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NobodyCamany one here for Ironic meeting19:02
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NobodyCam#startmeeting Ironic19:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep 16 19:02:48 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'19:02
romchegSo you decided to have the meeting finally :)19:03
NobodyCamironic is not going to have a meeting today19:03
NobodyCamlol19:03
romcheglol :)19:03
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NobodyCamwe can chat19:03
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romchegI think it's better to mention the reason for the folks who will read the logs tomorrow19:04
NobodyCamyes19:04
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NobodyCamso Due to the tripleO meeting in seattle there will be no ironic meeting this week!19:06
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romchegAh, so they have a meeting in the real world, aren't they?19:08
NobodyCamya :-p19:09
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romchegI wish teleportation have been invented already so I can easily join these meetings :)19:10
NobodyCamthat would be so nice19:10
* NobodyCam is not look forward to the 20 hour flight to HK19:11
romchegOh please don't remind me *scarred*19:11
NobodyCamoh ya19:11
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* NobodyCam has heard that most signs are in english too19:14
NobodyCamso is there an iRonic topics we want to cover while we are here19:15
romchegWell19:20
romchegWe can talk about testing19:20
romchegI mentioned in the project room that I am working on tempest tests for Ironic19:21
NobodyCamyes!!!19:21
NobodyCamdid you see my reply about who to ping?19:21
romchegI have written a tempest client and some API tests but did not know how to integrate everything with infra.19:22
romchegYes, I did. Will do that tomorrow19:22
romchegThanks19:22
NobodyCamalso clarkb is a awesome resource19:22
romchegI also think that it's time to create a project on Transifex to start translating Ironic19:23
romchegIt's always better to start translating the project before there are too many strings19:24
romchegI personally can do Ukrainian and Russian19:24
NobodyCam#action romcheg looking at Ukrainian and Russian transifex translations19:26
NobodyCamromcheg: that would be very cool19:27
NobodyCamany idea of how i18n conplient we are?19:27
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romchegI don't think I am authorised to create a Transifex project for Ironic19:27
romchegShouldn't devananda do that?19:27
NobodyCamI will snag devananda at some point today19:28
NobodyCamand check with him19:28
romchegThanks19:28
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romcheg#action NobodyCam Ask devananda to think about a Transifex project for Ironic19:29
NobodyCam:) hehehehe19:29
NobodyCamyep19:29
romchegI didn't dive into the i18n specs but will check.19:29
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NobodyCamso that its in the log.19:31
romcheg#action romcheg Check how i18n conplient we are19:31
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NobodyCamseveral changes to tripleo / devtest / incubator scripts last week19:32
romchegAh copied and pasted the typo19:32
NobodyCamI am going to redo the Ironic element to comply with the changes19:32
NobodyCamlol19:32
NobodyCam:)19:33
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NobodyCamI'm at the triple O meeting today so will get with the guys and see if we can get thiese to land19:34
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romchegNice19:35
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NobodyCamany thing else we should put in  to the logs19:37
romchegCan recall nothing19:38
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NobodyCam:) in that case! AWESOME meeting guys (romcheg) :)19:40
romchegThank you guys (NobodyCam)! :)19:40
NobodyCamheeheh19:40
NobodyCam#endmeeting19:40
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openstackMeeting ended Mon Sep 16 19:40:50 2013 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)19:40
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-09-16-19.02.html19:40
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-09-16-19.02.txt19:40
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-09-16-19.02.log.html19:40
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dguitarbiteis the docs meeting here in some time ?19:54
NobodyCamnext up is tripleO19:54
NobodyCammeeting19:54
dguitarbitek19:55
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salv-orlandoslohs20:57
salv-orlandoaloha20:57
roaethello20:57
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markmcclainhi20:57
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dkehnhi20:57
Swamihi all20:58
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garykeitah20:59
mesteryyo21:00
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SumitNaiksatamhi all!21:00
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amotokihi all21:00
marunhi21:00
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markmcclainarosen, armax, gongysh: around?21:01
* mestery waves to HenryG from all the way down in New Orleans.21:01
nati_uenohi!21:01
arosenmarkmcclain:  ship21:01
arosensup**21:01
HenryGmestery: o/21:01
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markmcclainarosen: catermaran21:02
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markmcclain#startmeeting Networking21:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep 16 21:02:16 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking'21:02
markmcclain#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings21:02
markmcclain#topic Announcements21:02
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markmcclainThe Openstack Foundation is currently conducting a user survery21:03
markmcclain#link https://www.openstack.org/user-survey/Login/21:03
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markmcclainthe results from this survey are really important for the community because it gives us good data to help prioritize and shape our planning21:03
gongyshhi21:04
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markmcclain#link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/havana-rc121:04
markmcclainWe're closing on our first release candidate21:04
markmcclainNow is the time to focus on testing and bug squashing21:04
markmcclainWith that21:05
markmcclain#topic Bugs21:05
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markmcclainhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/121191521:05
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1211915 in neutron "Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached" [Critical,Confirmed]21:05
markmcclainthis is our only critical bug21:05
markmcclainit is still showing up in some gate runs21:05
markmcclainIt is currently unassigned21:05
markmcclainI know we have a few folks look into it21:06
markmcclaindo we have someone who wants to step be the assignee?21:06
marunarg, I never did get to it21:06
marunnati_ueno: did you make any progress?21:06
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nati_uenomarun: sorry no progress. it looks like agent udpate has sql issue21:07
nati_uenoit get slow queries21:07
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nati_uenothen we got many connections, then we got the error21:07
nati_uenobut I'm not sure how to fix sql yet21:07
marunI can look at it, the only warning being that I'm off from Th to M so if I don't make progress I'll need to hand it off.21:08
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markmcclainnati_ueno: the agent does not talk directly to the db21:08
markmcclainthe RPC calls are invoking slow queries on the server?21:08
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nati_uenomarkmcclain: yep. so I mean, agent kicks rpc and server side db call get slow queries21:08
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marunnati_ueno: if you can help me reproduce it shouldn't be that hard to fix21:09
marun(famous last words)21:09
markmcclainnati_ueno: have you isolated which queries those are?21:09
markmcclainmarun: I'm going to make you the assignee :)21:09
nati_uenonot yet. I can't repro it in my local yet21:09
marunmarkmcclain: ok21:09
nati_uenomarun: Thanks!21:09
markmcclainnati_ueno: ok21:10
markmcclainAny other critical bugs the team needs to know about?21:10
markmcclain#topic API Docs21:11
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markmcclainsalv-orlando: hi21:11
* markmcclain forgot to add it to the wiki21:11
salv-orlandohi. Sadly no huge progress on api docs.21:11
salv-orlandoApart from the fact that we have port bindings docs under review21:11
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salv-orlandobut I still owe the author samples21:11
SumitNaiksatamfwaas api doc being worked on; i just uploaded a new patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/4574121:11
markmcclaingreat!21:11
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salv-orlandoWe need documentation, I think, at least for allowed address pairs21:12
markmcclaincorrect21:12
markmcclainI thought arosen volunteered last week write those21:12
arosenyup, I did the doc for openstack-manuals for it but not the api doc's yet.21:12
markmcclainarosen: awesome21:13
salv-orlandodo you remember if we have a taker for metering?21:13
arosenI'll bite that off this week21:13
markmcclainsalv-orlando: not yet21:13
* salv-orlando salv-orlando to ensure each API extension is tracked on launchpad with a bug21:13
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markmcclain#action salv-orlando to ensure each API ext is tracked on LP with a bug21:13
salv-orlando#action member:salv-orlando to ensure each API extension is tracked on launchpad with a bug21:13
salv-orlandothanks21:13
markmcclainofficial now :)21:13
pcm_FYI, bug-fix out for review for VPNaaS API doc, change to size of peer_address attribute.21:13
markmcclain#topic Docs21:14
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amotoki fyi/ I just added the link to api-site on the meeting wiki.21:14
markmcclainamotoki: thanks!21:14
markmcclainEdgar is out this week21:15
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markmcclainThe docs has decided to build a consolidated admin guide21:15
rkukurasalv-orlando: Don't see doc bug for multiprovidernet21:15
arosenrkukura:  i'll bite that one off too.21:15
salv-orlandorkukura: you are right. Indeed the action item markmcclain created is for me to do them21:16
markmcclainthere will be a few movements of the docs, so be on the lookout for suggestions from annegentle and her team21:16
markmcclainon where some sections might move to21:16
SumitNaiksatamfwaas admin doc is out of WIP and has received reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44756/21:16
annegentleyes do keep an eye on the review queue21:16
SumitNaiksatamthis is with the new structure21:16
annegentleSumitNaiksatam: thanks, what we are considering next is moving network-admin-guide into admin-guide-cloud21:17
annegentleSumitNaiksatam: so yours is the 0.5 version and we hope to get to 1.0 :)21:17
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SumitNaiksatamannegentle: ok21:17
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SumitNaiksatamhopefully this will get merged before that! :-)21:17
annegentleSumitNaiksatam: yes I think that's best!21:18
SumitNaiksatamannegentle: yay, thanks!21:19
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markmcclainI know rkukura and mestery are collaborating on the ML2 docs21:19
gongyshI will focus on reviewing neutron doc this week and test them.21:19
rkukurano progress from me yet21:19
mesterySame for me, though hopefully this week we'll get that rolling.21:19
roaetis there room for more help on that rkukura ?21:20
rkukurapossibly - haven't really started yet, but lets talk21:20
roaetthanks, appreciate it.21:20
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markmcclainAny other docs items to discuss?21:21
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markmcclain#topic Python Client21:22
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markmcclain#info 2.3.1 was released today to PyPI21:22
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markmcclain#topic Horizon21:23
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amotokihi. FFE items are good shapre.21:24
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amotokiThe subsequent patch in FWaaS for better navigation under review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45901/ .21:24
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amotokii would like to call for testing for the patch.21:25
markmcclainSumitNaiksatam: has the FW sub team had a good chance to look at this?21:25
amotokiI believe it is a good improvement. The example snapshot is available at the Wiki. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#Networking_in_Horizon_.28amotoki.2921:25
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amotokii will ask FWaaS folks after the meeting.21:27
markmcclainLet's try to get as many eyes on this week as possible21:27
markmcclainamotoki: any other Horizon updates?21:27
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amotokinothing from me.21:28
markmcclainamotoki: thanks for the update21:28
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markmcclain#topic Icehouse Design Summit21:28
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markmcclainI want to let everyone know that you can now propose summit sessions21:29
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain amotoki: sorry, had stepped away, i will be testing the new patch from amotoki21:29
markmcclain#link http://summit.openstack.org21:29
markmcclainSumitNaiksatam: thanks21:29
amotokiSumitNaiksatam: thanks21:29
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markmcclainThere is still plenty of time to propose, so write your docs for existing code first :)21:30
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markmcclainA few reminders about summit proposals....21:30
markmcclainIt is not the first to file.  If there multiple proposals for the same topic we'll work form teams around the common interests21:30
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markmcclainthis has worked very well for us in the past with LBaaS, VPNaas,  and FWaaS being good examples of where the community came together to plan in advance21:31
markmcclainIf you have something that is a better mini topic make sure to make a note in the proposal.  We'll reserve some slots for mini sessions.21:32
markmcclainThere is one new wrinkle this time around.21:32
markmcclainBlueprints and/or etherpads are encouraged21:32
markmcclainHaving one associated with proposal will help your proposal have a better chance at acceptance21:32
markmcclainit also helps us schedule the sessions around common themes and provide feedback to help shape discussion ebfore we get to Hong Kong21:33
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markmcclainWhen thinking about topics it is important that we balance shiny features with community features21:34
markmcclaincommunity features benefit the whole community… recent examples include ML2, metadata21:34
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markmcclainAny questions on proposing for the summit?21:35
salv-orlandoI would like to raise a point, perhaps not important, but since you're asking for questions21:35
salv-orlandoI noticed in previous summits that in several cases going to summit session with slides just did not work; this is perhaps because a collaborative discussion is very different from a presentation.21:35
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salv-orlandoshould we propose to ban them?21:35
markmcclainsalv-orlando: I'm actually leaning that way21:35
* mestery agrees with salv-orlando and markmcclain on this one as well.21:36
markmcclainbut wanted to discuss a little closer to the summit21:36
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marunban entirely?21:36
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salv-orlandoagreed21:36
markmcclainmarun: yeah… slides tend to discourage discussion21:36
maruni'm confused.  are slides not useful for providing an introduction to a topic for discussion?21:36
markmcclainthe point of the ODS is to be collaborative21:36
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salv-orlandomarun: the ether pad should be the main thing on display, imho21:36
SumitNaiksatammarun: i agree21:36
marunah, fair enough21:37
MarkAtwoodslides = bad21:37
salv-orlandoyou can have bullets like if they were slides there21:37
roaetIf the etherpad has the basic information, I agree with no slides.21:37
garykslides helps present an idea.21:37
marunI still have mixed feelings21:37
MarkAtwoodits easy to preseed the etherpad21:37
SumitNaiksatamhow do you capture diagrams in etherpad?21:37
marunWhat if we want a diagram?21:37
marunyeah, what he said.21:37
MarkAtwoodthink in text21:37
mesteryWhiteboards?21:38
markmcclainyeah.. we can work at mechanics a little closer to the summit21:38
marunI'm not suggesting we want to encourage broadcast sessions, but this black and white thinking is a bit much.21:38
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mesteryWhiteboards are more collaborative I think, though present some challenges of their own.21:38
markmcclainbut I wanted to plant the seed that we really want to encourage discussion over lecture style sessiosn21:38
marun-1 to lecture style, for sure21:38
markmcclainmarun: no black and white rules21:39
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markmcclainthe core team can work with the proposers21:39
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markmcclainand figure out a good common ground because effective discussion is the most important item21:39
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: even ether pad could be lecture style, i believe a collaborative session can be had irrespective of the mode of presentation21:39
markmcclainSumitNaiksatam: agreed21:40
markmcclain#info Our summit sessions will run Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday21:41
markmcclainfor those planning travel arrangements21:41
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markmcclainWe've have a Thursday break to attend sessions for other projects and discuss is open space on any items that spill over their time21:42
markmcclainAny other summit items?21:43
markmcclain#topic Open Discussion21:43
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garykwill there be any join sessions21:43
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markmcclaingaryk: right now we haven't scheduled any21:43
garyksorry joint sessions - for example replacing nova networking21:43
garykok.21:43
markmcclainbut there are few I'd like to see: especially around tempest and returning to migration away from nova-net21:44
geoffarnoldDepending on initial reaction, may want the DNRM session to be joint Neutron-Nova to address the compute aspects of NFV21:44
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amotokigeoffarnold: what is DNRM?21:45
markmcclaingeoffarnold: have you filed already?21:46
gongyshgeoffarnold: what is NFV21:46
geoffarnoldSee the blueprint for Dynamic Network Resource Management I posted a couple of weeks ago21:46
amotokigongysh: NFV = network function virtualization21:46
geoffarnoldNFV: network function virtualization21:46
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geoffarnoldHaven't filed a session proposal yet: working with a few others to make it a collaborative proposal21:47
gongyshgeoffarnold:  can u show me the BP url of DNRM?21:47
marunthat seems like a pretty ambitious blueprint.  Is the intention to implement in smaller chunks at least?21:47
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geoffarnoldhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints21:48
geoffarnoldOops - sorry too quick21:48
amotokiIt also seems to be related to network aware scheduling.21:48
geoffarnoldhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/dynamic-network-resource-mgmt21:48
geoffarnoldCan't easily do it in chunks - too many interdependencies. We'll have a demo with code at Hong Kong21:49
marun??21:49
geoffarnoldResource scheduling, not compute scheduling21:49
SumitNaiksatamgeoffarnold: some of us have branistroming on the service VM discussion: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/adv-services-in-vms21:49
geoffarnoldAlthough in the long term they're probably linked21:50
marunThat doesn't sound particularly amenable to iterative development, or of effective reviewer oversight.21:50
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SumitNaiksatamgeoffarnold: would be great if you can join the discussion21:50
garyksorry guys i am beat. have a good night21:50
roaetJust for a simple summary, what resources are being dynamically managed?21:50
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carl_baldwinAll, regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37131/.  (multiple API worker processes) The three initial patch contributions have come together in to this patch set.  There is a Jenkins failure that we don't quite understand.  Looks like an older recheck bug.  Would anyone be willing to put some eyes on the failure?21:51
marung'night gary21:51
roaetI"m looking at the pdf now, but I'm sure someone else may have the question.21:51
markmcclaingaryk: night21:51
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geoffarnoldHmm. That blueprint is a couple of weeks after DNRM; a pity it wasn't sync'd21:51
markmcclainAny other discussion items?21:51
marungeoffarnold: I'd like to discuss offline when you have the chance.21:51
markmcclaincarl_baldwin: let's discuss offline about that one21:51
carl_baldwinmarkmcclain: Sure, ping me when you have time.21:52
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marunThe polling minimization changes still need review (bug/1177973): https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/203521:52
geoffarnoldSure, marun: email me at geoff@geoffarnold.com21:53
marungeoffarnold: ack21:53
markmcclainmarun: there's been a bit of concern about bug vs feature21:53
marunmarkmcclain: really?21:53
marunmarkmcclain: Where has that feedback been coming from?21:54
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markmcclainyeah.. can't remember where I saw it on the bug, review or ML21:54
marunmarkmcclain: *sigh*21:54
markmcclainI'll have to dig up the link21:54
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salv-orlandoI raised the concern21:54
marunmarkmcclain: and?21:54
salv-orlandonot because I want to piss off people21:54
salv-orlandoor to moan, even if I do that a lot21:54
marunsalv-orlando: Would you like to talk to me about it?21:54
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marunsalv-orlando: this is the first I'm hearing21:55
salv-orlandojust because the bug fix resulted in 4 patches21:55
salv-orlandoI think I commented on one review21:55
salv-orlando4 patches with rather large diffs21:55
salv-orlandoor perhaps I am wrong and I was looking at other patches21:55
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marunI made sure to make each patch very coherent and to the point.21:55
amotokiand salv-orlando commented it on the bug.21:55
marun*sigh*21:56
salv-orlandomarun: I have no problem in reviewing, and letting it merge in RC121:56
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marunI'm not trying to add a new feature.  The point was to make l2 agent performance suck less so developers don't have their machines spinning at idle.21:56
salv-orlandoI just raised a question - based on what has been done in previous releases. For other people to comment and make a call21:57
marunAnd it's optional - turned off by default.  No existing functionality is affected.21:57
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marunAnyway, reviews appreciated.  If this isn't deemed useful, sure, it can wait until icehouse.21:58
marunBut I'm going to suggest that pushing back because of the number of patches is a bad idea.21:58
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marunSure, I could have tried to merge one large patch.   But patch coherency is important and should make reviewing easier.21:59
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* markmcclain likes small patches vs behemoths 21:59
salv-orlandoIf the patch allows one to run the code in the same sucky way it did, then it should be no problem in terms of being disruptive21:59
marunIt is entirely optional - it's necessary to set minimize_polling = True in the agent config for the new path to be used.22:00
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markmcclainok.. we're at time22:00
markmcclainlet's take a look at the code and discuss on the review22:01
markmcclainsound good?22:01
salv-orlandolooks good to me. I apologise if I sounded like a bitch moaning over bureaucratic principles22:01
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* mestery chuckles silently.22:01
amotokisounds good to me.22:02
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markmcclainsalv-orlando: no need to apologize.. it is important to keep a critical eye and understand what's being merged this late in the cycle22:02
dkehnditto that22:03
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markmcclainThanks to everyone for joining and let's get our docs done since good docs make the user experience better22:03
markmcclainHave a great week and see everyone on the ML and IRC22:03
markmcclain#endmeeting22:04
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amotokibye. good day/night!22:04
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markmcclainnight22:06
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