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| sajeesh | ping | 16:02 |
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| raildo | hi all | 16:02 |
| sajeesh | hi raildo | 16:02 |
| raildo | hi sajeesh | 16:02 |
| rodrigods | hi all | 16:02 |
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| sajeesh | hi rodrigods | 16:03 |
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| Nirbhay_ | hi | 16:03 |
| raildo | schwicke can not lead the meeting today, he asked me to stay in the leadership of today's meeting. | 16:03 |
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| sajeesh | hi | 16:03 |
| rodrigods | great, raildo | 16:03 |
| raildo | hi Nirbhay_ | 16:03 |
| raildo | So we can start the meeting | 16:03 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:03 |
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| Nirbhay_ | hi raildo | 16:03 |
| raildo | #startmeeting hierarchical_multitenancy | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Aug 1 16:03:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is raildo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hierarchical_multitenancy)" | 16:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hierarchical_multitenancy' | 16:03 |
| Nirbhay_ | yes | 16:03 |
| raildo | #topic bp nova | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bp nova (Meeting topic: hierarchical_multitenancy)" | 16:04 | |
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| raildo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110639/ | 16:04 |
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| raildo | Joe Gordon gave a -2 in review | 16:05 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:05 |
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| raildo | sajeesh: Any response from him after vinod replied? | 16:05 |
| sajeesh | not yet | 16:05 |
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| sajeesh | yesterday there was no nova meeting | 16:06 |
| rodrigods | maybe you should ping him in #openstack-nova | 16:06 |
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| sajeesh | ok | 16:06 |
| raildo | rodrigods: +1 | 16:06 |
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| raildo | or send a email | 16:06 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:06 |
| sajeesh | raildo,what is juno-2 and juno-3 | 16:07 |
| raildo | #action sajeesh should talk to joe gordon in #openstack-nova or send a email | 16:07 |
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| raildo | sajeesh: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 16:08 |
| sajeesh | raildo,ok I will check | 16:08 |
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| sajeesh | raildo,so we have a chance to get into juno-3 right ? | 16:09 |
| raildo | sajeesh: FeatureProposalFreeze for the juno-3 is August 21 | 16:09 |
| raildo | sajeesh: yes | 16:09 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:09 |
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| raildo | #topic option --force in Quota | 16:10 |
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| raildo | Ulrich sent me the following sentence "One issue which is cooking up right now is if we can support the --force option to set quota below the current usage. We have a good use case for that but it can be tricky and needs to be carefully thought about so that users cannot cheat. " | 16:10 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:11 |
| raildo | Nirbhay_: you could better explain this option --force? | 16:11 |
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| Nirbhay_ | yes | 16:11 |
| Nirbhay_ | but ulrich has agreed to leave for time being | 16:11 |
| raildo | ok | 16:12 |
| sajeesh | raildo,for the time being we can keep our bp as simple as possible | 16:12 |
| rodrigods | sajeesh, ++ | 16:12 |
| Nirbhay_ | yes ++ | 16:12 |
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| Nirbhay_ | and there are chances in which user can cheat | 16:13 |
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| Nirbhay_ | I u want i can explain that | 16:13 |
| Nirbhay_ | Sorry, If you want ** | 16:13 |
| raildo | #agree There will not be the option - force | 16:14 |
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| sajeesh | raildo,I will test your setup this weekend | 16:14 |
| Nirbhay_ | ok | 16:14 |
| raildo | Nirbhay_: If you can explain, I wonder how it would work, can be useful in the future | 16:14 |
| raildo | sajeesh: great | 16:14 |
| Nirbhay_ | No it has drawback.. | 16:15 |
| Nirbhay_ | let's say we have tree like A->B->C | 16:15 |
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| sajeesh | ok | 16:15 |
| Nirbhay_ | And quota limit for A is 100, for B 50 and C 20 | 16:15 |
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| sajeesh | ok | 16:16 |
| Nirbhay_ | Assume A and B are not using any resouce | 16:16 |
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| sajeesh | ok | 16:16 |
| Nirbhay_ | and C is using 10 | 16:16 |
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| Nirbhay_ | so if we have reduce quota on C to 10 then is ok | 16:16 |
| Nirbhay_ | right | 16:16 |
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| raildo | ok | 16:17 |
| Nirbhay_ | becuase C has free quota as 10 | 16:17 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:17 |
| Nirbhay_ | now let's say B admin created new project D, C's sibling | 16:17 |
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| sajeesh | ok | 16:18 |
| Nirbhay_ | how much max quota can be given to D ?can you calculate | 16:18 |
| Nirbhay_ | If C's quota is 10 | 16:18 |
| Nirbhay_ | and B has 50, nothing used in B | 16:18 |
| sajeesh | 50-10 | 16:18 |
| Nirbhay_ | yes | 16:18 |
| Nirbhay_ | But now D needs more | 16:19 |
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| Nirbhay_ | but C is using 10 resources so it can not be decreased | 16:19 |
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| Nirbhay_ | in force option B admin can make quota of C to 5 and then add addtional 5 to D | 16:19 |
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| sajeesh | ok | 16:20 |
| Nirbhay_ | you all got it | 16:20 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:20 |
| Nirbhay_ | this feature is what ulrich wanted | 16:20 |
| Nirbhay_ | but there is issue | 16:20 |
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| Nirbhay_ | so lets say C is using 10 with quota limit 5 and D is using 45 with quota limit 45 | 16:21 |
| Nirbhay_ | ok | 16:21 |
| raildo | OK, I understand better this function :) | 16:21 |
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| Nirbhay_ | but now B admin can missuse force option | 16:22 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:22 |
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| Nirbhay_ | he can reduce the quota of D to 10 let's say. And create 35 new instances in B itself | 16:22 |
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| Nirbhay_ | Then below B total 1in 10(C) + 45(D) + 35(B)= 90 instances are running with quota of B as 50 | 16:23 |
| Nirbhay_ | This happpens then what is meaning of having quota | 16:24 |
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| Nirbhay_ | In case where cloud service sets quota for a company then manager of that can create or let create has many instances as he wants... | 16:25 |
| sajeesh | nirbhay,if possible can you please send a mail regarding this | 16:26 |
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| Nirbhay_ | ok | 16:26 |
| raildo | +1 | 16:26 |
| sajeesh | raildo,in keystone have you taken care of the backward compatibilty..I mean other services currently doesn't know about nested projects ,incuding nova | 16:26 |
| raildo | yes | 16:26 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:26 |
| raildo | We are developing an extension for OS-inherit | 16:27 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:27 |
| raildo | http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-identity-service/3/content/api-1.html | 16:27 |
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| sajeesh | ok,I will check it | 16:27 |
| Nirbhay_ | raildo: we also need to discuss what to do when project is deleted | 16:27 |
| raildo | and this needs to be enable in keystone.conf | 16:27 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:27 |
| raildo | Nirbhay_: yes | 16:28 |
| raildo | #topic deleting project | 16:28 |
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| Nirbhay_ | by default quota =0 only solves case of project creation... | 16:28 |
| raildo | yes | 16:29 |
| Nirbhay_ | raildo: can you suggest any thing on deletion of projects | 16:30 |
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| Nirbhay_ | how should nova adjust quota of parent when child is deleted | 16:30 |
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| Nirbhay_ | right now nova will not come to know abt project deletion in keystone.. | 16:31 |
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| raildo | The existing bug about notification impacts exactly this point | 16:31 |
| Nirbhay_ | ok | 16:31 |
| raildo | We have to resolve this bug, or find a WA for that. | 16:31 |
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| sajeesh | ok | 16:32 |
| Nirbhay_ | but then we to read notification in nova | 16:32 |
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| raildo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/967832 | 16:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 967832 in neutron "Resources owned by a project/tenant are not cleaned up after that project is deleted from keystone" [Undecided,In progress] | 16:33 |
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| sajeesh | ok | 16:33 |
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| Nirbhay_ | yes I have seen it | 16:34 |
| raildo | IMO, if I delete a project, I must delete all instances contained in it | 16:34 |
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| Nirbhay_ | raildo: here issue is not of deleting instances | 16:35 |
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| Nirbhay_ | if I forgot to reduce quota then, even if I have deleted instances | 16:36 |
| Nirbhay_ | parent will not update is allocate quota.. | 16:36 |
| Nirbhay_ | *** its allocated quota value | 16:37 |
| raildo | well, if a child project is deleted, the parent quota should be updated. I believe that the child used quota, should enter in free-quota in parent project. | 16:38 |
| sajeesh | raildo,sorry I am connecting from an outside centre which will close now.I will check the logs. I will send you a detailed mail. | 16:38 |
| Nirbhay_ | yes | 16:38 |
| raildo | ok sajeesh | 16:38 |
| raildo | bye | 16:38 |
| sajeesh | bye all | 16:38 |
| Nirbhay_ | sajeesh: bye | 16:39 |
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| raildo | According to the email I sent, we saw that the Keystone sends the notification. The question is how the Nova'll consume it | 16:40 |
| Nirbhay_ | yes | 16:40 |
| raildo | I believe we should look like ceilometer uses this notification | 16:41 |
| Nirbhay_ | yes | 16:41 |
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| Nirbhay_ | i remember in mail have given link for that | 16:41 |
| raildo | I do not see another way to solve this problem. | 16:41 |
| Nirbhay_ | yes me too | 16:41 |
| Nirbhay_ | or other for the time being is to neglect deltion of project.. | 16:42 |
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| raildo | # action to investigate how the ceilometer consumes Keystone's notifications and find a way of Nova makingthe same . | 16:42 |
| raildo | making the same thing* | 16:42 |
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| Nirbhay_ | yes | 16:43 |
| Nirbhay_ | deletion of project without freeing its quota will lead to quota leak, just like memory leak we have when we do not free RAM | 16:43 |
| raildo | Nirbhay_: yes | 16:44 |
| Nirbhay_ | raildo: for time being we can go ahead with current design and neglect the effect of deletion of a project | 16:44 |
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| raildo | Making a brainstorm. Is not there a way to Nova check if the project still exist? | 16:45 |
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| Nirbhay_ | we can check that | 16:45 |
| Nirbhay_ | I vinod knows better on this | 16:46 |
| Nirbhay_ | before any update on we check that all child of project exist or not | 16:46 |
| raildo | try to do a Get Project , if he does not return, deletes instances, liberates the quota ... | 16:46 |
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| Nirbhay_ | before any update on **quota** we can heck that all child of project exist or not | 16:47 |
| Nirbhay_ | yes | 16:47 |
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| Nirbhay_ | +! | 16:47 |
| raildo | Nirbhay_: for now, that's a good WA | 16:47 |
| Nirbhay_ | +1 | 16:47 |
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| VINOD_ | Nirbhay: that is possible.... | 16:47 |
| VINOD_ | In nova, with the token, a query to Keystone can be sent using its API to check the project existence | 16:47 |
| raildo | #agree before any update on **quota** we can check that all child of project exist or not | 16:48 |
| raildo | VINOD_: ++ | 16:48 |
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| VINOD_ | The only problem i could see is RBAC rules... | 16:48 |
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| Nirbhay_ | raildo: ur BP has answer for vinod's doubt | 16:49 |
| VINOD_ | If lets say a user with a role "xyz" is allowed to update the quota (in policy.json file of nova)...but the same role cannot list the projects (in policy.json file of kEYSTONE) | 16:49 |
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| Nirbhay_ | a token to parent can be used to get token for child if role is inheritable | 16:49 |
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| raildo | Nirbhay_: yes | 16:50 |
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| Nirbhay_ | then it should work | 16:50 |
| raildo | By default, all users can list projects and how it is configured, I believe it is not a problem. | 16:51 |
| VINOD_ | I had given a different scenario....The admin of Keystone and the admin of Nova can modify their own policy.json files... | 16:51 |
| VINOD_ | raildo: yes...you are right... | 16:51 |
| VINOD_ | but what i am saying is the case when the policy files updated in the way i had told in the above example... | 16:52 |
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| Nirbhay_ | vinod: token contains list of child project why we need to go to keystone again | 16:53 |
| raildo | VINOD_: I don't see any solution in mind now. I'll think a bit more on this point. | 16:54 |
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| VINOD_ | Nirbhay: I thought you were asking the possibility of getting list at runtime in Nova | 16:54 |
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| Nirbhay_ | we get scoped token to parent, if we find any child missing in token list then can make its quota as zero..and update of quota of child whose is requested | 16:55 |
| VINOD_ | raildo: I will check and will get back to you | 16:55 |
| raildo | VINOD_: thanks :) | 16:55 |
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| Nirbhay_ | not at runtime | 16:55 |
| VINOD_ | Nirbhay: Last week also we discussed problem with this...the race conditions.... | 16:55 |
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| VINOD_ | Then what about in the delete case | 16:56 |
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| Nirbhay_ | ok yes race condition may happen | 16:56 |
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| VINOD_ | Also, if a child is missing in the token....you are saying to set it to zero...but how you can be sure that the admin has given right query... | 16:56 |
| Nirbhay_ | yes | 16:57 |
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| raildo | The time the meeting ended. We can discuss the rest by email. | 16:57 |
| VINOD_ | i mean if hierarchy A->B->C->D.....in the token at B, C is listed has child...but if i ask to update the quota of D.... | 16:57 |
| VINOD_ | ok | 16:57 |
| VINOD_ | raildo: ok | 16:57 |
| Nirbhay_ | ok bye to all | 16:57 |
| VINOD_ | bye | 16:57 |
| raildo | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Aug 1 16:57:44 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-08-01-16.03.html | 16:57 |
| raildo | bye all | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-08-01-16.03.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-08-01-16.03.log.html | 16:57 |
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