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devananda#startmeeting ironic19:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep 30 19:01:06 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'19:01
devanandahi all!19:01
lucasagomeso/19:01
romchegGood evening!19:01
yuriyzhi19:01
rloohi19:01
linggaoHi19:01
devanandaI believe NobodyCam is on the road right now, but he might pop in to join us19:01
devanandaI've done a brief update to the agenda, added some notes -- https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting19:02
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devanandaand I'll try to be brief, so we have time for any discussions that folks want to have :)19:02
devananda#topic CFP for summit19:02
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devananda#link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/topic/719:03
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devanandaso far we have 6 proposed talks19:03
dkehn_hi19:03
devanandasome of them are geared towards long-term goals19:03
devanandawhich is great19:03
devanandaand I want to encourage more folks to submit session ideas19:04
devanandabut also, we need to focus on getting to the first functional release in the Icehouse cycle19:04
devananda*early in the ...19:04
devanandaso I've set aside one session for us to talk about that: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/13919:04
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devanandaany questions on hong kong?19:04
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devanandaok, moving on19:06
devananda#topic testing19:06
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romchegI have a few updates here19:06
devanandagreat19:06
devanandai have only one -- that I've been testing lucasagomes' python-ironicclient in conunction with NobodyCam's undercloud image19:07
devanandaand they work well together :)19:07
romchegI have written API tempest tests that cover simple API usage: CRUD operations on the resources19:07
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romchegSeveral gates still fail but I expect to fix that tommorow19:07
devanandaawesome! have a link handy?19:07
lucasagomes:) I've been testing the ironicclient with romcheg's devstack and it working fine as well!19:07
romchegI think it's the time to create a non-voting job for Infra?19:07
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romchegdevananda: I do have a link but the latest changes are not there19:08
devanandasounds good to me. mordred ? ^19:08
romchegGimme a sec19:08
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romcheg#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48109/19:08
romchegThere are just a few CREATE tests19:08
mordredwhat did I do?19:09
romchegI just test everything locally — faster19:09
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mordredyes! I believe non-voting jobs in Infra are a great idea!19:09
devananda:)19:09
romchegthen you can create an # action for me19:10
devananda#action romcheg to propose a non-gating job to -infra19:10
devananda#action romcheg to propose a non-voting job to -infra19:11
romchegTwo actions is always better  than one :)19:11
devanandaromcheg: that's really good news :) thanks for working on all the testing side of things!19:11
lucasagomeshehe19:11
devanandaanything else on testing before we move on?19:12
romchegAlso devstack now exposes a different endpoint19:12
romchegMight be essential for lucasagomes who is testing the client19:12
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devanandaromcheg: ironic-api service is registered as "baremetal" service type, yes?19:13
lucasagomesromcheg, I'll take a look... so you sorted out the thing about having to explicit put /v1 on the path?19:13
romchegExactly19:13
romcheglucasagomes: Yes, I got another +10 to diplomacy :)19:13
lucasagomes:)19:13
devananda:)19:13
lucasagomessweet19:13
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devananda#topic python-ironicclient19:14
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devanandaso we've already touiched on this a few times :)19:14
devanandabasically, lucasagomes rocks,a nd we have a python client in progress19:14
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romcheglucasagomes: I think I can add the client to devstack, right?19:14
lucasagomesyes!19:15
romchegcool19:15
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devanandai would think so. it's working fine for me locally!19:15
romchegplease, action me more :)19:15
devanandaironic node-list ... ironic node-create ... etc ..19:15
devananda#action romcheg to add python-ironicclient to devstack install scripts19:15
lucasagomesthere's a patch upstream implementing update on resources19:15
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lucasagomesso the basic commands are almost all there19:15
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lucasagomesthere =  upstream19:15
devanandalucasagomes: yep. i saw but haven't reviewed yet. will try to find time today, bu tmight not get to it19:16
lucasagomesnp :)19:16
devanandawe're approaching the state of "must land change in A before we can test change in B"19:16
devanandaie, dependencies between python-ironicclient and devstack/tempest's ability to test ironic19:17
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devanandaalso, vendor_passthru landed in trunk19:18
lucasagomesyea, getting things working soon will give us a lot of time to polish Ironic and release a very good v1 on icehouse19:18
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devanandaIMHO, we should expose that in the API client, but not necessarily in teh CLI itself.19:18
lucasagomes+119:19
lucasagomesif vendors want to have a client then can create their own using the lib19:19
lucasagomesand then they can expose their custom functions19:19
devanandalucasagomes: yep. the sooner we get all the bits together and into -infra, the more time we have to be sure it all works before icehouse19:19
devanandalucasagomes: exactly19:19
yuriyzbut my new small test on nodes API side failed, Pecan broken again19:19
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yuriyzhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/pecan/+bug/123325819:20
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1233258 in pecan "'_default' handler does not work" [Undecided,New]19:20
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devanandadhellmann: another pecan issue with latest release ^^19:21
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dhellmanndid that used to work?19:21
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yuriyzYes, existing code broken19:22
lucasagomesdhellmann, yes, that was how we were implementing our vendor_passthru resource19:22
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dhellmannwhat is that?19:22
dhellmannok, I think I'm caught up with the code19:22
dhellmannI probably would have had the vendor provide a controller implementation and plug it into the main controller tree explicitly, but if this was working we should make it work again19:23
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lucasagomesit's a resource that allows vendors to extend our API in order to expose some custom functionality19:24
devanandadhellmann: this is implemented so that teh vendor doesn' tneed to patch the API, and so the API doesn't need to load plugins19:24
devanandadhellmann: vendor can provide a plugin to the conductor node, and our existing API just forwards special requests to their driver plugin19:24
dhellmannwhy is having the api not load plugins a design goal?19:24
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devanandadhellmann: separate functionality for what is core / common to all drivers vs. what is an extension to the vendor's driver19:25
lucasagomes#link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/dev/architecture.html#Drivers19:26
dhellmannthis may be something to discuss in person with less of a lag, but it feels like the wrong approach off the top of my head19:26
devanandadhellmann: "not load plugins" may be too broad of a statement. the API does load plugins. but for a vendor to extend Ironic's hardware support, they don't need to write two plugins. just one.19:26
dhellmannI'll have Ryan  look at the bug19:26
devanandadhellmann: sure. i'm happy to talk about the arch at ODS :)19:26
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devanandadhellmann: thanks! I tried to reach him but not on IRC19:27
dhellmannyeah, we're all heads-down trying to get some internal stuff done19:27
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devanandayuriyz: do you think you can work around this for now?19:28
yuriyzonly if pass 'method' in body, not in url19:29
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devanandahrm, k. let's talk about that after the meeting / on the ML19:29
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devanandaany other API questions/issues?19:29
devanandaif not, we're up to FFT and open discussion19:30
devananda#topic open discussion19:30
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devanandadon't all talk at once :p19:32
dkehncue crickets19:32
devanandadkehn: hi!19:32
dkehndevananda, hi19:32
devanandadkehn: how about the neutron integration in nova-baremetal?19:32
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dkehnon hold today, it appears that they have opened up the neutron and I've got del to complete19:33
devanandadkehn: did that affect the pxe sub-driver at all, or just the nova/virt/baremetal/driver.py ?19:33
dkehnhaven't really started on the refactoring stuff19:33
dkehndid what19:34
dkehnmaybe I should ask19:34
devanandaah, somehow i thought a bunch of that was proposed last week19:34
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dkehnhmm, I only saw the lifeless stuff which was more of a question19:34
dkehnthe +5 thing19:34
devanandak19:35
dkehnalso got new hardware which I'm trying to get it back there were I was when I left the old hardware19:35
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devanandawell, if the nova-baremetal->neutron integration affects pxe.py, that should be fairly easy to port to ironic/drivers/modules/pxe.py19:35
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dkehnIts pretty much there, but spent the morning screwing around with a new neutron env on the new hardware, nothing ever goes as planned19:36
dhellmanndevananda: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/15419:36
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devanandaand if the neutron integration affects baremetal/driver.py, I'd like to know as i'll probably be writing the nova-ironic driver in the next month or so19:36
dkehndevananda, ok19:36
devanandalucasagomes: that session also interesting for you ^19:36
lucasagomesdhellmann, sweet!19:36
lucasagomesyup19:37
devanandadhellmann: thanks for pointing it out :)19:37
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dkehndevananda, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45589/ is probably where its going19:38
lucasagomesidk much about the neutron integration, but might have to change something on pxe no? so it can inform which macaddress are allowed to get a dhcp request?19:38
devanandalucasagomes: possibly19:39
devanandait's sort of a question of, does ironic tell neutron stuff? or does nova tell neutron that stuff?19:39
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devanandamy inclination is it'll have to be inside the ironic pxe driver19:40
lucasagomesI see, idk as ironic is going to build the tftp directory + create the configurations seems it's going to be ironic to inform neutron19:41
devanandaparticularly so that we can handle fail-over of the ironic-conductor nodes19:41
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devanandalucasagomes: on the other hand -- https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/baremetal/driver.py#L50119:42
devanandanova-baremetal is doing it, not the nova-baremetal-pxe sub driver19:42
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lucasagomesdevananda, yea... but looking at lifeless patch here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45589/1/nova/virt/baremetal/pxe.py19:43
devananda*is doing it today19:43
lucasagomesseems it's being refactored19:43
devanandayep19:43
devanandabut the API for that info is still going through nova/driver.py19:43
devananda** nova/virt/driver.py19:43
lucasagomesyea, there's a call self.driver.dhcp_options...19:44
lucasagomeshmm19:44
devanandabut I think we've wandered into the weeds now :)19:44
lucasagomeshehe yea19:45
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lifelessit's cleanup19:46
lucasagomesdevananda, any luck finding that link about the discovery ramdisk?19:46
lifelessthe API is fine19:46
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devanandalucasagomes: nope :(19:46
lucasagomes:) np19:46
devanandalifeless: the question was wether we'll stick with dhcp boot information flowing (ironic->)nova->neutron or change to ironic->neutron19:47
devanandalifeless: and i suspect it'll need a longer discussion to tease out the implementation/complications of that change, at least for me19:48
devanandaif no one has other topics, shall we wrap up a bit early?19:50
dkehn+119:50
yuriyzdeploy ramdisk changes for Ironic?19:50
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devanandayuriyz: that should end up being a fairly minor change, once all the API aspects around vendor_passthru are done19:52
lucasagomesyuriyz, shoot :)19:52
devanandabut if you have questions about it, dont hesitate to ask19:52
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devanandawell, let's wrap up. thanks everyone!19:55
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devananda#endmeeting19:55
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lucasagomesthanks19:55
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lifelessdevananda: ah19:56
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lifelessreminder to anyone looking for the tripleo meeting, it's in 23 hours from now, in rm 2.20:03
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mesteryHowdy folks20:59
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nextone92How are you doing (from a newbie here)20:59
mesterynextone92: It's Monday afternoon for me, so not too bad. :)20:59
markmcclainhi20:59
rkukurahi21:00
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Swamihi21:00
pcm_hi21:00
SumitNaiksatamhi all!21:00
beagleso/21:00
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markmcclainarosen, armax, emagana, amotoki, marun: around?21:02
emaganahello all!21:02
emaganahere!!21:02
arosenHiya21:02
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markmcclain#startmeeting Networking21:04
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep 30 21:04:02 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:04
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking'21:04
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markmcclain#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings21:04
markmcclain#topic Announcements21:04
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markmcclainThe RC will cut tonight/tomorrow21:04
markmcclainI've been tagging non-essential bugs as havana-rc-potential21:04
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markmcclainif they land before the release candidate is cut great21:05
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markmcclainif not we'll consider any late merges into a potential RC221:05
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markmcclainWe've had a few bugs that have been causing problems in the gate for a few days now21:06
markmcclain#topic Bugs21:07
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markmcclainhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=Critical&field.status=New&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress21:07
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markmcclainThe bugs have been causing gate resets which slows down code merging for the entire community21:07
marun:(21:08
markmcclainhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/123040721:08
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1230407 in neutron "VMs can't progress through state changes because Neutron is deadlocking on it's database queries, and thus leaving networks in inconsistent states" [Critical,Confirmed]21:08
markmcclainthe interim work around was to revert the inclusion of the VPN service into the gate21:08
marunis that a duplicate of that previous gate bug?21:08
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markmcclainmarun: they're all slight variants of the same problem21:08
marunI think jlibosva (probably not on) has narrowed the problem to a deadlock with the l3scheduler21:09
marunhe reports being able to consistently reproduce anyway21:09
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marunto clarify, competition between l3scheduler and agent heartbeat update via rpc21:09
markmcclaingood to know.. reproducing these failures has been a bit of a challenge21:10
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nati_uenoHi sorry late21:11
markmcclainAre there any other critical bugs that team needs to be tracking?21:12
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markmcclain#topic API Docs21:13
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emaganawe are targeting ML2 first cut of the documentation this wednesday, the ML2 team has done a great job finding owners for the doc bugs.. all of them have been assigned21:13
markmcclainemagana: you jumped the gun :)21:13
emaganaalso a bug doc to include a note about deprecating the OVS and LB21:14
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emaganamarkmcclain: sorry..21:14
emaganawill wait!21:14
markmcclainno worries21:14
markmcclainSalvatore is off this evening, but emailed me to say that the API docs are on scheduled and should be completed by the Havana release21:14
markmcclainhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-site/+bugs?field.tag=netconn-api21:14
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markmcclainnow we'll move to Admin and user docs21:15
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markmcclain#topics Docs21:15
markmcclainemagana: your turn21:15
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markmcclain#topic Docs21:15
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emaganawell, I did already mention the ML221:15
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emaganaI think that is the most important update21:15
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markmcclainthat's good news21:16
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markmcclainAnything questions on docs?21:16
markmcclain#topic FWaaS21:17
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markmcclainSumitNaiksatam: looks like we a few open reviews for Horizon support21:18
SumitNaiksatamjust one as of now21:18
SumitNaiksatamone just got merged21:18
SumitNaiksatamwe are doing good :-)21:18
markmcclaingood21:18
SumitNaiksatamthis one should also get through21:18
markmcclainthis one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/4901921:18
SumitNaiksatamyeah21:19
SumitNaiksatamits failing on tempest gate21:19
SumitNaiksatamotherwise fix is good21:19
amotokiSumitNaiksatam: the fix is good. now looking :-)21:19
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SumitNaiksatamyeah thanks to KC for the fix21:20
markmcclainlooks like it is being caught up in the mix of the critical bugs we talked about earlier21:20
SumitNaiksatamyeah21:20
SumitNaiksatamotherwise all other fwaas neutron bugs fixed, so good for now, touch wood21:20
markmcclaingood thanks for updating21:21
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markmcclain#topic Horizon21:21
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amotokihi, morning.21:21
markmcclainamotoki: Any additional Horizon related information to share?21:21
amotokithanks for taking care of quota issue.21:22
amotokihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1189671 is the only remaining one.21:22
markmcclainyou're welcome21:22
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1189671 in neutron "default quota driver not suitable for production" [High,In progress]21:22
amotokiwhat is its status?21:23
markmcclainthat one has some strange unit test assumptions21:23
markmcclainso when run out of order installed quota driver isn't always initialized21:24
markmcclainin production the order is correct based on normal operation21:24
markmcclainI'll post a new revision for you to look at today.. I'll ping you when it's ready21:26
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amotokimarkmcclain: thanks. I will take care of the status.21:26
amotokiall from me.21:26
markmcclainamotoki: thanks for updating21:27
markmcclain#topic Hong Kong Design Summit21:27
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markmcclain#link http://summit.openstack.org21:27
markmcclainYou can file summit sessions ideas at that site.21:28
markmcclainRemember it is not the first to file, so if your idea overlaps with another feel free to file yours too.21:28
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geoffarnoldWhat's the deadline?21:29
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markmcclainI believe the deadline is October 18th21:29
markmcclainI encourage folks to file early21:29
markmcclainit enables time to provide feedback and helps with planning21:30
mesterymarkmcclain: At one point you said these need blueprints attached, still the case?21:30
geoffarnoldAnd do we know how many Neutron-related slots will be available? (From which we can infer pressure to merge....)21:30
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markmcclaingeoffarnold: We have Tues, Wednesday, and Friday21:31
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markmcclainthere will be some pressure to merge as our time in our track has been oversubscribed for the last 3 summits21:32
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markmcclainThat's where filing early helps us better plan and schedule to reduce conflicts for folks who are speaking or needed for cross project sessions21:33
markmcclainWhen proposing topics remember to consider community features too.21:33
markmcclainCommunity features are beneficial to everyone in the Neutron community.21:34
markmcclainAny questions on the summit?21:35
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: except vendor plugin features, aren't what we are all doing beneficial to the entire community?21:35
mesteryDo we need blueprints for design summit proposals?21:35
marunmestery: only if you're implementing something!21:36
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mesterymarun: I thought markmcclain said at an earlier meeting design summit sessions with blueprints would have higher precedence.21:36
geoffarnoldImplementing includes refactoring and deprecating, of course ;-)21:36
markmcclainSumitNaiksatam: Yes, but there is a tendency to shiny new features instead of the task such is refactoring code or improving scalability21:37
marunof course21:37
marun*cough* testing *cough*21:37
* mestery thinks marun is trying to tell us something. :)21:37
markmcclainmestery: yes.. including a blueprint with your summit proposal will increase your chances of being selected21:37
marunmestery: it's like you're psychic or something!21:37
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mesterymarkmcclain: thanks for clarifying.21:37
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: don't want to get into philosophical debate, but I request we stop using the "shiny" new feature terminology21:38
marunwhy?21:38
SumitNaiksatamin my mind there are two types of feature, neutron common, and vendor specific21:38
markmcclainmarun is being a little subtle on testing bit, but testing is something that would definitely want to discuss21:38
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markmcclainthe current tempest random failures are a good indicator that we have some work to do in this area21:39
marunSumitNaiksatam: if our existing codebase is extremely problematic from a quality perspective - and our gate issues suggest that is the case - most new features are shiny by definition 21:39
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SumitNaiksatammarun: to me that is a matter of prioritization21:40
marunHopefully the 'neutron sucks' (provisional name of course) session will bring about consensus on how to change this21:40
marunBut one of the main things is that no new feature should be acceptable without corresponding tempest tests21:40
markmcclainSumitNaiksatam: shiny features are good things too I'll find a different way of classifying items21:40
emaganamarun: +121:40
marunWriting them after the fact has proven disastrous.21:40
SumitNaiksatammarun: agree21:40
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mesterymarun: +121:41
marunSumitNaiksatam: Agree on prioritization, completely.21:41
mesteryAnd lets not forget migration from and deprecation of nova-networking21:41
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marunSumitNaiksatam: The hope is to make sure all the important quality issues can be weighed against features this cycle rather than being relegated to the end of the list by inattention.21:41
mesteryThat's been on the docket for a while as well, and is something we as a team need to start looking at solving I think.21:41
SumitNaiksatammarun: agree21:42
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geoffarnoldI know we've used Tempest for a while, but it still makes me think of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_(codename)21:42
markmcclainmestery: I agree21:42
marunmestery: +121:43
beaglesI've been working on a first crack of a definition of  "parity", it isn't quite done yet (should be next COB)21:43
emaganaplease, include Performance Improvement as a main topic. I am pretty sure some developers are working on that21:43
markmcclainbeagles: great!21:43
mesterybeagles: Perfect!21:43
beagleshttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1E9CiG8fmcn0FMI15zpE0dRQ1CcFhXV8TxL7mU7vgWv8/edit?usp=sharing21:43
marunemagana: I'm not sure we should be approaching that yet21:43
geoffarnoldemagana: +121:43
marunI think quality and testing are a prerequisite for optimization.21:43
mesterybeagles: This is pretty awesome, thanks for writing this up.21:43
marunIf we do one before the other we're going to have issues.21:43
beaglesthere is still lots to add in there, but some of that is in "put all my bloody notes together"21:44
markmcclainRemember the summit is community driven, so please do file sessions on these topics21:44
beaglesthere is some very strong language about the necessity of testing there :)21:44
emaganamarun: we add a lot of new features in this release, I suggest we should focus on performance and scalability for I release21:44
mesterybeagles: I'm sure marun approves of that. :)21:44
marun+121:45
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beaglesheh21:45
marunemagana: if there were tempest tests for those features, I'd agree.21:45
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marunemagana: But in the absense of being able to ensure that optimizations don't cause regressions, I'll fight tooth and nail against optimization initiatives.21:45
emaganamarun: Yes, of course. My point is to give priority to performance improvement instead of more new features. I remember reading an email when L3 agent took 5 minutes in restart with just 10 tenants and 10 networks each21:46
marunemagana: Ah, ok.  Yes, we need acceptable quality (whatever that might be) in existing features before new ones get priority.21:47
marun+121:47
markmcclainSo remember to file early: http://summit.openstack.org21:47
markmcclain#topic Open Discussion21:48
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markmcclainAny other items the team needs to discuss?21:48
mesteryThe patch to default devstack to ML2 instead of OVS has been stalling in the gate all day: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47837/21:48
mesteryBut once that goes in, ML2 will be exercised much more as part of the gate.21:48
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markmcclaincool21:49
amotokicool, but one question.21:49
amotokiDoesn't it make the situation more complicated if we change the defautl plugin at this moment?21:49
jog0markmcclain: whats your plan for stabilizing gate?21:50
mesteryamotoki: It's a risk, but this will help catch issues with ML2 earlier rather than later.21:50
mesteryAnd tempest passes the full suite with it already.21:50
mesteryrkukura and I have verified this locally in our setups.21:50
markmcclainjog0: Salvatore did some digging on two of the issues21:50
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jog0markmcclain: because cutting an RC and opening up development with these bugs outstanding concerns me21:51
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markmcclainso I'm picking up from the notes he left and I'll ping marun about the agent scheduling deadlock21:51
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amotokimestery: I don't have an objection on moving the default. just hearing opinions.21:51
rkukuraI have one topic to discuss21:52
mesteryamotoki: Understood.21:52
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sdaguemarkmcclain: as far as i can see droping q-vpn from devstack-gate made the deadlock go away just be decreasing neutron db traffic21:52
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markmcclainjog0: I don't think these are recent regressions, but instead we've managed to tweak unrelated items in such a way to amplify them21:52
sdaguewhich means the issue is still there, we just aren't tickling it21:52
markmcclainsdague: agreed that's why I'm still working on that problem21:53
sdaguethat looked like the minor race though, there are a lot more hard to track down races on networks not starting, and no indication why21:53
markmcclainthe reversion was temporary workaround21:53
jog0sdague: that sounds like a workaround not a fix21:53
markmcclainthe failures still occur too frequently21:53
sdaguejog0: absolutely21:53
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markmcclainsdague: devstack is a still testing environment, so the problem itself needs to be addressed because prod is going to be significantly more complex21:54
markmcclains/still/simple/21:54
sdaguemarkmcclain: yep, definitely21:54
jog0markmcclain: so will RC and trunk open even if these aren't fixed?21:55
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markmcclainmy personal preference is to cut an RC with this as a known issue21:55
jog0markmcclain: can we cut a release with this as a bug?21:56
markmcclainmainly for the psychological reason that folks are more likely to test the RC21:56
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jog0markmcclain: true, but I am afraid of devs moving forward while critical bugs still exist21:56
markmcclainjog0: I'd have reservations cutting a release until we understand bug better21:56
jog0markmcclain: fair enough, thanks21:57
sdaguemarkmcclain: so I'm actually more concerned with the other neutron races which seem far easier to tickle21:57
sdagueand far harder to figure out the issue21:57
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sdaguehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/122400121:57
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1224001 in neutron "test_network_basic_ops fails waiting for network to become available" [Critical,New]21:57
jog0sdague: yeah that one is a strange21:57
sdaguethat's basically why the gate is slow21:58
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markmcclainsdague: I think that one might be related to same agent problems21:58
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sdaguepossibly21:58
sdaguehttp://logstash.openstack.org/#eyJzZWFyY2giOiJcInRlbXBlc3Quc2NlbmFyaW8udGVzdF9uZXR3b3JrX2Jhc2ljX29wcyBBc3NlcnRpb25FcnJvcjogVGltZWQgb3V0IHdhaXRpbmcgZm9yXCIiLCJmaWVsZHMiOltdLCJvZmZzZXQiOjAsInRpbWVmcmFtZSI6Ijg2NDAwIiwiZ3JhcGhtb2RlIjoiY291bnQiLCJ0aW1lIjp7InVzZXJfaW50ZXJ2YWwiOjB9LCJzdGFtcCI6MTM4MDQ1NzY5NzMxOX0=21:58
sdaguejust to get an idea of *how* often that one's popping up21:58
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jog0sdague: and flaky gate meens bad user experience for havana :(21:59
markmcclainjog0: agreed…. users expect stability21:59
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markmcclainOk time is up for today… thanks for stopping by.. if you've more data on the critical bugs please add comments to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1230407 or https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/122400122:01
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1230407 in neutron "VMs can't progress through state changes because Neutron is deadlocking on it's database queries, and thus leaving networks in inconsistent states" [Critical,Confirmed]22:01
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markmcclainHave a good rest of the week22:01
markmcclain#endmeeting22:01
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emaganaciao ciao22:01
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mesterybye everyone!22:02
jog0thanks markmcclain22:02
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