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| loquacities | #startmeeting DocTeamMeeting | 03:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 21 03:04:38 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: DocTeamMeeting)" | 03:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteammeeting' | 03:04 |
| loquacities | hey everyone, sorry for the late start :) | 03:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | no problem | 03:05 |
| loquacities | #topic Action items from last meeting | 03:05 |
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| loquacities | ACTION: slong or chandankumar add WIP info to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HowTo#Reviewing_Documentation (annegentle, 14:04:41) | 03:06 |
| loquacities | slong: do you have an update on that? | 03:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i think chandan added it | 03:06 |
| slong | I saw that chandankumar wrote something, I gave him an edit, but | 03:07 |
| slong | hasn't been put in. | 03:07 |
| loquacities | oh cool | 03:07 |
| loquacities | excellent | 03:07 |
| slong | Left it with him. | 03:07 |
| loquacities | ACTION: NickChase and carlp and Sam-I-Am to meet | 03:07 |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am? | 03:07 |
| loquacities | re: installation guide changes for Icehouse | 03:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | we met last wednesday and we're meeting again this thursday | 03:07 |
| loquacities | cool, need anything? | 03:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | nick is putting together three blueprints for neutron... install guide reorg, cloud admin guide, and possibly a book | 03:08 |
| loquacities | oh, that is cool | 03:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm also trying to install icehouse in my lab to work on ML2 | 03:08 |
| loquacities | definitely all things i'm interested in :) | 03:08 |
| loquacities | ACTION: NickChase to contact Edgar Magana on the neutron team to let him know the networking guide plan | 03:09 |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am: can you comment on that? | 03:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | egdar was pulled into the loop in some e-mails | 03:09 |
| loquacities | ok, cool | 03:09 |
| loquacities | ACTION: annegentle to email Nick and Edgar | 03:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think he's going to be on the meeting on thursday | 03:09 |
| loquacities | ^^ probably the same answer, yeah? | 03:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 03:10 |
| loquacities | ACTION: NickChase to email openstack-docs mailing list with plan for networking guide | 03:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | i havent seen that one yet | 03:10 |
| loquacities | there's been discussion, though, so i'm assuming we're well on the way | 03:10 |
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| loquacities | ok, that's it for action items | 03:11 |
| loquacities | any comment on those? | 03:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, most of it is around the neutron HA stuff | 03:11 |
| loquacities | yeah, i'm sorry i missed that convo | 03:11 |
| loquacities | #topic Report from Doc Bug Day Dec 20 | 03:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Report from Doc Bug Day Dec 20 (Meeting topic: DocTeamMeeting)" | 03:11 | |
| Sam-I-Am | that was a blast | 03:11 |
| loquacities | #link http://bit.ly/1b32JM0 | 03:12 |
| loquacities | yeah, it was pretty awesome :) | 03:12 |
| loquacities | something like 80 bugs, according to anne | 03:12 |
| loquacities | #topic Schedule January Monthly Google Hangout | 03:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Schedule January Monthly Google Hangout (Meeting topic: DocTeamMeeting)" | 03:13 | |
| loquacities | so, anne and i have been going back and forth on this one, and there some chatter on the list too | 03:13 |
| loquacities | the current date i have is 29 jan, 2000 UTC | 03:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | me too | 03:14 |
| loquacities | that's not wonderful for us, but anne is trying to get europe in on this one | 03:14 |
| loquacities | the stated point is that it's a good idea to just see each other and chat a bit every so often, although i think there'll be a loose agenda | 03:14 |
| slong | er, that's 6am? | 03:14 |
| loquacities | slong: yeah, she wants to move them around to give everyone a chance | 03:15 |
| loquacities | so this time we draw the short straw | 03:15 |
| slong | believe me 6 is better than 11/12pm. | 03:15 |
| loquacities | yeah, i agree FWIW | 03:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | as long as there's coffee | 03:16 |
| slong | :) | 03:16 |
| loquacities | so anyway, is everyone cool with that day/time? | 03:16 |
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| slong | +1 | 03:16 |
| loquacities | (acknowledging that it might be difficult for people in our tz) | 03:16 |
| slong | will endeavor.... | 03:16 |
| loquacities | awesome | 03:16 |
| loquacities | quiet meeting today | 03:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | fine here too | 03:16 |
| slong | lots of stuff going on. Harder to focus when you're at work :) | 03:17 |
| loquacities | awesome, thanks Sam-I-Am | 03:17 |
| loquacities | yeah, tell me about it ;) | 03:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | fifield is in the US | 03:17 |
| loquacities | oh, he's travelling? | 03:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 03:17 |
| loquacities | ok, i'll take that as a yes for the hangout, anyway | 03:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | some sort of staff meeting | 03:17 |
| loquacities | #topic Webinar in February (date tbd) to update Icehouse doc/qa/infra plans | 03:17 |
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| loquacities | i haven't got any updated info on this other than what anne said in the meeting last week | 03:18 |
| loquacities | 14:18:39 <annegentle> this summit, HK, they stopped having the PTLs give an update for plans during the Summit itself | 03:18 |
| loquacities | 14:18:48 <annegentle> so, they're doing webinars after | 03:18 |
| loquacities | 14:18:52 <annegentle> this is docs turn | 03:18 |
| loquacities | 14:18:56 <annegentle> should be first week of Feb. | 03:18 |
| loquacities | so just a heads up for that | 03:18 |
| slong | Interesting | 03:18 |
| loquacities | yeah, i thought so too, slong :) | 03:19 |
| loquacities | #topic Done with backports to stable/havana | 03:19 |
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| loquacities | just in case you didn't get that memo already | 03:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's always one more | 03:19 |
| slong | question about backports... | 03:19 |
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| slong | only the Install Guide gets an actual branch, right? | 03:19 |
| loquacities | i believe so | 03:20 |
| slong | So the other guides are continually integrated? | 03:20 |
| loquacities | yep | 03:20 |
| slong | And switching this week or next to Icehouse? | 03:20 |
| loquacities | this week | 03:20 |
| slong | kk, just getting my head around the process. | 03:20 |
| loquacities | np | 03:20 |
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| loquacities | #topic Discuss any installation guide changes for Icehouse | 03:21 |
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| loquacities | there was a fair bit of discussion around this at last week's meeting | 03:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | yes | 03:21 |
| loquacities | but i think most of it has moved onto the mailing list now | 03:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | neutron became a project by itself | 03:21 |
| loquacities | basically, we're continuing with the manual install/choose your own adventure style, with the exception of networking | 03:22 |
| loquacities | yep | 03:22 |
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| loquacities | so there's a plan afoot for a new networking book, yeah? | 03:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 03:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think we're leaning toward making the install guide "just work" for the most common cases | 03:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | then move the more advanced things into other places | 03:22 |
| loquacities | i think that's sane | 03:23 |
| loquacities | #topic Doc tools update - release to support Japanese translation | 03:23 |
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| loquacities | so i don't have a lot of info on this one | 03:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | me neither | 03:24 |
| loquacities | but i believe that's all underway, and shouldn't particular impact our workflow | 03:24 |
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| loquacities | ok, i think that wraps up the agenda | 03:24 |
| loquacities | #topic Open discussion | 03:25 |
| slong | one thing. | 03:25 |
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| slong | The ops guide sprint still happening this week? | 03:25 |
| loquacities | oh, i don't know | 03:25 |
| loquacities | i've been out of the loop a bit, sorry | 03:25 |
| slong | I've done the provisional neutron/HA architecture update, but it's still getting a tech review. | 03:26 |
| loquacities | and i can't see anything on the ML other than anne on the 14th | 03:26 |
| slong | Hoping to have that done by tomorrow. | 03:26 |
| loquacities | ok, sounds good | 03:26 |
| slong | Ok, won't panic then. Anne had initially said 22.Jan | 03:26 |
| loquacities | yeah, that's the most recent email i can find | 03:26 |
| loquacities | nothing confirming that | 03:26 |
| slong | Well, will soldier on... | 03:26 |
| loquacities | love your work :) | 03:27 |
| loquacities | also: i think we may be due to organise a BNE openstack writers meetup, yeah? | 03:27 |
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| loquacities | slong: ^^ ? | 03:28 |
| slong | sorry, someone talking... | 03:29 |
| loquacities | np | 03:29 |
| slong | Yes, definitely :) | 03:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | took me a while to figure out what 'bne' meant :/ | 03:29 |
| loquacities | ok, well, i'll send you an email and we can get that happening | 03:29 |
| loquacities | oh! sorry Sam-I-Am, it's the airport code for brisbane :) | 03:29 |
| loquacities | ok, any other business? | 03:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | nothing from me | 03:30 |
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| loquacities | slong? | 03:30 |
| slong | nope, all good | 03:30 |
| loquacities | awesome | 03:30 |
| slong | thanks for running things | 03:30 |
| loquacities | sorry for missing last fortnight | 03:30 |
| loquacities | oh! that reminds me ... how do we feel about moving to wednesday meetings? | 03:31 |
| slong | I missed whether US was moving permanently? | 03:31 |
| loquacities | also, while i'm on the topic: is this timing ok? | 03:31 |
| loquacities | yes, they are | 03:31 |
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| slong | +1 on timing | 03:31 |
| slong | +1 on wednesday then | 03:31 |
| loquacities | ok, so same time, but on wednesdays | 03:31 |
| annegentle | slong: yes, ops guide sprint still Thurs/Fri this week. | 03:31 |
| loquacities | i'll update the wiki | 03:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think i'm ok with wednesdays too | 03:32 |
| loquacities | oh hi annegentle :) | 03:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | in this time zone i can usually make both meetings | 03:32 |
| slong | Ok, will make sure the commit is there for the ops guide | 03:32 |
| annegentle | slong: I just got parts working today I think, a few more brushups on the toolside | 03:32 |
| annegentle | slong: thank you! | 03:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | hi anne! | 03:32 |
| slong | 'parts'? | 03:32 |
| annegentle | also chandankumar has one in the review queue | 03:32 |
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| annegentle | slong: so the editor keeps asking for two parts: architecture and operations | 03:32 |
| annegentle | slong: and it's sorta what we wanted in the first place also, but our tool couldn't output it | 03:33 |
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| annegentle | so now we can make o'reilly editors happy AND have our output nice :) | 03:33 |
| slong | oh, interesting. | 03:33 |
| loquacities | nice :) | 03:33 |
| loquacities | i'm a big fan of <part>s generally | 03:33 |
| slong | annegentle, this is the change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67763/ | 03:34 |
| annegentle | loquacities: yeah once we get it working I'll send a note to the list - Cloud Admin Guide might like some parts | 03:34 |
| loquacities | i agree | 03:34 |
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| annegentle | slong: great! I will take a look! | 03:34 |
| slong | If my tech reviewer doesn't get back to me by this afternoon, just go ahead and take as is? | 03:34 |
| slong | I'll raise a bug for anything that comes up. | 03:34 |
| annegentle | slong: I think so | 03:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | slong: is this the active/active thing? | 03:35 |
| slong | At least the sprint will have the bulk. | 03:35 |
| slong | ha/neutron | 03:35 |
| slong | yes | 03:35 |
| slong | but doesn't use that terminology, rather that everything is backing everything else up :) | 03:36 |
| loquacities | lol | 03:36 |
| slong | yeah | 03:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | i c | 03:36 |
| loquacities | ok, any other business? | 03:36 |
| loquacities | thanks everyone :) | 03:37 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 03:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 21 03:37:39 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteammeeting/2014/docteammeeting.2014-01-21-03.04.html | 03:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteammeeting/2014/docteammeeting.2014-01-21-03.04.txt | 03:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteammeeting/2014/docteammeeting.2014-01-21-03.04.log.html | 03:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | thanks! | 03:37 |
| loquacities | np | 03:37 |
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| loquacities | thanks for pinging me on schedule, too, Sam-I-Am :) | 03:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | np | 03:38 |
| annegentle | thanks loquacities! | 03:38 |
| loquacities | my pleasure :) | 03:38 |
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| sc68cal | Hello everyone | 13:56 |
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| sc68cal | Agenda for the ipv6 meeting - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-IPv6-Subteam#Agenda_for_Jan_21st | 13:57 |
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| dzyu | Hi dzyu in here | 14:00 |
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| xuhanp | hello | 14:00 |
| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 21 14:00:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ipv6)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6' | 14:00 |
| sc68cal | Hello everyone - thanks for being here | 14:00 |
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| sc68cal | #topic recap previous meeting | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "recap previous meeting (Meeting topic: neutron_ipv6)" | 14:00 | |
| sc68cal | Agenda for the ipv6 meeting - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-IPv6-Subteam#Agenda_for_Jan_21st | 14:01 |
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| sc68cal | Last week the only real action item we had was for shshang to send an e-mail to the mailing list about a new set of attributes | 14:01 |
| sc68cal | he does not appear to be on - so we'll have to see if he joins late | 14:02 |
| xuhanp | yep. I saw that one and your last comment about which commit it should go to. | 14:02 |
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| xuhanp | there is shshang | 14:03 |
| sc68cal | shshang: welcome | 14:03 |
| shshang | Good morning! Good Night! | 14:03 |
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| dzyu | Good morning! shshang | 14:04 |
| sc68cal | shshang: we had an action item last week for you - do you have any progress to share? | 14:04 |
| sc68cal | " | 14:04 |
| sc68cal | shshang send e-mail to mailing list regarding new attribute | 14:04 |
| sc68cal | " | 14:04 |
| shshang | I did, but I am waiting for Anthony and Ian to confirm..... | 14:04 |
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| shshang | it is not the ultimate solution, but I think we can live with that in Icehouse release while waiting for API to settle down | 14:05 |
| shshang | let me sent the email to the mailer, so everybody here can take a look | 14:06 |
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| sc68cal | It's probably going to take a while to propogate, so can you share it here | 14:06 |
| shshang | As we discussed last time, we need a pair of keywords | 14:07 |
| shshang | the first one is to control whether RA is sent and which bits are set | 14:08 |
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| shshang | the second one is to control who manage the address assignment leverage DHCPv6 | 14:08 |
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| shshang | But since Neutron team want backward complaintability and a boolean value, and we are stuck to enable_dhcp. | 14:10 |
| shshang | the table included in the email was created to see whether we can take advantage of what we have so far to move the needle forward | 14:10 |
| shshang | it is surely not the BEST solution, but before API decision is made, it is one of the alternate solutions. | 14:11 |
| shshang | Did you guys get the email? | 14:11 |
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| xuhanp | not yet | 14:12 |
| sc68cal | not yet - so we may need to move discussion to the ML | 14:12 |
| dzyu | is the link: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/024179.html? | 14:12 |
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| shshang | let me verbally summarize it.... | 14:12 |
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| shshang | Anthony made an excellent point over and over again, which I overlooked before | 14:13 |
| aveiga | I did? | 14:13 |
| shshang | oh, you are HERE! I thought you are hidden. :D | 14:13 |
| shshang | aveiga, I think you can explain your thoughts better than me. :D | 14:14 |
| aveiga | I got in late | 14:14 |
| aveiga | some mixups with an exchange server :/ | 14:14 |
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| sc68cal | #topic blueprints | 14:15 |
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| shshang | you want to explain to the crew members on the neutron+ipv6 boat? | 14:15 |
| aveiga | I think sc68cal is interesting in moving the topic | 14:15 |
| aveiga | and I'm not sure what you wanted to dicsuss | 14:15 |
| sc68cal | just keeping the topic current | 14:15 |
| shshang | OK, then we can discuss it further in ML | 14:15 |
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| aveiga | sorry, someone catch me up then | 14:16 |
| sc68cal | OK - so there's a proposal to make additional attributes and replace the subnet_mode attribute | 14:16 |
| shshang | aveiga, would u plz do me a huge favor verifying the table included in the email to the ML? | 14:16 |
| shshang | I need your expertise there | 14:17 |
| aveiga | shshang: when I receive it I will, the ML usually takes a good half hour to get to me | 14:17 |
| sc68cal | Is the plan for this to be replacing our current code review, or an addition? | 14:17 |
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| sc68cal | I asked on the ML - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/024902.html | 14:17 |
| aveiga | sc68cal: I think the idea was to change it from subneet_mode to addressing mode and routing mode | 14:17 |
| aveiga | otherwise, we would just have to make subnet_mode a full matrix of permutations | 14:18 |
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| sc68cal | It sounds like the answer is "replace" | 14:18 |
| aveiga | with the intent to decouple them, as people have been seeing both in the IPv6 world and even in today's mail in the IPv4 world, sometimes you want an external system to handle certain bits | 14:18 |
| aveiga | we should be functional, but also be able to get out of t he way if another solution is brought in place | 14:19 |
| aveiga | i.e. be modular | 14:19 |
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| aveiga | so if you're using a provider net router but want OpenStack to do addressing, we just need the address bit and no RA | 14:19 |
| aveiga | or if we want OpenStack to do the routing but we need a specific DHCPv6 server to comply with some policy, we could run just the routing bits and don't run addressing | 14:20 |
| aveiga | honestly, it's fine either way | 14:20 |
| aveiga | it really becomes an implementation decision | 14:21 |
| sc68cal | My concern with this is that we're going to have to do a full 180* on this, so I don't know if we'll be able to make anything for Icehouse with this new proposal | 14:21 |
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| aveiga | whether you want to enumerate and loop through all the permutations or split the function and the parameters | 14:21 |
| aveiga | well, then keep it to the full list of permutations | 14:22 |
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| aveiga | and leave some of them "cuirrently unimplemented" | 14:22 |
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| aveiga | but there's the whole issue of folks wanting the enable_dhcp attribute to still be there | 14:22 |
| aveiga | personally, t hat's a bad idea, as DHCPv6 isn't a binary on/off | 14:22 |
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| ijw | 2 weeks running, *sigh* | 14:23 |
| aveiga | and the permutation idea doesn't work unless the value of enable_dhcp actually matches | 14:23 |
| aveiga | or we ignore it | 14:23 |
| ijw | I'm going to jump in without the prior discussion on this - what the cores want from enable_dhcp is that, if it's false, nothing transmits DHCP *or* RAs | 14:23 |
| aveiga | that makes a little more sense | 14:24 |
| aveiga | basically disable the network management functions | 14:24 |
| ijw | So I would use it as a global disable flag, and then use other flags (with defaults that match Neutron's current behaviour) for the specific choice of behaviour we want | 14:24 |
| ijw | yup | 14:24 |
| xuhanp | so what happen when enable_dhcp is true? RA or DHCP? or depends on the other attribute to decide? | 14:25 |
| aveiga | yes, the other attribute becomes important | 14:25 |
| aveiga | and even then, it could still be disabled if the other attribute is set off/off | 14:26 |
| aveiga | but it passes control to the other attribute | 14:26 |
| ijw | Yup, indeed | 14:27 |
| xuhanp | then we probably should not allow that to be happen since it doesn't make sense to end user. | 14:27 |
| aveiga | sc68cal: if we did the permutations as values, do you still think we'd delay past Icehouse? | 14:27 |
| ijw | enable_dhcp becomes a backward compatibility thing, really | 14:27 |
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| aveiga | I'm still uncomfortable with one value to control multiple subsystems, but I'll accept it in the name of progress | 14:28 |
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| ijw | aveiga: If we have a DHCPv6 server independent of an RA server, and we use something specifically RA-sending like RADVD so that we have the maximum of control over RAs, then can we implement the two attributes entirely independently of each other? | 14:28 |
| aveiga | ijw: yes, but you joined after sc68cal mentioned that would push us out too far | 14:28 |
| sc68cal | aveiga: we'd need to see the proposal to get a good idea. However, I'm very concerned about how it's now basically I-2 and we've got nothing off the ground, and now we're going to do a whole re-arch | 14:29 |
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| dzyu | the other attribute should be what? boolean? | 14:29 |
| shshang | another attribute is values | 14:29 |
| aveiga | dzyu: nope, no booleans here | 14:29 |
| sc68cal | I know that my change wasn't great- but it was proposed back in November - it's had a bit of time to bake and it still hasn't gone far | 14:30 |
| shshang | you will see more details in the email. It listed all possible values | 14:30 |
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| sc68cal | Has any code been written for this new proposal? | 14:31 |
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| shshang | I got most of the dnsmasq part of the code done with the exception of two scenarios. I am still researching on it. | 14:31 |
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| shshang | it is 75% complete | 14:31 |
| shshang | I should get it out by tomorrow | 14:31 |
| shshang | but that is only 1 piece of the puzzle | 14:32 |
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| ijw | aveiga: the bit I'm missing, I think, is what we could implement that we would be able to do in time and wouldn't have us screwed for backward compatibility | 14:32 |
| sc68cal | OK - has anyone added the attribute to the API, and the db migration, as well as additions to the db_base_plugin_v2 ? | 14:32 |
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| xuhanp | dzyu and I can help with that if that's needed urgently | 14:33 |
| dzyu | Yes | 14:33 |
| xuhanp | you know, to speed up this | 14:33 |
| ijw | sc68cal: and that's important - if we do put this out and it's wrong we are stuck with it for at least a year till the v2 api goes away | 14:33 |
| shshang | xuhanp, and dzyu, that will be AWESOME! | 14:33 |
| aveiga | we need to get the attributes nailed down for that work to happen at all | 14:33 |
| shshang | yes | 14:34 |
| sc68cal | If you guys share the details - I can rework my piece to fit what you guys are proposing | 14:34 |
| aveiga | so one attribute or two? | 14:34 |
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| xuhanp | and will dzyu's address calculating code still be useful? | 14:34 |
| shshang | I vote for two | 14:34 |
| aveiga | xuhanp: yup | 14:34 |
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| xuhanp | we get that based on Sean's current code now. | 14:34 |
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| shshang | xuhanp, yes, that part is still valid | 14:34 |
| ijw | I think two and I think we have to write this in the BP so that everyone's clear what it is - we've been discussing it in private and that is, I suspect, not helpful sc68cal's opinion of us ;) | 14:35 |
| sc68cal | No - it has not made me happy | 14:35 |
| aveiga | +1 | 14:35 |
| aveiga | ok, let's get the BP setup for the two attributes then | 14:35 |
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| sc68cal | Who should I make responsible for that | 14:36 |
| aveiga | we can mostly ignore enable_dhcp except to say that if it's off, everything is disabled | 14:36 |
| dzyu | yes | 14:36 |
| shshang | can everybody review the email in the ML, and then nail down the values first? | 14:36 |
| shshang | then we can create BP? | 14:36 |
| shshang | and then we can code? | 14:36 |
| xuhanp | sure. then also talk about the code assignment in the ML? | 14:37 |
| shshang | Yup | 14:37 |
| shshang | that is the fastest way to get everybody aligned | 14:37 |
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| shshang | I can set up a BP in the next 10 mins. Very simple. Just to capture the discussion with aveiga and ijw. It should be immediately available to everybody. | 14:39 |
| shshang | instead of waiting for ML | 14:39 |
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| sc68cal | #action shshang register new blueprint for IPv6 attributes | 14:40 |
| sc68cal | #action aveiga ijw shshang discuss new IPv6 attributes on ML | 14:41 |
| sc68cal | Everyone else - please participate as well | 14:41 |
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| sc68cal | I spoke with core devs yesterday and they are looking out for e-mails regarding this | 14:41 |
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| sc68cal | I don't have anything else, so open discussion? | 14:42 |
| xuhanp | I have a bug opened by ijw which I want to have a quick talk. | 14:42 |
| sc68cal | ok - we can do that | 14:42 |
| sc68cal | #topic bugs | 14:42 |
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| sc68cal | have a link handy? | 14:43 |
| xuhanp | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1262759 | 14:43 |
| xuhanp | I was trying to help on this one since it's IPv6 related | 14:43 |
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| xuhanp | but I have some confusion about it. | 14:43 |
| sc68cal | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1262759 ICMPv6 RAs should only be permitted from known routers | 14:43 |
| ijw | OK - the issue is that Linux will take an RA from anyone. It's a tart, basically | 14:43 |
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| xuhanp | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/securitygroups_rpc_base.py#L284 | 14:43 |
| xuhanp | but looking at the code here | 14:43 |
| xuhanp | I can see there is already some rules for tenant RA from dhcp port | 14:44 |
| aveiga | xuhanp: that's only part of the puzzle | 14:44 |
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| aveiga | we need to allow external gateways (provider networks) and advances services VMs as well | 14:45 |
| xuhanp | I know we are trying to separate the RA from dhcp, but is it missing other things? | 14:45 |
| ijw | Hmm | 14:45 |
| ijw | you know, I didn't know that was there | 14:45 |
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| xuhanp | that's sc68cal was trying to do in his patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53028/9 | 14:45 |
| xuhanp | right? | 14:45 |
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| xuhanp | aveiga? | 14:45 |
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| aveiga | yes, that was the intent | 14:46 |
| aveiga | but sc68cal basically opened up all RAs | 14:46 |
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| aveiga | in the itnerest of working first, secured later | 14:46 |
| aveiga | ideally, the admin should register these things as Routers in Neutron | 14:46 |
| xuhanp | aveiga, are you saying we need a config list to let admin/user specify the router address to allow only them? | 14:47 |
| aveiga | and we should accept all RAs from Routers | 14:47 |
| sc68cal | I believe the fix is remove the RA from ICMPV6_ALLOWED_TYPES, then add a function similar to that function in security_groups_rpc that looks up the gateway and other services, and adds a rule that allows in the ICMPv6 type for RAs | 14:47 |
| aveiga | +1 to sc68cal | 14:47 |
| aveiga | that's the ideal way | 14:47 |
| shshang | agree | 14:47 |
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| sc68cal | I have a patch that is WIP adding a function that does just that to security_groups_rpc | 14:47 |
| ijw | xuhanp: that original assumes RAs come from the DHCPv6 server and that would be the problem I think | 14:47 |
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| ijw | It should be operating on the list of known routers (which should include both internal and external ones) | 14:48 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, when you say the gateway and other services, do you mean the provider network? | 14:48 |
| xuhanp | I mean the external ones? | 14:48 |
| sc68cal | xuhanp: provider network sets the gateway - it's just an external gateway | 14:48 |
| aveiga | ijw: actually, it would not impede it | 14:48 |
| aveiga | if you moved the RA to the router namespace, then the gateway rule would still allow the RA | 14:49 |
| aveiga | it would just leave an opening for the DHCP namespace to also send one | 14:49 |
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| aveiga | which shouldn't happen if the implementation is intelligent enough to split the RA to the rotuer namespace anyway | 14:49 |
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| ijw | aveiga: cross purposes, I think - I was talking about the current code that xuhanp pointed at | 14:50 |
| aveiga | yep | 14:50 |
| aveiga | I get it knwo | 14:50 |
| aveiga | now* | 14:50 |
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| shshang | https://www.dropbox.com/s/kyh7vpty0nugaza/IPv6%20Two%20Modes.pdf | 14:51 |
| shshang | This is the table in my email to the ML | 14:51 |
| shshang | I just uploaded to the dropbox | 14:51 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, do you have a blueprint for that WIP code change? Can I help on that too? | 14:51 |
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| xuhanp | just a great opportunity to get familiar with these stuff. | 14:52 |
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| sc68cal | xuhanp: no bp for it, I was just going to add a Bug # to the commit message - but yeah I'll make sure to announce it on the ML and share the link next week worst case | 14:52 |
| sc68cal | I'll probably get it posted to gerrit this week | 14:52 |
| shshang | sc68cal, here is the new BP I created. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ipv6-two-attributes | 14:53 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, OK. let me know what I can help here. Thanks | 14:53 |
| shshang | everybody, please help review........ | 14:53 |
| sc68cal | so it's really only one *new* attribute | 14:53 |
| shshang | YUP | 14:53 |
| aveiga | shshang: no, don't reference enable_dhcp | 14:53 |
| aveiga | that needs to be another attribute | 14:54 |
| shshang | OK! | 14:54 |
| shshang | I will change it | 14:54 |
| aveiga | it's not dhcp | 14:54 |
| aveiga | it's addressing | 14:54 |
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| sc68cal | #topic open discussion | 14:55 |
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| aveiga | SLAAC is part of it, because if SLAAC is on we need to determine the EUI-64 address and provide it to Neutron | 14:55 |
| shshang | True | 14:55 |
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| shshang | I am updating it now | 14:55 |
| xuhanp | shshang, is the PDF same with the email in ML? | 14:55 |
| shshang | thank you for pointing it out | 14:55 |
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| shshang | the email included the same table as pic | 14:55 |
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| xuhanp | got it | 14:56 |
| shshang | The PDF is also in my dropbox. I can send you the PDF if you need it. | 14:56 |
| xuhanp | yes, please. pengxuhan@gmail.com Thank you | 14:56 |
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| shshang | Please provide your feedback on ML, so we can capture them to finalize the BP | 14:57 |
| sc68cal | make sure that BP is linked to the IPv6 feature parity BP | 14:57 |
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| shshang | sc68cal, yup, I am doing it no | 14:58 |
| shshang | now | 14:58 |
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| shshang | sc68cal, do you think we can nail down the attributes by tomorrow? | 14:58 |
| shshang | or in the next 48 hours? | 14:58 |
| aveiga | depends on the BP and the ML feedback | 14:58 |
| aveiga | but we should be able to | 14:58 |
| sc68cal | if I've got good doc - I can rework my review to add the second attribute, and rename dhcp_modes to the first | 14:59 |
| dzyu | yes, it will be more easy than replace it | 14:59 |
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| shshang | sc68cal, linked it to your original BP | 15:00 |
| sc68cal | yep - plus dzyu's logic for when to do SLAAC cn be reused | 15:00 |
| shshang | and I will put you as approvor | 15:00 |
| sc68cal | alright everyone - to the mailing list! | 15:01 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 21 15:01:05 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-01-21-14.00.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-01-21-14.00.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-01-21-14.00.log.html | 15:01 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting gantt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 21 15:01:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gantt)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 15:01 |
| n0ano | anyone hear to talk about the scheduler? | 15:01 |
| garyk | hi | 15:01 |
| toan-tran | i'm here, hi all | 15:01 |
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| doron_ | hi | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | hi | 15:01 |
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| coolsvap | hi | 15:02 |
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| alaski | hi | 15:02 |
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| mspreitz | o/ | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | I wanted to talk about no db but boris doesn't seem to be on yet, let's go to the code forklift first | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | #topic code forklift | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | hopefully all have seen the email thread on the devel list... | 15:03 |
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| n0ano | we've decided to get the new gantt tree working first, and then re-sync (probably by recreating the tree) to the nova tree | 15:03 |
| n0ano | (rather than trying to continuously keep in sync with the nova tree) | 15:04 |
| n0ano | to that effort, there are 3 primary top level goals: | 15:04 |
| n0ano | 1) integrate with devstack | 15:04 |
| n0ano | 2) get the unit tests to work | 15:04 |
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| n0ano | 3) integration tests working | 15:04 |
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| garyk | sorry, not sure that i follow | 15:05 |
| n0ano | I've actually done task 1, the patches for devstack are posted and awaiting review | 15:05 |
| garyk | instead of running n-sched will we be running gantt on devstack? | 15:05 |
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| alaski | n0ano: do you have links for the devstack patches? | 15:06 |
| garyk | the review is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67666/ | 15:06 |
| n0ano | garyk, the idea is that you can ask devstack to include gantt rather than n-sch (the same way you can ask for neutron vs. n-net) | 15:06 |
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| garyk | n0ano: thanks | 15:06 |
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| n0ano | surprisingly enought, asking for gantt rather than n-sch works (you wind up calling into nova code but it installs the gantt tree and starts things out from the top of the gantt tree) | 15:07 |
| garyk | thanks, i will take alook at it. is the jenkins −1 due to the grumpy old man or a real issue? | 15:07 |
| n0ano | garyk, yep, grump old man (I think is the dsm which seems to always fail) | 15:07 |
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| n0ano | so yeah, reviewing the devstack patches would be great, I'd love to get that in. | 15:08 |
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| n0ano | I've looked at task 2 & 3 and they are not totally trivial | 15:09 |
| garyk | i'll look at the devstack | 15:09 |
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| n0ano | for 2, getting the service started has some futzy issues that need to be dealt with, I'm looking at it and not getting far... | 15:10 |
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| n0ano | for 3, I'm missing something obivious, the testing harness won't allow includes from nova so you wind up pulling half the nova tree over, not what we want | 15:10 |
| alaski | is #3 tempest tests, or something else? | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | but surely, you don't need to change any of the tests? | 15:11 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, I would hope the tests would only need a change to an import line at most, the body of the test wouldn't change | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, sorry, I mean tempest tests | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | they should just run as normal | 15:12 |
| n0ano | alaski, I believe that run_tests.sh calls testr (with a virtual environment) and that doesn't seem to allow imports from nova | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | unit tests will take some care, mostly the whole DB hooks thing | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano tox is used in the gate, but almost the same difference | 15:13 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, true but we want to be just a drop in for now, utilizing code for things like DB access from nova should be fine | 15:13 |
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| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, yeah, I did tox manually and, as I remember, I hit the same issue | 15:13 |
| alaski | I think of run_tests.sh/tox as unit tests, and tempest as integration tests. And integrating with devstack basically gives you integration for free | 15:14 |
| toan-tran | n0ano so basically we can re-run tests with import gannt instead of nova? | 15:14 |
| toan-tran | gantt | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | tempest talks directly to the nova cli, so shouldn't need any imports, the unit tests are how we test if we brake the dependence on nova I guess? | 15:14 |
| n0ano | toan-tran, sort of, we want to import scheduler code from gantt but nova specific code (like DB) should come from nova, we don't want to duplicate the nova tree | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | seem like we would need to stop accessing the nova db, and copy the bits that the scheduler needs for its own db? | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | but maybe I am complicating things? | 15:15 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, not sure what you mean, all I know is many python files in gantt/tests import nova objects | 15:15 |
| alaski | yeah, gannt right now needs pretty deep nova knowledge | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, we only need to run the unit tests in the scheduler sub directory though | 15:16 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, it's more than that, it's not just the DB, it things like objects and others | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | Ok, so its import nova, make it run, then cut the links I guess? | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats fair enough | 15:16 |
| toan-tran | johnthetubaguy you're suggesting fork out db, which is no-db approach | 15:16 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, +1 | 15:16 |
| garyk | yup, at the moment it is solely dependant on nova na dwill most probaly need a complete overhaul when we start to add cross service support | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | toan-tran: not really, its cut and paste db code, but importing nova will do the same for now | 15:17 |
| n0ano | garyk, +1 (that's all part of our wold domination plan :-) | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, just not sure if the gate can deal with all this | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | wait, I guess it can, ignore me | 15:17 |
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| garyk | is there anyway to have a symbolic link to the nova master branch in git? | 15:17 |
| alaski | n0ano: adding nova to test-requirements isn't enough? | 15:17 |
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| n0ano | alaski, I might be an idiot, I didn't think of that, let me get back to you, this might be a simple problem. | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, its a bit tricker, you need the version zuul wants to give you and is installed on that machine | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess requiirements file could link to src in /opt/stack/nova or something like that | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | can't remember the details now | 15:19 |
| n0ano | I'm play with it (I've totally corrupted my working gantt tree for now, it'll take me a bit to try this but it sounds promising) | 15:19 |
| n0ano | s/I'm/I'll | 15:20 |
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| n0ano | does anyone have any cycles to look at getting gantt to actually work? e.g. deal with the process startup issues | 15:21 |
| garyk | i may have next week. not sure at the moment though | 15:21 |
| alaski | n0ano: I don't this week, but I'd like to help so I'll stay hopeful for next week | 15:22 |
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| coolsvap | n0ano: I can try this week | 15:22 |
| garyk | sorry, but could not resists, do we have a gantt with what all of our resources are doing? | 15:22 |
| n0ano | not to worry, it'll probably take me most of this week to get the unit tests working, there'll be plenty of work still available next week. | 15:22 |
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| toan-tran | I have a question, stupid maybe, | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: another week it would be yes, sorry | 15:22 |
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| n0ano | toan-tran, go ahead | 15:23 |
| toan-tran | how is that different from having nova-scheduler separated from other nova services, and gannt? | 15:23 |
| toan-tran | in code separation, I mean | 15:23 |
| toan-tran | when I install nova-scheduler separated from others, the nova code is duplicated | 15:24 |
| n0ano | toan-tran, not sure what your question is, what we need is the ability to start a sheduler from the gantt tree, have it call gantt `scheduler` code (calling nova code for DB, objects and what not is OK) | 15:24 |
| toan-tran | installing gantt should be the same, no? | 15:24 |
| toan-tran | I mean, for now, as we have the same code in nova and in gantt | 15:25 |
| n0ano | toan-tran, currently most of the code in the gantt tree includes modules/classes from nova, some of those imports need to be from gantt, some need to remain nova | 15:25 |
| toan-tran | installing gantt on another server is like installing nova-scheduler on it | 15:25 |
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| alaski | toan-tran: gantt needs to be able to use nova like a library for now, not have it in the source tree. while nova-scheduler is installed with it all together | 15:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alaski: +1 | 15:27 |
| n0ano | alaski, what he said | 15:27 |
| toan-tran | ok, so basically we need to tell gantt to use nova code, not use its local lib | 15:27 |
| toan-tran | or import nova lib from somewhere else | 15:27 |
| n0ano | toan-tran, for nova things, for scheduler code we want gantt to include the gantt code | 15:27 |
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| toan-tran | n0ano thanks | 15:29 |
| n0ano | garyk, in re a gantt of our gantt work - not yet, we at the stage where we don't even know what all the tasks are until we do the task... | 15:29 |
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| n0ano | after we get the top 3 goals accomplished I think we can make a more detailed plan | 15:29 |
| toan-tran | wihch step intergrates gantt with nova/keystone? | 15:30 |
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| toan-tran | I mean, for now nova list nova-scheduler in its service list, with host IP and all | 15:31 |
| toan-tran | but gantt is outsider, so basically nova-conductor should contact keystone for its endpoint | 15:31 |
| n0ano | will be running the same code, whether from the gantt tree or the nova tree, so that should work the same | 15:31 |
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| n0ano | note that n-sch already runs as a separate process, that doesn't change | 15:32 |
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| toan-tran | n0ano just tapping in the rabbitmq channel? | 15:32 |
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| n0ano | should do the same taps into the same channel | 15:33 |
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| n0ano | I think that's about all on this subject for now, since boris isn't here johnthetubaguy you wanted to talk about: | 15:35 |
| n0ano | #topic caching scheduler | 15:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I have an idea/blueprint | 15:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/caching-scheduler | 15:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I have a review up | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | good to get your feedback | 15:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | basic idea | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | do expensive things up front | 15:36 |
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| n0ano | one question, how does this fit with the current filters/weights, can you still specify a set of filters | 15:37 |
| garyk | johnthetubaguy: in certain cases we can cache things, but when there are changes to the system it becomes very difficult. do you have some doc describing what you are doing? | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | not really, the idea is it responds to scheduler update in the cache | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | my basic idea, lets try it | 15:38 |
| glikson | johnthetubaguy: interesting idea, will take a look | 15:39 |
| toan-tran | what kind of information/decision that you cache ? | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | I hope we start having many drivers | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | that get documented | 15:39 |
| n0ano | garyk, does raise a good question, what happens when your cache gets stale? | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically cache chose hosts for specific partial request-specs | 15:39 |
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| alaski | yeah. I chatted with johnthetubaguy about this in person last week, and what I really like is starting to have differentiated scheduler drivers that may have different features/characteristics. | 15:40 |
| toan-tran | alaski: meaning ? | 15:40 |
| garyk | alaski: if the work load are homogenous then that could be a nice solution. | 15:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: it has a periodic task to keep the cache fresh | 15:41 |
| alaski | toan-tran: something like, maybe I don't care about supporting affinity/anti-affinity so I can choose a driver that doesn't have it but is blazing fast. Or maybe I dont' care about speed and can use a complex sat solver for all my placements, etc... | 15:42 |
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| glikson | regarding having different drivers -- do we also expect the user-facing APIs to be different? e.g., today's filters/hints? | 15:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hopefully not | 15:43 |
| alaski | glikson: I would expect some change eventually. but I think that should happen anyways. | 15:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | it might be some don't work | 15:43 |
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| alaski | scheduler hints are a poor api right now, because there's no feedback on whether or not they were used | 15:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats very true | 15:44 |
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| glikson | one of the ideas we have been discussing internally was to separate the placement calcuation logic from the logic/API specifying 'inputs' (constraints, etc). right now the two are rather tightly coupled.. | 15:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | my basic points are, lets don't be afraid to break things, try things, but do it in different drivers | 15:45 |
| n0ano | raising questions of latency and recovery from invalid cache entries, theoretically it could work but the devil is in the details. | 15:45 |
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| alaski | glikson: I agree. I think there's a layer of abstraction missing from scheduling | 15:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | glikson: that makes sense | 15:47 |
| glikson | hopefully having the code separately (whatever that means) would make it easier to evolve.. | 15:47 |
| toan-tran | glikson +1 | 15:47 |
| toan-tran | that's when i have to rethink of the gantt API | 15:48 |
| toan-tran | =)) | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | true, when we have an gnatt API then it gets better | 15:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | do people fancy giving this caching a go then? | 15:49 |
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| toan-tran | johnthetubaguy count me in | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | its going to be experimental in icehouse | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | but its worth a whirl | 15:50 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, sounds interesting to me, a proof of concept would be good | 15:50 |
| garyk | johnthetubaguy: i think that it is an intersting direction. | 15:50 |
| coolsvap | johnthetubaguy: yes sounds interesting | 15:50 |
| garyk | it is worth exploring and the fact that you have posted something gives us a way to play around with it | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | I know the current stuff is quite broken right now | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | but its gives you the idea | 15:51 |
| garyk | current schedulre or this :) | 15:51 |
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| toan-tran | it woud be greate if you have a google doc, not necessarity too detailed | 15:51 |
| n0ano | toan-tran, I'd prefer a wiki page, that's pretty standard for what we do. | 15:52 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I can do something like that | 15:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | and attach to the blueprint | 15:52 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, +1 | 15:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | the commit message and blueprint has all the data I have at the moment | 15:53 |
| garyk | would it be possible that people please take a look at the anti affinity patch with the instance groups. | 15:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically an idea, and I am testing it out | 15:53 |
| garyk | hopefully this week there will be the API's for v2 and v3. | 15:53 |
| n0ano | garyk, are those APIs the last bits for this work? | 15:54 |
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| johnthetubaguy | garyk: do we have those blueprints sponsored by anyone yet? | 15:54 |
| garyk | johnthetubaguy: they were approved in havana. we missed the dealine by a week. so it is just carried through. not sure who is sponsoring though | 15:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | garyk: I mean in terms of the nova blueprint process | 15:54 |
| garyk | i do not think that anyone is sponsoring this at the moment. | 15:55 |
| garyk | it was approved prior to the process discussed | 15:55 |
| garyk | any takers? | 15:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, not certain I have time, given all the other stuff, else I would offer, just wondered if anyone else was keen? | 15:55 |
| glikson | if we are open for general discussion, I have similar request for the multi-sched patches.. | 15:56 |
| glikson | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/multiple-scheduler-drivers,n,z | 15:56 |
| n0ano | glikson, I pinged people for reviews at the last nova meeting, looks like that didn't have any impact :-( | 15:56 |
| glikson | n0ano: thanks! we did have one new reviewer recently. | 15:57 |
| glikson | but the comments were mostly syntactical | 15:57 |
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| * n0ano strains to get hand to pat back :-) | 15:57 | |
| garyk | glikson: i have reviewed that pacth a number of times and it is starting to look good | 15:58 |
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| n0ano | coming to the top of the hour, closing in 3... | 15:58 |
| toan-tran | glikson: i'll give it a try | 15:58 |
| n0ano | 2... | 15:59 |
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| mspreitz | garyk: which patch exactly? | 15:59 |
| glikson | grayk: thanks. I hope that it is a matter of fixing small things, and we won't be surprised by major concerns few days/weeks before the feature-freeze.. | 15:59 |
| toan-tran | the last time i saw it was not completed, so not sure what i've seen was kept ... | 15:59 |
| glikson | toan-tran: thanks! | 15:59 |
| n0ano | 1 | 16:00 |
| n0ano | tnx everyone, talk to you next week. | 16:00 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 21 16:00:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-01-21-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-01-21-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-01-21-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
| toan-tran | bye | 16:00 |
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| primeministerp | #startmeeting hyper-v | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 21 16:01:47 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is primeministerp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 16:01 |
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| primeministerp | hi everyone | 16:01 |
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| primeministerp | let's wait a couple of minutes for the others to join | 16:02 |
| pnavarro | hi primeministerp ! | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | hi pedro | 16:03 |
| alexpilotti | hi guys, my IRC client was off, sorry! | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | wondering if luis is coming | 16:03 |
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| primeministerp | ok | 16:04 |
| primeministerp | guess we can begin | 16:04 |
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| primeministerp | #topic CI | 16:04 |
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| primeministerp | so some updates | 16:04 |
| primeministerp | we've got everything running | 16:04 |
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| primeministerp | and are currently finishing up some debugging after a rebalance of our resources | 16:05 |
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| primeministerp | we have additionally complexity of having to use a combination of both iron and virtual resources for each test in our infra due lack of nesting support in hyper-v | 16:05 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: how much more time until we fire the rest up? | 16:06 |
| alexpilotti | we have some issues with Devstack BTW | 16:06 |
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| primeministerp | ahh | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: let's go through everything w/ the rest of the team after this meeting | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | as we have some overlap | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | in time and i'm not aware of those yet | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | had other fires this am | 16:07 |
| ociuhandu | primeministerp: we're solving these now and we should go through all the remaining bits aftter the meeting, i think | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: perfect | 16:07 |
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| primeministerp | so on that note there will be more to come | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | #topic heat | 16:08 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: you had some heat updates? | 16:08 |
| alexpilotti | sure | 16:08 |
| alexpilotti | so, we have AD, MSSQL, Exchange and Sharepoint templates | 16:09 |
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| alexpilotti | we're now looking into all the Linux specific issues | 16:10 |
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| alexpilotti | we need to work on the heat-cfntools to make them compatible with Windows | 16:10 |
| alexpilotti | cloudbase-init works like a charm with heat | 16:11 |
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| alexpilotti | we added also the management for reboots | 16:11 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: execellent work | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | basically if the userdata script returns with a given value, a reboot is triggered and the script gets re-executed on the next boot | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | this way we can handle domain joins, etc | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | Heat's waiting conditions work well for compelx scenarios | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | for example waiting for an AD DC to be provisioned before installing Exchange | 16:12 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: windows is heavy on the "waiting conditions" | 16:13 |
| alexpilotti | we're now looking into how to get cfn-hup to work for using stack-update in a useful way | 16:13 |
| primeministerp | ;) | 16:13 |
| alexpilotti | I synced also with teh Heat guys, and got a BP for that: | 16:13 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: perfect | 16:14 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: do we have any new updates on ovs? | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/windows-instances | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | yep, should we cange topic? | 16:14 |
| primeministerp | #topic openvswitch | 16:14 |
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| alexpilotti | cool | 16:15 |
| alexpilotti | so OVS porting on Windows is geting close to completion | 16:15 |
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| alexpilotti | we have working GRE on the kernel vswitch extension | 16:15 |
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| alexpilotti | and the userspace part is completed on teh stable branch of OVS | 16:16 |
| primeministerp | execellent | 16:16 |
| alexpilotti | patch merging with the OVS community is also going on on the stable branch | 16:16 |
| primeministerp | btw i believe they are starting to take presentation proposals for atlanta | 16:16 |
| alexpilotti | so, if somebody wants to be involved in the beta testing is a good moment :-) | 16:17 |
| primeministerp | we should try to see if we can demo ovs | 16:17 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: you and I should sync on that | 16:17 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: we could beta on the sandbox | 16:17 |
| alexpilotti | yep, CFP ends on the 28th AFAIK | 16:17 |
| primeministerp | of jan? | 16:17 |
| alexpilotti | yep | 16:17 |
| primeministerp | kk | 16:17 |
| alexpilotti | let's sync offline! | 16:18 |
| pnavarro | me ! alexpilotti | 16:18 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: ok! :-) | 16:18 |
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| pnavarro | it's a pity VXLAN is not ready yet, because I have some vxlan deployment with ML2 plugin to test with | 16:19 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: once we have GRE stable, adding VXLAN is going to be fairly easy | 16:21 |
| alexpilotti | now we have an annoying bug on IPv6 to get rid off, the rest works pretty well | 16:21 |
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| primeministerp | grate | 16:23 |
| primeministerp | er great | 16:23 |
| primeministerp | does anyone else have anything to add | 16:23 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: ? | 16:23 |
| pnavarro | nothing to add, thanks | 16:24 |
| primeministerp | if not i"m going to end the meeting | 16:24 |
| primeministerp | thanks alexpilotti | 16:24 |
| primeministerp | #endmeeting | 16:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 21 16:24:35 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2014/hyper_v.2014-01-21-16.01.html | 16:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2014/hyper_v.2014-01-21-16.01.txt | 16:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2014/hyper_v.2014-01-21-16.01.log.html | 16:24 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 21 17:00:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 17:00 |
| hughsaunders | hi boris-42 | 17:01 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders hi | 17:01 |
| boris-42 | who is here?) | 17:01 |
| olkonami1 | hi all! | 17:01 |
| miarmak | hi | 17:01 |
| stannie | hi | 17:01 |
| julienvey | hi | 17:01 |
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| boris-42 | oh seems I am not alone+) I should care what I am saying =) | 17:02 |
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| boris-42 | topic HOT topics | 17:02 |
| boris-42 | #topic HOT topics | 17:02 |
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| hughsaunders | boris-42: ~362 lurkers in this channel | 17:02 |
| jieryn | # | 17:03 |
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| tnurlygayanov_ | )) | 17:03 |
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| boris-42 | lol=) | 17:03 |
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| boris-42 | So topic list: | 17:03 |
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| boris-42 | 1) Rally & Tempest integrration | 17:03 |
| boris-42 | 2) Rally & Running benchmarks against cloud (without admin endpoint) | 17:04 |
| boris-42 | 3) Rally & Multihost deployments | 17:04 |
| boris-42 | 4) Rally & Smart benchmark scenarios | 17:04 |
| boris-42 | checkers | 17:04 |
| boris-42 | 5) Rally as a Service | 17:05 |
| boris-42 | 6) Improvements in Rally CLI | 17:05 |
| boris-42 | 7) Rally & benchmarking performance of VMs | 17:05 |
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| boris-42 | 8) Rally use class instances for benchmark scenarions instead of class objects and classmethods | 17:06 |
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| boris-42 | 9) Rally measuring time of atomic actions | 17:06 |
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| boris-42 | ^ Thats all | 17:06 |
| boris-42 | I will try to use this order in today meeting | 17:07 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Rally & Tempest integration | 17:07 |
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| boris-42 | miarmak pls could you share your results? | 17:07 |
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| boris-42 | (btw guys/girls if you are related to any of this parts prepare your updates) | 17:08 |
| miarmak | boris-42: unfortunately, situation has not changed from yesterday | 17:08 |
| miarmak | main problem - conf generation | 17:08 |
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| boris-42 | miarmak so you are not able to configure correct conf for tempest ^ | 17:08 |
| miarmak | maybe anyone know projects, that have smth same? | 17:08 |
| boris-42 | probably sdague could help us? ^ | 17:09 |
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| hughsaunders | boris-42 mentioned that devstack configures tempest, so this may help: https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/lib/tempest#L66 | 17:09 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders ohhhh | 17:10 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders how much lines of code.. | 17:10 |
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| sdague | boris-42: if it's not a gate issue, I can't really help you this week | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | sdague sure understand you, thank you for fixing gate! | 17:10 |
| hughsaunders | I'm going to attempt to chef-ify that for the stackforge chef cookbooks project | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders how to generate proper config for tempest? | 17:11 |
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| hughsaunders | boris-42: yeah, not started yet, but planning to base it on that devstack function | 17:11 |
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| boris-42 | miarmak hughsaunders could you probably collaborate around this? | 17:12 |
| hughsaunders | Yeah, if I get anywhere I'll ping miarmak with a link | 17:12 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders nice | 17:12 |
| boris-42 | #topic Rally & Running benchmarks against cloud (without admin endpoint) | 17:12 |
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| miarmak | ok | 17:12 |
| miarmak | thanks | 17:12 |
| boris-42 | So first of all | 17:13 |
| boris-42 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/benchmarking-with-predefined-users | 17:13 |
| boris-42 | ^ bp | 17:13 |
| boris-42 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/rally+branch:master+topic:bp/benchmarking-with-predefined-users,n,z | 17:13 |
| boris-42 | patches on review ^ | 17:13 |
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| boris-42 | The idea is simple | 17:13 |
| boris-42 | Now Rally work in next way | 17:14 |
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| boris-42 | get admin endpoints -> create admin clients -> create tmp tenants & users -> run from temp users benchmarks -> cleanup of cloud -> delete tmp users -> FINISH | 17:14 |
| boris-42 | So it's work until we would like to test Public clouds | 17:15 |
| boris-42 | where we don't have admin endpoints | 17:15 |
| boris-42 | So we will add support of running benchmark from bunch of predefined users | 17:15 |
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| boris-42 | input endpoints of non admin users -> create python clients -> run benchmarks -> make non admin cleanups | 17:16 |
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| boris-42 | So if you will have some free time you can spend it reviewing that patches=) | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | Does anybody has any questions?) | 17:16 |
| hughsaunders | seems like a good plan | 17:17 |
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| boris-42 | stannie julienvey thoughts? | 17:18 |
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| stannie | seems good to me also | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | okay nice then we will move just to next topic | 17:18 |
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| boris-42 | #topic 3) Rally & Multihost deployments | 17:18 |
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| boris-42 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/multihost-deploy | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | bp ^ | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:stackforge/rally+branch:master+topic:bp/multihost-deploy,n,z | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | ^ patches | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | This work is already done | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | and should be merged | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | Idea is next | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | we are deploying with separated deployers/provider controller and compute/cinder nodes | 17:20 |
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| boris-42 | so if we choose DevStack it will run N times .stacksh | 17:20 |
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| boris-42 | which will have bad perfromance | 17:20 |
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| boris-42 | so we are deploying controller + N type of Nodes only 1 time | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | (so N+1) call of stack.sh | 17:21 |
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| boris-42 | and then copy pasting LXC containers | 17:21 |
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| boris-42 | which allows us to deploy 1 controller + 128 compute managers for just a 30 minutes | 17:21 |
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| hughsaunders | boris-42: on a single underlying node? | 17:22 |
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| boris-42 | it could use multiply nodes | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | or even OpenStack provider | 17:22 |
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| boris-42 | or even any other provider | 17:22 |
| hughsaunders | like tripple-o undercloud | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders but better=) | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | it doesn't required OpenStack installation | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | it will work with provider that you put | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | Dummy/OpenStack/your_custom_cloud_provider | 17:23 |
| hughsaunders | so how do you determine in config how many lxc containers are created on each underlying node? | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders here is the instruction how to try it http://paste.ubuntu.com/6792218/ | 17:24 |
| stannie | on trello I saw you guys were thinking to integrate Docker, in this case it would simplify this usage. We wouldn't have to copy the LXC containers etc | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | stannie we need | 17:24 |
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| boris-42 | stannie you should install from custom code your OpenStack installation | 17:25 |
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| boris-42 | stannie with any of Deployers (e.g. DevStack/Anvil/Fuel) | 17:25 |
| boris-42 | stannie and then copy/paste installed containers | 17:25 |
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| boris-42 | stannie and then fix all copy/pasted lxc containers | 17:25 |
| boris-42 | stannie there should be fix in nova.conf/cinder.conf/.… to add proper network information (IP/host_name) | 17:26 |
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| boris-42 | stannie and run this components | 17:26 |
| stannie | ye and that's can be done easily with Docker | 17:26 |
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| boris-42 | stannie but I don't see any problems to do it with lxc | 17:26 |
| stannie | ok | 17:26 |
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| stannie | it just asks a little more work | 17:26 |
| boris-42 | stannie https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56222/ | 17:26 |
| boris-42 | stannie 150 lines of code | 17:27 |
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| stannie | ok | 17:27 |
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| boris-42 | stannie but we are as well experimenting with docker | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | stannie to make another future e.g. cloud deployment snaphsot | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | stannie to share cloud+) | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | feature& | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | stannie that is the case where docker can help us | 17:28 |
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| boris-42 | stannie hughsaunders so you can try as well to use this stuff https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56222/ | 17:29 |
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| boris-42 | stannie hughsaunders I will try to make installation today and merge it if it works=) | 17:29 |
| boris-42 | we should move to the next topic | 17:29 |
| boris-42 | #topic 4) Rally & Smart benchmark scenarios | 17:29 |
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| boris-42 | #topic 4) Rally & Smart benchmark scenarios checkers | 17:30 |
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| boris-42 | olkonami1 could you pls share with your resuls | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | olkonami1 seems like work is almost done | 17:30 |
| olkonami1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67157/ | 17:30 |
| olkonami1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68055/ | 17:30 |
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| boris-42 | olkonami1 I mean could you expelling what have you done=) | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | olkonami1 in human way=) | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | olkonami1 btw you should make new blueprint | 17:31 |
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| boris-42 | olkonami1 for your patches | 17:31 |
| hughsaunders | I really like the image_id validator, simple and effective | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders yep there will be at least 2 more | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders for flavor checking | 17:32 |
| olkonami1 | I made decorator that add validators for scenario methods | 17:32 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders and checking that image could be use with flavor | 17:33 |
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| olkonami1 | and this validators should be called when runner starts | 17:34 |
| stannie | ye that's great, we'll be able to add more validator without adding complexity in the method | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | stannie yep and stop execution before starting it=) | 17:35 |
| olkonami1 | now first validator for image_id is implemented | 17:35 |
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| boris-42 | so I hope we will merge this soon | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | #topic 5) Rally as a Service | 17:36 |
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| boris-42 | ogelbukh ping | 17:36 |
| boris-42 | ogelbukh akscram could you guys shares updates? | 17:36 |
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| boris-42 | I will just make now some small introductions. We would like to support 2 versions of Rally in the same time | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | 1 that is service (with deamons) and could be used by corporation to have 1 Rally installation integrated in QA process and simple WEB UI for all operations | 17:38 |
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| boris-42 | another one that is like now just CLI application | 17:38 |
| boris-42 | so ogelbukh akscram are hard working around rally-python client and rally-as-a-service part | 17:38 |
| boris-42 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/rally+branch:master+topic:bp/rally-service-api-v1,n,z | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | and here is the first v.0.1 rally | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | #topic http://docs.rallyapi.apiary.io/ | 17:39 |
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| boris-42 | #topic 4) Rally & Smart benchmark scenarios checkers | 17:40 |
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| boris-42 | #topic 5) Rally as a Service | 17:40 |
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| boris-42 | omg =) | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | #link http://docs.rallyapi.apiary.io/ | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | so if somebody is interstened you are welcome to describe API of Rally | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | #topic 6) Improvements in Rally CLI | 17:41 |
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| boris-42 | stannie julienvey could you share your work | 17:41 |
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| julienvey | i fixed a small bug on cli output | 17:42 |
| julienvey | and currently working on rally use command | 17:42 |
| julienvey | (trying to find the bp) | 17:42 |
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| boris-42 | julienvey to find? | 17:43 |
| julienvey | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/rally-use-command | 17:43 |
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| julienvey | i have had some problem with exporting env vars in python | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | julienvey bp is approved | 17:43 |
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| julienvey | boris-42: it was just to share it :) | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | julienvey =) | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | julienvey so you are still working around ssh stuff | 17:44 |
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| julienvey | i should propose it to review tomorow, but i think it will need some rework | 17:44 |
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| boris-42 | julienvey probably just call from python some bash command | 17:44 |
| boris-42 | julienvey dirty but works=) | 17:44 |
| julienvey | actually it doesn't :( | 17:44 |
| boris-42 | julienvey ah yes.. | 17:44 |
| boris-42 | julienvey there is another way via DB, but not sure that it's okay | 17:45 |
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| julienvey | i went with the way proposed here https://bugs.launchpad.net/rally/+bug/1266439/comments/3 | 17:45 |
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| boris-42 | julienvey or some extra rally tmp fconfig | 17:45 |
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| julienvey | use .pam_environment file to store the env var | 17:46 |
| boris-42 | julienvey yep something like that should work | 17:46 |
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| stannie | I am going to work on "deployment check" subcommand. The subcommand will check keystone auth, get all available services and print names etc. | 17:46 |
| stannie | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/deployment-check-subcommand | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | stannie approved | 17:48 |
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| stannie | thanks | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | stannie julienvey I will be waiting for your patches | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | stannie julienvey as well it will be good to update/add some extra info on wiki page | 17:49 |
| julienvey | boris-42: yes, we have to :) | 17:49 |
| boris-42 | oaky as we have only 10 minutes moving to next topic | 17:49 |
| boris-42 | #topic 7) Rally & benchmarking performance of VMs | 17:50 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov & me are going to start working around this | 17:50 |
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| boris-42 | I wrote some interesting document | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Rally_VMs_Benchmarks | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | The idea is actually as well pretty simple | 17:50 |
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| boris-42 | using the same benchmark engine | 17:51 |
| boris-42 | but in scenarios we will use heat & heat templates | 17:51 |
| boris-42 | that will install HPCC, SPEC and other Benchamrks suits on VMs | 17:51 |
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| boris-42 | run them | 17:51 |
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| boris-42 | then collect data | 17:51 |
| boris-42 | and have for each such benchmark specific type of output data and data processing tool (viewer) | 17:52 |
| boris-42 | that will show most important data + raw output of these benchmarks | 17:52 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders julienvey stannie ^ | 17:53 |
| msdubov | boris-42 How should we implement this viewer? | 17:53 |
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| hughsaunders | boris-42: so will your normalise data before it goes into DB? | 17:53 |
| hughsaunders | *you | 17:53 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders actually we will go to VMs | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders then fetch data from bench suuit | 17:54 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders then store it in DB as is (but with some kind of marker e.g. specWEB2009) | 17:54 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders and we will have viewer that can aggregate this date/or just display as is | 17:55 |
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| boris-42 | so I think that I will publish this to mailing list to get more attention | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | there is a lot of for discussion | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | #topic 9) Rally measuring time of atomic actions | 17:56 |
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| boris-42 | Short introduction | 17:56 |
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| boris-42 | just use decorators e.g. @atomic_action("name_of_action") | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/benchmark/scenarios/nova/utils.py#L28 | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | in such places ^ | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | this patch will measure time of call and put this time in special CLS dict | 17:57 |
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| boris-42 | and scenario runner will add extra field https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/benchmark/runner.py#L60 | 17:58 |
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| boris-42 | ^ here | 17:58 |
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| boris-42 | and then improve CLI to display this data as well | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | as I know stannie is interested in implementing this | 17:59 |
| boris-42 | stannie I right? | 17:59 |
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| boris-42 | am I right?* | 17:59 |
| * hughsaunders has to go, laters | 17:59 | |
| boris-42 | we all have to go=) | 17:59 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders bye | 17:59 |
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| boris-42 | ok we can continue discussion in rally chat | 18:00 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| stevemar | o/ | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 21 18:00:10 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-01-21-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-01-21-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-01-21-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
| stannie | ok | 18:00 |
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| julienvey | have to go to, bye ! | 18:00 |
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| stevemar | keystoners, assemble! | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | hey | 18:00 |
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| bknudson | hi | 18:00 |
| dolphm | bknudson: dstanek: jamielennox: morganfainberg: stevemar: gyee: henrynash: keystone! | 18:01 |
| henrynash | howdy | 18:01 |
| shardy | o/ | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm o/ | 18:01 |
| dolphm | #startmeeting keystone | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 21 18:01:43 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:01 |
| dolphm | #topic Meeting pings | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Meeting pings (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:01 | |
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| dolphm | so i just had a dumb idea to make 10 seconds of my Tuesday easier | 18:02 |
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| gyee | \o | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | i'm going to put the above list (just keystone-core at the moment) onto https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:02 |
| dolphm | if you'd like to be pinged prior to our meetings, add your IRC name to the list and i'll just copy/paste it :) | 18:02 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, copy/paste? ;) | 18:02 |
| bknudson | 10 seconds will really add up over time. | 18:02 |
| topol | o/ | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, you missed ayoung in that list | 18:03 |
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| topol | dolphm can you add topol | 18:03 |
| stevemar | hehe | 18:03 |
| ayoung | I'm here | 18:03 |
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| marekd | hello. | 18:03 |
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| fabiog | hello | 18:04 |
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| dolphm | list is there now | 18:04 |
| jamielennox | hi | 18:04 |
| dolphm | #topic icehouse-2 freeze | 18:04 |
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| dolphm | so, ignoring gate woes for the moment, i bumped revocation-events and kds to i3, although i'd really rather not | 18:05 |
| * ayoung frantically trying to keep up with bknudson reviews on revocation-events | 18:05 | |
| ayoung | tis close | 18:05 |
| dolphm | we have 3 hours to get things *gating* to call them icehouse-2 | 18:05 |
| bknudson | frantically trying to keep up with updates to review | 18:05 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, any stop ships in that latest round? | 18:06 |
| bknudson | ayoung: in revocation events? | 18:06 |
| ayoung | yeah | 18:06 |
| topol | dolphm, anything that is priority to review now? | 18:06 |
| henrynash | i'll try and get list limiting fixed up - it was passing - only question is whether the 'next' pointer method is acceptable | 18:07 |
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| dolphm | i haven't kept up with reviews there at all -- could the patchset be broken down into something that can land today, with trickier bits landing in i3? | 18:07 |
| bknudson | ayoung: I didn't actually review it again. I just looked through my previous comments that weren't addressed in the latest patch | 18:07 |
| bknudson | ayoung: so I'll have to go through and do an actual review to know | 18:07 |
| dolphm | topol: revocation-events, and mapping i'd say | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, did we determine 203 or in-json indicator? | 18:07 |
| ayoung | bknudson, OK | 18:07 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55908/ | 18:07 |
| stevemar | fyi mapping: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60424/ | 18:07 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60424/ | 18:07 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: i'd like this one in i2 | 18:07 |
| * stevemar pokes bknudson to review mapping :P | 18:07 | |
| jamielennox | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67785/ | 18:07 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: the 203 looks dodgy….I think we were misinterpreting the spec | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | once the meeting is done, i'll jump on reviewing those links. | 18:08 |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash, ok fair enough. | 18:08 |
| henrynash | morganfainber: so in-json seems to be the easiest | 18:08 |
| bknudson | stevemar: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60424/ depends on a change that's outdated. | 18:08 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: why is that citing a bug and not a blueprint :( | 18:08 |
| dolphm | i haven't tracked that at all | 18:08 |
| stevemar | bknudson, yeah, idp change just got pushed, so i'm rebasing | 18:08 |
| marekd | stevemar: i'd rather wait :P | 18:09 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: does it warrant a blueprint? | 18:09 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: it warrants milestone tracking of some kind, and it has none | 18:10 |
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| jamielennox | dolphm: sorry, bug targetted to i2 | 18:12 |
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| dolphm | if anyone is interested, i carried over our hackathon whiteboard, sort of, here: https://gist.github.com/dolph/8522191 | 18:14 |
| jamielennox | gyee: thanks | 18:14 |
| ayoung | bknudson, only you could have 90 combined comments on a review and claim "I haven't reviewed it yet." | 18:14 |
| bknudson | ayoung: barely scratched the surface. | 18:15 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: it's a giant patchset :( | 18:15 |
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| gyee | love the name Kite! | 18:16 |
| topol | I'm not buying anymore beers | 18:16 |
| ayoung | topol, oh yes you are | 18:16 |
| gyee | topol was buying beer? | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, ++ | 18:17 |
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| ayoung | Growlers | 18:17 |
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| dolphm | hmm | 18:18 |
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| dolphm | so, since transient gate failures are a hot topic | 18:19 |
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| dolphm | #topic Default to listen on 127.0.0.1 instead of 0.0.0.0 | 18:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Default to listen on 127.0.0.1 instead of 0.0.0.0 (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:19 | |
| dolphm | at bkhudson's request, i restored https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59528/ | 18:19 |
| bknudson | let's be part of the solution for gate problems and not part of the problem. | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: ++ | 18:19 |
| ayoung | So...does 127 makes things better? | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | I really would rather this not be the default. i'd _rather_ this change go into devstack. | 18:20 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: did we determine that this would fix the gate? or that the actual fix must be in devstack and this would just set the precedent | 18:20 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: downvote / -2 then | 18:20 |
| shardy | I still don't understand why things need to be defaulted in the config, and then again in eventlet_server.py | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i wont block it if we really want to go forward with it | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i | 18:20 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: i'm VERY torn on this :( | 18:20 |
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| jamielennox | dolphm: 0.0.0.0 seems like a better default there | 18:21 |
| dolphm | hence i wanted to be the one to propose a solution rather than code review it :P | 18:21 |
| ayoung | 0.0.0.0 means it can be called from off system, 127 does not | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, if we made devstack able to do in single-node mode 127.0.0.1 (and this is the "right fix"), and we still devault to 0.0.0.0 for default | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | it doesn't present an insane default that every single deployer needs to change | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | alternatively... make that default explode keystone | 18:21 |
| bknudson | 0.0.0.0 also means that it will prevent an ephemeral port at 35357 | 18:21 |
| jamielennox | exactly - in almost every deployment call from anywhere is correct, this would mean deployers have to change this | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | no default listen | 18:21 |
| topol | so its saves a very few amount of gate rechecks. what was the downside again? | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | you must pick a listen, i'm ok with that as well. | 18:21 |
| dolphm | ayoung: can you remove your approval on that, pending discussion | 18:22 |
| ayoung | done | 18:22 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: i think you're right - surely this can be set in the devstack gate config | 18:22 |
| ayoung | what is the right behavior, devstack not withstanding? | 18:23 |
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| topol | I thought the impact of this was small enough that fixing it was picking nits | 18:23 |
| topol | (on gate rechecks) | 18:23 |
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| ayoung | If you spin up a Keystone instance, with or without SSL, should you be able to reach it from a remote system by default? | 18:23 |
| topol | jamielennox ++ | 18:23 |
| bknudson | get rechecks are very painful to the infra team. | 18:23 |
| bknudson | they affect all of openstack | 18:24 |
| dolphm | topol: it's the highest priority transient error logged against keystone :) | 18:24 |
| topol | dolphm and the only one | 18:24 |
| bknudson | and are the reason why things are taking 3 days to merge | 18:24 |
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| dolphm | topol: shh (but GOOD WORK EVERYONE!) | 18:24 |
| topol | bknudson, dolphm said this one does not happen that often. | 18:25 |
| bknudson | if it happens at all it's too often | 18:25 |
| bknudson | because of the number of times the gate tests are run | 18:25 |
| topol | OK bknudson, you win! | 18:25 |
| topol | lets fix this | 18:25 |
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| gyee | I am OK with the localhost fix | 18:26 |
| * topol topol owes morganfainberg another beer | 18:26 | |
| dolphm | topol: fwiw, rechecks are fairly low-cost... it's gate failure & gate resets that are incredibly expensive | 18:26 |
| ayoung | We should not be using IP addresses anyway. Should be hostnames.... | 18:26 |
| topol | dolphm, K | 18:26 |
| bknudson | if this should be changed in some test config, then make the change there. | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, if devstack will accept the change, i'd much rather get it there. | 18:27 |
| bknudson | We've got this change and we can approve it right now to prevent us from being part of the gate problem. | 18:27 |
| bknudson | we can revert it later if there's another solution out there. | 18:27 |
| dolphm | does any other project default to listening on localhost? | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, afaik no | 18:28 |
| topol | bknudson is being very pragmatic on this | 18:28 |
| dolphm | i'd rather not be a surprise in that regard :-/ | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | We should update the commit message to state that it should be reverted if a devstack fix goes in | 18:28 |
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| jamielennox | why is this just our problem and not suffered by the other services? | 18:28 |
| jamielennox | is it just that the admin port is in the ephemeral range? | 18:29 |
| ayoung | why are we cahngein localhost to 127 in the doc? 127 should be localhost | 18:29 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: do they use ports in the ephemeral range? | 18:29 |
| topol | isnt there enough runway before m3 that we would know if setting the new value will cause chaos? | 18:29 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: that's doc'd in the bug, but it's that we're using an IANA-assigned port, which falls in linux's ephemeral range (but not in the IANA-defined ephemeral range) | 18:29 |
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| jamielennox | isn't the solution then just to pick another port for devstack? | 18:31 |
| ayoung | how about 443? | 18:32 |
| dolphm | so, there's a lot of possible solutions with upsides/downsides | 18:32 |
| dolphm | ayoung: that's one. | 18:32 |
| gyee | jamielennox, not really, unless you want to change the service catalog | 18:32 |
| dolphm | 35357 can be an exception to the ephemeral range in linux | 18:32 |
| dolphm | 35357 can be changed to something else in devstack, but that would be very odd and cause documentation / UX issues | 18:33 |
| dolphm | the ephemeral range can be reduced, but that's just nasty | 18:33 |
| dolphm | especially as a fix for something like this | 18:33 |
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| ayoung | OK...forgetting everything else, should Keystone listen on 127.0.0.1 (localhost)by default? It is not a production level default. What is our stance? Is Keystone ready for production out the gate, or do you need to customize? I know we said we needed to customize the values in auth_token middleware in deployment. Is this comparable? | 18:34 |
| jamielennox | gyee: well devstack will provision the service catalog based on the port you give it | 18:34 |
| bknudson | ayoung: 0.0.0.0 isn't a production level default either. | 18:34 |
| bknudson | they'll need to configure the system for the interfaces they want to listen on. | 18:34 |
| dolphm | ayoung: the rest of our keystone.conf is generally geared for minimally production-friendly defaults | 18:34 |
| ayoung | bknudson, its the only IP address based default that we can rely on. | 18:35 |
| dolphm | bknudson: keyword "minimally" ;) | 18:35 |
| jamielennox | it just seems that having devstack use a different port is a way less surprising fix | 18:35 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: i think that would be *very* surprising to openstack manuals, all the blog authors out there, curl examples, our own docs, etc | 18:36 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, nah, that will mess people up, too, as the AUTH_URL is usually pre-canned with the Keystone port. | 18:36 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: I also see no problem with 0.0.0.0 in production if you are running the services on a controller machine | 18:37 |
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| jamielennox | dolphm: it's set as an environment variable only in the gate - but i do get what you mean | 18:37 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: link? | 18:37 |
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| ayoung | So, if Keystone were to listen on an known public IP address for the machine, would that still have the ephemeral problem? I'm thinking it would | 18:39 |
| ayoung | problem is that we have port 35357 | 18:39 |
| ayoung | We'd effectively break devstack's multi-node capability. And the same would be true for anything taking its cue from Devstack | 18:39 |
| bknudson | ayoung: apparently the only time it has a problem with ephemeral ports (outbound) is when it's listening on 0.0.0.0 | 18:39 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/lib/keystone#L65 | 18:39 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: what the hell is the next line? 35358? | 18:40 |
| jamielennox | lol, i have no idea | 18:40 |
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| jamielennox | oh, it's for tls-proxy | 18:40 |
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| jamielennox | if you enable tls-proxy it runs on 35357 and then redirects to a keystone running on 35358 | 18:41 |
| dolphm | ah | 18:41 |
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| dolphm | 5000 and 5001 behave the same way | 18:41 |
| ayoung | can't we "claim" an ephemeral port? | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | as a deployer (and I also polled my coworkers) it's dumb to listen on 127.0.0.1 by default. default should be minimally functional for general usecase | 18:41 |
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| morganfainberg | they also said that they'd not mind if keystone exploded if you didn't set a bind (e.g. must pick in all cases) | 18:42 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: ? | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | but changing to 127.0.0.1 would open the door for subtle broken behavior (can't access from another node by default) | 18:42 |
| jamielennox | anyway so exporting KEYSTONE_AUTH_PORT=9999 (random value) in gate runs would solve this | 18:42 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: subtle for newbies is no fun | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, exactly | 18:43 |
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| jamielennox | anyone _relying_ on 35357 is wrong anyway | 18:43 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: explain? | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | figured i'd ask guys who run keystone every day their opinion | 18:43 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, yeah, but we'll still break the gate, which is not what we want to accomplish | 18:43 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, wouldn't that be the public IP of the Keystone server? | 18:44 |
| dolphm | the gate fix is really on the devstack side; i saw https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59528/ as just a first step | 18:44 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, we fronted Keystone with Apigee, LG, reverse proxies, etc in production :) | 18:44 |
| jamielennox | well everything does a first touch of keystone via 5000 to retrieve the auth_url, all we should need to do is set the admin url down into the non-ephemeral range | 18:44 |
| gyee | LB | 18:44 |
| dolphm | going to abandon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59528/ unless anyone is really in favor of it | 18:44 |
| dolphm | gyee: as you should | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, right, but that doesn't change 35357 issue | 18:44 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: why would it break the gate? | 18:44 |
| ayoung | is the problem that 0.0.0.0 somehow blocks the outgoing ports? All Outgoing and incoming 0.0.0.0 come from the same pool? | 18:44 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: true for newer tools, for sure | 18:44 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, cuz someone somewhere is hard coding 35357 | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, basically... if something else is using 35357 as ephemeral, we don't start | 18:45 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: i'm only worried about the gate here | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, it happens ~1 time a day in infra | 18:45 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, dolphm, we run Keystone in dedicated boxes, I would imagine everyone does in production | 18:45 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, so am I | 18:45 |
| ayoung | can we retry if 35357 is not available? | 18:45 |
| gyee | so this is really a devstack gate fix | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, no, we use keystyone on shared boxes, not hypervisors | 18:45 |
| jamielennox | if someone within the gate has hardcoded to 35357 then that's a bug to fix | 18:45 |
| dolphm | gyee: dedicated macbook pros all the way | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, but shared resources | 18:45 |
| ayoung | sleep 1; retry ; sleep 5; retry; sleep 10; retry, give up? | 18:46 |
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| gyee | ayoung, find the process using that port, kill it :) | 18:46 |
| gyee | then retry | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, depends on how long lived the use of the port is, but it should reduce the scope by some doing that | 18:46 |
| ayoung | gyee, I don't want to give Keystone the power to kill other processes | 18:46 |
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| topol | 1 time a day. For one time a day cant we wait till devstack fixes it? | 18:47 |
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| dolphm | topol: let's contribute the fix to devstack! | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | i think the best bet is to make devstack force a listen on 127.0.0.1 in single node | 18:47 |
| gyee | ayoung, like stop squatting on my port! | 18:47 |
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| topol | dolphm, agreed | 18:47 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, nope | 18:47 |
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| dolphm | gyee: according to linux, it's not your port ;) | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, no? | 18:47 |
| ayoung | devstack doesn't know it is going to be single node | 18:47 |
| dolphm | ayoung: why not? | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i think it does | 18:48 |
| ayoung | you run an additional devstack on a second machine, and link it to the first | 18:48 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, really? i thought it had more smarts than that *admittedly, i haven't tried* | 18:48 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, its one of the ways it can be run, and what I would expect most people to do: set up a minimal install, make sure it runs, then add additional machines | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | this sounds like something that needs to be changed in the devstack-gate config then | 18:49 |
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| morganfainberg | and explicitly there. | 18:49 |
| ayoung | so, if my machine has a "public" ip of 10.10.2.12 can I listed on 10.10.2.12:35357 without conflicting on the ephemeral port? | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, if nothing else is using it yes. it doesn't matter | 18:50 |
| gyee | according to bknudson, yes | 18:50 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i think you'd be okay there unless something else explicitly was listening on the same interface + port | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i believe that is how it wokrs | 18:50 |
| ayoung | what is it that we are tripping on that has the ephemeral port open in practice? | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, anything. | 18:51 |
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| ayoung | in practice | 18:51 |
| bknudson | ayoung: it's just some random application opens a connection to something | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, it's random, not consistent | 18:51 |
| ayoung | in devstack runs that fail? | 18:51 |
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| ayoung | these are dedicated machines, we should be able to tell | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, could be apt, could be git, could be... uhm,, http? | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, could be any request to an external place | 18:51 |
| gyee | I blame pip | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, and i think it isn't consistent. | 18:52 |
| ayoung | outgoing requests should be separate from incoming, I thought | 18:52 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, bi-directional, ephemeral ports are used for that | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | morganfainberg: in which case wouldn't it be up to the administrator to decided how to solve best? | 18:52 |
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| morganfainberg | lbragstad, the easiest way is to change the ephemeral port range for the box to match the IANA numbers published | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad, the "most correct way" that is | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad, linux doesn't adhere to that RFC by default | 18:53 |
| bknudson | anyone using the default config will wind up with keystone failing to start every once in a while because of this | 18:53 |
| ayoung | sudo echo "49152 65535" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_local_port_range | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, doesn't solve anything running before devstack starts | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, which is why devstack ditched that | 18:53 |
| ayoung | they can do it on the gate machines in rc.d | 18:54 |
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| ayoung | rc.local | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | that could. | 18:54 |
| dolphm | ayoung: you can also just register a single exception (35357) | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | they could | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | but i think they were resistent to that change | 18:54 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: but, what morganfainberg said | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | requires custom images | 18:54 |
| ayoung | "we fear change:" | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, "we fear changes we have to make every single time we update other things" | 18:55 |
| ayoung | lets push for Devstack to run Keystone from HTTP using 443 | 18:55 |
| ayoung | HTTPD | 18:55 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: it's not so much the change, so much as it becomes a hacky fix. devstack should on *any* supported image | 18:55 |
| gyee | 443 is https | 18:55 |
| ayoung | gyee, that is why I didn't say 80 | 18:55 |
| ayoung | 5 minutes left | 18:55 |
| dolphm | ayoung: but you said http | 18:56 |
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| ayoung | twas a typo I corrected immediately after. | 18:56 |
| topol | doesnt devstack have an apache running with swift and possibly using the http ports? | 18:56 |
| gyee | lets run devstack on windows :) | 18:56 |
| ayoung | topol, that will work anyways | 18:56 |
| bknudson | ok, so we're not going to fix the gate problem we're causing? | 18:56 |
| ayoung | http://wiki.openstack.org/URLs | 18:56 |
| topol | ayoung, no conflict? | 18:56 |
| ayoung | nope | 18:56 |
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| ayoung | So long as the WSGI apps do something like /keystone vs /swift | 18:57 |
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| jamielennox | topol: it has apache for keystone too but it defaults to running on 35357 | 18:57 |
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| topol | jamielennox, OK | 18:57 |
| ayoung | which is why we can't just change to listening on 443, we need to use Apache to manage between the WSGI apps | 18:58 |
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| * topol wonder what sdague thinks is the proper fix. He'll get to make the final decision anyway | 18:59 | |
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| * topol let him decide | 18:59 | |
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| ayoung | I think the retry | 18:59 |
| bknudson | retry will mean it fails less often | 19:00 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, short of abandoning the ephemeral port, there aren't good option here. | 19:00 |
| ayoung | fewest things changing, and it would be possible to layer another, more draconian fix on it later | 19:00 |
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| topol | the transient gate fail will not have been officially removed | 19:00 |
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| jamielennox | that's time guys | 19:01 |
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| lbragstad | continue this in -dev? | 19:01 |
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| gyee | ++ | 19:01 |
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| pleia2 | dolphm: can you #endmeeting ? | 19:02 |
| clarkb | pleia2: you can do it after 60 minutes from start of meeting | 19:03 |
| dolphm | #endmeeting | 19:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 21 19:03:12 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-01-21-18.01.html | 19:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-01-21-18.01.txt | 19:03 |
| dolphm | pleia2: apologies! | 19:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-01-21-18.01.log.html | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | thanks :) | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 21 19:03:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
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| pleia2 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
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| pleia2 | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:03 |
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| pleia2 | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-01-14-19.02.html | 19:04 |
| pleia2 | last meeting minutes, fungi had a number but he's on plane | 19:05 |
| fungi | around-ish | 19:05 |
| pleia2 | fungi: any updates from last meeting action items worth mentioning? | 19:05 |
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| zaro | o/ | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | zaro: as of this morning, I believe you and clarkb are still looking at the scp race condition issues? | 19:06 |
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| zaro | yes, got a fix, just testing it now. | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | mordred: any meeting-worth updates on manage-projects failures? | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | zaro: great! | 19:06 |
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| fungi | pleia2: i'd have to pull up the meeting minutes, so better to just assume i need most of those action items reapplied | 19:07 |
| mordred | pleia2: nope. I ran it several times by hand to try to catch a fail | 19:07 |
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| mordred | pleia2: so far, that has been unsuccessful | 19:07 |
| pleia2 | mordred: still at "puppet is doing something weird to make it fail" then? | 19:07 |
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| mordred | yeah. that's the current unproven working theory | 19:07 |
| * pleia2 nods | 19:07 | |
| mordred | I need to set up a new testbed thing that I can hammer on with a big hammer | 19:08 |
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| pleia2 | ok, going to #action a bunch now, we can follow up next week on others that need to be removed when people are not so flying | 19:08 |
| fungi | i did get mordred's creds reinstated | 19:09 |
| pleia2 | #action reed to talk to smarcet and find a mentor to help him get through the CI learning curve faster | 19:09 |
| mordred | \o/ | 19:09 |
| fungi | and there was one other on there... i got the trpleo credentials tested | 19:09 |
| pleia2 | #action mordred to continue looking into manage-projects failures | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | fungi, clarkb - thoughts on timing for -metering to -telemetry rename? | 19:10 |
| jeblair | mordred: your groups: http://paste.openstack.org/show/61640/ | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | #action fungi upgrade jenkins.o.o and jenkins01 to match 02-04 | 19:11 |
| fungi | clarkb: how's this weekend? | 19:11 |
| fungi | i'll be home friday night unless winter weather delays flights through chicago | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | #action fungi move graphite whisper files to faster volume | 19:11 |
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| pleia2 | #action fungi prune obsolete whisper files automatically on graphite server | 19:11 |
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| pleia2 | #action fungi request org.openstack group in sonatype jira for maven nexus | 19:11 |
| clarkb | fungi: mornings are fine | 19:12 |
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| fungi | that one is back-burner as it turns out, since we don't need it (should also be org.stackforge instead) | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | #undo | 19:12 |
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| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x3a8b6d0> | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | #action clarkb to rename stackforge/cookbook-openstack-metering to -telemetry | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | (had to give one to not fungi!) | 19:13 |
| fungi | we can action it when the clouddocs-maven group decides how they're doing releases | 19:13 |
| pleia2 | ok, great | 19:13 |
| pleia2 | ok, that's it for action items from last meeting | 19:13 |
| pleia2 | #topic Trove testing | 19:13 |
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| mordred | jeblair: thanks! | 19:13 |
| pleia2 | mordred, any updates? (I don't see hub_cap or SlickNik here) | 19:13 |
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| pleia2 | going to go with "no" or "check in with the others" so we can move along | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | #topic Tripleo testing (lifeless, pleia2, fungi) | 19:16 |
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| pleia2 | we had some -infra patches merged last week related to this (thanks fungi!) | 19:16 |
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| pleia2 | not much else to report on the infra side right now I don't think | 19:17 |
| pleia2 | lifeless: you have anything to add? (otherwise we just pick up the less-infra parts of this topic in the tripleo meeting) | 19:18 |
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| fungi | i think he was working on some of the nodepoo prep scripts which needed tweaking still to get servers to build successfully | 19:19 |
| fungi | nodepool | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | dependency-wise, right? | 19:19 |
| mordred | nodepoo | 19:20 |
| fungi | i don't recall the details there | 19:20 |
| mordred | I'm a child | 19:20 |
| lifeless | fungi: pleia2 hi yes | 19:20 |
| lifeless | theres a patch from deryck | 19:20 |
| lifeless | and we need to turn nodepool on | 19:20 |
| lifeless | then we'll start to see how far it gets | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | ok cool, I'll have a look at that in a bit | 19:21 |
| gothicmindfood | mordred: you need to make that tshirt for the next design summit | 19:21 |
| lifeless | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67958/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67685/ | 19:21 |
| lifeless | ^ neither should affect anyone else at all | 19:21 |
| pleia2 | great | 19:22 |
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| pleia2 | looks like next two agenda items it looks like we covered in action items review: Requested StackForge project rename (fungi, clarkb, zhiwei) & Ongoing new project creation issues (mordred) | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | #topic Pip 1.5 readiness efforts (fungi, mordred) | 19:22 |
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| fungi | yup | 19:23 |
| mordred | 1.5.1 is out | 19:23 |
| fungi | reqs integration jobs work again, as much as any jobs are working at the moment | 19:23 |
| fungi | virtualenv 1.11.1 was coming earlier than pip 1.5.1 i thought, but i haven't seen it yet | 19:24 |
| fungi | maybe that plan changed | 19:24 |
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| mordred | fungi: 1.11.1 is on pypi | 19:24 |
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| fungi | yup, just saw it | 19:24 |
| fungi | slow browsing on the plane | 19:25 |
| fungi | so in theory we could lift our 1.10.1 pin when we're ready to babysit that | 19:25 |
| fungi | maybe that's an action item | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | who wants that one? | 19:26 |
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| pleia2 | ok, we can give it to mordred this week and reshuffle as needed :) | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | #action mordred to lift virtualenv 1.10.1 pin when we're ready to babysit it | 19:27 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:27 |
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| pleia2 | #topic OpenID provider project (fungi, reed) | 19:27 |
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| pleia2 | no reed here today | 19:28 |
| fungi | i've got an action item to describe the bits of automation which are still mssing so that mrmartin can help smarcet get it done | 19:28 |
| * pleia2 nods | 19:29 | |
| pleia2 | #topic Graphite cleanup (fungi) | 19:29 |
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| pleia2 | we had to reaction a bunch of graphite stuff, I assume "ongoing" here too? | 19:29 |
| fungi | this is still untouched. got too busy, though someone fixed it yesterday when it toppled over | 19:30 |
| pleia2 | someone fixing it \o/ | 19:30 |
| fungi | as in got it running again | 19:30 |
| clarkb | it wasn't me. I was curious who that was as well. guessing jeblair | 19:30 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 19:30 |
| jeblair | nope | 19:30 |
| fungi | must have been mordred | 19:30 |
| anteaya | an elf | 19:30 |
| anteaya | we have a helpful elf | 19:30 |
| jeblair | i logged in and everything looked normal. busy but normal. | 19:30 |
| mordred | wasn't me | 19:30 |
| fungi | huh. weird | 19:31 |
| jeblair | also, while i noticed a gap in some graphs, i did not see it in all | 19:31 |
| jeblair | possibly a data reporting problem from one source? | 19:31 |
| jeblair | network dropping udp packets? | 19:31 |
| fungi | okay, so whoever said it fell over and someone fixed it speculating | 19:31 |
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| fungi | er, was speculating | 19:31 |
| pleia2 | #topic Upgrade gerrit (zaro) | 19:32 |
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| zaro | review-dev.o.o has the upgraded gerrit (ver 2.8) | 19:32 |
| zaro | I believe I've also enbable all features requested in upgrade etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gerrit-2.8-upgrade | 19:33 |
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| zaro | I've also created a semi-automated upgrade script #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gerrit_upgrade_script | 19:33 |
| zaro | it's ready to go whenever we want to flip the switch. | 19:34 |
| jeblair | zaro: has it been tested with git-review and zuul? | 19:34 |
| jeblair | zaro: also, gerritbot and the jeepyb hooks? | 19:34 |
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| zaro | i have been using git review and that seems fine. however i have not tested with zuul. | 19:35 |
| jeblair | could switch zuul-dev to point at it | 19:35 |
| zaro | i have not looked into gerritbot nor jeepyb integrations. | 19:35 |
| zaro | i assumed a zuul was already pointing at gerrit-dev. but it isn't? | 19:36 |
| jeblair | zaro: i think the last thing we did with zuul-dev was point it at prod gerrit to load test jenkins | 19:36 |
| zaro | ok. i'll put that on my tdl. i'll also reveiw gerritbot and jeepyb integrations to see what to test there. | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | #action zaro to point zuul-dev at gerrit-dev | 19:38 |
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| pleia2 | #action zaro to review gerritbot and jeepyb integrations with new gerrit | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | anything else? | 19:38 |
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| clarkb | yes, zuul changes last week | 19:39 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: not sure if you caught this, but zuuls scratch git space is running on a tmpfs | 19:39 |
| pleia2 | (I meant for this topic :)) | 19:39 |
| jeblair | clarkb: (i saw; clever) | 19:39 |
| clarkb | oh this topic, sorry I am bad at context switching right now | 19:40 |
| pleia2 | #topic Private gerrit for security reviews (zaro, fungi) | 19:40 |
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| zaro | this is on hold, nothing new to report. | 19:40 |
| pleia2 | I think we're still waiting on this for the 2.8 upgrade of regular gerrit | 19:40 |
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| pleia2 | Savanna testing (SergeyLukjanov) | 19:40 |
| pleia2 | #topic Savanna testing (SergeyLukjanov) | 19:40 |
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| pleia2 | SergeyLukjanov: any updates here? | 19:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | nothing realling interesting / new | 19:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | still waiting for review on patches for tempest | 19:41 |
| pleia2 | #topic Jenkins SCP Plugin fix for Elastic Search (clarkb, zaro) | 19:41 |
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| pleia2 | mentioned this one earlier, testing is happening now | 19:41 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | btw, after the first savanna api tests will be merged into the tempest, I'd like to enable them for savanna as voting (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68066/) | 19:41 |
| clarkb | after updating the SCP plugin to handle new jenkins we realized it was done running jobs and emitting 0mq events that could be processed before console logs had even begun to start witing on the log server | 19:42 |
| clarkb | this meant that the logstash machinery got 404s and those logs weren't processed. now we wait for the file to be created before continuing the job but there was a small bug in that that allowed jobs to get stuck (manually killing them fixes the problem) | 19:42 |
| clarkb | fix for latest bug is being tested now by zar | 19:42 |
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| fungi | (zar is pirate pizza) | 19:43 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 19:44 |
| pleia2 | ok, thanks clarkb and zaro | 19:44 |
| pleia2 | #topic Open Discussion | 19:44 |
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| pleia2 | now, all the other things! | 19:44 |
| mordred | I had some lovely parsnips and brussels sprouts last night in a mustard sauce. is that off topic? | 19:45 |
| fungi | my flight is finally taking off. i will supposedly have 40 minutes to catch my connecting flight in vegas. no time for slot machines | 19:45 |
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| pleia2 | while jeblair and I had an 8 hour layover in Auckland we finally got all those historic publications up on our site, yay! http://docs.openstack.org/infra/publications/ | 19:45 |
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| mordred | fungi: there are slot machiens in the airport - you can totally slot in 40 minutes | 19:45 |
| fungi | 8 hour layover? crazy | 19:46 |
| mordred | pleia2: woot! | 19:46 |
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| jeblair | fungi: it was in the air new zealand lounge which had an automatic pancake making machine. i'm not complaining. | 19:46 |
| fungi | neat | 19:47 |
| fungi | pancake dispenser | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | it was pretty neat | 19:47 |
| clarkb | I do want to point out that the git operations that zuul does do seem to get slower over time | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | maybe https://github.com/openstack-ci can go away now? :) | 19:47 |
| clarkb | the tmpfs is definitely better, but I believe performance is degrading there too | 19:47 |
| anteaya | clarkb: :( | 19:47 |
| mordred | clarkb: that doesn't seem nice | 19:47 |
| clarkb | and ideas on why that may happen? do we need to gc and pacl more often? | 19:47 |
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| anteaya | did you upgrade git? | 19:47 |
| clarkb | anteaya: we did not, local very unscientific testing showed it would not help much | 19:48 |
| anteaya | I know you discussed upgrading git | 19:48 |
| anteaya | okay | 19:48 |
| clarkb | granted that was some very simple cases being tested | 19:48 |
| jeblair | clarkb: sanity check that we're packing once/day? | 19:48 |
| clarkb | jeblair: /me checks | 19:48 |
| clarkb | 7 4 * * 0 looks like it | 19:48 |
| clarkb | oh wait | 19:49 |
| clarkb | ahahahahahaha | 19:49 |
| clarkb | hrm that shouldn't matter | 19:49 |
| anteaya | what? | 19:49 |
| fungi | that's weekly, yeah? | 19:50 |
| clarkb | its not providing a working dir for the git pack but git pack doesn't need one | 19:50 |
| jeblair | yeah, that is weekly | 19:50 |
| clarkb | yeah the 0 at the end | 19:51 |
| clarkb | should we s/0/*/ | 19:51 |
| jeblair | still... | 19:51 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I think the thrash is a big part of it | 19:51 |
| jeblair | root@zuul:/var/lib/zuul/git/openstack/nova/.git# ls -la packed-refs | 19:51 |
| jeblair | -rw-rw-rw- 1 zuul zuul 1856171 Jan 21 03:15 packed-refs | 19:51 |
| jeblair | root@zuul:/var/lib/zuul/git/openstack/nova/.git# wc -l packed-refs | 19:51 |
| jeblair | 19834 packed-refs | 19:51 |
| jeblair | root@zuul:/var/lib/zuul/git/openstack/nova/.git# find refs/|wc -l | 19:51 |
| jeblair | 2857 | 19:51 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: zuul is created hundres of refs * number of resets | 19:52 |
| jeblair | it seemed to pack refs this morning, and the bulk of the current refs are packed | 19:52 |
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| jeblair | i wonder if gitpython deals with large numbers of refs or objects particularly poorly. | 19:53 |
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| clarkb | well change pushed, we can think over it in review | 19:54 |
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| fungi | it did seem much snappier when zuul was operating on fresh clones, but i have no empirical evidence, just perception | 19:56 |
| ttx | might be 2 min late for tc meeting, switching locations | 19:56 |
| clarkb | fungi: it was, the entire zuul git operations were sub 2 seconds then compared to 9-15 | 19:56 |
| clarkb | fungi: it is now about 5 seconds | 19:56 |
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| pleia2 | ok, sounds like we're done, thanks everyone | 19:59 |
| pleia2 | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 21 19:59:08 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-01-21-19.03.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-01-21-19.03.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-01-21-19.03.log.html | 19:59 |
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| ttx | Anyone here for the TC meeting ? | 20:01 |
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| lifeless | yes | 20:01 |
| anteaya | o/ | 20:01 |
| lifeless | sadly | 20:01 |
| devananda | o/ | 20:01 |
| markmc | hey | 20:01 |
| lifeless | three hours of meeting wednesday | 20:02 |
| ttx | russellb, annegentle, mikal, mordred, jgriffith, vishy, markmcclain, jeblair, sdague : around ? | 20:02 |
| lifeless | or is it four | 20:02 |
| russellb | o/ | 20:02 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:02 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | at least you don't have asnowy, sunny mountain screaming a tyou you would be better off on the slopes | 20:02 |
| annegentle | o/ | 20:02 |
| lifeless | ttx: no, I have sunny water for boating... | 20:02 |
| jeblair | o/ | 20:02 |
| markmc | boating vs skiing | 20:03 |
| markmc | there's a choice | 20:03 |
| ttx | ok, we are enough, let's do this | 20:03 |
| markmc | depends on the boat | 20:03 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 21 20:03:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:03 |
| lifeless | sailboat of course | 20:03 |
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| markmc | lifeless, of course :) | 20:03 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:03 |
| mikal | Hi | 20:03 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 20:03 |
| ttx | #topic Clarify "Project must be part of the integrated gate" as a graduation requirement | 20:03 |
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| ttx | Last week during the incubation status review there was a lot of confusion around this requirement | 20:03 |
| ttx | Mostly around a chicken-and-egg issue (project can't be a true part of integrated gate until it's actually integrated) | 20:03 |
| ttx | So I would like us to clarify this requirement | 20:04 |
| lifeless | whats confusing? | 20:04 |
| ttx | sdague: could you explain what you had in mind when you originally mentioned it ? | 20:04 |
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| sdague | ttx: it's a graduation requirement | 20:04 |
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| ttx | lifeless: (project can't be a true part of integrated gate until it's actually integrated, so requiring it pre-graduation is a bit weird) | 20:04 |
| sdague | so when we cut Juno | 20:04 |
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| sdague | the projects we say are in Juno would be sharing a gate job | 20:05 |
| ttx | graduation to become part of Juno happens before we release Icehouse | 20:05 |
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| lifeless | ttx: the integrated gate isn't defined as 'the integrated API projects' is it? I thought it was 'the gate that zuul has that has all the symmetrically tested projects' | 20:05 |
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| sdague | so graduation for Juno is actually Juno release day | 20:05 |
| lifeless | ttx: and thus includes clients, helpers, oslo libraries and more | 20:05 |
| sdague | in my terminology | 20:05 |
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| sdague | not attaining integrated status | 20:06 |
| sdague | maybe my wording was bad | 20:06 |
| lifeless | ttx: so I think its a terminology issue | 20:06 |
| ttx | sdague: they graduate and undergo a full cycle of development before being included in a final release | 20:06 |
| russellb | i think that's what we're trying to clear up :) | 20:06 |
| sdague | yeh, ok, pick a different word | 20:06 |
| mordred | I had understood this to mean that the project in question had a dvsm-tempest job that it gated on, so that we could verify that, on graduation, all we'd need to do to have them in the integrated gate would be to change some defaults in teh global gate | 20:06 |
| lifeless | russellb: fair enough | 20:06 |
| ttx | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/NewProjects | 20:06 |
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| russellb | mordred: that works | 20:06 |
| sdague | if you are integrated by the time yuo get to the stable release with your inclusion, there are things yuo need to do | 20:07 |
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| lifeless | mordred: I think we should require symmetric gating | 20:07 |
| vishy | o/ sorry guys, last meeting went 5 min over | 20:07 |
| mordred | we canont require symmetrical gating | 20:07 |
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| ttx | mordred: yes, that would work for me | 20:07 |
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| mordred | as a requirement to determine if we'll add you to the symmetric gate | 20:07 |
| ttx | just wanted to make sure everyone is on hte same page | 20:07 |
| lifeless | mordred: not as a requirement to be added to the symmetric gate, but as a requirement for graduation | 20:07 |
| sdague | ttx: so what do we call the transition of a project to it's first stable release? | 20:07 |
| ttx | one of the first thing they add during that common dev cycle after they graduate is that gate integration | 20:07 |
| mordred | we do not gate integrated projects on non-integrated projects | 20:07 |
| mordred | nor do I think we should | 20:08 |
| russellb | +1 | 20:08 |
| lifeless | mordred: we gate on projects that are not part of the integrated release | 20:08 |
| ttx | sdague: its first integrated development cycle ? | 20:08 |
| mordred | lifeless: no, we do not | 20:08 |
| russellb | i think a gate job for the project that clearly demonstrates that it'd be easy to flip the switch to have it in the integrated gate is enough | 20:08 |
| lifeless | mordred: so python-novaclient isn't gated on ? | 20:08 |
| sdague | russellb: +1 | 20:08 |
| ttx | mordred: would you care to suggest a wording to replace that line from the graduation-requirements doc ? | 20:08 |
| devananda | ttx: "graduate and undergo a full cycle of development ..." -- this means projects which might graduate this cycle would NOT be included in Icehouse release. is taht correct? | 20:08 |
| mordred | lifeless: server projects | 20:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | russellb, fwiw agreed | 20:08 |
| jeblair | russellb: yes, that's what i was envisioning. | 20:09 |
| ttx | devananda: yes | 20:09 |
| mordred | russellb: ++ | 20:09 |
| russellb | sdague: if that was the original intent, we just need to clarify the wording, and i think we're good ... | 20:09 |
| devananda | ttx: k, thanks for clarifying that | 20:09 |
| ttx | projects graduating at the end of the icehouse cycle are to be patr of the full Juno cycle | 20:09 |
| annegentle | I like the graduate plus undergo full cycle fwiw | 20:09 |
| sdague | russellb: yes, that was the original intent | 20:09 |
| russellb | cool | 20:09 |
| ttx | that lets us catch up on all those things | 20:09 |
| russellb | I can propose an update if you want, or you can, whichever | 20:09 |
| sdague | ttx: ok, come up with a word for what Trove does when we get to Icehouse | 20:09 |
| ttx | and give them equal footing in summit/meetigs | 20:09 |
| sdague | all we need is a word for that event | 20:09 |
| sdague | then this is clear | 20:09 |
| ttx | sdague: "makes its first integrated release" | 20:09 |
| sdague | ok, that's the word | 20:10 |
| ttx | "release" would be the word | 20:10 |
| markmc | yeah, the interesting part is the start of the cycle | 20:10 |
| ttx | as in "there is one full cycle beween graduation and release" | 20:10 |
| ttx | any volunteer to submit a wording clarification ? | 20:10 |
| ttx | mordred, sdague ? | 20:10 |
| sdague | ok, so I'm confused how people were reading the doc before. Because graduation == release to me. As there is a separate section on integration | 20:11 |
| devananda | sdague: taht was my reading as well | 20:11 |
| mordred | graduation == "be accepted into the intgrated gate" | 20:11 |
| ttx | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/NewProjects has a diagram that should make it clear | 20:11 |
| mordred | release == "be released as part of the integrated release" | 20:11 |
| markmc | let's draft here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/graduation-gate-requirement | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | inagural? | 20:12 |
| * markmc copies and pastes | 20:12 | |
| devananda | hence my confusion around testing Ironic this cycle. it sounds like we dont need to get all the testing up by Icehouse to graduate | 20:12 |
| devananda | which was part of the requirement, i thought | 20:12 |
| mordred | devananda: you do | 20:12 |
| devananda | mordred: asymmetric? | 20:12 |
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| mordred | devananda: yes | 20:12 |
| russellb | https://review.openstack.org/68229 | 20:12 |
| ttx | basically, once you graduate, we announce to the world you will be patr of the next openstack release | 20:12 |
| devananda | mordred: ah. that wasn't clear in the doc | 20:12 |
| mordred | then we'll turn it symmetric when you graduate | 20:12 |
| ttx | it's not easy to back off frmo that | 20:12 |
| ttx | so we need to have as much as we can nailed by graduation time | 20:13 |
| markmc | "** Project must have a gate job running which can be added to the integrated gate after graduation" ? | 20:13 |
| russellb | markmc: ah sorry, missed that | 20:13 |
| sdague | yeh, s/graduation/release/ | 20:13 |
| sdague | and you are +1 from me | 20:13 |
| devananda | markmc: sure, but that's not clearly asying an *asymmetric* job | 20:13 |
| mordred | sdague: no | 20:13 |
| devananda | so I read it as "part of the gate" | 20:13 |
| markmc | russellb, cool | 20:13 |
| mordred | sdague: graduation is correct | 20:13 |
| russellb | i had ... +** Project must have a devstack-gate job running, including functional tests, that demonstrates that it would be easy to add the project to the integrated gate after graduation. | 20:13 |
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| mordred | sdague: release comes 6 months after graduation | 20:13 |
| ttx | Also note that we have "Project must have a basic devstack-gate job set up" as an INCUBATION requirement | 20:14 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:14 |
| russellb | basic job (with nothing about what it actually does) | 20:14 |
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| ttx | is that too much for incubation ? | 20:14 |
| russellb | graduation: job with real tests | 20:14 |
| russellb | basic job, don't think so | 20:14 |
| ttx | russellb: ok ++ | 20:14 |
| mordred | I believe intent there was "devstack can install your project" | 20:14 |
| mordred | and things don't fall to pieces | 20:14 |
| russellb | for incubation, a job that just starts the API service and that's it may be enough | 20:14 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:14 |
| russellb | just get it installed and run it | 20:14 |
| sdague | ok. I'll trust you on this one mordred. | 20:15 |
| ttx | like a job skeleton | 20:15 |
| russellb | yeah | 20:15 |
| sdague | yep | 20:15 |
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| russellb | there's a lot you have to get right to get that far, so it's valuable | 20:15 |
| ttx | mordred: you propose the wording change ? I think we have the direction clearly set now | 20:15 |
| mordred | ttx: ok | 20:15 |
| russellb | i have a WIP -- https://review.openstack.org/68229 | 20:15 |
| ttx | ok, moving on then | 20:15 |
| mordred | russellb: ++ | 20:15 |
| sdague | russellb: looks good | 20:15 |
| ttx | #action mordred/russelb to suggest wording change for QA graduation requirement | 20:16 |
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| ttx | #topic Mid-cycle incubation status review: Marconi | 20:16 |
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| ttx | Like last week, the idea here is to check the current state of the project w/ the graduation requirements | 20:16 |
| kgriffs | o/ | 20:16 |
| ttx | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/incubation-integration-requirements#n56 | 20:16 |
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| flaper87 | o/ | 20:16 |
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| russellb | have a handy page with notes on your status? | 20:16 |
| kgriffs | so, we have a few things | 20:17 |
| kgriffs | first, we have a tracking bp for graduation: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/graduation | 20:17 |
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| ttx | kgriffs: You mentioned to me you might pass on graduation for Juno. Did you change mind ? | 20:17 |
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| kgriffs | before I answer that, I need to clarify some things | 20:17 |
| ttx | kgriffs: we are listening | 20:18 |
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| kgriffs | first, if we wanted to graduate to be integrated in Juno, we would need to be ready when? i-3 ? | 20:18 |
| kgriffs | or sooner? | 20:18 |
| ttx | we usually do the graduation review just before juno PTL election | 20:18 |
| ttx | so that would be sometimes in March | 20:19 |
| kgriffs | ah, ok | 20:19 |
| ttx | post i-3 | 20:19 |
| kgriffs | so, assuming we participate fully in i-2 and i-3 | 20:19 |
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| kgriffs | and have all our code ready by i-3 | 20:19 |
| kgriffs | we could maybe have a few weeks extra to work on docs? | 20:19 |
| ttx | as far as release management goes if you get on board by i-2 you're golden | 20:19 |
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| ttx | kgriffs: sounds doable | 20:20 |
| kgriffs | ok. If we can have until mid-march to get the docs requirement taken care of, then I would like to still try to graduate this cycle | 20:20 |
| ttx | kgriffs: so, what are the gaps ? | 20:21 |
| markmc | I honestly can't remember the feedback we gave marconi on incubation | 20:21 |
| markmc | right, the gaps :) | 20:21 |
| kgriffs | markmc: let me grab a link | 20:21 |
| markmc | e.g. is falcon to pecan a requirement from the TC's perspective? | 20:21 |
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| flaper87 | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/Incubation/Graduation | 20:22 |
| kgriffs | so, it was not a requirement to swap it out | 20:22 |
| markmc | thanks flaper87 | 20:22 |
| ttx | markmc: ISTR supporting pecan as an optoin was a requirement | 20:22 |
| flaper87 | markmc: :) | 20:22 |
| kgriffs | the requirement was that we do due diligence on evaluating pecan | 20:22 |
| markmc | ok | 20:22 |
| annegentle | kgriffs: why the need for a few more weeks for docs? Just wondering | 20:22 |
| kgriffs | with the understanding that if it looks good, we would migrate to it, but that could happen post graduation | 20:22 |
| kgriffs | annegentle: we are short-handed | 20:22 |
| ttx | kgriffs: was that due diligence done yet ? | 20:22 |
| kgriffs | I am going to try to get everything done by i-3 | 20:23 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: work in progress https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/pecan-framework | 20:23 |
| kgriffs | but docs may come in a bit late depending on if we can recruit some more folks or not | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | ttx: there's 1 guy dedicated to that full time | 20:23 |
| sdague | kgriffs: yeh, I think that due dilligence kind of needs to come first, because putting another web stack as an overall requirement for openstack integrated is kind of a big deal | 20:23 |
| markmc | interesting that heat integration is a requirement | 20:24 |
| kgriffs | markmc: so, that is more of a "nice to have" I suppose | 20:24 |
| ttx | kgriffs: overall, that sounds like an impressive number of checkboxes to check given how much time and resources you have left, but it's still worth trying | 20:24 |
| mordred | honestly - if I had to chose between you guys spending time on pecan dilligence and spending time on devstack/tempest integration testing ... I'd rather testing happen | 20:24 |
| russellb | sqlalchemy driver still a requirement, yes? | 20:24 |
| kgriffs | so, devstack/tempest is mostly done - we are waiting on reviews | 20:24 |
| malini | mordred: I already have some outsanding patches for devstack/tempest | 20:24 |
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| mordred | malini: awesome | 20:24 |
| markmc | kgriffs, might be worth clarifying there which are requirements vs nice-to-haves | 20:24 |
| kgriffs | yes, sqlalchemy is a hard requirement | 20:24 |
| russellb | cool | 20:24 |
| flaper87 | mordred: malini is working full time on that | 20:25 |
| mordred | I see sqlalchemy in the tree | 20:25 |
| kgriffs | that work is in progress (sqlalchemy) - already had a few patches land for that | 20:25 |
| flaper87 | sqlalchemy is moving a bit slow but we can speed that up. The structure is there, the implementation needs to be completed | 20:25 |
| kgriffs | let me clean up that wiki page - it isn't clear what is a hard grad req. | 20:25 |
| kgriffs | the graduation bp is more accurate | 20:25 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: yep, we have already talked about getting another pair of hands on that to help speed up the work | 20:26 |
| kgriffs | ok, refresh that wiki page | 20:27 |
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| flaper87 | FWIW, the client library is almost done. There's just 1 feature missing and we already released an alpha version of it: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-marconiclient/0.0.1a1 | 20:27 |
| ttx | kgriffs: what about the process requirements ? core team size, diversity ? | 20:27 |
| kgriffs | i don't think there were any changes we had to make | 20:28 |
| kgriffs | we already had good diversity | 20:28 |
| kgriffs | and the team has been steadily growing | 20:28 |
| russellb | reference: http://stackalytics.com/?release=icehouse&metric=commits&module=marconi | 20:28 |
| ttx | ok, looks good | 20:28 |
| kgriffs | IBM has been ramping up | 20:28 |
| ttx | comments anyone ? questions ? | 20:29 |
| kgriffs | looking forward to them taking a bigger slice of the pie | 20:29 |
| flaper87 | to be more detailed: 3 core members (2 RAX, 1 RH) 2 more contributors from RH, 2 more from RAX, 1 guy from IBM and another guy from the community | 20:29 |
| flaper87 | also Cindy from GOPW | 20:29 |
| flaper87 | (re diversity) | 20:29 |
| flaper87 | and the teams seems to keep growing, thankfully | 20:30 |
| kgriffs | I'm hoping to promote another core member within the next few months | 20:30 |
| ttx | so in summary, lots of work to do on the dev side, but no blocker so far | 20:30 |
| kgriffs | (probably from IBM) | 20:30 |
| kgriffs | ttx: right | 20:30 |
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| ttx | #info Marconi looks good, lots of work to do on the dev side, but no blocker so far | 20:30 |
| ttx | kgriffs: we'll do the i-2 common release, too | 20:30 |
| kgriffs | yep | 20:31 |
| flaper87 | thanks guys! :) | 20:31 |
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| ttx | last comments before we switch to nex ttopic ? | 20:31 |
| annegentle | kgriffs: people are asking good questions about marconi docs of me, so there's that :) But yes, get resources on it. | 20:31 |
| ttx | damn sticky keys | 20:31 |
| kgriffs | ttx: what is the cutoff for i-2? meaning, when does it get tagged/branched today (UTC)? | 20:31 |
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| ttx | kgriffs: next meeting. Normally yes. | 20:31 |
| ttx | but these are exceptional times | 20:31 |
| kgriffs | annegentle: definitely - docs are a high priority, we are just looking for helping hands | 20:31 |
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| ttx | mikal: you around ? | 20:31 |
| mikal | Yep | 20:32 |
| ttx | #topic Requirements for third party test systems | 20:32 |
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| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2014-January/000487.html | 20:32 |
| ttx | mikal: i'll let you introduce the topic | 20:32 |
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| mikal | Cool | 20:32 |
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| mikal | So I think this is mostly informational unless we're really upset | 20:32 |
| mikal | I wanted the TC to be aware of the general push for third party CI which is happening at the moment | 20:32 |
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| mikal | Its causing some social problems, as these systems seem to be being built by people we didn't expect | 20:32 |
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| mikal | i.e. ops people who are not ATCs and never use gerrit | 20:33 |
| lifeless | mikal: the spanish inquisition ? | 20:33 |
| mikal | anteaya has had problems with systems going rogue and leaving bad votes lying around all over the place for example | 20:33 |
| anteaya | it just feels like the spanish inquisition | 20:33 |
| mikal | So, there's a few things here | 20:33 |
| lifeless | anteaya: nobody expects... | 20:33 |
| mikal | - we need clearer expectations of these systems | 20:33 |
| anteaya | mostly because I am a point of contact for the rogue | 20:33 |
| mikal | (which infra is working on already) | 20:33 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63478/7/doc/source/third_party.rst | 20:33 |
| sdague | mikal: one other thing I'd like to see is an output template for expected results | 20:34 |
| mikal | - PTLs need to be careful with the deadlines they set because of the load they place on anteaya / infra | 20:34 |
| sdague | because that seems all over the board | 20:34 |
| mikal | sdague: yes, although I don't think I agree with the assumption that tempest should always be the test run | 20:34 |
| sdague | mikal: agreed | 20:34 |
| mikal | sdague: that's true for driver authors, but not for meta testing | 20:34 |
| jgriffith | mikal: sdague why not? | 20:34 |
| sdague | but in the summery post | 20:34 |
| jgriffith | mikal: sdague if that's what we use to gate, why woulnd't it be the same? | 20:35 |
| sdague | we need some consistency on naming | 20:35 |
| mikal | jgriffith: why not tempest? | 20:35 |
| mikal | jgriffith: well, with db ci for example, tempest doesn't exercise what we're trying to test. | 20:35 |
| mikal | jhenner: or at least exercises way more than we need | 20:35 |
| mikal | sorry, jgriffith there | 20:35 |
| jgriffith | mikal: so I think we need to think about different projects/etc | 20:35 |
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| sdague | mikal: you want output template suggestions in the same doc? | 20:35 |
| jgriffith | mikal: cinder for example "better" require tempest IMO | 20:35 |
| mikal | sdague: I think that makes sense | 20:36 |
| lifeless | jgriffith: tempest starts with a cloud, so anything meta is perhaps awkward | 20:36 |
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| sdague | mikal: ok, I'll submit something | 20:36 |
| anteaya | also stackforge-fuel https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/8971 | 20:36 |
| jgriffith | lifeless: I don't even know what that means? | 20:36 |
| mikal | jgriffith: I think you should require tempest from _driver_ authors | 20:36 |
| anteaya | tests only stackforge things | 20:36 |
| jgriffith | mikal: exactly.. yes | 20:36 |
| mikal | jgriffith: if someone wanted to test some non-driver thing, then that should be ok to be outside tempest | 20:36 |
| mikal | jgriffith: well, outside of tempest if it makes sense to be outside tempest | 20:36 |
| sdague | jgriffith: we also have other 3rd party testing, like mikal's turbo-hipster which is a functional test for db performance on real data | 20:36 |
| jgriffith | mikal: I think we may be bighting off too big a piece of cake at once | 20:36 |
| jgriffith | sdague: ok | 20:37 |
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| ttx | mikal: is this more for information, or do you need the TC to come up with some sort of decision here ? | 20:37 |
| jgriffith | sdague: I'm with you now | 20:37 |
| devananda | assuming that different drivers have (nearly) the sme functionality, reusing existing tempest tests for a project seems logical. | 20:37 |
| mikal | What specifically caused me to want to talk about this was the neutron i-2 deadline | 20:37 |
| devananda | is that a false assumption? | 20:37 |
| jgriffith | sdague: mikal but I think there should be different docs/processes for the different types of testing | 20:37 |
| anteaya | current 3rd party testing accounts: https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/91,members | 20:37 |
| ttx | mikal: because so far that sounds like something we could discuss on the cross-project meeting too | 20:37 |
| mikal | ttx: well, if the tc is happy with that code review... | 20:37 |
| devananda | mikal: though i understand your pointthat non-driver third-party tests may not be suitable for tempest | 20:37 |
| annegentle | anteaya: thanks was just going to ask for a list | 20:37 |
| mikal | ttx: then I just want PTLs to talk to infra before issuing deadlines in public | 20:37 |
| anteaya | :D | 20:38 |
| mikal | ttx: so yeah, informational | 20:38 |
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| mikal | Also, anteya I suspect could do with more support from core devs | 20:38 |
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| sdague | I think we should also all recognize this has been a learning experience | 20:38 |
| anteaya | the deadline email in question: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-November/019219.html | 20:38 |
| mikal | i.e. help with cleaning up misvotes etc | 20:38 |
| sdague | and that we might need to adapt as we go | 20:38 |
| ttx | mikal: given that PTLs != TC I think we should echo that discussion on the cross-project meeting too | 20:38 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:38 |
| mikal | ttx: agreed | 20:38 |
| NobodyCam | -infra just a passing "Great Job guys!" | 20:38 |
| anteaya | also markmcclain is doing the first day of hr at new job so he isn't here atm | 20:38 |
| mikal | ttx: I wanted to make sure I was in alignment with the tc first thugh | 20:38 |
| jeblair | yes, we did not anticpate these problems but i think we can work through them and deal with them. | 20:39 |
| mikal | though | 20:39 |
| lifeless | more than just talking to infra; I think folk need to recognize it takes 6m+ for a testing system to get the bugs ironed out | 20:39 |
| ttx | mikal: I think more coordination cannot hurt | 20:39 |
| anteaya | more discussion is welcome | 20:39 |
| lifeless | realistic deadlines... | 20:39 |
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| mikal | ttx: there was also talk about how we decide to grant voting rights to 3rd party testers | 20:39 |
| mikal | ttx: that might be a tc thing if we want to get involved | 20:39 |
| mikal | ttx: or we can leave it to the ptl | 20:39 |
| mikal | I don't have strong opinions there | 20:39 |
| ttx | mikal: can become a TC thing is that cannot be solved at a lower level | 20:40 |
| mordred | I think leave to ptl until it's an issue | 20:40 |
| jgriffith | mikal: I do :) | 20:40 |
| ttx | mordred: +1 | 20:40 |
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| mikal | jgriffith: what is your opinion? | 20:40 |
| jeblair | i think infra can do objective evaluation | 20:40 |
| sdague | yeh, I'd say we can take this out of TC | 20:40 |
| jgriffith | mikal: external items I don't think should vote | 20:40 |
| jeblair | if voting rights is a subjective question, i'd like ptl involvement | 20:40 |
| mikal | jeblair: there was concern that puts infra "on the hook" | 20:40 |
| jgriffith | mikal: they're out of the control of infra/community | 20:40 |
| jgriffith | mikal: leaves us in a *bad* spot IMO | 20:41 |
| jgriffith | mikal: at least to start | 20:41 |
| mikal | jgriffith: I don't think there's concensus there | 20:41 |
| anteaya | also in cross project testing like smokestack, which ptl's opinion breaks a tie? | 20:41 |
| jgriffith | mikal: if the tests are on our infra I'm all for it | 20:41 |
| mikal | jgriffith: oh, there is on "at the start" | 20:41 |
| jgriffith | mikal: if they're external I don't think they should vote | 20:41 |
| mikal | jgriffith: the current proposal is you don't vote for like the fix 6 months or whatever | 20:41 |
| markmc | IMHO, V -/+1 votes aren't all that different from R -/+1 votes | 20:41 |
| markmc | you learn to trust some and ignore others | 20:41 |
| jgriffith | mikal: I just envision gate clogging due to third party infra | 20:41 |
| ttx | anteaya: no need to vote. If there is no consensus, that can be brought to tc | 20:42 |
| mordred | jgriffith: I think when we say vote - we mean +1/-1 - never +2/-2 | 20:42 |
| mikal | markmc: the problem is devs who filter on verified status | 20:42 |
| devananda | mikal: I think non-voting until there is PTL confidence | 20:42 |
| anteaya | ttx k | 20:42 |
| markmc | so be permissive in giving rights | 20:42 |
| jgriffith | mordred: but what about -1 | 20:42 |
| mikal | devananda: yeah, that's where we were going | 20:42 |
| mordred | jgriffith: it's non-blocking | 20:42 |
| devananda | mordred: i don't think -1 should be allowed until there is confidence in the third-party system being truthful about that -1 | 20:42 |
| jgriffith | mordred: ok, that's what I was getting at | 20:42 |
| mikal | jgriffith: well, we're talking check queue here, not gate queue | 20:42 |
| jgriffith | mordred: mikal sorry | 20:42 |
| jgriffith | carry on :) | 20:42 |
| mordred | devananda: ++ I do agree with that | 20:42 |
| mikal | IIRC infra already has a policy that gate checks must be run by infra | 20:42 |
| sdague | so given the level of debate.... ML thread? | 20:42 |
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| sdague | I don't think this should be trapped in the tc | 20:42 |
| ttx | sdague: yep. And then cross-project meeting topic | 20:43 |
| mikal | Works for me | 20:43 |
| ttx | ok, moving on | 20:43 |
| lifeless | mikal: it does | 20:43 |
| mikal | Noting that the people we're trying to talk to don't read our mailing lists | 20:43 |
| lifeless | mikal: but things can change :P | 20:43 |
| ttx | mikal: too bad | 20:43 |
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| ttx | #topic Recommendation to deprecate XML in new major API versions | 20:43 |
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| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2014-January/000494.html | 20:43 |
| ttx | So I think it's definitely in our realm to make such a "recommendation" | 20:43 |
| ttx | With the projects PTLs being the ultimate deciders on what they want to support or not, based on their project history and users | 20:43 |
| sdague | right, so this thread is in a couple of different forums, -dev, general list, and -tc | 20:44 |
| ttx | sdague: could you sum up the reaction on the ML so far ? | 20:44 |
| sdague | so far on the general thread the only opposition is pointing to the user survey | 20:44 |
| sdague | and the 30% XML number | 20:44 |
| sdague | however, it's not really clear to me how that number is possible | 20:44 |
| ttx | at the very least ithink we could say "don't feel forced to support XML in future versions of your API" | 20:44 |
| russellb | which i think we should ignore for the most part | 20:44 |
| sdague | russellb: agreed | 20:44 |
| ttx | if that helps them say no | 20:44 |
| mikal | There was some talk internal to Rackspace about getting usage numbers | 20:45 |
| mikal | But it doesn't seem to have happened yet | 20:45 |
| mikal | Which makes me sad | 20:45 |
| sdague | I've asked user committee for some clarification, and better future questions | 20:45 |
| russellb | ttx: +1 | 20:45 |
| russellb | but really should be up to projects | 20:45 |
| hub_cap | so what about current api's? could i, say, rip it out of trove if no one complains? | 20:45 |
| markmc | russellb, ignore because you think it's unreliable data right? | 20:45 |
| russellb | markmc: yes | 20:45 |
| markmc | russellb, (just wanna make sure you're not misinterpreted :) | 20:45 |
| sdague | markmc: yes, it's suspect data | 20:45 |
| russellb | markmc: the question was quite poor for what we're trying to get at | 20:45 |
| russellb | markmc: thank you | 20:45 |
| sdague | I think I had a general list post sort of discecting that | 20:45 |
| devananda | i have the same question as hub_cap -- we were discussing XML support in ironic today. it's currently broken, cause most of our work has been for the JSON API. | 20:45 |
| hub_cap | mikal: i _know_ rax dbaas usage was like .2% | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | for xml | 20:46 |
| sdague | right, so that's actually what I want to do | 20:46 |
| devananda | i'll happily just omit XML if there's broad support for not supporting it | 20:46 |
| ttx | sdague: so I think there is room for a governance repo change proposal with mild language like "don't feel forced to support XML in fuure major versons of your api" | 20:46 |
| * mordred in favor of saing xml not required | 20:46 | |
| hub_cap | yea and ours is unused and id love to nuke it before my first integrated release :) | 20:46 |
| russellb | markmc: i really liked your input on the thread btw | 20:46 |
| stevebaker | (heat has no xml api and nobody has yet asked for one) | 20:46 |
| markmc | russellb, thank you :) | 20:46 |
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| mordred | stevebaker: ++ | 20:46 |
| sdague | ttx: yes | 20:46 |
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| hub_cap | stevebaker: can i have a heat xml api? | 20:46 |
| devananda | stevebaker: good to know, thx | 20:46 |
| markmc | it's not that I'm trying to save XML support | 20:46 |
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| markmc | but let's not say "never" | 20:46 |
| stevebaker | hub_cap: noes | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | now u cant say that :) | 20:46 |
| ttx | sdague: that sounds pretty much consensual | 20:47 |
| markmc | high bar, we've learned some lessons, etc. | 20:47 |
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| sdague | or realistically just saying "openstack services need a stable JSON API" | 20:47 |
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| ttx | sdague: not sure it's really needed but if it makes some projects decisions easier... | 20:47 |
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| markmc | sdague, speaking of which - I just proposed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68258/ | 20:47 |
| markmc | sdague, as a discussion starter | 20:47 |
| annegentle | I am sad with mikal | 20:47 |
| sdague | I think realistically if we nudge that way, we'll drop most of the XML support in the next set of major releases on API | 20:47 |
| mordred | yah | 20:47 |
| markmc | most likely | 20:47 |
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| jeblair | i think we've seen enough feedback right here from recent projects who would have done well to know that xml can be de-prioritized | 20:48 |
| sdague | because I think that everyone is keeping it because they think someone told them they had to | 20:48 |
| annegentle | but I do think we need to get a better finer set of questions in the survey so we might need to wait for an edict | 20:48 |
| russellb | markmc: if heat, how about horizon? | 20:48 |
| mordred | sdague: ++ | 20:48 |
| devananda | sdague: ++ | 20:48 |
| markmc | russellb, will add | 20:48 |
| sdague | and I want to tell them they don't | 20:48 |
| sdague | then let the cards fall where they may | 20:48 |
| annegentle | sdague: and your points about the downstream effects are well stated | 20:48 |
| mordred | yup. and if we get people screaing for us to add xml - then it'll be quite clear :) | 20:48 |
| sdague | annegentle: thanks | 20:48 |
| russellb | on a fundamental point ... is it ever valuable to support multiple encodings, really? | 20:48 |
| russellb | seems silly | 20:48 |
| sdague | russellb: I don't think so | 20:48 |
| mordred | at this point, json is pretty darned ubiquitous | 20:49 |
| russellb | but agree we should not say never | 20:49 |
| sdague | which is why you better let me propose the commit to drop XML from v3 :) | 20:49 |
| russellb | right, json isn't niche or obscure or anything | 20:49 |
| ttx | #action sdague to propose a recommendation about XML not being required in future major versions of APIs | 20:49 |
| mordred | sdague: I will +1 that commit | 20:49 |
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| sdague | ttx: sure, I think markmc has beginning discussion review as well | 20:49 |
| russellb | yeah | 20:50 |
| hub_cap | do we need to add a note about current versions of the API if projects decide to drop it asap? | 20:50 |
| hub_cap | cough, cough, trove | 20:50 |
| markmc | russellb, yeah, it can be useful when consuming from different languages or frameworks - think Java EE stuff | 20:50 |
| sdague | hub_cap: well, trove hasn't released as integrated yet | 20:50 |
| ttx | Trove being arguably "not released yet" I think you can do whatever you want | 20:50 |
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| sdague | I wouldn't complain if you used that as cover to drop | 20:51 |
| markmc | russellb, oVirt API was JSON, XML and YAML at one point | 20:51 |
| mordred | markmc: I got feedback from corporate overlords today that json is just as easy for corporate java types these days | 20:51 |
| vishy | markmc: those things are valuable if you are actually providing a wadl/wsdl | 20:51 |
| vishy | and the thing works | 20:51 |
| russellb | markmc: yeah, don't have first hand experience but i've heard that ... in the perfect world in my head all of these things have evolved good json support by now | 20:51 |
| markmc | mordred, vishy, fair points | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | sweet sdague ttx | 20:51 |
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| ttx | anything else on that subject ? we still have a couple items to cover | 20:51 |
| vishy | otherwise they have to write custom bindings anyway, and it isn't harder to write one talking to json | 20:51 |
| sdague | vishy: right, but we haven't been doing that in a working way for a while | 20:51 |
| mordred | I think it was much more important when we started openstack than it is now | 20:51 |
| mordred | and even then I think it was tenuous | 20:51 |
| markmc | maybe something will come along better than JSON :) | 20:52 |
| markmc | "never say never" | 20:52 |
| sdague | ttx: I'm good | 20:52 |
| mordred | markmc: protobuffer! | 20:52 |
| russellb | markmc: +1 | 20:52 |
| ttx | #topic Minor governance changes | 20:52 |
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| ttx | Program/project mapping (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65096) just needs more +1s I think | 20:52 |
| russellb | markmc: but in your patch "at least JSON" for now seems like a good statement for today | 20:52 |
| ttx | or do -1 with a comment if there is a reason you did not approve that one yet | 20:52 |
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| ttx | Mention scope expansion in incubation requirements (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62612/) | 20:52 |
| ttx | Since this document represents consensual requirements, we originally rejected it because mordred & jgriffith and were -1 on the idea | 20:53 |
| ttx | mordred, jgriffith: did your position change on that subject ? | 20:53 |
| annegentle | I still need to send a ML post about a user program that contains horizon/cli rather than horizon being a program, to which list does that discussion need to go? | 20:53 |
| ttx | I see jgriffith +1ed | 20:53 |
| * markmc will be lazy and paste his comments from gerrit | 20:53 | |
| markmc | Main objection seems to be that this is a subjective requirement rather than an objective one. And also a lot of talk about "finite resources". | 20:53 |
| markmc | I don't see this being about "finite resources" but instead a "we're not going to add projects which would mean a crazy jump in OpenStack's scope". We're not going to add a gmail SaaS clone, for example. | 20:53 |
| markmc | Yes, it's subjective ... but so is e.g. "large and diverse". | 20:53 |
| markmc | The goal is twofold - (1) warn authors of new projects that this isn't a free-for-all, even if you tick all the other boxes then there will be a "does this increase of scope make sense?" discussion and (2) reassure those that worry about OpenStack's scope going crazy that we do actually think about this. | 20:53 |
| russellb | annegentle: openstack-dev i think | 20:53 |
| russellb | annegentle: but i don't think that reflects reality | 20:53 |
| russellb | maybe if we have open discussion time ... | 20:54 |
| annegentle | russellb: because there's no Dev Experience program? or. Yeah discussion time. | 20:54 |
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| ttx | markmc: I agree with the goals and I'm ready to +1 the thing. The reason it wasn't approved originally was because jgriffith and mordred didn't like it, and this doc needs consensus | 20:54 |
| mordred | markmc: yeah - my concerns are purely that we make sure those goals, which are good, don't come across as prescriptive or legalistic checkboxes | 20:54 |
| markmc | ttx, yeah, my reading of the discussion is that the intent was misunderstood | 20:54 |
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| ttx | markmc: the discussion on reusing "mesaured growth" as a tool to adjust bandwidth for teams like docs is abit orthogonal yes | 20:55 |
| markmc | mordred, purely objective requirements are in danger of becoming a checkbox list though | 20:55 |
| russellb | i read this as adding "the scope shouldn't be some bonkers crap that came out of left field and is way off from the current scope" | 20:55 |
| markmc | mordred, "I ticked all the boxes! You have to take me!" | 20:55 |
| markmc | mordred, "uh, no - you're a github clone, that makes no sense" | 20:56 |
| mordred | markmc: maybe s/must/should/ and I'd be better | 20:56 |
| mordred | or something | 20:56 |
| mordred | or - screw it - I'm probably being too nitpicky here | 20:56 |
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| russellb | heh | 20:56 |
| mordred | let me just go back and vote properly in the thing | 20:56 |
| ttx | ok, looks like we have a deal | 20:57 |
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| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:57 |
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| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 20:57 |
| annegentle | oo oo! Is there a user experience program need? | 20:57 |
| russellb | so annegentle ... we've talked a lot before about programs being about teams of people | 20:57 |
| russellb | i don't think the people working on all of the CLIs and horizon are a single group | 20:57 |
| russellb | so i don't think it makes sense to try to make that a program (right now anyway) | 20:57 |
| annegentle | so if the common cli starts to live in oslo, will that hamper progress due to the nature of the program they're under? | 20:58 |
| russellb | unless someone steps up to organize such an effort to pull all these things together | 20:58 |
| markmc | mordred, changed it to should | 20:58 |
| annegentle | or does it actually help the common CLI get more resources | 20:58 |
| ttx | russellb: ++ | 20:58 |
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| sdague | annegentle: honestly, I don't think a program declaration is going to get more resources on a thing. Get people working on a thing first | 20:58 |
| ttx | I thinnk UX needs some mileage | 20:59 |
| russellb | which btw ... i would love to see all the CLIs be pulled together under a team | 20:59 |
| sdague | russellb: +1 | 20:59 |
| russellb | but someone (and a group) has to actually step up to do that | 20:59 |
| russellb | we can't force it | 20:59 |
| annegentle | russellb: ya ok | 20:59 |
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| russellb | i've mentioned it to a few people as a possible area to step up and lead | 20:59 |
| sdague | the current ML thread (which is massively deep) has some good stuff on it | 21:00 |
| russellb | we'll see | 21:00 |
| ttx | looks like we are done | 21:00 |
| russellb | sdague: cool, that looked promising ... though i fell way behind on it | 21:00 |
| sdague | jesse's direction I like | 21:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 21 21:00:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-01-21-20.03.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-01-21-20.03.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-01-21-20.03.log.html | 21:00 |
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| ttx | dolphm, notmyname, jd__, markwash, jgriffith, russellb, stevebaker, david-lyle, markmcclain, hub_cap: around ? | 21:01 |
| russellb | o/ | 21:01 |
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| stevebaker | O/ | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 21:01 |
| dolphm | o/ | 21:01 |
| devananda | \o | 21:01 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 21:01 |
| jd__ | o/ | 21:01 |
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| ttx | jeblair, mordred: will need you around for this one too | 21:02 |
| jeblair | o/ | 21:02 |
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| hub_cap | aye | 21:02 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 21 21:02:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| lifeless | ttx: need me ? :) | 21:02 |
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| mordred | o/ | 21:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:02 |
| * flaper87 is here in case an update on oslo is needed | 21:02 | |
| sdague | o/ | 21:02 |
| mordred | ttx: bah. I don't believe in meetings | 21:02 |
| ttx | lifeless: you can have that hour of your life back | 21:02 |
| hub_cap | so does the o/ actually do something bot related? | 21:02 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:02 |
| ttx | hub_cap: no | 21:03 |
| ttx | The main topic of discussion for today is obviously the situation with the frozen gate and the consequences for icehouse-2 | 21:03 |
| ttx | #topic Frozen gate situation | 21:03 |
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| ttx | so, on that topic... | 21:03 |
| ttx | First of all, I would like to discuss the current situation: flow rate, main causes | 21:03 |
| ttx | s othat everyone ois on the same page | 21:03 |
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| ttx | sdague, jeblair, mordred: any volunteer to summarize the current state ? | 21:03 |
| sdague | sure | 21:04 |
| sdague | so we've got kind of a perfect storm of issues | 21:04 |
| sdague | we're hitting non linear scaling issues on zuul, because we're throwing so much at it | 21:04 |
| sdague | and the gate queue is so long | 21:04 |
| sdague | we're in starvation for nodes in general | 21:04 |
| sdague | our working set is much bigger than all the available nodes to us | 21:05 |
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| sdague | and we've got a bunch of new gate reseting issues that cropped up in the last couple of weeks | 21:05 |
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| ttx | is that node starvation due to lack of cloud resources ? Or something else ? | 21:05 |
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| sdague | which we were blind to because we were actually loosing console logs to elastic search | 21:05 |
| sdague | ttx: lack of cloud resources | 21:05 |
| sdague | basically we're swapping | 21:06 |
| ttx | sdague: is that something we need to ask our kind sponsors to help with ? | 21:06 |
| sdague | ttx: it has been requested | 21:06 |
| ttx | sdague: ok | 21:06 |
| russellb | i think i saw mordred say he was asking | 21:06 |
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| sdague | yep, mordred is working that | 21:06 |
| mordred | yes. I have emailed rackspace about more nodes/quota | 21:06 |
| ttx | sdague, mordred: let me know if smoe kind of officioal foundation statement can help | 21:06 |
| jeblair | sdague: i don't want to contradict anything you have said, all of which are correct, but i don't think starvation is having a huge impact on throughput | 21:06 |
| mordred | pvo hasn't given a final answer back yet | 21:06 |
| sdague | jeblair: that could be | 21:07 |
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| pvo | mordred: if you could take iad or dfw, that would be a huge help. | 21:07 |
| pvo | is that possible? | 21:07 |
| mordred | hp's new cloud region is where new capacity comes from, and those nodes do not work well for us in the gate yet- so we're dependent on rax for additional node quota if we're getting any | 21:07 |
| sdague | though yesterday we were thrashing due to node starvation | 21:07 |
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| mordred | pvo: I believe so? | 21:07 |
| sdague | in some interesting patterns | 21:07 |
| mordred | jeblair: thoughts on pvo's question? | 21:07 |
| jeblair | also, it is worth mentioning that the reduction in tempest concurrency is likely affecting throughput | 21:07 |
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| sdague | but we can debate the subtleties later | 21:07 |
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| sdague | jeblair: well, it saw a noticable increase in reliability | 21:08 |
| pvo | mordred: I can get the quotas raised there if that'll work for you. I"ve been going back and forth with our ops guys. | 21:08 |
| ttx | so what's the flow rate right now ? 20 changes per day ? more ? less ? | 21:08 |
| sdague | so I think, on net, it's helping | 21:08 |
| jog0 | https://github.com/openstack/openstack/graphs/commit-activity | 21:08 |
| jog0 | flow | 21:08 |
| jeblair | pvo: absolutely | 21:08 |
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| ttx | jog0: awesome htx | 21:08 |
| pvo | jeblair: mordred: cool. I'll try to get those changes done today. | 21:08 |
| mordred | pvo: thanks! I owe you much beer | 21:09 |
| sdague | I've spent enough time looking at the perf data now, that I'm very much with russellb, 4x concurency puts the environment at such a high load for so long, we get unpredicable behavior | 21:09 |
| russellb | +1 | 21:09 |
| mikal | sdague: is there a guide to running tempest somewhere? I can't see one on the wiki and am ashamed to admit I've never run it in person. | 21:09 |
| russellb | it's just a non-starter right now | 21:09 |
| ttx | OK, do we have reasons to hope things will get back to a flow rate in the near future that would let us absorb that backlog ? | 21:09 |
| pvo | mordred: np. whats the tenant id again? | 21:09 |
| russellb | pvo: thanks a ton | 21:09 |
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| pvo | can private message that if you want | 21:09 |
| mikal | Sorry, wrong channel | 21:10 |
| sdague | heh | 21:10 |
| sdague | ttx: without more people helping on the race fix side... no | 21:10 |
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| sdague | we're going to mitigate some things, to make us thrash less | 21:11 |
| sdague | but we won't get back to normal flow until we aren't doing so many resets | 21:11 |
| russellb | i've had a fix for a huge offender up for 5 hours, but it's so behind we can't get it in | 21:11 |
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| ttx | sdague: do we have a bug number for the key issue(s) | 21:11 |
| russellb | it hasn't shown up in check yet even | 21:11 |
| sdague | ttx: I put 2 on the list yesterday | 21:11 |
| ttx | sdague: ok, those two are still current | 21:11 |
| russellb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68147/3 ... fixes a bug with 340 hits in the last 12 hours | 21:12 |
| sdague | part of it is also discovering the resets | 21:12 |
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| sdague | ttx: yes, I had a morning update on list about it | 21:12 |
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| ttx | OK... As far as the icehouse-2 milestone goes, we need to decide if it makes sense to cut branches at the end of the day today, or if we should just delay by a week | 21:12 |
| ttx | On one hand, a milestone is just a point in time, so we can cut anytime | 21:12 |
| ttx | On the other hand, we want it to be a *reference* point in time, and here we have a lot of stuff in-flight... so cutting now is a bit useless | 21:13 |
| sdague | honestly, we're only at about an 80% characterization rate right now as well, so there could be killer bugs we haven't identified yet | 21:13 |
| ttx | Decision all depends on our confidence that adding a week will make a difference. | 21:13 |
| ttx | that the currently in-flight stuff will make it. | 21:13 |
| ttx | which in turn depends on our ability to restore a decent flow rate to absorb the backlog. | 21:13 |
| ttx | I'm open to suggestions here | 21:13 |
| annegentle | ttx: I do see people try to install milestone releases, so do wait if you think it would help | 21:13 |
| ttx | http://status.openstack.org/release/ should show how many bleuprints are stuck in queue for i2 | 21:14 |
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| sdague | my instinct is cut what we have, the trees were always supposed to be shippable | 21:14 |
| jog0 | ttx: I am not sure if waiting a week is enough TBH. If we don't fix the gate a week won't help | 21:14 |
| russellb | sdague: same here | 21:14 |
| sdague | my concern is that if we delay i2, then all these people are going to rush the queue harder | 21:14 |
| mordred | yeah. we're not timed-based-releses for nothing round here | 21:14 |
| russellb | i say just cut | 21:14 |
| jog0 | ++ | 21:14 |
| russellb | sdague: that's a very good point | 21:15 |
| russellb | we don't need to encourage a gate rush right now | 21:15 |
| russellb | we need people to chill out for a while | 21:15 |
| annegentle | yeah avoid gate rush. I'm just going back and forth here. I'll stop | 21:15 |
| ttx | sdague: I'm fine with cutting now if you PTLs are fine with that | 21:15 |
| stevebaker | I vote for doing a cut now | 21:15 |
| ttx | it will looks a bit empty but who cares | 21:15 |
| russellb | ttx: sometimes we get to fail in public, and i think that's OK | 21:15 |
| sdague | yeh, I already had one group ping me for a requirements review so they could land something in i2 this morning | 21:15 |
| devananda | will this encourage folks whose changes are in-flight ut dont make it to delay them further, making a bigger rush for I3 ? | 21:16 |
| hub_cap | if it will alleviate the mental push to help clean up the Q a bit, lets do it | 21:16 |
| kgriffs | I'm fine with a cut now, except there is one patch that I really need to land first that has been stuck for hours. | 21:16 |
| sdague | devananda: we're going to have a bigger rush in i3 regardless | 21:16 |
| russellb | if we weren't all so damn busy, we could write a book on all the amazing lessons we're learning along the way :) | 21:16 |
| sdague | russellb: ++ | 21:16 |
| ttx | so.. let's say I'll cut early next morning, which gives a bit of time for things to land | 21:16 |
| kgriffs | +1 | 21:16 |
| ttx | that would be like 7am MST | 21:16 |
| david-lyle | horizon may have a licensing issue if we cut now, may need to get a fix in | 21:16 |
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| ttx | would that work for everyone ? | 21:16 |
| sdague | ttx: good for me | 21:17 |
| dolphm | i'm fine with cutting now | 21:17 |
| hub_cap | ++ | 21:17 |
| ttx | and then tag the next morning same hour | 21:17 |
| david-lyle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1270764 | 21:17 |
| ttx | or even tag on the same day | 21:17 |
| mordred | ttx: we may want to get ptls to indicate super-important must-land patches in case promoting them is necessary | 21:17 |
| ttx | it's not as if backpotrs would make it through anyway | 21:17 |
| sdague | yeh, if there is a licensing patch, that would qualify | 21:18 |
| ttx | so... branch cut at 7am MST, tag toward the end of the afternoon | 21:18 |
| dolphm | mordred: i hope you're not referring to blueprints .. ? | 21:18 |
| russellb | works for me | 21:18 |
| stevebaker | ttx: This Critical fix needs to get in one way or another https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68135/ | 21:18 |
| russellb | i dont' care about landing more features, i just want to help restore the gate :) | 21:18 |
| russellb | at this point | 21:18 |
| sdague | russellb: +1 | 21:18 |
| ttx | sdague: could you add it to your magic list of priority fixes ? | 21:18 |
| mordred | dolphm: nope. I just think there are a couple of things, like the license thing, that we should help land before the morning if we can | 21:18 |
| mordred | russellb: ++ | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | russellb: ++ | 21:18 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68135/ | 21:18 |
| dolphm | russellb: ++ please | 21:19 |
| russellb | trying | 21:19 |
| sdague | ttx: so it has to have *some* recent test results | 21:19 |
| ttx | if we fail to land it today, we still have the backport option tomorrow | 21:19 |
| sdague | before we promote | 21:19 |
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| ttx | sdague: ack | 21:19 |
| mordred | ttx: I need to run - are we good on the portion of the meeting for which I'm useful? | 21:20 |
| ttx | #agreed I2 branch cut around 7am MST tomorrow. Tags expected toward the end of day | 21:20 |
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| ttx | mordred: I think we cna handle it frmo here | 21:20 |
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| ttx | damn it | 21:20 |
| russellb | sdague: nova fix is in the check queue now at least (no dsvm nodes yet) | 21:20 |
| hub_cap | heh | 21:20 |
| ttx | mordred: I think we can handle it from here | 21:20 |
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| sdague | russellb: yeh, there is something else going on, like last week | 21:20 |
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| markwash | 7 AM MST3K? | 21:21 |
| sdague | too many meetings this afternoon to dive on it :) | 21:21 |
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| markwash | I'm down | 21:21 |
| ttx | sdague: let's make this one quick | 21:21 |
| ttx | #topic stable/havana situation (david-lyle) | 21:21 |
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| ttx | So stable/grizzly was broken a few weeks ago, which is turn paralyzed stable/havana (due to grenade trying to run stable/grizzly stuff) | 21:21 |
| ttx | My understanding is that it's all put on the backburner until we get the master gate in order | 21:21 |
| ttx | and in hte mea ntim we should not approve stable/* stuf | 21:22 |
| ttx | mean time... stuff | 21:22 |
| russellb | seems stable +A was removed anyway :) | 21:22 |
| sdague | yeh | 21:22 |
| ttx | hah | 21:22 |
| ttx | good | 21:22 |
| russellb | solves that. | 21:22 |
| sdague | we made an executive call on that on sunday | 21:22 |
| ttx | david-lyle: comment on that ? | 21:22 |
| ttx | (you raised that topic) | 21:22 |
| david-lyle | ok, just checking. I think queued up jobs are finally failing | 21:22 |
| sdague | the stable/grizzly fix is actually in the gate | 21:22 |
| sdague | david-lyle: are there still stable jobs in the gate? | 21:23 |
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| sdague | I thought we managed to kick those all out | 21:23 |
| david-lyle | wanted to verify | 21:23 |
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| sdague | I believe - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67739/ will make stable/havana work in the gate again | 21:23 |
| david-lyle | sdague: I believe I saw a couple Horizon failures yesterday | 21:23 |
| sdague | stable/grizzly is actually working again | 21:23 |
| sdague | david-lyle: gate or check | 21:23 |
| ttx | ok | 21:23 |
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| ttx | so this is actually being solved too | 21:23 |
| ttx | david-lyle: anything more on that topic ? | 21:24 |
| david-lyle | sdague: I think gate | 21:24 |
| david-lyle | ttx: no, I'm good | 21:24 |
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| ttx | #topic common openstack client (markwash) | 21:24 |
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| sdague | david-lyle: so if there are any other stable/havana things in gate, we should remove them | 21:24 |
| ttx | markwash: floor is yours | 21:24 |
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| markwash | okay, I was really just hoping to do a quick poll here | 21:24 |
| david-lyle | sdague, ack | 21:24 |
| markwash | the discussion in openstack dev is about what kind of approach to take: many client projects, one client project | 21:25 |
| ttx | one | 21:25 |
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| ttx | oh | 21:25 |
| markwash | I'm interested especially because I want to make some changes to glanceclient, and would love to know where to put it | 21:25 |
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| ttx | I'm more worried about MULTIPLE unified client projects | 21:25 |
| markwash | there's also a difference between one CLI client and one library SDK | 21:26 |
| ttx | I thought openstackclient was the one but hte discussion seemed to point to something else (haven't read it in detail yet) | 21:26 |
| sdague | markwash: my read of the thread is you should keep doing what you are doing now, I can't imagine this becomes reality pre icehouse | 21:26 |
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| markwash | sdague: makes sense | 21:27 |
| markwash | If no one else has anything they want to share re one vs many I'm good. . I just was hoping to hear from any PTLs who felt strongly | 21:27 |
| jd__ | whatever works :) | 21:28 |
| dolphm | this is in regard to one SDK, correct? | 21:28 |
| dolphm | not another CLI? | 21:28 |
| stevebaker | I would be happy to get behind a unified client, but I've still not got around to integrating heat with python-openstackclient | 21:28 |
| markwash | dolphm: I think that's the key distinction, yeah. . not a lot of opposition in my mind to unifying the CLI | 21:28 |
| ttx | yeah, we really need someone to head that client projects division | 21:29 |
| ttx | and push things forward | 21:29 |
| ttx | in a coherent way | 21:29 |
| sdague | honestly, I'm very pro unified CLI and unified SDK. But I don't think this is an icehouse thing regardless | 21:29 |
| markwash | my take is, programs should own their little part of the SDK within reason, but we can probably solve that regardless of how we structure the client repo(s) | 21:29 |
| sdague | I'm happy that people are diving on it | 21:29 |
| ttx | #topic Red Flag District / Blocked blueprints | 21:30 |
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| ttx | Any inter-project blocked work that this meeting could help unblock ? | 21:30 |
| dolphm | markwash: ++ | 21:30 |
| ttx | Though I suspect the gate is the common issue | 21:30 |
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| ttx | OK, I guess none then | 21:31 |
| ttx | #topic Incubated projects | 21:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 21:31 |
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| devananda | o/ | 21:32 |
| ttx | devananda, kgriffs, SergeyLukjanov: will cut your branches at the same time as the grown-up's | 21:32 |
| devananda | great :) | 21:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | works for me too | 21:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in savanna, we're only have 1 bp and 1 bug in flight | 21:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://launchpad.net/savanna/+milestone/icehouse-2 | 21:32 |
| devananda | we've got a bunch of bug-fixes in flight, stalled on the same slow gate that the grown-ups are stalled on. | 21:32 |
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| ttx | I will defer what's still open | 21:32 |
| ttx | so keep your blueprints status current | 21:33 |
| ttx | (and your bugs too) | 21:33 |
| ttx | any question on that process ? | 21:33 |
| devananda | our BP status is correct (2 implemented) I've deferred the rest that were targeted previously | 21:33 |
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| devananda | please feel free to defer any still-open bugs when you cut. we'll land what we can in the meantime | 21:33 |
| devananda | no questions here | 21:34 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:34 |
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| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 21:34 |
| sdague | on the cross project front... | 21:34 |
| sdague | if you are using eventlet.wsgi to log requests, please turn debug off | 21:34 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67737/ | 21:34 |
| sdague | I proposed that to neutron and nova | 21:34 |
| sdague | otherwise you get a ton of log spam | 21:34 |
| ttx | #info if you are using eventlet.wsgi to log requests, please turn debug off https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67737/ | 21:35 |
| devananda | sdague: thanks for the pointer. I suspect we need to do taht, too | 21:35 |
| ttx | OK, back to useful work, then. | 21:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, are you planning to use 'proposed/icehouse-2' instead of mp branches for i3? | 21:35 |
| ttx | no, mp | 21:35 |
| ttx | the change wasn't merged yet | 21:35 |
| ttx | we migt try that for i-3 | 21:35 |
| ttx | anything else ? | 21:35 |
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| ttx | ok then | 21:36 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:36 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 21 21:36:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-01-21-21.02.html | 21:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-01-21-21.02.txt | 21:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-01-21-21.02.log.html | 21:36 |
| ttx | 24min to do some useful work now | 21:36 |
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| stevebaker | w00t | 21:36 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 21 22:01:15 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 22:01 |
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| jomara_ | hola | 22:01 |
| david-lyle | hello horizoners | 22:01 |
| jtomasek | hello | 22:01 |
| lsmola | hello | 22:01 |
| jpich | Hey | 22:01 |
| MaxV | hey | 22:02 |
| mrunge | hello o/ | 22:02 |
| david-lyle | horizoneers? | 22:02 |
| david-lyle | we need something beter | 22:02 |
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| jomara_ | horizonistas | 22:02 |
| david-lyle | better | 22:02 |
| jcoufal | o/ | 22:02 |
| jomara_ | ^^^ | 22:02 |
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| lblanchard | o/ | 22:02 |
| lsmola | :-) | 22:02 |
| david-lyle | #topic General | 22:03 |
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| david-lyle | The status of the gate is a very big problem and not likely to change very soon | 22:03 |
| mrunge | cough | 22:03 |
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| mrunge | is there anything we can do about this? | 22:04 |
| lsmola | pray? | 22:04 |
| david-lyle | There was discussion of postponing i-2 to let more patches land, but people were not optimistic that would help | 22:04 |
| david-lyle | So, here's the status, as I understand it | 22:04 |
| david-lyle | stable/havana broken and on the back-burner | 22:04 |
| mrunge | grizzly is broken as well | 22:05 |
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| david-lyle | core you should not be able to approve for that right now, and don't do rechecks/reverifies | 22:05 |
| david-lyle | that's on the back burner until trunk works | 22:05 |
| MaxV | maybe a mail to avoid recheck reverify could be interesting | 22:06 |
| david-lyle | for trunk, two things may help a little, more capacity and less gate pressure with the milestone being passed | 22:06 |
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| mrunge | MaxV, at least stable maintainers got such a mail | 22:06 |
| david-lyle | some fixes are in the gate queue but are stuck as well for now | 22:07 |
| david-lyle | Anyway, i-2 will close in the morning | 22:08 |
| david-lyle | anything stuck in the queue will move to i-3 | 22:08 |
| david-lyle | https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/icehouse-2 | 22:09 |
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| david-lyle | lots of solid work has gone into i-2 and hopefully we can make better progress in i-3 | 22:10 |
| david-lyle | lots left on the plate | 22:10 |
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| mrunge | quite impressing folks! | 22:10 |
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| david-lyle | any questions before we move on to the agenda? | 22:11 |
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| david-lyle | ok, https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 22:12 |
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| jpich | That's one long list | 22:13 |
| david-lyle | is way to full. I will start paring that down this week. If you own something and it gets moved out. If you complete it, we can move it back in | 22:13 |
| david-lyle | s/to/too | 22:13 |
| mrunge | sounds good to me | 22:13 |
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| david-lyle | if you own something you know you won't have time for in the next 5-6 weeks let me know and I can move it | 22:14 |
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| david-lyle | #topic jshint issue | 22:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "jshint issue (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 22:14 | |
| david-lyle | so, we've recently determined we can't bundle jshint | 22:15 |
| david-lyle | due to licensing issues | 22:15 |
| david-lyle | we will remove it before the i-2 milestone is cut | 22:15 |
| MaxV | I think we are stuck with this silly sentence in the licence | 22:15 |
| lsmola | :-o | 22:16 |
| mrunge | yupp MaxV | 22:16 |
| david-lyle | mrunge has a revert https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68268/ up for review | 22:16 |
| mrunge | jslint upstream made it clear not to re-license that stuff | 22:16 |
| mrunge | and jshint still bases on jslint | 22:16 |
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| david-lyle | unless someone tells me, the world's going to collapse if we revert, I will approve it after the meeting | 22:16 |
| MaxV | the world will not collapse but it is like coding in python without pep8 | 22:17 |
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| david-lyle | what we need to work toward is separating the js/css from horizon | 22:17 |
| mrunge | +1 | 22:17 |
| david-lyle | MaxV: understood | 22:17 |
| mrunge | nothing prevents us from requiring separate libraries | 22:18 |
| MaxV | maybe the separation needs to be made quickly, a lot of issues depend on it | 22:18 |
| mrunge | but we may not bundle libs | 22:18 |
| david-lyle | mordred and krotscheck have some interesting things up for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67729/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67721/ | 22:18 |
| david-lyle | this will install node in the venv using tox, by pulling it down. I also does this on the gate servers | 22:19 |
| david-lyle | s/I/It/ | 22:19 |
| mrunge | ouch | 22:19 |
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| david-lyle | this would allow us to run node based tools in the gate jobs, but not bundle it, nor require it | 22:19 |
| jcoufal | +1 for separation js/css | 22:20 |
| david-lyle | we can leverage node, or not where applicable | 22:20 |
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| MaxV | do we have a blueprint or a draft for this? | 22:20 |
| david-lyle | the split is part of the large split bp | 22:20 |
| david-lyle | I didn't get any opposition to the idea | 22:20 |
| david-lyle | the nodejs toolchain integration is not necessarily part of that change | 22:21 |
| david-lyle | the split is beneficial either way | 22:21 |
| david-lyle | I just wanted to point out that there will be options | 22:22 |
| mrunge | MaxV, for reference https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/separate-horizon-from-dashboard | 22:22 |
| david-lyle | thanks mrunge | 22:22 |
| david-lyle | too many windows open for me | 22:22 |
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| mrunge | yeah. always the same... | 22:22 |
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| david-lyle | back to topic though, jshint is going for now | 22:23 |
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| david-lyle | #topic meeting-time | 22:23 |
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| david-lyle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67152/ is up for review and will add logging to a new meeting room | 22:24 |
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| david-lyle | once that's approved, we will move the meeting time. Thanks everyone who is still dealing with terrible TZ differences for sticking with us until that happens | 22:24 |
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| david-lyle | again I will send an email to the ML when I can make it happen | 22:25 |
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| lblanchard | thanks david-lyle! | 22:25 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, thanks for tracking this change down for us! | 22:25 |
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| david-lyle | #topic Discuss integration of Tuskar UI | 22:26 |
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| jcoufal | thank you david-lyle | 22:26 |
| david-lyle | so we are closer here | 22:26 |
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| david-lyle | the launchpad group is now owned by horizon-drivers | 22:27 |
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| david-lyle | please send a list of the current tuskar-ui core and I will add those individually | 22:27 |
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| david-lyle | the second part is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68264/ | 22:28 |
| lsmola | david-lyle, will send you the list tomorrow | 22:28 |
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| david-lyle | which will need to be approved before the gerrit part will be finalized | 22:28 |
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| lsmola | david-lyle, do I see only horizon-core can approve? | 22:31 |
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| david-lyle | lsmola: yes at this point. I think we need to add another gerrit group until tuskar is integrated | 22:31 |
| david-lyle | I need to work with infra on that | 22:31 |
| lsmola | david-lyle, or what is horizon-core group in this context? | 22:31 |
| lsmola | david-lyle, would be nice to do it before, so we can push patches in :-) | 22:32 |
| jcoufal | david-lyle: should that be a special group then? | 22:33 |
| david-lyle | lsmola: understood. TBH, I didn't know about the gerrit/acls files until about an hour ago | 22:33 |
| lsmola | david-lyle, ok, great | 22:33 |
| david-lyle | jcoufal: I think so for now | 22:33 |
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| lsmola | david-lyle, yes, another group for us | 22:33 |
| jcoufal | lsmola: we can write the names down and send them tomorrow | 22:34 |
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| lsmola | yes | 22:34 |
| david-lyle | just wanted to let you know we're moving, just slowly like the gate :P | 22:34 |
| lsmola | david-lyle, hehe | 22:34 |
| david-lyle | it's contagious | 22:34 |
| lsmola | david-lyle, thank you for doing this :-) | 22:34 |
| lsmola | lol | 22:34 |
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| jcoufal | david-lyle: thank you? | 22:35 |
| jcoufal | ! | 22:35 |
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| david-lyle | sorry, it's taking so long. | 22:36 |
| david-lyle | jcoufal: you're welcome? | 22:36 |
| david-lyle | :) | 22:36 |
| jomara_ | jcoufal: say it like you mean it! | 22:36 |
| lsmola | david-lyle, I think it's going fast :-) | 22:36 |
| david-lyle | #topic Open Season | 22:36 |
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| david-lyle | I've been watching the tuskar-ui changes, is progress mostly gated by the API layer? | 22:37 |
| david-lyle | service layer | 22:37 |
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| lsmola | david-lyle, not sure what you mean, I am kind of lost in gates | 22:38 |
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| david-lyle | tied to service layer implementation | 22:39 |
| jtomasek | david-lyle: we are mostly mocking data, so we dont depend on api too much with the UI implementation | 22:39 |
| tzumainn | david-lyle, right now we're kind of developing independently of the api layer, although we communicate with them - we mock | 22:39 |
| tzumainn | oh, right, what jtomasek just said | 22:39 |
| david-lyle | ok, thanks | 22:40 |
| lsmola | david-lyle, but tuskar API is only small part of what we use | 22:40 |
| lsmola | david-lyle, we use also APIs of heat, ironic, nova.. | 22:40 |
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| david-lyle | right, makes sense | 22:41 |
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| lsmola | david-lyle, but right now the whole tuskar UI just call mocked API, yes | 22:41 |
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| * david-lyle needs to dig in | 22:41 | |
| david-lyle | but there's nothing blocking your progress other than Horizon, right? | 22:42 |
| lsmola | david-lyle, well yeah, and the APIs, cause we are usning features that don't exist yet | 22:42 |
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| lsmola | david-lyle, that is why we are mocking :-) | 22:43 |
| david-lyle | but the UI can move more quickly than the API | 22:43 |
| lsmola | david-lyle, so right now only Horizon | 22:43 |
| david-lyle | so mocks make sense | 22:43 |
| tzumainn | david-lyle, exactly, that's how we've set up development | 22:43 |
| david-lyle | https://launchpad.net/tuskar-ui/+milestone/icehouse-2 | 22:44 |
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| david-lyle | since you're not tied to the release schedule that seems to be fine | 22:45 |
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| david-lyle | ok, </my detour> | 22:46 |
| lsmola | david-lyle, yes :-) | 22:46 |
| jcoufal | david-lyle: in icehouse-3 we are about to deliver the whole deployment management ;) | 22:46 |
| lsmola | hehe | 22:46 |
| lsmola | yes we can do it | 22:46 |
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| david-lyle | jcoufal: glad it's something small and manageable :) | 22:47 |
| lsmola | with probability like 73 percent | 22:47 |
| david-lyle | I think your decimal place is off | 22:47 |
| tzumainn | lol | 22:47 |
| david-lyle | :) | 22:47 |
| jcoufal | 73,9, don't be that pesimistic ;) | 22:47 |
| lsmola | hehe | 22:47 |
| david-lyle | other issues, topics, concerns? | 22:47 |
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| jpich | A short note/PSA/request maybe :-) | 22:48 |
| david-lyle | absolutely | 22:48 |
| jpich | I wanted to say a quick word about being careful about taking on bugs that are already assigned to someone else. If the bug had recent activity, consider being considerate (:-)) and ask the current assignee first if they're still working on it | 22:49 |
| jpich | It can be pretty discouraging for people to see their efforts wasted, especially if they're new and/or only have limited time to give to the project (like volunteers contributing in their free time) | 22:49 |
| jcoufal | +1 for that | 22:50 |
| david-lyle | jpich: good reminder | 22:50 |
| mrunge | yes! | 22:50 |
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| lblanchard | agreed! | 22:50 |
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| jpich | Cheers. I saw a few while catching up on my LP backlog, glad we seem to be on the same page :) | 22:50 |
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| lsmola | definitely | 22:51 |
| david-lyle | if the bug has an owner, please contact them directly if you feel you can help, or email me and I will contact them | 22:51 |
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| david-lyle | people do get pull away to other things, so it's perfectly fine to ask | 22:52 |
| david-lyle | s/pull/pulled/ | 22:52 |
| david-lyle | I need a language without tense | 22:52 |
| david-lyle | and spelling | 22:52 |
| lsmola | hehe | 22:52 |
| lblanchard | lol | 22:52 |
| david-lyle | or grammar and punctuation | 22:52 |
| jpich | Haha | 22:52 |
| lblanchard | wingdings? | 22:52 |
| MaxV | telepathy could be a good solution | 22:52 |
| lsmola | klingon? | 22:52 |
| mrunge | like simplified English? | 22:53 |
| MaxV | but I do not think IRC channels exit for that | 22:53 |
| david-lyle | considering I haven't mastered my mother tongue, I don't think there's hope with a new language | 22:53 |
| lsmola | lol | 22:53 |
| jpich | I'm partial to speaking multiple languages badly :-) | 22:53 |
| david-lyle | built in benefit of the doubt there | 22:54 |
| david-lyle | little status... I'm about halfway done with the navigation changes. I hope to have it completed by the end of the week. | 22:55 |
| jpich | Cool :) | 22:56 |
| mrunge | yupp, sounds interesting | 22:56 |
| lsmola | great | 22:56 |
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| david-lyle | I imagine I will leave some of the finer stylings to someone in a subsequent patch | 22:57 |
| jpich | +1 to iterative approach | 22:57 |
| david-lyle | anyone else ? lsmola? | 22:57 |
| david-lyle | :) | 22:57 |
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| lsmola | hehe | 22:58 |
| lsmola | david-lyle, nope :-) | 22:58 |
| david-lyle | ??? | 22:58 |
| lsmola | david-lyle, nothing from me :-) | 22:58 |
| lblanchard | nothing here! | 22:59 |
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| david-lyle | Alright everyone, great job on i-2. We have a lot to be proud of, and the items that missed we'll get in i-3. Keep up the good work. | 22:59 |
| lsmola | yaaay | 22:59 |
| jpich | Thanks, everyone! | 22:59 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 22:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 21 22:59:55 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-01-21-22.01.html | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-01-21-22.01.txt | 22:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-01-21-22.01.log.html | 23:00 |
| lblanchard | thanks all, have a great week | 23:00 |
| mrunge | yeah, thanks everyone! | 23:00 |
| jcoufal | sounds great | 23:00 |
| jomara_ | thanks everyone | 23:00 |
| lsmola | have a great night everybody | 23:00 |
| jcoufal | thanks david-lyle, all have a great day/night | 23:00 |
| jtomasek | good night all | 23:00 |
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