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| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 27 16:02:06 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | Hey everyboyd! | 16:02 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | everybody even | 16:02 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:02 |
| eharney | hi | 16:02 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:02 |
| parash-hallur | Hello everyone | 16:02 |
| kmartin | hello | 16:02 |
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| avishay | hello | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | couple things on the agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | anybody from Mirantis here to talk ACL? | 16:03 |
| avishay | jgriffith: that's under dec 4 ... not sure if on purpose or not | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | DOH | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | todays the 27'th | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | avishay: thanks :) | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | Ok then | 16:04 |
| avishay | :) | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | #topic update on volume mirroring design | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "update on volume mirroring design (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:04 | |
| avishay | OK, so I have a new etherpad up with a new design for volume mirroring | 16:04 |
| avishay | (it's linked from the original) | 16:04 |
| avishay | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-cinder-continuous-volume-replication-v2 | 16:04 |
| avishay | Basic highlights: | 16:05 |
| avishay | 1. it's controlled by volume types - not visible or controlled by non-admins | 16:05 |
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| avishay | 2. we're only dealing with 1 cinder deployment - not mirroring between multiple | 16:05 |
| avishay | I think it's pretty simple for a first pass, and would appreciate feedback on it before I implement too much | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I like it personally | 16:06 |
| avishay | Mostly I'm unsure of which method is best for new database tables, which I'd like to hear feedback on | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | and I'd rather start with the simpler cases like this and build on them | 16:06 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: +1 | 16:07 |
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| avishay | For example, should a second volume copy be a new DB table, or just use Volume? And should it be controlled by extra_specs or add a new table like QoS? | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I'm also open to revisiting API commands for the user to select replication schemes later but I'd rather get this simple case in first | 16:07 |
| avishay | jgriffith: yup that's the plan. give the users something simple, and see what features are needed in the futures. | 16:07 |
| avishay | future* | 16:07 |
| thingee | at the summit it seemed like we were trying to solve stacks that exist on different planets. I'd rather not go down that rabbit hole | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | thingee: +1000 | 16:08 |
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| avishay | thingee: different planets sounds exciting, but yes :) | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | avishay: so backing up to the DB part | 16:08 |
| bswartz | avishay: so if I'm reading this right -- the backend implements the mirroring and then informs cinder where the mirror copy is? | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I was thinking it should be another instance of a volume object/table | 16:08 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: i.e., another row in the Volume table? | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | avishay: correct | 16:09 |
| navneet_ | jgriffith: +1 | 16:09 |
| avishay | bswartz: basically yes - cinder is not implementing the moving of the bits | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | avishay: and then either some additional columns that will be needed, OR an reference table specific for rep | 16:09 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: i am leaning towards that direction, and we can take advantage of admin_metadata | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: which? The FK idea? | 16:10 |
| bswartz | avishay: and more importantly, the decision of where to move the bits it out of cinder's control, correct? The driver decides and just tells cinder. | 16:10 |
| avishay | jgriffith: FK? | 16:10 |
| thingee | foreign key | 16:11 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I don't think FKs were planned. | 16:11 |
| avishay | bswartz: no, the scheduler will choose two backends - each driver will report who it can talk to | 16:11 |
| navneet_ | avishay:the information about mirrored entity is backend specific | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: avishay what I'm saying is: | 16:11 |
| avishay | jgriffith: the idea of adding another row in the DB for the copy | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | there's likely going to be a need for some db info specific to rep | 16:11 |
| bswartz | avishay: ahh, that's an important distinction | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | whether those become columns to the existing volume table or a fk in the volume table to a new rep table | 16:12 |
| avishay | jgriffith: yes, we can either add a new table for that or stuff it in admin_metadata | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | however I may be getting ahead of things | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | and I know thingee was working on some ideas for persistence without having to muck in the DB | 16:12 |
| avishay | not sure pros or cons | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | FK's are a PITA for migrations | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | not a big deal, just another moving part for DuncanT to deal with in his rolling upgrades | 16:13 |
| thingee | I don't want to get in a deep discussion about this - but is this consider an extension or not? I have ideas on allowing extensions to have tables and avoid adding more metadata...just curious | 16:13 |
| avishay | i'm thinking i should put up a patch for just the DB and get feedback on it before moving on | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I believe this might be a core api function but not sure | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | thingee: the problem is it doesn't have to be implemented, which by def means NOT core | 16:14 |
| avishay | this isn't actually in the API | 16:14 |
| avishay | there is a new admin API for failover, but no user API | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | avishay: yeah, it's kinda of a "new" case | 16:14 |
| avishay | it's part of create_volume | 16:14 |
| thingee | avishay: part of the rest api or not, I think it'll be important to distinguish this now | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: to start with it'll be just another instantiation of volume-type | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | avishay: correct? | 16:15 |
| thingee | just with some ideas I have in how things can actually "plugin" to cinder. | 16:15 |
| thingee | that aren't part of the normal core of create, delete, detach, attach, etc | 16:15 |
| avishay | thingee: what do you mean by "another instantiation"? | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | avishay: that was me :) | 16:15 |
| avishay | yea sorry, mistyped :) | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I meant... another use case for volume-types | 16:15 |
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| * thingee is apparently louder than jgriffith | 16:15 | |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:16 |
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| avishay | thingee: i'd be very happy to hear about them | 16:16 |
| avishay | especially if it simplifies things :) | 16:16 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: basically the admin should make a volume type with mirroring_enabling=True and mirroring_target_rpo=60, and that's it (or do something more like QoS - up to you all) | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | avishay: right, that's what I was getting at | 16:18 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: cool | 16:18 |
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| avishay | thingee: what were your thoughts on plugging in? | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: and a category like we did with QoS might be a good idea from the start | 16:19 |
| * jgriffith hadn't thought of that | 16:19 | |
| avishay | jgriffith: ok, i can do that | 16:19 |
| thingee | avishay: lets save it for when I have something properly written. I don't think it has to delay this. I just wanted to scratch the surface of what I think is core anyways and what plugins are | 16:19 |
| avishay | thingee: OK, looking forward to it :) | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | alright... that all sounds pretty good to me | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | anybody else? | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | avishay: anything else you want to bring up on the topic? | 16:20 |
| * thingee is the only one working at the office it seems so should be quiet to write something up | 16:20 | |
| avishay | eventually i'd like to use taskflow for this as well, but i'll put up some initial versions and hope to get feedback early on | 16:20 |
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| avishay | that's all i have, thanks! | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | avishay: thank you | 16:21 |
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| thingee | avishay: so I briefly talked at the summit about my plugin ideas, and it heavily relies on taskflow in order to "inject" actions in core for manager, etc | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | #topic Mock RULES!! | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: sorry... I cut you off | 16:21 |
| avishay | thingee: yep i remember - sounds cool | 16:21 |
| avishay | jgriffith: you cut thingee off with his own topic :P | 16:21 |
| thingee | avishay: it would be great if new things coming in were ready with taskflow | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | I know :P | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | see how I am | 16:22 |
| dosaboy | +1 for moving to mock | 16:22 |
| * thingee is cutting himself off | 16:22 | |
| thingee | dosaboy: +1 | 16:22 |
| thingee | ha | 16:22 |
| avishay | thingee: yep - i plan on using taskflow before it's out of WIP status | 16:22 |
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| thingee | so if you read the nova discussion, you'll see newer tests are going this direction. older tests, we'll get there | 16:22 |
| eharney | +1000 for mock from me... my experience has convinced me that mock works much better for most of our tests than the other methods | 16:22 |
| avishay | quick summary of why it's better for those of use who haven't used it? | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: +1 | 16:23 |
| thingee | I personally spent a bit of time figuring out mox. docs weren't that great IMO. | 16:23 |
| avishay | though we already have +1002 for it :P | 16:23 |
| eharney | most of our stubs-based tests have a bunch of holes | 16:23 |
| thingee | py3 compat | 16:23 |
| thingee | it's in stdlib | 16:23 |
| thingee | it has awesome use of context managers | 16:23 |
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| avishay | thingee: do you have a good starter link? | 16:24 |
| thingee | it's pretty much similar to mox, but different interface. none of this replaceall verifyall stuff | 16:24 |
| avishay | cool | 16:24 |
| dosaboy | p3 compat and the fact that mox is hardly maintined these days are the main factors for switching afaict | 16:24 |
| thingee | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57843/3/cinder/tests/test_volume.py | 16:24 |
| thingee | dosaboy: +1 | 16:24 |
| thingee | in that patch I use patching as a context manager and decorator | 16:25 |
| avishay | thingee: yep i saw that. was easy to read. | 16:25 |
| thingee | kinda neat I think | 16:25 |
| thingee | all the docs you need http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/mock/ | 16:25 |
| thingee | for patching specifically http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/mock/patch.html | 16:25 |
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| avishay | thingee: thanks | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | sounds good... so we want to make this a req for all new tests | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | anybody disagree? | 16:27 |
| thingee | my proposal is to ask reviewers to start enforcing new tests in mock | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: +1 from me | 16:27 |
| * jgriffith knows he'll be the first to submit without doing this though :) | 16:27 | |
| avishay | haha | 16:27 |
| dosaboy | i think we should speicifcally create tasks to convert to mock and share them among us | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Have they officially made the same decision for Nova? | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: I'm down with that, but it doesn't fit in to my priority list at the moment | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | Just curious. | 16:28 |
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| dosaboy | otherwise we end up with a hash and people will still be tempted to copy and paste the mox stuff | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: of course if that's something somebody would like to work on that would be great | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: understood | 16:28 |
| dosaboy | or code tests in a mox-like way | 16:28 |
| dosaboy | but yeah priorities ;) | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: don't know.. and don't really care TBH :) | 16:28 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Fair enough. :-) | 16:29 |
| dosaboy | every project is try to do the same afaik | 16:29 |
| dosaboy | trying | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: despite popular belief Nova does not rule the world | 16:29 |
| avishay | i'm sure converting all the tests would uncover a ton of bugs :) | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | avishay: our tests do a great job of testing the test code | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | dosaboy: Ok. I heard rumors but wasn't sure. | 16:29 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-November/018520.html | 16:29 |
| eharney | do we think it's actually possible to convert all of our mox uses to mock? (i.e. any missing capabilities?) | 16:30 |
| winston-1 | we may start -1 new test cases not using mock | 16:30 |
| winston-1 | start from there | 16:30 |
| avishay | can we mock people who don't use mock? (sorry, had to) | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Thanks. That makes sense. | 16:30 |
| winston-1 | avishay: :) | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | Oh avishay ! | 16:31 |
| avishay | OK sounds good to me | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | alrighty... any other comments on this one? | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: as far as creating a task | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | to convert | 16:32 |
| thingee | eharney: I've spent time with both mox and mock, and they seem to have similar functionality. | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | I'm cool with that but time is a concern IMO | 16:33 |
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| dosaboy | i work with the guy who wrote mock so can (attempt to) field issues if needs be | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: that's a LOT of work | 16:33 |
| eharney | thingee: yeah i have a question about your example test -- will ask after the meeting | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | dosaboy: do you want to do a bp? | 16:33 |
| dosaboy | i have not used it much myself yet though | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | or does anybody else have thoughts/opinions on reworking all the tests | 16:34 |
| thingee | also mox and mock comparisons here http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/mock/compare.html | 16:34 |
| thingee | should be useful for those getting started | 16:34 |
| dosaboy | jgriffith: perhaps an etherpad to start so people can joit down ideas/concerns etc | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-mock-conversion | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | thingee: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-mock-conversion | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | should start by putting thingee 's links there | 16:35 |
| dosaboy | cool i'll keep an eye on it! | 16:35 |
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| winston-1 | maybe everyone should clean his/her own table? start from driver owners, they should convert test cases to mock by the end of I ? | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | winston-1: maybe | 16:36 |
| dosaboy | winston-1: that's quite a tall order ;) | 16:36 |
| bswartz | winston-1: -1 | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | but when I look at our bug list I see other things I'd much rather we were working on TBH | 16:36 |
| avishay | jgriffith: +1 | 16:36 |
| bswartz | I'm all for using something new but changing existing stuff doesn't seem like a good idea | 16:36 |
| winston-1 | then by the end of J. ;) | 16:36 |
| thingee | jgriffith: +1 | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | I say for now we just make new tests going forward convert | 16:37 |
| avishay | i think this should be like taskflow...use it for new stuff and gradually convert the old | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | see how things go | 16:37 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: +1 | 16:37 |
| dosaboy | bswartz: it will be an issue for certifying python3 support though | 16:37 |
| avishay | winston-1: definitely by L :) | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | and when people are doing maintenance or updating an existing test they can feel free to update | 16:37 |
| winston-1 | avishay: personally, i'm fine with Z. :) | 16:37 |
| avishay | winston-1: haha | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | winston-1: LOL | 16:37 |
| thingee | if people would own certain modules and commit to doing a few test cases a week... | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | alright... let's start with what we have with hopes/plans to make a project wide conversion during I and J | 16:38 |
| thingee | it might go faster | 16:38 |
| bswartz | Z is closer than you think | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | haha | 16:38 |
| bswartz | 2027 by my math | 16:38 |
| winston-1 | so ignore my stupid idea, let's focus on new testcases first | 16:38 |
| thingee | jgriffith: should I add to hacking our requirement on mock new tests *when* possible? | 16:39 |
| avishay | winston-1: not stupid...wish i had the time :) | 16:39 |
| avishay | i'd also covert stuff to taskflow if i had more cycles :) | 16:39 |
| winston-1 | avishay: i know, me too. | 16:39 |
| * thingee should do more since he doesn't have a kid yet | 16:40 | |
| jgriffith | thingee: probably | 16:40 |
| winston-1 | i think we may encourage new contributors who are willing to do something to put their energy on test cases. | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: whoa... what? | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | thingee: you expecting? | 16:40 |
| thingee | no! | 16:40 |
| thingee | don't start rumors in the community | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | winston-1: that's a good point | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | thingee: too late | 16:40 |
| avishay | thingee: that means you should do less - go have fun while you can!! :P | 16:40 |
| thingee | oh the tabloids | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: just sent a congratulations email to lists@openstack.org | 16:41 |
| avishay | lol | 16:41 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | thingee: and TMZ, Enquirer, MTV NBC, Fox news etc etc | 16:41 |
| winston-1 | thingee: reply to all already. | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | 16:41 | |
| * jungleboyj is glad this meeting is on IRC so I can hear it over my yelling children. | 16:41 | |
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| jgriffith | LOL | 16:41 |
| avishay | haha | 16:41 |
| thingee | anyways... | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | alright... so we have a justification to move everything | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | just need to find the time/resources to do it | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | let's see how things go the next couple weeks and try to firm up a plan | 16:42 |
| thingee | ok /action thingee will update hacking - reviewers will be on the watch for new tests using mock instead | 16:42 |
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| winston-1 | thingee: +1 | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | I think doing a BP and pointing new comers to it as Low Hanging Fruit might be a good idea | 16:42 |
| thingee | jgriffith: +1 | 16:42 |
| avishay | yep | 16:42 |
| avishay | great way to learn the code | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | Makes sense. | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | alrighty... | 16:43 |
| winston-1 | agree | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | #topic rate-limiting | 16:44 |
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| jgriffith | so the comments there are interesting | 16:44 |
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| jgriffith | I don't necessarily agree with everything Joe says... but he does make some valid points | 16:44 |
| avishay | yea this was just an FYI to DuncanT and whoever else was working on this .. i don't have much to add | 16:44 |
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| * jgriffith has never been a fan of rate-limiting to begin with :) | 16:45 | |
| jgriffith | but I do think it has valid uses | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | and if people don't care then they just don't use it AFAIC | 16:45 |
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| DuncanT | It's an annoyingly hard problem to get right, and I agree the current implementation is of extremely limited use | 16:46 |
| avishay | agree | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: you live!!! | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | Just about | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | alright, I'm not sure there's an action item here for us right now | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | hemnafk: had some interest here | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | and kmartin I believe as well | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | however they're setting this on the backend | 16:47 |
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| kmartin | we support rate limiting on the backend | 16:47 |
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| avishay | no action item, just learn from nova's mistakes | 16:47 |
| winston-1 | this rate-limit is different from THE rate-limit I was doing in H, right | 16:48 |
| winston-1 | ? | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | winston-1: it's the hypervisor implementation of it | 16:48 |
| avishay | wait this is confusing | 16:48 |
| kmartin | winston-1: yeah what John said | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | haha!!! | 16:49 |
| * jgriffith was completely confused | 16:49 | |
| jgriffith | sorry | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | winston-1: you're correct | 16:49 |
| avishay | there is Data rate-limiting ( winston-1 in H ) , and API rate limiting ( DuncanT in I) | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | winston-1: this is NOT data rate-limiting | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | my fault | 16:49 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: +1 | 16:49 |
| winston-1 | wait, Nova remove api rate-limit | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | geesh | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | winston-1: it would appear so | 16:50 |
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| winston-1 | phew | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | They removed naive rate limiting, which is basically what we said in the summit... the basic implementation isn't actually a lot of use | 16:50 |
| avishay | so there isn't much to discuss here, just pointed out the thread so we don't fall into the same holes as nova did | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | avishay: thx | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | and sorry everyone for my confusion there | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | Ok... | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | #topic metadata backup | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | dosaboy: | 16:51 |
| dosaboy | so just wanted to do a quick rfc on the metadata backup patch | 16:51 |
| dosaboy | since it has gone kinda quiet and I know it is a topic dear to everybody's heart ;) | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:51 |
| dosaboy | it is targeted for I2 so just wanna make sure it does not stall | 16:51 |
| dosaboy | i reworked the implemetation to fit the last review | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | We're all behind on reviews I think | 16:51 |
| dosaboy | TSM guys are happy to implement it, I think nexenta too | 16:51 |
| dosaboy | so I've got Ceph covered and I think DuncanT said he would do Swift | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: My personal take is "retype, metadata backup and ACL" are priorities for us to look at this week | 16:52 |
| dosaboy | so this was really just an "anything else?" | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | I know ACL isn't *ready* per say | 16:52 |
| navneet_ | dosaboy: link plz | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | but I'd like to help Anastasia get that in sooner rather than later assuming everybody else still wants it | 16:52 |
| * jgriffith isn't sure | 16:52 | |
| dosaboy | navneet_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51900/ | 16:52 |
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| jgriffith | which is kind of a descent topic | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | #review priorities | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | #topic review priorities | 16:53 |
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| jgriffith | Everybody have a look at dosaboy metadata backup patch :) | 16:53 |
| dosaboy | yay! | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | and avishay 's retype patch | 16:54 |
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| avishay | woohoo | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | the retype loooks pretty good to me, I just need to sort through quota testing | 16:54 |
| dosaboy | and try to contain your excitement | 16:54 |
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| dosaboy | i need to write some unit tests for it | 16:54 |
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| jgriffith | anybody have things in flight they want to bring attention to and feel should be priority? | 16:54 |
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| dosaboy | oh 1 more thing | 16:55 |
| avishay | dosaboy: not sure why your patch doesn't show up for me here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/cinder+OR+project:openstack/python-cinderclient),n,z | 16:55 |
| dosaboy | re the sync locking thing | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | also please check https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/icehouse-1 | 16:55 |
| winston-1 | sure | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | Note that 12/05 (next week) is our due date | 16:55 |
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| dosaboy | Qin suggested we intoduce read/write locks as well as rthe EXCL we currenty have | 16:55 |
| dosaboy | i think its a good idea | 16:56 |
| dosaboy | but not surw how best to do it | 16:56 |
| dosaboy | should it be in oslo or direct in cinder? | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | Direct in cinder | 16:56 |
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| jgriffith | dosaboy: direct and if Nova and others find it useful we can move it | 16:56 |
| dosaboy | DuncanT: that woulkd remove the serialisation issue | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | promote it | 16:57 |
| DuncanT | They can move to OSLO once they've been shown to be useful, well designed and that somebody else needs tehm | 16:57 |
| dosaboy | ok cool | 16:57 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: +1 | 16:57 |
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| jgriffith | FWIW that was supposed to be how the whole OSLO thing worked | 16:57 |
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| dosaboy | i'll create a new task for that so we can move 56442 along | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | Ok... any other comments here? | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | I have on other quick topic if not | 16:58 |
| dosaboy | shoot | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | #topic CI gate | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | So there's a new idea we want to try | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | no more "recheck/reverify no bug" allowed in the gates | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | any failure must have a bug associated with it | 16:59 |
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| dosaboy | +1 (although I know it means more pain) | 16:59 |
| eharney | for both recheck and reverify? | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: it is | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | eharney: correct | 16:59 |
| eharney | ok | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | The reason being that there are too many things that get missed/untracked | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | and there's a common behavior of just "no bug" | 16:59 |
| eharney | was thinking this was only going to apply to reverify based on discussion i had seen | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | not necessarily cinder folks | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | but anyway | 17:00 |
| eharney | sounds good though | 17:00 |
| avishay | i've seen cases where there really is no bug (test script didn't start for some reason), but others where people say "no bug" and a unit test failed | 17:00 |
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| navneet_ | jgriffith: or have a general bug number for no bug? | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: in those cases we should file a bug against CI | 17:00 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: OK will do | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I ran in to that one the other day and that's what I did | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | I've also started tagging bugs with gate-failure | 17:00 |
| dosaboy | for those who don't have it - http://status.openstack.org/rechecks/ | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | when appropriate to help sort things a big | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | eharney: just doing reverify only frankly misses a good chunk of data IMO | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | I don't think it's that difficult to put forth a little extra effort here | 17:01 |
| eharney | i will admit that it isn't always obvious whether to file a bug against ci, tempest, the project, etc. if we're going to start filing more strange looking failure bugs, is there a recommended place to start when we don't know which is relevant? | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | and the data collection is very helpful | 17:01 |
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| thingee | that's time | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | eharney: when in doubt tempest with the test name | 17:02 |
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| eharney | k | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | testname, and link to logs | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | ok | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | thanks everyone | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 27 17:02:16 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-11-27-16.02.html | 17:02 |
| avishay | bye all, thanks, happy holidays where relevant :) | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-11-27-16.02.txt | 17:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-11-27-16.02.log.html | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | thingee: thnks for keeping the time | 17:02 |
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| * hartsocks waves just a moment folks | 17:03 | |
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| hartsocks | #startmeeting VMwareAPI | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 27 17:03:52 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hartsocks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:03 |
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| hartsocks | Hi everyone. Let's do a short meeting today b/c the holiday coming up. | 17:04 |
| hartsocks | Who's around? | 17:04 |
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| tjones | hi hartsocks | 17:04 |
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| rgerganov | hello | 17:04 |
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| garyk | yo | 17:04 |
| danflorea | hey | 17:05 |
| syerrapragada | hi | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | Let's just hop through these topics #bugs #blueprint (of the week) and #opendiscussion | 17:06 |
| hartsocks | #topic bugs | 17:06 |
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| hartsocks | Last week we said we would follow up on 2 bugs... | 17:06 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1252827 | 17:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1252827 in openstack-vmwareapi-team "VMWARE: Intermittent problem with stats reporting" [Critical,In progress] | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | I got asked to bump this down to "High" priority in Nova. | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | But this is "Critical" for us. | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | So … | 17:07 |
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| garyk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58705/ | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | VMwareAPI-Team shows it as critical. | 17:08 |
| hartsocks | garyk: *awesome* | 17:08 |
| hartsocks | We had a phone-based group chat on what was going on with that bug... | 17:08 |
| danflorea | Nice. Now we need some of that karma with reviews. | 17:08 |
| garyk | +1 | 17:09 |
| hartsocks | our best guess right now is that the root cause is property collectors and property filters are session specific... | 17:09 |
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| tjones | there's only one guy signed up to review. so please add yourselves | 17:09 |
| hartsocks | so, we need to retry, not at the failed method level directly, but we need to reset-up the whole session or whole sequence of calls. | 17:09 |
| tjones | hartsocks: not to rathole but if that were true wouldn't ALL retries fail? | 17:10 |
| hartsocks | *potentially* | 17:10 |
| hartsocks | Right now we're better off fixing this in a one-off. | 17:11 |
| tjones | but if this turns out to be true we better get a BP in for fixing this right :-D | 17:11 |
| hartsocks | I have a general strategy I would like to propose but, I'll table it for another venue. | 17:12 |
| garyk | we need to do analysis of the logs on the vc and esx. at the moment we are working on adding these to the report logs. that will help crystalize theories etc | 17:12 |
| tjones | by "right" i mean for other cases | 17:12 |
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| tjones | not that garyk didn't do it "right" :-D | 17:12 |
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| garyk | heh - i never do it right | 17:12 |
| tjones | LOL | 17:13 |
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| hartsocks | garyk: functioning and real beats imaginary and perfect *every* time! | 17:13 |
| garyk | :) | 17:13 |
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| hartsocks | Okay, so that's a biggie bug. I brought attention to with the Nova Core that we'll want their help getting it approved fast. | 17:14 |
| hartsocks | Also we mentioned… *digs for link* | 17:14 |
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| * hartsocks groans, lost browser tabs | 17:14 | |
| hartsocks | bug/1195139 | 17:15 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1195139 | 17:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1195139 in openstack-vmwareapi-team "vmware: error when using postgresql as DB" [High,In progress] | 17:15 |
| hartsocks | I was asked to bump this down from Critical to "high" as well. | 17:15 |
| garyk | that is in review and just needs to be approved | 17:15 |
| hartsocks | So I've put it under VMwareAPI-Team so we can set our own priorities. | 17:15 |
| garyk | the docker issue for the same thing was approved | 17:15 |
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| garyk | but i guess that is how it goes | 17:16 |
| hartsocks | Nice. I'll be sure to whine… er… mention it. | 17:16 |
| garyk | we have 2 +2's on this one and a ton of +1's…. | 17:16 |
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| hartsocks | In general, it is practically impossible for a nova driver to have a "Critical" bug under the new priority scheme. | 17:16 |
| hartsocks | I don't agree with it, but if we bump against that too much I don't expect good will. | 17:17 |
| tjones | why has this one not merged with 2 +2? | 17:17 |
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| garyk | joe wanted an extra core reviewer to take a look. | 17:17 |
| tjones | oh ok | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | The second +2 doesn't necessarily equal "approved" BTW. | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | It often can. | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | But not always. | 17:18 |
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| hartsocks | I bumped that to "Critical" on our side. | 17:18 |
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| hartsocks | It will show as High/Critical in our reports. | 17:19 |
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| hartsocks | Anything else or any other bugs we need to look at? | 17:19 |
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| tjones | my remote debug thing - i need to ask russellb to remove his -2 | 17:20 |
| hartsocks | link? | 17:20 |
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| tjones | digging | 17:20 |
| tjones | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56287/ | 17:20 |
| tjones | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56287/ | 17:20 |
| hartsocks | nice. | 17:21 |
| danflorea | We need to also push on reviews to get bugs merged. Is that a different topic? | 17:21 |
| hartsocks | #action ping russellb on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56287/ to remove -2 | 17:21 |
| garyk | danflorea: agreed. we have the multi dc issue which has been in review (not really reviewed) for nearly 2 months | 17:21 |
| hartsocks | I've been slacking a bit on my biweekly reports… so... | 17:22 |
| hartsocks | #action get more reports to nova-core asking for their reviews | 17:22 |
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| tjones | it's not just core - it's +1s too. we need to get better as at doing reviews | 17:22 |
| hartsocks | danflorea: I usually mail the mailing lists twice a week on Mondays and Friday in the AM on our in-flight reviews. | 17:22 |
| tjones | as == at | 17:23 |
| danflorea | Thanks. Agree that we also need the +1's | 17:23 |
| garyk | yeah agreed. | 17:23 |
| hartsocks | If you're in this meeting you are officially part of our elite cadre of ninja reviewers. | 17:23 |
| hartsocks | Go! | 17:23 |
| tjones | hartsocks: im going to mod your report to print the names of who needs to review so we can send that info out to gently remind people to review | 17:24 |
| hartsocks | nice. | 17:24 |
| hartsocks | I post my review - report code here: https://github.com/hartsock/nova-reports | 17:24 |
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| tjones | yes i have synced it | 17:24 |
| hartsocks | for anyone interested in doing reports like these. | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | tjones: more for the list than you ;-) | 17:25 |
| tjones | ja | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | Any other buggy news? | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | #topic blueprints | 17:26 |
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| hartsocks | last week we said: "ogelbukh, tjones, hartsocks, (and anyone else interested) to discuss config validation" | 17:26 |
| hartsocks | so that hasn't happened. I'm guessing we'll follow up next week? | 17:26 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/config-validation-script … link btw | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | Does anyone have a BP they need to discuss this week? | 17:27 |
| ogelbukh | I hope so | 17:27 |
| garyk | there are 2 currently in review | 17:28 |
| garyk | 1. diagnostics | 17:28 |
| garyk | 2. image aging | 17:28 |
| hartsocks | ogelbukh: short week this week, so we'll necessarily have to push things out. sorry. | 17:28 |
| garyk | the former has been waiting for a while | 17:28 |
| hartsocks | garyk: awesome. Links? | 17:28 |
| garyk | sec | 17:29 |
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| garyk | diagnostics - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack/?searchtext=vmware-vm-diagnostics | 17:29 |
| ogelbukh | we actually prepared change to oslo.config for types checks, and started designing more complicated cross-services inspections | 17:29 |
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| garyk | cache management - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack/?searchtext=vmware-image-cache-management | 17:30 |
| ogelbukh | i'll update the etherpad and/or drop a message to ML when we have something we could discuss | 17:30 |
| ogelbukh | probably next monday | 17:30 |
| tjones | ogelbukh: sounds good | 17:30 |
| vuil | vsan support : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-vsan-support | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | ogelbukh: awesome. let's try and talk about that early next week before this meeting comes around again. | 17:31 |
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| ogelbukh | ok | 17:31 |
| tjones | vuil: is vsan ready for i-1? | 17:31 |
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| tjones | garyk: i think diags and cache are ready for i-1 | 17:31 |
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| vuil | The implementation is mostly there, need to factor out into smaller patches. | 17:32 |
| hartsocks | we need to target these to a release to get any core attention. | 17:32 |
| garyk | yup. the cache i have one outsnading item which will be ready by tomorrow (i owe vui two weeks of work :)) | 17:32 |
| vuil | Also need to test against a new vsphere with a bug fix that the patch would need | 17:32 |
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| hartsocks | okay, FYI: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 17:33 |
| vuil | Seems we should get the bp review process started | 17:33 |
| hartsocks | I-1 is december 5th which is really really close. | 17:34 |
| vuil | ah.. missed that. no in that case no, more an icehouse-2 thing then, given we have some internal dependencies too. | 17:34 |
| hartsocks | I-2 is Jan 23rd which … while not as close … is tight because of the holiday breaks in there. | 17:34 |
| tjones | yeah - so for i-1 we have a handful of bugs and 2 BP we would like to get in | 17:35 |
| tjones | in 1 week (with a holiday for some of us) | 17:35 |
| hartsocks | So early next week our priorities should be reviews, reviews, reviews, and soliciting Core reviews once we get things in shape. | 17:36 |
| garyk | our next holiday this side of the world is in april | 17:36 |
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| hartsocks | I live in cyberspace, everyday is a party. | 17:36 |
| garyk | heh | 17:36 |
| hartsocks | :-) | 17:36 |
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| hartsocks | Yeah, so a lot of us will be in and out the next two months and we should plan for that. | 17:37 |
| hartsocks | Next week during this meeting we can focus on the 2 BP we have for i-1 then. | 17:38 |
| hartsocks | Then we'll turn to vSAN. | 17:38 |
| hartsocks | And the config validation work which we're just getting started on. | 17:38 |
| tjones | and hopefully config stuff | 17:38 |
| hartsocks | :-) | 17:39 |
| danflorea | As an overall thing to think about is moving code to Oslo. That may affect more than one BP. | 17:39 |
| tjones | danflorea: good point | 17:39 |
| hartsocks | we do have code that will be common for any vSphere product. There is apparently an established OpenStack way of moving project code around … I've been looking into it anyway. | 17:40 |
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| hartsocks | It will be good to lay out want common elements we can move out of individual VMwareAPI related drivers into a common lib. | 17:41 |
| danflorea | Ok. Oslo stuff will be a project by itself. But as we start working on more BPs for IceHouse, it's something to keep in mind that your code may end up getting shifted to Oslo. | 17:42 |
| hartsocks | modular and portable is the rule of the day I guess… :-) | 17:42 |
| hartsocks | any other BP discussion? | 17:43 |
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| hartsocks | #topic opendiscussion | 17:43 |
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| hartsocks | Okay. I wanted today to be a short meeting for a short week. We have a lot to pick up later. It looks like we need to focus on our reviews… | 17:44 |
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| hartsocks | any stray topics on anything at all we should keep in mind before next week? | 17:45 |
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| tjones | any bugs needing triage today? | 17:46 |
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| hartsocks | We have a few. But, I was leaving the work for another time. | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1255355 | 17:48 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1255355 in nova "VMware: Instances stuck in spawning when insufficient disk space" [Undecided,New] | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1249519 | 17:48 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1249519 in nova "VMware: deleting instance snapshot too soon leaves instance in Image Uploading state" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 17:48 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1243222 | 17:48 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1243222 in nova "VMware: Detach after snapshot leaves volume in inconsistent state" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 17:48 |
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| hartsocks | these are all related to disks it seems… folks working with disk related scenarios a lot lately I gather? | 17:49 |
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| hartsocks | okay. we know what we'll do first thing next meeting I guess. | 17:51 |
| danflorea | I would mark both of those bugs as High from our point of view. | 17:51 |
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| hartsocks | danflorea: presuming we can reproduce them of course… | 17:51 |
| vuil | perhaps the behavior when an exception is thrown is now handled different in the upper layers. I will take a look at the first one. | 17:51 |
| vuil | Easily produceable. | 17:51 |
| danflorea | Yes, of course. Assuming they are valid, etc. Not critical but stuff that should work. | 17:51 |
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| vuil | I will take a look at the first two. | 17:52 |
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| hartsocks | Looks like only one hasn't been reproduced already. | 17:53 |
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| vuil | I think we can mark 1243222 as a dupe of 1252967 | 17:53 |
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| vuil | Unless there is any other aspect to the problem we want to track in 1243222 | 17:54 |
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| hartsocks | danflorea: just a reminder they (nova core) won't let us keep a "Critical" on anything we find that affects only our driver. So we have the VMwareAPI-Team sub project so we can assign our own public priorities. | 17:54 |
| hartsocks | vuil: looking... | 17:54 |
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| hartsocks | hmm… okay… I don't think I understand how these are different so it looks like a dupe to me. | 17:55 |
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| vuil | deleting vm snapshot after nova snapshot has the side effect of restoring the volume to the correct state | 17:56 |
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| hartsocks | let's take that off-line. | 17:56 |
| hartsocks | I really did want to end this meeting early :-) | 17:56 |
| tjones | :-D | 17:56 |
| vuil | you still have the power… for 4 mins | 17:56 |
| hartsocks | #action vuil and garyk to follow up on whether bug/1243222 and bug/1252967 are the same. | 17:57 |
| hartsocks | okay… 1 minute early is still early right? :-) | 17:57 |
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| hartsocks | #action bug triage for next week | 17:57 |
| hartsocks | and I'm ending the meeting on that | 17:58 |
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| hartsocks | We're over in #openstack-vmware if you have anything you aren't 100% sure belongs in #openstack-nova … | 17:59 |
| hartsocks | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 27 17:59:08 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-11-27-17.03.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-11-27-17.03.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-11-27-17.03.log.html | 17:59 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 19:00 |
| acoles | here | 19:00 |
| notmyname | I'd expect less people here this week | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | because of the US holiday tomorrow | 19:01 |
| notmyname | acoles: glad you got the tshirts :-) | 19:01 |
| acoles | oh yeah, arrived yesterday, nice thanks. | 19:02 |
| notmyname | hmm...where is everyone else? | 19:02 |
| torgomatic | o/ | 19:03 |
| notmyname | yay meetings! | 19:03 |
| notmyname | chmouel: portante ? | 19:04 |
| portante | o/ | 19:04 |
| portante | sorry | 19:04 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 27 19:04:46 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:04 |
| notmyname | may just be a few of us, but at least it will be logged | 19:04 |
| notmyname | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:05 |
| notmyname | chmouel has been working on the swift-bench separation | 19:05 |
| portante | nice | 19:05 |
| notmyname | I haven't checked on it in about a day. did the last bits land yet/ | 19:05 |
| torgomatic | does that mean we can remove it from swift now? | 19:05 |
| * portante slams beer mug on table, roars for another pint | 19:05 | |
| notmyname | torgomatic: yup, that's the plan | 19:05 |
| notmyname | and that's the arbitrary line I'm drawing to have the swift 1.11.0 release | 19:06 |
| notmyname | seems like a nice separation point | 19:06 |
| portante | any other fixes you want in? | 19:06 |
| notmyname | we already got the db locks and the memcache fix | 19:07 |
| notmyname | those were key | 19:07 |
| portante | agreed | 19:07 |
| notmyname | now that we've got early quorum in, the not-as-early quorum seems important | 19:07 |
| portante | ;) | 19:08 |
| notmyname | I think that merged last night | 19:08 |
| notmyname | no-nagle is nice to be in | 19:08 |
| portante | late last night. :) | 19:08 |
| portante | pun intended | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | so really, we have a ton of new stuff in 1.11 (including all that above plus ssync) | 19:08 |
| notmyname | and I'd also really like to see the swift-bench stuff finished up to psychologically unblock some python-swiftclient patches | 19:09 |
| notmyname | portante: torgomatic: acoles: do you have other patches you'd like to see in 1.11? | 19:09 |
| notmyname | portante: anything more about diskfiles? | 19:10 |
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| torgomatic | the capabilities one would be nice | 19:10 |
| * portante I'd like to fix unit tests, and get the is not None thing in | 19:10 | |
| notmyname | oh yeah. it would be nice | 19:10 |
| notmyname | 10 patch sets, no +2s | 19:10 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54857/ | 19:10 |
| portante | also: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58188 | 19:11 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: have you looked at the last patch set since your -1? | 19:11 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: no, I've been heads-down in pulling DLO out into middleware | 19:11 |
| notmyname | portante: hmm...I looked at that. doesn't look like I added a review | 19:11 |
| portante | also: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56692/ | 19:12 |
| torgomatic | also, it'd be nice if we got proper stack traces from within threadpool thingies; seems like there should be a way to do that | 19:12 |
| notmyname | oh yeah. I +2'd the compeletly broken version ;-) | 19:12 |
| torgomatic | something with sys.exc_info() or something, but I don't know how to make that work | 19:12 |
| portante | torgomatic: agreed | 19:12 |
| acoles | notmyname: i got some more to do on sysmeta, to incorporate what portante started on forcing middleware to start of pipeline, so probably a while longer for that | 19:12 |
| notmyname | acoles: ok, thanks | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | acoles: and you're working with otherjon on that re the account ACls? | 19:13 |
| torgomatic | acoles: let me know if you need any help on that; I'm going to need to do some middleware-forcing myself soon | 19:13 |
| notmyname | acoles: I'm looking forward to having that | 19:13 |
| portante | acoles, torgomatic: also available to help | 19:13 |
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| acoles | notmyname: yes been in touch with otherjon | 19:13 |
| notmyname | great | 19:13 |
| acoles | torgomatic: portante: thanks, will shout if I need | 19:14 |
| portante | torgomatic: I deferred to acoles on that work, did not want to hold him up, was only working on it because I did not want suggest an idea that acoles would have to go research | 19:14 |
| notmyname | portante: I looked at the logging patch briefly earlier this morning. looks like it's just adding the fields to the end of the existing format, right? if so, I'll review in-depth | 19:14 |
| portante | notmyname: yes | 19:14 |
| notmyname | great | 19:14 |
| portante | I am going to address some comments on the coverage improvements for proxy_logging as well | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: was your comment about tracebacks a volunteer to write a patch? :-) | 19:16 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: if I knew where to start, I'd be on it :) | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: ok :-) | 19:16 |
| portante | logging.debug(exc_info=True) is used by python-keystoneslient/middleware/auth_token.py in a few places | 19:17 |
| portante | that is what generates all the Tracebacks in the devstack logs that are not attached to an exception | 19:17 |
| portante | I'd like to see them stop that, but it is what it is | 19:17 |
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| torgomatic | yeah, I don't want two related-but-separate tracebacks though; I want one traceback that goes *through* the threadpool plumbing clear down to the error site | 19:18 |
| portante | yes, but how they do it might give us some ideas on an approach | 19:18 |
| torgomatic | fair enough; I'll take a look | 19:18 |
| torgomatic | thank you | 19:18 |
| portante | notmyname: I'd really like to see zaitcev's patch land | 19:19 |
| notmyname | heh whoops | 19:19 |
| notmyname | wrong channel | 19:19 |
| portante | it is not a requirement, but right now we have an incomplete "backend" story for implementation | 19:19 |
| portante | s | 19:19 |
| notmyname | I'll add these three patches (capabilities, timestamps in logging, and cleanup protection) to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews for 1.11 | 19:20 |
| notmyname | and I'll make sure there are LP thingies for those that like them | 19:20 |
| notmyname | bigger-picture, you all saw my email about general icehouse stuff. the main goal is getting storage policies (ie multi-ring clusters) working. this is what torgomatic peluse and others are working on (some on master and some in the feature/ec branch) | 19:20 |
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| torgomatic | which is why I'm pulling SLOs and DLOs out into middleware, FWIW | 19:20 |
| torgomatic | in case anyone is wondering | 19:20 |
| * portante whole heartedly supports that ... | 19:21 | |
| acoles | torgomatic: figured so | 19:21 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: gut feeling on needing that for versioned writes too? | 19:21 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: a very strong maybe ;) | 19:21 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:21 |
| torgomatic | I don't know enough about how the versioned writes handle things to decide | 19:21 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: did you add anything to launchpad about it, or do I need to? | 19:21 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: the code is right there! | 19:22 |
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| torgomatic | notmyname: I have not touched Launchpad in a while | 19:22 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: ok, I'll check if it's covered in what I added for the multi-ring stuff or if soemthing new needs to be added | 19:22 |
| notmyname | portante: I too would like to see movement on zaitcev's patch | 19:22 |
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| portante | how do we make that happen? | 19:23 |
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| portante | I can beg | 19:24 |
| notmyname | I think we'll need a polite nagbot in -swift starting next week | 19:24 |
| notmyname | ya, I can start asking for that, and I'll add it to the review list page in the topic | 19:24 |
| portante | do you want to make it a gate for 1.11? | 19:25 |
| * portante hopes | 19:25 | |
| * portante even begs | 19:25 | |
| notmyname | the dbbroker stuff? I think it would be unlikely | 19:25 |
| * portante 's hopes are dashed | 19:25 | |
| notmyname | well, I don't know that it's realistic for getting something late next week | 19:25 |
| * portante is still dashed against the rocks | 19:26 | |
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| notmyname | portante: you should drink that next pint you asked for earlier. it will make you feel better :-) | 19:26 |
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| notmyname | anything else to cover about a 1.11 release or current work? | 19:27 |
| notmyname | 1.11 first | 19:27 |
| * portante slams that pint, roars weekly and slovenly for another | 19:27 | |
| notmyname | anything else about other things? | 19:27 |
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| torgomatic | if anyone wants to review the DLO functests patch, that'd help me out | 19:28 |
| * portante looks | 19:28 | |
| notmyname | acoles: is your federation work still ongoning? | 19:28 |
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| acoles | notmyname: yes, but i'm focussed on getting th sysmeta stuff done, and i think the DLO SLO moving to middleare will help | 19:28 |
| acoles | torgomatic: will review | 19:29 |
| * portante has a question to gather feedback on | 19:29 | |
| notmyname | great (/me is happy about that prioritization) | 19:29 |
| notmyname | portante: go for it | 19:29 |
| portante | regarding middleware environments for logging | 19:29 |
| portante | we tried, erroneously, to get the python-keystoneclient auth_token middleware to use the proxy server logger | 19:29 |
| notmyname | the log_name/log_facility? | 19:29 |
| portante | log_name vs. log_route, I believe | 19:30 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:30 |
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| portante | which made me wonder if we should consider making middleware use the wsgi server's logger in general | 19:30 |
| portante | right now every piece of middleware can potentially have its own logger | 19:31 |
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| portante | but for the admin, that is really all coming from the proxy-server | 19:31 |
| portante | each middleware can potentially report entirely different strings in the log files | 19:31 |
| notmyname | I can see that it makes sense to default them all to the same place | 19:31 |
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| torgomatic | yeah, it doesn't really seem necessary to have per-middleware logging configs IMO | 19:32 |
| notmyname | as long as you /could/ have it, I'd support changing it to default to use the same thing | 19:32 |
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| portante | okay, I'll look into that | 19:32 |
| notmyname | eg perhaps you want your auth or some debug middleware logging someplace else | 19:32 |
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| portante | agreed, we can't prevent that | 19:33 |
| notmyname | ok, then I support your idea | 19:33 |
| portante | we want to just make it so that middleware flows by default with the proxy-server | 19:33 |
| notmyname | (it's easy to agree to ideas with no code written yet) | 19:33 |
| portante | or object-server | 19:33 |
| portante | ;) | 19:33 |
| notmyname | ya | 19:33 |
| notmyname | anything else? | 19:34 |
| portante | one last thing | 19:34 |
| portante | sorry | 19:34 |
| portante | I have been playing with changes to the proxy server to make the calls to the backends more like an RPC call | 19:34 |
| notmyname | rather than http? | 19:34 |
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| portante | not quiet | 19:35 |
| portante | the code would be written to just call a method | 19:35 |
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| portante | the given implementation of that method might do HTTP, might use local pipe, or something else | 19:35 |
| portante | but right now the proxy server code does not have clean line defined for that | 19:36 |
| notmyname | if it weren't 5 months away, I'd say that would make a fantastic summit talk | 19:36 |
| notmyname | maybe even being 5 months away, it should be ;-) | 19:36 |
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| portante | with torgomatic pulling out the slo stuff, it seems doable now | 19:36 |
| portante | agreed | 19:36 |
| portante | hopefully I'll be able to submit a talk for the diskfile stuff and then for the proxy stuff | 19:37 |
| acoles | portante: with you re clean line | 19:37 |
| portante | if folks have already started that kind of work, I'd be interested | 19:37 |
| notmyname | if I hear anything, I'll let you know | 19:37 |
| portante | thanks | 19:38 |
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| portante | that is all I have from here | 19:38 |
| notmyname | portante: got a one last last thing? | 19:38 |
| acoles | portante: kind of related, eric deliot put a patch on gerrit to pull a bunch of the http code out of base.py into a library | 19:38 |
| portante | oh? | 19:38 |
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| portante | do you have the id? | 19:38 |
| acoles | ...following austin, as an alternative to his refcatoring within base.py | 19:38 |
| acoles | portante: give me a minute, i'm on a mobile, will have to search | 19:39 |
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| portante | no rush, thanks | 19:40 |
| portante | acoles | 19:40 |
| notmyname | acoles: want to drop in in -swift when you find it? | 19:40 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: anything else from you? | 19:40 |
| acoles | portante: ok | 19:40 |
| torgomatic | nope, I'm good | 19:40 |
| notmyname | great. portante: torgomatic: have a good Thanksgiving. acoles: happy thursday | 19:40 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 27 19:41:14 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:41 |
| portante | and the same to you | 19:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-11-27-19.04.html | 19:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-11-27-19.04.txt | 19:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-11-27-19.04.log.html | 19:41 |
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| stevebaker | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 27 20:00:02 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| bgorski_ | o/ | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| jasond` | o/ | 20:00 |
| shardy | o/ | 20:00 |
| skraynev | o/ | 20:00 |
| tspatzier | hi | 20:00 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 20:00 |
| zaneb | servus | 20:00 |
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| vijendar | hi | 20:00 |
| sdake | o/ | 20:00 |
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| stevebaker | (no actions from last week) | 20:00 |
| mspreitz | o/ | 20:00 |
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| stevebaker | kebray: are you about? | 20:01 |
| lakshmi | o/ | 20:01 |
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| stevebaker | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 20:01 |
| tims1 | o/ | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to the agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:01 | |
| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | plonk anything here and I'll add it | 20:02 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Do we want to discuss v2 API, or keep it on the ML thread? | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | shardy: ummmm, how about at the end of open discussion if there is time ;) | 20:02 |
| shardy | stevebaker: kk ;) | 20:02 |
| mspreitz | generic agents and software config | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | mspreitz: that is already there | 20:03 |
| mspreitz | great | 20:03 |
| stevebaker | #topic icehouse-1 release | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "icehouse-1 release (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:03 | |
| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 20:03 |
| radix | here | 20:03 |
| stevebaker | The 3rd is i-1 feature freeze! | 20:04 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/icehouse-1 | 20:04 |
| shardy | come round quickly! | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | I'll need to start getting brutal | 20:04 |
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| stevebaker | there are 10 high triaged bugs, 4 with no asignee | 20:05 |
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| stevebaker | some of them may not be high anyway | 20:06 |
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| zaneb | at least one of those is properly a blueprint | 20:06 |
| zaneb | they've all been around forever I think... | 20:06 |
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| stevebaker | tims1: so it looks like this should be closed and 3 new blueprints created? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/namespace-stack-metadata | 20:06 |
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| shardy | And one looks like a nova bug: | 20:07 |
| tims1 | stevebaker: yeah | 20:07 |
| shardy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1249494 | 20:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1249494 in heat "Using heat with yaml template causes SQL syntax error in nova " [High,Triaged] | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | cool, sql injection in nova! | 20:07 |
| radix | -_- | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | I can't tell if this one is complete https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/oslo-db-support | 20:08 |
| zaneb | ouch, that should be marked security-sensitive | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | I'll mark this implemented, for better or worse https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/native-resource-group | 20:09 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: will this make i-1? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/send-notification | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | yeah | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | not much left | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | ok | 20:10 |
| shardy | zaneb: possibly, or the reporter hasn't sync'd their nova db.. | 20:10 |
| zaneb | shardy: ah, that's more likely | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | feeling horrid - I am going to lie down | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | later | 20:11 |
| sdake_ | ,enjoy asalkeld | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: do you want to ask for a decorator based approach for this? Or should we continue as is for now? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/resource-support-status | 20:11 |
| zaneb | I don't see the decorator thing as incompatible | 20:12 |
| zaneb | it builds on the SupportStatus class | 20:12 |
| zaneb | i.e. the decorator is what creates the SupportStatus | 20:12 |
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| stevebaker | ok | 20:12 |
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| zaneb | apparently is wasn't clear from my review that that's what I was driving at | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | jasond`, zaneb, shardy, where are the multi-engine reviews at? | 20:13 |
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| zaneb | pass | 20:14 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Not sure, I need to take a proper look again | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | I'm scared now to touch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56476/ ;) | 20:14 |
| sdake_ | stevebaker scared in terms of breaking the code? | 20:15 |
| zaneb | oh yeah, I think it was just about there | 20:15 |
| shardy | sdake_: Yes, last time we merged and had to revert | 20:15 |
| jasond` | stevebaker: i think it's looking good, but i've thought that several times before :/ | 20:15 |
| sdake_ | must have been on the road | 20:15 |
| sdake_ | may make more sense to bump to i2 then? | 20:16 |
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| sdake_ | give more time for testing/review? | 20:16 |
| jasond` | the database patch is ready IMO | 20:16 |
| stevebaker | sdake_: If it is ready, its ready | 20:16 |
| jasond` | the second patch has a small issue with the test i'm working on today | 20:16 |
| jasond` | and the third patch is pretty trivial | 20:17 |
| zaneb | pro tip: after the 3rd or 4th patchset in a day I start leaving it for a day or two before I bother to review a new one ;) | 20:17 |
| sdake_ | i reviewed several in that series and the ylooked good | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | This needs another review, it might just make it in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/heat-build-info | 20:17 |
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| jasond` | zaneb: i'll try to do fewer updates | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | vijendar: do you think there will be some action on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/dbaas-trove-resource in time for i-1? | 20:18 |
| vijendar | stevebaker: currently I am working on it | 20:18 |
| andersonvom | stevebaker: we're just waiting for a review on that one and on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57782/ | 20:18 |
| vijendar | will send updated patch in a day or two | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | anyway, blueprints look in pretty good shape, the number of targeted bugs is quite high - there is an easy way of fixing that though | 20:19 |
| andersonvom | stevebaker: it seems both would be able to make it in | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | if you've got some spare time for bugs, then go for it | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | #topic Software config update | 20:19 |
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| stevebaker | I'll have a POC to post in the next few hours, it would be great if you could provide feedback on the general approach | 20:20 |
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| mspreitz | great | 20:20 |
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| stevebaker | Currently it just gets the metadata onto the server via os-collect-config, but nothing is consuming that data, and the format of that data will change many times as we figure out the right way | 20:21 |
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| stevebaker | but right now I'm more interested in the approach taken to implementing the SoftwareConfig/SoftwareDeployment resources | 20:21 |
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| lakshmi | what is included in this metadata | 20:21 |
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| stevebaker | probably not much more to say on that until the reviews are up | 20:21 |
| zaneb | jasond`: are you running unit tests/pep8 locally before uploading? You should almost never be getting legitimate failures in the gate. | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | lakshmi: currently it is a mostly verbatim dump of the SoftwareDeployment/SoftwareConfig data structures | 20:22 |
| shardy | zaneb: Getting consistent results from the gate is always a bug ;) | 20:22 |
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| stevebaker | lakshmi: but it can be transformed into anything | 20:22 |
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| lakshmi | stevebaker that is a great start for the metadata | 20:23 |
| mspreitz | stevebaker: do we think there should be generic agents, or should the software config agent cover it all? | 20:23 |
| zaneb | shardy: I said *legitimate* failures ;) Neutron failures are sadly unavoidable | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | mspreitz: I think there will be an agent per CM tool, which transforms the metadata to a CM tool invocation, and collects outputs to signal back to heat | 20:23 |
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| stevebaker | mspreitz: how to get the agent onto the server is an open question - probably golden images or cloud-init cloud-config | 20:24 |
| mspreitz | I was hoping we would write one generic software config agent, it gets scpeicalized to a CM tool by a hook | 20:24 |
| shardy | stevebaker: per CM tool? Can't we just bootstrap the CM specific tool with os-apply-config or something? | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | mspreitz: In that case, that is what we are doing. The agent is called os-collect-config, and there is a custom *hook* per CM tool. | 20:25 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Or just configure cloud-init to install e.g puppet and run the tool, pointed at the metadata | 20:25 |
| mspreitz | one hook point and custom thing hooked in per CM tool? | 20:25 |
| jasond` | zaneb: i guess i have been relying on the gate a little too much (something in tox is always breaking). will try to run the full suite before uploading | 20:25 |
| tspatzier | I think we will have to figure out the details when looking at least two CM tools once we see the initial POC from stevebaker | 20:25 |
| andrew_plunk | I don't see the point of installing all cm tools on each image, it will just take longer to bootstrap server. I would prefer one per cm tool | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | shardy: the hook will probably be an os-refresh-config script generated with an os-apply-config template | 20:26 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Ok cool, so not really an agent per tool then, just a config per tool | 20:27 |
| mspreitz | andrew_plunk: I think that's what we are talking about | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | andrew_plunk: you will only install the CM tool (and hook) that you want to use | 20:27 |
| andrew_plunk | haha well maybe I should have just said +1 then | 20:27 |
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| stevebaker | any other questions? | 20:27 |
| mspreitz | yes... | 20:27 |
| lakshmi | stevebaker is there any particular protocol for the CM agent to return the results to Heat? | 20:28 |
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| mspreitz | Should we be telling trove et al that they should not be going about creating agents to do their config? | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | lakshmi: first implementation will just use cfn-signal/WaitCondition style signalling | 20:28 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: trove's agent does a lot more than config though | 20:29 |
| lakshmi | stevebaker so the cm tool agent will signal Heat from the vm? | 20:29 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: more than can be done with os-collect-config? | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | mspreitz: trove's agent talks to rabbitmq, ours does http polling. They are currently quite different but we're talking about possible collaboration | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | lakshmi: the cm tool, or the hook. that is still unknown | 20:30 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: I've been looking at a native approach to waitcondition handles using trust tokens | 20:30 |
| shardy | which maybe we can use later | 20:30 |
| mspreitz | savanna is also talking about an agent | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | shardy: is this different to using a trust to create the user? | 20:30 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker, so the signal would update the state of the SoftwareDeployment resource and provide outputs so afterwards a get_attr on the resource would work etc? | 20:31 |
| shardy | stevebaker: yes, we can use trusts to create the ec2-keypair (which solves the admin to create stack issue) | 20:31 |
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| mspreitz | Murano is also talking about an agent | 20:31 |
| shardy | but we can also create a trust scoped token and use that directly to authenticate the response for a waitcondition | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | mspreitz: we are already talking to them all. can we move on from this topic? | 20:32 |
| mspreitz | sure | 20:32 |
| shardy | stevebaker: It's the curl string containing token approach I mentioned in HK | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | shardy: would that token expire? | 20:32 |
| shardy | stevebaker: yes, but not for 24 hours, and the max wait condition time is 12 | 20:32 |
| andrew_plunk | The ansible approach of temporarily installing and turning on zeromq on an instance for config is interesting. They call it fireball mode. | 20:33 |
| shardy | stevebaker: I'm thinking also create a OS::Keystone::Token resource, which creates a new token every stack update | 20:33 |
| zaneb | shardy: doesn't that depend on the cloud? | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | shardy: software config polling would be long-lived. I would worry about a transient outage resulting in dead-duck servers with expired tokens | 20:33 |
| shardy | then the agent collecting the config can refresh the token after stack update | 20:33 |
| shardy | zaneb: Yep, but I'm assuming the token expiry will be much greater than typical wait-condition use-cases | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | shardy: but they can't fetch a new token if they need a non-expired token to fetch it with | 20:34 |
| shardy | stevebaker: They can if you refresh the token much more often than it expires | 20:34 |
| shardy | stevebaker: The alternative is to stick with trust-derived ec2-keypairs for everything | 20:35 |
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| shardy | which don't expire, and we can continue to use for the AWS compatible resources | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | shardy: but if there is an outage for the entire duration, you could still end up with servers with expired tokens after the outage is over | 20:35 |
| shardy | but some folks don't want ec2 keypairs, and the alternative is not ready in keystone yet | 20:35 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Agreed, I'm only advocating this for wait conditions, not for config collection, we'll need a better solution for that | 20:36 |
| stevebaker | ok | 20:36 |
| stevebaker | #topic Template catalog use cases | 20:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Template catalog use cases (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:36 | |
| stevebaker | I was hoping kebray would be here, or someone else from Rackspace looking at the template catalog | 20:37 |
| tims1 | o/ | 20:37 |
| zaneb | we seem to be making good progress on the ML anyway | 20:37 |
| tims1 | although kebray and randallburt have been running the discussion more recently | 20:38 |
| tims1 | if the topic is to put use cases together I would expect to be more prepared for that next week | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | So it would be great if there could be some formal writeup of all the use cases for a template catalog | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | snap | 20:39 |
| tims1 | agreed | 20:39 |
| tims1 | I have recently been practicing writing use cases ;) | 20:39 |
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| stevebaker | It could probably be a separate project, hosted in stackforge, maybe even with its own +2 team. But the design should really happen in collaboration with the heat community so that it has the greatest chance of being accepted into the OpenStack Orchestration program | 20:40 |
| shardy | tims1: What do you mean "running the discussion"? I've not seen much from them on the ML thread? | 20:41 |
| tims1 | well I haven't been able to sync with them on this topic since Hong Kong | 20:41 |
| tims1 | I have use cases that we started before the summit, they may be outdated | 20:42 |
| tims1 | we have been discussing a possible stack forge project | 20:42 |
| shardy | tims1: Ok, cool | 20:42 |
| tims1 | and I agree on the design collaboration | 20:42 |
| tims1 | They are both out the rest of this week | 20:42 |
| tims1 | which is why the silence | 20:43 |
| tims1 | I would also agree on a separate +2 team | 20:43 |
| stevebaker | ok, I won't create a meeting action for randall to write all the use cases then ;) | 20:43 |
| shardy | tims1: np, I know it's holiday time, it's good that we've got some communication going on the ML now :) | 20:43 |
| tims1 | yes thanks shardy | 20:43 |
| tims1 | haha | 20:43 |
| tims1 | by all means assign it to randall | 20:43 |
| andrew_plunk | +1 | 20:44 |
| andersonvom | +1 | 20:44 |
| stevebaker | #action Randall to publish use cases for heat template catalog | 20:44 |
| stevebaker | booom | 20:44 |
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| shardy | lol | 20:44 |
| tims1 | haha | 20:44 |
| andrew_plunk | ahaha | 20:44 |
| andersonvom | ;) | 20:44 |
| tims1 | he just sensed a disturbance in the force | 20:44 |
| stevebaker | his ears are burning | 20:44 |
| stevebaker | #topic Open discussion | 20:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:45 | |
| stevebaker | shardy: so when you say v2 API, do you mean the changes required to make a management API possible? | 20:45 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Partly, and to align with what other projects are doing wrt project/tenant id | 20:45 |
| andersonvom | I was under the impression that would mosty remote the tenant ID from the URL, right? | 20:46 |
| andersonvom | s/remote/remove/ | 20:46 |
| shardy | Yup, so remove the tenant ID from the URL, and from all the request bodies, use the project_id in the context instead | 20:46 |
| shardy | that is the main change, but I spotted a few other cleanups we could consider | 20:46 |
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| shardy | Also, if we do it, we have to decide if we go pecan/wsme, or reuse what we have | 20:47 |
| stevebaker | shardy: regarding https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/management-api can you think of a way of progressing with a management api which doesn't yet require service-scoped token or request-scoping-policy? An approach which can be used with what we have now, and then move to the new keystone features as soon as they are available? | 20:48 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Nothing which isn't a horrible hack, no | 20:48 |
| shardy | stevebaker: You could add the management API before the tenant_id in the path I suppose, but we nacked that for build_info | 20:49 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: the service scoped token stuff does seem to be making some progress, but I'm not sure when it will be ready | 20:50 |
| zaneb | shardy: see, I think that could make sense for the management api | 20:50 |
| stevebaker | shardy: same, this is not like build_info | 20:50 |
| zaneb | shardy: it's allowed to have its own endpoint in the catalog, for starters | 20:50 |
| shardy | Ok, then we still need an unscoped request, that could be an unscoped token, but I don't think you can have a role associated with that | 20:51 |
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| zaneb | would we even put management api stuff in python-heatclient? or would we create python-heat-manageclient? | 20:51 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: I'm pretty sure novaclient has admin commands | 20:52 |
| zaneb | ok | 20:52 |
| shardy | We *could* just say anyone with a special heat_service_admin role gets super super powers to access the management-api features, but that seems wrong, if we're servicing scoped requests | 20:52 |
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| andersonvom | zaneb: it would make sense to add it there, since once we move to the new keystone, it would be there too, right? | 20:52 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: at least it would remain consistent | 20:53 |
| stevebaker | shardy: so it sounds like there might be an interim solution which isn't too hacky? It would be nice to unblock rackspace | 20:53 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: Yeah, we could just use rbac and a new endpoint, and short-circuit the tenant-scoping for those requests | 20:54 |
| shardy | Makes me slightly uneasy, but I guess it would work | 20:54 |
| tims1 | +1 for rbac and new endpoint in the interim | 20:55 |
| zaneb | shardy: +1 | 20:55 |
| stevebaker | shardy: OK, thanks. Could you write that up to the ML? | 20:55 |
| zaneb | what could go wrong? ;) | 20:55 |
| andersonvom | shardy: agreed | 20:55 |
| andersonvom | zaneb: :P | 20:56 |
| shardy | Ok, will do, and if the keystone devs don't shoot the idea to pieces, I'll start on a patch | 20:56 |
| stevebaker | hey, they don't have -2 on our project ;) | 20:56 |
| morganfainberg | shoot something to death? I'm here to help! --keystone dev >.> | 20:56 |
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| shardy | morganfainberg: haha ;) | 20:57 |
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| morganfainberg | stevebaker, you could give me -2 on your project just for this one case you know ;) | 20:57 |
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| stevebaker | 3 minutes, anything else? | 20:57 |
| stevebaker | #endmeeting | 20:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 27 20:58:43 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-11-27-20.00.html | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-11-27-20.00.txt | 20:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-11-27-20.00.log.html | 20:58 |
| stevebaker | thanks all | 20:58 |
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| andrew_plunk | thanks | 20:59 |
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| andersonvom | o/ | 20:59 |
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