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| Kiall | this ain't the infra room | 11:57 |
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| enikanorov | hi | 14:00 |
| mestery | o/ | 14:00 |
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| sballe | hi | 14:00 |
| blogan | hello! | 14:00 |
| dougwig | hi eugene | 14:00 |
| german__ | hi | 14:00 |
| sbalukoff | Howdy, folks! | 14:00 |
| dlundquist | hello | 14:00 |
| enikanorov | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 19 14:00:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is enikanorov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 14:00 |
| dougwig | o/ | 14:00 |
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| [1]evgenyf | hi | 14:01 |
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| sbalukoff | Do we have an actual agenda for this meeting? | 14:01 |
| mestery | Yes | 14:01 |
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| enikanorov | so i would to spend time on two items today: team update from the code sprint and flavor framework discussion | 14:01 |
| sbalukoff | Or are we going straight into flavor framework? | 14:01 |
| mestery | blogan is going to cover what happened locally for remote people | 14:01 |
| mestery | And then we'll cover flavors | 14:01 |
| enikanorov | lets start with the team update which i expect to be somewhat short | 14:01 |
| mestery | enikanorov: +100 :) | 14:01 |
| sballe | perfect | 14:01 |
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| sbalukoff | Yay! | 14:01 |
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| blogan | alright so we got the api and object model blueprint approved, though there is still some discussion on whether the subnet_id on the pool should remain optional or not, vijay and I will continue on coding that part | 14:02 |
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| dougwig | i've been working on the changes to the driver interface, for bologna's object model changes. code review out on that now, i'd appreciate feedback: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101084 | 14:03 |
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| sbalukoff | We're going to do a bit of a round-robin where the various subgroups say what they've been working on. | 14:03 |
| rm_work | o/ | 14:03 |
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| s3wong | OK | 14:03 |
| enikanorov | blogan: what major code parts are we expecting as a result of the sprint? | 14:03 |
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| TrevorV | o/ | 14:04 |
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| sbalukoff | It's probably useful to mention this, too: | 14:04 |
| sbalukoff | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno_lbaas_mid_cycle_meetup_reviews | 14:04 |
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| sballe | I create the https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1331836 which Kyle and I spent most of yesterday looking at fixing. It will allow the dva services to have a semi-admin status that will allow them to list network, and create/update/delete port on other tenants networks. | 14:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1331836 in neutron "Advanced Services need to be able to list all networks and create/update/delete ports on other tenants's networks." [Medium,In progress] | 14:04 |
| dougwig | enikanorov: api and new object model, driver changes and starting the shim for older drivers, part of updating the haproxy ref driver, and part of adding ssl to ref driver. | 14:04 |
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| dlundquist | Phillip and I been working on updating the HAProxy reference driver for the new object model. | 14:05 |
| sballe | s/dva/adv | 14:05 |
| dougwig | and the etherpad that sbalukoff linked is what is actively in review, mostly as a result of the meetup. | 14:05 |
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| enikanorov | dougwig: that's quite a lot! | 14:05 |
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| sbalukoff | We've established some process around the Octavia reference driver and have started the process for getting it on stackforge, launchpad, etc. Note that this doesn't presently affect neutron-lbaas in any way (and in the long run is just going to be another driver / provider) | 14:06 |
| mestery | sbalukoff: Yay! | 14:06 |
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| enikanorov | ok, anything else on updates? | 14:07 |
| blogan | sorry i got disconnected | 14:08 |
| blogan | enikanorov: well there will be a new extension, plugin, an db module so that the apis can live side by side at first | 14:08 |
| dlundquist | We have daily recaps here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-lbaas-mid-cycle-hackathon | 14:08 |
| blogan | the extension is relatively complete, the plugin and db probably won't get done today but vijay and I can work on that after until it is complete | 14:08 |
| enikanorov | cool | 14:08 |
| enikanorov | blogan: anything on review yet? | 14:08 |
| blogan | enikanorov: i think we'll be able to put something up in gerrit as a WIP some time today | 14:09 |
| enikanorov | cool! | 14:09 |
| dougwig | enikanorov: not yet; all outstanding reviews for the meetup are on the etherpad. | 14:09 |
| enikanorov | ok | 14:09 |
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| enikanorov | if that's all with updates, lets move to flavors | 14:10 |
| german__ | and we reached out to ceilometer to get the mtrics | 14:10 |
| s3wong | Are we going to talk about flavor? | 14:10 |
| enikanorov | s3wong: yes | 14:10 |
| mestery | enikanorov: +1 | 14:10 |
| german__ | flavor-time | 14:10 |
| dougwig | enikanorov: +1 | 14:10 |
| mestery | flavor flav | 14:10 |
| sbalukoff | Heh! | 14:10 |
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| min | I was working on the api documentation part, specifically Neutron LBaaS API v2.0 | 14:11 |
| enikanorov | ok, so let me briefly introduce the topic | 14:11 |
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| enikanorov | initially we've introduced multivendor support for lbaas | 14:11 |
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| mestery | #link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavor_Flav | 14:11 |
| enikanorov | which is the ionly service able to handle several drivers simultaneuosly right now | 14:11 |
| enikanorov | (in neutron) | 14:11 |
| enikanorov | from API perspective that means that user is exposed to available implementations (providers or drivers) and can choose between them | 14:12 |
| enikanorov | associating service (loadbalancer) with the provider | 14:12 |
| enikanorov | that approach has various drawbacks which we want to address with Flavor Framework | 14:12 |
| enikanorov | first of all, the term Flavor is taken from Nova flavors | 14:13 |
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| enikanorov | where it defines few basic capabilities that VM has: memory, cpus, disk size | 14:13 |
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| enikanorov | it also has additional 'extra specs' which are actually scheduler hints | 14:13 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, so we have been doing a lot of hand-waving around providing for vendor-specific features in the past, implying that this would happen through the 'flavors' interface as well as the things you've mentioned. | 14:13 |
| enikanorov | e.g. parameters, that help get proper compute host for the VM | 14:13 |
| sbalukoff | And yes, 'extra specs' could cover this. | 14:13 |
| enikanorov | sbalukoff: probably on vendor-specific features it would help if you could give an example | 14:14 |
| enikanorov | so we're sure we're discussing the same thing | 14:14 |
| german__ | is our situtaion really like nova... we have many more things then memory, etc. | 14:14 |
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| enikanorov | because vendor-specific feautres are supported per the proposal, so i'm not 100% sure what we were arguing about | 14:15 |
| enikanorov | german__: correct | 14:15 |
| sbalukoff | So, let's assume some vendor has a specific load balancing appliance topology they've got patented (ie. only they can offer) | 14:15 |
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| enikanorov | german__: that's why we have configurable 'columns' in our flavor unlike fixed in nova | 14:15 |
| sbalukoff | Some users want to use this, and the vendor wants this feature to be exposed to OpenStack users somehow. | 14:15 |
| sbalukoff | The operator must decide whether to offer it. | 14:15 |
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| sbalukoff | But if he/she does, then we need to have a way for the operator to expose this vendor feature to the users. | 14:15 |
| sbalukoff | Flavors seems like the way to do this. | 14:16 |
| enikanorov | sbalukoff: yep, operator can expose this capability via flavor | 14:16 |
| sbalukoff | Great! | 14:16 |
| german__ | enikanorov what I am saying is that we might have to many features making it unwieldy for a nova style flavor | 14:16 |
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| sbalukoff | So, the other disagreements I've had with you on this start to get into the weeds a bit on details. | 14:16 |
| sbalukoff | This is all in the spec review... | 14:16 |
| enikanorov | german__: conceptually they are the same, neutron flavor has configurable options ('tags' per current proposal) | 14:16 |
| markmcclain | agreed the capability matrix will exponentially grow | 14:16 |
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| sbalukoff | For what it's worth, I like the (stub of an) idea that Mark McClain shaired last night to resolve this. | 14:17 |
| german__ | +1 | 14:17 |
| dougwig | +1 | 14:17 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:17 |
| mestery | +1 | 14:17 |
| enikanorov | actually there's only 1 thing in Mark's proposal that i dont agree with | 14:17 |
| enikanorov | (or just don't understand) | 14:17 |
| blogan | +1 | 14:17 |
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| min | +1 | 14:17 |
| enikanorov | it is the notion of driver profile | 14:17 |
| enikanorov | from the first glance it seems to be a DB entity | 14:17 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: can you explain? | 14:18 |
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| enikanorov | we always tried to avoid getting any parts of configuration into the DB | 14:18 |
| sbalukoff | So.... | 14:18 |
| markmcclain | so it could be an entity or something in a config file | 14:18 |
| sbalukoff | I don't really agree with that. | 14:18 |
| sbalukoff | I don't like the idea of having to restart neutron (disruptive maintenance) to add a new tag. | 14:18 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: yes, it can, and ... why not just leave it for the driver? | 14:18 |
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| s3wong | enikanorov: so all these time, we have been talking about capabilities exposed via a config file, right? | 14:19 |
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| sballe | sbalukoff, +1 | 14:19 |
| markmcclain | I side stepped the exact location because I did not want the idea to get bogged down in the religious war of configs living the db | 14:19 |
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| enikanorov | hehe | 14:19 |
| dougwig | markmcclain: +1 | 14:19 |
| enikanorov | when core is sidestepping, we will not get +A | 14:19 |
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| enikanorov | :) | 14:19 |
| enikanorov | trust my experience :) | 14:19 |
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| markmcclain | hehe | 14:19 |
| mestery | enikanorov: heh :) | 14:19 |
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| enikanorov | i can give reasons why it's not good to push conf into the DB, but i'd like to take it as fact | 14:20 |
| german__ | configuration-as-a-service? | 14:20 |
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| sbalukoff | Oh, I'm not going to let you get away with that. ;) | 14:20 |
| sbalukoff | But! | 14:20 |
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| markmcclain | so let's continue to side step the location :) | 14:20 |
| sbalukoff | It sounds like people don't want to debate that now anyway. | 14:20 |
| enikanorov | sbalukoff: adding the tag is a process of configuration, and neutron doesn't support updating conf on the fly | 14:20 |
| enikanorov | so it's fundamental | 14:21 |
| markmcclain | and talk concepts here because location is an implementation argument | 14:21 |
| blogan | +1 to not discussing that part right now | 14:21 |
| german__ | +1 | 14:21 |
| TrevorV | +1 | 14:21 |
| vjay2 | +1 | 14:21 |
| enikanorov | so my proposal is to let drivers handle their profiles in the way the want | 14:21 |
| enikanorov | and not link profile into the flavor | 14:21 |
| markmcclain | except that as an operator I want choice | 14:22 |
| enikanorov | because that's a kind of association we wanted to get rid of, when introducing flavors | 14:22 |
| markmcclain | so returning to the original question | 14:22 |
| markmcclain | driver profiles | 14:22 |
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| enikanorov | markmcclain: let's discuss it on some example | 14:22 |
| enikanorov | let's say we have lbaas driver with HA and non-HA profile | 14:23 |
| markmcclain | are really the items that describe which driver to use and the initialization params necessary to implement the flavor | 14:23 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: that's where profiles matter | 14:23 |
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| enikanorov | markmcclain: right | 14:23 |
| markmcclain | conceptually the same driver | 14:23 |
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| markmcclain | but my crap flavor may not enable HA initialization in the metadata | 14:23 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: by saying 'leave it ro driver' i mean the next thing: | 14:24 |
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| enikanorov | when driver receives create_lbaas(flavor_id), if analyzes the flavor and sees the tag: ("HA", True) | 14:24 |
| dougwig | i think what's being debated here is whether the drivers *must* be flavor aware, or whether the flavor metadata contains enough information to utilize the same driver in different modes. | 14:24 |
| enikanorov | and then it uses HA profile | 14:24 |
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| enikanorov | markmcclain: do you think it makes sense? | 14:25 |
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| enikanorov | dougwig: not really. drivers must be tags-aware (or capabilities-aware) | 14:25 |
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| sbalukoff | Right... | 14:25 |
| dougwig | enikanorov: no, they actually don't, if the profile contains the config information to enable the tags. | 14:25 |
| markmcclain | as an operator I don't want my drivers flavor aware | 14:25 |
| s3wong | dougwig: I don't think driver is flavor aware. Driver exposed a set of tags and flavor framework picks provider based on the tags associated with a flavor | 14:26 |
| sbalukoff | and if tags / capabilities are a sub-entity of flavors, shouldn't instances be associated with flavors? | 14:26 |
| markmcclain | hence profiles it allows me to deploy to meet my needs | 14:26 |
| enikanorov | sure, drivers cant rely on dynamically configured entities | 14:26 |
| markmcclain | hence driver profiles | 14:26 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: i'm not against profiles itself, i just don't see a need for them to be in the flavor | 14:26 |
| enikanorov | decoupling flavor from driver is what whole framework is for | 14:27 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: how else do would I as an operator express that this flavor A and B can use the same driver, but different initialization params | 14:27 |
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| dougwig | i think you're arguing to put the definition of tags into the vendor/driver's hands, and we're all wanting to put the definition of tags into the operators hands. | 14:28 |
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| markmcclain | +1 | 14:28 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:28 |
| german__ | +1 | 14:28 |
| enikanorov | it is driver who choses profiles, so actually profile is associated with tags, not with flavor | 14:28 |
| enikanorov | dougwig: it's both! | 14:28 |
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| enikanorov | it's in both hands! | 14:28 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: no profiles are an operator item | 14:28 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: you as an operator configure drivers anyway | 14:29 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: ? | 14:29 |
| enikanorov | so, for the example i made above | 14:29 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: as an operator I select the solutions in the my deployment | 14:29 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: you provide a profile for HA model of the driver and driver knows when to use HA (when HA: True tag is encountered) | 14:29 |
| markmcclain | those solutions have a set of drivers | 14:29 |
| sbalukoff | I'm also interested in the problem as viewed from the user's perspective: If I as a user deploy loadbalancer A with a specific flavor being offered by the operator, how can I be sure it was actually deployed that way, and will remain that flavor for the lifetime of the loadbalancer? | 14:30 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: yes, i'm talking about the same, it's just the mechanism is different | 14:30 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: I disagree | 14:30 |
| dlundquist | sbalukoff: but an operator may choose to discontinue a flavor... | 14:30 |
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| markmcclain | sbalukoff: so that was part of the reason of associating the entry point and metadata | 14:31 |
| sbalukoff | dlundquist: In which case the operator better also know which users are using that flavor. | 14:31 |
| sbalukoff | markvan: Aah, ok. | 14:31 |
| sbalukoff | So that needs to be visible to the user. | 14:31 |
| sbalukoff | D'oh! | 14:31 |
| sbalukoff | markmcclain | 14:31 |
| enikanorov | basically, if we associate entry point and metadata it's equal to store conf in DB | 14:31 |
| german__ | yeah, and flavors need to go to ceilometer/billing | 14:32 |
| enikanorov | it's kind of architectural argument, not implementation one | 14:32 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: remember we're side stepping that for now :) | 14:32 |
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| enikanorov | that just susks me in | 14:32 |
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| markmcclain | haha…so the crux of my proposal is to drop tags/caps and let the operator determine the mapping | 14:32 |
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| enikanorov | markmcclain: if no tags, that what map to what? | 14:33 |
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| enikanorov | wouldnt then Flavor be just another name for existing 'provider'? | 14:33 |
| markmcclain | flavors contain a set of driver profiles which the op curates | 14:33 |
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| markmcclain | nope… list of profiles | 14:33 |
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| markmcclain | the scheduler then selects from the list accord to the algorithm | 14:34 |
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| enikanorov | yes, instead of one there will be a list | 14:34 |
| enikanorov | but then how to choose the profile? | 14:34 |
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| enikanorov | there's not so much hints in such flavor | 14:34 |
| enikanorov | (actually - no hints) | 14:34 |
| enikanorov | and also - absolutely no hints for backends | 14:34 |
| markmcclain | why do we need hints? | 14:34 |
| enikanorov | i mean, for scheduling to a backend | 14:34 |
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| markmcclain | as an operator… I've said these drivers (when invoked a certain way) satisfy this flavor | 14:35 |
| sbalukoff | markmcclain: Are you saying the hints enikanorov is talking about are essentially embedded in the various profiles in the list of profiles? | 14:35 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: yes, and besides that you want particular backend operated by the driver to implement the service | 14:35 |
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| markmcclain | yeah so scheduler can ask the drivers about capacity and then select | 14:36 |
| markmcclain | remember we start simple and make the scheduling more complex | 14:37 |
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| enikanorov | scheduling should base on some data | 14:37 |
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| enikanorov | not clear what data is it | 14:37 |
| enikanorov | (if no tags) | 14:37 |
| enikanorov | also, what kind of information the flavor represents to a user? | 14:37 |
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| markmcclain | can ask the driver about capacity | 14:37 |
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| enikanorov | sure | 14:37 |
| markmcclain | I think that we can make the flavor a name/description | 14:37 |
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| german__ | or if scheduling with one driver fails tries a different one | 14:37 |
| sbalukoff | I think I might need to see your idea fleshed out a bit more in a spec to really understand the implications, markmcclain. | 14:37 |
| * markmcclain recognizes some will want machine consumable info (ie tags) | 14:38 | |
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| enikanorov | markmcclain: tags were the description... and scheduling hints at the same time | 14:38 |
| markmcclain | sbalukoff: happy to write one up | 14:38 |
| sbalukoff | Yay! Thanks1 | 14:38 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: well scheduling is difficult because some solutions will present as a massive LB and others will be a collection of backends | 14:39 |
| markmcclain | so upon reflection I couldn't really see how tags make this easier for us | 14:39 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: hmm, isnt' that up to scheduling algorithm? | 14:39 |
| enikanorov | it's not 'easier' | 14:39 |
| enikanorov | it's for user to show what he gets | 14:39 |
| markmcclain | us -> operators, users | 14:39 |
| german__ | flavor tells scheculer about suitable drivers | 14:40 |
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| markmcclain | with tags as an operator I don't have the ability to steer certain flavors to specific implementations | 14:40 |
| enikanorov | yes have! | 14:40 |
| enikanorov | *you | 14:40 |
| enikanorov | and i've described in the spec on how that can be done | 14:40 |
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| markmcclain | didn't seem that way | 14:40 |
| enikanorov | tags are very flexible for such tasks | 14:41 |
| markmcclain | because of the layers of complexity | 14:41 |
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| german__ | +1 | 14:41 |
| enikanorov | ok, the complexity argument | 14:41 |
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| enikanorov | on slightly different matter, if we associate flavor and driver profile directly, what will happen with the flavor if we remove driver? | 14:42 |
| enikanorov | the driver which profile was in the flavor | 14:42 |
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| markmcclain | so as an operator.. I'd be foolish to remove a driver without rescheduling the instance | 14:42 |
| sbalukoff | +1 | 14:42 |
| markmcclain | hence the enable/disabled flag | 14:42 |
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| markmcclain | allows for data to exist while I'm decommissioning system(s) | 14:43 |
| dougwig | markmcclain +1 | 14:44 |
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| enikanorov | still not clear how is it better than providers. provider is the profile (it's just one single profile instead of several ones) | 14:45 |
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| markmcclain | so provide is attached to single vendor | 14:45 |
| enikanorov | and there was proposals on how to add configuration to the provider entity | 14:45 |
| markmcclain | as an op I want multiple vendors | 14:45 |
| markmcclain | I think we're spinning our wheels a bit | 14:45 |
| markmcclain | so let me write some stuff up | 14:45 |
| enikanorov | i mean the driver profile is single vendor, right? | 14:45 |
| enikanorov | (it has entry point) | 14:46 |
| markmcclain | but the profile is not exposed to user | 14:46 |
| enikanorov | yep, it's hidden behind flavor name | 14:46 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: exactly which is what I want as an op | 14:46 |
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| enikanorov | just as it could be hidden behind provider name | 14:46 |
| markmcclain | provider name == vendor | 14:46 |
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| enikanorov | not necessarily | 14:47 |
| enikanorov | it's up to operator | 14:47 |
| enikanorov | i'm just trying to get the advantage | 14:47 |
| enikanorov | beyong the scheduling between several driver profiles | 14:47 |
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| enikanorov | which is good, but i'm not sure it was the goal | 14:47 |
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| markmcclain | yeah so the other benefit as an operator with flavors is that the user expresses their intent | 14:48 |
| markmcclain | but as an op I have to ability to manage my deployment | 14:48 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. | 14:48 |
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| enikanorov | ok, prbably a spec will clerify things | 14:49 |
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| enikanorov | *clarify | 14:49 |
| markmcclain | ++ | 14:49 |
| sbalukoff | +1 | 14:49 |
| dougwig | +1 | 14:49 |
| * mestery notes 10 minutes left and dougwig wanted to discuss the noop driver ... | 14:49 | |
| german__ | +1 | 14:49 |
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| VijayB | +1 | 14:49 |
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| dougwig | i got some feedback on the noon driver that it shouldn't be exposed in neutron.conf | 14:49 |
| enikanorov | ok, lets move to the noop driver | 14:49 |
| mestery | dougwig: noon? Is that like bologna? /cc blogan | 14:49 |
| dougwig | as a server admin, i kind of like tools that help me debug smaller pieces of bigger puzzles, so that decision seemed odd to me. | 14:50 |
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| sbalukoff | Haha | 14:50 |
| dougwig | noop, not none. | 14:50 |
| dougwig | autocorrect fail. | 14:50 |
| mestery | I jest :) | 14:50 |
| dougwig | so i wanted to get peoples thoughts on that. | 14:50 |
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| sbalukoff | And in this case, a noop driver is useful for doing things like debugging UI. | 14:50 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: i remember we discussed noop in HK ! | 14:50 |
| * markmcclain hates noop drivers | 14:50 | |
| enikanorov | sbalukoff: it is, but the question is whether to expose it in the default config | 14:51 |
| * dougwig hearts noop drivers. | 14:51 | |
| * mestery grabs some popcorn | 14:51 | |
| * rm_work pineapples noop drivers | 14:51 | |
| markmcclain | dougwig: define.... | 14:51 |
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| * blogan grabs some bacon | 14:51 | |
| dlundquist1 | The noop driver may be useful for testing the flavor framework. | 14:51 |
| * mestery thinks we've all been in this room too long together | 14:51 | |
| * TrevorV (ノ ゜Д゜)ノ ︵ ┻━┻ | 14:51 | |
| markmcclain | noops that log can be ok | 14:51 |
| * sbalukoff doesn't usually speak in the third person but will in this case. | 14:52 | |
| dlundquist1 | markmcclain: That sounds more useful than the black hole noop driver | 14:52 |
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| mestery | dlundquist1: +1 | 14:52 |
| sbalukoff | Yep! | 14:52 |
| sballe | dlundquist1, +1 | 14:52 |
| enikanorov | then name it LoggingLbaasDriver! | 14:52 |
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| enikanorov | (andwe'll be done with nups) | 14:52 |
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| vivek-ebay | +1 for no-op driver | 14:53 |
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| markmcclain | so as long as it doesn't blackhole we're good | 14:54 |
| dougwig | LoggingNoop driver? | 14:54 |
| markmcclain | logging driver is fine with me | 14:54 |
| dougwig | it does log, so it's not a pure noop | 14:54 |
| mestery | dougwig: +1 | 14:54 |
| sbalukoff | +1 | 14:54 |
| dlundquist1 | dougwig: +x | 14:54 |
| german__ | +1 | 14:54 |
| german__ | rename and we are good | 14:54 |
| dlundquist1 | where x = 1 | 14:54 |
| blogan | i prefer LoggingLoadBalancerDriver | 14:54 |
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| rm_work | x++ | 14:54 |
| sbalukoff | dlundquist1: Don't you use your fancy mathematics to try to confuse me! | 14:54 |
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| dougwig | ok, not enabled by default, and must log and not just pass, and we're ok. | 14:55 |
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| dougwig | ? | 14:55 |
| vivek-ebay | who will maintain no-op driver ? | 14:55 |
| mestery | vivek-ebay: are you volunteering? | 14:55 |
| vivek-ebay | will it be maintained as a vendor ? | 14:55 |
| enikanorov | no-op driver maintenance team? | 14:55 |
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| enikanorov | ;) | 14:55 |
| dougwig | the community, but i won't let it fester. | 14:55 |
| * markmcclain wants 3rd party ci for it | 14:56 | |
| enikanorov | :D | 14:56 |
| enikanorov | btw, yes, that's a requirement! | 14:56 |
| markmcclain | open discussion? | 14:56 |
| dougwig | lol | 14:56 |
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| enikanorov | dougwig: think twice before adding it! :) | 14:56 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: haha | 14:56 |
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| enikanorov | ok, anything else for the meeting? | 14:57 |
| vjay2 | if we are done with driver, i have a trivial question regarding the flavour framework | 14:57 |
| sbalukoff | Uh oh | 14:57 |
| sbalukoff | :) | 14:57 |
| enikanorov | vjay2: sire | 14:57 |
| mestery | #sadpanda | 14:57 |
| markmcclain | vjay2: what's your ? | 14:57 |
| enikanorov | *sure | 14:57 |
| vjay2 | apologies for interrupting. examples please, what does the profiles contain? tags (like HA, dedicated/shared allocation policy etc)? | 14:57 |
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| sbalukoff | markmcclain is going to write a spec to show this, i think. | 14:58 |
| markmcclain | sbalukoff: +1 | 14:58 |
| german__ | 1 | 14:58 |
| vivek-ebay | vijay2: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90070/ | 14:58 |
| vjay2 | ok | 14:58 |
| markmcclain | vivek-ebay: that's the old one | 14:58 |
| vjay2 | will one driver expose many profiles? | 14:58 |
| markmcclain | with only the stub.. I'll more meat to it | 14:58 |
| markmcclain | *add | 14:58 |
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| dougwig | vjay2: yes | 14:59 |
| vjay2 | dougwig: thanks! | 15:00 |
| mestery | Thanks everyone, looks like we're at time. | 15:00 |
| sbalukoff | Thanks! | 15:00 |
| dougwig | thanks | 15:00 |
| blogan | bye everyone, thanks! | 15:00 |
| enikanorov | thanks | 15:00 |
| vivek-ebay | thanks. | 15:00 |
| rm_work | \o | 15:00 |
| german__ | tahnks | 15:00 |
| enikanorov | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 19 15:00:46 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| markmcclain | thanks everyone | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-06-19-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-06-19-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-06-19-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| eglynn | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 19 15:00:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
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| eglynn | hey y'all | 15:01 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:01 |
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| nealph | o/ | 15:01 |
| ityaptin | o/ | 15:01 |
| _nadya_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| enikanorov | \o | 15:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:01 |
| Fabio | o/ | 15:01 |
| cdent | o/ | 15:01 |
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| KurtRao | o/ too. though I don't know what it means | 15:01 |
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| * eglynn promises to type quietly, in deference to the sore heads in Paris today ... ;) | 15:02 | |
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| eglynn | #topic Juno-2 planning, progress on blueprint filing | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | so our rel mgr is pushing for the juno-2 pipeline to be populated sooner rather than later ... | 15:03 |
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| eglynn | we have a number of j2-oriented specs reviews in flight ... | 15:03 |
| eglynn | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ceilometer-specs,n,z | 15:03 |
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| eglynn | thanks to all who have filed and/or reviewed specs | 15:04 |
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| * eglynn is hoping to see a few more proposals in the coming days | 15:04 | |
| eglynn | juno-2 is slated for July 24th BTW | 15:04 |
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| eglynn | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 15:04 |
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| eglynn | anything else on juno-2? | 15:05 |
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| Fabio | eglynn: would make sense to have inside the juno folder for the specs, things like juno-1, juno-2 and juno-3 so people submitting bp can already target the right release? | 15:05 |
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| Fabio | just a suggestion | 15:05 |
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| eglynn | Fabio: juno-1, juno-2 are milestone as opposed to full releases | 15:05 |
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| Fabio | eglynn: yes, but those could be sub folders | 15:05 |
| eglynn | Fabio: and they're quite fluid ... i.e stuff is easily bumped from one milestone the next | 15:06 |
| * eglynn doesn't want to be moving specs around in the tree to reflect this kinda milestone reassignment | 15:06 | |
| Fabio | no problem | 15:06 |
| * eglynn prefers to just push buttons in launchpad ... ;) | 15:07 | |
| eglynn | Fabio: coolio | 15:07 |
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| _nadya_ | I wanted to ask about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87869/ | 15:07 |
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| _nadya_ | I've asked in review about data expiration, in general | 15:08 |
| eglynn | _nadya_: in the sense of selection expiration? ... i.e. not just the existing TTL fall-off-the-cliff-at-a-certain-age? | 15:09 |
| _nadya_ | eglynn: what do you think, should it be a separate spec or partial implementation as a bug is ok? | 15:09 |
| eglynn | _nadya_: "partial implementation" ==> "just for alarm changes"? | 15:09 |
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| _nadya_ | eglynn: maybe smth more intelligent... e.g. one value for alarm history, another for events | 15:10 |
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| eglynn | _nadya_: yeah for a chunky new feature like that, I would definitely envisage a BP spec being needed | 15:10 |
| eglynn | move on? | 15:11 |
| _nadya_ | eglynn: yep | 15:11 |
| eglynn | OK, please do fire up your spec-writing engines folks! | 15:11 |
| eglynn | thanks! :) | 15:11 |
| eglynn | #topic TSDaaS/gnocchi update | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | jd__: around? | 15:12 |
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| * cdent is a bad boy who has been hassling jd__ all day with inane questions | 15:12 | |
| eglynn | on the channel? | 15:12 |
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| cdent | on the review for the dispatcher | 15:12 |
| eglynn | a-ha, linkee? | 15:13 |
| cdent | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98798 | 15:13 |
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| eglynn | cdent: ... interesting! | 15:14 |
| cdent | I've been in a position of not quite getting it, so I've been pressing him to a bit more explicit about how things work. | 15:14 |
| * eglynn adds that review to his to-do list, thanks cdent for the heads-up ... | 15:14 | |
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| amalagon | agreed - very useful | 15:15 |
| cdent | It makes the gnocchi stuff much more concrete than it has been previously, becuase it is in the ceilometer context, rather than the abstraction of tsdaas | 15:15 |
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| eglynn | yeah | 15:15 |
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| * eglynn is happy to see folks digging into gnocchi and getting involved :) | 15:16 | |
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| eglynn | I guess the g+ hangout helped in that regard? | 15:16 |
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| cdent | yeah, it was a good kick from vague thing over there to something real | 15:16 |
| amalagon | cdent: do you have a working gnocchi install? maybe I'll bother you with some questions later | 15:17 |
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| eglynn | cdent: please do share ^^^ :) | 15:17 |
| cdent | I don't, no. Thus far I've just been making questions based on the code. | 15:17 |
| eglynn | a-ha, I see | 15:17 |
| cdent | But I do want to get it spun up asap | 15:17 |
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| amalagon | cool | 15:18 |
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| cdent | I'll keep you posted | 15:18 |
| eglynn | amalagon: I'm gonna try to get it up and running on Fedora tmrw | 15:18 |
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| eglynn | ... the joys of dog-fooding ;) | 15:18 |
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| amalagon | eglynn: alright! | 15:18 |
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| eglynn | amalagon: I'm guessing you're on precise? | 15:18 |
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| amalagon | yeah | 15:18 |
| eglynn | ... fair nuff, let's compare notes tmrw | 15:18 |
| amalagon | :DD thanks, looking forward to it | 15:19 |
| eglynn | k, since jd__ appears to be still nursing his hangover ;) ... let's move on | 15:19 |
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| eglynn | #topic open discussion | 15:19 |
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| shengjie_m | guys, quick one - it's been a while for me, do we have a wiki page describing the bp submission process now? | 15:19 |
| shengjie_m | is it like - I write a bp specs, that gets reviewed & merged, then I fire a bp on launchpad? | 15:20 |
| eglynn | shengjie_m: well there's https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Ceilometer | 15:20 |
| eglynn | shengjie_m: but in general you won't even need to file on launchpad anymore | 15:20 |
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| shengjie_m | aha - i c | 15:20 |
| eglynn | shengjie_m: ... that'll happen automagically once the spec lands | 15:20 |
| shengjie_m | will write a zabbix specs this week | 15:21 |
| shengjie_m | then discuss with u guys | 15:21 |
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| eglynn | shengjie_m: ... note however the script to that auto-filing isn't fully ready yet | 15:21 |
| shengjie_m | alrite - thanks :) | 15:21 |
| eglynn | shengjie_m: cool, thanks! | 15:21 |
| _nadya_ | shengjie_m: looking forward! | 15:21 |
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| shengjie_m | _nadya_:cheers | 15:21 |
| eglynn | BTW folks if you're planning to attend the sprint in Paris, please do add your moniker to the wiki | 15:22 |
| eglynn | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/ParisJuno2014#Ceilometer | 15:22 |
| * eglynn notes the lists are growing :) | 15:22 | |
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| shengjie_m | Ceilometer has a big list there ;) | 15:23 |
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| eglynn | yeap :) | 15:23 |
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| eglynn | in other news, the TC did a quick progress review on the ceilometer gap coverage plan | 15:24 |
| eglynn | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee/Ceilometer_Gap_Coverage | 15:24 |
| eglynn | they were happy enough with progress, holding us to juno-2 for completion | 15:25 |
| eglynn | "#info Ceilometer is on track, still targeting j2 for fully covering the gap" | 15:25 |
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| eglynn | I mentioned this os-infra ML thread on the channel a couple times ... | 15:26 |
| eglynn | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-June/001368.html | 15:26 |
| eglynn | more on the never-ending saga of getting mongodb in the gate | 15:27 |
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| eglynn | TL;DR: resistance to rebasing unit test jobs on f20, strong preference for LTS distros | 15:28 |
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| _nadya_ | eglynn: and no reaction, right? | 15:28 |
| eglynn | "no reaction"? | 15:29 |
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| _nadya_ | eglynn: I mean from infra-team | 15:30 |
| _nadya_ | eglynn: no answers to ML I meant :) | 15:30 |
| eglynn | _nadya_: ... to that mail? ... no, there were replies from sdague, clarkb and monty | 15:31 |
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| eglynn | _nadya_: see http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-June/thread.html | 15:31 |
| _nadya_ | eglynn: ah, sorry, I see | 15:32 |
| eglynn | _nadya_: ... it was the reaction that I summarized as "resistance to rebasing unit test jobs on f20, strong preference for LTS distros" | 15:32 |
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| eglynn | k, that's all I got this week folks | 15:32 |
| eglynn | anyon got anything else they want to raise? | 15:33 |
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| * cdent nopes | 15:34 | |
| eglynn | ... k, let's call it a wrap in that case | 15:34 |
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| _nadya_ | thanks! | 15:34 |
| eglynn | thanks y'all! | 15:34 |
| eglynn | #endmeeting ceilometer | 15:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 19 15:34:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-06-19-15.00.html | 15:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-06-19-15.00.txt | 15:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-06-19-15.00.log.html | 15:34 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 19 17:02:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | hi who's here today? | 17:02 |
| mlavalle | hi | 17:02 |
| dpaterson | hi | 17:02 |
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| sdague | o/ | 17:02 |
| andreaf | hi | 17:02 |
| ylobankov | hi | 17:02 |
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| dkranz | o/ | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_June_19_2014_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | let's get started | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Specs Review | 17:03 |
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| sdague | we should also put the midcycle in the agenda somewhere | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | so we have 2 prepopulated on the agenda today | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | sdague: sure I'll fit it in after bps | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/94473 | 17:03 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I put the first one | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I'm assuming you added that one | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: ok go ahead | 17:04 |
| dkranz | I chatted with boris-42 | 17:04 |
| dkranz | They are working on this but I encouraged him to update the spec as soon as possible | 17:04 |
| dkranz | Because we want to review the spec first | 17:04 |
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| dkranz | Also, no one else can contribute until he does | 17:04 |
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| dkranz | He said he would update it soon, by next week in any event | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: ok good. We can always just take over the bp if it takes too long | 17:05 |
| dkranz | So I will continue to keep after this because it is important | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | because this is an important one | 17:05 |
| dkranz | It was also raised on the fits ml | 17:05 |
| dkranz | I think that's it unless some one else has a comment | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I didn't even know that was a ML | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101232/ | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | yfried: you posted this one | 17:07 |
| yfried | yeah | 17:07 |
| yfried | what can I say that's not in the spec? | 17:07 |
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| yfried | it's part of mlavalle's and myself larger effort on enhancing scenarios starting with network | 17:07 |
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| mtreinish | yfried: ok | 17:08 |
| yfried | code duplication in scenario is something that's been bothering me for a long time | 17:08 |
| dkranz | yfried: I think this just needs to be reviewed | 17:08 |
| yfried | are there any objection? should I add more details? | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | when it starts passing jenkins everyone will review it | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | I don't think anyone has had a chance to really read it yet | 17:09 |
| yfried | mtreinish: ok. | 17:09 |
| sdague | yfried: yeh, I'd run tox locally to make sure it will once uploaded | 17:09 |
| sdague | faster than waiting for nodes to cycle back around | 17:09 |
| dkranz | sdague: +1 | 17:09 |
| yfried | what kind of gate is there for rst file??? | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | yfried: that it actually compiles | 17:09 |
| dkranz | yfried: syntax check | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | ok are there any other specs to bring up today? | 17:10 |
| dkranz | yfried: look in the failed log | 17:10 |
| andreaf | yes | 17:10 |
| yfried | anyway, could I use this stage to ask about scenario in general? | 17:10 |
| yfried | dkranz: I will | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: ok go ahead | 17:10 |
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| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86967/ | 17:10 |
| andreaf | the non-admin one | 17:10 |
| andreaf | is there any further concern with it, did people have a chance to review the latest version? | 17:11 |
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| sdague | andreaf: I am still concerned that it's not doable until the preallocated ids one is done | 17:11 |
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| sdague | which I don't think yet exists | 17:11 |
| andreaf | sdague: yes that's the other spec I wanted to talk about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98400/ | 17:11 |
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| andreaf | andreaf: I propose a possible solution there - my aim was to try and make it as transparent and efficient as possible to people configuring tempest | 17:12 |
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| andreaf | but we could go with the assumption that each process will use up to N accounts and ask people to configure N x number of processes accounts | 17:13 |
| andreaf | with some naming conventions to split them across processes | 17:13 |
| dkranz | sdague: why do you think it is not doable? It is not as good, but should still work with no isolation. You just can't run parallel. | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: so the first one depends on Hierarchical multi-tenancy or the pre allocated ids both of which don't exist yet | 17:13 |
| sdague | dkranz: I think it builds this other path of things we don't self test | 17:14 |
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| sdague | I basically think we should remove non isolation from the code, because it's not regularly tested | 17:14 |
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| mtreinish | we run it every night | 17:14 |
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| mtreinish | it doesn't work | 17:15 |
| sdague | mtreinish: right | 17:15 |
| sdague | and no one fixes it | 17:15 |
| dkranz | sdague: perhaps, but not until non-admin is working | 17:15 |
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| yfried | sdague: mtreinish: it's still needed by some | 17:15 |
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| sdague | yfried: not if we do pre-allocated ids | 17:15 |
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| sdague | this is why I think this whole effort has to start there | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | sdague: mriedem and I were looking at it the other day | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | we kinda got side tracked with gate things | 17:16 |
| dpaterson | if non-isolation code is removed test cannot be run in deployment using VLAN Manger. | 17:16 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: have you looked at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98400/? | 17:16 |
| dkranz | sdague: I think that is fine. Just saying we should not rip out existing code yet because it is used. | 17:16 |
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| sdague | dkranz: yeh, not today | 17:16 |
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| dkranz | sdague: Just because we choose not to have gate jobs for other confis | 17:16 |
| sdague | dpaterson: what's the specific issue there? | 17:16 |
| sdague | dkranz: I'm trying to use that as priority setting | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: it's next on my spec review list. I have some ideas on doing the threading stuff | 17:16 |
| dkranz | sdague: fine | 17:16 |
| dpaterson | So in testing HA deployment that requires vlan manager you cannot turn on tenant isolation | 17:17 |
| sdague | 1) do pre allocation of ids 2) do non admin 3) remove non isolation case | 17:17 |
| yfried | sdague: I'm unfamiliar with pre-allocated ids, so I won't press the issue. but just | 17:17 |
| afazekas | non isolated way is useful with n-net linuxbridge driver, because tempest does not de-allocates the implicitly assigned tenant networks | 17:17 |
| dkranz | sdague: sure | 17:17 |
| sdague | afazekas: that's just a bug right? | 17:17 |
| dkranz | sdague: That is the issue. | 17:17 |
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| dkranz | sdague: the tenant isolation code does not work with many possible network configs. Only those used in the gate now | 17:18 |
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| afazekas | sdague: on tenant deletion it can could be solved by some extra code afaik | 17:18 |
| dkranz | sdague: Because it makes too many assumptions about the network | 17:18 |
| dkranz | sdague: Of course this could be fixed | 17:18 |
| sdague | dkranz: sure, but then lets solve them | 17:18 |
| sdague | instead of keeping around a job which is always failing :) | 17:18 |
| andreaf | ok in any case tenant pre-allocation should work with all nw configs, or? | 17:18 |
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| dkranz | sdague: But then we will have the config issue because we will want to have the fixes tested | 17:18 |
| dkranz | sdague: can we have another job with nova-network vlan? | 17:19 |
| andreaf | if there are specific requirements for the setup of accounts it would be good to include them in the spec for preallocated accounts https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98400/ | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: we can just unit test that the proper calls are being made | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | and assume that works | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | we won't have perfect gate coverage | 17:19 |
| sdague | dkranz: possibly, but to get anywhere, this has to start with the pre allocation of ids | 17:19 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, that's a resonable compromise | 17:19 |
| dkranz | sdague: yes | 17:19 |
| sdague | dpaterson: I'd still like to know if you think it's impossible to work with vlan or just that it doesn't today? | 17:20 |
| dkranz | sdague: just that it does not today | 17:20 |
| sdague | ok | 17:20 |
| dkranz | sdague: also some tempest tests fail and they will have to be fixed too | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | ok so the take away is for everyone to go and review andreaf's spec :) | 17:20 |
| dkranz | sdague: because tempest assumes there is a single fixed network shared by all tenants | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | and then we can go from there | 17:20 |
| sdague | dkranz: right, that we need to fix anyway. So it's goodness. | 17:21 |
| dpaterson | sdaque:just broken today, would be great to run parallel tests with vlan but not possible today. | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | ok are there any other specs to bring up? | 17:21 |
| dpaterson | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91725/ | 17:21 |
| dpaterson | again :) | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91725/ | 17:22 |
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| sdague | so like mtreinish said, lets focus on andreaf's spec and try to get that approved by next week | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: ok, I haven't had a chance to review the latest rev yet | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | but I'll take a look when I can | 17:22 |
| dkranz | dpaterson: I will look at it today | 17:22 |
| dpaterson | k, thanks | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | ok are there any other specs? If not let's move on | 17:23 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 17:24 |
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| sdague | dpaterson: the only other thing I'd like in it is a --dry-run that doesn't do any deletes, just shows what it would delete | 17:24 |
| sdague | so we can use that for audit | 17:24 |
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| sdague | otherwise it looks good | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/ | 17:24 |
| dpaterson | sdague: k good idea | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | ok are there any in progress bps that we need to discuss | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | or have a status update on | 17:24 |
| yfried | mlavalle: ? | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | ok then, let's move on | 17:26 |
| mlavalle | hi | 17:26 |
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| mtreinish | at the next meeting we'll look at the essential and high prio in progress items | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | #topic Midcycle Meetup | 17:26 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Qa_Infra_Meetup_2014 | 17:26 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: regrets :( | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | so for those who haven't seen it yet we're having a midcycle meetup on the week of july 14th in Darmstadt | 17:27 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: But I am going to the neutron thing the week before | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok no worries | 17:28 |
| sdague | I just booked yesterday, looking forward to it | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | the schedule has been basically finalized, at this point | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | I'm working on the list of topics to discuss and work on | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | so if people have ideas please share :) | 17:28 |
| afazekas | - more debug on the gate | 17:29 |
| afazekas | - periodic stress jobs | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: heh, that's a constant | 17:29 |
| afazekas | :) | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | also if you're planning to attend please add yourself to the wiki | 17:29 |
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| mtreinish | other than that I don't think there is anything else about it that's not on the wiki | 17:30 |
| sdague | mordred is a quantum phenomena he'll just appear | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah but we're but using that as a head count for planning :) | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | although I guess we can assume that +1 | 17:30 |
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| sdague | dkranz / afazekas: given all the fedora in gate interest, it might be nice to get more folks that seem to be working on that there | 17:30 |
| sdague | I don't know who else from redhat would be appropriate | 17:31 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I'll suggest that | 17:31 |
| afazekas | psedlak will be there as well. | 17:31 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: ok can you add them to the wiki? | 17:32 |
| andreaf | The test respository / test server / client etc is quite a large one it would be interesting to share some ideas about where do we want to go on that | 17:32 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: yeah I'm sure that'll come up :) | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | well if there isn't anything else about the midcycle let's move on | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | #topic Grenade | 17:33 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: the floor is yours | 17:33 |
| sdague | sure | 17:33 |
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| sdague | it's actually kind of been a grenade week for me | 17:33 |
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| sdague | our last big failure cause in the gate is because of slow nodes in the new hp cloud, some timeout increases based on screen helped | 17:34 |
| sdague | this was basically services not starting on the new side because screen hadn't finished spawning bash | 17:34 |
| sdague | also, the grenade logs in the gate aren't all in console.html any more | 17:35 |
| sdague | but instead peeled off like in devstack runs | 17:35 |
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| sdague | the things that are currently in progress, EmilienM is trying to complete getting the javelin2 pieces I put in tempest to work in grenade | 17:35 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: well we probably should approve that bp before we approve more patches... | 17:36 |
| sdague | I think there is still an issue with image resources because they weren't in the right place | 17:36 |
| sdague | mtreinish: sure | 17:36 |
| sdague | there will also be more resource support coming on the tempest side for that, driven by EmilienM, he's doing heat and ceilometer resources | 17:36 |
| sdague | and neutron | 17:36 |
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| sdague | so I have a todo to fix the spec, I'll do that today | 17:37 |
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| mtreinish | cool, sounds like grenade is getting active | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | which is a good thing | 17:37 |
| sdague | yeh, been great to get assistance from EmilienM. Also happy if other folks want to jump in | 17:37 |
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| sdague | oh, I also have a bashate integration patch :) | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | heh, so it was renamed | 17:37 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-dev/grenade+branch:master+topic:bashate,n,z | 17:38 |
| sdague | it's in process | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | cool | 17:38 |
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| mtreinish | ok anything else on the grenade front? | 17:38 |
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| sdague | mostly I'm trying to make grenade less confusing to people, hopefully will help get more folks engaged | 17:38 |
| sdague | I think that's it | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | ok, yeah I agree making it less confusing is a good goal :) | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | ok well let's move on then | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | #topic Neutron full voting on icehouse and juno (afazekas) | 17:39 |
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| mtreinish | afazekas: this is you | 17:39 |
| afazekas | So the neutron single thread smoke, and multi thread full almost takes the same time to run | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: it looks like a 10min delta | 17:40 |
| afazekas | I am wondering Do we have any know issue which prevents replacing the smoke neutron jub with the full one ? | 17:40 |
| sdague | afazekas: what's the current success rate? | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | mestery or salv-orlando said there are some neutron bugs, but we should be making the switch by j-2 | 17:41 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: I'm not sure the numbers I'd have to dig them up | 17:42 |
| sdague | sure, I was hoping afazekas had them as he added the agenda item :) | 17:42 |
| mlavalle | mtreinish: I am sitting next to mestery in a meeting. I can ask him about the bugs | 17:42 |
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| afazekas | http://logstash.openstack.org/#eyJzZWFyY2giOiJtZXNzYWdlOiBcIkxvYWRpbmcgbm9kZSBlbnZpcm9ubWVudCB2YXJpYWJsZXNcIiBBTkQgcHJvamVjdDpcIm9wZW5zdGFjay90ZW1wZXN0XCIgQU5EIGJ1aWxkX25hbWU6XCJjaGVjay10ZW1wZXN0LWRzdm0tbmV1dHJvbi1mdWxsXCIgQU5EIGJ1aWxkX3N0YXR1czpcIkZBSUxVUkVcIiIsImZpZWxkcyI6W10sIm9mZnNldCI6MCwidGltZWZyYW1lIjoiNjA0ODAwIiwiZ3JhcGhtb2RlIjoiY291bnQiLCJ0aW1lIjp7InVzZXJfaW50ZXJ2YWwiOjB9LCJzdGFtcCI6MTQwMzE5NzUwNzM1NiwibW9kZSI6IiIsImFuYWx5emV | 17:42 |
| afazekas | fZmllbGQiOiIifQ== | 17:42 |
| afazekas | http://logstash.openstack.org/#eyJzZWFyY2giOiJtZXNzYWdlOiBcIkxvYWRpbmcgbm9kZSBlbnZpcm9ubWVudCB2YXJpYWJsZXNcIiBBTkQgcHJvamVjdDpcIm9wZW5zdGFjay90ZW1wZXN0XCIgQU5EIGJ1aWxkX25hbWU6XCJjaGVjay10ZW1wZXN0LWRzdm0tbmV1dHJvblwiIEFORCBidWlsZF9zdGF0dXM6XCJGQUlMVVJFXCIiLCJmaWVsZHMiOltdLCJvZmZzZXQiOjAsInRpbWVmcmFtZSI6IjYwNDgwMCIsImdyYXBobW9kZSI6ImNvdW50IiwidGltZSI6eyJ1c2VyX2ludGVydmFsIjowfSwic3RhbXAiOjE0MDMxOTc2MTQ4NDQsIm1vZGUiOiIiLCJhbmFseXplX2ZpZWx | 17:42 |
| afazekas | kIjoiIn0= | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: big urls... | 17:43 |
| yfried | afazekas: these links don't show anything | 17:43 |
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| afazekas | Unfortunately I see a difference | 17:44 |
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| afazekas | 54 failure with smoke , 123 with full from 405 job | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: yeah it's not quite there yet.. | 17:45 |
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| mlavalle | mtreinish: mestery doesn't have the details about the bugs in the Neutron job. He agreed to add the issue as an explicit point this coming Monday during the Neutron IRC meeting | 17:45 |
| sdague | so, who's actually working on it? | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: ok | 17:45 |
| mlavalle | rosella_s and salvatore | 17:46 |
| mlavalle | sdague^^^ | 17:46 |
| sdague | I think that's the concern I have, to the point where I'd almost like a moratorium on neutron tests until that's resolved | 17:46 |
| sdague | because I feel like more of the neutron team should be fixing this | 17:46 |
| sdague | as this was really supposed to have been an icehouse goal | 17:47 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I think that's a fair point | 17:47 |
| mlavalle | sdague: I will make sure that by Monday we have a detail list of bugs to be fixed, so we know what the gap is | 17:47 |
| sdague | mlavalle: great | 17:48 |
| mestery | sdague: Fair point indeed, I'll take this up and get back to you. | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | I think we should hold off on reviewing new neutron tests until we make the switch | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | either way | 17:48 |
| mlavalle | sdague, mtreinish: if the team feels that is the best use of my upstream bandwidth, I can take this as my main focus over the next few weeks | 17:48 |
| afazekas | mlavalle: If you can tell me 1-2 most frequent failure signature, I also can have a look | 17:48 |
| sdague | yeh, especially because the time budget concerns are going to be different | 17:48 |
| sdague | mlavalle: yeh, that would be great | 17:49 |
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| sdague | I think this is the most important neutron qa item at the moment | 17:49 |
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| sdague | especially because parallel exposes so many things | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | sdague: +1 | 17:49 |
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| mtreinish | I'll send something to the ML about holding off on adding new neutron tests | 17:49 |
| mlavalle | ok, I will realign my priorities…… by Monday I will a clear picture of where we are in this fromt | 17:50 |
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| sdague | mlavalle: great, thanks | 17:50 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: great, yeah hopefully we're almost there | 17:50 |
| mlavalle | I don't think we are that far, I think it is a metter of this being someone's key priority | 17:50 |
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| mtreinish | ok let's move on ~10min left | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:51 |
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| mtreinish | so there are 3 from yfried on the list already | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62101/ | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92573/ | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/77816 | 17:52 |
| yfried | mtreinish: the first is kinda your baby. I'm just a guardian | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | that 3rd one is blocked per the discussion we just had... | 17:52 |
| yfried | mtreinish: I don't follow | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | it adds a new neutron test right? | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | are there any other reviews people want to bring up | 17:53 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: we should not kill flying patches | 17:53 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I think we could accept tests that are already in flight | 17:53 |
| sdague | patch #2 was previously approved, I think it's fine to take it back in | 17:53 |
| yfried | my main concern now is patch 1 | 17:53 |
| sdague | mtreinish: any objection on my fast approving https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92573/ | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: it's just holding off on hitting the +A | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | sdague: nope +A | 17:54 |
| sdague | dkranz: if they aren't hugely expensive | 17:54 |
| afazekas | LGTM | 17:54 |
| sdague | the lbaas tests in flight are long | 17:54 |
| sdague | and I think we need to reevaluate where that's all going | 17:55 |
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| dkranz | sdague: Agreed, but that is a different issue | 17:55 |
| sdague | dkranz: sure | 17:55 |
| yfried | sdague: but scenarios should be longer than usual | 17:55 |
| yfried | sdague: as they are testing complex operations | 17:55 |
| afazekas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98065/ rhis should stabilize the lbaas tests | 17:55 |
| dkranz | This whole gate budget thing is a nightmare we need to resolve but there is no quick fix. | 17:56 |
| sdague | yeh, gate time budget should be on the agenda for germany | 17:56 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: yeah I'll add it there | 17:56 |
| yfried | sdague: dkranz: could we set complex/long scenarios to run less frequently? | 17:56 |
| sdague | yfried: I think we probably need to figure out which lbaas scenario is the right one to gate every commit on, and just run the rest in the periodic job | 17:57 |
| sdague | I don't think we should have 3 that each run over a minute in the main gate | 17:57 |
| yfried | sdague: that's what I'm asking. we shouldn't give up on them though | 17:57 |
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| dkranz | yfried: We could run them nightly but historically, nightlies are treated as 10th-class citizens | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | sdague: we could always just start making a general slow tag and job | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | not just limit it to heat | 17:57 |
| dkranz | If we could crack that issue it would open up many more possibilities | 17:57 |
| sdague | dkranz: yeh, but with nightly being in the experimental queue | 17:57 |
| sdague | I'm not so sure I buy the fact that it doesn't count | 17:58 |
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| dkranz | sdague: didn't understand your last comment | 17:58 |
| yfried | sdague: so that's a general acceptance of the patches? | 17:58 |
| afazekas | sdague: If we would an an extra worker to the parallel jobs this kind of things would not be an issue | 17:58 |
| sdague | afazekas: there is a limit | 17:58 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: that doesn't actually speed things up that much | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | it's a diminishing margin | 17:59 |
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| yfried | sdague: could I just have your general thoughts about patch #3 before the mtg is over? | 17:59 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: a better worker balance would be more helpful | 17:59 |
| yfried | sdague: you were initially against it | 17:59 |
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| mtreinish | afazekas: it'll help but not give us a huge decrease in run time | 18:00 |
| sdague | yfried: only because no one showed test results for it | 18:00 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:branchless-tempest-docs,n,z | 18:01 |
| sdague | we're at time | 18:01 |
| yfried | sdague: yeah, that's cause it's multi-node | 18:01 |
| mtreinish | yeah I just noticed that | 18:01 |
| mtreinish | hwclock drift | 18:01 |
| mtreinish | I need to switch to the ntp daemon | 18:01 |
| sdague | mtreinish: use ntp :) | 18:01 |
| mtreinish | instead of on a cron job | 18:01 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 19 18:01:39 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-06-19-17.02.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-06-19-17.02.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-06-19-17.02.log.html | 18:01 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 18:01 |
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| mikal | Nova meeting in 3... 2... 1... | 20:59 |
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| mikal | tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto mzoeller funzo this is your requested ping | 21:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 19 21:00:49 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mikal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| mspreitz | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | So, who is around? | 21:01 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:01 |
| mriedem | hi | 21:01 |
| mriedem | again | 21:01 |
| tjones | hi | 21:01 |
| alex_xu | hi | 21:01 |
| angdraug | o/ | 21:01 |
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| melwitt | o/ | 21:01 |
| yjiang5 | o/ | 21:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:01 |
| xarses | o/ | 21:01 |
| leifz | o/ | 21:01 |
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| jogo | o/ | 21:01 |
| mikal | Ok, so let's get started then | 21:01 |
| russellb | o/ | 21:01 |
| mikal | #topic Juno-2 | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Juno-2 (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| mikal | #info Juno-2 is 24 July | 21:02 |
| sdague | o/ | 21:02 |
| mikal | Which is just before our midcycle meetup | 21:02 |
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| mikal | #info Proposed spec review day on 26 June | 21:02 |
| mikal | John and I like the idea of trying to do a spec review day on 26 June | 21:02 |
| mikal | People hang out in openstack-nova, and we try to iterate on specs faster than we have so far | 21:02 |
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| * russellb out that day on PTO | 21:03 | |
| mikal | We think this is important because we need to get specs approved before very early July if they're going to make it into Juno | 21:03 |
| mikal | PTO? | 21:03 |
| russellb | paid time off | 21:03 |
| mikal | Is that American for vacation? | 21:03 |
| russellb | yes | 21:03 |
| sdague | only some americans :) | 21:03 |
| mikal | Fair enough | 21:03 |
| mikal | So... Is there another day that week that works better for people? | 21:03 |
| mikal | John and I are thinking of a proposal freeze for specs of July 2, so we need to do this before that | 21:04 |
| mspreitz | 25 or 27 are better than 26 of June for me | 21:04 |
| mikal | With the end goal being to try and prioritize spec implementations for review by July 10ish | 21:04 |
| mikal | (These dates to be announced in email soon) | 21:04 |
| * mikal looks up what days of the week those are | 21:05 | |
| mikal | So, Wednesday or Friday work better for people? | 21:05 |
| mikal | I think Friday is bad because its Saturday for Asian devs | 21:05 |
| mriedem | friday is a bad idea right | 21:05 |
| tjones | wednesday | 21:05 |
| mikal | Yeah, I think Wednesday might be the winner there | 21:05 |
| mriedem | hump day for reviews | 21:05 |
| mikal | #info Spec review day on 25 June, in #openstack-nova | 21:05 |
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| mikal | So yeah, just wanting to reinforce the general plan: we do a review day to clean up; have a proposal freeze soon after; and then triage things so we have a prioritized list for review as things land | 21:06 |
| mikal | Any concerns with that plan? | 21:07 |
| sdague | is there a prioritized list of specs that should get hit | 21:07 |
| sdague | there is such a large wall of them at the moment | 21:07 |
| mikal | sdague: not at this point (I assume you mean for the review day) | 21:07 |
| sdague | yeh | 21:07 |
| dansmith | right, we do it that day, right? | 21:07 |
| dansmith | that's part of the review we need to do I think | 21:07 |
| angdraug | 24 June for spec triage day? | 21:07 |
| sdague | sounds good | 21:07 |
| mikal | Well, the day is also quite long | 21:08 |
| mikal | i.e. its the night before you guys for me | 21:08 |
| mikal | So early people could have a go at prioritizing as part of reviews | 21:08 |
| mikal | We can track that in an etherpad | 21:08 |
| mikal | But I can pre-create that etherpad so people can try doing that now if they want | 21:08 |
| russellb | the NFV sub-team would love for us to prioritize the specs tracked here: https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Teams/NFV | 21:08 |
| russellb | :) | 21:08 |
| mikal | #action mikal to create etherpad for spec review day where people can try and pre-prioritize | 21:09 |
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| mikal | russellb: heh, I'm going to make you talk about nfv in subteams | 21:09 |
| russellb | if you want to review stuff that at least some group this is important | 21:09 |
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| russellb | thinks* | 21:09 |
| mikal | I do think prioritization has to include reasons | 21:09 |
| mikal | Not "cause my thing!" | 21:09 |
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| mikal | Ok, it sounds like we can move on from here | 21:09 |
| mikal | #topic Bugs | 21:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:10 | |
| mikal | So, we still have a lot of bugs | 21:10 |
| mikal | jogo has some interesting ideas about an initial automated cleanup | 21:10 |
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| mikal | jogo: want to talk about that? | 21:10 |
| jogo | mikal: yeah | 21:10 |
| jogo | so this isn't automated cleanup per se | 21:10 |
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| jogo | so we have been getting better at doing the initial bug triage | 21:11 |
| jogo | but we are still really bad at following up with existing bugs | 21:11 |
| jogo | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/eEYO2Fdsuv | 21:11 |
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| jogo | so based on a previous meeting I took a look at what infra uses (thanks pleia2) and added a few things to it | 21:11 |
| jogo | http://paste.openstack.org/show/84532 | 21:11 |
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| jogo | ^ is a link to the first 300 or so bugs (sorted by priority) | 21:12 |
| jogo | generated with https://github.com/jogo/openstack-infra-scripts | 21:12 |
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| mikal | So the general idea is to unassign idle bugs, make status match reality, etc. Yes? | 21:12 |
| jogo | with that its fairly easy to follow up on bug statuses and fix them | 21:12 |
| jogo | mikal: correct | 21:12 |
| mikal | i.e. in progress with abandoned patch != in progress | 21:12 |
| jogo | mikal: bingo | 21:12 |
| mriedem | yeah the first on that list all patches are merged but it's marked as 'confirmed'? | 21:12 |
| mikal | Cool | 21:12 |
| jogo | mikal: and confirmed ith merged patch may be fixed as well | 21:13 |
| jogo | mriedem: I just fixed that one a few minutes ago in fact | 21:13 |
| mikal | So, if some people want to volunteer to have a grind through some of those that would be appreciated | 21:13 |
| jogo | mikal: yeah | 21:13 |
| jogo | I was hoping the existing bug team can use this | 21:13 |
| jogo | tjones: ^ | 21:13 |
| mikal | Noting that stackalytics now tracks bug closes as contributions, which I am hoping will help too | 21:13 |
| tjones | yeah thanks jogo | 21:14 |
| mikal | I think we should also be reminding people that when they close a bug they should do a quick search for duplicates, or very similar bugs | 21:14 |
| jogo | so paste cut off my list but I have los for about 1k bugs | 21:14 |
| mikal | I've started just picking keywords and searching as I work on a bug | 21:14 |
| jogo | I have a hunch we can close a few hundred of those easily | 21:14 |
| tjones | ooooooooooooooo | 21:14 |
| mikal | And its surprising how often we have very similar bugs | 21:14 |
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| mikal | I think this is also a pretty obvious topic for the mid cycle meetup... May be we should carve out some time to try and grid through fixing states etc | 21:15 |
| mikal | We'll wait and see how bad things are at that point I suppose | 21:15 |
| mikal | #info jogo has a script which helps find bugs in inconsistent states | 21:15 |
| jogo | ++ to doing that at mid cycle, but we don't have to wait until then to start working | 21:16 |
| mikal | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/eEYO2Fdsuv | 21:16 |
| jogo | tjones: lets sync after the meeting | 21:16 |
| tjones | jogo: lets sync | 21:16 |
| tjones | lol | 21:16 |
| tjones | i was just saying that | 21:16 |
| mikal | Yes, I very much would like to see some of this done before the mid cycle | 21:16 |
| mikal | Mid cycle is a very expensive way of working on bug state | 21:16 |
| mikal | But we'll do it if we have to | 21:16 |
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| mikal | If people feel that bribes would help, then I'd be interested in suggestions | 21:16 |
| mikal | I could buy mars bars for people or something | 21:16 |
| * mikal flails at incentives | 21:17 | |
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| mikal | tjones: any interesting bugs for us this week? | 21:17 |
| angdraug | re bribes: find a way prioritize review inbox by committer's karma in LP? | 21:18 |
| tjones | yes 2 citical bugs that are not assigned | 21:18 |
| tjones | i think 1 just got fixed | 21:18 |
| tjones | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1275500 | 21:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1275500 in nova "Cannot reboot instance: Network filter not found: Could not find filter" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:18 |
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| tjones | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1257626 | 21:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1257626 in nova "Timeout while waiting on RPC response - topic: "network", RPC method: "allocate_for_instance" info: "<unknown>"" [Critical,Invalid] | 21:18 |
| xarses | +1 on bug karma == more reviews | 21:18 |
| tjones | both affecting gate | 21:19 |
| jogo | tjones: 1257626 re-open didn't appear to be valid | 21:19 |
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| mikal | I also think that https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1313477 looks interesting | 21:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1313477 in nova "libvirt driver hang with genisoimage when boot new instance" [High,Confirmed] | 21:19 |
| mikal | (Possible eventlet bug) | 21:19 |
| mikal | And https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1316621 | 21:20 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1316621 in nova "ebtables calls can race with libvirt" [Medium,Confirmed] | 21:20 |
| mikal | (Race condition with ebtables and libvirt) | 21:20 |
| mikal | Those two are less urgent, but look interesting | 21:20 |
| sdague | jogo: 1257626 - it's probably the general screen race, I've got a retry loop to see if that helps | 21:20 |
| jogo | sdague: ahh that makes sense | 21:21 |
| mriedem | yeah was gonna say that sounded like the grenade one that is failing 25% of the time | 21:21 |
| tjones | also we've been trying to triage the untriaged bugs in our meeting. it's really slow going especially since the subject matter experts may not be around | 21:21 |
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| sdague | jogo: oh, wait. for large-ops, it shouldn't be using screen. | 21:21 |
| mikal | tjones: is it worth reminding people in nova IRC at the start of that meeting that its on? | 21:21 |
| mikal | tjones: or are you already doing that? | 21:21 |
| tjones | the ares with the mostr untriaged bugs are novaclient, network, testing (surprse), and compute | 21:21 |
| tjones | I do that | 21:22 |
| mikal | OK cool | 21:22 |
| tjones | oh and api | 21:22 |
| mikal | So, we should help tjones more, and fix lots of bugs. Kthxbye. | 21:22 |
| tjones | lol | 21:22 |
| mriedem | those tags are super broad, except novaclient | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | testing is basically anything that fails a compute test in tempest | 21:23 |
| mriedem | of which there are many | 21:23 |
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| mikal | So, we should probably move on unless there's anything else we can achieve with bugs right now | 21:23 |
| mriedem | network could be nova-network or neutronapi | 21:23 |
| mriedem | arosen is about the only person that fixes neturonapi bugs | 21:23 |
| tjones | yes - ideas for helping make this bettter? | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | not really, more specific tags for people to ignore :) | 21:24 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:24 |
| tjones | lol | 21:24 |
| mriedem | move on | 21:24 |
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| mikal | tjones: perhaps emailing out lists of untriaged bugs? | 21:24 |
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| tjones | sure | 21:24 |
| tjones | here is the link by tag https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage | 21:25 |
| russellb | including a short list of untriaged ones | 21:25 |
| russellb | link bait gets me | 21:25 |
| russellb | like, if i could just click one to triage, and at least have contributed that one | 21:25 |
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| tjones | that has a link to untraged bugs per area | 21:25 |
| tjones | i'll send out something to the ML | 21:26 |
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| mriedem | next topic? | 21:28 |
| mikal | Sorry | 21:29 |
| mikal | DSL dropped | 21:29 |
| mikal | #topic Gate status | 21:29 |
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| mikal | So, my understanding is we can now approve things like crazy again | 21:29 |
| mriedem | already have been | 21:30 |
| mikal | sdague: is that a fair summary of the state of play? | 21:30 |
| sdague | mikal: yes sir | 21:30 |
| jogo | mikal: ++ | 21:30 |
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| jogo | lets break some records https://github.com/openstack/openstack/graphs/commit-activity | 21:30 |
| mikal | Yeah, I guess I'm more after "do you still need help?" | 21:30 |
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| sdague | you have 2.5 hrs to try to land another 30 patches to make it another > 100 merge day | 21:30 |
| mriedem | fyi that people will probably be rechecking for httpretty failures https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1332266 | 21:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1332266 in openstack-ci "httpretty 0.8.1 fails to install, causing job failure" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:30 |
| mikal | It would be nice to be fixing things so we don't end up wedged again | 21:30 |
| sdague | mriedem: only novaclient, right? | 21:30 |
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| mriedem | sdague: was more than novaclient in logstash | 21:31 |
| sdague | well, the clients in general | 21:31 |
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| sdague | that's where it mostly was being pulled in | 21:31 |
| mikal | Ok, but if people see that failure they can just recheck with that bug number, so its not the end of the world | 21:31 |
| mriedem | as for gate status, i still have suspicions about ec2 tests and boto connection pools causing issues with nova-network | 21:31 |
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| mriedem | the one ssh timeout bug in scenario tests | 21:31 |
| mikal | We have a little more logging in nova-network now, but I think we need more | 21:31 |
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| mikal | linux_net specifically could do with more | 21:31 |
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| mikal | I'll try and take a look at that in the next few days | 21:32 |
| mikal | Unless someone beats me to it | 21:32 |
| mikal | Nothing else for gate right now, right? | 21:32 |
| mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1298472 | 21:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1298472 in tempest "SSHTimeout in tempest scenario tests using nova-network" [Critical,Fix committed] | 21:32 |
| mriedem | that's the ssh one | 21:32 |
| mriedem | *one of them | 21:32 |
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| mriedem | no other gate stuff | 21:33 |
| mikal | Ok, let's move on | 21:33 |
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| mikal | #topic Subteam reports | 21:33 |
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| mikal | Containers people... Got anything to say? | 21:33 |
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| russellb | sounds like there has been really nice nova-docker progress this cycle | 21:33 |
| russellb | on features | 21:33 |
| mikal | Cool | 21:33 |
| mikal | ewindisch: you around? | 21:33 |
| * russellb not a containers person, just hearing updates | 21:34 | |
| mikal | It would be interesting to know what their plans are for merging back | 21:34 |
| mikal | i.e. which milestone | 21:34 |
| mikal | But I think we've missed out on containers people today | 21:34 |
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| mikal | Ironic people... How goes your nova driver? | 21:34 |
| mikal | devananda: ^-- | 21:35 |
| devananda | hi! | 21:35 |
| mikal | How goes your driver? | 21:35 |
| mikal | I know you'd like to trick us into more spec reviews? | 21:35 |
| devananda | stability is good. testing is good. thanks to the folks who have reviewed the spec! | 21:35 |
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| devananda | mikal: i haven't proposed the driver code yet to nova, since the spec hasn't been approved | 21:36 |
| mikal | The gate job ended up not being removed, right? | 21:36 |
| devananda | we're continuing to improve it in our tree until then | 21:36 |
| devananda | the gate job was never removed -- just made non-voting briefly | 21:36 |
| devananda | and we'vce proposed to revert that | 21:36 |
| devananda | it was coupled to oslo-test which put ironic in the integrated gate | 21:36 |
| mikal | So its more reliable now? | 21:36 |
| devananda | it was reliable, outside of network issues | 21:36 |
| devananda | and yes, thsoe have been addressed too now | 21:37 |
| mikal | Ahhh, ok | 21:37 |
| devananda | (the failures were in downlading UCA PPA's) | 21:37 |
| mikal | How is progress going on getting it reporting like a third party CI in nova reviews? | 21:37 |
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| devananda | that has stalled in infra | 21:37 |
| devananda | let me find the patch | 21:37 |
| devananda | (sorry, jugglign two meetings at once ) | 21:37 |
| mikal | Oh, sorry | 21:37 |
| devananda | https://review.openstack.org/97411 | 21:37 |
| mikal | I can ask jhesketh to chase that with clarkb today | 21:38 |
| sdague | there apparently seems to have been some disconnect in what everyone thought was agreed there. I think it would be good to get mikal, devananda, jeblair into an irc room again to sort out the final bits of confusion | 21:38 |
| mikal | Ok, I'd be happy to do that | 21:39 |
| devananda | ++ | 21:39 |
| mikal | Can someone propose a time and place in email? | 21:39 |
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| mikal | Anything else for ironic before we roll on? | 21:39 |
| devananda | mikal: aside from please review the specs -- no :) | 21:39 |
| mikal | So noted | 21:40 |
| devananda | thanks! | 21:40 |
| mikal | Note our spec review day next week, that's your time to iterate quickly | 21:40 |
| mikal | NFV team... russellb, how goes it? | 21:40 |
| devananda | mikal: sorry. which day? | 21:40 |
| russellb | o/ | 21:40 |
| mikal | devananda: Wednesday next week | 21:40 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Teams/NFV | 21:40 |
| russellb | so this isn't nova specific, but highly related to nova | 21:40 |
| jeblair | i don't think i have an objection to that patch | 21:40 |
| devananda | ugh. i'll be on a plane // onsite ... | 21:40 |
| russellb | there's a couple things here, 1) what is NFV? and 2) what does that mean for us (OpenStack) ? | 21:40 |
| mikal | russellb: is there a list of features needed from nova forming somewhere? | 21:41 |
| russellb | NFV in short, is a standardization effort in the telco industry on using a cloud platform and VMs to replace hardware network applicances | 21:41 |
| russellb | to be more agile | 21:41 |
| russellb | mikal: yep, will get to that in a sec | 21:41 |
| mikal | Appliances like routers? | 21:41 |
| russellb | yes | 21:41 |
| jeblair | sdague, devananda, mikal: ^ | 21:41 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Teams/NFV#What_is_NFV.3F | 21:41 |
| russellb | if nothing else, read our stuff on "What is NFV" | 21:41 |
| russellb | just 2 paragraphs | 21:41 |
| mikal | #info People should read the NFV wiki page | 21:42 |
| russellb | so, the NFV people want to standardize on OPenStack as the platform | 21:42 |
| russellb | which is cool. | 21:42 |
| russellb | and a HUGE opportunity | 21:42 |
| mikal | Are there any proposed specs ready for review now, or are people still frantically typing? | 21:42 |
| russellb | because the industry we're talking about is _really_ bug | 21:42 |
| mikal | Big I hope | 21:42 |
| russellb | big yes | 21:42 |
| russellb | so we want to help make sure OpenStack supports their use cases | 21:42 |
| russellb | and THAT is where the openstack NFV team comes in | 21:42 |
| mikal | Do they have a realistic timeline? | 21:43 |
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| russellb | the wiki page includes what NFV is, use cases, and a list of development efforts in support of NFV use cases | 21:43 |
| mikal | I assume its going to take us a while to get all this done? | 21:43 |
| russellb | dev efforts: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Teams/NFV#Development_Efforts | 21:43 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Teams/NFV#Development_Efforts | 21:43 |
| russellb | yes, it'll be a while | 21:43 |
| russellb | but there's several doable for juno, for sure | 21:43 |
| russellb | lots of specs on that list ready for review | 21:43 |
| mikal | Excellent | 21:43 |
| russellb | some with implementations in progress | 21:43 |
| mikal | I think the "what is NFV" thing is a pretty helpful contribution by itself to be honest | 21:43 |
| russellb | so basically, anything on that page is being requested by REALLY big potential openstack users | 21:43 |
| mikal | But it sounds like its relatively on track | 21:44 |
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| russellb | yes the #1 goal of that page is to be able to point openstack devs to it | 21:44 |
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| russellb | to get quick context on all this | 21:44 |
| russellb | that's one of the key deliverables of the team | 21:44 |
| russellb | context around NFV, and tracking the work | 21:44 |
| mikal | Awesome. Anything else we should know about NFV before we move on? | 21:44 |
| russellb | nope! | 21:44 |
| mikal | Yay! | 21:44 |
| mikal | Scheduler peoples... How goes your scheduler refactor? | 21:45 |
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| n0ano | still ongoing, not much to report yet | 21:45 |
| n0ano | but we think we know what we are doing | 21:45 |
| mikal | Ok | 21:45 |
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| mikal | The BP said it was ready for review IIRC | 21:45 |
| mikal | Is that correct? | 21:45 |
| mikal | Or is there more coding to be done? | 21:45 |
| n0ano | There is one that should be ready now, yes | 21:46 |
| mikal | Ok, cool | 21:46 |
| n0ano | there will be more work but there'll be another BP | 21:46 |
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| mikal | Sounds like its in progress and we should get to reviews soonish | 21:46 |
| mikal | Anything else from scheduler peeps? | 21:46 |
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| n0ano | just a sec and I can give the links to review | 21:46 |
| n0ano | they are: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82778 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97232/ | 21:47 |
| mikal | Cool | 21:47 |
| mikal | So... What subteams did I forget? | 21:47 |
| tjones | vmwareapi | 21:47 |
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| mikal | And do we like calling them out like this, or should we just pile on like we used to? | 21:47 |
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| tjones | i like calling it out | 21:47 |
| mikal | I like it too, but I'm often wrong | 21:48 |
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| tjones | :-D | 21:48 |
| mikal | Ok, vmwareapi. Sorry for forgetting such a lovely subteam. Report! | 21:48 |
| tjones | no prob. and i'll be quick as usual | 21:48 |
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| tjones | phase 2 refactor is ready for review https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vmware-subteam-juno | 21:48 |
| mikal | And phase 3 is still a work in progress, right? | 21:49 |
| tjones | the top lists the patches in order. reviews much appreciated! phase 3 is being worked in parallel - it will be posted very soon | 21:49 |
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| mikal | Cool | 21:49 |
| mikal | Anything else? | 21:49 |
| tjones | nope that's it | 21:49 |
| mikal | Cool | 21:49 |
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| mikal | #topic Open Discussion | 21:49 |
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| angdraug | o/ | 21:50 |
| mikal | We have 10 minutes for open discussion | 21:50 |
| mikal | Spend it wisely | 21:50 |
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| mspreitz | nova networking | 21:50 |
| mikal | Go | 21:50 |
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| mspreitz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1327406 | 21:50 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1327406 in nova "The One And Only network is variously visible" [Undecided,In progress] | 21:50 |
| russellb | i'll make a few more notes about nova + NFV ... the requests are largely around getting most performance possible out of VMs, so all generally useful stuff as well, but critical for some telco uses | 21:50 |
| mspreitz | It looks like nova flat networking does not allow a non-administrative user to enumerate networks | 21:50 |
| mspreitz | ... which looks pretty wrong to me | 21:51 |
| mspreitz | and, of course, the doc sucks | 21:51 |
| russellb | that's the kind of stuff most doable for juno, so SR-IOV networking, NUMA, large pages, dedicated CPUs ... | 21:51 |
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| mspreitz | I am wondering why gate doesn't object to current breakage. And what people think the right fix is. | 21:52 |
| mspreitz | And, what were they thinking anyway? | 21:52 |
| mikal | mspreitz: vishy has been doing a bunch of work on nova-network recently, it would be a good idea to draw this bug to his attention | 21:52 |
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| mikal | He might have more context about the historical reasons (or lack thereof) | 21:52 |
| mspreitz | that's a different vish than I already have subscribed? | 21:52 |
| mikal | No, that's him | 21:53 |
| russellb | no, that's not him | 21:53 |
| mikal | But a ping on IRC might be more effective | 21:53 |
| russellb | wrong launchpad vish | 21:53 |
| mikal | Oh, ok | 21:53 |
| mikal | Sigh | 21:53 |
| alex_xu | for nova api, just wanting more core review on v2.1 on v3 and nova api policy - we still block on those. After those got approved, it will be a lot of patches for them, so hope we can doing on it early. | 21:53 |
| mikal | But I am sure he gets lots of bug email | 21:53 |
| mspreitz | OK, I'll try to alert the right vish | 21:53 |
| mikal | So, I'd ping him in IRC | 21:53 |
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| mikal | angdraug: you had something as well? | 21:53 |
| angdraug | rbd backend | 21:53 |
| mspreitz | In IRC he is "vishy" ? | 21:53 |
| angdraug | I have a patch series to address a number of problems with rbd driver, in review since May 1 (one patch since September 2013 really) | 21:53 |
| angdraug | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bug/1226351,n,z | 21:54 |
| mikal | mspreitz: yes | 21:54 |
| mspreitz | thanks | 21:54 |
| angdraug | blueprint rbd-clone-image-handler, spec: https://review.openstack.org/91486 | 21:54 |
| angdraug | the first commit in the series ups RPC API, so I have to keep rebasing when other API affecting changes are merged ahead of it (4 times so far) | 21:54 |
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| angdraug | it didn't have -1 since June 11, a week ago (was addressed on June 12, still a week ago) | 21:54 |
| mikal | The spec is approved? | 21:54 |
| angdraug | no, still in review | 21:54 |
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| russellb | angdraug: can you ping pbrady (or pixelbeat on irc sometimes) ? i was talking to him today about getting more involved with ceph+nova, so he may be able to help review | 21:54 |
| angdraug | first commit is a bugfix, the spec related commits depend on it | 21:54 |
| mikal | So that wont be helping | 21:54 |
| yjiang5 | russellb: I think the integration testing for these feature is something interesting. | 21:54 |
| angdraug | I will, thanks | 21:54 |
| russellb | yjiang5: yes | 21:55 |
| mikal | pixelbeat would be a great person to get involved | 21:55 |
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| dgenin | I have a patch that depends on Barbican, which is now in incubation. The Barbican wrapper spec has been approved https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94918/ | 21:55 |
| angdraug | I would really appreciate if this could be given a priority over other API changes long enough to get merged | 21:55 |
| angdraug | any chance of that? | 21:56 |
| mikal | What's the review number for the API change? | 21:56 |
| mikal | That's the bugfix one right? | 21:56 |
| yjiang5 | russellb: We should push tempest case to upstream, but also keep them easily be tested by 3rd parties (considering so many vendor interest on it) since gate has no hardware testing. | 21:56 |
| angdraug | 91722 | 21:56 |
| angdraug | yes | 21:56 |
| russellb | yjiang5: *nod* ... we'll have to rely heavily on *VERY* good unit testing for the gate for now | 21:57 |
| angdraug | the bp commits are pretty well isolated, not a lot of conflicts on rebase | 21:57 |
| russellb | and vendor testing of hw environments | 21:57 |
| mikal | angdraug: I will take a look at that review today | 21:57 |
| mikal | If other people could take a look too that would be great | 21:57 |
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| mriedem | angdraug: when is rbd/ceph 3rd party CI going to be a thing? :) | 21:57 |
| mikal | angdraug: we don't really have a process for compelling people to review something though | 21:57 |
| angdraug | thanks. re testing, fuel team is working on running CI with master branches, we're only running stable/* for now | 21:58 |
| mikal | I would like to see third party CI on this though | 21:58 |
| mriedem | ++ | 21:58 |
| russellb | mikal: for rbd? | 21:58 |
| angdraug | mriedem: it's still probably a month away at list | 21:58 |
| angdraug | at least even | 21:58 |
| mikal | russellb: yes | 21:58 |
| mriedem | rbd/ceph 3rd party CI was discussed when things were pulled from FFE in icehouse | 21:58 |
| mikal | russellb: well, kind of for all of these things | 21:58 |
| angdraug | when we can have fuel ci for this, it will cover rbd | 21:58 |
| mikal | russellb: lvm, rbd, etc etc | 21:58 |
| russellb | mikal: yeah, i'll go chase that a bit here | 21:58 |
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| mikal | russellb: that would be awesome | 21:58 |
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| yjiang5 | mikal: do you know how many person register for the meetup till now? | 21:59 |
| russellb | time up! | 22:00 |
| dansmith | did we have a registration thing? | 22:00 |
| mriedem | eventbrite | 22:00 |
| sdague | so, interestingly, we're going to flip on trusty images probably tonight | 22:00 |
| tjones | do you guys have the link handy? I didn't register | 22:00 |
| mriedem | linked from wiki | 22:00 |
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| sdague | which means ceph would be theoretically testable in our ci | 22:00 |
| mikal | So yeah, out of time unfortunately | 22:00 |
| n0ano | tjones, start here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/BeavertonJunoSprint | 22:00 |
| mikal | We have 15 for the meetup IIRC | 22:00 |
| mikal | The rego link is on the wiki page | 22:00 |
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| tjones | htanks n0ano | 22:00 |
| mikal | Thanks everyone for your time | 22:00 |
| mikal | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 19 22:00:59 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-06-19-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-06-19-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-06-19-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
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