HenryG: Thanks! | 14:09 |
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| rossella_s | regarding the DB lockwait timeout error, I have a patch that remove most of the locking in the db base plugin. It would be nice to get more feedback https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100963/ | 14:09 |
| mestery | enikanorov: Thanks for the update on bugs, and keep us updated on the ML around the DB bugs you're triaging now. | 14:09 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100963/ | 14:09 |
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| mestery | rossella_s: Thanks for the patch! Have any cores spent time on this one yet? | 14:09 |
| rossella_s | mestery: thanks! yes some core did but I think it needs more eyes on it | 14:10 |
| rossella_s | mestery: it is a big change | 14:10 |
| markmcclain | mestery, rossella_s: I've spent some time on it, but need to spend more since it is touches many critical paths | 14:10 |
| mestery | rossella_s: I see that in looking at it now :) | 14:10 |
| garyk | rossella_s: concern is that a lot of the CI's fail. | 14:10 |
| marun | rossella_s: As per my review comment, I think more thourough testing is suggested by such a substantive change. | 14:11 |
| enikanorov | marun: +1 | 14:11 |
| mestery | I agree with marun and garyk here. | 14:11 |
| rossella_s | garyk: I will have a look at the CI | 14:11 |
| amuller | We don't have tests that explicitly test concurrent operations do we? | 14:11 |
| amotoki | feel same | 14:11 |
| marun | rossella_s: I know that's complicated by the currently poor testing, and I'll be happy to help if you need. | 14:11 |
| rossella_s | marun: I added some unit tests, I can add a functional test, I'd appreciate your help | 14:11 |
| enikanorov | amuller: tempest, but it still requires a number of runs to be sure | 14:11 |
| marun | rossella_s: I'm happy to help. | 14:12 |
| rossella_s | marun: thanks | 14:13 |
| mestery | #action marun to work with rossella_s to add more testing to the DB locking patch | 14:13 |
| mestery | Thanks for the offer of help marun! | 14:13 |
| mestery | Any other bugs the team should be aware of now? | 14:13 |
| mestery | #topic FFE BP Discussion | 14:14 |
| mestery | The list of BPs with a granted FFE are here: https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 14:14 |
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| mestery | I'd like to walk through them and see where they are, | 14:14 |
| mestery | We have until Friday to land these. | 14:14 |
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| mestery | First one: L3 HA | 14:14 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/l3-high-availability | 14:14 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: You have been sheparding this one, how is it looking? | 14:14 |
| marun | url 2 | 14:15 |
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| carl_baldwin | mestery: looking better. Some refactoring came in recently that I think needs some work. | 14:15 |
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| carl_baldwin | There are three patches left. | 14:16 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: What is your estimate on if we can land them by Friday? Looking good still? | 14:16 |
| carl_baldwin | I think it is looking pretty good. | 14:16 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: Thanks! | 14:17 |
| amotoki | is there any wiki (or other) to explain how to test it? I think we need more broader testing. | 14:17 |
| marun | amuller has agreed to work with me to work on more substantive functional post-merge. | 14:17 |
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| amotoki | (though i do testing manually) | 14:17 |
| amuller | amotoki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam#Blueprint:_l3-high-availability_.28safchain.2C_amuller.29 | 14:17 |
| marun | the goal will be an automated end-to-end test of l3 ha before release of juno | 14:17 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: thanks for the link | 14:18 |
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| amotoki | amuller: really useful | 14:18 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam#Blueprint:_l3-high-availability_.28safchain.2C_amuller.29 | 14:18 |
| mestery | Thanks for the updates on this one! Next on the list is ipset: | 14:18 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/add-ipset-to-security | 14:18 |
| mestery | I believe this one has a single patch left. | 14:18 |
| mestery | And the main holdup now is around the possible need for refactoring this. | 14:18 |
| mestery | ajo: You've been looking at this one and brought this up with me yesterday I recall. | 14:19 |
| garyk | my concern with the l3 HA is scale. have you guys done any scale tests with this? or does it work with devstack ? | 14:19 |
| markmcclain | mestery: looks like 2 reviews for IPSet | 14:19 |
| markmcclain | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/add-ipset-to-security,n,z | 14:19 |
| mestery | markmcclain: I think one is a testing patch and salv has marked that one WIP. | 14:19 |
| ajo | mestery, correct | 14:19 |
| ajo | I believe it's in very good shape now | 14:19 |
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| ajo | I just submited the functional testing | 14:19 |
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| ajo | as a follow up atch | 14:19 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Whoops, I'm wrong, sorry :) | 14:19 |
| ajo | patch | 14:19 |
| mestery | Ah, that explains it then ajo. :) | 14:20 |
| amuller | garyk: We normally perform those kind of tests post-merge | 14:20 |
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| markmcclain | mestery: I plan on reviewing these today | 14:20 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: Thanks! | 14:20 |
| ajo | :-) | 14:20 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Note the comments around refactoring and the time left. I was fine with the refactoring happening in kilo, would appreciate your comments there as well! | 14:20 |
| markmcclain | mestery: ok | 14:21 |
| ajo | mestery, I believe the problem around refactoring into a driver, was problematic with CI & devstack | 14:21 |
| ajo | as we would have to point to the new driver once ready. | 14:21 |
| mestery | ajo: OK | 14:21 |
| ajo | the work was actually easy | 14:21 |
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| mestery | ajo: Thanks for the update here! I think this one also looks to be in good shape to merge by Friday. | 14:21 |
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| mestery | Moving on: retargetable functional testing | 14:22 |
| ajo | thanks :) | 14:22 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/retargetable-functional-testing | 14:22 |
| mestery | marun: This one is yours, and since it's testing, doesn't need an FFE but does need to merge by Friday. | 14:22 |
| mestery | marun: What are your thoughts on this one merging this week yet? | 14:22 |
| marun | I'll have an updated patch tomorrow that removes lb and ovs testing and replaces it with ml2. | 14:23 |
| mestery | marun: Excellent! | 14:23 |
| marun | I've already addressed substantive comments from salv-orlando, so I expect it should be mergeable tomorrow. | 14:23 |
| mestery | marun: Thank you! Hopefully we can get it in the merge queue tomorrow then. | 14:23 |
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| mestery | Next one on the list is FWaaS support for DVR: | 14:24 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-dvr-fwaas | 14:24 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Have you been looking at this one with armax and SumitNaiksatam? | 14:24 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: ;) | 14:25 |
| carl_baldwin | yes, I’ve had an eye on it. | 14:25 |
| mestery | I think armax has also been reviewing this one. | 14:25 |
| carl_baldwin | I think it is very close. Will review again today as my comments from yesterday seem to have been addressed. | 14:26 |
| mestery | I'll ping SridarK_ later today for an update on this one as well. | 14:26 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Thank you! | 14:26 |
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| SridarK_ | mestery: yes all comment addresses as of now | 14:26 |
| SridarK_ | carl_baldwin: thanks for review | 14:26 |
| mestery | SridarK_: Hey! Excellent, thanks! Any ideas on the current Jenkins failure there? | 14:26 |
| SridarK_ | mestery: seems unrelated - just triggered a recheck | 14:27 |
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| mestery | SridarK_: thank you! | 14:27 |
| SridarK_ | mestery: thx | 14:27 |
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| mestery | OK, next up is migration reorganization: | 14:27 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/reorganize-migrations | 14:27 |
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| mestery | I spoke to salv-orlando over the weekend via email, and there is one patch in particular he wants merged out of this series | 14:27 |
| mestery | Even if all of them don't make it. | 14:27 |
| obondarev | mestery: can you please point the patch? | 14:28 |
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| mestery | I believe it's this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112732/ | 14:28 |
| garyk | mestery: salv is also away for a few days. | 14:28 |
| mestery | garyk: Yes | 14:28 |
| mestery | HenryG: You've been reviewing this one I believe. | 14:28 |
| mestery | HenryG: Are you aware of salv's wishes on this BP? | 14:29 |
| HenryG | Yup. It's pretty close to go in, I think. | 14:29 |
| mestery | HenryG: OK, thanks! I don't think salv can update it this week, is this something you could take on in his abscense? | 14:29 |
| HenryG | Sure | 14:29 |
| mestery | HenryG: Thanks! | 14:29 |
| garyk | great. can you ping me and i will review | 14:29 |
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| mestery | #action HenryG to take on the DB migration patches from salv-orlando this week | 14:30 |
| HenryG | Thanks gary, will do | 14:30 |
| amotoki | HenryG: could you share points on what should be reviewed and what points should be checked? | 14:30 |
| markmcclain | HenryG: also feel free to ping met oo | 14:30 |
| garyk | hemna: dankie | 14:30 |
| garyk | HenryG: ^ | 14:30 |
| HenryG | :) | 14:31 |
| mestery | The next one on the list is the L3 metering label changes: | 14:31 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/l3-metering-mgnt-ext | 14:31 |
| mestery | This one has two very small patches | 14:31 |
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| mestery | amotoki: Looks like you need to sync with brian haley on this one per the review | 14:31 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70090/ | 14:32 |
| haleyb | My last comment on that patch was a question for amotoki asking for clarification | 14:32 |
| mestery | amotoki: Can you do that this week yet? | 14:32 |
| mestery | haleyb: Ack | 14:32 |
| amotoki | haleyb: will check asfter the meeting. | 14:32 |
| mestery | amotoki: Thank you! | 14:32 |
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| haleyb | ok, or even safchain since he originally did the code | 14:32 |
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| mestery | The last BP on the FFE list is another testing one, UT test autodeletion: | 14:33 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/remove-unit-test-autodeletion | 14:33 |
| mestery | This one is now in the queue it appears | 14:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: sorry, I was away afk | 14:33 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: no worries :) | 14:33 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Thanks for getting that one in the queue this morning! | 14:33 |
| markmcclain | mestery: kevinbenton helped too | 14:34 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Thanks for getting that one up this morning! | 14:34 |
| mestery | So, that's it for BPs with FFEs. | 14:34 |
| mestery | It looks like we're in pretty good shape. | 14:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: regarding, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-dvr-fwaas SridarK_ and the rest of the fwaas team is currently doing functional testing | 14:34 |
| mestery | Remember, these need to merge by Friday. | 14:34 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Ack, thanks for the update there! | 14:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: all review comments have been addressed last night | 14:34 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Awesome! carl_baldwin is going to look at that one today as well, and hopefully armax can re-review it today as well. | 14:35 |
| mestery | OK, moving on in the agenda now. | 14:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: yeah, thanks armax and carl_baldwin | 14:35 |
| mestery | #topic Incubator Update | 14:36 |
| carl_baldwin | SumitNaiksatam: ready to +2. Need to address CI failures. | 14:36 |
| markmcclain | mestery: with the extreme gate backlog last week held off adding more work for infra | 14:36 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Can you provide an update on the incubator now that Juno-3 has passed and with it the 24hour merge window? | 14:36 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Jinx! :) | 14:36 |
| ajo | :) | 14:37 |
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| markmcclain | markmcclain: will resume the work now that higher priority items are merged | 14:37 |
| markmcclain | mestery: haha | 14:37 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Awesome and thanks! | 14:37 |
| mestery | #topic Parity | 14:37 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Hi again :) | 14:37 |
| markmcclain | mestery: hi.. we have to make a devstack change to address one issue and held off with j-3 rush, so will push that this week | 14:38 |
| mestery | markmcclain: I think we should push this patch on the devstack side as well: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105785/ | 14:38 |
| mestery | That makes neutron the default in devstack | 14:38 |
| mestery | Thoughts? | 14:38 |
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| markmcclain | mestery: we need to activate grenade testing first which is in the queue | 14:39 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Ack | 14:39 |
| markmcclain | *my work queue | 14:39 |
| markmcclain | and then we can flip the default | 14:39 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Sounds good | 14:39 |
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| garyk | mestery: my only concern with that devstack one is the mad rush for J | 14:40 |
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| garyk | can we defer it for a week or 2 when the gate is a little less crazy | 14:40 |
| mestery | garyk: Agreed, and to be honest, if it slips to post-J, it's not a huge deal. | 14:40 |
| mestery | garyk: Ack | 14:40 |
| mestery | garyk: It's main purpose is that it's part of the parity plan agreed to with the TC at the start of Juno. | 14:40 |
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| garyk | i just feel that we are alsways between a rock and a hard place in neutron so it we can just limit the rocks being thrown at us :) | 14:41 |
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| mestery | less rocks are always better | 14:41 |
| markmcclain | ++ | 14:41 |
| mestery | OK, lets move on now. | 14:42 |
| mestery | #topic Docs | 14:42 |
| mestery | emagana: Hi! Docs update this week? | 14:42 |
| emagana | mestery: Hi | 14:42 |
| emagana | mestery: a short one! | 14:42 |
| emagana | Folks help us to identify gaps on documentation (specially the new staff), we are using this etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-docs-juno | 14:43 |
| emagana | link# https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-docs-juno | 14:43 |
| emagana | ups.. #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-docs-juno | 14:43 |
| emagana | So far, I believe only L3 HA is not included | 14:43 |
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| * mestery looks at the etherpad link | 14:44 | |
| mestery | There is some good stuff in there emagana, I'll eyeball this closer post-meeting, thanks for sharing! | 14:44 |
| emagana | nothing more | 14:45 |
| mestery | emagana: Are there any deadlines for docs we should be aware of? | 14:45 |
| emagana | dont have the deadlines | 14:45 |
| mestery | emagana: OK, was just curious. Thanks! | 14:45 |
| amotoki | I think one milestone is a month after the release. | 14:45 |
| emagana | let me get them from anne and I will update both wiki and etherpad | 14:45 |
| mestery | amotoki emagana: Thank you! | 14:46 |
| amotoki | (just from our experience from icehouse) | 14:46 |
| emagana | Yes, normally Docs are more flexible than the rest of the projects | 14:46 |
| * mestery doesn't see mlavalle here so will skip Tempest today. | 14:46 | |
| mestery | #topic L3 | 14:46 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Good morning! | 14:47 |
| carl_baldwin | hi | 14:47 |
| carl_baldwin | wiki is up to date. | 14:47 |
| carl_baldwin | Will post infra changes soon to make dvr job non-voting (from experimental) | 14:47 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Excellent! | 14:47 |
| carl_baldwin | We discussed L3 HA. I think it is converging. | 14:47 |
| carl_baldwin | Need a tempest change to merge to fix experimental job. | 14:48 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116377/ | 14:48 |
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| carl_baldwin | That is all I have. I’ll point readers to the wiki for the rest. | 14:49 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#L3_.28carl_baldwin.29 | 14:49 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: That looks like an innocuous patch to me. | 14:49 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: Yeah, just need some tempest cores to look and accept it. | 14:49 |
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| carl_baldwin | It should get us clean tempest runs on dvr. | 14:49 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Maybe ping some folks in #openstack-qa, I bet you could get it in the queue today easily. | 14:50 |
| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will ping #openstack-qa today | 14:50 |
| mestery | #topic IPV6 | 14:50 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Hi! Around? | 14:50 |
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| * mestery thought he saw sc68cal update the IPV6 agenda this week, waits for a moment longer. | 14:51 | |
| xuhanp | mestery, can I provide one review about IPv6? | 14:52 |
| mestery | xuhanp: Please do! | 14:52 |
| xuhanp | https://review.openstack.org/103811 | 14:52 |
| mestery | xuhanp: Thanks! | 14:52 |
| xuhanp | I will address the -1 tomorrow, but can get more comments. | 14:52 |
| xuhanp | We will need that for DHCPv6 to work | 14:52 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/103811 | 14:52 |
| mestery | xuhanp: OK | 14:52 |
| xuhanp | mestery, thanks! | 14:52 |
| amotoki | xuhanp: are there any reviews we need to take care of before Juno? | 14:53 |
| mestery | xuhanp: Anything else in IPV6 area this week? | 14:53 |
| amotoki | *any other reviews | 14:53 |
| xuhanp | not as I am aware of | 14:53 |
| xuhanp | will ping you guys if there are more. | 14:53 |
| HenryG | There is the one with the issue regarding HA router failover | 14:53 |
| mestery | HenryG: Link? | 14:54 |
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| * HenryG is looking for it ... | 14:54 | |
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| amotoki | I think HenryG is talking about the dev ML topic. | 14:54 |
| xuhanp | https://review.openstack.org/114437 | 14:54 |
| xuhanp | this link? | 14:54 |
| HenryG | amotoki: yes, and xuhanp: yes. Thanks. | 14:55 |
| amotoki | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/thread.html#44602 | 14:55 |
| mestery | That patch is in WIP right now, isn't it? | 14:55 |
| mestery | Anyways, lets see if that one can make it as well. | 14:55 |
| mestery | amotoki: thanks for the link there! | 14:56 |
| xuhanp | We are still trying to figure out the right way to do it for IPv6 | 14:56 |
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| mestery | xuhanp: thanks! | 14:56 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 14:56 |
| marios | thanks for the new meeting time | 14:57 |
| amotoki | Good news from Horizon. Most planned blueprints (including DVR and IPV6) and bugs have been merged. I will talk with david (ptl) about L3-HA support. | 14:57 |
| mestery | marios: you're welcome | 14:57 |
| mestery | amotoki: awesome! | 14:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | amotoki: thats wonderful! | 14:57 |
| regXboi | mestery: best to remind folks of the next rotating meeting before we are done | 14:57 |
| hemanthravi | markmcclain, do you have an approx timeframe for the incubator to be available | 14:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | fyi - group based policy (gbp) has a stackforge repo: https://github.com/stackforge/group-based-policy | 14:57 |
| mestery | regXboi: Hey there, and yes! | 14:57 |
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| * regXboi has been lurking the whole meeting | 14:57 | |
| mestery | #info Neutron meeting rotates, next week is back to Monday at 2000 UTC | 14:58 |
| amotoki | 2100UTC? | 14:58 |
| mestery | amotoki: Right. | 14:58 |
| mestery | #info Neutron meeting rotates, next week is back to Monday at 2100 UTC | 14:58 |
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| * mestery needs to go for more coffee in 2 minutes | 14:58 | |
| mestery | OK, thanks everyone! | 14:58 |
| kevinbenton | hemanthravi: after it finishes incubating :-) | 14:58 |
| mestery | I'm glad the new meeting time has allowed some fresh faces to join us! | 14:59 |
| amuller | amotoki++ | 14:59 |
| mestery | We'll see you all on the ML and IRC! | 14:59 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 9 14:59:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-09-09-14.01.html | 14:59 |
| dougwig | o/ | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-09-09-14.01.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-09-09-14.01.log.html | 14:59 |
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| markmcclain | bye | 14:59 |
| jlibosva | bye | 14:59 |
| Chengyong_Lin | bye | 14:59 |
| yamamoto | good night | 14:59 |
| ahmedmuawiakhan | bye | 14:59 |
| marios | o/ | 14:59 |
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| HenryG | Totsiens | 14:59 |
| regXboi | oom | 14:59 |
| obondarev | bye | 14:59 |
| amotoki | thanks. bye/ | 14:59 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting gantt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 9 15:00:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 15:00 |
| n0ano | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 15:00 |
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| bauzas_ | \o | 15:01 |
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| n0ano | bauzas_, I was beginning to think you were on baby duty today :-) | 15:01 |
| ndipanov | o/ | 15:01 |
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| Chengyong_Lin | #help | 15:02 |
| bauzas_ | n0ano: naaaah | 15:02 |
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| toan_tran|2 | o/ | 15:03 |
| n0ano | well, it's approaching 5 after, let's begin | 15:03 |
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| n0ano | #topic next steps | 15:03 |
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| bauzas_ | is jaypipes around ? | 15:03 |
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| PaulMurray | hi all - I'm here | 15:04 |
| n0ano | odd, my topic didn't work, wonder why, whatever | 15:04 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas_: ya! | 15:04 |
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| n0ano | hopefully you all saw the email about `what we agreed to', I'd like to expand upon that | 15:04 |
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| n0ano | to me there are 3 APIs that need to be cleaned up... | 15:05 |
| n0ano | 1) client interface | 15:05 |
| n0ano | 2) DB access | 15:05 |
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| n0ano | 3) resource tracker | 15:05 |
| bauzas_ | n0ano: not that exactly that | 15:05 |
| n0ano | bauzas_, feel free to clarify | 15:05 |
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| bauzas_ | n0ano: by speaking about APIs, we're discussing about | 15:05 |
| bauzas_ | 1/ select_destinations (incl. request_spec data) | 15:06 |
| bauzas_ | 2/ update_resource_stats (ie. how the Scheduler is getting updates) | 15:06 |
| jaypipes | bauzas_: correct. it's the request_spec that needs to be versioned and "objectiified". | 15:06 |
| jaypipes | bauzas_: I prefer "update_resources" vs. update_resource_stats, but yes. | 15:06 |
| bauzas_ | we also need to objecify the stats dict | 15:06 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas_: we need to get rid of the stats dict entirely... | 15:07 |
| bauzas_ | jaypipes: +1 | 15:07 |
| PaulMurray | jaypipes, bauzas_ I agree incidntally | 15:07 |
| n0ano | I was folding the client interface as the implmention of the select destination API | 15:07 |
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| bauzas_ | n0ano: client interface is providing both | 15:07 |
| jaypipes | bauzas_: and just send a versioned object that has a set of resource usage objects in it. | 15:07 |
| bauzas_ | jaypipes: violent agreement here | 15:07 |
| PaulMurray | jaypipes, +1 | 15:07 |
| jaypipes | bauzas_: similar to what the NUMATopology classes added by ndipanov and danpb in nova.virt.hardware look like | 15:08 |
| bauzas_ | there is one last thing to consider : claims | 15:08 |
| jaypipes | bauzas_: yes, that's the biggie. | 15:08 |
| jaypipes | or the baddie, depending on how you look at it ;) | 15:08 |
| bauzas_ | the problem that ndipanov faced is that he had to hack the claim methods for the NUMATopology objects | 15:09 |
| ndipanov | so my thinking was that claims need to live in the scheduler, and that weather they are done in the scheduler service or on nodes is an implemntation detail | 15:09 |
| ndipanov | bauzas_, that is mostly because we don't have the data model | 15:09 |
| jaypipes | bauzas_: exactly. | 15:09 |
| jaypipes | bauzas_: please :see my comments about the claim interface in those patch reviews :) | 15:10 |
| bauzas_ | ndipanov: I'm just thinking we should attach a claim() method to the objects we provide to the Scheduler with API endpoint #2 (update_resource_stats or whatevor) | 15:10 |
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| jaypipes | ndipanov: claims should be *returned* from the scheduler, yes. | 15:10 |
| ndipanov | bauzas_, that does not sound insane to me, but is really up to how we do it | 15:10 |
| bauzas_ | jaypipes: I'm just thinking that scheduler could just call this method when select_destinations | 15:10 |
| jaypipes | ndipanov: or rather, a set of claims.. | 15:10 |
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| ndipanov | jaypipes, you may be right - if you are certain that we want to claim in the scheduler (with a cheap almost lock free db hit) than we may want to do that form the start | 15:11 |
| bauzas_ | to me, I'm thinking of : | 15:11 |
| jaypipes | bauzas_: so, before 1/ and 2/ above, we need to complete the work to un-kludge the ComputeNode -> Service relation. | 15:11 |
| bauzas_ | jaypipes: \o/ | 15:11 |
| ndipanov | but if not and we stick to "optimistic" clam if fail retry system we have now | 15:11 |
| bauzas_ | can't agree more | 15:12 |
| jaypipes | ndipanov: yes. I am certain :) | 15:12 |
| bauzas_ | that FK is insane | 15:12 |
| ndipanov | we still want tthe code to live in the sched | 15:12 |
| n0ano | I'm a little confused, the claiming should be part of the select destination or part of the update resources or should be a separate interface | 15:12 |
| ndipanov | jaypipes, in that case yes - claims HAVE to be in the scheduler :D | 15:12 |
| bauzas_ | n0ano: objects are passed to the Scheduler using update_resources | 15:12 |
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| bauzas_ | n0ano: and stored | 15:12 |
| jaypipes | ndipanov: well, putting the construction of the claim set in the scheduler means the "retry on resource starvation" loop becomes much tighter, meaning we don't need to go all the way to the compute node to figure out we're starved and initiate a retry.. | 15:13 |
| bauzas_ | n0ano: that's when select_destinations is coming that these objects are claimed | 15:13 |
| bauzas_ | jaypipes: I stated the proposal in the n0ano's reply that we could live with current RT claims for one cycle | 15:13 |
| bauzas_ | jaypipes: in parallel with objects claims | 15:14 |
| n0ano | my issue is that updating resources doesn't necessarily imply claiming anything, your just informing the scheduler what;s available | 15:14 |
| ndipanov | jaypipes, right - of course - (your retry is got 0 rows back) | 15:14 |
| jaypipes | ndipanov: correct :) | 15:14 |
| bauzas_ | n0ano: you inform scheduler with objects | 15:14 |
| ndipanov | this does sound like we will need to change a lot about the RT as well | 15:14 |
| ndipanov | though I may be wrong | 15:14 |
| ndipanov | but overall | 15:14 |
| bauzas_ | n0ano: those objects are claimed when select_destinations | 15:14 |
| ndipanov | if this can be done and is not ridiculously more difficult then keeping the current RT + claims only changing the data model | 15:15 |
| ndipanov | then by all means do it! | 15:15 |
| n0ano | so, in my thinking, the claim happens in the select destination, that makes sense | 15:15 |
| bauzas_ | n0ano: yup | 15:15 |
| jaypipes | ++ | 15:15 |
| jaypipes | correct. | 15:15 |
| bauzas_ | lemme provide the next steps I'm seeing | 15:15 |
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| bauzas_ | so folks, you can debate | 15:16 |
| ndipanov | jaypipes, who was the ++ to? me or n0ano ? | 15:16 |
| bauzas_ | 0/ Remove FK on ComputeNode | 15:16 |
| bauzas_ | 1/ update_resource_stats is providing ComputeNode objects instead of stats dict | 15:17 |
| bauzas_ | 2/ build_request_spec builds a Request object | 15:17 |
| jaypipes | ndipanov: to n0ano and bauza, who were saying claims are done in select_destinations() (which I think should be renamed get_placement_claims() | 15:17 |
| bauzas_ | 3/ add claim() to ComputeNode | 15:17 |
| bauzas_ | 4/ call CN.claim() in select_destinations | 15:18 |
| ndipanov | jaypipes, ack | 15:18 |
| jaypipes | bauzas_: well, not necessarily... | 15:18 |
| bauzas_ | ok, time for debating :) | 15:18 |
| bauzas_ | jaypipes: your thoughts ? | 15:18 |
| n0ano | bauzas_, was that your complete list? | 15:18 |
| ndipanov | jaypipes, and then the RT on compute nodes still goes and does it's updates of available resources as they are now? | 15:18 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas_: you wouldn't want to call claim() on the nova.objects.ComputeNode itself, but rather a wrapper (I called it ComputeNodeState object) that has a ComputeNode DB object inside it). | 15:19 |
| ndipanov | jaypipes, or how will that work? | 15:19 |
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| bauzas_ | yeah, steps 0 to 4 | 15:19 |
| bauzas_ | jaypipes: interesting | 15:19 |
| bauzas_ | jaypipes: I just need to care about nested objects | 15:20 |
| jaypipes | ndipanov: the RT on the compute node would still do a check, yes, but it would be the exception to the rule that a resource starvation would occur, vs. the current implementation which has the retry logic actually *be* the Claim object abort in the resource tracker. | 15:20 |
| bauzas_ | jaypipes: +1 | 15:20 |
| ndipanov | jaypipes, ok - I have a picture now... | 15:20 |
| bauzas_ | jaypipes: I'm seeing the RT Claims as an emergency check | 15:20 |
| jaypipes | bauzas_: see the ComputeNodeState object here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103598/4/nova/placement/resource_tracker.py | 15:20 |
| ndipanov | is there any way you guys could do a write up | 15:20 |
| ndipanov | so that I am sure I am not missunderstanding | 15:21 |
| bauzas_ | ndipanov: I began step 0 | 15:21 |
| jaypipes | bauzas_: for an explanation as to why the ComputeNode DB object should be an attribute of the maintained state. | 15:21 |
| bauzas_ | jaypipes: will read further | 15:21 |
| n0ano | we need a short writeup of steps 3 & 4, the others are pretty obvious | 15:21 |
| bauzas_ | n0ano: we need a *spec* for step 3 and 4 :) | 15:22 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas_: yes, the RT claim on the compute node would be the emergency check for any externally-initiated change to the virt state (for instance somebody doing a virsh destroy out of band of Nova) | 15:22 |
| bauzas_ | jaypipes: +1 again | 15:22 |
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| bauzas_ | jaypipes: the last controller, but not the main one | 15:22 |
| jaypipes | ndipanov: yes, I am working on a writeup, will share with bauzas_, you, and n0ano today. (etherpad) | 15:23 |
| bauzas_ | jaypipes: awesome | 15:23 |
| ndipanov | jaypipes, awesome! | 15:23 |
| n0ano | jaypipes, that would be great | 15:23 |
| jaypipes | and sorry n0ano for not responding sooner to your ML post :( | 15:23 |
| PaulMurray | jaypipes, me too please | 15:23 |
| jaypipes | PaulMurray: of course, will do. | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: interested too, hard to follow the irc converstion | 15:23 |
| n0ano | jaypipes, NP | 15:23 |
| jaypipes | will just send the link to the ML thread and ping you all | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 15:23 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: yeah, agreed :) tough to follow sometimers :) | 15:23 |
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| bauzas_ | jaypipes: yeah, just pile up an empty etherpad, so we can attach it to the logs | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | (mostly my fault for not ever being able to make the first half of this meeting) | 15:24 |
| n0ano | well, start with an etherpad, we'll need to turn it into a true BP soon | 15:24 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: in the meantime, I want to make it clear that I fully support the split of the scheduler code. I just want to make that process have a good chance of suceeding by doing the above few steps before the split happens. | 15:24 |
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| n0ano | jaypipes, I've always said we all agree on lthe goal, it's the path that is the issue | 15:25 |
| jaypipes | ++ | 15:25 |
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| n0ano | one thought, we're redoing `how` we call into the scheduler, do we think this provides the clean, separable interface we are looking for? | 15:26 |
| bauzas_ | I just want to restate that we agreed during last midcycle meetup that the split will consist in a python lib | 15:26 |
| bauzas_ | not atm a new project | 15:26 |
| jaypipes | bauzas_: yes, the first step is a python lib. | 15:26 |
| bauzas_ | yeah, just emphasizing this, that's it :) | 15:27 |
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| jaypipes | n0ano: I personally do think that it would provide such a clean, separable interface. | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: +1 its a good first step, lets get an interface, before anyone mentions REST | 15:27 |
| jaypipes | oh yeah. totes. | 15:27 |
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| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, go away, too early for that :-) | 15:27 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: especially since the RPC API is alreaduy versioned. | 15:28 |
| PaulMurray | n0ano, I think we need to get this step right to determine exactly what is in the interface | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, its about getting the data versioned too | 15:28 |
| bauzas_ | update_resource_stats is not RPC versioned | 15:28 |
| PaulMurray | n0ano, the retry loop is killing us | 15:28 |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, what I'm hearing is that getting the claims right will ameliorate the retry loop | 15:28 |
| bauzas_ | n0ano: it will | 15:29 |
| PaulMurray | n0ano, I think so, I think (not used to long words) | 15:29 |
| bauzas_ | n0ano: because we're moving from a 2-step scheduling to what the community calls an "optimistic scheduler" | 15:29 |
| * n0ano likes to expand everyone thinking (and show off - sorry about that :-) | 15:30 | |
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| jaypipes | bauzas_: no, I meant the existing scheduler RPC API is versioned. | 15:30 |
| n0ano | anyway, the critical thing is the write up so... | 15:31 |
| bauzas_ | yeah I know what you meant | 15:31 |
| bauzas_ | jaypipes: ^ | 15:31 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: I will have it done by EOD today. | 15:31 |
| bauzas_ | jaypipes: I mean, select_destinations is actually an RPC versioned call | 15:31 |
| n0ano | #action jaypipes to writeup the claims process | 15:31 |
| bauzas_ | jaypipes: while update_resources_stats is just a DB call | 15:31 |
| jaypipes | might even have pretty pictures and diagrams :) | 15:31 |
| jaypipes | bauzas_: yes, understood. | 15:31 |
| bauzas_ | jaypipes: well, to be precise, a conductor call, so versioned anyway | 15:32 |
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| bauzas_ | anyway | 15:32 |
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| bauzas_ | n0ano: jaypipes: want me to restate the next steps ? | 15:32 |
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| bauzas_ | is that clear to everybody ? | 15:32 |
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| n0ano | bauzas_, can't hurt, to ahead | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | I still think we need all that DB split work we spoke about before though, unless I am missing something? | 15:32 |
| jaypipes | bauzas_: sure, go for it. | 15:33 |
| bauzas_ | johnthetubaguy: indeed, that's the last step | 15:33 |
| n0ano | s/to ahead/go ahead | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess maybe the solution looks slightly different | 15:33 |
| bauzas_ | johnthetubaguy: it will | 15:33 |
| bauzas_ | ok, let me restate | 15:33 |
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| bauzas_ | step #0 : Remove FK on ComputeNodes/Service | 15:33 |
| bauzas_ | step #1 : update_resource_stats provides ComputeNode object | 15:34 |
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| bauzas_ | step #2: build_request_sepc provides Request object | 15:34 |
| bauzas_ | step #3: add claims to objects | 15:34 |
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| bauzas_ | step #4 : call objects claims in select_destinations | 15:34 |
| bauzas_ | end. | 15:35 |
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| bauzas_ | so, johnthetubaguy, isolate-sched-db is based on these steps | 15:35 |
| bauzas_ | we should provide objects to the Scheduler | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, feels odd said like that, but anyways | 15:35 |
| jaypipes | bauzas_: that is my understanding | 15:35 |
| n0ano | and jaypipes will provide a writeup on how steps 3&4 work | 15:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think object vs db object might need claifying, vs dict vs object | 15:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but anyway, I will read the write up | 15:36 |
| bauzas_ | so, by saying that, update_resource_stats(Aggregate) | 15:36 |
| bauzas_ | so the Aggregate object is versioned | 15:36 |
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| bauzas_ | that's step 6 | 15:37 |
| n0ano | I would have said step 1.5 but either way | 15:37 |
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| bauzas_ | n0ano: step 3 and step 4 are mandatory | 15:38 |
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| bauzas_ | n0ano: because you have to claim to aggegates then | 15:38 |
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| n0ano | bauzas_, no argument | 15:38 |
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| * PaulMurray has to leave - will catch up later | 15:38 | |
| bauzas_ | PaulMurray: o/ | 15:39 |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, tnx for coming | 15:39 |
| n0ano | I'd prefer to continue this after we have the writeup so... | 15:39 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 15:39 |
| n0ano | any new items for today? | 15:39 |
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| n0ano | OK, let's close, good talking to everyone, we'll meet again next week | 15:40 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 9 15:40:59 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-09-09-15.00.html | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-09-09-15.00.txt | 15:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-09-09-15.00.log.html | 15:41 |
| bauzas_ | n0ano: thanks | 15:41 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting rally | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 9 17:03:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 17:03 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais msdubov olkonami oanufriev_ hii | 17:04 |
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| msdubov | boris-42 yep hi | 17:04 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42 hello | 17:05 |
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| oanufriev_ | hi | 17:05 |
| marcoemorais | hi | 17:06 |
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| olkonami | hi | 17:07 |
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| boris-42 | so let's start | 17:08 |
| boris-42 | #topic Rally info command | 17:08 |
| boris-42 | msdubov could you please share updates on that? | 17:08 |
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| msdubov | There were 2 updates this week regarding "rally info" | 17:09 |
| msdubov | 1. We did some refactoring (https://review.openstack.org/117836) | 17:09 |
| msdubov | 2. We added support for queries about deploy engines and server providers (https://review.openstack.org/116746) | 17:10 |
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| msdubov | and also updated docs for them so that e.g. "$ rally info find DevstackEngine" now shows something useful. | 17:10 |
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| msdubov | I think it's time to extend this command with new features | 17:11 |
| msdubov | https://trello.com/b/DoD8aeZy/rally | 17:11 |
| msdubov | ^ Here we have several tasks related to this command | 17:11 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov great work on that | 17:12 |
| boris-42 | anybody has some questions?) or everybody is watching apple presenatation?) | 17:12 |
| msdubov | lol | 17:12 |
| kevtsang_ | guilty | 17:13 |
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| boris-42 | okay let's move on next topic | 17:13 |
| boris-42 | #topic new rally-dsvm jobs output | 17:14 |
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| boris-42 | so basically I made a small html page | 17:15 |
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| boris-42 | so now output looks like http://logs.openstack.org/71/120071/3/check/gate-rally-dsvm-rally/f35a080/ | 17:15 |
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| boris-42 | which is nice | 17:15 |
| rediskin | true | 17:15 |
| boris-42 | ah that is already old one | 17:15 |
| andreykurilin | :D | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | soo | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | http://logs.openstack.org/82/120082/1/gate/gate-rally-dsvm-rally/d3521a2/ | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | this is actually current state | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin rediskin but we have issue | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | rediskin andreykurilin all performance jobs are still broken except rally one | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | rediskin andreykurilin https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120134/ | 17:17 |
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| boris-42 | ^ this should be the very last fix | 17:17 |
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| boris-42 | I added in dependcy patch (that removes plugins dir) | 17:17 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42, previous fix is not working? | 17:17 |
| boris-42 | so if it pass everything will work in other projects | 17:17 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin ya | 17:17 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin it fixes one and creates new bug | 17:17 |
| boris-42 | =) | 17:17 |
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| andreykurilin | (y) | 17:17 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin so I hope that will finally fix | 17:20 |
| boris-42 | #topic network crap | 17:20 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42, ok | 17:20 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin could you provide some info about network issues that we have | 17:20 |
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| rediskin | we have one bug with overlapped cidrs, and unfinished patch with network context | 17:21 |
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| rediskin | here is the fix for first one https://review.openstack.org/119787 | 17:21 |
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| rediskin | and here is second one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103306/ | 17:21 |
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| rediskin | i believe if we rebase second on first, all will be working | 17:22 |
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| rediskin | anyway we can merge first patch if there is someone to review it | 17:22 |
| andreykurilin | rediskin, i will test it tomorrow | 17:23 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin I will try to test today=) | 17:23 |
| rediskin | ok thanks | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | rediskin so first we are merging cidr, then neutron context | 17:24 |
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| boris-42 | network** | 17:24 |
| rediskin | boris-42: yes | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | rediskin ok we need to put on that high priority | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | rediskin cause a lot of people has issues with that stuff | 17:25 |
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| rediskin | boris-42: sure | 17:27 |
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| boris-42 | #topic update on LDAP support | 17:28 |
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| boris-42 | so https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/doc/feature_request/LDAP_support.rst | 17:29 |
| boris-42 | as we all know rally is creating users | 17:29 |
| boris-42 | and so if you are using LDAP with read only access | 17:29 |
| boris-42 | you won't be able to use it | 17:29 |
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| boris-42 | so we are working on this and recently we merged 2 patches | 17:29 |
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| boris-42 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116766/ | 17:30 |
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| boris-42 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117302/ | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | and now wee need to merge | 17:30 |
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| boris-42 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119344/ | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | ^ it adds validation that checks that everything is specified for benchmark | 17:31 |
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| boris-42 | Like we have deployment with (admin or users) or (admin + users context) or (users) | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | ^ depending on what we need actually | 17:31 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais ^ | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | so there will be one or two patches | 17:32 |
| msdubov | boris-42 So I believe you have to make only one small change for that patch to receive +2 from my side | 17:32 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov okay I'll do that | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | msdubov I was actually going to do that=) | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | so I'll need to do 2 more patches | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | 1) Passing from deployment users | 17:34 |
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| boris-42 | 2) Unify validation of benchmark scenarios and context | 17:34 |
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| boris-42 | ^ we will use the same validators | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | in context as in scenarios | 17:35 |
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| boris-42 | so there won't be duplication of code | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | msdubov rediskin andreykurilin ^ | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | ekarlso- ^ | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | Any questions? | 17:36 |
| andreykurilin | nope | 17:36 |
| msdubov | no | 17:36 |
| boris-42 | okay let's move to next topic then | 17:36 |
| oanufriev_ | no | 17:36 |
| boris-42 | #topic plugins documentation/samples/refactoring | 17:37 |
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| boris-42 | olkonami any updates? | 17:37 |
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| andreykurilin | guys, sorry, i need to leave this meeting:( bye | 17:38 |
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| olkonami | not yet, I hope will be soon | 17:38 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin ok | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | olkonami okay | 17:40 |
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| boris-42 | #topic open discussion | 17:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: rally)" | 17:40 | |
| boris-42 | olkonami oanufriev_ msdubov marcoemorais rediskin anything to discuss?) | 17:40 |
| msdubov | boris-42 1 small question | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | msdubov go on | 17:41 |
| msdubov | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/44/119344/3/check/gate-rally-docs/1ab8b99/doc/build/html/ | 17:41 |
| msdubov | It has a section at the bottom | 17:41 |
| msdubov | 1. Index | 17:41 |
| msdubov | 2. Module index | 17:41 |
| msdubov | 3. Search page | 17:42 |
| msdubov | Do we really need this? This seems to be a kind of standard thing | 17:42 |
| msdubov | But I believe nobody uses it | 17:42 |
| boris-42 | msdubov ya not sure that we need this | 17:42 |
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| msdubov | Search engine doesn't even work | 17:42 |
| msdubov | boris-42 okay thanks | 17:42 |
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| boris-42 | so if we don't have any questions let's just finish meeting | 17:44 |
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| boris-42 | see you guys | 17:44 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 17:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 9 17:44:38 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:44 |
| oanufriev_ | bye | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-09-09-17.03.html | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-09-09-17.03.txt | 17:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-09-09-17.03.log.html | 17:44 |
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| ayoung | YO! | 18:00 |
| henrynash | hi | 18:00 |
| ayoung | Keystone anyone? | 18:00 |
| dolphm | ayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, nkinder, lloydm, shrekuma, ksavich, hrybacki, rharwood, grantbow, vdreamarkitex, raildo, rodrigods, x-eye: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:00 |
| dstanek | o/ | 18:00 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: hi | 18:00 |
| stevemar | o/ | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | o\ | 18:00 |
| rharwood | o/ | 18:00 |
| gyee | \o | 18:00 |
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| ayoung | Oyez Oyez | 18:01 |
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| dolphm | #startmeeting keystone | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 9 18:02:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:02 |
| dolphm | #topic Spoilers | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | #info it's a watch | 18:02 |
| topol | o/ | 18:02 |
| dolphm | #topic Juno-3 | 18:02 |
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| bknudson | everybody is making watches now | 18:03 |
| bknudson | is it round at least? | 18:03 |
| dolphm | bknudson: no | 18:03 |
| dolphm | Congrats on Juno-3 everyone! not only did we manage to make juno-3, but we were actually the first project to be feature complete for juno :D | 18:03 |
| dolphm | so, THANK YOU EVERYONE! | 18:03 |
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| dolphm | (despite a 20+ hour gate for most of the week) | 18:03 |
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| bknudson | and the pip failures | 18:03 |
| topol | +++ | 18:03 |
| dolphm | bknudson: and a three fold increase in transient errors in the gate over the past 3 weeks :( | 18:04 |
| stevemar | yay! | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, can't let our track record of hitting the deadlines fall off. | 18:04 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: ;) | 18:04 |
| dolphm | even though we had two feature freeze exceptions going into RC1, they were both approved and gating long before juno-3 was cut :( | 18:05 |
| dolphm | like, 48 hours ahead | 18:05 |
| dolphm | sad | 18:05 |
| dolphm | anyway | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:05 |
| dolphm | #topic Juno RC1 | 18:05 |
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| dolphm | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 18:05 |
| topol | feels good to be complete | 18:05 |
| bknudson | what's the date on rc1? | 18:05 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: ASAP | 18:05 |
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| bknudson | 9-25 according to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 18:06 |
| ayoung | We need to remove the cinder and neutron jobs that have all of the transient errors. We should not be gating on them | 18:06 |
| dolphm | we've started our list of blockers to RC1, and thus the countdown to RC1... RC1 will be cut when everything on the list above is Fix Committed | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, but if we're good earlier we can get cut over and get to work on Kilo! | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | whoop! | 18:06 |
| dolphm | bknudson: 9/25 is the target | 18:06 |
| bknudson | let's stop finding bugs then | 18:06 |
| dolphm | bknudson: hopefully we'll be stable before then | 18:06 |
| nkinder | bknudson: easiest way to do that is to stop looking :) | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, that is a larger conversation - mostly around gate in general | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, that push (functional testing in-tree vs tempest) is looking like a K target across the projects (see ML threads) | 18:07 |
| ayoung | yep, just wanted to get it in the log | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | morganfainberg: do you have a link to that | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad, it's the "TC exercise one" give me a second | 18:07 |
| dolphm | i also resumed maintaining the same list as for RC1 blueprints... this time containing code reviews that are blockers for Juno-RC1: | 18:07 |
| bknudson | is there more info on the functional testing in-tree? | 18:07 |
| dolphm | #link https://gist.github.com/dolph/651c6a1748f69637abd0 | 18:07 |
| bknudson | I don't know what it means for keystone | 18:08 |
| ayoung | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1361422 is the only incomplete . I can take a look at triaging it | 18:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1361422 in keystone "When using Keystone API v3, catalog won't be returned" [High,Incomplete] | 18:08 |
| bknudson | since keystone isn't depending on other projs seems like there's nothing for us to do. | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, we're mostly there already. our restfultests are sortof what they're doing | 18:08 |
| ayoung | But it sure looks like a "using the service_token" problem | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, the integration will still be needed but some of the tests will move to functional in-tree (some of the failures are cinder specific for example) | 18:09 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: so it's not in a separate git repo? | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, nope. it would be (in our case) in keystone | 18:09 |
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| dstanek | morganfainberg: that's exactly what keystone.test.system should be used for! | 18:09 |
| dolphm | ayoung: thank you | 18:09 |
| amakarov | hi | 18:09 |
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| morganfainberg | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044766.html | 18:10 |
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| morganfainberg | that thread is part of it, there is also the other various threads that floated the ideas of funcitonal testing (like swift and neutron do) in-tree. | 18:10 |
| bknudson | I'm just worried given how much of a mess our tests are in already | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | and irc discussions. it's been floating around a lot | 18:11 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, basically the big change is we would have a full devstack to run our functional tests in. | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, but tempest is at it's limit. | 18:11 |
| bknudson | ohhh | 18:11 |
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| bknudson | I did try submitting some tempest tests but then this came up so I abandoned them. | 18:12 |
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| dolphm | i like the direction of this, but i wish we had seen it coming sooner as a community | 18:12 |
| bknudson | because it looks like they don't want keystone tests in tempest | 18:12 |
| dolphm | as an inevitable need | 18:12 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, yep, tempest should be for integration not functional is the general view i've seen | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | and i don't disagree. | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | our restful cases are clearly functional | 18:13 |
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| bknudson | morganfainberg: so you're saying our restful cases are changed to work against devstack keystone rather than the one started by test? | 18:14 |
| topol | morganfainberg, there would be *no* keystone tests in tempest??? | 18:14 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, i think we should have a functional tox target that makes it so they *can* run against a live keystone server in devstack | 18:15 |
| bknudson | topol: other projects will be using keystone but nothing specific to it. | 18:15 |
| dolphm | topol: no keystone-only tests in tempest -- just ones that require integration across multiple projects | 18:15 |
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| topol | dolphm, thanks, that helps | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, but i don't want to make it not possible to run under a local/non-devstack env. if that makes sense. (they might move out of py26/27) | 18:15 |
| bknudson | as part of another test they'll probably be adding users and validating tokens | 18:16 |
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| dolphm | the interesting twist for us is that we only really need to do integration tests with auth_token -- it doesn't matter what service is running behind auth_token, so it might as well be a trivial stub service that just returns 200's. or echo's your auth context back in a response body | 18:16 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: I think we have middleware tests that essentially do that. | 18:16 |
| ayoung | bknudson, yes, but middleware can't spin up a server | 18:17 |
| bknudson | it would be good to test with a real SSL connection | 18:18 |
| dolphm | ayoung: we *can* do that though | 18:18 |
| dolphm | echo wsgi app https://github.com/dolph/keystone-deploy/blob/master/playbooks/roles/http/templates/echo.py | 18:18 |
| ayoung | dolphm, good point. I should say "we don't spin up a server" | 18:18 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, my point was just that the middleware tests were using stubbed data | 18:18 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: ++ but we could make it a real service (albeit a trivial one) | 18:19 |
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| dolphm | we should move on ... | 18:19 |
| bknudson | we'll want tests with other openstack projects to ensure that we don't change the interface on them. | 18:19 |
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| dolphm | agree | 18:20 |
| dolphm | #topic meeting-topic bugs | 18:20 |
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| dolphm | so, trying a new thing: we have a new tag in LP on bugs that should be discussed during the weekly meeting | 18:20 |
| dolphm | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bugs?field.tag=meeting-topic | 18:21 |
| bknudson | handy! | 18:21 |
| dolphm | so, the question for most of these is "should it be a release blocker?" | 18:21 |
| dolphm | so, let's start with the two wishlist bugs, which i think can be discussed as one: | 18:21 |
| dolphm | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1331884 | 18:21 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1331884 in keystone "A V2 token from trust cannot be generated with user/pass" [Wishlist,In progress] | 18:21 |
| dolphm | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1331882 | 18:21 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1331882 in keystone "trustor_user_id not available in v2 trust token" [Wishlist,In progress] | 18:21 |
| dolphm | basically both of them are v2 API impacting | 18:22 |
| bknudson | I thought we deprecated it | 18:22 |
| dolphm | bknudson: v2? or v2 trusts? | 18:22 |
| bknudson | v2 api | 18:22 |
| dolphm | *pending* deprecation, still | 18:22 |
| dolphm | we reversed the deprecation near the icehouse release | 18:23 |
| stevemar | the changes for the trustor_user_id one look good to me | 18:23 |
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| stevemar | its pretty straightforward | 18:24 |
| stevemar | and i like the new bug tag :) | 18:24 |
| dolphm | given that this is API impacting, post FF, and it's on a completely undocumented API feature (v2 trusts), i'm inclined to bump to kilo or just leave it as Won't Fix | 18:24 |
| ayoung | How is trustor_user_id not available in v2 trust token? | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | is jamielennox around? | 18:24 |
| bknudson | neither of these look like things that obviously need to be blockers | 18:24 |
| jamielennox | lbragstad: yea, i'm watching | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | I believe he opened the bug originally | 18:25 |
| nkinder | bknudson: it was deprecated, then the deprecation was deprecated once everyone saw the logs being spammed with deprecation warnings | 18:25 |
| dolphm | ayoung: the bug description only has a trustee_user_id | 18:25 |
| ayoung | dolphm, no, I see that. I just find it hard to believe we missed that in testing, and it has gone this long. | 18:25 |
| stevemar | ayoung, it's missing impersonation too | 18:25 |
| jamielennox | i don't know if i have a strong opinion on whether we should fix it at this point, particularly post RC - it was just something i found | 18:25 |
| dolphm | ayoung: and the fact that it's gone on this long means it shouldn't be a blocker :) | 18:25 |
| dolphm | stevemar: ++ | 18:25 |
| stevemar | dolphm, good point | 18:26 |
| ayoung | I wonder if it happened when we moved this to the token provider? | 18:26 |
| topol | dolphm +++ good logic | 18:26 |
| jamielennox | right, no one has complained about it so it shouldn't be a blocker | 18:26 |
| ayoung | Um, what if it is a regression? | 18:26 |
| stevemar | ayoung, wouldn't the tests have spotted that? | 18:26 |
| dolphm | stevemar: v2 trusts are untested, AFAIK | 18:26 |
| jamielennox | stevemar cracks me up | 18:27 |
| stevemar | womp womp | 18:27 |
| bknudson | even if they're not blockers we can still approve them? | 18:27 |
| ayoung | stevemar, not if we missed it | 18:27 |
| dolphm | v2 trusts are basically not supported | 18:27 |
| stevemar | jamielennox, :D | 18:27 |
| dolphm | bknudson: i'd like to -2 both of these until kilo -- unless someone wants to champion for these | 18:27 |
| stevemar | then i don't think it's a regression if it's not supported | 18:27 |
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| lbragstad | hard to disagree with that | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | how far are we willing to go with v2 trusts it at all | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | i mean if they are "unsupported" ... do we even *want* to support them? | 18:28 |
| gyee | isn't HEAT use v2 trust? | 18:29 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee, v3 | 18:29 |
| gyee | ah | 18:29 |
| bknudson | would be safer from security perspective to remove support | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, afaik they use all v3 for that stuff | 18:29 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: well, we haven't supported them since the implementation AFAIK ... i don't see a reason to change that in the middle of feature freeze | 18:29 |
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| ayoung | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/token/providers/common.py#n87 | 18:29 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: probably so, but we also have a flag to disable trusts altogether | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i mean in K, i wouldn't remove them now. | 18:29 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: ++ | 18:29 |
| ayoung | dolphm, lets allow a fix for the V2 token/trust thing | 18:30 |
| ayoung | yeah, there are enough people stuck on V2 that theyr are going to end up using the trusts anyway | 18:30 |
| ayoung | just without all of the data needed for audit | 18:30 |
| dolphm | ayoung: the fixes for these are far from trivial | 18:30 |
| ayoung | the fix is minimal | 18:30 |
| bknudson | here's the fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101829/ ? | 18:30 |
| dolphm | like this mammoth function: _deal_with_trust_scope(): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112230/4/keystone/token/controllers.py | 18:30 |
| topol | ayoung, why woulkdnt we be pushing them to V3? | 18:30 |
| dolphm | topol: this isn't an issue in v3 | 18:31 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, pushing users to v3 | 18:31 |
| dolphm | topol: or is that what you're suggesting | 18:31 |
| dolphm | gotcha | 18:31 |
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| bknudson | I was +2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101829/ a few times already. | 18:31 |
| topol | +++ pushing!!! | 18:31 |
| stevemar | to be fair, the first change was made in june, and yeah bknudson was +2 on it | 18:31 |
| ayoung | I wasn't added to it...sorry I missed it. The fix looks good. | 18:32 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, oh gah that method... | 18:32 |
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| bknudson | so assuming it hasn't changed much approve and have the fix | 18:32 |
| ayoung | dolphm, you have any real problem with me +2Aing that one? | 18:32 |
| topol | have any of the other integrated projects adopetd V3 this time around? | 18:32 |
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| bknudson | topol: even keystonemiddleware doesn't really support v3 | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | I can take another look at it too, I had eyes on it before | 18:33 |
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| nkinder | heat is v3 (for trusts), right? | 18:33 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I'm going to +2. You can take it from there | 18:33 |
| dolphm | ayoung: if it's introducing a risk, then yes. i haven't reviewed either | 18:33 |
| jamielennox | that looks pretty good - i'd be inclined to approve the v2 trust fix given it's been there so long | 18:33 |
| nkinder | or am I mistaken? | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, correct, this is unrelated to heat | 18:33 |
| ayoung | dolphm, Its adding data to the token, but it is passing tempest. Not sure that there is any more risk including it than leaving it out | 18:33 |
| ayoung | heat might need to use V2 tokens for a service that is V2 only, but someone obviously saw this | 18:34 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg: userstood. Just responding to topol's question about v3 usage | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, adding the data isn't a big change tbh. the other one is | 18:34 |
| ayoung | "the other one?" | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112230/4 the trust review | 18:34 |
| ayoung | ah | 18:35 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I'd be OK passing on that one | 18:35 |
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| lbragstad | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1331884 | 18:35 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1331884 in keystone "A V2 token from trust cannot be generated with user/pass" [Wishlist,In progress] | 18:35 |
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| dolphm | so definitely hold https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112230/ for kilo? | 18:36 |
| dolphm | that's much more wishlisty | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, yes | 18:36 |
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| lbragstad | ok, I'll remove the meeting-topic tag from https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1331882 and leave a comment on the bug report? | 18:36 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1331882 in keystone "trustor_user_id not available in v2 trust token" [Wishlist,In progress] | 18:36 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: thanks | 18:37 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: i already commented on the bug | 18:37 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: err patch | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | cool | 18:37 |
| ayoung | dolphm, or even mark "won't fix" | 18:37 |
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| ayoung | I am not certain I want 112230 | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | i'd be ok with wont fixing it. | 18:38 |
| dolphm | me too | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | i'm inclined to say it's new functionality and we're not adding functionality to v2 | 18:38 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i'll let you dive into that - i at least want to hold it for kilo for now | 18:38 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: certainly is | 18:38 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, dolphm, ++ | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: did you publish? | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: oops, wrong review | 18:39 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: i was thinking i commented on the wrong review :) | 18:39 |
| stevemar | lbragstad, dolphm fyi added another bug to the meeting topic list | 18:40 |
| dolphm | one more wishlist bug that i just added meeting-topic to before we get into bugs: | 18:40 |
| dolphm | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1350273 | 18:40 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1350273 in keystone "Filtering services by name doesn't work" [Wishlist,In progress] | 18:40 |
| dolphm | stevemar: ack | 18:40 |
| lbragstad | cool, I'll update the consensus of the other trust bug too | 18:40 |
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| dolphm | i actually thought this merged awhile back, and it just slipped under my redar | 18:40 |
| dolphm | it seems like a safe add (it's a read-only api feature), made all of our deadlines, but was just forgotten about | 18:41 |
| dolphm | anyone want to save it for kilo? | 18:41 |
| dolphm | i'll take that as a no | 18:42 |
| stevemar | seems like a kilo move | 18:42 |
| dolphm | stevemar: ? | 18:42 |
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| stevemar | dolphm, seems like even more impact than the trustor_id one | 18:43 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: want to hold it for kilo then? | 18:44 |
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| stevemar | thats my vote, i'll let others weigh in | 18:44 |
| ayoung | its 5 lines of real code, and a slew of testing | 18:44 |
| stevemar | well, i guess most of the changes are in tests | 18:44 |
| stevemar | ayoung, yeah, just realized that now | 18:44 |
| jamielennox | i'm ok with this - particularly since we've already merged the corresponding identity-api review | 18:45 |
| henrynash | dolphm: I vote for putting it in | 18:45 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110904/5/keystone/common/sql/core.py,cm that is the real change | 18:45 |
| ayoung | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110904/5/keystone/catalog/controllers.py,cm | 18:45 |
| ayoung | yeah....lets merge this one | 18:45 |
| stevemar | meh, lets do it | 18:45 |
| dolphm | let's *review* it then | 18:45 |
| ayoung | need to look at the tests, but the real code looks good | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | updating the bug report | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | this looks like a legitimate bug, and a trivial fix (in code) - tests less trivial but def. reviewable | 18:46 |
| dolphm | i'll give it til the end of the week to get gating -- if it's not approved by then, i'll hold it for kilo | 18:46 |
| ayoung | dolphm, let rephrase to avoid upsetting sensibilities; lets *allow the* merge of this one | 18:46 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: CADF one? | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ++ | 18:47 |
| stevemar | dolphm, yep | 18:47 |
| dolphm | stevemar: can you set the priority on that? | 18:47 |
| dolphm | oh this is brad's one | 18:47 |
| jamielennox | it seems to me like the service_name one is missing a controller component? where's the python side filtering happening? | 18:47 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: in the decorator implementation, IIRC? | 18:48 |
| dolphm | stevemar: i'm happy to see this happen in juno | 18:48 |
| dstanek | are there a lot of services in a real implementation? | 18:49 |
| bknudson | I like that there was already a todo for it. | 18:49 |
| dstanek | this would basically always download the table and filter in the app | 18:49 |
| stevemar | dolphm, yeah, if we take that out, metering ceilometer for authN events becomes much easier | 18:49 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: good to note | 18:49 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: i don't remember the decorator actually doing filtering, it was just a policy tie-in | 18:49 |
| stevemar | dolphm, i was thinking, maybe a potential backport to icehouse | 18:49 |
| dolphm | stevemar: that i wouldn't want to do :( | 18:50 |
| jamielennox | (maybe i'm wrong and i did a lot of stuff manually i didn't need to do ) | 18:50 |
| stevemar | dolphm, just putting it out there | 18:50 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: hmm... worth looking into. henrynash surely knows the answer though | 18:51 |
| henrynash | jamielennox: fitering is down is wrap_collection | 18:51 |
| ayoung | 9 minutes | 18:51 |
| dolphm | eek | 18:51 |
| henrynash | (done in) | 18:51 |
| ayoung | want to reserve 5 for the Kerberos issue, please | 18:52 |
| dolphm | so, three more bugs that aren't wishlisty, so this is just deciding if they should be RC blockers or not | 18:52 |
| dolphm | ayoung: these should be quick | 18:52 |
| dolphm | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1313956 | 18:52 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1313956 in keystone "Keystone adds role to non-existing user in specific tenant by API" [Medium,Triaged] | 18:52 |
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| dolphm | this is the one we've gone back and forth on ^ | 18:52 |
| bknudson | dolphm: what's the proposed fix/ | 18:53 |
| bknudson | ? | 18:53 |
| bknudson | change v2 or change v3? | 18:53 |
| jamielennox | henrynash: oh - cool i'd never seen that, there might be some code i can pull out.. | 18:53 |
| dolphm | patch is in review, but abandoned https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93982/ | 18:53 |
| bknudson | both of these seem like a bad idea | 18:53 |
| ayoung | I say "won't fix" | 18:53 |
| dolphm | bknudson: both | 18:53 |
| ayoung | for SAML and the multi-backend patch we don't necessarily know all of the userids that will be possible | 18:54 |
| dolphm | ayoung: will you mark the bug as such with an explanation? | 18:54 |
| ayoung | lets at least punt on the fix for this release. | 18:54 |
| ayoung | Will do | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | the only counterpoint to ayoung is that we don't allow assignments to federated users. | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, ++ punt to Kilo at the least. | 18:54 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, LDAP is not federated though | 18:54 |
| dolphm | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1326421 | 18:54 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1326421 in keystone "No endpoint ID in v3 KVS or templated catalog" [Medium,Triaged] | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, ah, right. | 18:54 |
| bknudson | oh, I thought this was talking about some kind of _member_ role. | 18:55 |
| dolphm | this is going to be a mess to fix -- basically requires rewriting the KVS driver to be v3 ish | 18:55 |
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| dolphm | i'd rather not do that for RC | 18:55 |
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| jamielennox | ++ | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ++ i'd like to deprecate the templated backend tbh. but .... | 18:55 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: unlses the client is going to choke somewhere without that attr? | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, and templated goes away so can kvs | 18:55 |
| bknudson | people love templated backend | 18:56 |
| dolphm | and the last one: | 18:56 |
| dolphm | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1346211 | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i don't have the foggiest why. | 18:56 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1346211 in keystone "keystone under apache can't handle request chunking" [Low,Triaged] | 18:56 |
| bknudson | but it needs a v3 rewrite | 18:56 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: not off the top of my head | 18:56 |
| bknudson | it's fast | 18:56 |
| dolphm | this is a long discussion, and the short of it is that keystone doesn't support chunking and we should document that | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, we could improve the SQL one similarly. | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ++ that is a mod_Wsgi thing | 18:56 |
| ayoung | Defer on chunking. Needs an Apache fix to be viable, as Morgan comments in the bug report | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, actually it is a wsgi spec issue | 18:57 |
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| ayoung | that too | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, "wont fix" + doc is correct | 18:57 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:57 |
| dolphm | anyone want to volunteer to write a one sentence doc for this for juno? otherwise, i'll defer to kilo | 18:57 |
| ayoung | OK...Kerberos in 2 minutes? | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i'll add a 1 liner | 18:57 |
| dolphm | sold | 18:57 |
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| dolphm | #topic kerberos | 18:57 |
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| ayoung | Here's the deal with Kerberos: we want it to be everywhere, but accept that adding an additional Binary dependency is not appropriate | 18:58 |
| ayoung | (Kerberos should be done with native libraries) | 18:58 |
| ayoung | this is explicitly a client issue, BTW | 18:58 |
| ayoung | so... | 18:58 |
| ayoung | where should the Kerberos Auth plugin live, then? | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, as an entry point | 18:58 |
| jamielennox | python-keystoneclient-kerberos | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, ++ | 18:59 |
| bknudson | stackforge? | 18:59 |
| ayoung | In KC, but with out the requirements.txt entry | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, in a separate module. | 18:59 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, no | 18:59 |
| ayoung | I think in the KC repo, but released a s a separate module yes. | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, separate module, separate pacakge | 18:59 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: new repo? | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, new repo. | 18:59 |
| jamielennox | yea, i looked into that before, pip doesn't handle having mutliple packages come out of the same repo well | 18:59 |
| ayoung | why is that the answer? It seems like a waste of effort? | 18:59 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: ++ pbr says that's a no-go | 19:00 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, makeing separate packages from one repo is really really ugly | 19:00 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, so is splitting code out into its own repo, but for different reasons | 19:00 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, pbr also will have issues with separating packages | 19:00 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, we want to be able to ship it in a single package downstream | 19:00 |
| jamielennox | i think the same thing should be done for the federation work in client that requires lxml that people got annoyed by | 19:00 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, are we going to have a separate repo for Federation, too? | 19:01 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i would advocate non-standard plugins should all be separate repos | 19:01 |
| jamielennox | time | 19:01 |
| ayoung | THis sounds like what the Nova folks are dealing with the drivers | 19:01 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: but yes | 19:01 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, Kerberos should be come a standard driver | 19:01 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, if it has binary deps that cannot be installed everywhere, no. | 19:01 |
| dolphm | and that's the nova discussion | 19:01 |
| dolphm | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 9 19:01:37 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-09-09-18.02.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-09-09-18.02.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-09-09-18.02.log.html | 19:01 |
| anteaya | o/ | 19:01 |
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| fungi | howdy | 19:01 |
| nibalizer | o/ | 19:02 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:02 |
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| sdake_ | o/ | 19:02 |
| jesusaurus | o/ | 19:02 |
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| mordred | morganfainberg, ayoung: multiple packages from one repo is a no-go for many more reasons than just pbr | 19:02 |
| morganfainberg | mordred, ++ | 19:02 |
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| jroll | \o | 19:02 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, take it to #openstack-keystone? | 19:03 |
| mordred | just fyi - it's basically so massively large of a problem that it's 100% unlikely to be solvable unless we rewrote ALL of the project infrastructure completely from scratch | 19:03 |
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| morganfainberg | mordred, good to know | 19:03 |
| mordred | :) | 19:03 |
| mordred | I support your kerberizing things, btw | 19:03 |
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| jeblair | (and it's not just us) | 19:03 |
| jeblair | integrating with other tools is tricky too | 19:04 |
| jeblair | anyway... | 19:04 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 9 19:04:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:04 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 19:04 |
| jeblair | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-09-02-19.01.html | 19:04 |
| fungi | (and now for something completely different) | 19:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 19:04 |
| jeblair | #topic Priority Specs (jeblair) | 19:04 |
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| krtaylor | o/ | 19:04 |
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| pleia2 | o/ | 19:04 |
| jeblair | hey, so we like totally merged those specs | 19:04 |
| jesusaurus | yay | 19:05 |
| jeblair | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/ | 19:05 |
| fungi | showed them what's for | 19:05 |
| nibalizer | yay! | 19:05 |
| clarkb | o/ | 19:05 |
| pleia2 | yay | 19:05 |
| nibalizer | also i have a todo to update my license | 19:05 |
| nibalizer | because i screwed that up | 19:05 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:05 |
| fungi | nibalizer: you're no longer licensed? | 19:06 |
| jeblair | i think the thing to do now with this time is to start tracking implementation of those and other important things we're working on | 19:06 |
| nibalizer | fungi: i need to be re-registered in oregon | 19:06 |
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| anteaya | an unlicensed nibalizer | 19:06 |
| jeblair | (we have a few things in progress that predate specs but probably would have been) | 19:06 |
| nibalizer | a review to split out a module: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119543/ | 19:06 |
| jeblair | i'm thinking specifically about puppet 3 migration, config repo split, nodepool dib, logs in swift, docs publishing | 19:06 |
| fungi | ...finishing moving jobs to trusty | 19:07 |
| jeblair | fungi: right, the 34 work is in service of that, right? | 19:07 |
| fungi | yeah | 19:07 |
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| fungi | or did you mean specifically things that are already specs? | 19:07 |
| jeblair | fungi: nope, including something big that's pre-spec like that is good | 19:08 |
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| jeblair | fungi: i want to make sure we make forward progress on our priorities, and that we're good at communicating those | 19:08 |
| fungi | right, that. i just reread your list ;) | 19:08 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:08 |
| jeblair | and i think moving to trusty is one of our priorities | 19:08 |
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| jeblair | so maybe next week we should expect to have agenda items for each of those | 19:09 |
| fungi | sounds like a good idea | 19:09 |
| jeblair | we'll need to coordinate with jhesketh on logs/swift, or potentially have a meeting annex later in the day | 19:09 |
| anteaya | sounds like a candidate for an action item | 19:09 |
| * nibalizer can keep updates for puppet3 migration as that goes forward | 19:09 | |
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| jeblair | since that's already on todays agenda, and we have a looming deadline, let's go ahead and switch to that | 19:10 |
| jeblair | #topic Puppet 3 Migration | 19:11 |
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| * mordred welcomes his puppet3 overlords | 19:11 | |
| * anteaya is curious aboaut the looming deadline | 19:11 | |
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| nibalizer | so sept 30 is the day puppet 2.7 goes EOL | 19:11 |
| anteaya | that would be it | 19:11 |
| mordred | oh crikey | 19:11 |
| nibalizer | jeblair: has stated that we will not run puppet if its eol | 19:11 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:11 |
| nibalizer | there is a patchset chain that paves the way for us to build a p3 master | 19:12 |
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| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117604/ | 19:12 |
| anteaya | that is exactly 3 weeks from today | 19:12 |
| nibalizer | after that rooters can run nodes against the p3 master with --noop and inspect the breakage | 19:12 |
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| nibalizer | it may be possible to move many nodes over immediately, others may require some refactors | 19:12 |
| clarkb | looks like the beginning of that stack has merged | 19:12 |
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| clarkb | nibalizer: did the gerrit change merge? | 19:12 |
| clarkb | have a link to that one handy? | 19:13 |
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| nibalizer | also there is a tool in puppet that lets us generate catalogs, so we could generate 2.7 and 3 catalogs and diff them | 19:13 |
| jesusaurus | we could also create puppet3 nodes to run the apply test on to inspect breakage | 19:13 |
| nibalizer | and wikipedia built a tool to operationalize that as a websevice, i have no experience with either | 19:13 |
| nibalizer | jesusaurus: i created https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107250/ but got stuck on 'how do i jjb' | 19:13 |
| anteaya | any current insurmountable obstacles? | 19:14 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: the gerrit change did not merge i think, but it isn't required, those are only deprecation warnings | 19:14 |
| * jesusaurus looks at 107250 | 19:14 | |
| clarkb | nibalizer: oh right | 19:14 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107243/ | 19:14 |
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| clarkb | sounds like reviewing the remainder of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117604/ then getting 107250 going are the next steps? | 19:15 |
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| nibalizer | at any rate i think getting the chain that ends at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117604/ to a place where it can land, then landing it, then building the p3 master should be our top priorities | 19:15 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: sounds good; maybe we can get that merged this afternoon and i can spin up a p3 master again | 19:16 |
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| nibalizer | jeblair: that would be great | 19:16 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: given we have 3 weeks to finish this, where do you want to be by next week? | 19:16 |
| nibalizer | anteaya: with a p3 master up, and rooters checking nodes with noop | 19:16 |
| jeblair | ++ | 19:16 |
| anteaya | kk | 19:17 |
| * fungi volunteers to help test | 19:17 | |
| nibalizer | if we dont have a p3 master by next meeting, thats an oshitsignal | 19:17 |
| jeblair | indeed | 19:17 |
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| fungi | the sooner we get the easy bits out of the way, the more time we have left to fix the harder stuff | 19:17 |
| nibalizer | exactly | 19:17 |
| clarkb | sounds good to me | 19:18 |
| nibalizer | i dont want to burn meeting time theorizing what the hard bugs would be, but yea | 19:18 |
| jeblair | if we have to prioritize nodes, we can do so for the gerrit/jenkins/zuul conglomerate | 19:18 |
| nibalizer | ya | 19:18 |
| jeblair | those are the ones we want to keep updating with the puppetmaster | 19:18 |
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| jeblair | if paste loses its connection to puppet27 master, we'll live :) | 19:18 |
| nibalizer | the storyboard node, the puppetdb node those machines could have puppet just disabled on them | 19:18 |
| anteaya | does the -dev ml need a heads up or just announce once it is completed? | 19:18 |
| jeblair | anteaya: this should be invisible to developers | 19:19 |
| anteaya | very good | 19:19 |
| fungi | i don't think the -dev subscribers are likely to particularly care unless we break something | 19:19 |
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| clarkb | ya this should be a backend chagne no one ever knows we made | 19:19 |
| jeblair | anything else on puppet3? | 19:19 |
| clarkb | unless they are reconsuming our puppet so maybe a note to the infra list | 19:20 |
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| anteaya | yeah, ci might care | 19:20 |
| nibalizer | nothing else on p3 | 19:20 |
| jeblair | #topic Manila project renaming (fungi, bswartz) | 19:20 |
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| jeblair | fungi: istr you communicated with someone about this? | 19:21 |
| fungi | i talked to vponomaryov1 and he said it would be fine for us to just pick a date/time and then give the manila devs a heads up on the -dev ml | 19:21 |
| fungi | and bswartz later agreed when he popped in to ask an unrelated question | 19:21 |
| fungi | so... do we want to rename this weekend? hold off until there are other things we need to add to the pile? | 19:21 |
| fungi | do it on a friday now that ff is behind us? | 19:22 |
| clarkb | this weekend is hard for me to do. but I won't stop you guys from doing it | 19:22 |
| fungi | though the gate still is a bit submerged | 19:22 |
| mordred | this weekend is also tough for me | 19:22 |
| fungi | hopefully by later this week it will have lightened up considerably | 19:22 |
| jeblair | so friday or kick it down the road | 19:22 |
| mordred | although I could do sunday before noon central time | 19:22 |
| fungi | i'm honestly fine either way, just want to make sure it doesn't fall through the cracks indefinitely | 19:23 |
| fungi | sounds like maybe we should just revisit next week | 19:23 |
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| anteaya | I'm for later, since p3 testing this week sounds like a priorty | 19:23 |
| anteaya | and might leak into friday | 19:23 |
| jeblair | okay, let's kick it down the road and see what sept 19-21 ends up looking like | 19:24 |
| fungi | yeah, table it for now | 19:24 |
| jeblair | or shelve it | 19:24 |
| jeblair | #topic Fedora/Centos testing updates (ianw 09-09-2014) | 19:24 |
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| ianw | hey | 19:24 |
| ianw | firstly nodepool | 19:25 |
| ianw | wondering if any thoughts on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118939/ (Ignore min-ready when at capacity) | 19:25 |
| jeblair | ianw: cool, we should look at that since it may help with operational problems; sorry i haven't had a chance | 19:26 |
| ianw | ok | 19:26 |
| jeblair | ianw: we did reduce min-ready to minimize that problem, but i'd like to put it back | 19:26 |
| jeblair | i think we may need to do a nodepool restart soon to help mordred with the dib work | 19:26 |
| mordred | jeblair: dib work schmib work | 19:27 |
| jeblair | so maybe we can try to push on that review and maybe get it in too | 19:27 |
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| ianw | on the bare-f20 nodes, last week was happy to wait for postgresql puppet release to enable these nodes, but that didn't happen | 19:27 |
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| ianw | https://review.openstack.org/117397 and dependent | 19:27 |
| clarkb | ianw: ya we should probably just go ahead with the git installed version | 19:27 |
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| nibalizer | so my concern with that is that it will break the puppetdb server | 19:28 |
| nibalizer | but that wouldn't actually break anything else i think | 19:28 |
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| clarkb | nibalizer: because puppetdb uses postgres? | 19:28 |
| clarkb | arg | 19:28 |
| nibalizer | im +1 on the change | 19:29 |
| nibalizer | like lets do it | 19:29 |
| nibalizer | if it breaks, chances are good it would have broken on the stable release anyways | 19:29 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: what do we need to do to fix puppetdb? and will it be puppetdb the service or just puppeting of puppetdb | 19:29 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: you don't think it will break the postgres testing on the gate workers? | 19:29 |
| nibalizer | jeblair: ianw said he tested that | 19:29 |
| jeblair | rock on | 19:29 |
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| nibalizer | also why did they take the travis badge off the postgres module? shame? | 19:30 |
| mordred | nibalizer: maybe travis ran out of nodes | 19:30 |
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| nibalizer | but the little travis.png isn't on their readme | 19:30 |
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| * anteaya is amazed to see jeblair type rock on | 19:30 | |
| fungi | mordred: you said we have more than twice the test capacity of travis at this point? | 19:30 |
| nibalizer | hax: https://travis-ci.org/puppetlabs/puppetlabs-postgresql | 19:31 |
| nibalizer | okay so yea tests are green | 19:31 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: is it puppetdb the service that will break or puppeting of puppetdb server? | 19:31 |
| * fungi keeps meaning to find out where you got the capacity info for travis, but can defer that discussion to not-meeting | 19:31 | |
| clarkb | nibalizer: because puppetdb the service breaking completely hoses all of puppet | 19:31 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: i can run the beaker tests locally for the puppet module | 19:32 |
| nibalizer | that will give us "high confidence" that the git version is not busted | 19:32 |
| clarkb | I thought it aws busted? | 19:32 |
| nibalizer | since thats essentially what puppetlabs does to vet a release | 19:32 |
| clarkb | I am confused | 19:32 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: i see green in the travis | 19:32 |
| clarkb | basically what I want to prevent is that our puppetdb will break | 19:32 |
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| clarkb | bceause that breaks everything | 19:32 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: no i getcha | 19:32 |
| ianw | clarkb: busted for fedora 20 | 19:32 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: ok. earlier you said puppetdb would break | 19:33 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: it might | 19:33 |
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| nibalizer | idunno, i cant answer for all potentialities | 19:33 |
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| clarkb | thats fine but earlier you made it sound more definitel | 19:33 |
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| nibalizer | i was just calling out it as a dependency | 19:34 |
| jeblair | okay, so it sounds like we're ready to try to collapse that wave function! | 19:34 |
| ianw | so what was the conclusion? | 19:35 |
| fungi | give it a shot | 19:35 |
| nibalizer | i think we should merge it | 19:35 |
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| nibalizer | clarkb: if postgres really does crap itself we can switch puppetdb to use the in memory database until we fix postgres | 19:35 |
| nibalizer | but i dont think that will happen | 19:35 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: ok. | 19:35 |
| clarkb | ianw: nibalizer: is that git sha1 the one we want to use still? | 19:35 |
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| clarkb | I assume that is the one that was tested so probably | 19:36 |
| ianw | clarkb: that is the one i tested and got a good run with on f20 ... | 19:36 |
| clarkb | great | 19:36 |
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| clarkb | last question. :) should we remove the regular module install from install_modules.sh? | 19:37 |
| clarkb | I think its ok as is but will end up doing more work | 19:37 |
| nibalizer | i think we want to use a1edd262d84f97a33ff64b8c542cffc5fa6d98c1 | 19:37 |
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| nibalizer | oh i hadn't thought that ianw had done testing | 19:37 |
| clarkb | ianw: see inline comment on the change otherwise I agree lets do this | 19:38 |
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| jeblair | seems like we should get rid of the regular module? | 19:38 |
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| clarkb | ya I think it is most correct to do so | 19:38 |
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| nibalizer | +1 to deleting the regular module | 19:39 |
| nibalizer | ianw: how hard was testing the new postgres module with the rax node you used? | 19:39 |
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| ianw | nibalizer: not super hard | 19:40 |
| nibalizer | okay, can you test on the tip of master then? it looks like hunner fixed the tests, since they are passing and the patch is called 'patch specs' | 19:40 |
| ianw | nibalizer: i can, but i wouldn't like to be having this same discussion next week... | 19:41 |
| ianw | ok, review updated with that removal | 19:42 |
| nibalizer | that makes sense | 19:42 |
| nibalizer | consensu is important | 19:42 |
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| jeblair | so maybe lets go ahead and merge with the tested change, and maybe ianw can also test master if he has a chance | 19:42 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:42 |
| jeblair | that will hopefully help us avoid breakage as they get closer to release | 19:43 |
| ianw | i can do that | 19:43 |
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| nibalizer | yea lets merge ianw's change | 19:43 |
| ianw | i've been keeping the centos7 images up-to-date https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118246/ (Update to newer Centos7 images) | 19:43 |
| ianw | in disk-image-builder | 19:44 |
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| ianw | reviews are a little slow | 19:44 |
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| ianw | last time i added -core to it, and got back responses like "don't add core to changes" | 19:44 |
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| ianw | why this matters for infra is if d-i-b is a key part of nodepool, getting changes through in a timely manner is important | 19:45 |
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| sdake_ | ianw that always annoyed me- reason being it means the change effects all of core and should be voted on by the entire cor eteam | 19:45 |
| mordred | nod | 19:45 |
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| sdake_ | that was "core" concept of it but no talways how people use it | 19:45 |
| jeblair | ianw: indeed, using dib was supposed to free us from having to wait for operators to upgrade | 19:45 |
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| clarkb | it is always interesting to see how groups use errit differently | 19:46 |
| ianw | sdake_: so my opinion is a bit different, if you're part of -core then i feel like you should be interested in all changes. but yeah, different groups, etc | 19:47 |
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| clarkb | ianw: ++ | 19:47 |
| fungi | i honestly mostly don't notice if authors add me as a reviewer on changes (at least insofar as it would affect the urgency of review) | 19:47 |
| jeblair | fungi: indeed, gertty lacks that 'feature' :) | 19:48 |
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| fungi | ;) | 19:48 |
| ianw | well either way, timely sync between d-i-b and infra seems like it's going to be of increasing importance | 19:48 |
| clarkb | ianw: indeed | 19:48 |
| jeblair | ianw: thanks for mentioning it though; we'll want to keep an eye on that | 19:48 |
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| wenlock | cd | 19:49 |
| wenlock | mt | 19:49 |
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| ianw | alright, well not much else for me, thanks | 19:50 |
| jeblair | ianw: thanks! | 19:50 |
| jeblair | #topic Open discussion | 19:50 |
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| pleia2 | yolanda and I are giving some OpenStack CI talks at Fossetcon late this week (Friday and Saturday), if we could get our changes slides in so they're published by then it would be very helpful, particularly for yolanda's since no version is up on the publications site yet (my sysadmin ones are close enough) https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/publications,n,z | 19:50 |
| pleia2 | also, this means I'm gone tomorrow - next tuesday, will be back on Wednesday | 19:50 |
| clarkb | pleia2: have fun | 19:50 |
| pleia2 | thanks :) forecast is hot and muggy, woo florida | 19:51 |
| anteaya | enjoy yourself | 19:51 |
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| anteaya | I'll be away tomorrow and intermittent on Thursday, personal errands | 19:51 |
| * jeblair subscribes to publications. oops. | 19:51 | |
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| * mordred mocks jeblair | 19:51 | |
| * jeblair wonders if mordred's mocking covers all interfaces | 19:52 | |
| * mordred segfaults | 19:52 | |
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| jesusaurus | lol | 19:52 |
| nibalizer | pleia2: gl! | 19:52 |
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| clarkb | if all goesaccording to plan I will be working from a new place in oregon next week | 19:53 |
| pleia2 | nibalizer: thanks, I'll bug you when I'm back to review some puppetconf slides :) | 19:53 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:53 |
| clarkb | so I may be working off of a phone tether for a bit | 19:53 |
| anteaya | clarkb: happy transfer | 19:53 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: yay, congrats | 19:53 |
| mordred | clarkb: just wander over to puppetlabs and steal wifi from them | 19:53 |
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| anteaya | that leaves zaro alone in an office, yeah? | 19:53 |
| nibalizer | pleia2: are you speaking at puppetconf!? puppetconf is gonna be siiiiiick | 19:53 |
| clarkb | with krotscheck | 19:53 |
| pleia2 | nibalizer: I am! | 19:53 |
| krotscheck | Wait, wha? | 19:54 |
| mordred | anteaya: nah, jesusaurus and krotscheck are there ... unless jesusaurus is back to portland too... | 19:54 |
| clarkb | and i have to run now to dlea with apartment stuff back shortly | 19:54 |
| jesusaurus | mordred: not yet. but im aiming at heading that way in november | 19:54 |
| krotscheck | Oh. Yes. I’ll be in the office. | 19:54 |
| anteaya | ah cool, glad zaro still has company | 19:54 |
| anteaya | krotscheck: great | 19:54 |
| mordred | krotscheck: soon it will just be you and zaro up in there | 19:54 |
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| anteaya | in an office with tables where the pencils roll off | 19:55 |
| nibalizer | but PDX will be full of awesome people | 19:55 |
| mordred | nibalizer: _full_ is a strong word | 19:55 |
| mordred | nibalizer: there will be a cadre of awesome people and then a bunch of hipsters ... | 19:55 |
| krotscheck | mordred: s/awesome people/hipsters/ | 19:55 |
| mordred | :) | 19:55 |
| jeblair | is discussion of hipsters the natural terminus for all our conversations? | 19:56 |
| jeblair | think about that over the next week | 19:56 |
| anteaya | +1 | 19:56 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 19:56 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 19:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 9 19:56:43 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-09-09-19.04.html | 19:56 |
| mordred | jeblair: is that niwdog's rule? | 19:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-09-09-19.04.txt | 19:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-09-09-19.04.log.html | 19:56 |
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| ttx | Anyone here for the TC meeting ? | 20:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:00 |
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| devananda | o/ | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | \o/ | 20:00 |
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| lucasagomes | :) | 20:00 |
| ttx | russellb, markmc, annegentle, mikal, mordred, vishy, markmcclain, jeblair, jaypipes, sdague : around ? | 20:00 |
| vkmc | o/ | 20:00 |
| mordred | ttx: nah, I'm bored | 20:00 |
| adam_g | hi! | 20:00 |
| mordred | ttx: oh, nevermind | 20:00 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:00 |
| annegentle_ | here! | 20:00 |
| jeblair | o/ | 20:00 |
| JayF | o/ | 20:00 |
| jroll | \o | 20:00 |
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| mikal | Hi | 20:01 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | that makes 7 | 20:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 9 20:01:31 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:01 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 20:01 |
| ttx | #topic Graduation review: Zaqar (ex-Marconi) (final decision?) | 20:01 |
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| markmcclain | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | So this is the continuation of last week's meeting | 20:02 |
| devananda | I believe sdague planned to be here, but i may have made him a bit late by chatting earlier | 20:02 |
| vishy | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | We have a review up for it now: | 20:02 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/118592 | 20:02 |
| ttx | there was also a thread on the ML @ | 20:02 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044845.html | 20:02 |
| * mordred may have sent an email to that thread 1 hour ago | 20:02 | |
| ttx | A few things are pretty clear now: | 20:02 |
| ttx | this is more a simple queue/messaging service than a full-featured queue provisioning service | 20:02 |
| * mordred apologizes for being late to the game | 20:03 | |
| ttx | So more MagnetoDB than Trove | 20:03 |
| ttx | And it's also clear that we need to have a clear discussion (probably after the TC membership refresh) on layers, and that Zaqar would belong to an outer layer (with Trove and Sahara, for example) | 20:03 |
| mordred | I do not concede that point in this context | 20:03 |
| ttx | But any new structure we decide early in Kilo would reasonably start to kick in for the L release | 20:03 |
| ttx | So the remaining question seems to be -- should we accept another integrated project in Kilo, /before/ we change the structure for L and beyond | 20:03 |
| ttx | mordred: I haven't read your latest post, though | 20:04 |
| mordred | I would like to say that I'm a little sad that the discussion devolved into yet another meta discussion around project structure and taxonomy | 20:04 |
| ttx | so my summary may be partial | 20:04 |
| mordred | while I love discussing that | 20:04 |
| * dhellmann pauses to read mordred's email | 20:04 | |
| mordred | I think it's a real disservice to zaqar to try to have a meta discussion instead of having the actual discussion | 20:04 |
| flaper87 | mordred: FWIW, thanks for bringing the discussion back to the project | 20:04 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:05 |
| mordred | I would much rather say yes or no to zaqar for reasons having to do with actual fitness than to say "sorry, we're going to discsuss how we discuss things more" | 20:05 |
| mordred | but that may just be me | 20:05 |
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| devananda | ttx: i have strong opinions on the small-tent-big-ecosystem discussion and would like us to prioritize addressing that in paris | 20:06 |
| mordred | devananda: yes. I think we shoudl have that discussion for sure | 20:06 |
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| annegentle_ | I'm feeling like zaqar should be given a "blinders on" assessment -- laser focus on the project itself with the governance we have now | 20:06 |
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| annegentle_ | darn, lost kgriffs | 20:06 |
| NobodyCam | should not all projects get that treatment | 20:06 |
| annegentle_ | NobodyCam: at this point in this time yes | 20:07 |
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| jeblair | annegentle_: ++ | 20:07 |
| zehicle_at_dell | o/ | 20:07 |
| ttx | ok, caught up with mordred's email. So you're saying it still invents more than it should | 20:07 |
| vkmc | +1 annegentle_ | 20:07 |
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| ttx | whatever the "should" definition is | 20:07 |
| sdague | annegentle_: so I'm not sure how to do that actually, it seems really weird to define what is OpenStack as a whole by looking at it through a soda straw. Which seems odd to me. | 20:07 |
| mordred | ttx: potentially. I would like to know what it's actually aspring to be | 20:08 |
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| devananda | mordred: i agree that feels unfair to zaqar. otoh, I don't agree that setting aside the big picture is helpful for us | 20:08 |
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| devananda | mordred: it feels unfair because the timing of the two discussions is unfortunate, not because anyone is trying to be unfair | 20:08 |
| ttx | OK, so we agree that we say yes or no, not based on timing and potential future governance change, but on what we have now | 20:08 |
| mikal | Agreed | 20:09 |
| flaper87 | mordred: Zaqar aims to be a multi-tenant cloud messaging service. That's the shortest thing I can come up with | 20:09 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: +1 | 20:09 |
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| devananda | ttx: also, are we deciding based on the integration checklist (maturity of QA, docs, community, etc) or based on technical merit of the project itself? | 20:09 |
| ttx | devananda: both? | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | devananda: both, right? | 20:09 |
| flaper87 | mordred: to that we can add more use-cases, features or whatever | 20:09 |
| ttx | the checklist is the minimum requirements that are consensual | 20:10 |
| annegentle_ | devananda: both, has to be on technical merit plus the checklist | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | but that's the short description of it | 20:10 |
| devananda | k, good | 20:10 |
| mordred | flaper87: can you speak to which of the straw-man comparisons I made it wants to be more like? or is that an invalid premise? | 20:10 |
| ttx | technicla merit is, as we'll see when it comes to vote, much less consensual | 20:10 |
| devananda | ttx: indeed | 20:10 |
| annegentle_ | mordred: as one of the biggest cloud users, is it just that you don't have a use case? or that as a cloud consumer you'd prefer another technical solution? | 20:10 |
| devananda | flaper87: fwiw, I maintain my objection to the store-and-retrieve model, and to fetch-by-id. neither of these fall within the domain of queueing | 20:11 |
| ttx | [ timeboxing this to 30min, if it takes more, it's back next week ] | 20:11 |
| devananda | flaper87: aiui, you're planning to remove those in the /v2/ API maybe? | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | mordred: probably SMTP/IMAP ? I really had quite a hard time parsing them all so I may probably be saying something wrong. | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | devananda: that's the plan, yest (fetch-by-id) | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | store-and-retrieve will remain | 20:11 |
| mordred | devananda: this is why I'm poking - if they are not a queue, then this whole thing is quite a bit different | 20:11 |
| devananda | mordred: right. it's not a queue as far as I can tell, and never was | 20:12 |
| flaper87 | devananda: why isn't in a queue? | 20:12 |
| mordred | devananda: it sounds like what they actually are is a message service that's easier in comparison to model by thinking of email | 20:12 |
| devananda | mordred: but the discussion of the v2 API is at least going towards beign a queue | 20:12 |
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| devananda | by removing the random access | 20:12 |
| devananda | flaper87: random access is not a queue | 20:12 |
| flaper87 | devananda: ok, take that off. Why is it not a queue? | 20:12 |
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| devananda | flaper87: in your data store internally, are messages identified by a sequential value, or a random number / UUID ? | 20:13 |
| ttx | mordred: so to summarize your objection, you think zaqar is reinventing something that doesn't need to be reinvented? | 20:14 |
| flaper87 | devananda: both, how is that relevant? | 20:14 |
| devananda | flaper87: random access is nto a queue | 20:14 |
| ttx | mordred: or just that you would like the use case precised? | 20:14 |
| mordred | ttx: potentially, yes. but I still think we're all at a lack of fundamental clarity on what it wants to be, which makes judging whether it's reinventing a wheel harder | 20:14 |
| devananda | flaper87: how your data model represents the data that zaqar is handling informs the type of service that I think it is | 20:14 |
| mordred | ttx: depending on what it wants to be, I may think that it's reinventing a wheel and will never be successful no matter what they do | 20:14 |
| vkmc | mordred, in last meeting and in the mailing list we mentioned that Zaqar aims to provide a service similar to SQS | 20:15 |
| mordred | ttx: other things they are trying to be are thigns they could be very successful at | 20:15 |
| ttx | mordred: hmm, ok | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | devananda: I completely disagre with that | 20:15 |
| devananda | if zaqar's data structure is designed for random read/write access, it's not a queue | 20:15 |
| mordred | vkmc: please humor me and assume I know nothing about Amazon's product line | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | devananda: it's not designed for random access | 20:15 |
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| flaper87 | random access just happened to be there | 20:15 |
| devananda | huh | 20:15 |
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| mordred | ttx: basically, there are people who I respect who like what zaqar is trying to do, which makes me think I misunderstand the intent and therefore am judging by invalid criteria | 20:17 |
| vkmc | mordred, sure thing, there are several differences with other queing systems but maybe the most important (I don't want to expand on this since we don't have much time) is that we are providing persistent storage and high availability | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | maybe the thing that's wrong is the mission statement, maybe that should be "message delivery API and service" instead of "message queueing API and service"? | 20:17 |
| ttx | dhellman_: ++ | 20:17 |
| devananda | dhellmann: ++ | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | it seems like that more clearly describes what zaqar (wow, hard to type) is trying to be | 20:17 |
| vkmc | +1 dhellman_ | 20:18 |
| vkmc | s/dhellman_/dhellmann | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | flaper87, do you agree with that? | 20:18 |
| ttx | I think "queueing" is a bit of an abuse in terms, mostly driven because SQS has Q in it | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: +1 | 20:18 |
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| flaper87 | we actually took queuing out of the deffinition | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | right | 20:18 |
| devananda | cool | 20:19 |
| flaper87 | that's something that confused people last time | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | ok, it's still there in reference/programs.yaml | 20:19 |
| flaper87 | The wiki says: "Zaqar is a multi-tenant cloud messaging service for web developers" | 20:19 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: that's our bad, then. | 20:19 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, not a big deal, I think we can change both things at once | 20:19 |
| ttx | mordred: if we start with "message delivery API and service", would that hit your NIH detector? | 20:19 |
| devananda | flaper87: that resolves my objection to it not being a queue. but then ^ | 20:19 |
| ttx | i.e. do you think it should be built on top of IMAP/POP servers ? | 20:19 |
| mordred | ok. so, then in that case, it does seem to be closer in design to jabber or email than to rabbit, yeah? | 20:19 |
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| flaper87 | it never intended to be close to rabbit, FWIW. | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | we still have all of the questions about whether they should have just used an imap server or whatever, but I think it eliminates the tendency to map it to oslo.messaging | 20:20 |
| flaper87 | The AMQP experiment was just that, an experiment to rely on an existing queuing technology | 20:20 |
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| mordred | dhellmann: ++ | 20:20 |
| flaper87 | but taht went wrong and we shared our findings | 20:20 |
| mordred | in that case, can someone explain, briefly, why it is that doing message delivery is something that cannot be done within the context of technologies we already use for other projects in openstack? | 20:21 |
| annegentle_ | mordred: because it's for apps built on the cloud not the cloud itself | 20:21 |
| mordred | and I harp on that mainly because my understanding of the need for a new tech stack was that the characteristics that were trying to be achieved were clsoer in model to rabbit | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | and so they could theoretically build a postfix/dovecot driver, but I don't think we would want to say they should *only* have that, wouild we? | 20:21 |
| mordred | dhellmann: right. or an exim/cyrus driver | 20:21 |
| russellb | it's the desire for a web api for this sort of thing, right? | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | mordred: pick your flavor | 20:22 |
| mordred | or a mysql driver that's completely scalable | 20:22 |
| ttx | mordred: anything actually | 20:22 |
| mordred | this sort of thing stored in RDBMS is a long understood and long solved problem is what I'm getting at | 20:22 |
| flaper87 | It's possible to build storage driver for whatever people want but we also have to consider performance and what not | 20:22 |
| wendar | dhellmann: it's not so much a question of dictating what they implement, as it is of deciding if what they've implemented is something essential/core to OpenStack | 20:22 |
| devananda | flaper87: scaling out RDBMS (eg, mysql) is a really well understood problem space | 20:23 |
| ttx | mordred: what are you getting it ? That NoSQL shouldn't be necessary ? | 20:23 |
| mordred | yes | 20:23 |
| devananda | flaper87: saying that you can't use an RDBMS because it doesn't scale is .... interesting | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | funny, because the feedback they got last cycle was that an RDBMS was completely inappropriate for this sort of thing -- was that because we didn't understand what "this sort of thing" was? | 20:23 |
| ttx | gettig at* | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | wendar: sure | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | devananda: I wasn't talking about RDBMS | 20:23 |
| mordred | dhellmann: yes | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | I was talking about IMAP | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | or smtp | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | or whatever | 20:23 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: yes. an RDBMS is inappropriate for a queue. it's fine for storing messages. | 20:23 |
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| devananda | flaper87: oh. you're saying email is not performant or webscale? | 20:24 |
| devananda | flaper87: i'm confused | 20:24 |
| devananda | flaper87: I thought last cycle ya'll turned away from the sqla driver because of performance reasons | 20:24 |
| flaper87 | devananda: I never said it is *not* performant, I said that those things have to be taken under consideration | 20:24 |
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| ttx | mordred: because then we are back to the SQLA driver... it exists after all. Not sure that condems Zaqar architecture | 20:24 |
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| devananda | wendar: re: "is essential to OpenStack" is the scope / small-tent-big-ecosystem discussion. I think we're trynig to avoid that right now | 20:25 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: what "features" or aspects of the current API would you expect to have to drop to make the SQL driver perform well for the remaining "message delivery" use cases? | 20:25 |
| annegentle_ | would my smartphone send my smartring an email to remind me I didn't close my smartgaragedoor? | 20:25 |
| devananda | annegentle_: why not? | 20:25 |
| dhellmann | no spoilers for the apple release, please, I haven't watched yet | 20:26 |
| devananda | annegentle_: if every smartdevice had a smartemailaddress, what's the problem with scaling that? | 20:26 |
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| annegentle_ | devananda: because my garage door doesn't have an email server? | 20:26 |
| ttx | OK.. I think we can't close this one today.... the new questions raised by mordred were raised too late to be addressed on the ML before this meeting | 20:26 |
| devananda | annegentle_: I'm hard pressed to think of any other messaging service that is as well understood, widely deployed, or handles as much traffic today | 20:26 |
| wendar | devananda: yes, without defining what "essential" means it's fuzzy, but the call is still "should Zaqar be integrated?" for some values of "integrated" | 20:26 |
| * NobodyCam is now lost as nothing in email guarantees order of delivery | 20:26 | |
| ttx | so I think we need another round of ML discussion | 20:27 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: we're likely going to drop support for random-access but other than that, I don't think we should be dropping anything. | 20:27 |
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| ttx | sending questions one hour before meeting feels like a trap to me | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: and do you think that an SQL driver could be built to meet those use cases and perform well at the same time? | 20:27 |
| mordred | ttx: sorry - wasn't intentional | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I think it's clear we need to carry this over another week | 20:27 |
| jeblair | flaper87: it sounds like you are moving towards being more queue-like | 20:28 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: the sql driver exists already, we marked it as deprecated because of the concerns raised last time. | 20:28 |
| ttx | mordred: just saying we just can't close that one, we need solidly-built arguments and rebuttals | 20:28 |
| flaper87 | can it be improved? It certainly can | 20:28 |
| ttx | and IRC is not the best medium for that, especially in 10 min utes time | 20:28 |
| ttx | so I'd like to defer this to next week and address ironic now | 20:28 |
| ttx | unless someone disagrees | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: right, and it sounds like maybe those concerns are being retracted with new understanding so I'm curious about whether that driver could be re-instated | 20:28 |
| ttx | and thinks we can resolve that one in-meeting | 20:28 |
| mordred | flaper87: right. what dhellman said - I think we've been judging zaqar against the wrong criteria | 20:29 |
| mordred | and I think it's worth stewing on in a new light for a little bit to see if that makes people more happier | 20:29 |
| ttx | to be fair it was always presented like a queue | 20:29 |
| * jaypipes reads back.. | 20:29 | |
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| ttx | ok, let's move to next topic and push discussion to ML and final decision to next week meeting | 20:30 |
| devananda | ttx: that's my recollection as well. this is the first time I recall hearing that it's not a queue | 20:30 |
| sdague | ttx: in fairness there was also low attendance last week with it being a short / holiday week in the us | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: it could, yes. | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: ok, that's a good data point | 20:30 |
| ttx | sdague: that doesn't prevent posting the questions last week. | 20:30 |
| annegentle_ | yes I think we all saw queue for a while | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | FWIW, we started talking about it as a messaging service since right after the failed graduation meeting | 20:30 |
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| flaper87 | and that's how we've been presenting it ever since | 20:30 |
| annegentle_ | flaper87: fair enough | 20:31 |
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| mordred | flaper87: that may be true - but somehow that did not sink in with most of us - no idea why | 20:31 |
| ttx | flaper87: let's give you some time to rebut these new arguments and be back next week -- does that work for you ? | 20:31 |
| samuelmz | henrynash, ping | 20:31 |
| annegentle_ | mordred: even Rackspace named the productization queues iirc | 20:31 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: I guess :) | 20:31 |
| jroll | annegentle_: that's correct :/ | 20:32 |
| ttx | #topic Graduation review: Ironic (part 1) | 20:32 |
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| ttx | devananda: ok, switch hats | 20:32 |
| mordred | devananda: put on the funny one | 20:32 |
| ttx | devananda: so, what about ironic | 20:32 |
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| devananda | ttx: what about it? :) | 20:32 |
| devananda | I've prepared some comments on the graduation requriements doc | 20:32 |
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| devananda | in case those are useful as a starting point for any qyestions folks have | 20:33 |
| devananda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicGraduationDiscussion | 20:33 |
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| russellb | can you provide an upgrade path update? | 20:34 |
| russellb | whatever the plan / status is there | 20:34 |
| russellb | not clear in the doc | 20:34 |
| devananda | russellb: there are links and description at the end of the doc | 20:34 |
| mikal | russellb: second bullet point has more detail | 20:34 |
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| devananda | russellb: tldr; grenade test for a sideways upgrade within Juno exists | 20:35 |
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| devananda | russellb: and passes (as of yesterday) but hasn't been landed yet | 20:35 |
| mikal | The upgrade spec didn't make it, which means we'll need to revisit in Kilo | 20:35 |
| devananda | russellb: however, the nova spec for deprecation of baremetal wasn't approved. I don't know how taht plays into Nova's plans for upgrade, etc | 20:36 |
| russellb | hmm, would that be a graduation blocker? | 20:36 |
| mikal | I am unsure | 20:36 |
| devananda | mikal: I don't see a technical problem leaving both drivers in tree in Juno, but I have no direct control on what Nova does there | 20:36 |
| russellb | i think it is based on our documented expectations | 20:36 |
| mikal | The driver only landed a couple of days ago, that had been the focus until now | 20:36 |
| russellb | as much as i hate that | 20:36 |
| russellb | wondering if we can mitigate it somehow | 20:36 |
| mikal | I think we could say there is a risk we'll never get to upgrade without an incentive | 20:37 |
| russellb | if there is a sideways upgrade in place, is that something that can be documented too? | 20:37 |
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| dhellmann | is there a commitment from the nova team to work on that with the ironic team early in kilo? | 20:37 |
| devananda | russellb: if the presense of the baremetal driver in tree is a blcoker, I think this is a case where our expectations are only being tested against Ironic (yet again) and may be inappropriate | 20:37 |
| mikal | dhellmann: as much as the nova team is a coherant entity, yes | 20:37 |
| russellb | devananda: which case was that expectation ignored? | 20:37 |
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| mikal | dhellmann: the people who walked the ironic driver through would walk the upgrade code through as well | 20:38 |
| devananda | russellb: the deprecation plan spec was proposed to nova at the same time as the driver spec, but not reviewed/approved | 20:38 |
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| dhellmann | mikal: ok, well I ask because our rules give nova essentially a "veto" over adding ironic until that migration path is "approved" and that always makes me a little nervous | 20:38 |
| devananda | russellb: meanwhile we have written alle the code for both things in parallel, as was communicated to us at the midcycle | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | mikal: ok, that's good | 20:38 |
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| jeblair | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95025/13/specs/juno/deprecate-baremetal-driver.rst | 20:38 |
| russellb | devananda: if it's important to you to be able to point fingers, we can say it's nova's fault, i don't care | 20:38 |
| jeblair | deprecation plan spec | 20:38 |
| annegentle_ | devananda: packages are only available in Ubuntu 14.04 for installing ironic? What's the RHEL story/plan? | 20:38 |
| mikal | *shrug* | 20:38 |
| mikal | Landing the driver was a lot of work, we did that first | 20:39 |
| devananda | russellb: sorry - i don't mean to point at nova here. I mean to point at the adherence to a process which hasn't been tested before now | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | mikal: makes sense | 20:39 |
| mikal | So... | 20:39 |
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| jeblair | devananda: where's the _migration_ plan? | 20:39 |
| devananda | russellb: landing specs and code takes time, and I know a lot of folks in Nova have been working hard to help us land the driver | 20:39 |
| mikal | What happens if we graduate ironic and never get around to fixing upgrades? | 20:39 |
| devananda | jeblair: in that spec | 20:39 |
| russellb | mikal: right, the "neutron" problem | 20:39 |
| devananda | mikal: "fixing upgrades" ? | 20:39 |
| russellb | which is explicitly what we put these rules in place to avoid | 20:40 |
| mikal | devananda: fixing / finishing / implementing. Whatever. | 20:40 |
| devananda | we've already got an upgrade path in place, and grenade tests for it are proposed | 20:40 |
| jeblair | devananda: i'm looking for discussion of the fact that the upgrade is a sideways upgrade within a release | 20:40 |
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| jeblair | i can't find the documentation for that | 20:40 |
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| russellb | i wonder if in the next week, that could be documented? | 20:40 |
| devananda | the only things left are, IIUC: land the grenade tests (and maybe some bits in devstack/tempest to facilityate them) and then do the steps in Nova to delete the baremetal code | 20:40 |
| russellb | if there's a migration path well documented, i think i would be happy | 20:41 |
| mikal | devananda: there's no migration code to land in nova? | 20:41 |
| mikal | devananda: there's the API proxy, right? | 20:41 |
| adam_g | grenade sideways migration test, +A'd today: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111859/ | 20:41 |
| jeblair | adam_g: do you know where that's documented? | 20:41 |
| sdague | mikal: the upgrade code was landed in ironic tree... considered a pull up upgrade from ironic, not a push upgrade from nova | 20:41 |
| russellb | ah | 20:42 |
| mikal | sdague: sure, but at the least we need an API proxy in nova, yes? | 20:42 |
| jroll | jeblair: I believe the "upgrade" path from icehouse baremetal to juno ironic is: upgrade icehouse baremetal to juno baremetal, then do sideways upgrade from juno baremetal to juno ironic (is that what you were looking for?) | 20:42 |
| jeblair | jroll: yeah, i'm looking for the document that says that :) | 20:42 |
| russellb | jeblair: ++ | 20:42 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, how would a deployer know that? | 20:42 |
| mikal | IIRC we originally said we'd do a FFE for that, but it wasn't proposed and we "spent" our ironic FFE budget on the driver instead | 20:42 |
| devananda | mikal: the proxy API actually got -1'd by dprince in the spec | 20:42 |
| russellb | so it looks like there's 2 key issues here | 20:42 |
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| russellb | 1) get the migration path documented now that it works | 20:43 |
| russellb | 2) nova and ironic teams need to talk and decide if there's really any code left to land in nova | 20:43 |
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| jeblair | (one of the things we are explicitly supposed to approve, according to our own policies, is the migration plan; so i mean it would be good to know what it is :) | 20:43 |
| russellb | and if we're actually blocked on deprecation anymore | 20:43 |
| sdague | russellb: yeh, I agree #1 needs to be in english somewhere, right now it's all in code | 20:43 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: +1 | 20:43 |
| mikal | So, re-reading the spec review... | 20:43 |
| mikal | Dan Prince doesn't like having the API proxy, but his argument is weak | 20:44 |
| mikal | "Its a waste of time" | 20:44 |
| mikal | But its not, its already written | 20:44 |
| russellb | the proxy is already written? | 20:44 |
| NobodyCam | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116316 | 20:44 |
| mikal | We keep falling into this hole where we try to assert that a given type of user can't possibly exist, without any evidence | 20:44 |
| mikal | russellb: this is my understanding | 20:44 |
| russellb | ah, sure enough | 20:44 |
| russellb | if that's all that's blocking this, i'd rather just review it | 20:45 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: that should probably be proposed to nova, not ironic at this point :) | 20:45 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116316 is in the ironic tree, shouldn't that go to nova? | 20:45 |
| russellb | i mean, i get the argument that it doesn't matter as much since it's an admin API, too though | 20:45 |
| mikal | Look, if the TC asked Nova to add a FFE for the API proxy, I'd be fine with that | 20:45 |
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| NobodyCam | I had stoped work on it | 20:45 |
| ttx | and I would have a hard time to complain about it | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | so moved | 20:45 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:45 |
| mikal | Nova FF seems to be going fine at the moment, its not like we're in a big panic or anything | 20:45 |
| russellb | mikal: i think we (nova) need to go off and decide how much we care, and provide an answer to the TC on that | 20:45 |
| markmcclain | +1 | 20:46 |
| russellb | i actually don't care much, since it's an admin API | 20:46 |
| russellb | i'm just meh on that detail | 20:46 |
| ttx | just to make sure I understand -- the baremetal driver and ironic driver would coexist in Nova ? | 20:46 |
| jaypipes | russellb: ++ | 20:46 |
| mikal | ttx: they do currently | 20:46 |
| devananda | ttx: you maen in the Juno release? | 20:46 |
| ttx | also, is this migration the only thing holding off ironic graduation? | 20:46 |
| ttx | devananda: yes | 20:46 |
| russellb | for the juno release only if we graduated | 20:46 |
| mikal | ttx: the deprecation plan is to do that for some period (at least one release) and then kill baremetal with fire | 20:46 |
| devananda | ttx: aiui, they have to, since there is a requirement for a deprecation cycle on the baremetal driver | 20:46 |
| devananda | ttx: and baremetal driver could be deleted when Kilo opens | 20:46 |
| ttx | mikal:, devananda ok, got it | 20:46 |
| russellb | i propose 1) ironic go document this migration plan, and 2) we confirm in nova team if we're willing to deprecate baremetal without the APi proxy | 20:47 |
| jaypipes | why does this all remind me of the conversation about nova-network... | 20:47 |
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| russellb | and that would unblock this completely AFAICT | 20:47 |
| mikal | russellb: I would be happy to deal with the nova bit of that | 20:47 |
| ttx | devananda: can 1 and 2 be done within a week? | 20:47 |
| russellb | mikal: yay | 20:47 |
| NobodyCam | does the proxy code need to be perposed to nova? (so lost track) | 20:47 |
| mikal | russellb: presumably via an email thread | 20:47 |
| devananda | so are there any other things besides the migration plan blocking graduation at this point? | 20:47 |
| russellb | mikal: hopefully just a -dev thread | 20:47 |
| russellb | jiinx | 20:47 |
| NobodyCam | s/so/sorry/ | 20:47 |
| sdague | NobodyCam: please propose the proxy code | 20:47 |
| mikal | russellb: heh | 20:47 |
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| jeblair | russellb: ++ | 20:47 |
| mikal | I'm going to be honest here | 20:48 |
| annegentle_ | you do recognize that 2/3rds of ask.openstack.org questions are unanswered, is that a doc deficiency or lack of packages or something else? | 20:48 |
| sdague | because it exists | 20:48 |
| NobodyCam | ack will pick that code back up | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | devananda: the horizon work didn't land this cycle? | 20:48 |
| ttx | devananda: personally I'm good. Last cycle we deferred on the catch-22 with nova driver | 20:48 |
| annegentle_ | I'm looking at the support/docs aspect | 20:48 |
| mikal | The reason the proxy is the least best thought through part of the plan is that we realized we might need to do it very late | 20:48 |
| mikal | (At about j-2) | 20:48 |
| jroll | dhellmann: horizon won't land code from non-integrated projects | 20:48 |
| ttx | dhellmann: it's supposed to land on first integrated cycle | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | jroll: ok | 20:48 |
| devananda | dhellmann: correct. horizon didn't accept the work, and we didn't have folks working on it until after the midcycle either | 20:48 |
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| mordred | annegentle_: who is it that looks at ask.openstack.org things? is that a thing project teams are expected to pay attention to? | 20:48 |
| jeblair | i'd love it if we can find a way for horizon to be able to accept incubated code | 20:49 |
| mordred | annegentle_: (asking, I have no idea) | 20:49 |
| ttx | jeblair: separate discussion | 20:49 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 20:49 |
| russellb | mikal: you know, we could even consider a backport to juno if we changed our minds later and thought it was important later on if it's an independent API extension ... | 20:49 |
| mordred | but yes, separate discussion | 20:49 |
| dhellmann | devananda: horizon might be another bottleneck in kilo, have you talked to them about prioritizing the work? | 20:49 |
| devananda | mordred: there is a clause in the graduation req's stating that incubating projects are supposed to answer things on ask.oo.org ... | 20:49 |
| zaneb | mordred: yes | 20:49 |
| mordred | devananda: oh, wow. crazy | 20:49 |
| mordred | ok | 20:49 |
| annegentle_ | mordred: it's a way to measure the projects' support of users | 20:49 |
| mikal | russellb: true dat | 20:49 |
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| devananda | JoshNang: you're working with the horizon team on that, IIRC. any sense of whether they'll prioritize reviewign it in Kilo? | 20:49 |
| mordred | oh - users are suposed to use ask.o.o? crazy ... | 20:49 |
| JayF | aweeks: ^ might know about horizon as well | 20:50 |
| ttx | ... | 20:50 |
| annegentle_ | mordred: it's one of a few support channels we tell people about | 20:50 |
| jroll | devananda: sounds like horizon is excited about it | 20:50 |
| mordred | jeblair: apparently we should be asking more nova questions on ask.o.o ... | 20:50 |
| aweeks | JayF: you called? | 20:50 |
| ttx | devananda: are russell's 1 and 2 points solvable in less than a week? | 20:50 |
| russellb | i didn't have any other concerns other than the migration stuff we've discussed | 20:50 |
| mikal | ttx: point 2 is | 20:50 |
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| russellb | yay ironic | 20:50 |
| devananda | ttx: point one was "document the sideways migration plan" -- we can definitely solve that | 20:50 |
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| JoshNang | devananda: unfortuantely i didn't ask if they'd prioritize | 20:50 |
| devananda | ttx: i think point two was up to Nova, though? | 20:50 |
| ttx | other TC members: any other objection ? | 20:51 |
| ttx | devananda: yes, mikal answered to that one | 20:51 |
| jeblair | did annegentle_ get an answer? | 20:51 |
| devananda | k | 20:51 |
| jeblair | 20:48 < annegentle_> you do recognize that 2/3rds of ask.openstack.org questions are unanswered, is that a doc deficiency or lack of packages or something else? | 20:51 |
| mikal | devananda: it is an action for us, but it blocks you | 20:51 |
| devananda | mikal: ack | 20:51 |
| ttx | ok, so it looks like we may have a winner here next week | 20:51 |
| devananda | jeblair: annegentle_: is taht a general statement, or a reflection on ironic specifically? | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I'm happy with their progress. I'm a little worried about the dependencies on those other teams, but I think that's under control now. | 20:51 |
| mikal | I think we should take a week to sort out these little details and then pull the trigger | 20:51 |
| ttx | devananda: please post a governance change to upgrade status as well, so that we can formally vote | 20:51 |
| devananda | ttx: ack | 20:51 |
| russellb | mikal: yep, part 2 next week to check on this stuff | 20:52 |
| ttx | last comments? | 20:52 |
| jeblair | annegentle_: i read that as 2/3 of ironic questions? | 20:52 |
| russellb | but seems doable | 20:52 |
| annegentle_ | also what's the RHEL plan? | 20:52 |
| annegentle_ | jeblair: 7 answered of 18 | 20:52 |
| devananda | annegentle_: RHEL packaging is up to RH, not us, afaik | 20:52 |
| annegentle_ | jeblair: with the ironic tag | 20:52 |
| russellb | annegentle_: what RHEL plan? | 20:52 |
| devananda | annegentle_: but fwiw, I don't have insight into that yet | 20:52 |
| annegentle_ | devananda: ok, yes, just wondering if you know if they're awaiting integration | 20:52 |
| devananda | don't know | 20:52 |
| * russellb can speak to it if he knew the question | 20:52 | |
| ttx | don't care :) | 20:52 |
| russellb | heh | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | is it up to individual projects to deal with packaging for the distros? | 20:52 |
| russellb | yeah seems irrelevant | 20:53 |
| russellb | dhellman_: no | 20:53 |
| annegentle_ | your install docs are covered for Ubuntu | 20:53 |
| jeblair | it's interesting, but i don't think it's relevant to the discussion | 20:53 |
| devananda | dhellmann: not afaik | 20:53 |
| annegentle_ | so it's probably fine but does affect the install guide | 20:53 |
| ttx | yep irrelevant | 20:53 |
| annegentle_ | which people ask about | 20:53 |
| devananda | annegentle_: ah, because that's what our devs are using. we do have a few devs on fedora who are ensuring it stays supported | 20:53 |
| ttx | we can't force RHEL to adopt or not adopt | 20:53 |
| russellb | red hat has ironic devs, they should step up and fix it :) | 20:53 |
| devananda | russellb: ++ | 20:53 |
| russellb | i can smack people if needed | 20:53 |
| mordred | annegentle_: tell them "pip install git://git.openstack.org/openstack/ironic.git" :) | 20:53 |
| sdague | agreed | 20:53 |
| ttx | OK, let's move on | 20:53 |
| mordred | no need for rpms at all ... | 20:53 |
| annegentle_ | russellb: it might be an integration wait | 20:53 |
| * sdague looks forward to russellb's hammer of doom | 20:53 | |
| ttx | I think we know the path forward on this one | 20:54 |
| ttx | #topic Other governance changes | 20:54 |
| mordred | ++ hammer of doom | 20:54 |
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| ttx | * The Oslo program is adopting pylockfile (https://review.openstack.org/117622) | 20:54 |
| ttx | Discussion still on-going there. It looks like this will make it miss the deadline for Oslo library graduations | 20:54 |
| dhellmann | I have prepared a collection of syllogisms on that, but I won't paste them here. | 20:54 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: will the delay on that one jeopardize graduation? or we don't actually care? | 20:54 |
| ttx | because it deosn't graduate? | 20:54 |
| dhellmann | we don't care, the work to move code around can be done in the next cycle | 20:55 |
| sdague | it's currently only used in 1 nova test, so it shouldn't matter | 20:55 |
| ttx | ok, so let's the discussion continue at its own pace | 20:55 |
| ttx | * Add a Mission Statement for Orchestration (Heat) (https://review.openstack.org/116703) | 20:55 |
| ttx | It's still being worked on apparently, so let's pass | 20:55 |
| ttx | * Propose guidelines for adopting new official projects (https://review.openstack.org/116727) | 20:55 |
| ttx | Still no new patchset after our first -1s, let's pass | 20:55 |
| zaneb | I've been out for a week | 20:55 |
| ttx | * Add Juno Nova co-authored-by authors to extra-atcs. (https://review.openstack.org/119666) | 20:55 |
| zaneb | but I just added some questions on that one | 20:55 |
| mikal | So... pause there | 20:55 |
| ttx | So for all those extra-atcs patches we need to make sure those have signed the CLA, which makes it a bit painful to check | 20:55 |
| zaneb | mainly for dhellman_ | 20:55 |
| mikal | It seems a few projects are interest in this | 20:56 |
| mikal | If there was an automated way to check for CLAs, I'd do it for everyone | 20:56 |
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| ttx | fungi and reed are working on potential solutions there | 20:56 |
| mikal | mordred: is there a gerrit command line which lists the members of the CLA group? | 20:56 |
| annegentle_ | yeah I'm checking individually | 20:56 |
| jeblair | ttx: why do we need to make sure they signed the cla in order for them to vote? | 20:56 |
| jaypipes | zaneb: silly Zane.. don't you know there's no allowed vacation for PTLs!? ;) | 20:56 |
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| eglynn | ttx: would the lack of CLA signing stop them getting voting privileges? | 20:56 |
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| mordred | I second jeblair's question | 20:56 |
| jeblair | ttx: i think we needed to make sure they signed the cla _before merging the code_ | 20:56 |
| annegentle_ | jeblair: huh good question | 20:56 |
| ttx | jeblair: hmm | 20:56 |
| eglynn | ... the code that they co-authored has already landed, surely it's too late to retrospectively require a CLA | 20:56 |
| vishy | we really need to do get co-authored-by integrated with gerrit | 20:56 |
| jeblair | ttx: i think we need to make sure they are individual members before they vote | 20:56 |
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| mikal | jeblair: agreed | 20:57 |
| russellb | right, realistically we've been landing code without chceking CLA in all cases | 20:57 |
| sdague | vishy: well, with our scripts at least | 20:57 |
| ttx | jeblair: yes, that's for sure | 20:57 |
| russellb | oops | 20:57 |
| zaneb | jaypipes: yeah, catching up is hard :/ | 20:57 |
| eglynn | FYI the ceilo version of that nova extra-atcs patch: https://review.openstack.org/119794 | 20:57 |
| jaypipes | zaneb: indeed. | 20:57 |
| ttx | jeblair: ok, so maybe I was off on the CLA thing there | 20:57 |
| mikal | Does the vote invite generation stuff check foundation membership? | 20:57 |
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| annegentle_ | is this status for voting and summit invites? Anything else? | 20:57 |
| mikal | Is it possible for me to resign my membership? | 20:57 |
| ttx | at least it doesn't affect the atc part | 20:57 |
| mordred | mikal: NO | 20:57 |
| mordred | mikal: you may never leave | 20:57 |
| jeblair | mikal: only indirectly | 20:57 |
| ttx | annegentle_: it's for voting. Extra perks like summit invites are...extra perks | 20:58 |
| mikal | I think my point being... | 20:58 |
| mikal | If we care about foundation membership, it needs to be checked at the point of vote invite generation | 20:58 |
| jeblair | mikal: since it only works on patches to projects that use the cla and the cla requires (incorrectly perhaps) foundation membership, there's an indirect link | 20:58 |
| ttx | mikal: yes, it's just tricky to do so | 20:58 |
| mikal | jeblair: unless someone can resign their membership | 20:58 |
| reed | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+bug/1311138 | 20:58 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1311138 in openstack-community "CLA cannot be re-signed or revoked" [Undecided,New] | 20:58 |
| ttx | ok, let's forget my objection and move on | 20:58 |
| jroll | mikal: the list of extra-atcs, did you check if those folks are already ATCs? | 20:58 |
| mikal | Heh | 20:59 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:59 |
| zaneb | jeblair: the CLA is explicitly designed for the case where the author is not the submitter, and hasn't signed the CLA | 20:59 |
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| jroll | mikal: (and does it matter) | 20:59 |
| ttx | Mark Radcliffe wants to give us a phone presentation of the bylaws changes | 20:59 |
| zaneb | jeblair: which makes it even more bizarre that we have it | 20:59 |
| mordred | I posted 4 changes related to the PRoject Testing Interface | 20:59 |
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| mikal | jroll: so... that is a list of co-authors who hadn't landed a patch in the period I was checking (since 1 April) | 20:59 |
| ttx | He has some availability in the Pacific time mornings of September 17th and 18th | 20:59 |
| mordred | the first three should be completely rubberstampbable | 20:59 |
| jroll | mikal: hadn't landed a patch at all or in nova? | 20:59 |
| ttx | Proposed time would be the 18th at 8am Pacific, which means... | 20:59 |
| anteaya | ttx can non tc listen in? | 20:59 |
| mordred | since the first one is just importing the text into the repo | 20:59 |
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| mikal | jroll: in nova | 20:59 |
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| ttx | anteaya: I have no idea | 20:59 |
| jroll | mikal: ah, ok, didn't realize it mattered :) thanks | 20:59 |
| mordred | so I'd love it if people would vote on those | 20:59 |
| ttx | lawyers organize the call | 21:00 |
| mordred | the fourth is about teh docs tox env | 21:00 |
| mikal | jroll: it gives those listed a vote in the compute PTL election, so project does matter here | 21:00 |
| jroll | aha :) | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | ttx: can we get the changes in writing first? | 21:00 |
| mordred | the string ends here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119875/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | 8am PST is terrible for me, just sayin' | 21:00 |
| * jroll gets to try to vote mikal out now >:) | 21:00 | |
| ttx | so that would be Thtrsday at 1500 UTC | 21:00 |
| anteaya | ttx I'd like to listen if I it is possible, but I accept if it isn't | 21:00 |
| mikal | I'm a bit sad we moved on from extra-atcs | 21:00 |
| ttx | mikal: yes, he just proposed "pacific morning" | 21:01 |
| annegentle_ | we still need extra-atcs I believe | 21:01 |
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| mikal | Do we want to do that for every integrated project? | 21:01 |
| ttx | and apparently morning is 8am there | 21:01 |
| russellb | mikal: if we do it, i'd really like to see it done for everything | 21:01 |
| mikal | Are we will to skip the CLA check ttx wanted? | 21:01 |
| sdague | mikal: it seems like it would be better to write a script, right? | 21:01 |
| russellb | but that's work i'm not signing up for :) | 21:01 |
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| mikal | sdague: I did! | 21:01 |
| mikal | sdague: I even sent you a link to it! | 21:01 |
| russellb | heh | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | mikal: yeah, how about if you put your script in the governance repo? | 21:01 |
| ttx | mikal: yes, we said my remark was stupid and moved on | 21:01 |
| sdague | mikal: so then why do we need it in the extra-atc list, and not just part of the atc generator | 21:01 |
| annegentle_ | the original point of having a governance document for extra atcs was for ptls to have a non-computerizedrobotic way to recognize contributors though | 21:01 |
| mikal | So... if the current script is acceptable, I can move it somehwere and run it for everyone | 21:01 |
| mikal | If people want me to | 21:02 |
| ttx | mikal: also fungo plans to run the same for each | 21:02 |
| annegentle_ | so how we generated it is not the point | 21:02 |
| ttx | fungi* | 21:02 |
| annegentle_ | in my case any way | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | mikal: I would like it run for oslo | 21:02 |
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| ttx | we need to close the meeting | 21:02 |
| russellb | bye! | 21:02 |
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| mikal | ttx: never! | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | mikal: although I don't really expect any output | 21:02 |
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| annegentle_ | I need to recognize some contributors | 21:02 |
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| russellb | mikal: need to do novaclient too technically | 21:02 |
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| mikal | sdague: probably, but this was about making life for anteaya easier while we worked out what we're doing | 21:02 |
| sdague | ok, I thought the impact was just for overall atc status | 21:02 |
| mikal | russellb: fair point there | 21:02 |
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| ttx | mikal on extra-atcs, let's sync with fungi, he generated electorate rolls | 21:03 |
| anteaya | sdague: the original point of extra-atcs was overall atc status | 21:03 |
| mikal | Ok, I will take those action items and come back with a thing | 21:03 |
| mikal | ttx: sure | 21:03 |
| ttx | on Mark Redcliffe, i'll post to -tc | 21:03 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 9 21:03:31 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:03 |
| anteaya | we are trying to work on getting voting rights for folks between programs | 21:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-09-09-20.01.html | 21:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-09-09-20.01.txt | 21:03 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-09-09-20.01.log.html | 21:03 |
| ttx | sorry for being late | 21:03 |
| ttx | no problem, ttx | 21:03 |
| * mikal fetches coffee | 21:03 | |
| jroll | lol | 21:03 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 21:03 |
| ttx | dhellmann, dolphm, notmyname, eglynn, markwash, jgriffith, mikal, zaneb, david-lyle, mestery, SlickNik, SergeyLukjanov: around ? | 21:03 |
| eglynn | o/ | 21:03 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:03 |
| mestery | ttx: o/ | 21:04 |
| zaneb | o/ | 21:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 21:04 |
| dolphm | o/ | 21:04 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 21:04 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 9 21:04:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:04 |
| * devananda lurks | 21:04 | |
| ttx | crazy tuesdays | 21:04 |
| jeblair | for once it's not infra's fault. well, not directly. ;) | 21:04 |
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| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:04 |
| ttx | #topic News from the 1:1 sync points | 21:04 |
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| ttx | Here is the log: | 21:04 |
| ttx | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-09-09-11.46.html | 21:04 |
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| ttx | We missed Nova due to being in the air, we'll do it after this meeting, or tomorrow | 21:05 |
| ttx | Syncs today were mostly about reviewing the existing FFEs | 21:05 |
| ttx | I think we have final lists now, and almost all should be completed this week. | 21:05 |
| ttx | dhellmann: you wanted to mention something iirc | 21:05 |
| dhellmann | ah, yes, thanks | 21:05 |
| ttx | "we're trying to have final library releases on 18 sept to give time for testing before the rest of the release candidates" | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | oslo will be shooting for our final release candidates on 18 sept to give everyone time to run unit tests with them | 21:06 |
| mikal | Back | 21:06 |
| mestery | dhellmann: nice! | 21:06 |
| dolphm | is that about the time we should be aiming for coinciding client releases then? | 21:06 |
| ttx | it would be good to stop updating the clients soon, yes | 21:06 |
| ttx | so that we don't create fun regressions at the last minutes | 21:07 |
| eglynn | dolphm: good point, I was planning to cut a new ceilometerclient release roughly co-inciding with the juno final tag | 21:07 |
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| ttx | eglynn: how about doing it around the juno-rc1 tag ? | 21:07 |
| sdague | so, I'm kind of concerned about dependent libraries getting reved at the end | 21:07 |
| eglynn | ttx: that would work | 21:07 |
| ttx | it's supposed to be finished then | 21:07 |
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| eglynn | ttx: fair point, will do | 21:08 |
| ttx | sdague: rc1 would work, though ? | 21:08 |
| sdague | the process theory is we're in dep freeze when we go into feature freeze | 21:08 |
| mestery | Neutron will need a new client release once the L3 HA BP lands, so likely this weekend | 21:08 |
| ttx | there is a standing exception for client and oslo until rc1 | 21:08 |
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| ttx | sdague: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/DepFreeze | 21:08 |
| sdague | ttx: I do realize that's how it's been | 21:08 |
| ttx | I mean, the sooner the better, but definitely not after RC1 | 21:09 |
| sdague | but do realize that means we are now exempting ~30 deps from freeze | 21:09 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: all of the integration tests are running against master already, so the only issues we might have are in the unit testse | 21:09 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: or anything we don't hit in integration | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | there's nothing I can do about untested code | 21:09 |
| ttx | sdague: for oslo that would be frozen on Sep 18 | 21:09 |
| ttx | sdague: would you suggest we do the same date for clients ? | 21:10 |
| sdague | ttx: honestly, the sooner the better | 21:10 |
| dhellmann | we've locked down for feature freeze in oslo already, so we're just working on bugs at this point | 21:10 |
| ttx | sdague: I agree -- not sure the projects can align though. | 21:10 |
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| ttx | everyone else: what do you think ? | 21:10 |
| sdague | I think we need to rethink the dep exception for kilo, it adds a lot of variability into the process | 21:10 |
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| dolphm | clients don't get a lot of love until the server goes into feature freeze anyway | 21:11 |
| ttx | could final client releases be tagged by Sep 18? | 21:11 |
| eglynn | ttx: yes, that's reasonable | 21:11 |
| ttx | (unless shit happens that warrants a rev, of course) | 21:11 |
| dolphm | that's realistic for keystone | 21:11 |
| ttx | sdague: would you mind posting a thread to the -ML proposig that we do all final revs of clients by Sep 18 ? | 21:11 |
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| sdague | ttx: sure | 21:12 |
| ttx | (to align with Oslo) | 21:12 |
| ttx | sdague: cool thx | 21:12 |
| ttx | #action sdague to post to ML to propose that we do all final revs of clients by Sep 18 (same as olso) | 21:13 |
| ttx | #topic Other program news | 21:13 |
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| ttx | Any other program with a quick announcement ? | 21:13 |
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| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:14 |
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| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | it would be useful to have some other PTLs chime in on the "priorities" thread for kilo | 21:14 |
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| ttx | I visited the Design Summit space in Paris and will start working with the event organizer on layouts, which will result in pods/meetup space availability, and then to slot layout | 21:15 |
| dhellmann | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044766.html | 21:15 |
| ttx | dhellmann: on my TODO list for tomorrow | 21:15 |
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| mestery | dhellmann: Same here, it's on the list | 21:15 |
| SlickNik | dhellman_: Yes, same here - planning to send out an update before tomorrow. | 21:15 |
| ttx | I'll also post about officially skipping the "suggestions website" and encouraging people to join the planning etherpads and team meetings | 21:16 |
| ttx | #action ttx to propose skipping the "suggestions" and go directly to discussion | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | ttx, mestery, SlickNik: good, thanks | 21:16 |
| eglynn | is that ML thread the official decision-making process for kilo priorities? | 21:16 |
| ttx | #info context added: design summit session | 21:16 |
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| dhellmann | eglynn: no, but it's the official start of the discussion | 21:16 |
| ttx | #action PTLs to participate to the Kilo priorities thread | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: the tc asked jogo to start the thread on the -dev list | 21:17 |
| dolphm | ttx: ++ | 21:17 |
| ttx | eglynn: it will help decide for cross-project sessions content | 21:17 |
| jeblair | ttx: ooh, can we have someplace dry for our pod? :) | 21:18 |
| notmyname | /here | 21:18 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: don't get greedy | 21:18 |
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| ttx | jeblair: you won't aget a pod | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | oh, snap | 21:19 |
| ttx | jeblair: there will be a set of pods and a set of signs. len(signs)>len(pods) | 21:19 |
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| ttx | so wehn you're a group and need a pod, grab your sign and make a pod yours | 21:20 |
| ttx | if someone else is already there, fight them in the tar pit | 21:20 |
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| ttx | jeblair: ah, you already found the loophole I see | 21:21 |
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| mikal | The nova sign has to be bigger than everyone else's | 21:21 |
| mikal | For reasons | 21:21 |
| ttx | ok, anything else to discuss today ? | 21:21 |
| ttx | mikal: actually nova doesn't need a pod, so doesn't have a sign. | 21:22 |
| ttx | mikal: you have sessions running all the time. | 21:22 |
| mikal | ttx: I'm not sure that's a great plan, but we can discuss | 21:22 |
| ttx | your pod is just a 280-seat room. | 21:22 |
| * dhellmann glares at jeblair | 21:22 | |
| mikal | OMG, biggest pod ever | 21:22 |
| * jeblair hands dhellman a wetsuit | 21:22 | |
| dhellmann | heh | 21:22 |
| ttx | although that may be the neutron pod. | 21:23 |
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| mestery | ha! | 21:23 |
| ttx | more brainstorming coming this week once I have the maps | 21:23 |
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| ttx | anything else before we close ? | 21:23 |
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| ttx | guess not | 21:24 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:24 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 9 21:24:12 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-09-09-21.04.html | 21:24 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone! | 21:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-09-09-21.04.txt | 21:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-09-09-21.04.log.html | 21:24 |
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| SlickNik | Thanks ttx! | 21:26 |
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