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| rm_work | . | 13:59 |
| blogan | good morning | 14:00 |
| german__ | morning | 14:00 |
| ptoohill | mornin | 14:00 |
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| evgenyf | Hi | 14:00 |
| blogan | enikanorov: you around? | 14:00 |
| sbalukoff1 | Morning! | 14:01 |
| rm_work | o/ | 14:01 |
| ptoohill | blogan, look in openstack-lbaas | 14:01 |
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| ptoohill | if you have the history, but.. mestery/enik is asking you to run the show today | 14:01 |
| blogan | ah mestery won't be making it until late | 14:01 |
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| jorgem | hello | 14:01 |
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| blogan | i'll let jorgem run the who today | 14:02 |
| enikanorov_ | hi | 14:02 |
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| sballe | Morning | 14:02 |
| enikanorov_ | looks like we have a quorum | 14:02 |
| markmcclain | hi | 14:02 |
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| enikanorov_ | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 26 14:02:38 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is enikanorov_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 14:02 |
| sballe | Sorry for not having been active lately. In face to face meeting which limit my online interaction | 14:02 |
| blogan | thanks enikanorov | 14:02 |
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| sbalukoff | sballe: It happens to the best of us. ;) | 14:03 |
| enikanorov_ | i think we need to start with choosing a volunteer for the lbaas meetings chair :) | 14:03 |
| sballe | sbalukoff, :-) | 14:03 |
| jorgem | I can spearhead that | 14:03 |
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| enikanorov_ | jorgem: that would be great | 14:04 |
| german__ | jorgem +1 | 14:04 |
| sballe | lbaas meeting chair: does that mean runnign the lbass meeting? | 14:04 |
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| jorgem | Unless someone else REALLY wants to lol | 14:04 |
| enikanorov_ | sballe: yep | 14:04 |
| sbalukoff | +1 to jorgem running these. :) | 14:04 |
| enikanorov_ | running the meeting, updating meeting wiki page | 14:04 |
| sballe | +1 jorgem | 14:04 |
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| blogan | +1 jorgem | 14:04 |
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| jorgem | Sounds good. I had some thoughts though that I'd be interested to hear people opinions on | 14:05 |
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| ctracey | ehlo | 14:05 |
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| s3wong | hello | 14:05 |
| jorgem | Does eveyone like the way the weekly standup etherpad doc is working for them thus far? | 14:05 |
| enikanorov_ | ok, jorgem, welcome to the Iron Throne! | 14:05 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: yep! | 14:05 |
| jorgem | woot! | 14:06 |
| german__ | yep | 14:06 |
| sballe | ye | 14:06 |
| blogan | enikanorov: are you saying he's joffrey? | 14:06 |
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| enikanorov_ | blogan: lol no | 14:06 |
| blogan | well i would have agreed lol | 14:06 |
| s3wong | blogan: ready for the purple wedding? | 14:06 |
| rm_work | blogan: no, spoilers, he's tommen | 14:07 |
| blogan | s3wong: ahh yeah | 14:07 |
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| jorgem | So does everyone have items they want to address today? | 14:07 |
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| jorgem | There was no agenda so let's try and set one up. | 14:07 |
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| enikanorov_ | jorgem: how about updates from those who are assigned? | 14:08 |
| sbalukoff | Do we know if markmcclain is going to join? | 14:08 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: he said hello | 14:08 |
| sbalukoff | I'd love to hear an update on his flavor framework write-up idea. | 14:08 |
| markmcclain | sbalukoff: I'm here:) | 14:08 |
| rm_work | he said hi earlier sbalukoff | 14:08 |
| rm_work | :P | 14:08 |
| sbalukoff | Oh! | 14:08 |
| sbalukoff | Yay! | 14:08 |
| markmcclain | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102723/2/specs/juno/neutron-flavor-framework.rst | 14:08 |
| sbalukoff | Sorry, it's early. | 14:08 |
| jorgem | Okay so updates are on the agenda. More than what is on the weekly standup I'm guessing | 14:08 |
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| sbalukoff | Sweet! | 14:08 |
| german__ | markmcclain woot! | 14:09 |
| sbalukoff | That's quick. XD | 14:09 |
| sballe | cool | 14:09 |
| jorgem | Nice thx mark | 14:09 |
| ctracey | One question that came in earlier in the week was around resource naming. Sounded like the direction was to (re)name 'pools' to 'nodepools'. Can we get clarification on that? | 14:09 |
| ctracey | blogan: ^^ | 14:09 |
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| german__ | nodepools +1 | 14:09 |
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| blogan | ctracey: it wasn't renaming to nodepools it was just a stopgrap until that one issue is figured out | 14:10 |
| ctracey | correct. | 14:10 |
| blogan | ctracey: which I will need to talk to markmcclain or enikanorov about or both | 14:10 |
| ctracey | my question is whether we think this is necessary and/or what the future impact will be | 14:10 |
| german__ | I still like nodepools more than pools :-) | 14:10 |
| jorgem | Is this something that can be addressed here or the ML? | 14:11 |
| sballe | I agree' | 14:11 |
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| ctracey | im fine with either venue | 14:11 |
| evgenyf | I have update for TLS: new patch was commited, please reiew it. Also, implementation for "old" model was commited for first review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102837/1. it will be rebased to new model when it lands | 14:11 |
| ctracey | (we were looking for agenda items :) ) | 14:12 |
| blogan | ok lets keep it one topic at a time, right now we have flavor framework, nodepools, and TLS. jorgem which should be discussed first? | 14:12 |
| jorgem | So far I have the following agenda items: | 14:12 |
| jorgem | 1) Updates | 14:12 |
| jorgem | 2) Node pools vs pools naming. | 14:12 |
| jorgem | 3) Mark McClain's flavor blueprint | 14:12 |
| jorgem | 4) evgenvy has update for TLS blueprint | 14:12 |
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| blogan | lets start with the top | 14:13 |
| jorgem | sounds good to me. | 14:13 |
| german__ | since we are alreday 12 mins in - let's close the agenda | 14:13 |
| jorgem | +1 | 14:13 |
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| avishayb__ | and L7 switching doc as well https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99709/8 | 14:13 |
| jorgem | Okay, so any important updates that aren't in the weekly standup doc? | 14:13 |
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| jorgem | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-lbaas-weekly-standup | 14:14 |
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| jorgem | In case anyone is wondering where the standup is | 14:14 |
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| blogan | we've got the extensin, plugin, and db piece of the refactor nearly complete | 14:14 |
| blogan | next would unit tests and drivers, which includes the mammoth agent piece | 14:15 |
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| jorgem | Any other updates from other teams? | 14:15 |
| german__ | I updated the etherpad | 14:16 |
| ctracey | I have much of the CLI work done and will be committing more of it today | 14:16 |
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| ctracey | I have also been hacking on devstack to get that up and working | 14:16 |
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| jorgem | As a side note, I was going to have the wiki be the central place for links and such to etherpads etc. | 14:16 |
| jorgem | Because, I think we all can agree managing bookmarks suck :) | 14:17 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: +1 | 14:17 |
| markmcclain | good idea | 14:17 |
| ctracey | yesterday we decided to co-locate our work under https://github.com/oslbaas....just while we are bootstrapping | 14:17 |
| german__ | + 1 | 14:17 |
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| jorgem | ctracey: Could you link the full url please | 14:17 |
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| jorgem | #link https://github.com/oslbaas | 14:18 |
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| jorgem | nm I got it | 14:18 |
| jorgem | Okay, let's move to item 2: node pools vs pools naming | 14:18 |
| jorgem | Who wants to kick off that discussion? | 14:18 |
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| blogan | i wil | 14:18 |
| blogan | l | 14:19 |
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| blogan | the reason I went with the different name is because since we are going ot have v1 of the lbaas api running alongside v2 at first, if two extensions use the same resource name then the neutron API will set it up so that the attributes of v1 pool and v2 pool will be combined | 14:20 |
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| blogan | so v1 pool has subnet_id and lb_method, v2 doesn't have subnet_id and has lb_algorithm, when a v2 pool is created the API will reject the call because it does not have subnet_id and lb_method | 14:20 |
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| ctracey | yes. I need to take a deeper dive into this code, but if the way I understand it is true, this seems like a limitation of the routing framework. | 14:21 |
| blogan | if everyone just wants to change it to nodepools then fine, we should also change members to nodes. | 14:22 |
| blogan | however I still prefer pool of nodepool | 14:22 |
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| ctracey | pool over nodepool? | 14:22 |
| ctracey | i prefer pool | 14:22 |
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| blogan | yeah of = over | 14:22 |
| blogan | any suggestions, ideas, opinions? | 14:23 |
| jorgem | Which blueprint is this relevant to? I'd like to capture that. | 14:23 |
| ctracey | the point I am trying to touch is that once we name it we should not rename | 14:23 |
| blogan | obj model refactor | 14:23 |
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| ctracey | but i am surprised by this as it kind of makes our namespace change from /lb to /lbaas meaningless | 14:24 |
| sbalukoff | ctracey: +1 | 14:24 |
| blogan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89903/ | 14:24 |
| jorgem | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89903/ | 14:24 |
| blogan | ctracey: not totally meaningless, but definitely less meaningful | 14:24 |
| ctracey | +1 | 14:25 |
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| blogan | if anyone has any future suggestions, ideas, opinions take it to the ML | 14:25 |
| ctracey | sounds good....I will formulate some today | 14:25 |
| jorgem | Sounds good. I need to understand the problem in more depth myself. | 14:25 |
| ctracey | after digging more | 14:25 |
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| blogan | ill shwo you today jorgem | 14:26 |
| jorgem | Okay, let's move on to item 3 then. | 14:26 |
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| jorgem | Item 3 is markmcclain's flavor bp | 14:26 |
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| jorgem | Has everyone had a chance to look at it? I see some comments on it. | 14:26 |
| enikanorov_ | yes, I did | 14:27 |
| german__ | I just saw the link - so no | 14:27 |
| sbalukoff | I have not yet had a chance to review it thoroughly. | 14:27 |
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| sballe | ditto | 14:27 |
| enikanorov_ | i've left comments on gerrit | 14:27 |
| jorgem | For those that did, anything you want to weigh in on? | 14:27 |
| german__ | maybe we should table it until we all read it? | 14:27 |
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| rm_work | german__: +1 | 14:27 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: adding responses to questions | 14:28 |
| s3wong | well, FYI, there will be an IRC meeting tomorrow at 17:30 UTC on #openstack-meeting-3 in hope to decide on the flavor framework | 14:28 |
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| jorgem | german__: That's fine with me. Just wanted to see if we should be focusing on something. | 14:28 |
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| german__ | agreed | 14:28 |
| sbalukoff | s3wong: Oh thank goodness it isn't any earlier than this meeting. XD | 14:28 |
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| sbalukoff | jorgem: I'm fine with tabling it until tomorrow's meeting. | 14:28 |
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| sballe | sbalukoff, +1 | 14:29 |
| jorgem | markmcclain: Anything we should pay special attention to when reviewing the doc? | 14:29 |
| markmcclain | jorgem: not really.. it follow last week's discussion | 14:30 |
| jorgem | Okay, well let's move on to item 4 then... | 14:30 |
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| jorgem | Item 4 is TLS blueprint update. evgenyf: You want to kick that off? | 14:30 |
| evgenyf | Yes | 14:30 |
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| evgenyf | New patch was pushed today earlier | 14:31 |
| evgenyf | Please review it | 14:31 |
| vjay2 | * Added marks blueprint to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno_lbaas_mid_cycle_meetup_reviews | 14:31 |
| ptoohill | please also review related BP https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100931/ | 14:31 |
| ptoohill | which is related to this topic | 14:31 |
| evgenyf | I also commited implementation for first review | 14:31 |
| jorgem | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100931/ | 14:32 |
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| evgenyf | it's related to current model | 14:32 |
| sbalukoff | evgenyf: Looking at the commit comments, does your proposal bring TLS to the old model? | 14:32 |
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| evgenyf | sbalukoff:Yes, it will be rebased to new one when it land | 14:32 |
| sbalukoff | So, I have a problem with bringing TLS to the old model: I don't think we should do it. | 14:33 |
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| sbalukoff | I think we should only have TLS on the new model. | 14:33 |
| german__ | sbalukoff +1 | 14:33 |
| ptoohill | i sorta agree here | 14:33 |
| ptoohill | +1 | 14:33 |
| vjay2 | +1 | 14:33 |
| ctracey | sbalukoff: +1 | 14:33 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:33 |
| evgenyf | sbalukoff: It will be for new model only, this review is just for getting first feedback on implementation | 14:33 |
| sbalukoff | It seems like it will only be more work to port your proposal over, potentially requiring additional work for people writing shims. | 14:33 |
| sbalukoff | (For no real benefit) | 14:34 |
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| sbalukoff | evgenyf: Ok, I'm confused then. What's the point of proposing TLS that touches the old model at all? | 14:34 |
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| ctracey | this should probably be extended to all of lbaas...that we draw a line in the sand that all new features go to v2 only. | 14:35 |
| german__ | ctracey +1 | 14:35 |
| sbalukoff | ctracey: +1 | 14:35 |
| jorgem | ctracey: +1 | 14:35 |
| TrevorV | ctracey, +1 | 14:35 |
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| johnsom | ctracey: +1 | 14:35 |
| rm_work | +1 | 14:36 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:36 |
| ctracey | this will be hard enough to get done as it is | 14:36 |
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| sbalukoff | I hear that! | 14:36 |
| sbalukoff | Can I get an 'Amen brother'? | 14:36 |
| ctracey | and well we have monkey patching :) | 14:36 |
| german__ | isn't +1 the short form | 14:36 |
| sbalukoff | german__: Yea, sorry. Again, I blame it being early. That and I'm a bit of a clown. | 14:37 |
| german__ | coffee helps | 14:37 |
| german__ | :-) | 14:37 |
| vivek-ebay | ctracey +1 | 14:37 |
| ptoohill | forgot the 'eh' | 14:37 |
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| jorgem | So I'm hearing to implement TLS work on refactored code crrect? | 14:37 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: *only* on refactored code. | 14:38 |
| german__ | yes, all new features only for v2 object model | 14:38 |
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| ctracey | TLS in this sense would also serve as a carrot to hopefully entice users to upgrade | 14:38 |
| german__ | we will have a stick, too | 14:39 |
| evgenyf | Do we know when to expect the new model code to be commited? | 14:39 |
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| german__ | blogan? | 14:39 |
| sbalukoff | Definitely before Juno. ;) | 14:39 |
| jorgem | evgenyf: From what blogan tells me it will be pretty soon. | 14:39 |
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| ptoohill | evgenyf, theres a fork that can be viewed with the changes if youd like to begin some sort of work against the new object model | 14:39 |
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| jorgem | He went offline as his internet is being flakey right now btw | 14:39 |
| evgenyf | Good:) so I will rebase my code on it and re-commit | 14:39 |
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| ctracey | i will be refocusing some of my efforts to go through the object model today | 14:40 |
| sbalukoff | evgenyf: Awesome! Thanks! | 14:40 |
| jorgem | evgenyf: Thanks! | 14:40 |
| ctracey | giving any help they need there | 14:40 |
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| jorgem | okay, are we ready to move on to next topic? | 14:40 |
| german__ | let's not put too much development outside of the official neutron channels | 14:40 |
| TrevorV | correct me if I'm wrong, but VijayB was also helping with that | 14:40 |
| ptoohill | evgenyf, could you link where your code lives | 14:40 |
| sballe | german__, +1 | 14:40 |
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| ctracey | yep | 14:40 |
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| ctracey | german__: can you elaborate? | 14:41 |
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| evgenyf | ptoohill: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102837/1 | 14:41 |
| german__ | if we all work on the branch we will have a huge commit coming | 14:41 |
| ptoohill | excellent, thank you | 14:41 |
| german__ | which might be difficult to bring back in | 14:41 |
| german__ | so we should stagger it somehow | 14:42 |
| VijayB | Hi TrevorV : I just joined - am out of context - are we talking about the neutron interfaces or about the new extension itself? | 14:42 |
| ctracey | i have broken my work into multiple reviews | 14:42 |
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| ctracey | and will be adding more | 14:42 |
| german__ | ok, just making sure... | 14:42 |
| evgenyf | ptoohill: there is that fork you mentioned? | 14:42 |
| ptoohill | one sec | 14:42 |
| ptoohill | #link https://github.com/brandonlogan/neutron | 14:43 |
| german__ | I don't want us to create a prallel universe | 14:43 |
| ctracey | i have been operating with multiple feature branches that I occasionally roll up into a single feature branch | 14:43 |
| ctracey | for testing | 14:43 |
| evgenyf | ptoohill: Thank you | 14:43 |
| jorgem | german__: you mean multiverse :) | 14:43 |
| german__ | yep, and then we have trouble unifying it | 14:43 |
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| ptoohill | there is also the 'base' repo that was linked above | 14:43 |
| TrevorV | VijayB, We were talking about new Object Model, and blogan couldn't answer for himself, so since you were working with him I thought you might have an idea, but I think that topic has passed now | 14:43 |
| ptoohill | blogan branch forks from here: https://github.com/oslbaas/neutron | 14:44 |
| jorgem | Okay, last item is the L7 switching blueprint. avishayb__ could you provide link and start discussion on this? | 14:44 |
| VijayB | TrevorV: ah ok, thanks :) I guess we can take up additional questions on #openstack-lbaas later if people have any... | 14:45 |
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| vjay2 | could we have all these links captured (or is it already there?) | 14:45 |
| german__ | the meeting bot will do it | 14:45 |
| avishayb__ | here:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99709/8 | 14:45 |
| vjay2 | i checked this for reviews to be done https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno_lbaas_mid_cycle_meetup_reviews | 14:45 |
| german__ | but jorgem is also adding them to the wiki | 14:46 |
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| avishayb__ | I think we are almost there.. waiting for another review. | 14:46 |
| jorgem | german__: correct, I will search and compile a list of relevant links | 14:46 |
| german__ | thanks | 14:46 |
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| jorgem | #action Jorge to unify the many links floating around | 14:46 |
| vjay2 | could you paste the wiki link which is in development here? | 14:47 |
| jorgem | I will reach out on the channel today to get links from everyone if they aren't in the weekly standup doc | 14:47 |
| jorgem | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS | 14:47 |
| jorgem | I will use this as the central wiki page | 14:47 |
| vjay2 | thanks! | 14:47 |
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| jorgem | Okay we have about 10 mins left. | 14:48 |
| evgenyf | for TLS topic: guys please give your feedback for today's commit on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98640/12 | 14:48 |
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| jorgem | Okay, anything else related to TLS? | 14:48 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98640/12 | 14:48 |
| evgenyf | It makes signs to be completed soon:) | 14:48 |
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| jorgem | Going once... | 14:49 |
| jorgem | Okay, let's switch to last topic then. | 14:49 |
| jorgem | avishayb__: L7 switching bp. Go ahead and kick that off please. | 14:50 |
| avishayb__ | I just did, you missed it.. | 14:50 |
| jorgem | oops! sorry | 14:50 |
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| avishayb__ | design doc here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99709/8 | 14:50 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99709/8 | 14:50 |
| avishayb__ | no pb :) | 14:50 |
| jorgem | avishayb__: Anything specific you wanted to talk about? | 14:51 |
| sbalukoff | avishayb__: My only comment is that I don't like delaying until after Juno for a few of those compare types (as I've said a few times now) | 14:51 |
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| avishayb__ | sbalukoff I took care of that | 14:51 |
| sbalukoff | Oh good! | 14:51 |
| sbalukoff | I'll have another look at it today, then. | 14:51 |
| avishayb__ | thanks | 14:51 |
| sbalukoff | Anyway, the L7 stuff is dependent on the new object model and API landing. | 14:52 |
| sbalukoff | But it shouldn't be delayed much after that. | 14:52 |
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| avishayb__ | yep - waiting for the fiest commit of the new model | 14:52 |
| avishayb__ | *first | 14:52 |
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| sbalukoff | It would be great to get the spec approved as soon as possible, though. | 14:53 |
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| ptoohill | same with tls specs | 14:53 |
| sbalukoff | Yes, indeed! | 14:53 |
| sbalukoff | Seems like there's less contention about the L7 spec. | 14:54 |
| ptoohill | agreed ;) | 14:54 |
| sbalukoff | (Though that may simply be fewer people reviewing it. ;) ) | 14:54 |
| vjay2 | Actually, Haven't had a chance to look at the L7 switching blueprint (i dont know who else other than sbalkoff did) | 14:54 |
| german__ | that;s what I am thiniking | 14:54 |
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| * vivek-ebay brb | 14:54 | |
| sbalukoff | So, since this group thrives on contention, let's get a few more eyes on it. ;) | 14:54 |
| avishayb__ | its time for you guys to have a look there .. | 14:55 |
| german__ | #action everyone review TLS spec | 14:55 |
| sbalukoff | #action everyone review L7 spec | 14:55 |
| jorgem | #action Eveyone look at L7 switching blueprint | 14:55 |
| sbalukoff | D'oh! | 14:55 |
| jorgem | lol | 14:55 |
| jorgem | well now it is important lol | 14:55 |
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| german__ | this is settled | 14:55 |
| sbalukoff | Doubly so. | 14:55 |
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| ptoohill | more coffee | 14:56 |
| jorgem | Okay so we have about 5 mins left. Here is a recap thus far: | 14:56 |
| german__ | for the lat 5 minutes, rmwork brabican update or shouldw e take that to the channel | 14:56 |
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| jorgem | 1) Updates | 14:56 |
| jorgem | Located @ https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-lbaas-weekly-standup | 14:56 |
| jorgem | 2) Node pools vs pools naming. | 14:56 |
| jorgem | Moving discussion to ML | 14:56 |
| jorgem | 3) Mark McClain's flavor blueprint | 14:56 |
| jorgem | Everyone please review. Meeting tomorrow on this item. | 14:56 |
| jorgem | 4) TLS blueprint update (evgenyf) | 14:56 |
| jorgem | We agreed to move dev effort to v2 only. | 14:56 |
| jorgem | 5) L7 switching blueprint (avishavb) | 14:56 |
| jorgem | Everyone please review bp. | 14:56 |
| ptoohill | not sure rm_work is available at the moment | 14:56 |
| german__ | ok, channel it is then | 14:56 |
| rm_work | i am | 14:56 |
| ptoohill | so, he is :) | 14:56 |
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| german__ | I saw a +2 -- so we are good now? | 14:57 |
| rm_work | Proposing an update to that BP today | 14:57 |
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| sbalukoff | rm_work great! | 14:57 |
| rm_work | splitting the work and into multiple CRs so we can get the first one in and address Arvind and Igor's comments on later CRs | 14:57 |
| sbalukoff | Want to add another action item to re-review it? | 14:57 |
| rm_work | That's pretty much it | 14:57 |
| rm_work | I can poke peope when I post it | 14:58 |
| german__ | k, sounds good | 14:58 |
| rm_work | It'll be later today | 14:58 |
| sballe | rm_work, please do | 14:58 |
| rm_work | kk | 14:58 |
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| TrevorV | Just don't poke too hard | 14:58 |
| jorgem | Looks like everyone is quite busy so the important thing is to cross-review. At least, that seems like the biggest takeaway from today's meeting. | 14:58 |
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| jorgem | Good stuff! | 14:58 |
| sbalukoff | Yay! | 14:58 |
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| jorgem | BTW did we decide any deadlines on stuff? | 14:59 |
| german__ | no, | 14:59 |
| jorgem | 30 secs left…ready…set…go! | 14:59 |
| sballe | bye | 14:59 |
| german__ | bye | 14:59 |
| jorgem | lol | 14:59 |
| avishayb__ | bye | 14:59 |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 14:59 |
| ptoohill | Thank you all, good meeting! buhbye | 14:59 |
| jorgem | okay, I guess I'll ask that later | 14:59 |
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| sbalukoff | Thanks, y'all! | 14:59 |
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| rm_work | o/ | 14:59 |
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| vjay2 | Bye | 15:00 |
| TrevorV | \o/ | 15:00 |
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| rm_work | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| jorgem | let me try to end this thing... | 15:00 |
| rm_work | nope | 15:00 |
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| jorgem | #end-meeting | 15:00 |
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| jorgem | hmm | 15:00 |
| jorgem | we don't have access :( | 15:00 |
| rm_work | does enikanorov have to do it? | 15:00 |
| rm_work | since he started it? | 15:00 |
| jorgem | yes until the torch is passed to me hehe | 15:00 |
| eglynn | #endmeeting whatever | 15:00 |
| rm_work | enikanorov_: | 15:00 |
| rm_work | oh | 15:01 |
| rm_work | #endmeeting neutron_lbaas | 15:01 |
| DinaBelova | :D:D:D | 15:01 |
| jd__ | now we'll have to wait 2 minutes | 15:01 |
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| jorgem | #kill −9 meeting | 15:01 |
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| sbalukoff | Haha | 15:01 |
| eglynn | enikanorov: there? | 15:01 |
| jd__ | it auto end after one hour AFAIK | 15:01 |
| llu-laptop | :) | 15:01 |
| jorgem | dang | 15:01 |
| TrevorV | #sudo kill -9 meeting | 15:01 |
| TrevorV | Silly kid | 15:01 |
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| enikanorov_ | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 26 15:01:38 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
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| eglynn | #endmeeting whatever | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-06-26-14.02.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-06-26-14.02.txt | 15:01 |
| enikanorov_ | sorry folks | 15:01 |
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| DinaBelova | yeah! | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-06-26-14.02.log.html | 15:01 |
| enikanorov_ | DinaBelova: ;) | 15:01 |
| eglynn | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 26 15:01:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:01 |
| jd__ | o/ | 15:02 |
| eglynn | hey folks | 15:02 |
| Alexei_987 | o/ | 15:02 |
| DinaBelova | o/ | 15:02 |
| shengjiemin | o/ | 15:02 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:02 |
| vrovachev | o/ | 15:02 |
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| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:02 |
| gordc | o/ | 15:02 |
| ityaptin | o/ | 15:02 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:02 |
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| nealph | o/ | 15:02 |
| KurtRao | o/ | 15:02 |
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| enikanorov_ | adolf would be pleased to see this | 15:02 |
| eglynn | #topic Juno-2 planning, progress on blueprint filing | 15:02 |
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| fabio_ | o/ | 15:02 |
| eglynn | so you probably saw the ML thread on a cut-off point for spec filing and landing | 15:02 |
| llu-laptop | same day as nova? | 15:03 |
| eglynn | it involves a bunch of new TLAs | 15:03 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: yeah, that was the idea | 15:03 |
| tongli | o/ | 15:03 |
| llu-laptop | jul 4th & jul 10th? | 15:03 |
| eglynn | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/ceilometer-specs,n,z | 15:03 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: +/- a day, I was thinking more July 11th (end of week) | 15:04 |
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| llu-laptop | ok | 15:04 |
| eglynn | so I guess the message is ... if you have a spec you want to propose for juno, don't delay! | 15:04 |
| llu-laptop | i have to hurry up :( | 15:05 |
| eglynn | ... oh, dunno, maybe for SNMP improvements? ;) | 15:05 |
| eglynn | LOL :) | 15:05 |
| eglynn | how about we copy the cool kids in Ironic? | 15:05 |
| shengjiemin | does that mean all the reviews need to be finished by them? | 15:05 |
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| shengjiemin | i meant all the specs | 15:05 |
| eglynn | ... and do a "review jam" together while in Paris? | 15:05 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn +1 | 15:05 |
| fabio_ | eglynn +1 | 15:06 |
| ildikov | eglynn: that could work | 15:06 |
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| eglynn | shengjiemin: SPD ... deadline for spec proposal Jul 4th, SAD .. deadline for spec landing Jul 11th | 15:06 |
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| eglynn | piyush had a spec in the works on declarative metering, but no sign yet | 15:07 |
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| shengjiemin | eglynn: ok | 15:07 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: otherwise it might make sense to re-purpose that idea ^^^ for code-free SNMP metering? | 15:07 |
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| llu-laptop | I don't think they're alike, | 15:08 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: TBH the declarative metering idea seems even more useful for SNMP (to me) | 15:09 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: ... i.e. a generic SNMP OID -> (meter name, unit, type) mapping | 15:09 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: ... anyway just a thought, lsmola__ would be a very happy man if such a thing were to exist for SNMP | 15:10 |
| llu-laptop | snmp has something different than the hyperv's. but snmp have some metrics which can not directly mapped from OIDs. | 15:10 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: a-ha ok, I guess we should discuss the details off-line | 15:11 |
| llu-laptop | I'll try to leverage that kind of thought as much as I could, at least for those snmp oids which can be directed map to metrics | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: that would be great! :) ... thank you sir! | 15:11 |
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| lsmola__ | llu-laptop: I agree, it will be hard to define it in general | 15:12 |
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| eglynn | k, not much more to say on juno-2 planning other than the obvious | 15:12 |
| eglynn | ... i.e. the clock is a-tickin'! | 15:12 |
| lsmola__ | llu-laptop: btw. it should be somehow tied to discovery and snmp | 15:12 |
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| eglynn | move on, or? | 15:13 |
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| llu-laptop | lsmola__: yes, it will depend on your patch | 15:13 |
| llu-laptop | go on | 15:13 |
| eglynn | #topic TSDaaS/gnocchi update | 15:13 |
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| * jd__ clears his throat | 15:13 | |
| eglynn | jd__: ... the floor is your's :) | 15:13 |
| lsmola__ | llu-laptop: so for some hardware we can have group of OIDs SNMPv3, for e.g. some switches it would be other group of OIDs etc.. | 15:13 |
| jd__ | or fingers | 15:13 |
| jd__ | not a lot of update on the code actually this week | 15:14 |
| jd__ | but we exchanged too many emails on how to do a proper aggregation | 15:14 |
| jd__ | I think we had a lot of progress on this area | 15:14 |
| jd__ | now I should be able to write some code, very soon | 15:15 |
| lsmola__ | llu-laptop: btw. I noticed that if you have to do SNMP walk through multiple devices, you store the device info under same resoruce but different metadata | 15:15 |
| eglynn | yeah I think we're slowly converging, apols for labouring the point to death | 15:15 |
| jd__ | maybe not today because my brain's still burning :-) | 15:15 |
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| * DinaBelova thinking eglynn started one more mailing thread to kill jd__ :D | 15:15 | |
| lsmola__ | llu-laptop: is there a way to retrieve list of devices in resource? and e.g. stats for only one device? | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, btw, what's about the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98798/ ? are you planning to continue working on it, or it should be chosen someone to continue it? | 15:16 |
| lsmola__ | llu-laptop: I didn't check for a while what operations with metadata are allowed | 15:16 |
| jd__ | DinaBelova: I will, but I prefer to work on the aggregation stuff we're discussing with eglynn first | 15:17 |
| jd__ | so if someone wants to step in, be my guest | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, ok :) | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | I guess it's a good idea while the aggregation ideas are fresh and hot | 15:17 |
| eglynn | yeah I think we should get the aggregation and tagging tied down first | 15:17 |
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| jd__ | yeah that's why I keep reading and sending emails :) | 15:17 |
| eglynn | on those long-winded email threads, jd__ would you prefer on dev-list discussion or OK with a smaller group? | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, :D | 15:18 |
| * eglynn tried to create a openstack-gnocchi list, didn't fly tho' | 15:18 | |
| jd__ | eglynn: I'm ok with a smaller group, it's already hard enough to follow | 15:18 |
| eglynn | jd__: cool enough | 15:18 |
| jd__ | having random smart ass poping in with smart idea or URLs isn't gonna help me | 15:18 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, as for the tagging - I've went through jd__'s answer about the autoscaling, really I feel tagging is still useful, but I see no clear objections for the his solution too | 15:18 |
| jd__ | (ok sometimes it does but it's rare :-)) | 15:19 |
| eglynn | yeah low noise-to-signal ration sometimes | 15:19 |
| eglynn | *ratio | 15:19 |
| jd__ | (eglynn: though I'd love to have a openstack-ceilometer list ultimately, but life…) | 15:19 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: yeah, I need to digest jd__'s response on that tagging question | 15:19 |
| jd__ | "ah, people" ya know. | 15:19 |
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| jd__ | cool | 15:20 |
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| eglynn | jd__: yeah, me too, but I think the os-infra are against per-project lists in general | 15:20 |
| eglynn | I guess we could set up something external, say googlegroups or the likes ... | 15:20 |
| DinaBelova | probably we may go to the open discussion? | 15:21 |
| jd__ | I hear revolution whispered | 15:21 |
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| eglynn | LOL :) | 15:21 |
| DinaBelova | :D:D:D | 15:21 |
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| DinaBelova | that's open discussion anyway :D | 15:21 |
| eglynn | ... before open discussion, let's talk about gay Paree! | 15:21 |
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| eglynn | #topic Mid-cycle agenda | 15:21 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, hehe, when I looked on the agenda it was no this item there :D | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | sorry | 15:22 |
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| jd__ | gay Paree, lol | 15:22 |
| eglynn | here's an idea, how about an etherpad for a super-lightweight agenda | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, +1 | 15:22 |
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| eglynn | DinaBelova: added it a few minutes ago | 15:22 |
| jd__ | good idea | 15:22 |
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| eglynn | so maybe just a rough list of topics with owners | 15:22 |
| ildikov | eglynn: like go there, talk and then come home? ;) | 15:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | eglynn, we've been using etherpad for managing storyboard sprint agenda this winter and it was working well | 15:23 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/paris-July2014-ceilometer-sprint ? | 15:23 |
| eglynn | ildikov: nope more come prepared with research done on the topic and ready to finalize the discussion and write some code! | 15:23 |
| ildikov | eglynn: very ambitious ;) | 15:24 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: cool! ... I had some v. rough notes, pasting | 15:24 |
| eglynn | ... if folks could pile in on DinaBelova's etherpad and start adding/subtracting topics, that would be great! | 15:25 |
| gordc | i'm still working on approval but if i do make it i should have some info influx... playing around with it right now. | 15:25 |
| eglynn | ... and the agenda writes itself, /me loves it! :) | 15:26 |
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| eglynn | gordc: cool, fingers crossed the approval will come through! | 15:26 |
| * jd__ . o O (if only the code could do that too and writes itself) | 15:26 | |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, jd__ :D | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/paris-July2014-ceilometer-sprint | 15:27 |
| eglynn | jd__: LOL :) ... what, you tellin' me there's no "generate code" button on powerpoint!?!! ;) | 15:27 |
| jd__ | hehe | 15:27 |
| eglynn | jd__: anything else on logistics, e.g. start time on Wednesday morning? | 15:28 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: jd__: next cycle's innovation can be model driven development in Ceilo, so you can draw the code instead of writing :) | 15:28 |
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| DinaBelova | ildikov, I guess we'll have only girl-team if so | 15:29 |
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| DinaBelova | ildikov - who love drawing :) | 15:29 |
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| eglynn | ildikov: email-driven codegen is what /me needs ;) | 15:29 |
| ildikov | DinaBelova: I love, but with a pen on real paper and not really UML diagrams, but well, maybe you're right :) | 15:30 |
| eglynn | I guess we're in open discussion territory already ... | 15:30 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: I don't have that much capacity for reviewing ;) | 15:30 |
| eglynn | #topic open discussion | 15:30 |
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| DinaBelova | ok, so I'd love to ask eglynn and amalagon :) | 15:30 |
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| Alexei_987 | I would like to make a small announcement | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | about that mystery docco | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | Alexei_987, oh, ok, go ahead | 15:30 |
| Alexei_987 | I have good and bad news for you | 15:30 |
| amalagon | err... | 15:30 |
| Alexei_987 | and the news is that I will no longer contribute to ceilometer | 15:31 |
| Alexei_987 | so I wish you all good luck | 15:31 |
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| Alexei_987 | and my farewell words could be “I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.” | 15:31 |
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| Alexei_987 | thanks for your patience :) | 15:31 |
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| eglynn | Alexei_987: good luck and thank you for your contributions | 15:31 |
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| DinaBelova | Alexei_987, thank you for taking part :) | 15:32 |
| eglynn | Alexei_987: ... are you staying around the community on other projects? | 15:32 |
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| Alexei_987 | eglynn: yes I will contribute to other openstack projects | 15:32 |
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| eglynn | Alexei_987: ok, well maybe our paths will cross again in the future in that case ... | 15:32 |
| ildikov | Alexei_987: all good to you too | 15:33 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: sure | 15:33 |
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| gordc | Alexei_987: good luck! pop back in some times. your reviews and contributes were very useful. | 15:33 |
| llu-laptop | Alexei_987: good luck, sorry to lose you in CM | 15:33 |
| DinaBelova | amalagon, eglynn - returning back to my question... | 15:33 |
| shengjiemin | Alexei_987: good luck | 15:33 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: ... so that write-up that Ana is working on | 15:34 |
| amalagon | oh yeah: mystery docco = https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VUk24Ft6SDYuQX9cAL12Dmz1AFQYIaO6qebC93h8xHY/edit# | 15:34 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: (options for computing moving-averages, exponential smoothing and the likes, over gnocchi time-series) | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | yes, yes :) | 15:34 |
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| DinaBelova | amalagon, thanks! | 15:34 |
| amalagon | sure! | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | wow-wow, I see eglynn was there :D | 15:34 |
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| DinaBelova | amalagon, I'll go through it, as that's really interesting topic | 15:35 |
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| DinaBelova | amalagon, won't you mind if I'll post some comment if I'll have some? | 15:35 |
| amalagon | please do! | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | amalagon, np :) | 15:35 |
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| DinaBelova | amalagon, that was some kind of this I wanted to bring up to the open disc :) | 15:36 |
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| DinaBelova | not to flood all other parts | 15:36 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: so no mystery was intended, the doc was just a way of gathering together some IRC brainstorming in a more coherent form | 15:36 |
| eglynn | ... also good to have a record of progress on OPW work | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, yeah, I just used this word as nobody could see that before :) | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | except u & Ana | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, do we have other things to discuss here? | 15:37 |
| eglynn | BTW amalagon discovered an interesting bug in the etherpad-lite version used in openstack | 15:38 |
| eglynn | (hence the use of googledocs) | 15:38 |
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| eglynn | TL;DR: don't rely on openstack etherpad to store long docs | 15:38 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, hm, which one? | 15:38 |
| DinaBelova | oh | 15:38 |
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| amalagon | it froze but eglynn saved the day - /export/txt | 15:38 |
| llu-laptop | what's the bug, amalagon | 15:38 |
| DinaBelova | oh, that's ugly... | 15:38 |
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| amalagon | the ether pad just hung on "loading" and wouldn't show the content | 15:39 |
| eglynn | there's a magic number of lines, maybe 800, after which it dies | 15:39 |
| DinaBelova | thanks for naminmg this issue... | 15:39 |
| ildikov | amalagon: it usually gets disconnected me after a few mins and then some of my typing is gone, so I never liked it that much... | 15:39 |
| eglynn | ... the garish line colours make my eyes bleed ;) | 15:40 |
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| amalagon | :)) /me big fan of the garish line colors | 15:40 |
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| llu-laptop | amalagon: thanks for the findings, we some quite some meeting minutes on etherpad and it's growing, i'll save them somewhere else | 15:41 |
| ildikov | eglynn: girls like it :) | 15:41 |
| llu-laptop | ildikov: :) | 15:41 |
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| amalagon | llu-laptop, good call | 15:41 |
| eglynn | ildikov: any colour is fine with /me ... as long as it's black ;) | 15:41 |
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| amalagon | lol | 15:41 |
| eglynn | anything else folks? | 15:43 |
| shengjiemin | quick one - guys, as I mentioned last week, added in a zabbix bp-specs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102713/ | 15:43 |
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| shengjiemin | pls have a look :) | 15:43 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, nope | 15:43 |
| eglynn | shengjiemin: will do | 15:43 |
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| shengjiemin | eglynn: cheers | 15:43 |
| ildikov | eglynn: we had a balck Ford right after I had my driving license, that was my favourite car ever with the traditional color :) | 15:43 |
| eglynn | very appropriate, given the originator of that saying! | 15:44 |
| eglynn | ok | 15:44 |
| eglynn | ... for those coming to Paris next week, happy travels! | 15:44 |
| eglynn | ... hopefully the air traffic controllers won't go on strike | 15:44 |
| eglynn | ... again! ;) | 15:44 |
| shengjiemin | eglynn: u guys have fun!!! | 15:44 |
| ildikov | and what time finally then? | 15:45 |
| shengjiemin | eglynn: LOL | 15:45 |
| eglynn | ildikov: dunno, 9am? | 15:45 |
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| eglynn | ... or is earlier traditional in France? | 15:45 |
| eglynn | jd__: ^^^ | 15:45 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: I'm fine with 9am :) | 15:46 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:46 |
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| eglynn | see y'all next week then ... or failing that, next November same place! :) | 15:46 |
| eglynn | #endmeeting ceilometer | 15:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 26 15:46:51 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-06-26-15.01.html | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-06-26-15.01.txt | 15:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-06-26-15.01.log.html | 15:46 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 26 22:00:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 22:00 |
| mtreinish | hi who's here today? | 22:00 |
| asselin | hi | 22:00 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_June_26_2014_.282200_UTC.29 | 22:00 |
| dpaterson | hi | 22:00 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 22:00 |
| mlavalle | hi | 22:00 |
| masayukig | hi | 22:01 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: you around? | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | ok well let's get started | 22:02 |
| dkranz | Any one here? | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | #topic Juno specs proposal cutoff date? (mtreinish) | 22:02 |
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| dpaterson | hi | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | so this is something I've been thinking about because the reviews on the qa-specs repo have been moving slowly | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | as a way to try and increase velocity there we set a cutoff date for when we stop accepting specs targetted for juno | 22:03 |
| asselin | when is that? | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | asselin: I was thinking the end of July, but I wanted some feedback before we started enforcing it | 22:04 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I don't think we should stop accepting specs until there is not time to implement | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | does it sound like a good idea? | 22:04 |
| sdague | mtreinish: oh, yeh | 22:04 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: what is the purpose? | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I'm just trying to think of ways to motivate reviews on the specs repo | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | it goes both ways because a bunch of reviews have sat there with -1's and no response for a while | 22:05 |
| sdague | mtreinish: nova just did a specs review day, that was handy | 22:05 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I think that is an issue for the core team. Something is making us not want to review them even as we do other stuff | 22:05 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I think that is a great idea | 22:05 |
| sdague | dkranz: sure, honestly, I'll say my overall review level has dropped in the last few weeks as I've been fire fighting a lot | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah I think that's a good idea, although we don't have nearly the same amount of specs proposals for qa-specs | 22:06 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: sure, but if we carve out a day, we can go through them all. We could even post a hangout or something and talk through them as well in a social way | 22:06 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: but we have enough to notice it is an issue | 22:06 |
| dkranz | sdague: +++ | 22:07 |
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| dkranz | a little talk can go a lot further than communicating in gerrit with +1/-1 | 22:07 |
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| mtreinish | ok, I think we can do a spec review day, hopefully it will start moving things there | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | I'll send a ML thread out about doing | 22:08 |
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| mtreinish | #action mtreinish to schedule a specs review day | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | ok, I guess we'll give this a try and we can revisit having a proposal deadline if we still have a problem | 22:09 |
| dkranz | great | 22:09 |
| masayukig | mtreinish: great | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | let's move on to the next topic then | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | #topic Specs Review | 22:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs Review (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:10 | |
| dkranz | :) | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | ok does anyone have any specs that they would like to bring up for discussion? | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: heh, I'm glad someone noticed that :) | 22:10 |
| dpaterson | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91725/ | 22:10 |
| dkranz | dpaterson: I think Matt was just asking for clarification | 22:11 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: ok I gave it a -1 because of an inconsitency on how the preserved state will be defined | 22:11 |
| mtreinish | you mentioned both a JSON file and using the config file. You should only need one, and if it's JSON you should clarify what the format is | 22:12 |
| dpaterson | let me take a look, state is json only | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: you can follow up with me in -qa after the meeting | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | are there any other specs to discuss? | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | ok then let's move on | 22:14 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: we are making no so much progress on the generate config spec | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah I noticed that. Do you want to just start writing a separate one | 22:15 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I may do that. I've been trying to wait because boris-42 told me they were actually doing stuff. | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | yeah, I mean we're already into J-2 and I was going to mark that bp as essential when the spec was approved | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | I just want to make sure we have enough time for implementation | 22:16 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Right | 22:16 |
| dkranz | But Juno does not really have as much meaning for tempest | 22:16 |
| dkranz | BUt we should get going. I have a feeling they may be coding away. | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | we still frame our dev cycle on the same cadence though, even if the milestone doesn't mean anything | 22:17 |
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| mtreinish | although I will tag a release then too | 22:17 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I will ping him again | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok | 22:17 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I don't really want to work on a spec only to have some one else submit code right after it is done. | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: but then we'll -2 the code if doesn't align with the spec we worked on | 22:18 |
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| mtreinish | the whole point of this was to decide a technical direction before code is submitted | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | so we don't waste time | 22:18 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I know that, but not every one buys into that., | 22:18 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: anyway, I will talk to him and decide | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | ok, are there any other specs? Otherwise let's move on to the next topic | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 22:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:20 | |
| mtreinish | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/nova-api-test-inheritance | 22:20 |
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| mtreinish | so I wanted to discuss what we should do about this BP | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | since the V3 api isn't going to exist in the same form | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | I don't think reorganizing the nova api tests like proposed in that bp makes much sense anymore | 22:21 |
| sdague | agreed | 22:21 |
| dkranz | right | 22:21 |
| sdague | especially as we're still working out what the nova api evolution strategy is | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | masayukig: is Ken'ichi around? | 22:22 |
| masayukig | no.. | 22:22 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: yeah, I'm was going to close the BP, but I wanted to bring it up first | 22:22 |
| masayukig | oh, he's just come! | 22:22 |
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| mtreinish | masayukig: ok cool, I just wanted to make sure he wasn't opposed to closing it, since he's the owner | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | once the nova api evolution strategy is worked out we can rework the tempest test structure based on that | 22:23 |
| dkranz | IMO we need to get v3 out of base classes | 22:23 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Is it not certain that v3 is gone? | 22:23 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: I think it's going to exist, just not as v3 | 22:24 |
| sdague | dkranz: it is agreed that it's not going to be what it is | 22:24 |
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| sdague | but what the strategy going forward is still.... under discussion | 22:24 |
| dkranz | sdague: ok, but the current structure tries to map two monolithic apis. And that is definitely off the table for v3, right? | 22:25 |
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| sdague | there are 2 competing definitions of micro versions at the moment (one is mine, so it's still evolving) | 22:25 |
| sdague | dkranz: maybe | 22:25 |
| dkranz | sdague: Is this written up somewhere? | 22:25 |
| sdague | yeh, nova-specs | 22:25 |
| dkranz | sdague: ok, I should look at that | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | I think in the meantime the status quo for tempest is ok | 22:26 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101648/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101648/ | 22:26 |
| sdague | oops | 22:26 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96139 | 22:26 |
| dkranz | sdague: got it | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | we won't do any more of the refactor until the nova direction is decided | 22:26 |
| sdague | I would agree, status quo until this shakes out | 22:26 |
| dkranz | sdague: ok. I see dan smith -1 both :) | 22:27 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: agree | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: any opposition? ^^^ since it's your bp | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: ok, cool | 22:27 |
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| mtreinish | ok then for the other bps are there any updates? | 22:27 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/branchless-tempest | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ^^^ anything on that | 22:28 |
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| mtreinish | since it's marked as essential :) | 22:28 |
| sdague | nothing new | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | It's still just the finishing up the feature matrix stuff right? | 22:29 |
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| sdague | yes | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | ok | 22:29 |
| sdague | honestly, what it might be worth doing is closing out that as done | 22:29 |
| sdague | and creating an new spec/bp with the extensions part of the feature matrix | 22:29 |
| sdague | then it would be documented at least | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok, that makes sense to me. I'll defer to you on how to organize it | 22:30 |
| sdague | because realistically we haven't really had angry villagers yet | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | do you want to write up a spec for the extensions and optional features part of the feature matix | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | I'll close out the current bp when that's up | 22:31 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I don't think any one will be angry until they have to backport something to icehouse due to it. | 22:31 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: works for me | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok cool | 22:32 |
| sdague | I'll make tomorrow my writing day, as I think I don't have anything on fire atm :) | 22:32 |
| mtreinish | #action sdague to draft a spec for finishing the feature matrix | 22:32 |
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| mtreinish | ok are there any other bps to discuss? | 22:32 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Grenade | 22:33 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: the floor is yours | 22:33 |
| sdague | We got the volume support for javelin2 in | 22:34 |
| sdague | EmilienM is going to be looking at using javelin2 tomorrow | 22:34 |
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| mtreinish | ok cool | 22:34 |
| sdague | there is also a devstack change that merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101004/ | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | did the patch merge? I know "we" approved it | 22:35 |
| sdague | which *should* help on the service not starting on the new side | 22:35 |
| sdague | mtreinish: good question | 22:35 |
| sdague | nope | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | sdague: has the devstack change made a noticeable difference? or is too soon to tell? | 22:35 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100105/ | 22:35 |
| sdague | mtreinish: we'll need ES back on track to see | 22:36 |
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| sdague | right now I think we're close to 24hrs behind | 22:36 |
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| mtreinish | yeh, that sucks | 22:36 |
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| mtreinish | we've become very dependent on ES | 22:36 |
| sdague | yep | 22:37 |
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| sdague | Bug 1331274 - Logs are not getting created for services in Grenade | 22:37 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1331274 in grenade "Logs are not getting created for services in Grenade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1331274 | 22:37 |
| sdague | is the tracking bug for that | 22:37 |
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| sdague | though realistically, that seems to flatline within our signal range | 22:37 |
| sdague | so we might be fixed there | 22:37 |
| sdague | that's probably about it | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | ok, cool | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | does anyone else have something to discuss about grenade? | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | #topic Neutron Testing | 22:38 |
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| mtreinish | mlavalle: around? | 22:38 |
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| mtreinish | ok we can come back to this topic if he shows up | 22:40 |
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| mtreinish | salv-orlando email had a good update on the status of parallel full neutron jobs | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | which was what we discussed during last weeks meeting | 22:40 |
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| mtreinish | let's move on | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 22:41 |
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| salv-orlando | ping me if you need more info on the matter. | 22:41 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: one question about that | 22:41 |
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| sdague | salv-orlando: yeh, status on that would be cool actually | 22:41 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I'm going to be at the mid-cycle for neutron. Is there anything we want me to pay attention to from our standpoint? | 22:41 |
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| mtreinish | salv-orlando: heh I figured it was too late for you | 22:41 |
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| salv-orlando | it’s never too late. These are my productive hours… so | 22:41 |
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| salv-orlando | the status is simple we have identified the failures which occur in the full job but not in the smoketests | 22:42 |
| salv-orlando | funny thing we noticed was that these failures occured on smoke tests - but only in the full job | 22:42 |
| salv-orlando | and then we realized we never enabled parallelism on the smoke job | 22:42 |
| salv-orlando | which is a shame because back in april parallel tests had less than 5% failure rate | 22:43 |
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| mtreinish | salv-orlando: oh yeah I guess we never did | 22:43 |
| salv-orlando | what we are seeing are two things: a race in nova due to the nova/neutron notification mechanism | 22:43 |
| salv-orlando | mtreinish: we had that patch back in january that was lost after that massive gate outage | 22:43 |
| salv-orlando | and there is a patch for that - for which I need to add a UT | 22:44 |
| salv-orlando | the other problem we’re seeing are notifications not sent at all from neutron; which could mean two things - either the notification system has some bug which shows up only in parallel jobs - or the l2 agent is broken again | 22:44 |
| salv-orlando | that’s all. I’m looking logs and by next monday I will have root cause for all bugs and hopefully patches | 22:45 |
| salv-orlando | one last thing | 22:45 |
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| mtreinish | salv-orlando: I could see either likely being the case :) | 22:45 |
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| salv-orlando | the lock wait timeout error… that’s another error that is more likely to happen with a parallel job. We have already people working on fixing those - but you know how it is with an opinionated developer community. So even if those failures are not fixed yet I would still enable the job and make it voting | 22:46 |
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| salv-orlando | mostly because we’re now merging DVR patches which do a lot of changes in L2 and L3 agents - I expect a lot of regresssions as well | 22:46 |
| salv-orlando | and I’d love to catch them at the gate | 22:47 |
| salv-orlando | now it’s really all | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | salv-orlando: that sounds good to me | 22:47 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: yeh, honestly, I'm kind of ok with the idea of full job on neutron and not on others | 22:47 |
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| sdague | that you proposed, which I know mtreinish didn't like :) | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I dunno asymetrical gating always makes me nervous | 22:47 |
| salv-orlando | sdague: that’s a debate we already had in the past asymettric vs symmetric | 22:48 |
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| dkranz | sdague: +1 Least of evils IMO | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | everytime we've tried we end up blocking things | 22:48 |
| sdague | mtreinish: sure, though if we are looking at potentially a big regression in neutron | 22:48 |
| salv-orlando | let’s take it offline - I thing we should go symmetric again once the failure rate is such that we don’t cause a lot of failures in other projects. | 22:48 |
| sdague | yeh | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | salv-orlando: ok yeah we can discuss it later | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | let's move on then | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | I did start the bugs topic | 22:49 |
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| mtreinish | but given time let's move on to critical reviews :) | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:49 |
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| mtreinish | so does anyone have any reviews that they would like to bring up? | 22:50 |
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| mtreinish | the only one I have that just needs another +2 is this spec readme update: | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/102314 | 22:50 |
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| mtreinish | and probably this one to stop dumping tracebacks in the logs on ping retries: | 22:51 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/95815 | 22:51 |
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| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101702/ - mostly I wanted to get concensus on this hacking extension locally before spending any effort on cleaning it up | 22:52 |
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| sdague | there are currently about 250 assertTrue/assertFalse in our code base with no msg param | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I'm +1 on doing that | 22:52 |
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| mtreinish | I also think assertEqual/NotEqual might be useful to add there too | 22:52 |
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| sdague | I seem to keep tripping over these things in debugging, True != False is no good | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | but sometimes it's fine without it, so just True/False is probably a good starting point | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | we can always add another rule if we need it | 22:53 |
| sdague | yeh, assertEqual is often ok, I wouldn't hard enforce on that | 22:53 |
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| sdague | but assertTrue is completely undebuggable | 22:53 |
| sdague | when it's false | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | sdague: just make sure to put something in HACKING.rst when you add the rule for real | 22:54 |
| sdague | yeh | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | ok, does anyone else have any reviews? | 22:54 |
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| afazekas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98065/ | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: I thought we skipped the LBaas test | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | and I'm not comfortable merging anymore tests for the L7 neutron stuff until we get the full job gating | 22:56 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: it was unskipped | 22:56 |
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| sdague | well it is a fix for an existing test | 22:56 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: ok, I'll take a close look at that then | 22:56 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: It fixes the lbaas test issue: http://logstash.openstack.org/#eyJzZWFyY2giOiJCYWRTdGF0dXNMaW5lIiwiZmllbGRzIjpbXSwib2Zmc2V0IjowLCJ0aW1lZnJhbWUiOiI2MDQ4MDAiLCJncmFwaG1vZGUiOiJjb3VudCIsInRpbWUiOnsidXNlcl9pbnRlcnZhbCI6MH0sInN0YW1wIjoxNDAzODIzMzU0OTEyfQ== | 22:56 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah, I thought it was a fix/unskip | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: do you have a bug link? | 22:57 |
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| afazekas | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1326607 | 22:58 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1326607 in tempest "TestLoadBalancerBasic fails in Tempest" [Undecided,In progress] | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | ok, thanks | 22:58 |
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| mtreinish | ok well with 1 min. left, I just wanted to remind people about the midcycle meetup | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | if you're planning to attend please put your name on the wiki page | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Qa_Infra_Meetup_2014 | 22:59 |
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| mtreinish | and if you have ideas for a good topic to discuss face to face ping me | 22:59 |
| tpatil_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/79549 | 22:59 |
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| mtreinish | tpatil_: ok, I'll take a look | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | ok well that's time | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 26 23:00:11 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-06-26-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-06-26-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-06-26-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
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