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| loquacities | heya APAC docs people! | 03:02 |
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| loquacities | anyone here? | 03:02 |
| loquacities | slong? | 03:02 |
| * annegentle waves | 03:02 | |
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| loquacities | heya annegentle | 03:02 |
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| loquacities | ok, i'll give everyone another couple of minutes | 03:04 |
| martinlopes | hi loquacities | 03:05 |
| loquacities | oh hi martinlopes | 03:06 |
| loquacities | i think we haven't made quorum :( | 03:06 |
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| annegentle | meh, not like we have to vote on much :) | 03:06 |
| loquacities | heh, true | 03:07 |
| loquacities | we can just chat in the other chan, i think :) | 03:07 |
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| slong | loquacities: I don't have anything and am RUNNING on another deadline... | 03:09 |
| loquacities | slong: no problem at all | 03:09 |
| slong | :D | 03:09 |
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| loquacities | best of luck :) | 03:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 18 15:00:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hello everyone | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: ping | 15:00 |
| BobBall | hello | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic XenServer CI | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "XenServer CI (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:01 | |
| BobBall | I was already here | 15:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, should have said hello rather than ping | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, how the CI this last week | 15:01 |
| BobBall | annoying... | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | failed to do any more work on that from my side I am afraid | 15:01 |
| BobBall | a change merged to break everything | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh joy | 15:01 |
| BobBall | and I mean _everything_ | 15:02 |
| BobBall | nova change to deprecate config options | 15:02 |
| BobBall | first run through the CI said "this is broken", second run (a recheck after jenkins failure) hit a CI issue so the patch was pushed through and broke all our jobs | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | which patch? | 15:03 |
| BobBall | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/I346ee0248c03e60716bd7dc4a5ee4493610867cb,n,z | 15:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | right, well I guess devstack never got moved to the new names | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | arse | 15:04 |
| BobBall | I know | 15:04 |
| BobBall | I fixed it | 15:05 |
| BobBall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100174/ | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | are we back working now? | 15:05 |
| BobBall | it's just very frustrating that the failure was there in the logs but it was ignored (at least partly because of the CI failure) | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | yeah | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hmm, OK | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, it happens I guess | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any more news on that front? | 15:07 |
| BobBall | not that I can think of ATM | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | did you get those fixes in we spoke about relating to re-creating the image? | 15:08 |
| BobBall | I was trying to test that today | 15:08 |
| BobBall | but it's not working for some reason | 15:08 |
| BobBall | so I have to wait for the overnight image rebuild to see if it works | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, OK, thanks for digging into that | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:09 | |
| johnthetubaguy | I am looking at an interesting snapshot bug | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | but not really much else to report right now | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more for any more? | 15:09 |
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| BobBall | link to the bug would be useful for the minutes | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, just hunting | 15:10 |
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| BobBall | There is some interesting stuff with Intel, TXT and Mystery Hill going on ATM | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100880/ | 15:10 |
| BobBall | Primarily developed by Intel | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1331440 | 15:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1331440 in nova "xenapi: failed snapshots never deleted" [Medium,In progress] | 15:11 |
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| BobBall | and waiting for a barbican BP to land before any real work can be done / design considered within nova | 15:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hmm, I remember seeing some TXT plans a little while ago | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | whats your plan there? | 15:11 |
| BobBall | Well XS already supports TXT | 15:12 |
| BobBall | so it's more a question of the openstack portion | 15:12 |
| BobBall | which would only need some minor changes to things like the glance plugin to decrypt a vm image when it's downloaded | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, its the testing for this stuff that worries me, needs hardware I guess | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | without a virtual TXT | 15:13 |
| BobBall | 100% hardware yes | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, good to track | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | if only to make sure its not done in a way that locks out XenServer | 15:13 |
| BobBall | no idea what would be needed to get a virtual TPM for testing in openstack stylee | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | I know cloud stack did something there already | 15:13 |
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| BobBall | the who what now? I know nothing about the 'other' stack :) | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, are we all done then? | 15:14 |
| BobBall | indeed | 15:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, thanks BobBall | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:15 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 18 15:15:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-06-18-15.00.html | 15:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-06-18-15.00.txt | 15:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-06-18-15.00.log.html | 15:15 |
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| annegent_ | hey johnthetubaguy and BobBall just wanted to be sure you saw the ML post from Tom about Xen docs: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/038092.html | 15:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | annegent_: yeah, thanks, it really does need some work, just no one has stepped up yet | 15:18 |
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| annegent_ | johnthetubaguy: let's keep reaching out to people then | 15:20 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 18 16:02:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | Hey everyone | 16:02 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:02 |
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| kmartin | hello | 16:02 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Happy Wednesday. | 16:02 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | morning | 16:02 |
| flip214_ | Hi | 16:02 |
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| jjacob512 | hello | 16:02 |
| eharney | hi | 16:02 |
| scottda | hi | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | we have a quick agenda today | 16:02 |
| jkremer | Hi: First time attendee here. | 16:03 |
| thingee | famous last words | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | jkremer: welcome | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: true | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | :/ | 16:03 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | #topic review day | 16:03 |
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| ameade | o/ | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | So lots of activity going on in terms of reviews | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | That is good news. | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | thanks to everyone that's carving out some time and helping out here | 16:04 |
| thingee | would it make sense to do a hangout again? | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I was hoping to keep it informal | 16:04 |
| * jungleboyj is looking the debug one right now and has been working on the Database change as well. | 16:04 | |
| jgriffith | Just raise awareness and get folks to do a few reviews | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | we've been pretty slack as of late in general | 16:04 |
| kmartin | thingee: if the review are being kept up on it's probably not needed | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | depending on what the queue looks like after today I'd like to consider a formal day next week | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | with a Google-Hangout | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | seem reasonable? | 16:05 |
| akerr | +1 | 16:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Sounds reasonable. | 16:05 |
| ameade | +1 | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | alright... so I just wanted to make sure we raised awareness on the topic | 16:05 |
| flip214_ | does the bot count ±1 votes, too? | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | and send a plea to everyone here.... | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | Please, if you can set aside some time each day to do even just one or two reviews | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | that applies to EVERYONE | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | that would be great | 16:06 |
| glenng | jgriffith: I will try to do what I can. | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | core should be doing at least that | 16:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | just blueprints or SPECs also? | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | flip214_: what do you mean? | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | flip214_: ohhhh | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | flip214_: ignore the bot, core should just +2/A those | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | don't waste your time :) | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | Arkady_Kanevsky: code reviews | 16:07 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | Arkady_Kanevsky: good point... I'm mostly interested in whittling down code submissions today | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | Arkady_Kanevsky: in general though, sure.... specs as well. Input is always welcome | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | just today I want to focus on our backlog of code submissions | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | any questions/concerns? | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | cool | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | thanks for everyone that's pitching in here today | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | #topic cinder meetup in FTC | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | I think Scott put together an etherpad for us: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/CinderMidCycleMeetupAug2014 | 16:09 |
| scottda | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/CinderMidCycleMeetupAug2014 | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | scottda: :) | 16:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | whole week meeting? | 16:10 |
| navneet | jgriffith: is it also going to be shared online on hangout? | 16:10 |
| scottda | Things are pretty set from this end for now. Chime in on the etherpad and let me know if I'm missing anything. | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | One thing I realized I should point out to folks.... Denver and particularly Fort Collins aren't exactly like the Bay area etc | 16:10 |
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| kmartin | I thought is was going to be three days | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | kmartin: it was :) | 16:10 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | from eitherpad - Cinder Mid-Cycle Meetup August 11-15th 2014 | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | so let's figure that out right now | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | full week is great for some folks traveling internationally ( DuncanT- ) | 16:11 |
| kmartin | tuesday to thursday? | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | but what about others? | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | kmartin: tuesday-thursday seems reasonable to me | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | allows people to NOT travel on the week-end | 16:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | tu-th good. traveling on Mond & Friday | 16:12 |
| navneet | jgriffith: whats the procedure for joining it remotely? | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | Anybody object to Tues - Thurs? | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: No, that would work great for me. | 16:12 |
| kmartin | DuncanT- can go dancing the other two days | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | navneet: We'll set up a hangout | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: That was what I had proposed to my management. | 16:13 |
| navneet | jgriffith: cool... | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | navneet: I'll proably bring an extra laptop just to setup/run a hangout with | 16:13 |
| kmartin | agree +1 on the days | 16:13 |
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| navneet | jgriffith: that would be gr8....thx | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | Ok... So the plan is Tues - Thurs | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | Note my points about things like public transportation | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | You don't want to take a cab from DIA to FTC | 16:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | rent a car. find a buddy to carpool | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | there are shuttles and car services but yes... | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | as Arkady_Kanevsky says... | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | rent a care and if you can coordinate carpool | 16:14 |
| glenng | Anybody know if the shuttle services that run during ski season still operate int eh summer? | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | If there is anyone that wanted to try and meet in DIA and get a ride I should be able to get a rental. | 16:15 |
| scottda | There are airport shuttles. | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | glenng: there is SuperShuttle | 16:15 |
| kmartin | http://www.supershuttle.com/Locations/DENAirportShuttleFortCollins.aspx | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: What is the address of the HP site? | 16:15 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | use etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/CinderMidCycleMeetupAug2014 for car pooling | 16:15 |
| scottda | See the etherpad for HP site google map | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: Thanks. | 16:15 |
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| scottda | Also, HP employees get a discount at the nearby Cambria suites. Let me know and I can try to block out some rooms (let me know about how many rooms) | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | ok... so we'll put more details together as we go along | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | but the meetup IS happening and we have dates and a location | 16:17 |
| jkremer | Will the meeting be useful for newbies? | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | a HUGE thanks to scottda for cooridinating this | 16:18 |
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| scottda | np. | 16:18 |
| glenng | jgriffith: +10 | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | jkremer: my crystal ball says "sure" :) | 16:18 |
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| jkremer | Cool I'll attend (since I live in CO anyway) | 16:18 |
| akerr | jgriffith: is there a proposed agenda? | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | jkremer: I would think so. Wish I had a summit or something like the meetup when I first started. | 16:18 |
| hemna | now if I can just get approval for travel | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | jkremer: oh... well then you should at least stop in for a day or so | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | hemna: you better, since we changed it specifically at your request! | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | and I had to reschedule a bunch of stuff as a result | 16:19 |
| hemna | yah...unfortunately it's out of my hands :) | 16:19 |
| * DuncanT- will come up for the week anyway, there are plenty of none-cinder folks in FC I need to meet | 16:19 | |
| hemna | err :( | 16:19 |
| hemna | bleh | 16:19 |
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| DuncanT- | (Soory I'm late ;-) ) | 16:19 |
| kmartin | scottda: can you put the building # for the lobby that you want people to go into? | 16:20 |
| navneet | jgriffith: you stay in CO too....some space in ur farmhouse :) | 16:20 |
| hemna | I'm hoping I get to go....as I might head to Montana after to get some fly fishing in. | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | hemna: ummm... maybe you should've just responded "can't go" instead | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | but too late now | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | hemna: bring your fly-rod.... I'll take you to a spot here | 16:20 |
| hemna | sweet! | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | Welcome to the party DuncanT- | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | and I'll drive up to Missoula with you after :) | 16:20 |
| scottda | kmartin: will do | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | Ok... | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | more details to come but we've got things lined up | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | #topic seperating control and data planes in drivers | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | So I had hoped to share some code today | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | but I've got some other things going on | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | I've almost got this *done* | 16:21 |
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| flip214 | is that the " Separation of Connectors from Driver/Device Interface (status update) [jdg] " point now? | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | There's going to be a bunch of cleanup in drivers and in the unit tests though | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | flip214: yes | 16:22 |
| flip214 | I'm asking because the wiki title made me think about splitting up drivers | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | is everybody clear on what that means? | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | flip214: ok... there's my answer | 16:22 |
| flip214 | but I don't really know about "separating control and data planes" | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | so... one of the problems I see in our current architecture | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | control path and data path are intertwined | 16:23 |
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| flip214 | IIUC you want to move the iSCSI connector out of the LVM driver interface, right? | 16:23 |
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| flip214 | as an example | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | for example you have things like driver-->iSCSIDriver--->LVMiSCSIDriver etc etc | 16:23 |
| akerr | jgriffith: is this not brick? | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | flip214: yes | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | akerr: it was supposed to be but IMO brick has pretty much failed and is dead :( | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | akerr: but.... | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | more to the point.... | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | if you look at what we have today... it's a mess | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | We have some iscsi/data-path things being done in driver.py | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | some in volume/iscsi.py | 16:24 |
| navneet | jgriffith: brick is dead means....some other component to replace? | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | and yet more in brick/iscis | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | navneet: slowwww down now :) | 16:24 |
| flip214 | um. that's quick important to me, because now I have to re-think about the layering inbetween - replication driver (LVM - DRBD - iSCSI) | 16:24 |
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| navneet | ;-) | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | so what I'm working on is seperating the connection code from the drivers completely | 16:25 |
| flip214 | so yes, having some code to look at would be quite nice ... | 16:25 |
| DuncanT- | navneet: Brick is what it is, this new stuff probably isn't going into brick | 16:25 |
| bswartz | I'm surprised to hear about the death of brick | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: hold on... let's not get carried away | 16:25 |
| navneet | DuncanT-:interesting | 16:25 |
| * DuncanT- is far from convinced brick is dead, brick just didn't turn out to be what was originally planned for it.... IMO | 16:25 | |
| bswartz | jgriffith: you were the one that said it :-p | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | what I meant by that was that it never really turned into anything | 16:26 |
| eharney | i think we need a blueprint somewhere explaining some of this | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | and frankly it added some complexity that I hadn't intended or foreseen | 16:26 |
| hemna | DuncanT-, well I disagree with that. the initiator connector stuff is good and is needed by cinder and nova | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | good idea, bad outcome | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: DuncanT- ok... don't worry | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | first patch to seperate things brick will still be there and will get "more" items | 16:27 |
| hemna | The target side of brick hasn't panned out yet | 16:27 |
| hemna | that I agree with. | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | right now tgt-helper functions are spread out in 3 places | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | in other words brick was never really "finished" | 16:27 |
| hemna | jgriffith, agreed. | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | anyway... I'll get code up this week | 16:27 |
| DuncanT- | hemna: There's lots of good stuff in brick, just not the stuff that was planned back when we floated the concept | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | it'll be easier to talk to | 16:27 |
| hemna | jgriffith, very cool. Looking forward to it. | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | and the main thing is I'm trying to make sure there's backward compatability | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | and that upgrades aren't broken | 16:28 |
| navneet | DuncanT-, jgriffith: do we have spec or design somewhr? or some modifications to brick | 16:28 |
| flip214 | jgriffith: could you share some git URL for your work, so that I can look at what you're doing? | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | The idea is that one "should" be able to do things like: | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | have LVM as a backend device | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | and EASILY configure what protocol to use with it | 16:28 |
| hemna | jgriffith, I'm curious/interested in the FC side of things, especially since I've kinda removed most concepts of FC in the volume manager and VolumeDriver now with my latest patch | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | iscsi, fibre, direct etc | 16:29 |
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| jgriffith | and add things in the future if needed like infiniband or whatever | 16:29 |
| hemna | very cool | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | To be clear I'm not proposing infiniband... just an example | 16:29 |
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| navneet | hemna: shouldn't FC also be part of the connector component? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | hemna: yeah, that's why I pinged you about this last week | 16:30 |
| eharney | for this new code, just make sure we have something (spec/blueprint) describing the direction and goal, relation to brick, etc | 16:30 |
| hemna | navneet, yes it should | 16:30 |
| flip214 | so, less inheritance in the code? | 16:30 |
| thingee | jgriffith: rtslib takes care of management of these things pretty well. | 16:30 |
| hemna | navneet, there is already a connector in brick for FC | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | eharney: understood | 16:30 |
| flip214 | and more of "take this backend device, and use its functins" | 16:30 |
| flip214 | *functions | 16:30 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: wanted to make sure I actually had folks on board and clear on the goal before that | 16:30 |
| navneet | hemna: ok...so code move is on your cards | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Is the expectation that all drivers move to this approach by the end of Juno or are you flexible on that timing? | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | eharney: and there is a bp for this | 16:30 |
| flip214 | a connector HAS A backend, and there won't be so many classes that ARE lvm and iscsi. | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: that's going to depend | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: I'm going to try and actually fix that myself but we'll see how it goes | 16:31 |
| thingee | jgriffith: have you considered using rtslib as an interface for the different connectors? | 16:31 |
| hemna | flip214, well, I think we'll still have driver inheritance, just not broken inheritance like we have now. | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: I certainly don't intend to just "break" everybody's driver. that would be stupid | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: that's a future topic IMO | 16:31 |
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| eharney | thingee: fwiw one stumbling point w/ rtslib at the moment is that it requires the library to run as root | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I don't want to force any one solution right now | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | thingee: for now I just want to seperate the code | 16:32 |
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| hemna | rtslib could just be another connector | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | have a logical implementation that's actually maintainable and works | 16:32 |
| flip214 | +1 to maintainable ;) | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | hemna: yeah... and that's the idea for what I'm doing currently | 16:32 |
| thingee | hemna: well rtslib provides an interface for iscsi, fc, infraband, etc | 16:32 |
| thingee | it wouldn't be a connector imo | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | thingee: yeah, which is coool.... | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Right, I knew that backwards compatibility was planned but just wondering if there is an expected time frame for people to move. | 16:32 |
| navneet | jgriffith: so many places we need to implement this principle | 16:32 |
| navneet | maintainable | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | thingee: but I'm not willing to say you "have to" use rtslib | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Or are you thinking that drives may not need to make a change? | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | at least not right now | 16:33 |
| hemna | thingee, yup, but there is no harm in creating an rtslib connector. | 16:33 |
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| thingee | imo a connector is the fabric | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | navneet: yeah, but this is one of the worst areas currently IMO | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | navneet: try following things like the attach process today | 16:33 |
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| navneet | jgriffith: why dont we identify the areas and post it somewhr | 16:33 |
| hemna | heh | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | particularly with the LVM driver | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | it's henous | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | navneet: go ahead | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | anyway... | 16:34 |
| navneet | jgriffith: ll post and catch DuncanT- :) | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | I'll get my prototype code up here in the next day or two and let everyone know when it's up | 16:34 |
| flip214 | thanks | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | I don't think there should be any objectsion to the idea | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | impl maybe... but not the concept | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | #topic 3'rd party CI updates | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | Ok... so we're in J-2 | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | not seeing any 3'rd party CI testing in the reviews (including my own) | 16:35 |
| navneet | jgriffith: we are facing connectivity issues...working on it | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | Just want to make sure folks are in fact keeping in mind we MUST do this for J-2 | 16:35 |
| xyang1 | Have anyone successfully setup the whole thing? | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | navneet: yeah, akerr filled me in on the joys yesterday | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | navneet: I have the same problem on my side ;) | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: I've succesfully set it up and run | 16:36 |
| akerr | jgriffith, navneet: i think I *might* know what the issue is, but i'll take it offline | 16:36 |
| navneet | jgriffith: :) ...I am not alone...thanks God | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: I haven't succesfully got my voting to work | 16:36 |
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| xyang1 | jgriffith: can you get events? | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: yes | 16:36 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: so you don't have firewall issue? | 16:37 |
| hemna | we are blocked on an internal IT request currently | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: no | 16:37 |
| hemna | suppose to be resolved at the end of June. :( | 16:37 |
| * hemna waits for HPIT | 16:37 | |
| xyang1 | we had big problems with IT:( | 16:37 |
| DuncanT- | You can use corkscrew or similar to get the events through most https proxies.... | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | so you folks can't get "out" ? | 16:37 |
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| xyang1 | we requested unblocking the ports, but they are very concerned | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | Your firewall blocks you going out to OpenStack Infra? That sucks | 16:38 |
| xyang1 | git review is blocked | 16:38 |
| hemna | yah there is a port that has to get opened up for us to do it. | 16:38 |
| hemna | there are other projects inside of HP that need it as well. | 16:38 |
| xyang1 | since this is in a lab, not someone's laptop, they are concerned that noone is monitoring this | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | Ok... sounds like a lot of challenges (which I suspected) | 16:38 |
| hemna | our fw sucks for many reasons. | 16:38 |
| DuncanT- | hemna: +1million | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | We have hardware and some of the other pieces in place. Looking for resource to get everything set up. | 16:39 |
| clarkb | hemna: you can proxy... | 16:39 |
| hemna | I can see if corkscrew helps us at all in this situation, but I'm not sure it does. I use it for git review submissions locally | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | proxy from your lab to your laptop to gerrit :) | 16:39 |
| bswartz | #link http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2007-11-16/ | 16:39 |
| clarkb | the fw being opened is more of a convenince thing | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | and hope you don't get fired | 16:39 |
| xyang1 | about publishing logs, where to do that? | 16:39 |
| hemna | hehe | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | clarkb: ahh.. you have an alternate | 16:39 |
| hemna | yah, I've done ssh tunnels like that before.... | 16:39 |
| hemna | sshhh | 16:39 |
| clarkb | you don't even need an ssh tunnel | 16:39 |
| navneet | hemna: was thinking tunnelling ;-) | 16:40 |
| xyang1 | Does it only support "scp" when publishing logs? | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | clarkb: is there a documented alternative for these folks? | 16:40 |
| akerr | hemna: the corkscrew is for opening the bottle to drown your sorrows | 16:40 |
| hemna | :) | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | akerr: +2 | 16:41 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: if we don't use nodepool, just restart slave node after runs, is that acceptable? | 16:41 |
| clarkb | jgriffith: yes iirc therea re internal docs for how to talk to gerrit | 16:41 |
| DuncanT- | hemna: You can absolutely use corkscrew to get a CI working... I just don't know where to plug it into the CI-in-a-box stuff | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | clarkb: great.. thanks | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | clarkb: I'll take another look there later | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: xyang1 let's see if the official OpenStack docs can solve this for us | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | or ... you :) | 16:42 |
| hemna | heh ok. | 16:42 |
| clarkb | well not the official docs | 16:42 |
| clarkb | we can't support everyones flavor of ridiculousness upstream :) | 16:42 |
| clarkb | but there are knwon workarounds at hp | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | clarkb: haha... good point. I call them "official" as they live on OpenStack web-servers | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | clarkb: haha | 16:42 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: so we can run it by restarting slaves, but it doesn't look like we can get nodepool setup on time to meet the J-2 deadline:( | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: IMO that's ok | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: node-pool isn't a requirement. Just running against patch submissions | 16:43 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: that's a relief. | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: I have the same problem of needing to restart slaves | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | for now I'm just living with that | 16:44 |
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| jgriffith | although I can't figure out *why* I need to restart them | 16:44 |
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| jgriffith | doing things like "clean.sh" etc doesn't work either | 16:44 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: another question is whether we can filter out some commits. I mean there are about 10-20 commits every day, each run taks > 1 hour. if we run against each commit, it will choke up the system | 16:44 |
| xyang1 | s/taks/takes | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: I think we agreed you only have to run against cinder commits | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | and yes, everybody felt you should run against all fo them | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | of | 16:45 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: 10-20 cinder commits a day | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | yep | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | thats' what we all discussed in ATL | 16:46 |
| navneet | xyang1: nodepool helps here | 16:46 |
| e0ne_ | is any list of planned 3rd party CIs available? i'm new in cinder and working on integrating testing with ceph as beckend | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | e0ne_: nope | 16:46 |
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| xyang1 | navneet: we can't have nodepool setup on time for J-2:( | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | e0ne_: but somebody is going to need to pick up things like Ceph/RBD, Gluster, NFS etc | 16:46 |
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| akerr | jgriffith: NetApp plans to pick up generic NFS | 16:46 |
| e0ne | i hope, i'll do it for juno-2. | 16:46 |
| navneet | xyang1: you can set it in J3...and minimize time later on | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | akerr: yay! | 16:47 |
| xyang1 | navneet: sure, that is our long term plan | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | akerr: I'll start a wiki page and we can track this sort of thing | 16:47 |
| DuncanT- | akker: Kudos | 16:47 |
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| e0ne | jgriffith: great! i'm already working on ceph testing using https://review.openstack.org/65113 | 16:47 |
| hemna | nice | 16:47 |
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| akerr | jgriffith: eventually we'd like to see it migrate to the gate, but we can cover for now 😊 | 16:48 |
| xyang1 | navneet: have you figured out where to publish logs | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: Ohh.. you're Sebastien! Nice to meet you :) | 16:48 |
| e0ne | nope, I'm Ivan:) | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | Oh | 16:48 |
| navneet | xyang1: you will need a publicly accessible host | 16:48 |
| navneet | scp working | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | well... then "I'm confused" :) | 16:49 |
| e0ne | i just using Sebastien's patch | 16:49 |
| xyang1 | navneet: are you hosting it inside your company? | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: hehe... cool | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | ok... | 16:49 |
| navneet | xyang1: thats the plan right now | 16:49 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:49 |
| DuncanT- | xyang1: We've got a nice public cloud if it helps ;-) | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | we've got a lot of work and figuring out to do here obviously | 16:49 |
| xyang1 | DuncanT-: :) | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | let's keep it on a weekly agenda to get updates | 16:49 |
| akerr | there's always s3 | 16:50 |
| navneet | Duncant-: ll need it too...is it free? | 16:50 |
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| jungleboyj | xyang1: IBM has a good one as well. ;-) | 16:50 |
| xyang1 | DuncanT-: does that work with scp? | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | if we aren't making much progress by next week let's come up with some action plans to get this going | 16:50 |
| hemna | IBM does the cloud? | 16:50 |
| hemna | :P | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | public clouds do NO good here | 16:50 |
| xyang1 | jungleboyj: softlayer? | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | but I suspect this was all sarcasim | 16:50 |
| DuncanT- | xyang1: Sure, spin up a webserver on a VM and scp into the public_html directory.... should work fine | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: :-p | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | sarcasm even | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | xyang1: Yes. | 16:50 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: where are you posting logs | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: my own personal AWS server | 16:51 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: Public clouds are a great place to post logs.... | 16:51 |
| hemna | So for FC CI, we haven't had a chance to test the PCI passthrough stuff yet. It's on our short list though. | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | sorry... I didn't realize you were just talking about logs | 16:51 |
| kmartin | xyang1 will Dunkin' Donuts host a machine for you? | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: yes... sorry, missed the context there | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: but HP ain't cheap :) | 16:51 |
| hemna | DuncanT-, I was actually going to fire up a vm in my HPCloud account to post our logs | 16:51 |
| xyang1 | kmartin: I should start working with them on that:) | 16:51 |
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| kmartin | xyang1: :) | 16:52 |
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| jgriffith | alright... we can all chat on this more in #openstack-dinder | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | cinder even | 16:52 |
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| jgriffith | One last thing I want to throw out there... | 16:52 |
| * jungleboyj likes openstack-dinder .... or openstack-dinner | 16:52 | |
| jgriffith | hemna: funny funny :) | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | #topic upcoming decisions | 16:52 |
| akerr | or openstack-tinder, the openstack dating site | 16:52 |
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| hemna | lol | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | akerr: LMAO | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | ok so there are two big things we need to decide upon soon | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | I don't want to debate them today or discuss them here | 16:53 |
| navneet | jgriffith: coming up with the etherpad for comparisions | 16:53 |
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| jgriffith | but I want to make sure EVERYBODY is researching and gathering facts | 16:53 |
| navneet | pools | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | as well as coming up with ideas | 16:53 |
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| jungleboyj | akerr: :-) | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | item 1: SDS abstraction layers as drivers in Cinder | 16:54 |
| navneet | jgriffith: whats the way forward...whr do I post the link? | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | This is not JUST EMC's VIPR product | 16:54 |
| hemna | navneet, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98715/ I'm rooting for that one. | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | there are at least 1/2 a dozen of these types of solutions waiting behind VIPR | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | they all do the same sort of thing | 16:54 |
| navneet | hemna: I kow...I see problems with it | 16:55 |
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| navneet | know | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | do some research please, read up on what these solutions do. How they fit in OpenStack/Cinder | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | ok.... | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | seems I've lost everyone here | 16:55 |
| hemna | what's #2? | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:55 |
| kmartin | still here | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | #2 is the pools implementations | 16:55 |
| navneet | jgriffith: etherpad is coming up....when do we discuss over it togetjer* | 16:56 |
| navneet | *together | 16:56 |
| hemna | ah ok. navneet and I jumped the gun | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | I'll be providing my input/opinion later this week | 16:56 |
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| guitarzan | jgriffith: one question | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to make a decision at next weeks meeting at the latest | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: sure | 16:56 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:56 |
| guitarzan | the thing about driver contributors having to contribute "core" code is a complete myth right? | 16:56 |
| navneet | jgriffith:hemna: before that wil everybody get chance to look at etherpad? | 16:56 |
| hemna | hopefully winston will be around to talk about his patch this week | 16:56 |
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| jgriffith | guitarzan: yeah... not sure where that came from exactly | 16:57 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: decision on SDS by next week as well? | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: it'd sure be nice | 16:57 |
| guitarzan | ok, cool | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: and it will get you a lot of karma | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | but it's not something we actually track and enforce | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | and I personally have no inention of doing so | 16:57 |
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| akerr | you can't improve perfection | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: I think that would be nice | 16:57 |
| DuncanT- | guitarzan: That's partly my fault... somebody took my 'I have higher expectations of of SDR driver authors than normal driver authors' and extrapolated in ways I didn’t foresee | 16:58 |
| flip214 | please send the etherpad link to the mailing list, so that it's not so easily missed | 16:58 |
| hemna | guitarzan, if driver maintainers just support and maintain their drivers every release, I think that's a win. | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Are you referring to the etherpads from the summit? | 16:58 |
| guitarzan | DuncanT-: ah, that's an interesting possibility | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT-: I think it was a combination of that, one of my blog posts and *other* stuff | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: huh? | 16:58 |
| DuncanT- | guitarzan: It has been my stated view since the summit | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | 2 minute warning | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: What etherpads are being referred to above? I am missing something. | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: navneet has proposed an etherpad to compare his pools solution to winstons | 16:59 |
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| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: navneet is going to post one about pools implementations | 16:59 |
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| navneet | jungleboyj: yep | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Oh, ok. Sorry. | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | is there an echo in here | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | is there an echo in here | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:59 |
| hemna | :) | 17:00 |
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| jungleboyj | :) | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | alright.... | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith | we're out of time | 17:00 |
| kmartin | navneet: please put a link to it on the agenda as well | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| DuncanT- | Time, gentlemaen, please | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 18 17:00:11 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-06-18-16.02.html | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | thanks everyone! | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-06-18-16.02.txt | 17:00 |
| navneet | kmartin: sure | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-06-18-16.02.log.html | 17:00 |
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| flip214 | thanks | 17:01 |
| tjones | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 18 17:01:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:01 |
| tjones | hi folks | 17:01 |
| arnaud | o/ | 17:01 |
| kirankv | Hi! | 17:01 |
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| mdbooth | hi | 17:02 |
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| browne | hi | 17:02 |
| tjones | ok so from our AI last time we were all going to review 2 patches to unblock some other work. no one (including me) has reviewed them | 17:02 |
| tjones | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59365/ | 17:03 |
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| tjones | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91005/ | 17:03 |
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| tjones | garyk: you around? | 17:03 |
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| tjones | hmmm.. without garyk my plan is not going to work. I was going to review them in this meeting | 17:04 |
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| garyk | hi | 17:04 |
| tjones | ah there you are | 17:04 |
| vuil | o/ | 17:04 |
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| mdbooth | Other people can review too :) | 17:04 |
| tjones | so i was saying no one (including me) has reviewed the 2 patches we wanted to get reviewed from last week | 17:04 |
| rgerganov | hi. I will be around for 15-20min | 17:05 |
| tjones | mdbooth: they are garyk patches so i wanted him here | 17:05 |
| mdbooth | Whoa, patch set 35 | 17:05 |
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| mdbooth | tjones: Is it worth discussing rgerganov's stuff first? | 17:05 |
| garyk | i am here | 17:05 |
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| tjones | ok let's pause this since rgerganov needs to drop off | 17:06 |
| tjones | and get back to it | 17:06 |
| tjones | rgerganov: you have stuff? | 17:06 |
| rgerganov | so I had updated the SPBM patch and tried to address some of the concerns that mdbooth brings into his api proposal | 17:06 |
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| tjones | link please? | 17:07 |
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| rgerganov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66666/ | 17:07 |
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| rgerganov | I am thinking to implement the same changes in oslo.vmware, that is separate Vim and Pbm | 17:08 |
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| tjones | we need to get john to remove -2. | 17:08 |
| garyk | tjones: the bp has not been approved | 17:08 |
| mdbooth | I like the patch | 17:09 |
| mdbooth | However... | 17:09 |
| garyk | i think that rado has a very nice direction | 17:09 |
| mdbooth | It's problematic | 17:09 |
| garyk | why? | 17:09 |
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| mdbooth | Because it changes Vim in Nova in a way which is incompatible with oslo.vmware | 17:09 |
| garyk | not really, it is inline (i think) | 17:09 |
| mdbooth | While we already have an outstanding patch to migrate to oslo.vmware | 17:09 |
| mdbooth | Which I am simultaneously proposing we substantially rewrite | 17:10 |
| mdbooth | So, in isolation I like it | 17:10 |
| mdbooth | In context, I think it's adding to a mess | 17:10 |
| garyk | i am not in favor of a rewrite at the moment. | 17:10 |
| garyk | i added my comments to the spe that you posted | 17:10 |
| mdbooth | Well, rgerganov is proposing a rewrite | 17:10 |
| garyk | i have yet to see if you addressed them | 17:10 |
| rgerganov | mdbooth, that is not true | 17:10 |
| mdbooth | That is, an incompatible api change | 17:10 |
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| rgerganov | how is using oslo.vmware right now? | 17:11 |
| mdbooth | I don't think it's worth making multiple incompatible api changes | 17:11 |
| rgerganov | s/how/who | 17:11 |
| mdbooth | rgerganov: glance, I believe | 17:11 |
| tjones | rgerganov: cinder and glance both | 17:11 |
| * mdbooth is at home and doesn't have a source tree to hand | 17:11 | |
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| rgerganov | I believe that we can still make API changes in oslo.vmware and increase the version | 17:12 |
| kirankv | I think ceilometer has already started to use oslo.vmware | 17:12 |
| mdbooth | rgerganov: I'm in favour of api changes in oslo.vmware :) | 17:12 |
| mdbooth | We just need to coordinate | 17:12 |
| mdbooth | I'm against piecemeal changes | 17:13 |
| arnaud | mdbooth, if you have suggestions for oslo.vmware, we have a GSoC intern who is looking at it | 17:13 |
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| mdbooth | arnaud: I put out a bp last week for discussion | 17:13 |
| arnaud | link? | 17:13 |
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| vuil | https://review.openstack.org/99952 | 17:14 |
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| arnaud | ty | 17:14 |
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| tjones | lets finish up the spbm discussion before moving on to mdbooth bp. plus we need to get the spec approved. | 17:15 |
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| mdbooth | If we're going to refactor Vim and PBM, I want session transactions, sane error handling and the death of invoke_api/_call_method() :) | 17:16 |
| mdbooth | tjones: Ok, but this was rgerganov's concern | 17:16 |
| tjones | ah ok | 17:16 |
| rgerganov | I suggest to do incremental changes in oslo.vmware | 17:16 |
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| arnaud | +1 rgerganov | 17:16 |
| rgerganov | I definitely want to separate Vim and Pbm | 17:16 |
| mdbooth | Consider what that means, though | 17:17 |
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| mdbooth | Every incompatible incremental change now requires coordination with multiple projects | 17:17 |
| mdbooth | Every one requires a flag day | 17:17 |
| mdbooth | You might as well just fix it and have a single flag day | 17:17 |
| mdbooth | It's not a large amount of work | 17:17 |
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| arnaud | you can fix it without modifying the APIs directly | 17:18 |
| mdbooth | The only reason we don't just Get It Done(TM) is that it'll take donkey's years in review | 17:18 |
| arnaud | and have the flag day later | 17:18 |
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| arnaud | you don't have an early flag day and then realize | 17:18 |
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| garyk | i do not following regarding the flag day. theinetgartion should just be a bump on the oslo.version | 17:20 |
| garyk | what am i missing | 17:20 |
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| rgerganov | garyk, that is my understanding as well | 17:20 |
| garyk | theinetgartion => integration | 17:20 |
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| mdbooth | Bumping oslo.version and updating all the code which uses it | 17:20 |
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| garyk | but that is in one patch | 17:21 |
| garyk | 'atomic' | 17:21 |
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| arnaud | hmm no it's a patch per project using it | 17:21 |
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| mdbooth | it's a patch per project, per update | 17:21 |
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| garyk | but that is atomic per project. | 17:22 |
| mdbooth | per project, per update | 17:22 |
| tjones | mdbooth: i think your concern is with the number of *incompatible* changes. as rgerganov said incremental changes | 17:22 |
| garyk | that is how it is done with oslo changes | 17:22 |
| garyk | say for example oslo messaging | 17:22 |
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| garyk | the oslo code always needs to be backward compatible | 17:23 |
| mdbooth | tjones: Right. The current implementation is quite a mess, though. There is very little you can fix in a backwards compatible way. | 17:23 |
| mdbooth | e.g. rgerganov's simple refactoring breaks it | 17:23 |
| tjones | lets try to get to a plan in the next 7 minutes as we have other stuff needing discussion. | 17:24 |
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| rgerganov | mdbooth, I am not sure that my change is API breaking for oslo.vmware | 17:24 |
| mdbooth | How about we agree to actively discuss it on the list during the week? | 17:24 |
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| arnaud | mdbooth, the way I see it, is you write a totally new library and for all of the existings functions you change the implementation to call the new stuff | 17:24 |
| arnaud | temporarily | 17:24 |
| mdbooth | arnaud: Right. That's in my proposal, too. | 17:25 |
| arnaud | ok | 17:25 |
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| tjones | im not seeing how rgerganov breaks stuff either but we are running out of time for this topic | 17:28 |
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| garyk | how about we set a time tomorrow to discuss this on the vwware channel? | 17:28 |
| tjones | shall we agree to continue on the ML this week on this? | 17:28 |
| rgerganov | garyk, +1 | 17:28 |
| tjones | good idea garyk. shall you propose a time? | 17:29 |
| mdbooth | tjones: See 2 lines changes in volumeops and vmops | 17:29 |
| mdbooth | +1 | 17:29 |
| garyk | we can try this time tomorrow unless you guys cab do a little eralier | 17:29 |
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| mdbooth | I can't do this time tomorrow | 17:29 |
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| mdbooth | How early can we go? | 17:30 |
| tjones | earlier is fine | 17:30 |
| mdbooth | 2 hours earlier would be fantastic | 17:30 |
| tjones | 9am PST | 17:30 |
| tjones | 5pm UTC | 17:30 |
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| mdbooth | tjones: Works for me | 17:31 |
| garyk | cool | 17:31 |
| tjones | #action discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66666/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99952/1 tomorrow in openstack-vmware at 4PM UTC (that is 8am PST) | 17:31 |
| tjones | ok lets go to approved BP | 17:31 |
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| tjones | vui - how's it going? | 17:31 |
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| vuil | fine. Got some good comments re: earlier patches in the refactor review chain. | 17:32 |
| vuil | I am updating/rebasing the works | 17:32 |
| vuil | rinse and repeat from there | 17:32 |
| tjones | great - so moving along | 17:32 |
| tjones | the 2 reviews we needed to get to (from last time) still need to be reviewed. I don't want to do it here due to time, but they are . | 17:33 |
| garyk | as long as you are saving water. that is what is importnat | 17:33 |
| tjones | #action review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59365/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91005/ | 17:33 |
| tjones | that is blocking hotpug | 17:34 |
| tjones | #topic BP in review | 17:34 |
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| garyk | i tried to break them into little ones .... | 17:34 |
| garyk | one needs to be rebased - will do tomorrow morning | 17:34 |
| tjones | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova-specs+message:vmware,n,z | 17:34 |
| tjones | anyone have a BP to discuss? | 17:34 |
| tjones | looks like we lost kiran, but his spec is getting closer | 17:35 |
| kirankv | i got reviews last week after this meeting and have addressed them, so if reviewers can check them it would help | 17:35 |
| tjones | ah there you are | 17:35 |
| tjones | #action review https://review.openstack.org/84662 | 17:36 |
| tjones | kirankv: what about https://review.openstack.org/98704 | 17:36 |
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| kirankv | tjones: https://review.openstack.org/98704 is the one to go first | 17:37 |
| tjones | ok good | 17:37 |
| mdbooth | Fun! That has inter-nova locking implications. | 17:37 |
| tjones | ok if no more BP discussion?? we can move on | 17:37 |
| KanagarajM | I have following bug patches https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99623 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92782/ | 17:37 |
| tjones | #topic bugs | 17:38 |
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| kirankv | the other one nova core has concerns of compute looking into datastores of another compute | 17:38 |
| tjones | #undo | 17:38 |
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| tjones | lets wait a sec before bugs | 17:38 |
| tjones | ok you mean the 2nd on has concens, not the 1st right? | 17:38 |
| mdbooth | tjones: Copy from another nova | 17:39 |
| kirankv | so if https://review.openstack.org/98704 can get reviewed that would be goof | 17:39 |
| mdbooth | Haven't looked at the patch, btw | 17:39 |
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| * mdbooth is making assumptions | 17:39 | |
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| tjones | ok good we can focus on https://review.openstack.org/98704 | 17:39 |
| tjones | #topic bugs | 17:39 |
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| garyk | KanagarajM: thanks for addressing the comments. I have some minor ones to add. | 17:39 |
| kirankv | ok thanks | 17:39 |
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| KanagarajM | sure Gary. thanks. | 17:40 |
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| tjones | any other bugs? | 17:41 |
| KanagarajM | there is a concern on timeout value used | 17:41 |
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| arnaud | I have a chain of 3 patches for the iSCSI stuff | 17:42 |
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| mdbooth | The iSCSI one is still open. arnaud I started reviewing your patches, btw, but I haven't finished yet | 17:42 |
| KanagarajM | so I would like to finalize the time out here | 17:42 |
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| mdbooth | I was going to ask, though, that you rebase them on top of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99370/ | 17:42 |
| arnaud | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97612/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100379/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100778/ | 17:42 |
| mdbooth | Again, no point in stomping on each other | 17:42 |
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| arnaud | mdbooth, this is making some tradeoff but I think this is fine | 17:43 |
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| arnaud | mdbooth, we discussed with Vui the fact | 17:44 |
| tjones | KanagarajM: so you want to timeout after 7200 seconds to be consistent with cinder? | 17:44 |
| arnaud | that if the compute node dies when we remove the targets | 17:44 |
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| arnaud | the target will never be removed | 17:44 |
| arnaud | on a steady system: this should not happen, and if this happen, I don't think this is the end of the world | 17:45 |
| KanagarajM | yes that was the fact I followed | 17:45 |
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| kirankv | KanagrajM: It should be left to the earlier default and when VMFS cinder driver is used it should be set to 7200 in the conf | 17:45 |
| garyk | kirankv: KanagarajM: yes, 180 sounds more reasonable | 17:45 |
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| mdbooth | arnaud: I've only looked at the first patch so far, and I haven't finished with that yet | 17:46 |
| mdbooth | I think the meat is in the second patch, right? | 17:46 |
| arnaud | right | 17:47 |
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| mdbooth | I think that as long as we don't have the respawning target problem it should be acceptable | 17:47 |
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| arnaud | anyway it will take some time. I asked Vui to look at it too | 17:48 |
| mdbooth | i.e. that if a target exists anywhere it will exist everywhere, and the only way to rid yourself of it is to delete it everywhere before the refresh job runs | 17:48 |
| vuil | having gotten around to, but will, promise :-) | 17:48 |
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| mdbooth | I take your point that it may not be worth spending a lot of time on an edge case | 17:48 |
| mdbooth | arnaud: I will review them all tomorrow | 17:48 |
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| arnaud | ok awesome! thanks a lot mdbooth | 17:49 |
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| tjones | KanagarajM: you ok with overridding the default if the VMFS driver is used? | 17:49 |
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| KanagarajM | I will set to 180 seconds as default in the code | 17:49 |
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| tjones | ok any other bugs? | 17:50 |
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| mdbooth | arnaud: How about the rebase? Principal change is a refactor to consolidate volumeops and volume_util | 17:50 |
| KanagarajM | I have another one | 17:50 |
| tjones | KanagarajM: ok | 17:50 |
| mdbooth | arnaud: However, I don't expect that to affect the review in any substantive way | 17:50 |
| arnaud | mdbooth, I will look at that after the meeting | 17:50 |
| mdbooth | It's just code motion | 17:50 |
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| garyk | i say ship it :) | 17:51 |
| tjones | lol | 17:51 |
| tjones | KanagarajM: what was your other one? | 17:51 |
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| KanagarajM | vc driver breaks instances.hypervisor_hostname value https://review.openstack.org/99623 | 17:52 |
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| mdbooth | Nasty | 17:53 |
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| mdbooth | Surprised they have the same morefs | 17:53 |
| garyk | that is why the uuid was suggested | 17:54 |
| vuil | morefs typically just grows in monotonically increasing numeric values | 17:54 |
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| kirankv | KanagrajM: Id rather put the uuid at the end than in between, makes a better reading | 17:54 |
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| vuil | *thinking about icehouse->juno upgrade implications" | 17:54 |
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| mdbooth | Ah, different centers | 17:55 |
| garyk | somewhat related - at the summit we were asked to drop the nodename support (multi cluster support). i am looking into that | 17:55 |
| kirankv | vuil: it is handles by updating the hostname | 17:55 |
| vuil | mdbooth yep | 17:55 |
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| mdbooth | vuil: Why not an upgrade job? | 17:55 |
| KanagarajM | I tried the icehouse to Juno for an instance | 17:55 |
| KanagarajM | and worked properly | 17:55 |
| kirankv | garyk: do you have a spec for that? | 17:56 |
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| garyk | kirankv: i am in the process of drafting a mail. | 17:56 |
| garyk | i'll shoot it past you first as you did this work | 17:56 |
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| KanagarajM | the normalize_nodename method take care of it | 17:56 |
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| kirankv | garyk: thanks | 17:57 |
| vuil | mdbooth: sounds like it is handled in the patch re: upgrade, will look at it further | 17:57 |
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| mdbooth | vuil: Sounds like removing multi cluster makes this go away | 17:57 |
| kirankv | mdbooth: this is an edge case, the user has to create the same named clusters in the same order to hit the bug | 17:57 |
| mdbooth | i.e. what garyk said | 17:57 |
| tjones | ok 3 minutes - apart from the ordering of displayname/uuid - any other issues? | 17:58 |
| garyk | i think that the normalize will help, but need to look at it in more detail | 17:58 |
| KanagarajM | yes but I see this bug in multiple test env | 17:58 |
| vuil | I can see it happening a lot in CI type envs | 17:58 |
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| garyk | yeah, the times for the football games are ridiculous. tjones can you please escalate to management | 17:58 |
| tjones | clearly this needs to be fixed - but need to make sure it doesn't break other htings | 17:59 |
| mdbooth | lol | 17:59 |
| tjones | lol | 17:59 |
| tjones | garyk: you mean soccer? :-D | 17:59 |
| garyk | yeah. | 17:59 |
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| kirankv | agree gary | 17:59 |
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| mdbooth | tjones: One to throw over the wall and run away: given that we have no core reviewers, could we do with nominating our own tech lead? | 18:00 |
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| tjones | ok 1 minute for #open discussion | 18:00 |
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| tjones | lets move over to openstack-vmware for that discussion | 18:00 |
| mdbooth | Not enough time to discuss, but one to mull for next time, maybe? | 18:00 |
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| tjones | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| mdbooth | and that's hardly pressing | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 18 18:00:43 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-06-18-17.01.html | 18:00 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 18 19:01:15 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:01 |
| notmyname | who's here? | 19:01 |
| elambert | o/ | 19:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:01 |
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| gvernik | hello | 19:01 |
| peluse_ | yo | 19:01 |
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| acoles | here | 19:02 |
| torgomatic | . | 19:02 |
| tdasilva | hi | 19:02 |
| notmyname | portante said he'd be late. and creiht has to leave early | 19:02 |
| notmyname | this week, as normal for recent meetings, we gotta talk abou tstorage policies. but I hope this is the last meeting to ask when it will be merged | 19:03 |
| notmyname | #topic storage policy status | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | we've had the patches proposed to master for quite a while now | 19:03 |
| notmyname | and a freeze on other stuff landing | 19:03 |
| notmyname | but it's getting to be "too long" to keep at it much longer | 19:03 |
| cutforth | here | 19:04 |
| creiht | .. | 19:04 |
| notmyname | so there is a thought of "just merge it" unless there is a serious obvious flaw and the iterate in QA and later | 19:04 |
| notmyname | I'm not sure I have a specific question there. what are everyone's thoughts on the state of things? | 19:05 |
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| torgomatic | seems to me like it's close enough; I'm inclined to merge it and fix things as they come up | 19:05 |
| creiht | I agree | 19:06 |
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| torgomatic | I'm down to nitpicking stuff in tests at this point | 19:06 |
| zaitcev | Merging it allows for releases for wider distribution. | 19:06 |
| notmyname | with a Swift 2.0 release (after a 2 week RC period) once it lands in master? that's been the plan so far | 19:06 |
| zaitcev | That's what kernel's -rc releases were for | 19:06 |
| notmyname | and what I'd still like to do | 19:06 |
| peluse_ | and allows for easier tweaking | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | peluse_: ya, I think that's important | 19:07 |
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| clayg | weeeee - i was doing comments | 19:07 |
| acoles | agree, except would like to have the timestamp format decided first. i think. | 19:07 |
| clayg | lost track of time | 19:07 |
| mattoliverau | Well the problem is, until its merged, there is a virtual dam so no other fixes can get through now, they've been scrutenized.. so I think its merge time and everybody get ready for fire fighting. | 19:07 |
| clayg | acoles: everyone has there pet-peeves ;) | 19:07 |
| notmyname | clayg: no worrie :-) | 19:07 |
| acoles | clayg: just saying :) | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | clayg: summary, and outstanding question, is: do we call it "good enough to merge" and then iterate in RC and later? | 19:09 |
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| clayg | notmyname: torgomatic's been putting his +2's out there where he thinks they're "good enough to merge" | 19:09 |
| clayg | notmyname: I think others have been as well | 19:10 |
| clayg | notmyname: I think everyone wants them to be good enough - but keeps finding stuff I mucked up? | 19:10 |
| peluse_ | bah | 19:10 |
| clayg | ... and typos and leftover prints ;) | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | right. of the things that you are tracking that are outstanding I think the most impactful one is about the timestamp format, right? | 19:11 |
| clayg | notmyname: yeah... and the list endpoints thing... and the header/literal thing - but that one really would be easier to do as a single patch on the chain rather than trying to interleave it | 19:11 |
| acoles | +1 for leaving the header/literal change for later | 19:12 |
| notmyname | ok. the header/literal change I agree would be better after the fact in one patch | 19:12 |
| clayg | and the timestamp change has been sort of a burden to manage since it touches so much - when I go to merge down a fixup into an earlier change I have to go and fix all the calls to the class that doesn't exist yet | 19:12 |
| peluse_ | +1 for the same on list endpoints, what's the impact there if that takes another week? | 19:12 |
| clayg | ok, well so on the timestamp format - has anyone besides acoles commented if they think 12 digits is the right number? | 19:13 |
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| notmyname | acoles: why 12 over 8? | 19:13 |
| clayg | or even if the value of not doing the deca-mirosecond bump is worth all the churn/risk of chaging how we resolve time!? | 19:13 |
| clayg | notmyname: it's BIGGER (obviously) | 19:14 |
| acoles | notmyname: well, i shot for 16 decimal and clayg met me half way | 19:14 |
| clayg | notmyname: since when is bigger not better!? | 19:14 |
| peluse_ | clayg: my only comment is that if we think it needs to be bigger do it now but I think its OK | 19:14 |
| notmyname | lol | 19:14 |
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| torgomatic | it's easier to have extra, but widening it later is hard, so I say use more | 19:14 |
| clayg | torgomatic: that sounds like a vote for 16! | 19:14 |
| torgomatic | screw it, we're using 256 digits | 19:14 |
| clayg | whoa, torgomatic went there | 19:14 |
| clayg | it's only bytes | 19:14 |
| acoles | torgomatic: clearly i lack ambition | 19:15 |
| torgomatic | :) | 19:15 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 19:15 |
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| clayg | I think the 64 digit number system was the way to go | 19:15 |
| notmyname | ok, timestamp bump to 16 | 19:15 |
| clayg | zomg | 19:15 |
| peluse_ | rock it | 19:15 |
| notmyname | clayg: and the list_endpoints change is to do the auto v1/v2 detection based on the underscore? | 19:16 |
| clayg | lets see... 10 billion objects times 17 bytes... | 19:16 |
| clayg | notmyname: it's to make it so the endpoitns response for the non-zero policies are useable | 19:16 |
| clayg | notmyname: for backwards compat; yeah I think you do something to v2 the response | 19:16 |
| tdasilva | clayg: there's also an outstanding comment from gholt on the two vector timestamp patch, it that a concern? | 19:16 |
| peluse_ | clayg: I can always take that for yo post merge if you want (LE) | 19:17 |
| clayg | tdasilva: I *think* he just wanted me to not be such a jackass in the commit talking about stuff that doesn't exist | 19:17 |
| clayg | tdasilva: but you know... he wouldn't ever *say* that | 19:17 |
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| notmyname | list_endpoints can wait until after a 2.0 release I think. or perhaps be finished in the RC period. we'll have another release after this one before the juno integrated release. it should be done by then | 19:18 |
| peluse_ | agree | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | also, pconstantine is on vacation this week, and I think we can ask him/zerovm to contribute for that | 19:19 |
| peluse_ | so just vector width pre-merge? | 19:19 |
| notmyname | peluse_: yes, that's my opinion | 19:19 |
| clayg | umm... so did we decide on 16 digits for the offset? seems like a lot for the only existing use case which only needs to represent like idk - maybe an integer as high as.... 12! | 19:19 |
| creiht | gotta run sorry | 19:19 |
| notmyname | creiht: thanks | 19:19 |
| clayg | notmyname: oh it's not that much code, and pconstantine's patches take forever to merge :P | 19:19 |
| clayg | notmyname: but i'm fine with going in post merge | 19:19 |
| torgomatic | I think acoles wanted real timestamps to fit in there, so 16 decimal would work, I think? | 19:20 |
| torgomatic | I mean, normalize_timestamp() only uses 15 decimal digits | 19:20 |
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| clayg | notmyname: but it's sorta weird how the list endpoints trys to support storage policies but doesn't really provide a useable response | 19:20 |
| peluse_ | you're welcome | 19:20 |
| acoles | clayg: 16 hex takes us way past year 2286, no? maybe overkill | 19:20 |
| notmyname | clayg: describe not usable. as in badly formatted or as in just plain wrong | 19:20 |
| clayg | torgomatic: oh oh oh - so are we going with 15 digits!? | 19:20 |
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| acoles | torgomatic: i'm cool with hex. or base 64. | 19:21 |
| clayg | notmyname: like it tells you an object is here and then you go there and the server says it's not there | 19:21 |
| notmyname | clayg: ack | 19:21 |
| torgomatic | clayg: we'll go with max(all the serious suggestions) | 19:21 |
| clayg | notmyname: (becauase you didn't send the right storage policy index, because you don't KNOW the storage policy index) | 19:21 |
| torgomatic | so probably not 256 hex digits :) | 19:21 |
| notmyname | acoles: but the second part is for finer resolution of the first part. not for representation of the timestamp. it's not a timestamp itself, right? its basically a counter | 19:21 |
| notmyname | clayg: right | 19:21 |
| clayg | notmyname: in acoles world you can't really do a fixed counter | 19:22 |
| acoles | notmyname: i think clayg and converged on it being delta time from the normal timestamp part | 19:22 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:22 |
| clayg | torgomatic: yeah if we keep with hex (which seems a totally reasonable usage of available ascii bytes) then we really don't need 16 whole digits | 19:22 |
| clayg | acoles: well part of that was just to deal with limited space, if we have more room it may be simpler to troubleshoot with extra digts | 19:23 |
| notmyname | clayg: what | 19:23 |
| clayg | acoles: my main concern was adding all these bytes that I don't really use - even the fast post stuff is just sort of an idea - it may not acctually turn out to be the best way do it | 19:23 |
| torgomatic | clayg: true; 9999999999999999 fits in 14 decimal digits | 19:23 |
| clayg | notmyname: wat? | 19:24 |
| notmyname | clayg: what's the cost of updating it to 16 hex digits? another 2 days of review? or is it something that can be done today? | 19:24 |
| clayg | notmyname: idk, have to see how many tests break - but why did we decide on 16 hex digits? | 19:24 |
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| acoles | clayg: fair point. | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | clayg: maybe I misread above? | 19:25 |
| notmyname | if not 16 then what? | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | I guess that's the question :-) | 19:25 |
| notmyname | oh, acoles said 12 | 19:25 |
| clayg | meh, it's not that many tests - i mean there's lots of asserts/expects in a loop but it seems like there's only a handful of tests that get all anal about the literal value of the timestamp (maybe that's ok) | 19:26 |
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| clayg | mathbot: 16 ** 12 | 19:26 |
| clayg | stupid mathbot | 19:26 |
| torgomatic | 16 hex seems like a reasonable upper bound on the things people have asked for | 19:27 |
| clayg | yeah it's a way higher resolution than the existing timestamps | 19:27 |
| torgomatic | also, it's 64 bits, which is a nice round number, so there should be fewer questions about it | 19:27 |
| torgomatic | instead of like "why 14 hex digits? what's going on there?" | 19:28 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: makes the port to C easier? | 19:28 |
| torgomatic | I'll get right on that | 19:28 |
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| acoles | so if we go large, its easier to shrink afterwards, if we decide there's no need. but not other way round. right? | 19:29 |
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| torgomatic | correct | 19:29 |
| torgomatic | or just leave big and padded with zeros; that's easy too | 19:29 |
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| notmyname | ok, so what are we doing? clayg updates the patch to do 16 bytes? | 19:29 |
| clayg | ok, well 12 hex is *almost* as big as 15 9's which is sorta the max time representable in swift with full resolution | 19:30 |
| acoles | torgomatic: yeah, just thinking about clayg's space usage concern. | 19:30 |
| * peluse_ has to pay attention to another meeting for 15 min or so... | 19:30 | |
| torgomatic | 16 bytes doesn't seem like a lot in the grand scheme of things, but it doesn't matter all that much to me | 19:30 |
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| torgomatic | as long as it's useful for what all folks want it for | 19:31 |
| clayg | either way i'd like to point out again that the reconciler doesn't need any of this (decamicro second bump worked fine) and even if it does want an offset to make reconciliation transparent it definately does need to do it 16 ** 16 times | 19:31 |
| notmyname | it's not 16 bytes. its 8 more that today (and onlu 4 more than the proposed 12) | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | is anyone arguing against 16 bytes? | 19:31 |
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| torgomatic | not I | 19:32 |
| clayg | o/ it's overkill at best | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | clayg: what do you want instead? the current 8? or 12? or? | 19:32 |
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| clayg | but i guess we could eventually use the leading digits to do something to fix the 2286 bug | 19:32 |
| clayg | idk | 19:32 |
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| clayg | torgomatic's probably right harder to add more | 19:33 |
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| clayg | i guess that's what harddisks or for | 19:33 |
| notmyname | portante: talking about the resolution for the second part of the timestamp | 19:33 |
| portante | k thanks | 19:33 |
| clayg | yay more bytes! why aren't we doing 256 again? | 19:33 |
| portante | clayg: because inode cluster allocation at higher inode sizes becomes problematic | 19:34 |
| portante | if by 256 you meant inode size on xfs | 19:34 |
| notmyname | portante: no. not at all :-) | 19:34 |
| portante | :) | 19:35 |
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| acoles | suggestion: move to 12 or 16 for RC, i will try to progress something on fast-copy to validate usefulness or not, review number digits next week? | 19:37 |
| acoles | (realise that means work right now making change) | 19:37 |
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| notmyname | acoles: that's a good proposal I think | 19:37 |
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| notmyname | do 16 now | 19:38 |
| clayg | acoles: no I think 8 was the wrong number, so it's either 12 or 16 and i think the tempature is leaning twoards 16 - which is TON of room for the eixting use case (more resolution than we have in normalize'd timestamps) - but it's a good round number and no one can imagine any one wanting more than that | 19:38 |
| acoles | i meant fast-post of course! | 19:38 |
| clayg | acoles: it'd be nice if you could make copy faster too | 19:39 |
| clayg | acoles: would three dementional time help? | 19:39 |
| acoles | sure would, and i can trim every 16 bytes down to 8 :) | 19:39 |
| notmyname | ok. yay resolution, then | 19:40 |
| notmyname | change it to 16 bytes | 19:40 |
| clayg | weeeeeee | 19:40 |
| notmyname | then, if there is nothing else big (and nothing is known now), clayg and I will work on getting in landed as a merge commit from a feature branch | 19:40 |
| notmyname | so that means one more patch chain push for the 16 bytes | 19:41 |
| clayg | s/clay and I/notmyname/ | 19:41 |
| notmyname | clayg: ack | 19:41 |
| clayg | notmyname: :P | 19:41 |
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| torgomatic | gate pass rate seems decent right now; if the merge-commit dance takes too long, we might be able to simply land all the patches | 19:42 |
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| * torgomatic has no idea how long a new feature branch would take to set up | 19:42 | |
| notmyname | torgomatic: not long, I think | 19:42 |
| torgomatic | okay then; never mind :) | 19:43 |
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| notmyname | everyone ok with the state of things then? | 19:43 |
| torgomatic | sure | 19:43 |
| clayg | umm... did anyone look at the merge_timestamps changes - that was the big diff from last night | 19:44 |
| clayg | acoles: had a thing the replicator where a corrupt db could blow up until the auditor cycles | 19:44 |
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| acoles | yeah, i wasn't sure on that one whether it was so different to what might already happen | 19:45 |
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| clayg | acoles: pretty sure I could get a test that would make replicate 500 | 19:46 |
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| clayg | torgomatic: some of those print statements might be useful to the next guy! | 19:48 |
| torgomatic | hehe | 19:48 |
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| notmyname | I think that's it for the meeting then | 19:50 |
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| notmyname | thanks everyone for coming | 19:51 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 18 19:51:22 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-06-18-19.01.html | 19:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-06-18-19.01.txt | 19:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-06-18-19.01.log.html | 19:51 |
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| cutforth | notmyname: hows the limb? | 19:51 |
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| notmyname | cutforth: time to take meds. they wore off and I'm cranky | 19:51 |
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| cutforth | notmyname: ok. i'll wait an hour before i ask any other questions :) | 19:53 |
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| mspreitz | #startmeeting | 20:00 |
| openstack | mspreitz: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 20:00 |
| mspreitz | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 18 20:00:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mspreitz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
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| mspreitz | roll call | 20:00 |
| randallburt | hi | 20:01 |
| skraynev | o/ | 20:01 |
| tspatzier | hi | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | \o | 20:01 |
| tango | o/ | 20:01 |
| zaneb | mspreitz volunteered to chair this week, btw | 20:01 |
| zaneb | currently taking volunteers to chair a fortnight from now | 20:01 |
| zaneb | that's in 2 weeks, for my American friends ;) | 20:02 |
| randallburt | :P | 20:02 |
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| mspreitz | Pls respond directly to Zane about chairing | 20:02 |
| mspreitz | #topic review action items from last meeting | 20:02 |
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| SpamapS | o/ | 20:02 |
| d0ugal | o/ | 20:02 |
| mspreitz | Zane, you had three, some in concert with others | 20:02 |
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| zaneb | do you have the link handy? | 20:03 |
| mspreitz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-06-11-12.00.html | 20:03 |
| zaneb | ta | 20:03 |
| zaneb | zaneb sync with andrew_plunk on rackspace CI job | 20:03 |
| zaneb | I didn't do that | 20:03 |
| mspreitz | #info zaneb sync with andrew_plunk on rackspace CI job - not yet | 20:04 |
| zaneb | doesn't look like he's around to give us an update | 20:04 |
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| zaneb | zaneb sync with stevebaker on heat-slow job & making it voting | 20:04 |
| randallburt | zaneb: poked him. he'll be here shortly | 20:04 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: got any update on that? | 20:04 |
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| randallburt | afaik, we have the job set up and running but I haven't seen it vote yet | 20:04 |
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| stevebaker | so there was a fix recently, most of the failures were caused by IP address clash | 20:05 |
| zaneb | randallburt: because it's passing, or because voting is not working? | 20:05 |
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| randallburt | zaneb: I think because its not working, but andrew_plunk is here now | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | I hoped that would make heat-slow reliable enough to be voting for everyone | 20:05 |
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| andrew_plunk | yeah it is setup randallburt, zanb | 20:06 |
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| andrew_plunk | I assumed it was voting, if nobody has seen a vote from raxci then I will double check | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | Its better, but there are still failures http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/ bug #1297560 | 20:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1297560 in tempest "*tempest-dsvm-neutron-heat-slow fails with WaitConditionTimeout" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297560 | 20:06 |
| zaneb | #info raxci job is set up and should be voting | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | there are no longer fedora boot timeouts, but set_hostname failures | 20:07 |
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| stevebaker | tl;dr, I'd like to hold out on fixing the job to be voting for everyone | 20:07 |
| * SpamapS blames systemd | 20:07 | |
| zaneb | zaneb sync with stevebaker on metadata api compat patch | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS, I'm not so sure. I'd like to blame neutron | 20:07 |
| zaneb | I think that one went in, right? | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: neutron has been integrated into systemd. | 20:08 |
| zaneb | blaming neutron is usually a safe bet :D | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | along with bash and corn flakes. | 20:08 |
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| bgorski | o/ sorry I'm late | 20:08 |
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| mspreitz | Is there a consensus on holding off making the job voting? | 20:08 |
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| SpamapS | Leave it non-voting | 20:09 |
| stevebaker | zaneb, its in. I'd like to re-propose this backport which includes restoring the metadata attribute https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:stable/icehouse+topic:bug/1306743,n,z | 20:09 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: but we were going to make it voting for just heat, right? | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | It needs to be really solid. | 20:09 |
| mspreitz | right, voting just for heat was the plan | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | We don't want to be the gate crashers. | 20:09 |
| stevebaker | zaneb, we were, one thing that occured to me though is that any other project could break heat-slow with one commit, then we can't land anything | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | it is still a problem if it only votes on Heat | 20:09 |
| zaneb | ok | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | because a heat fail == gate reset | 20:09 |
| zaneb | #agreed heat-slow job will remain non-voting until current issues are fixed | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | We can add it back in when it gets back up to 90% pass. | 20:10 |
| mspreitz | yes. next | 20:10 |
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| mspreitz | is the API compatability patch merged? | 20:10 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: yes | 20:10 |
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| mspreitz | #info zaneb sync with stevebaker on metadata api compat patch - merged | 20:11 |
| mspreitz | #topic additional agenda items | 20:11 |
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| zaneb | Mid-cycle meetup | 20:11 |
| mspreitz | Already on the agenda | 20:11 |
| zaneb | oh, good :) | 20:11 |
| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 20:12 |
| mspreitz | Anybody got anything else? | 20:12 |
| * mspreitz hears crickets | 20:12 | |
| mspreitz | #topic mid-cycle meetup | 20:12 |
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| zaneb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-juno-midcycle-meetup | 20:13 |
| mspreitz | Zane, what's the latest? | 20:13 |
| mspreitz | We are now discussing two meetups | 20:14 |
| zaneb | I think shardy and stevebaker are definitely going to attend the TripleO meetup | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | shadower: can you clarify your entry in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-juno-midcycle-meetup ? | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | I could go to either tripleo or heat meetup, but I've decided going to tripleo with shardy | 20:14 |
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| zaneb | it seems like most people can go to both | 20:14 |
| zaneb | or either, I should say | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | I'm assuming I'll be seeing you ugly mugs in Paris | 20:14 |
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| SpamapS | stevebaker: I think that's the right call, and you and shardy will be in high demand as TripleO will likely want to chat about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97939/ | 20:15 |
| zaneb | SpamapS can't go to the TripleO one, and would be struggling in August | 20:15 |
| zaneb | and tspatzier can't go in August | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | I'm wide open after 8/13 | 20:15 |
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| SpamapS | have blocked the entire last half of August off for this just in case. ;) | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS, yes, probably actually good that you won't be there (no offense ;) | 20:15 |
| tspatzier | zaneb: yeah, bad timing, but I think we can get someone from our team there | 20:16 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: from, or after? | 20:16 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: August 13 is a Wednesday | 20:16 |
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| SpamapS | 8/13 - 8/31 I can travel to timbuktu if need be.. wherever Heat needs me. :) | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: fully aware | 20:16 |
| zaneb | actually, tspatzier can't make either week, so I guess we could do it the second week | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: 8/13 is the third first day of school in a row for my three sons. | 20:16 |
| zaneb | forgot that new piece of info | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | as in, 8/11 is 1st day of school at new school for 2 year old.. | 20:17 |
| tspatzier | yep, do not make it depend on my schedule | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | 8/12 is 1st day at new school for 4 year old.. | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | 8/13 is 1st day at new school for 11 year old | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | highly stressful week. | 20:17 |
| zaneb | does anyone else have a preference? | 20:17 |
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| zaneb | anyone need/want to work with shardy and stevebaker at the meetup? | 20:18 |
| zaneb | lifeless: does the TripleO team have a preference on whether you get shardy+stevebaker only or all of us? | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | I'm assuming the heat meetup will be mostly about convergence? | 20:18 |
| zaneb | I think that will be a big part, but not the only part | 20:19 |
| mspreitz | Convergence and convergence, I expect | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | tripleC | 20:19 |
| zaneb | the other data point is that SpamapS can potentially bring some of his new team if we have it in August | 20:20 |
| mspreitz | I meant that a meeting that late will probably be also talking about getting to a coherent end-point | 20:20 |
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| SpamapS | Right. | 20:21 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: heh, terminology overload | 20:21 |
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| mspreitz | So I'm hearing questions but not a lot of answers from people about attendance | 20:21 |
| lifeless | zaneb: I don't think so - its a working event not a planning event for us | 20:21 |
| mspreitz | When does the bug fixing push begin? | 20:22 |
| zaneb | so, one one hand, it'd be good to have a meetup with the people who will be working on Convergence | 20:22 |
| zaneb | otoh, it sucks to have that conversation without shardy and stevebaker in the room | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | So it's not a time to have big conversations. | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | It is a time to land code. | 20:23 |
| randallburt | punt and try again with more planning in k? | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | I shall be there in spirit | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | We should actually be planning the K mid cycle now too. | 20:23 |
| randallburt | SpamapS: +1 | 20:24 |
| tspatzier | +1 | 20:24 |
| zaneb | +1 | 20:24 |
| BillArnold | +1 | 20:24 |
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| mspreitz | #agreed no second meetup | 20:24 |
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| mspreitz | #agreed start planning K early | 20:24 |
| zaneb | wait, what are we +1'ing? | 20:24 |
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| SpamapS | Since the summit is in .fr .. and mid-cycle is in the winter.. I suggest we host it in Los Angeles. :) Unfortunately, HP has no facility here. ;) | 20:24 |
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| tspatzier | zaneb: to plan a k mid-cycle meet up early | 20:25 |
| * randallburt was only agreeing with early planning for the k mid-cycle. | 20:25 | |
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| SpamapS | zaneb: that we shouldn't wait until the summit to start planning the mid-cycle. | 20:25 |
| randallburt | punting on this mid-cycle still seems to be up in the air. | 20:25 |
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| zaneb | that's what I thought | 20:25 |
| mspreitz | Oh | 20:25 |
| mspreitz | Let me do this carefully | 20:25 |
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| zaneb | mspreitz: I think you can do #undo | 20:25 |
| mspreitz | #undo | 20:25 |
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| mspreitz | #undo | 20:26 |
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| zaneb | perfect | 20:26 |
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| mspreitz | who agrees to have just one meetup this cycle, the one with tipleO? | 20:26 |
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| mspreitz | and who disagrees? | 20:26 |
| mspreitz | separately we will talka bout K | 20:26 |
| * zaneb is on the fence | 20:26 | |
| * randallburt is on the same fence | 20:27 | |
| zaneb | SpamapS: what's your gut instinct? | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | As someone who is not going, I think a second meetup is a good idea. SpamapS can get some momentum going on convergence in an environment less intense than Summit | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: If it is only me pulling people to the separate meetup, I say just have the one. | 20:27 |
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| SpamapS | But it is also (potentially, unconfirmed) a few more HP developers that can only come to the later one, and shadower. | 20:28 |
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| SpamapS | So even if just me and shadower and 3 guys from Bangalore got together somewhere for 3 days, I'd be for doing it. | 20:29 |
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| SpamapS | Because we get a lot of clarity from pair-programming on real code. | 20:29 |
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| randallburt | SpamapS: you need one more guy then ;) | 20:29 |
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| mspreitz | If Rackspace continues to be willing to host, I see no reason to squash | 20:29 |
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| zaneb | ok, I'm starting to lean toward August | 20:30 |
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| randallburt | RedHat was hosting | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | randallburt: there's always somebody on break. Union rules. ;) | 20:30 |
| randallburt | last I checked. | 20:30 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: yeah, Red Hat | 20:30 |
| mspreitz | sorry, mixed up my Rs | 20:30 |
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| zaneb | I'm told that's not a problem | 20:30 |
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| mspreitz | If we have a willing host and some willing attendees, then let's go ahead | 20:30 |
| zaneb | ok | 20:31 |
| mspreitz | I move for unanimous consent to have the August meetup too | 20:31 |
| randallburt | sounds good to me then. Will need a pretty solid agenda soon, though. | 20:31 |
| zaneb | what do people think about duration? 3 days? | 20:31 |
| randallburt | no more than 3 IMO. | 20:31 |
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| SpamapS | right, 3 working days is good. | 20:31 |
| zaneb | this would be week of Aug 19-23 | 20:32 |
| zaneb | so maybe 19-21 | 20:32 |
| SpamapS | Tu - Th, maximum family convenience. ;) | 20:32 |
| mspreitz | Wed--Fri | 20:32 |
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| mspreitz | (I was just translating dates) | 20:32 |
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| mspreitz | Agreement on Tu--Th ? | 20:33 |
| zaneb | oops | 20:33 |
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| zaneb | I actually meant 18-20 | 20:33 |
| zaneb | ie Mon-Wed | 20:33 |
| mspreitz | Aug 18 is Monday | 20:33 |
| zaneb | but if people are happy with Tue-Thu | 20:33 |
| mspreitz | I goofed too | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | M-W is fine .. any day that week is fine. | 20:34 |
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| zaneb | forgot I put the dates in etherpad as Tu-F | 20:34 |
| mspreitz | Does anybody have a preference? | 20:34 |
| zaneb | ok, let's go M-W | 20:35 |
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| mspreitz | going ... going ... | 20:35 |
| zaneb | I'll attempt to book the space and then make an announcement on the ML | 20:35 |
| mspreitz | #agreed have the second meetup, Aug 19--21 | 20:35 |
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| mspreitz | Next: K | 20:36 |
| zaneb | #action zaneb book space for the meetup and then make an announcement on the ML | 20:36 |
| mspreitz | Do we agree to plan an early mid-cycle meetup in K? | 20:36 |
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| zaneb | +1 | 20:36 |
| BillArnold | +1 | 20:36 |
| randallburt | yes | 20:36 |
| randallburt | at least I hope we do | 20:36 |
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| stevebaker | Brisbane? | 20:37 |
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| mspreitz | That planning to be done during a Heat session at the summit? | 20:37 |
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| zaneb | or before | 20:37 |
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| zaneb | but we probably don't need to do it right now | 20:37 |
| mspreitz | During a meeting in the runup to the summit? | 20:37 |
| zaneb | let's dump this responsibility on the next PTL ;) | 20:38 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker: Brisbane would be interesting. Or Wellington? | 20:38 |
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| mspreitz | Remind me: when is election result, compared to meeting cessation before summit? | 20:38 |
| zaneb | tspatzier: I'm guessing you've never flown from Germany to NZ before ;) | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | tspatzier, I'd be happy to host, but believe me, flights would be complicated and expensive | 20:39 |
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| zaneb | mspreitz: iirc it's a couple of weeks before | 20:39 |
| tspatzier | zaneb, stevebaker: I can imagine ;-) | 20:39 |
| mspreitz | I'm OK with dumping this on the next PTL then. | 20:39 |
| mspreitz | Any objection? | 20:39 |
| zaneb | certainly not from me ;) | 20:40 |
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| mspreitz | #action ${next PTL} before summit plan an early mid-cycle meetup | 20:40 |
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| mspreitz | #topic critical issues | 20:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "critical issues (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:41 | |
| mspreitz | Anybody got any? | 20:41 |
| zaneb | #action add mid-cycle meetup planning to Heat PTL guide on wiki | 20:41 |
| zaneb | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1331720 | 20:41 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1331720 in heat "missing TripleO heat metadata" [Undecided,In progress] | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | We had the one critical issue | 20:41 |
| zaneb | that ^ seems to be breaking everyone today :( | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | yeah that one | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | in the gate now | 20:42 |
| zaneb | my bad | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | well | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | I think it is time to have cfn API tempest tests | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | pretty simple to catch this one. | 20:42 |
| mspreitz | +1 | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | I will take that action | 20:42 |
| zaneb | and also time to have native APIs for in-instance stuff | 20:43 |
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| SpamapS | since I've written a non-boto based CFN API implementation already in os-collect-config | 20:43 |
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| stevebaker | SpamapS, they should be implemented as tempest boto thirdparty | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: we have native API's for in-instance | 20:43 |
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| mspreitz | zaneb: what do you mean by that? | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: boto's cfn is _entirely_ broken | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | hence os-collect-config :) | 20:44 |
| zaneb | signalling to waitconditions goes through the cfn API, and that sucks | 20:44 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: not anymore | 20:44 |
| zaneb | also, alarms | 20:44 |
| zaneb | orly? | 20:44 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS, once custom images can be built os-*-config can be tested. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92731/ | 20:44 |
| zaneb | why are you still using the cfn api then? | 20:44 |
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| zaneb | not that I am going to complain if you write tests for it | 20:44 |
| mspreitz | SpamapS: a bit of explanation please? | 20:45 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat/tree/heat/api/openstack/v1/resources.py | 20:45 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: because this hasn't landed yet https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94527/ | 20:45 |
| zaneb | ah, excellent | 20:46 |
| SpamapS | mspreitz: we didn't used to have native ways of inspecting meta-data or sending signals. stevebaker fixed that | 20:46 |
| stevebaker | until tokens get re-used, cfn will be quicker | 20:46 |
| zaneb | signal() needs a docstring ;) | 20:46 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: right, the patch chain leading up to that is implementing an on-disk token cache. :) | 20:46 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS, \o/ | 20:47 |
| stevebaker | I need to go now, school run | 20:47 |
| zaneb | I think we are about done anyway | 20:47 |
| SpamapS | TripleO reviewers are buried tho.. so unfortunately it will take some time. :-P | 20:47 |
| mspreitz | Anything else on this topic? | 20:47 |
| SpamapS | nay say I unto thee | 20:48 |
| mspreitz | #topic opens | 20:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "opens (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:48 | |
| mspreitz | Anybody want to raise anything else? | 20:48 |
| SpamapS | Please review specs! | 20:49 |
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| SpamapS | if you have not done so yet, add heat-specs to your subscribed repos | 20:49 |
| tspatzier | +1 SpamapS - that's what everyone should do! | 20:49 |
| zaneb | #info if you have not done so yet, add heat-specs to your subscribed repos | 20:49 |
| zaneb | that's one for the minutes ;) | 20:50 |
| mspreitz | OK, done. | 20:50 |
| mspreitz | Anything else? | 20:50 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: excellent job, thank you sir | 20:50 |
| mspreitz | I have one item myself | 20:50 |
| mspreitz | I have a bug regarding a combo: flat DHCP nova networking, new autoscaling group, scale up webhook fails | 20:51 |
| mspreitz | is any body or bot testing this? | 20:51 |
| BillArnold | mspreitz bug #? | 20:51 |
| mspreitz | one other factor: giving network name to OS::Nova::Server | 20:51 |
| mspreitz | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1327406 | 20:52 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1327406 in nova "The One And Only network is variously visible" [Undecided,In progress] | 20:52 |
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| mspreitz | I'm not clear on what the gate is testing in this neighborhood | 20:53 |
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| mspreitz | Pathology is this: scale up webhook -> nova call whose context says is-admin = false -> no networks visible -> lookup name fails | 20:55 |
| zaneb | so it's a problem with the trust-token? | 20:55 |
| mspreitz | I think that last part is a Nova bug, but maybe there is also a problem with Heat or Keystone or Nova wrt trusts here | 20:55 |
| zaneb | or the problem is that we're not using the trust-token when we should be? | 20:55 |
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| mspreitz | A trust is being made and used | 20:56 |
| mspreitz | but by the time it gets into Nova it has is-admin=false | 20:56 |
| mspreitz | webhook hit causes trust to be translated into token | 20:56 |
| mspreitz | when nova gets that token the context says is-admin=false | 20:56 |
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| zaneb | this single-flag-for-admin-ness needs to diaf | 20:57 |
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| zaneb | mspreitz: I suggest you talk to shardy | 20:57 |
| zaneb | he is expert in the ways of keystone | 20:57 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: thanks | 20:58 |
| mspreitz | time winding down | 20:58 |
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| mspreitz | last call | 20:58 |
| mspreitz | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 18 20:59:02 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-06-18-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-06-18-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-06-18-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
| zaneb | thanks mspreitz! | 20:59 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: you're welcome | 20:59 |
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