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devanandahi!19:00
devanandawho all is here for the Ironic meeting?19:00
GheRiverohola19:00
linggaohi19:00
anteayao/19:00
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lucasagomeshey19:01
devanandak, let's get started19:01
devananda#start meeting ironic19:01
devananda#startmeeting ironic19:02
openstackMeeting started Mon May 20 19:02:01 2013 UTC.  The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'19:02
devanandafirstly, for anyone not used to these sort of meetings19:02
devanandathere's an agenda :)19:02
devananda#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic19:02
devananda#topic API specifications19:03
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devanandaso, the background here is19:03
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devanandaa few people from different companies have said "hey, how can we interoprate with Ironic"19:03
devanandaand I said, "we dont have a well-defined API *yet*"19:03
devanandaand I think we should probably iron that out soon19:03
devanandaanyone have strong opinions on that?19:04
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devanandaor on what the API should look like?19:04
epimWoo, meeting time. :)19:04
anteayaI agree we should have an api19:04
epimand it should be versioned!19:04
GheRiveroAPI is a must do19:04
sdagueo/ <- here19:05
anteayaregarding how it looks, what kind of expectations do the different companies have?19:05
devanandawell, yes, we must have an API :)19:05
sdaguedevananda: so was there a natural bit inside the baremetal driver that would make sense to start to expose as rest resources/19:05
linggaoI am plalying with nova-baremetal from greezly. So one thing I would like to see in ironic api is that it can handle mutiple nodes with one command.19:05
sdague?19:05
devanandaand yes, it should probably be versioned19:05
devanandasdague: there was an extension to Nova's API19:05
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linggaolike boot node1,node2...19:06
devanandawhich exposed create/show/delete for nodes and interfaces19:06
sdaguedevananda: so I'd start with that, just as a place to grow from19:06
devanandasdague: that was my initial thinking19:06
devanandaoh! i should probably say19:06
devananda#link https://raw.github.com/openstack/ironic/master/ironic/doc/api/v1.rst19:06
devanandathat is a sketch of a possible API19:06
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devanandanot at all set in stone. just a straw-man for discussion19:07
anteayalooks like a reasonable starting point19:07
NobodyCamdoh19:07
sdaguemy suggestions,it should be19:07
NobodyCamsorry late19:07
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sdague /node/<id>/ifaces/ instead of /node/ifaces/<id>19:08
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sdagueactually, the same for all those deeper resources19:08
GheRiveroand the same for image, power...19:08
sdagueyep19:08
epimdevananda: good start on that sketch, I think we should have the ability to mark a node as unavailable. If hardware issues are detected you can mark it as unavailable to scheduling until it's repaired19:08
devanandasdague: thanks19:08
sdaguedevananda: you want suggestions as patch reviews?19:09
sdaguethat provides voting etc19:09
devanandasdague: that'd be great :)19:09
devanandaepim: 'unavailable 'seems like a state or flag on a node, not a separate API call19:09
sdagueok, you can action me to provide some proposed suggestions19:10
devanandaepim: eg, PUT /node/<id> {'state': 'unavailable'} or such19:10
devananda#action sdague to provide API changes in a review19:10
sdagueI would also try to take a page out of the book for the nova v3 rewrite on how they are doing extensions, that would give you flexibility to add between major revs19:10
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linggaoall the commands for node should be able to handle more than one node, or a group of node. this is very important for a large clound.19:10
devanandasdague: ah, i haven't been following the v3 rewrite closely enough19:11
devanandathough i have been thinking about the versioned internal objects work that Nova is doing19:11
devanandaand would like to have the groundwork for something like that in place, too19:11
epimYup, i'd go so far as PUT /node/<id> {'state': 'unavailable', 'reason' : 'bad memory, repair order XYZ123 filed'}19:11
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devanandaepim: so that's another part of the API which isn't drafted yet -- what the JSON structures are, what fields are required, etc19:12
sdaguedevananda: also, would you mind moving doc to the root layer?19:12
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sdaguemost other projects do that, and it's just a little easier to find19:12
devananda#action devananda to move ironic/doc/ to doc/19:12
sdagueI can propose that as a review19:12
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devanandasure. either one of us can :)19:12
devanandalinggao: so actually, i disagree about node ranges19:13
devanandalinggao: Ironic is an API for the hardware control19:13
epimthat makes sense, description fields like that should be optional19:13
devanandalinggao: scheduling and orchestration is happening at a higher layer, ie in Nova or Heat19:13
sdagueI'd start with a resource api, and add a bulk api later19:13
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epimthere should be a whole meta field about a given host, actually. memory, cpu, disk, mfr, serial no, etc19:13
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linggaoah, I see.19:13
devanandaepim: yes. initially, that field has to match what Nova expects -- # CPUs, RAM, local storage, and CPU arch19:14
devanandaepim: other data which is not useful to Nova (not yet, anyway) eg. serial #, asset tag, PCI tree, etc, could be stored in a JSON-formatted TEXT field and exposed19:15
devananda#action devananda to look at nova's v3 api rewrite and see if we can learn from that19:16
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devanandaany thing else on APIs?19:17
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epimi'll submit my ideas as a patch19:17
devanandasounds good :)19:17
devanandamoving on...19:17
devananda#topic blueprints19:17
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devananda#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic19:18
anteayathere are a few19:18
devanandaand i expect we'll end up with more19:18
anteayagood19:18
devanandaso anyone's welcome to post blueprints19:18
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devanandai'm prioritizing based on matching the functionality in the nova baremetal driver19:18
NobodyCami've started to look at the VPD b[19:18
NobodyCambp19:18
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devanandasome of these, like the manager BP, may get subdivided19:19
devanandai'd like to see all the high & essential stuff assigned at some point :)19:20
devanandaany takers?19:20
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epimI'm willing to take some blueprints on19:21
GheRiveroi'll take a deeper look and step in19:21
devanandaawesome19:21
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devanandaso, there are two unassigned right now19:22
devananda#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/equivalent-pxe-driver19:22
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devananda#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/autobuild-api-docs19:22
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devanandapxe-driver is probably going to take a bit of work19:22
devanandarefactoring the nova bareetal pxe driver to not depend on nov so much :)19:23
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devanandathe other one is all about automatically generating API docs19:23
devanandabased on the implementation of the API19:23
devanandaCeilometer is already doing this, i believe19:23
devanandaIronic's v1 api is here: https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/api/controllers/v1.py19:24
devanandaepim, GheRivero: either of those look interesting?19:24
epimI'm checking to see if one of our rockstar coders has some cycles to take on one of those19:25
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devanandaepim: ack, thanks19:25
GheRiveroi can go with the pxe, but it will be my first bp, so maybe itis a bit "risky"19:25
lucasagomesI'm not familiar with sphinx at all... but I can take a look19:26
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anteayaI'd love to jump in but I can't right now19:26
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devanandaok! sounds like we have volunteers :)19:27
* devananda assigns BPs19:27
linggaodevananda: I see there is node create and node delete. how about node change function for updating a certain field of a node.19:28
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linggaoI did not see it in nova, is there a reason for this?19:28
devanandaGheRivero: I'm happy to help with the PXe one as you go. it may be goo for me to break that down into a few smaller BPs19:28
devanandalinggao: there is PUT, which is for updates19:29
devanandalinggao: or if not, there should be :)19:29
linggaodevananda: ok.19:29
devanandalinggao: the reason in nova is that updating certain fields of a node would require rebuilding the deployed instance anyway, so that driver only implements create/delete19:30
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devanandathat may be true for some fields of Ironic as well19:30
devanandabut hopefully most of that info will be factored out to the BMC and Deploy drivers, not part of the Node itself19:31
devanandaanyway, sounds like we're done with BPs19:31
devananda#topic open discussion19:31
linggaodevananda: sometimes I typed in wrong info in nova , mac for example, but had to delete the node and then recreate it.19:31
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devanandaso, anyone have anything to talk about? feel free to jump in19:32
sdaguehey, so just circling back around to the API again, I think it would be good to get some sample json for the resources on get or post or whatever19:32
linggaohow about node discovery function?  like find and mac for a node.19:32
anteayahow are new folks feeling about posting reviews for patches?19:32
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devanandasdague: yes! actually i have that laying around... heh ...19:33
sdaguebecause I'm not sure I understand some of the resource structure just based on url right now (I also just stuck that in my review)19:33
devananda#action devananda to post sample JSON for some API calls19:33
devanandasdague: also we need to add unit tests for the api19:33
devanandaright now i think the only unit tests are for the db layer and ipmi driver19:34
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devanandalinggao: yes, the API does need to support some sorts of query or find functionality.19:35
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devanandasdague: there's some sample JSON inline, eg. https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/api/controllers/v1.py#L11919:36
sdaguedevananda: yeh, I'd just go with poking it into the doc as a scratch space19:37
sdagueok, got to run off to another meeting19:37
devanandathanks for joining us o/19:37
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devanandalinggao: any thoughts on what fields should be searchable?19:38
linggaojbjohnson: can you help on this one?19:40
jbjohnsoI wasn't here for the question19:40
linggaothis is for node discovery function.19:40
linggaolike find the mac address of a node.19:41
jbjohnsooh, so finding things by server enclosure and/or switch port (for enclosure and standalone systems respectively)19:41
devanandawas your question about discovery or just searching for a known resource?19:41
linggaowhat else can also be find out?19:41
linggaoit is for discovery.19:41
devanandaah, i misunderstood19:41
jbjohnsofirst come first serve, manual (with hints), switch, and enclosure19:42
jbjohnsoswitch workable pretty easily with arbitrary snmp switches (nicely standard)19:42
jbjohnsoenclosures would have to be proprietary19:42
devanandaso that's a great topic unto itself19:42
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devanandaright now the API doesn't include anything for hw discovery19:43
jbjohnsothe fun part comes in the secret exchange in a fashion not vulnerable remotely19:43
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devanandajbjohnso: would you want discovery exposed via a public API?19:43
devanandai would think it should be a mgmt-only function, usually not enabled, and only run on-demand to generate and feed data into the Ironic DB19:44
jbjohnsodevananda, still need my sea legs....19:44
jbjohnsoin an alternate life, we had a fairly common api for vm and baremetal19:44
devanandaas do we19:44
devanandaNova exposes a public API for controlling VMs19:44
jbjohnsofirmware inventory analagous to software inventory19:44
jbjohnsohardware inventory just a bit more detailed (e.g. we can tell you about heat spreaders on individual dimms in baremetal, not applicable to virt..19:45
devanandathat API talks to various drivers (xen, libvirt, etc)19:45
devanandaone of those drivers will be Ironic19:45
devanandaso most of the control of instances, power state, etc, will be going like this19:46
jbjohnsothe list of things a vm can do not applicable to baremetal is short (live migration, software defined hotplug, etc)19:46
devanandauser -> nova-api -> nova-copute (ironic-client) -> ironic-api -> ironic-manager (drivers doing things)19:46
jbjohnsothe converse would be.... well, mostly things of interest to the operator19:46
devanandaexactly19:46
jbjohnsolike shine a blue light19:47
devanandaso ironic-api will expose both the set of things nova needs, and the set of things operators of baremetal need19:47
devanandaand the ironic driver within nova-compute will implement a subset of the functionality of most drivers (eg, it probably wont have resize or live-migrate)19:47
jbjohnsook, to calibrate ambitiouns, the aim to be able to do all hardware management, or just the minimum for os deployment?19:48
devanandainitially, just the minimum19:48
devanandajbjohnso: this might help: https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/README.rst#project-architecture19:48
devanandanote the second para on driver functionality19:48
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jbjohnsoin general, are api calls targetting just one instance or potentially many?19:49
devanandainitially, just one19:49
jbjohnsoe.g. can I make one request to 1,000 servers, or 1,000 requests?19:49
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devanandaorchestration should be happening at a hgher layer19:49
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devanandaprobably Heat19:49
lucasagomessorry folks I gotta go, I'll leave it open so I can read all the logs later19:49
jbjohnsoset boot device, power control, get health summary19:49
devanandaso if my Heat template says "deploy 1000 things", that'll get passed down through Nova to Ironic19:50
jbjohnsothe health summary being a strong 'maybe'19:50
jbjohnsosince before you can do health summary in an industry standard fashion, you need to have a pretty thorough grasp of the hard stuff.19:50
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jbjohnsocan have 'sensor', 'eventlog' and 'inventory' type data19:51
linggaobut 1000 things will result into 1000 calls to ironic.19:51
jbjohnsobut I could see waiting...19:51
devanandathe reason I'd like us to focus on single-node minimum-set is that19:51
linggaowill this cause performance problem?19:51
devanandaonce Ironic matches the functionality of the current baremetal driver19:51
devanandawe can stop maintaining the functionality in two code bases :)19:52
linggaolike jbjohnson said, you can reuse the ipmi session.19:52
jbjohnsoso the python implementation under the covers will be capable of a number of things under the covers, but at the high layer we can stick to this for now...19:52
devanandathat said, I think there is clearly a place for multi-node operations19:52
devanandajbjohnso: ++19:52
devanandaeventually, i'm sure we will want to expose functionality to operators that isn't directly fit within the current openstack model19:53
devanandathough, that said, there is a lot of discussion and work ongoing19:53
devanandain openstack19:53
devanandafor cross-project orchestration and scheduling19:53
devanandawhich is where all this really fits in, IMHO19:53
jbjohnsoand that might drag with it... interesting performance implications, but if all else fails just rewrite from scratch ;)19:54
devanandaeg, to say to heat might know that it wants to start 1000 nodes, but it might become smart enough to send one command to Ironic to set boot device on all of them at once.19:54
devanandaor something like that :)19:54
jbjohnsoI can't criticize people on apis, I never made a perfoect one anyway19:55
devanandaso, we're also just about out of time19:56
devanandai think we can move this conversation back to #openstack-ironic19:56
devanandathanks everyone!19:56
devanandasee you next time :)19:57
linggaothanks you devananda for all the input.19:57
NobodyCamTY devananda19:57
devananda#endmeeting19:57
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NobodyCamis there a tripleO meeting?20:01
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lifelessyup20:01
dkehnNobodyCam, I was jsut going to ask u20:01
NobodyCam:)20:01
lifelessI'm just looking up the docs ;)20:01
lifeless#startmeeting tripleo20:02
openstackMeeting started Mon May 20 20:02:17 2013 UTC.  The chair is lifeless. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tripleo'20:02
lifeless#topic bugs20:02
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lifeless#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/20:03
lifelessI think ng may have tackled bug 117811220:03
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1178112 in tripleo "baremetal kernel boot options make console inaccessible on ILO environments" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117811220:03
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devananda\o20:03
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lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1178378 was stale, devananda got it already20:04
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1178378 in tripleo "confused baremetal instance thinks its off, is clearly operational" [Critical,Fix committed]20:04
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lifelessspamaps has both https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1180239 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1180928 - marked inprogress20:06
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1180239 in tripleo "nova-common deb package is installed by nova element" [Critical,In progress]20:06
lifelessanyone know their actual status ?20:06
lifeless928 is fixed20:06
echoheadnova-common issue was fixed by SpamapS' novnc change which i saw land yesterday.20:06
echoheador a couple days ago20:07
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lifelessI'm investigating https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/118220020:08
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1182200 in tripleo "openvswitch datapath module not build/building on quantal" [Critical,Triaged]20:08
lifelesswhich breaks the GRE quantum config20:08
lifelessand I have a workaround now - yay20:09
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lifelessanyone have questions on the high bugs; what things to pick up next etc?20:09
lifelessDo we need more oversight/guidance?20:09
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* lifeless takes silence as no20:10
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lifelessok20:11
lifeless#topic grizzly rack POC20:11
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lifelesscurrent status - we have the undercloud 'there' and are working the overcloud20:11
lifelessthere are three challenges as I understand it.20:11
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lifelessfirstly we have to get a correct config of all the components20:12
lifelesswe have to fold that into the automation20:12
lifelessand we have to load/scale test it20:12
lifelessI'm currently driving through manual configuration for quantum etc in our test rack environment.20:12
lifelessSpinning out bugs as before ;>20:12
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lifelessSpamaps and ghe and ng and cody-somerville are working on the automation, fixing glitches and generally making it more correct / robust20:13
lifelessthe review queue has been awesome :)20:14
GheRivero:)20:14
lifelessI have arranged for the wonderful HPCS qa folk to run the same load-test they run internally against our POC endpoint once we're ready; we should also run tempest and cloud-cafe, but they, while good at correctness, are not so hot on scale/load.20:15
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lifelessquestions / suggestions about the POC? We've one week left to knock it out of the ballpark, to quote mordred20:15
mordredyup20:16
mordredhunch tells me the sooner we can get various people hammering the overcloud with testing things, the better20:17
lifelessright20:17
mordredotoh, I'm often wrong20:17
lifelessok, silence still..20:17
lifeless#topic open discussion20:17
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dkehncue crickets20:18
mordredwe had a discussion this morning that wandered a bit - but was around the idea of "how do we get the source code that's an input to DIB into the right places"20:18
mordredit might be nice to tie that off so that any further work in the direction has, well, direction20:18
mordredSpamaps (who seems missing) suggested perhaps an element that does the cloning to a local location that other elements can expect to consume?20:19
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mordredthat was other workflows could replace that element with a different element which puts said repos into the same locations or something20:20
lifelessso IIRC the previous review, it forced everything to one server20:20
lifelessand we're heterogenous20:20
lifelessI agree that having an controlling element sounds like a good structure20:20
mordredI think the thing is that we want to decouple getting source code to the build machien from the process of using that source code to produce the image20:20
echoheadmordred: is the primary concern to make dib pick up specific revs?20:20
lifelessperhaps a logic one + data one.20:20
mordredechohead: that is one of them20:20
mordredthe other is resilience20:20
mordredand caching20:20
lifelessreliability in the gate.20:21
mordredand - there is the issue that the gate already has an interface, and if we can attach to it, it'll be less re-engineering work20:21
mordredbut - not if that breaks our design20:21
lifelessI will say up front that we shouldn't clone stuff into the image we don't need.20:21
mordredabsolutely20:21
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echoheadshortest path seems like it would be to provide an interface for copying paths into the chroot.20:22
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lifelessso, if I were designing this now, I would do something like: have a helper API that takes a git url and returns a git url20:22
echoheadthen the elements could be tweaked to say - oh there's already code in /opt/stack/nova - i'll just use that.20:22
lifelessdefine it in the core to be the identity function20:22
lifelessdefine it in the gate to be a sed onto gerrit.20:22
mordredlifeless: sed into containing host filesystem20:22
lifelessmordred: can't do that; you're in a chroot when the code executes. Can sed it to localhost://20:23
mordredthat's the problem20:23
mordredwe've got an input blocker issue here20:23
lifelessmordred: spin up a localhost bound anon git server before calling d-i-c20:23
lifelessmordred: I don't understand20:24
mordredgreat20:24
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mordredif I grab those repos, and then set their heads to specific refspecs20:24
mordredI'm assuming that a git server exported to the image build will pick up the right rev?20:24
lifelessyes20:24
mordredgreat. sounds like a potential solution20:24
lifelesswe need to add in the git-url-map identity element and call it where we use git20:25
lifelessor even wrap git itself.20:25
lifelessthats impl details.20:25
mordredyah. it is20:25
mordredalthough I do want to bring up that when I hear "wrap git itself" I want to check in to make sure we'r enot growing a frakenstein20:25
lifelessThe main concern I had was that urls for e.g. nagios shouldn't suddenly get mangled, which the previous 'all urls are constructed from one environment variable' approach would have done.20:26
lifelessmonsters R us.20:26
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mordredwe're pulling nagios from git?20:26
lifelessmordred: *we* are not.20:26
mordred++ k20:26
mordredgotcha20:26
lifelessmordred: other deployers may. The infra needs to not mess those folk up.20:26
mordredright. which is why I'm a little concerned about "wrap git itself"20:26
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mordredbecause I don't want to make people learn a shell meta language to be able to write elements successfully20:27
mordredsince then we've re-impled chef/puppet in shell20:27
lifelessmordred: Right, though as an aside that might not be a bad thing.20:27
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echoheadwhy not just provide an interface for copying files/directories from the image-build host into the chroot?  this would be more general than a git-specific thing.20:27
mordredechohead: ++20:27
echoheadthen you could just specify 'copy these gate-cloned' repos into the chroot at this path.20:27
lifelessechohead: that might be good too, but imagine what os-install-svc would look like then ?20:28
echoheadquote fail20:28
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echoheadlifeless: if directory exists, no-op, else clone.20:28
mordredos-install-svc /opt/source/nova ?20:28
mordredor that20:28
* mordred shuts up and lets echohead talk20:29
mordredI like that - since it allows os-instal-svc to work for people who aren't pre-caching, and also allows us to pre-populate a build env in more complex setups20:29
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echoheadand that way gate-specific concerns would not not be spread through elements/git-magic - they would be cli args/ inputs to the way gate calls dib.20:30
lifelesspoint is it now knows how to do git, so then it would need to know how to evaluate in-image paths, host-machine paths, and git20:30
lifeless*and*20:30
lifelessthere are a huge raft of concerns about letting images ask for any arbitrary file from the host machine20:30
lifelessso I'm going to say 'no'.20:30
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lifelessI am certain it would end up substantially more complex.20:30
mordredwho said anything about letting images ask for arbitrary files from the host machine?20:30
echoheadthe images wouldn't ask. the person who invokes dib would specify 'put these files in the image'20:30
mordredyup20:31
lifelessok, then I'm confused, because thats what elements already do.20:31
echoheadyes, local-config does this.20:31
echoheadi'm just proposing a general interface for it.20:31
mordred"copy files into image" + if ! -d $dest ; then git clone $source $dest ; fi seems quite easy20:32
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lifelessIs there a bug tracking the gate's needs?20:32
lifelessor bugs20:32
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mordredno. but I pasted the links of the interface points in channel earlier today in a conversations about toci20:35
lifelessok20:35
lifelessso, this week is not the week for this.20:35
lifelessShallow or not, we have a deadline.20:35
lifelessPlease make a bug - include those links.20:35
mordredwell, not for the HP tripleo team - but pleia2 and dprince seemed to both be sitting in aplace where they could hack on it20:35
mordredwill do20:36
lifeless#action mordred to make a bug about gate needs20:36
lifelessmordred: I will make sure we don't block them on it.20:36
lifelessmordred: I need to poke around some of the guts of our existing scripts some more.20:36
lifelessechohead: btw when I say existing elements, what I mean is20:37
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lifeless'mkdir elements/inject; cp -a $path elements/inject/payload; echo '#!/bin/bash\ncp $(dirname)/../payload/* /' > elements/inject/pre-install.d/99-inject20:38
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lifelessok, any other business?20:40
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lifeless#endmeeting20:42
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lifelessthanks for playing20:42
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nati_uenohi!20:57
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markmcclainhi20:58
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salv-orlandoaloha20:58
rkukurahi20:58
mesterygreetings!20:58
yamahatahi20:58
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emaganahello all!20:58
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sc68calhello20:59
safchainhi20:59
beyounnhello21:00
gongyshhi21:00
amotokihi21:00
SumitNaiksatamHi All!21:00
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markvoelker2o/21:01
vbannai_Hello21:01
enikanorov_hi21:01
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markmcclainok let's get started21:01
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markmcclain#startmeeting Networking21:01
openstackMeeting started Mon May 20 21:01:53 2013 UTC.  The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking'21:01
Swamihi21:02
garykhi21:02
alexpilottihi there21:02
markmcclain#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#Bugs21:02
markmcclain#links https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings21:02
markmcclainI've moved up ML2 so we don't cut rkukura off this week21:02
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markmcclainAny changes before we get started?21:03
markmcclain#topic Announcements21:03
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arosenHi21:03
markmcclainHavana-1 will be cut next week21:03
markmcclain#link https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/havana-121:04
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markmcclainI think we're doing ok on our blueprints.21:04
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markmcclainThe one that is dragging the most is the name change, but I have not heard from legal21:04
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garykmarkmcclain: i had hoped to get the oslo db support in. thi is stuck on backward compatibility issues21:05
markmcclaingaryk: right. want to leave it in for now?21:06
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garykmarkmcclain: at the moment we are waiting for oslo updates21:06
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markmcclainsorry.. I forgot about those21:07
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markmcclainI'll be reaching out to blueprint owners later this week for any that are not in review by Thursday.21:09
markmcclainThe other announcement is that we will be meeting next week.21:09
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markmcclainI know it is a holiday in the US, so update your portion of the agenda if you can't make the meeting21:10
markmcclain#topic bugs21:10
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garykmaybe we should do a bug fix day(s)21:10
mestery+1 for bug fix day21:10
salv-orlandomarkmcclain: I think next week you'll see how nice are midnight meetings ;)21:10
garyk:)21:11
markmcclainhaha…with the virus I've been trying to shake..I kind of feel like I'm in one now21:11
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markmcclainCurrently we're not tracking any high or critical bugs that have been filed in the last week.21:12
gongyshwhat virus? h1n9?21:12
gongyshsorry for that.21:12
roaetAnd hello all. I'm new around here, hoping to dive deeper into quantum land. Just lurking for now.21:12
markmcclaingongysh: one of those random viruses you get from kids.. always worse on adults21:13
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markmcclainroaet: welcome21:13
markmcclainAny bugs the team needs to know about?21:13
markmcclainLet's dive into sub team reports21:14
markmcclain#topic API21:14
salv-orlandohello21:14
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salv-orlandoblueprints:21:14
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salv-orlandohttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/l3-ext-gw-modes on track21:14
salv-orlandomight use another core reviewer (beyond amotoki)21:14
markmcclainI can review it21:15
salv-orlandothanks21:15
gongyshtoday is my review day.21:15
salv-orlandohttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-l3-routing-plugin21:15
salv-orlandopatch resumed and updated. I will review it. Not sure if we have another core.21:15
salv-orlandohttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/l3-router-port-relationship21:16
gongyshthat patch is too big https://review.openstack.org/#/c/20693/21:16
salv-orlandois the patch for this on, going to be restored soon?21:16
gongyshwe should definitely divide it.21:16
salv-orlandogongysh: agreed, point that on review21:16
mesterygongysh: I will let Bob know.21:16
gongyshok21:16
mesteryHe couldn't make the meeting21:16
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mesteryThere is a devstack patch for that as well, FYI.21:17
salv-orlandomarkmcclain: any comment on l3-router-port-relationship21:17
salv-orlandoasking just because you're the owner21:17
markmcclainI handed testing off to others on our dev staff and was out on Friday and today… let me follow with them21:18
salv-orlandook, thanks21:18
salv-orlandofinally, the last patch expected for H-1 for bp/make-authz-orthogonal merged21:18
salv-orlandorest will come in H-221:18
salv-orlandoI also have a question about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/configurable-ip-allocation21:18
salv-orlandoThis is not API, but has implications, and it's not in IPAM agenda21:18
salv-orlandoare we still targeting H-1?21:19
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markmcclainmy guess is it will slide to early H221:19
yamahatait would a bit difficult to complete the review for H-1, I'm afraid.21:20
gongyshdanwent still has  -2 on it21:20
salv-orlandothanks. So perhaps we can untarget it.21:20
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markmcclainsalv-orlando: I'll remove it21:20
salv-orlandoAnd with this our weekly report from the API world is done.21:20
salv-orlandoThanks everybody,21:20
salv-orlandoPS: Questions?21:20
markmcclainThanks for the update21:21
markmcclain#topic VPNaaS21:21
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nati_uenoFirst WIP code in the review ( we will continue discussion on the code)21:21
nati_uenoQuantum Advanced Service Plugin for VPNaas https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29812/21:21
nati_uenoQuantum Advanced Service Plugin for VPNaas https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29812/21:21
nati_uenosorry typo21:21
nati_uenoQuantum Client for VPNaaS https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29811/21:21
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nati_uenodiscussed with driver archtecutre https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1uoYMl2fAEHTpogAe27xtGpPcbhm7Y3tlHIw_G1Dy5aQ/edit21:22
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nati_uenoStill minor discussion on the API parameters.21:22
nati_uenoalso investigating how to use strongswan. (openswan is new candidate now)21:22
nati_uenoThat's all from me21:22
markmcclainVPN is running ahead of schedule21:23
markmcclainsince most of these are marked H221:23
nati_uenoYes code will be targeted for early H2. The review is for discussion :)21:24
markmcclainright.. just nice to see things running early :)21:24
nati_uenoyeah :) Thanks for team21:24
markmcclainno meeting just week any discussions will be on the mailing list correct?21:25
markmcclain*VPNaaS Meeting21:25
nati_uenoyes. mailing list or on the patch.21:25
markmcclain#topic Nova Integration21:25
nati_uenoif it is needed, we will plan21:25
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markmcclainnati_ueno: good to know21:25
markmcclaingaryk: hi21:26
garyksorry, was not paying attention21:26
garykhave not made any progress here. sorry21:27
garykhave been trying to invetigate the bugs with the multiple ip addresses being assigned. no reproduction at the moment21:27
markmcclainok21:27
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markmcclainI think others have tried to replicate too21:28
garykregarding the migrations nova => quantum have run into some issues with the live migrations. need to work a little more on this too21:28
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garykthats about all.21:28
gongyshgaryk: what is the problem?21:28
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garykgongysh: we need to to doa  migration from a linux bridge to a ovs. when i tried it failed.21:29
garykhopefully next week i can provide some more details21:30
gongyshgaryk: we will talk after u wake up in the morning. thanks21:30
garykok21:30
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markmcclainI noticed this update was revived: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/111291221:30
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1112912 in quantum "get_firewall_required should use VIF parameter from quantum" [High,In progress]21:30
garykyes, nachi aded in a patch for this which is in review21:31
nati_uenoyes i rebased it21:31
garykquantum - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21946/21:31
garyki think that there is also a nova patch required too (not sure if this has been addressed)21:31
amotokiThis needs a counterpart patch n nova. It is good to go to H-2.21:31
nati_uenoyes nova side is needed. OK let's fix both of that on the early H221:32
markmcclainok.. I'll retarget to H221:32
markmcclainAny other Nova related items?21:33
garyknot that i am aware of21:33
gongyshmine one21:33
garykhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/29767/21:34
garykpassing of the host to quantum21:34
gongyshthanks for it, I am look for the url.21:34
garyki a tired but can still copy/paste :)21:34
gongyshyou are faster than me even you are in half sleeping state.21:35
rkukuragaryk: isn't there another patch for the same thing?21:35
garykrkukura: i think that the other patch was abandoned. this one is more elegant21:35
rkukurahttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/21141/ was it - OK21:35
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markmcclainrkukura: looks like gongysh supersedes it21:36
markmcclain#topic Security Groups/Firewally21:36
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markmcclain#topic Security Groups/Firewalling21:37
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arosenHi, nothing really new to report on the security profile side.21:37
arosenThe one bug we had on it merged early last week21:37
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markmcclainok21:37
markmcclainSumitNaiksatam: How21:37
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SumitNaiksatamhi21:38
markmcclain's FWaaS progressing?21:38
SumitNaiksatamyeah making progress: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29004/321:38
SumitNaiksatamhave unit tests going through, but still need to add more21:38
markmcclainthis is marked as WIP21:38
markmcclainhow comfortable do you feel about making next Tuesday21:38
SumitNaiksatamyeah, i will remove that once i add a few more tests21:38
SumitNaiksatamfor now we can leave this targeted the way it is21:39
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markmcclainhow far off are we on a ref implementation?21:39
SumitNaiksatamwe don't have that targeted for H1, but discussion is progressing (with some code experiments)21:40
SumitNaiksatamI think RajeshMohan is here21:40
SumitNaiksatam?21:40
RajeshMohan Yes, i am here today21:40
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: you want to give a short updated on the discussion around the iptables implementation?21:41
RajeshMohanI mapped the APIs to IPTables rules and was looking for a good place to apply them21:41
RajeshMohanWe plan to apply it on internal interface of quantum router21:41
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markmcclainseems like a natural place21:42
RajeshMohanWe are experimenting with IPSet but that is a strech goal at this stage21:42
markmcclainok21:42
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SumitNaiksatamstretch goal for the first iteration, but should be there eventually21:42
RajeshMohanI am also experimenting with Shorewall but most probably we will not do that21:42
RajeshMohanWe will go there if we expose zones21:43
markmcclainok21:43
markmcclainThe reason I was asking about the ref implementation is that we had talked at the summit about having a ref implementation before merging the API21:43
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: thats correct21:43
RajeshMohanI am working closely with Sumit21:43
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SumitNaiksatamwe structured the blueprint dates such that the ref impl will be available after the API work is complete21:44
SumitNaiksatamno easy way to do the ref impl without the API21:44
markmcclaincorrect.. I'm just going to move the release target since the code itself won't merge until H221:44
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: if it helps we can target the API to H2, so that the ref impl is also available along with it21:44
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: you read my mind :-)21:44
gduanThis is Gary from vArmour21:44
SumitNaiksatamthe review is already there, so we can keep discussing21:45
gduanWe just created a blueprint21:45
SumitNaiksatamgduan: thanks for joining and welcome to the quantum team21:45
gduantry to integrate our firewall with fwaas21:45
SumitNaiksatamgood to see your blueprint for the fw driver21:45
markmcclainSumitNaiksatam: yep we definitely should review21:45
markmcclaingduan: welcome21:45
gduanalso working with Sumit on the API21:45
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markmcclainAny questions before we move onto LBaaS?21:46
markmcclain#topic LBaaS21:46
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enikanorov_hi21:46
enikanorov_there's couple of things going on here.21:46
markmcclainI was out at the end of last week, so I was not able to follow up on my two action items from the LBaaS meeting21:46
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enikanorov_ok. would you have time to look at them this week?21:47
markmcclainyes21:48
enikanorov_ok. so, it's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28245/21:48
enikanorov_I'm working closely with Avishay on this one21:48
markmcclainGood21:48
enikanorov_markmcclain: that one needs your attention https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28289/21:49
markmcclainRight.. I have both flagged for review21:49
enikanorov_Avishay suggested to remove driver selection part. Actually I don't see much value in removing what works, but I can add driver selection later21:49
enikanorov_ok, thanks.21:49
markmcclainWe can coordinate via email21:49
markmcclain#topic ML221:50
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markmcclainrkukura: hi21:50
rkukuraI've been getting some comments on the WIP patches, nothing too major21:50
rkukuraPlan to post updated quantum and devstack patches this evening or tomorrow21:50
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rkukurathis will work with linuxbridge and openvswitch agents21:51
markmcclainwill you be removing the WIP tag too?21:51
rkukurathis should be the last WIP version21:51
markmcclainok21:51
rkukurastill need DB migrations, more unit tests, and maybe GRE support21:51
gongyshafter that, can we make the original plugins deprecated?21:52
rkukuraconsidering deferring the GRE support to H-2 due to the changes in the partial-mesh patch21:52
markmcclainmigrations are a must for the patch to land, but I think delaying GRE to H2 is ok21:52
rkukuraI think we need full parity before we can deprecate21:52
rkukuraNote that this isn't migration from ovs or lb plugins to ml221:52
markmcclainseems like something we can do in a patch and then make OVS and LB plugins deprecated21:52
markmcclainright.. it's the migration to create the underlying tables21:53
rkukuramain goal is to get new development onto ml221:53
markmcclainright21:53
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emaganarkukura: quick question, do you plan to include any other plugin into ML2? which one?21:53
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rkukurainitial version focuses on RPC agent support - linuxbrige, openvswitch, and hyperv should work21:54
mesteryrkukura: We are looking to port our Nexus plugin into ML2, would like to have this done for H2 if possible. Will syncup over email.21:54
rkukuragetting mellonox to work shouldn't be too much work either21:54
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rkukuraok, that should be one of the first uses for MechanismDrivers21:55
gongyshI think all plugin should move to Ml2.21:55
rkukurawhich should get in early H-221:55
nati_ueno+121:55
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gongyshthat is our big picture, isn't it?21:55
emaganarkukura: Thanks!21:55
rkukuraI'm not sure how far we'll get during havana, and monolithic plugins are still possible21:56
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markmcclainyeah.. as a first step consolidating the open source versions is a win21:56
markmcclainAny thing else on ML2?21:56
rkukuraon track for H-1 for first step21:57
markmcclaincool21:57
markmcclain#topic python client21:57
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gongyshhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-quantumclient,n,z21:57
markmcclainWanted to ask about this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29157/21:57
gongyshI will help with it today.21:57
markmcclainI know several folks have independently run into issues on adminURL vs publicURL21:58
gongyshwhy?21:58
gongyshisn't adminURL there?21:58
arosengongysh:  by default it's using adminURL and they want it to use publicURL21:58
markmcclaindifference deployments will specify the values differently21:58
arosennova uses publicURL by default which is my understanding.21:58
gongyshyes.21:59
arosenhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/29157/21:59
gongyshso we need that patch.21:59
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arosengongysh:  looks like that is addressed here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29831/21:59
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gongyshthere are patches dependency22:01
gongyshneed more review on python quantum client.22:01
markmcclainright22:01
gongyshthat's all from me.22:01
markmcclaingongysh: thanks22:02
amotokithe last one changes the default value. Do we change the default?22:02
markmcclainamotoki: changing to publicURL would be consistent with Nova's behaviour22:02
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gongyshI think we can.22:02
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amotokimarkmcclain: gongysh: sounds good.22:03
markmcclain#topic Horizon22:03
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amotokiI picked up the registered blueprints related to Networking. The list is available on Wiki.22:03
amotokiThanks for volunteers for key netwokring features (FWaaS and VPNaaS) :-)22:03
markmcclainThanks for adding the list22:03
amotokii will access the owner of BPs after H-1.22:04
markmcclainyeah it's cool we've had folks setup to volunteer22:04
markmcclaindo we still need a volunteer for the Quote BP?22:04
gongyshcheer for new volunteers.22:04
gongyshQuote BP?22:05
amotokiquota bp22:05
markmcclainSorry Quota22:05
amotokiquota bp is already assigned, but i don't know the status. I will ask the assignee.22:05
markmcclainok22:05
markmcclainI'm excited for the new networking features that are being added to Horizon22:06
amotokio/22:06
amotokithat's all from me.22:06
markmcclainThanks for the update22:06
gongyshso it is natural for quantum to replace nova-network since quantum is everywhere.22:06
markmcclaingongysh: right :)22:06
markmcclain#topic Open Discussion22:07
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markmcclainXen reviews have been stagnating22:07
gongyshIPv6 meeting?22:07
gongyshmultihost?22:07
markmcclaingongysh: need to schedule a meeting for v622:07
markmcclainI'll contact the v6 folks via email and ML22:08
gongyshhave we scheduled?22:08
gongyshok, thanks.22:08
gongyshhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/24771/22:08
gongyshmarkmcclain: -2 from u22:08
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markmcclainright.. sorry that should have been removed after you added tests22:09
garyki am sorry but i am going to have to call it a day (night). good night22:09
markmcclaingaryk: night22:09
gongyshgaryk: night22:09
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markmcclainAny other items for open discussion?22:10
enikanorov_yep22:10
enikanorov_a minor one22:10
enikanorov_have this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29155/22:10
enikanorov_i thought folks working on service plugins may consider this approach22:10
enikanorov_Nachi, Sumit22:10
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov_: hi22:10
enikanorov_hi!22:11
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov_: i saw that, my current implementation has the inheritance approach22:11
nati_uenoenikanorov_: I'll comment this for VPN patch22:11
SumitNaiksatambut not set in stone22:11
enikanorov_inheritance could be ok if the plugin is doing db-only22:12
enikanorov_if it communicates via drivers/agents then you might want to mock db stuff anch test that22:12
nati_uenoenikanorov_: could you also review vpn one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29812/ ?22:12
enikanorov_thet's where composition helps22:12
enikanorov_nati_ueno: I will22:12
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SumitNaiksatamenikanorov_: thats a good point22:12
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov_: will take a look22:13
markmcclainwe're over time, so everyone should make sure to comment on the reviews22:13
dkehnhas anyone bumped into this yet http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-May/009276.html, ran into it this morning https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29280/22:13
tomoe_hi markmcclain: we'd like to get this in for H1. https://bugs.launchpad.net/quantum/+bug/113321522:14
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1133215 in quantum "MidoNet test fails when new test is added in DBMixins " [Medium,In progress]22:14
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HenryGdkehn: yes, multiple times22:14
dkehnHenryG, just keep submitting your patch unitl it works or??22:15
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emaganatomoe_: I am helping on the review22:15
emaganaping me averytime you have a new patch22:15
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tomoe_thanks emagana22:15
markmcclaintomoe_: I'll take a look too22:15
tomoe_it's been floating around and the patch is ready.22:15
HenryGdkehn: yup, but sdague helped me on #openstack-qa to root-cause22:15
tomoe_so it'd be nice if we could get that out.22:16
tomoe_thanks markmcclain !22:16
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markmcclaindkehn: I haven't seen that in awhile22:16
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markmcclainRemember we will meet next week for those who can make it.22:17
markmcclain#endmeeting22:17
dkehnmarkmcclain, I'll try again and see if it persists, after a rebase, fingers crossed22:17
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markmcclaindkehn: sounds good22:17
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sdaguedkehn: if you are hitting that, can you get on the ML thread about it as well22:18
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sdagueit would be good to point at multiple instances of it to get eyes on it22:18
dkehnsdague, k22:18
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salv-orlandoadieu folks22:20
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amotokigood day!22:21
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nati_uenobye!22:21
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enikanorov_bye22:22
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