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| jgriffith | #start meeting cinder | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 20 16:01:43 2013 UTC. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:01 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:01 |
| eharney | hi | 16:01 |
| xyang_ | hi | 16:02 |
| jgallard | hi | 16:02 |
| JM1 | hi | 16:02 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:02 |
| rushiagr | hi! | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | wow... full house this am | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | alright, I suspect a busy meeting so let's get at it | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | #topic Shared Storage service updates | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Shared Storage service updates (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:02 | |
| jgriffith | bswartz: You're up | 16:02 |
| bswartz | Okay, all of the code has been in review for the last several days | 16:03 |
| bswartz | there is one piece not in though -- the LVM drivers | 16:03 |
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| bswartz | there were some changes requested during the initial review last week | 16:03 |
| bswartz | and we won't be able to complete those (with unit test coverage) by today | 16:03 |
| bswartz | so we're asking that the new service be accepted with NetApp drivers only, and that the LVM drivers be granted an extension until next week | 16:04 |
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| bswartz | comments? | 16:04 |
| dachary | hi | 16:04 |
| kmartin | I think that would be acceptable | 16:05 |
| bswartz | I want to emphasize that complete LVM drivers were part of the original submission, and the changes being done are to respond to feedback | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | anyone else have any input here? | 16:06 |
| kmartin | I believe OpenStack has an exception process, if the core members are okay with it | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: yes however I have some info around that | 16:06 |
| winston-d_ | so what drivers can be used as Share back-end, beside NetApp and LVM? | 16:06 |
| bswartz | those are the only ones that exist today | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: actually NetApp is the only one that exists | 16:07 |
| bswartz | we hope other vendors with NAS-capable storage backends will write sharded storage drivers too | 16:07 |
| bswartz | shared* | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: It doesn't seem you've received much support on this so far | 16:07 |
| winston-d_ | do other vendors plan to do so? | 16:07 |
| winston-d_ | JM1: ? | 16:08 |
| winston-d_ | xyang_: ? | 16:08 |
| xyang_ | winston-d: we are thinking about it too | 16:08 |
| bswartz | I have not heard from any other vendors yet -- we have been focused on the getting the design implemented | 16:08 |
| bswartz | the push for drivers will come next | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | who's going to make that push? | 16:08 |
| bswartz | we will | 16:08 |
| JM1 | sorry I didn't follow the shared storage discussion | 16:08 |
| bswartz | NetApp plans to be very involved in the ongoing maintenance of the cinder-share stuff | 16:09 |
| JM1 | not sure this fits with our current model, but I need to check | 16:09 |
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| thingee | bswartz: just curious, but if you haven't been communicating with other vendors, is the design pretty general for others to come in? | 16:09 |
| rushiagr | JM1: and everybody else: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21290/ | 16:09 |
| DuncanT1 | I'm also wondering how much the design will need to change to accommodate other vendors? | 16:09 |
| bswartz | yes, the design is very generic -- similar to how generic the blocks interface is | 16:09 |
| JM1 | rushiagr: ah ok, that's what it's about | 16:09 |
| bswartz | rushiagr: thx | 16:10 |
| JM1 | so yes, it would make much sense for us to integrate here, but honestly I never quite understood the use case for this | 16:10 |
| DuncanT1 | What about the actual plumbing and making it work - network security and the likes? I'm still worried that I've seen no designs for that side | 16:10 |
| bswartz | eharney: you asked for the changes to the CIFS LVM driver -- do you have any feelings about delivering it after the G3 deadline? | 16:10 |
| winston-d_ | JM1: yes, that's my feeling 'don't understand the use case' too | 16:10 |
| thingee | bswartz: I do apologize on my part, but I'm a bit behind on the review. I'd say 1/3 way done. rushiagr, would you be available today in case I have comments on the review? | 16:11 |
| bswartz | DuncanT1: those are things we will address in Havana, there are still many use cases enabled by the existing code | 16:11 |
| rushiagr | thingee: sure | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: so the way I see it then it's not ready until Havana | 16:11 |
| eharney | bswartz: i don't really have much of an opinion on that | 16:11 |
| DuncanT1 | jgriffith: +1 | 16:11 |
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| bswartz | jgriffith: for every use case that doesn't invovle VLANs, there is no network plumbing required | 16:11 |
| eharney | I will say that i also find myself not really understanding the use cases and intent of this service in general | 16:12 |
| guitarzan | is this a dumb question: nova integration? | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: nope, not at all | 16:12 |
| bswartz | guitarzan: there's not a lot to be done with nova -- with NAS, the instances can talk directly to the storage backend over CIFS/NFS | 16:12 |
| DuncanT1 | bswartz: I don't think there are many 'real' installations that have VMs and infrastructure networks as a flat, un-protected space? | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: which brings me back to the question of why they need a service then? | 16:13 |
| kmartin | bswartz: FWIW, we announce the plans for fibre channel support at the Folsom summit and rallied interested compaines(5 to 6) and have been meeting with them weekly ever since for a common solution that will meet everyone needs | 16:13 |
| bswartz | DuncanT1: in public clouds no, but in private clouds yes | 16:13 |
| guitarzan | bswartz: interesting... we don't allow guests access to our storage network directly | 16:13 |
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| DuncanT1 | bswartz: I suspect any such design is fragile at best. All of the packaged private clouds I've seen (which is far from all of them) use network isolation | 16:14 |
| dachary | as a cinder user I would be frustrated to see a feature in grizzly that is only available with a proprietary technology and no free software alternative. | 16:14 |
| bswartz | dachary: I agree -- I would not advocate putting in the changes with no plans to also include LVM drivers | 16:14 |
| winston-d_ | bswartz: does any other cloud infrastructure software (such VMWare vCloud, CloudStack) provide NAS service? | 16:15 |
| bswartz | an alternative proposal would be, grant an extension on the whole change, waiting until the LVM driver are included | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | keep in mind there's an entire service you're proposing goes in to Grizzly that will have ZERO testing | 16:15 |
| bswartz | winston-d_: I'm not aware of any, this is an opportunity to put OpenStack ahead of the rest | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | No gate tests, no tempest tests, no devstack tests etc | 16:16 |
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| DuncanT1 | I'd really like to see something, even a beer mat design, for how this can be made to work with segregated networks without major rework... | 16:16 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: those are things we want to work on -- it's hard to put those in before there is something to test | 16:16 |
| winston-d_ | bswartz: ok. thx for the info. i'm interested to learn the real use cases in either public/private cloud. I know NAS is very useful but don't know how it is(will) be used in cloud. | 16:17 |
| kmartin | It would have to have some type of test to be accepted | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: understood, but I suspect the TC would kick my butt if I dropped an entire service with zero integration into the openstack ecosystem | 16:17 |
| thingee | jgriffith: +1 | 16:18 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: what I dont' want to do is to try to introduce everything with a big bang -- big bang changes never happen | 16:18 |
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| thingee | bswartz: for any other change I would be fine to make an exception, but this is a pretty big change. | 16:18 |
| bswartz | there has to be an incremental approach to actually build software | 16:18 |
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| kmartin | jgriffith: Have you ran it by the TC yet? | 16:18 |
| guitarzan | as a side note, we are already quite interested in shared storage, if we can make it work :) | 16:18 |
| DuncanT1 | But we can be incremental over the 6 months of a release far more smoothly than we can between releases... People expect releases to be fairly complete | 16:19 |
| bswartz | I believe that laying the foundation for new APIs and reference impls are the right first step | 16:19 |
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| DuncanT1 | i.e. merge what is there on day one of H rather than the last day of G | 16:19 |
| kmartin | bswartz: agree, but they should incremental approach needs to include test at the beginning | 16:19 |
| dachary | DuncanT1: +1 | 16:20 |
| kmartin | DuncanT1: +1 | 16:20 |
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| winston-d_ | i think some of use are concerned about the reference impls are a proprietary back-end. | 16:20 |
| jgallard | DuncanT1: +1 | 16:20 |
| bswartz | DuncanT1: The beginning is obviously better than the end. We did have a complete submission at the beginning of Grizzly, and it unfortunately has taken us this long to refactor the code to address the concerns of the core team | 16:20 |
| bswartz | how about if we update our submission with the NFS based LVM driver today? The CIFS LVM driver still needs more time. | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | Alright, we're at 20+ minuts on this topic | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | I'm going to say it's not ready | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | and I'm still not even convinced of the use case/need for it anyway | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | but there's way too much risk here | 16:22 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: will you grant an extension until next week and reconsider? | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I don't have that power | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: FFE's come from the TC (ie Thierry) and I can assure you the answer would be no given the facts here | 16:23 |
| bswartz | so this means we'll be stuck until Havana opens up? | 16:23 |
| ttx | until RC1 is out, yes | 16:24 |
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| bswartz | I have to say I'm disappointed, but I won't argue it any further | 16:24 |
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| bswartz | I respect the will of the community | 16:24 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: bswartz we can have the NFS part in atleast, so that people can have a look and comment. Maybe we can disable this service for now, but let the code in with a warning? | 16:24 |
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| winston-d_ | rushiagr: disable how? | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: Nah, I think that's a sneaky way to get your code in unoficially :) | 16:26 |
| thingee | rushiagr: I don't understand the point if it's incomplete for it to be in a major stable release. | 16:26 |
| rushiagr | winston-d_: I mean, not have it running by default | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | Ok, we really should move on. | 16:26 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: okay.. | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | #topic G3 status | 16:27 |
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| thingee | bswartz: can we talk after the meeting? | 16:27 |
| winston-d_ | rushiagr: that (what service is being run) 's really not controlled by the code itself unless you remove the bin/cinder-share? that sounds very odd to me. | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | So it looks like were' in ok shape, everythin is in the review process | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | remember the gates take a long time now, so please don't delay/hesitate on reviews and turn arounds | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT1: any update for backups? | 16:28 |
| bswartz | thingee: yes i have another hour after this | 16:28 |
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| DuncanT1 | jgriffith: We're just fighting unit tests after rebasing against the multi-backend stuff... hopefully a few hours off | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT1: alright | 16:29 |
| smulcahy | We pushed another patch earlier today, it should have addressed most of the comments | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | smulcahy: yeah, I saw that but it fails unit tests | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | thanks to the oslo dump as DuncanT1 mentioned | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | thingee: any ideas on the V2 client switch? | 16:30 |
| DuncanT1 | Head of tree fails unit tests if you run them certain ways that always used to work, which is slowing me down quite a bit | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT1: Yeah, I'm getting to that | 16:30 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I'll need to recheck and make sure something is just not failing at gate | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | thingee: looking last night it seems it's a bonified failure | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | thingee: again, I think we're being bit by the new config/versioning common changes here | 16:31 |
| xyang_ | jgriffith: is TearDown still called for unit test? doesn't seem to be called any more | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: TBH they've completely jacked everything up so bad I don't even know what it's doing or not doing anymore | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: Is that why the xml file was left behind for you all of a sudden you expect? | 16:32 |
| xyang_ | jgriffith: yes | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: makes sense | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: considering I wsn't seeing that before | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: note I logged a couple of bugs for you if you could take care of those it would be great | 16:33 |
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| xyang_ | jgriffith: yes, working on them | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: the temp file we should be using tempdir or cleaning up manually anyway but it is peculiar | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: thanks | 16:33 |
| xyang_ | jgriffith: can I just use "/tmp" as path | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | eharney: Looks like you turned the LIO changes around, I'll look at them shortly | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: You can, but checkout using the tempdir module | 16:34 |
| xyang_ | jgriffith: sure | 16:34 |
| eharney | jgriffith: yep just had to rebase a little | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: :) | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | a lot of rebasing going on :) | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | I think those are the big issues... | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | Everybody that can we just need to keep on top of reviews and keep things moving | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | Please help out if you can | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | #topic questions/issues | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | Yes, unit tests are borked in local env's, I'll try and figure that out and update everyone | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | Anybody else have anything? | 16:37 |
| DuncanT1 | :-) | 16:37 |
| jgallard | I would like to make some integration tests for the multibackend feature with tempest | 16:38 |
| jgallard | I didn't find such a tests | 16:38 |
| jgallard | what do you think about that ? | 16:38 |
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| jgallard | it's a good area to explore ? | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | jgallard: I love the idea! | 16:38 |
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| jgallard | great ! :) | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | jgallard: So we'll need to modify devstack as well of course | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | jgallard: if you need pointers on how all that works and where it lives lemme know | 16:39 |
| jgallard | Yes I think so | 16:39 |
| DuncanT1 | We will have a look at some boackup tests for tempest too | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | jgallard: although today won't be a good day for that :) | 16:39 |
| kmartin | I had an action last week to populate the list of volume stats, I placed them on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder wiki, I think I documented it correctly but would like someone to look at them | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT1: yes please :) | 16:39 |
| jgallard | jgriffith: ok ! thanks a lot ;-) | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: nice | 16:40 |
| JM1 | kmartin: the 'storage_protocol' looks very vague to me | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | JM1: that's kind of intentional :) | 16:40 |
| JM1 | and I still wonder how/if it is used | 16:40 |
| JM1 | I see it as an implementation detail of the driver, but you may enlighten me | 16:41 |
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| kmartin | I could add a note about it matching the driver volume type? | 16:41 |
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| winston-d_ | let's discuss what capabilities/stats to report for drivers in coming summit. | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d_: +1 | 16:41 |
| kmartin | winston-d_: +1 | 16:42 |
| thingee | winston-d_: +1 | 16:42 |
| xyang_ | winston-d_: +1 | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | JM1: This is something that we plan to formalize | 16:42 |
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| JM1 | no plan to attend the summit on my side, but I will read your notes on this ;) | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | JM1: right now it's kinda "loose" based on some needs we had | 16:42 |
| kmartin | I think most drivers have volume stats now so people could look at them for an exanmple | 16:42 |
| JM1 | jgriffith: ok, and I suppose the needs aren't clear yet | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | JM1: :) | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | JM1: some are, some aren't | 16:43 |
| JM1 | ok, that's fine with me | 16:43 |
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| JM1 | until then we can have placeholders and improve as needed | 16:43 |
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| winston-d_ | JM1: did you read this? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-driver-modification-for-filterscheduler | 16:44 |
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| JM1 | winston-d_: nope, didn't know about it, thanks for the pointer | 16:44 |
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| winston-d_ | and finally, i have a doc about filter scheduler. | 16:44 |
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| winston-d_ | don't know how to share to you all except explicitly add each one of you into google doc's share. | 16:45 |
| xyang_ | winston-d_: that looks great. thanks! | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | winston-d_: make it viewable by anyone with link | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | and post the link | 16:45 |
| winston-d_ | jgriffith: sure. let me try to find the | 16:47 |
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| JM1 | winston-d_: interesting, we don't fit in any of the proposed "protocols" | 16:47 |
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| jgriffith | JM1: what protocol do you use? | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | JM1: sorry.. not sure of your affiliation/device | 16:48 |
| winston-d_ | all, here's the doc for filter scheduler: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fDXaBD9B7D6A_5RCitJ8mMTPv9nliHKNex8K8-WhYlQ/edit?usp=sharing | 16:48 |
| xyang_ | winston-d_: can you also explain how multiple volume driver uses volume_type in your doc? | 16:48 |
| JM1 | jgriffith: we provide a FUSE filesystem, which talks to our servers with our own proprietary protocol | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | Oh... yes, now I know your patch :) | 16:49 |
| winston-d_ | xyang_: check out my filter scheduler doc i just posted. | 16:49 |
| xyang_ | xyang_: sure | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | JM1: Ceph would be the closest in terms of protocol I believe | 16:49 |
| JM1 | jgriffith: we will provide NFS in a release this year, but it's not there yet | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | JM1: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/22400/1/cinder/volume/drivers/rbd.py | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | JM1: sure | 16:50 |
| JM1 | well, Ceph is different in many ways | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | JM1: yes understood | 16:50 |
| JM1 | and even if we were close, but slightly different | 16:50 |
| JM1 | I don't see how useful to the scheduler this information could be | 16:50 |
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| winston-d_ | please do give me feedback on anything you find unclear/badly written/typo anything. | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | JM1: What I'm saying is as far as the "storage_protocol" just do as Ceph did and put your own custom entry for now | 16:50 |
| JM1 | jgriffith: ah yes, sure | 16:51 |
| avishay | Hi all, I'm very late :) | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | JM1: Yes, you made that clear to me the other day when you said our architecture was shit | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:51 |
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| JM1 | did I say this? | 16:51 |
| JM1 | I try to say things softer usually :) | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | haha | 16:51 |
| JM1 | (even when I mean it like that) | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | alrighty... anybody have anything else pressing? | 16:52 |
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| * DuncanT1 is intrigued to hear all of that rant some time | 16:52 | |
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| JM1 | jgriffith: I will have a process question related to my nova patch | 16:53 |
| JM1 | but that may be off topic here | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | Sure, hit me up later | 16:53 |
| JM1 | great | 16:53 |
| winston-d_ | let me know if there is any more use case around filter scheduler or scheduling you would like to see in the document. | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | Ok... everyone thank you very much. | 16:53 |
| DuncanT1 | Thanks John | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | Off to figure out how to fix the unit test debacle. | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | I'll be around if anybody needs anything or wants to help with stuff :) | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 16:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 20 16:54:11 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-02-20-16.01.html | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-02-20-16.01.txt | 16:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-02-20-16.01.log.html | 16:54 |
| JM1 | thanks john! | 16:54 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I just worked out why my calender was making noises at me | 17:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | hello wall | 17:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | all | 17:03 |
| BobBall | Morning/Afternoon | 17:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 17:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 20 17:04:06 2013 UTC. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 17:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic agenda | 17:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/XenAPI | 17:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | the wiki upgrade changed the link | 17:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more things people wanted to add? | 17:04 |
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| BobBall | There are a couple of things we can talk about in AOB but nothing to the agenda | 17:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | Ok, cool, just want to make sure we leave time for them | 17:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic blueprints | 17:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well its the last day, I don't see anything pending, except the OVS quantum related stuff | 17:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/15022/ | 17:06 |
| BobBall | We do have one more thing that we're trying to get in | 17:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | what is that? | 17:06 |
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| BobBall | a bug fix from Mate - he's just joining | 17:06 |
| matelakat | Hi | 17:06 |
| BobBall | Mate - was just saying that there's one more thing we're trying to get in grizzly-3 | 17:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | Ok, well that will have to wait till tomorrow probably | 17:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | critial features only today I think they said | 17:07 |
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| BobBall | It's very close to being ready for review - hopefully will be pushed today. | 17:07 |
| matelakat | it'll be fine, I have a bug filed. | 17:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool | 17:08 |
| matelakat | It's the generic case of copy images to volume. | 17:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic docs | 17:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | now we are past feature freeze I gues it is docs time | 17:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | you might want to join in with other Xen people | 17:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_Document_Days | 17:09 |
| matelakat | Who wants to do what? | 17:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | well each do your own feature first seems like a good way forward? | 17:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | then see where we are later? | 17:09 |
| matelakat | Okay, I am planning to deal with the XenAPINFS Stuff. | 17:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | does anyone fancy doing a full pass of the docs to see what we are missing | 17:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 17:10 |
| matelakat | Does the other features require docs? | 17:10 |
| matelakat | configdrive? | 17:10 |
| BobBall | We're planning to start looking at docs v.soon, yes - but unfortunately can't make the Xen document day | 17:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action matelakat to ensure docs are done for XenAPINFS | 17:10 |
| BobBall | Both Mate and myself are involved in a long meeting on Monday | 17:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 17:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | matelakat: i think just need to add it works on XenAPI , and document (find) any limitations | 17:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I can ping michael still and see if it is complete | 17:12 |
| matelakat | I would like to try out that configdrive at some point. | 17:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 17:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK any more for any more? | 17:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | install guides are a big missing bit | 17:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | and testing them, of course | 17:13 |
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| BobBall | Installing what sort of setup are you thinking of? | 17:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | these ones: #link http://docs.openstack.org/install/ | 17:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | they don't cover XenAPI | 17:14 |
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| matelakat | We have a proper lab setup here | 17:14 |
| BobBall | got it | 17:14 |
| matelakat | And hopefully we could amend the docs while trying them out. | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds good | 17:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | ping me on IRC if I can help | 17:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | with questions | 17:15 |
| matelakat | :-) | 17:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so open discussion time | 17:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic OpenDiscussion | 17:16 |
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| BobBall | Me first! | 17:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 17:16 |
| BobBall | I'd like your input john on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/22441/ | 17:16 |
| BobBall | Tried to add you as a reviewer, but gerrit doesn't like your email any more | 17:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | sure, you can just add my name, and I should help out | 17:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah | 17:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hmm | 17:17 |
| BobBall | I've tried a few times but it keeps rejecting you saying your email is invalid :D | 17:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | it doesn't like me adding myself either | 17:17 |
| BobBall | even though it auto completed it! | 17:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | just add "johngarbutt" | 17:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure why it dosn't like my email | 17:18 |
| BobBall | Ah - that added you | 17:18 |
| BobBall | ta. | 17:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyway, looks about right. | 17:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | copyright notice and stuff | 17:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I will take a look tomorrow | 17:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, me next | 17:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have added a summit talk for the XenAPI road map | 17:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | to help the discussion I have opened an etherpad | 17:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/HavanaXenAPIRoadmap | 17:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/4 | 17:20 |
| BobBall | Looks good | 17:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | There are some boiler plate bits, but please contribute | 17:20 |
| BobBall | I'll try and update it with my thoughts | 17:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 17:20 |
| matelakat | I can add mine as well. | 17:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | feel free to ping me on IRC when you add stuff, not sure I can subscribe | 17:20 |
| matelakat | Having a proper Xapi layer in oslo. | 17:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | it is a nova discussion really, that would be a seprate oslo session really | 17:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | the can collapse the ones that will not take a whole session | 17:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | but we can talk about including it in the nova session | 17:21 |
| matelakat | What is AOB? | 17:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | any other bussiness | 17:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | silly english term I guess | 17:22 |
| BobBall | Any Other Business | 17:22 |
| BobBall | oh duh | 17:22 |
| matelakat | Okay. | 17:22 |
| BobBall | didn't see the reply | 17:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | no worries | 17:22 |
| BobBall | I think I need to visit the opticians | 17:22 |
| matelakat | So I was busy with this cinder stuff, and I found around 3-4 bugs. | 17:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | I went last week | 17:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | apparently I can see | 17:23 |
| matelakat | So that's good for Cinder. | 17:23 |
| matelakat | Ah, | 17:23 |
| matelakat | We were talking about using qemu-img for image conversion inside nova | 17:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, do we have tempest tests runninon your new code | 17:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | have you spoken to comstud about that? | 17:24 |
| guitarzan | matelakat: what'd you find by the way? | 17:24 |
| matelakat | I don't have tempest test, I have separate exercise-like tests. | 17:24 |
| matelakat | guitarzan: see this link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/20514/ | 17:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | matelakat: regular tests should test the new driver OK | 17:25 |
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| matelakat | john: I haven't spoken to comstud | 17:25 |
| matelakat | I 'am a bit confused. | 17:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | he was preping something here: https://github.com/comstud/python-libvhd | 17:25 |
| guitarzan | matelakat: gotcha! I was expecting xen cinder stuff :) | 17:26 |
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| matelakat | guitarzan: The nightmare happened in the manager level... | 17:26 |
| matelakat | guitarzan: sorry for that. | 17:26 |
| matelakat | john, this https://github.com/comstud/python-libvhd is a bit old | 17:27 |
| guitarzan | no worries, I'm vested in both | 17:27 |
| matelakat | And I don't see how it would solve the issue. | 17:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | oops | 17:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | wrong link | 17:27 |
| matelakat | It is just a python binding. | 17:27 |
| matelakat | I tried it once, but did not work. | 17:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://github.com/comstud/vhd | 17:27 |
| matelakat | WHat I am talking about: use qemu-img convert to convert the downloaded image. | 17:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, the plan was to extract vhd code from xen | 17:28 |
| matelakat | So in this case, we could launch any type of images. | 17:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | then link that inside qemu-img | 17:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | agreed, we could go to raw then boot raw | 17:28 |
| matelakat | I think, we are talking about 2 things. | 17:28 |
| BobBall | so comstud's plan is to upstream the XS vhd format so qemu-img could convert directly to it? | 17:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep | 17:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | currently it creates broken vhd files | 17:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | but we could create raw then boot from those, using the disk attach dd method | 17:29 |
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| BobBall | "broken" or just "not XenServer enhanced" ;) | 17:29 |
| matelakat | dd method. | 17:30 |
| matelakat | THat's what I was trying to describe. | 17:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think they break when you take a snapshot, can't remember | 17:30 |
| matelakat | replace dd with qemu-img | 17:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | but what would qemu-img be used for? | 17:30 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy, yeah - the XS VHD format has extensions that enable sensible snapshots (in particular you can't coalesce sensibly with the stock VHD format) | 17:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | *->vhd? | 17:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: ah, that would be it then | 17:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | I knew there were extensions | 17:31 |
| BobBall | so I'm not surprised that problems start when you try snapshotting with the stock VHDs | 17:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess they are missing | 17:31 |
| matelakat | If you want to start an instance from a qcow2 image, you could use qemu-img convert to convert it to raw, and pipe the raw bytes to the vdi. | 17:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, OK, I guess that was what I was expecting to hear, cool | 17:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think it helps | 17:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | but the image in the qcow2 may well not run on Xen, but that is less likely these days, I guess | 17:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | it would be nice to extened/use cloud-init to install the XenServer tools | 17:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | config drives could contain the tools | 17:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | Ok, sounds like we are done | 17:33 |
| matelakat | Ok, see you | 17:33 |
| * BobBall is | 17:34 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | #action matelakat to add inline qcow2 conversion to wiki | 17:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | oops | 17:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | missed him | 17:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | and I meant etherpad | 17:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 17:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 17:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 17:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 20 17:34:46 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-02-20-17.04.html | 17:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-02-20-17.04.txt | 17:34 |
| BobBall | Thanks John | 17:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-02-20-17.04.log.html | 17:34 |
| BobBall | till next week! | 17:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | indeed | 17:35 |
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| arek_ch | hi | 17:54 |
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| arek_ch | do you know if heat team meeting is goinh to occur today? | 17:55 |
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| arek_ch | I'm reffering to: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 17:55 |
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| sdake | arek_ch yes occuring today | 18:00 |
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| arek_ch | ok - thnx | 18:01 |
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| arek_ch | sdake - what is the general agenda for these meetings? is there an opens slot? | 18:02 |
| sdake | yes - edit agenda with your items | 18:02 |
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| arek_ch | I wanted to know if there are some plans to add/pass to nova-api the information about the service id the vm is part of | 18:04 |
| arek_ch | but ok - i'll wait to the meeting | 18:04 |
| sdake | define service id | 18:04 |
| sdake | you mean tenant? | 18:04 |
| sdake | devs are in #heat on freenode, feel free to ask questions there about those sorts of things | 18:05 |
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| arek_ch | ok | 18:05 |
| arek_ch | thnx | 18:05 |
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| davidha | Hi, where can I find the last meeting(s) record(s)? | 18:33 |
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| dolphm | davidha: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings | 18:39 |
| davidha | dolphm: tnx | 18:40 |
| clarkb | davidha: eavesdrop.openstack.org has all of the meeting logs and channel logs for the channels we log (if you can't find what you want on the wiki) | 18:42 |
| davidha | great | 18:42 |
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| notmyname | anyone here for the swift meeting? | 19:00 |
| chmouel | yep | 19:00 |
| torgomatic | o/ | 19:00 |
| redbo | yeah | 19:00 |
| Trixboxer | o/ ( observer - 1st time ) | 19:01 |
| clayg | ohai | 19:01 |
| notmyname | let's get started, then | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 20 19:01:16 2013 UTC. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:01 |
| notmyname | I've got a short agenda for this week: | 19:01 |
| notmyname | report from chmouel about what he has found about keystone and details of changes (if any) needed | 19:02 |
| notmyname | summit talks | 19:02 |
| notmyname | and any open questions | 19:02 |
| notmyname | I've got to be done in 30 minutes | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #topic keystone v3 changes? | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "keystone v3 changes? (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:02 | |
| notmyname | chmouel: what do you have for us? | 19:02 |
| chmouel | so henrynash was kind of enough to send a message resuming the problem | 19:02 |
| chmouel | available here http://pastie.org/private/ndyxib6ire3y2bbxvqim4q | 19:03 |
| chmouel | from the look of it i don't think this is going to cause problem | 19:03 |
| chmouel | it only acls works | 19:03 |
| chmouel | and that should be backward compatible | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | ok, so we may have some patches to the keystone middleware, but nothing beyond that? | 19:03 |
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| chmouel | that's correct AFAICS | 19:04 |
| notmyname | great. I think that's the right answer anyway :-) | 19:04 |
| notmyname | anyone have any questions/comments? | 19:04 |
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| davidha | chmouel: now thatther eare projectId and domainID in keystone - which will map to an account? | 19:05 |
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| chmouel | davidha: I believe the projectid would do since they are unique | 19:05 |
| clayg | should still be tenant's (now called projects) | 19:05 |
| dolphm | chmouel: +1 | 19:05 |
| clayg | ohai dolphm! | 19:05 |
| dolphm | clayg: o/ | 19:06 |
| chmouel | here is THE man speaking! | 19:06 |
| clayg | lol | 19:06 |
| davidha | +1 projectID == account | 19:06 |
| davidha | is domain a reseller prefix? | 19:06 |
| chmouel | that i am not totally sure since they have different use | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | no. the reseller prefix is swift-specific | 19:06 |
| clayg | davidha: don't go involving swift terms like reseller prefix in keystone - it'll just get confusing :P | 19:06 |
| notmyname | heh | 19:06 |
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| davidha | ther eis a concept pof domains in keystone v3 | 19:07 |
| davidha | differen tpepole think differently about it | 19:07 |
| clayg | "pof"? | 19:07 |
| chmouel | we could potentially have urls which include domains | 19:07 |
| chmouel | and the default would be the same as now | 19:07 |
| chmouel | (default being as well keystone domain default) | 19:07 |
| clayg | chmouel: as long as the auth middleware is doing the remapping, the url of the data makes a difference to the ring, there's shoudln't be a data migration | 19:07 |
| notmyname | keystone can map their users to swift endpoints however they want, but the important point is that it doesn't affect anything in swift | 19:08 |
| davidha | Is the use pepole do with reseller prefix essentially different from whet domains will be in keystone? | 19:08 |
| chmouel | clayg: well not for the domain specifics domains which woudl not need migration | 19:08 |
| notmyname | davidha: ya. a reseller prefix is for swift deployments with more than one auth system | 19:08 |
| chmouel | since introduced in v3 | 19:08 |
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| chmouel | clayg: i mean domain specifics urls | 19:09 |
| clayg | "doamin specifics domains"!? | 19:09 |
| dolphm | i'm concerned that swift acl's wont be able to support two projects with the same name - yes it looks like it'll correctly detect that the second project is a mismatch, but that's not the same as supporting it | 19:09 |
| davidha | notmyname: I am not saying anything should change in swift - but maybe the keystone middleware should have an option for mapping keystone domains to reseller prefix | 19:09 |
| clayg | chmouel: oh... like *another* swift account for the domain globally instead of "just" a project? | 19:09 |
| dolphm | (i'm reading the link above) | 19:09 |
| chmouel | well no, but the way I sees it it's by default we have: | 19:10 |
| clayg | davidha: I think that would overload what swift currently does with reseller prefix, and cause problems for people using more than one authorizer to their swift cluster | 19:10 |
| chmouel | http://url/AUTH_tenantid | 19:10 |
| clayg | ... but may there's room in the middle | 19:10 |
| chmouel | and if we are getting from auth_token a domain | 19:10 |
| notmyname | dolphm: the ACLs are opaque to swift and only matter to the auth middleware. if that needs to change to better match keystone v3, that's ok | 19:10 |
| dolphm | notmyname: cool | 19:10 |
| chmouel | we can have instead http://url/AUTH_tenantid@domain | 19:10 |
| chmouel | or whatever url | 19:10 |
| davidha | chmouel: are you sure that projectID is unqie between ketstone domains? | 19:11 |
| notmyname | dolphm: the only concern (and mostly on the keystone side rather than swift) is that there is a migration path | 19:11 |
| dolphm | davidha: yes | 19:11 |
| chmouel | it's uuid | 19:11 |
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| davidha | such that we do not have domain1-project_jack and domain2-project-jack | 19:11 |
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| clayg | chmouel: how would the @doamin disambiguate the globally unique teantid? AUTH_tenantid@a_different_domain wouldn't make any sense to me? | 19:11 |
| davidha | chmouel: well there is a project name and ther eis a uuid | 19:11 |
| davidha | the project name I think is not unique | 19:12 |
| chmouel | davidha: it's not using project_name but only project_id | 19:12 |
| clayg | chmouel: +1 | 19:12 |
| clayg | that's KEY | 19:12 |
| davidha | Maybe the middleware should ofer more than option for mapping to solve different use cases | 19:12 |
| dolphm | names are user-defined in keystone, and now may conflict across domains; ID's are UUID's provided by keystone and therefore safe to use unencoded in URL's and stuff | 19:12 |
| clayg | ;) | 19:12 |
| chmouel | yep using the tenantid would ensure uniqueness and no conflict | 19:13 |
| clayg | davidha: enumerate the use cases, if there's something missed there's probably time to fill the gaps | 19:13 |
| davidha | if account = project uuid - we loose this nice swift charactaristic that users can define their URLs | 19:13 |
| chmouel | davidha: well it never was able with keystoneauth | 19:13 |
| caitlin-nexenta | UUIDs might be unique, but no user is going to want to enter them in an ACL. | 19:13 |
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| chmouel | because keystone could not give have endpoint url wiht %(tenant_name) | 19:14 |
| dolphm | caitlin-nexenta: i'd personally like to make the default ID length configurable to ease that | 19:14 |
| chmouel | only tenant_id | 19:14 |
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| davidha | AUTH_TEST/y387437434632643648736487326487364/mycontainer/myfile is not as good as AUTH_TEST/myaccount/mycontainer/myfile | 19:14 |
| chmouel | dolphm: +1 | 19:14 |
| chmouel | davidha: well i think there is the keystone side to fix first if we wanted that | 19:14 |
| chmouel | but i think we may work on that further when the v3 imp is stable | 19:15 |
| notmyname | dolphm: so it sounds like there are a few things to discuss, but those will probably come up in patches to the keystone middleware. correct? | 19:15 |
| davidha | chmouel: unless we use domain = prefix , such that the project ud becomes unique within that prefix - this still can allow using adifferent prefix to direct to a different auth system | 19:15 |
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| dolphm | notmyname: i think so | 19:15 |
| davidha | (or that we have a configuration option for the middleware mapping - both are fine) | 19:16 |
| dolphm | notmyname: auth_token isn't consuming v3 yet anyway | 19:16 |
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| chmouel | davidha: yes but prefix has not been designed to do that | 19:16 |
| notmyname | ok. I think that would be our timeframe | 19:16 |
| notmyname | dolphm: is that anticipated before girzzly or in H? | 19:16 |
| davidha | notmyname: I also think it is all solvable in the middleware | 19:17 |
| dolphm | notmyname: H | 19:17 |
| notmyname | dolphm: ok. | 19:17 |
| chmouel | davidha: +1 | 19:17 |
| notmyname | let's move on then | 19:17 |
| notmyname | #topic summit talks | 19:17 |
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| notmyname | submissions for talks in the swift track (and all the others) are open at http://summit.openstack.org | 19:18 |
| davidha | This will probably my first visit to portland :) | 19:18 |
| notmyname | if you have something to talk about (code, designs, other technical content), please submit a talk | 19:18 |
| chmouel | done! | 19:18 |
| cschwede | is this still open? | 19:18 |
| notmyname | the goal is not for presentations (lectures) but for conversations | 19:18 |
| davidha | notmyname: deadline for submitting items? | 19:19 |
| cschwede | @notmyname: ah, ok. | 19:19 |
| notmyname | I don't know the deadline, but it should be after the PTL elections, I'd imagine (since the PTLs set the schedules) | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | so I'd guess you have a few weeks | 19:19 |
| notmyname | any other questions about the summit? | 19:20 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | any other issues that need addressing? patches that need discussion that can't happen in gerrit? | 19:21 |
| davidha | I would need some assistance and guiding reg doubling the ring | 19:21 |
| davidha | any volenteers? | 19:22 |
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| torgomatic | davidha: I should have some time to start looking at patches again soon | 19:22 |
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| davidha | torgomatic: Thanks | 19:23 |
| notmyname | I'd like to see if your latest patch set addresses the concerns gholt has (his -2 is still there) | 19:23 |
| torgomatic | I've been quite busy with other, non-Swift stuff, but that should be slowing down soonish | 19:23 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: not slower, just refocused on swift things :-) | 19:23 |
| davidha | notmyname: gholt indicted later that he think the ideas in the patch seem to address teh main isues | 19:24 |
| davidha | but it is not a done deal yet | 19:24 |
| notmyname | davidha: ya, I remember seeing something like that | 19:24 |
| notmyname | he's not in here, so someone who sits near him at RAX should ask him if his -2 still stands | 19:24 |
| clayg | davidha: gholt's last comment seemed to just be "please set this to work in progress" - which is a neat trick for patches you're still making changes too | 19:25 |
| notmyname | davidha: if your patch is still a work in progress, cna you please mark it as such | 19:25 |
| notmyname | ya. what clayg said :-) | 19:25 |
| redbo | I think he meant gholt's comments on the blueprint | 19:25 |
| clayg | oh yeah those! | 19:25 |
| clayg | for the love of god just link an etherpad.openstack.org and get off that horrid thing | 19:26 |
| davidha | yes on the blueprint | 19:26 |
| notmyname | any other things to bring up today? | 19:26 |
| cschwede | I'd like to know if someone is interested in a shared container approach (ie you see shared containers from other users and access them with your own storage URL). I have a working draft and would appreciate any comments | 19:27 |
| chmouel | would be nice if we can get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21563/ reviewed | 19:27 |
| notmyname | cschwede: interesting. as something different than ACLs? | 19:27 |
| chmouel | cschwede: what would be different to ACLs ? | 19:27 |
| caitlin-nexenta | Who would control access to a shared container? | 19:28 |
| cschwede | no, using current acls. We will use it as an internal dropbox for large data sets | 19:28 |
| notmyname | cschwede: have you published your draft anywhere? | 19:28 |
| davidha | cschwede: what does it add beyond what can be done today with ACLs | 19:29 |
| davidha | ? | 19:29 |
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| cschwede | @chmouel: you see shared containers in your container listing, without need for the storage url from other users | 19:29 |
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| cschwede | @notnmyname: https://github.com/cschwede/swift-containerlist | 19:29 |
| chmouel | cschwede: so is that .rlistings on ACLs ? | 19:29 |
| clayg | chmouel: can you set .rlisting on your account | 19:30 |
| chmouel | clayg: oh correct | 19:30 |
| cschwede | @davidha: easier to use for your users | 19:30 |
| chmouel | but isn't that something that can be extended in auth middlewares/acl.parse_acl? | 19:30 |
| clayg | cschwede: I think it's as least an interesting idea as allowing keystone domain & project names in the url instead of tenant_id's | 19:31 |
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| cschwede | sorry, I meant containers from other accounts, not other users | 19:32 |
| notmyname | unfortunately, I've got to run now. there's nothign scheduled in here for the next 30 minutes, so please keep discussing if you'd like | 19:32 |
| clayg | I've acctually noted that not having a way to enumerate a users's permissions is sort of a hassle from a design perspective | 19:32 |
| notmyname | cschwede: I'd also suggest getting feedback from devs in #openstack-swift or comments on the mailing list | 19:32 |
| chmouel | clayg: +1 | 19:33 |
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| notmyname | next meeting in two weeks | 19:33 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 19:33 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 20 19:33:15 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:33 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-02-20-19.01.html | 19:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-02-20-19.01.txt | 19:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-02-20-19.01.log.html | 19:33 |
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| clayg | like if you have a non-.admin user and you wanna display a list of all the containers they've been giving permissions to... well like they don't even have permission to just walk all the containers in thier <account>: | 19:33 |
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| cschwede | @clayg: my current draft solves this also | 19:34 |
| clayg | cschwede: do you have any ideas for implementation? | 19:34 |
| clayg | oh sry, missed the link | 19:34 |
| cschwede | @clayg: it's already working in our test environment | 19:34 |
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| cschwede | I need to update the Readme, will do that tomorrow | 19:34 |
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| clayg | cschwede: so you've got a wellknown container (self.contlist) that stores json blobs by "username" - memcache to accelerate | 19:38 |
| clayg | oic, and you snarf requests with acl's in them to keep things up to date | 19:39 |
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| cschwede | @clayg: yes, thats correct. Read ACL modifications update these | 19:39 |
| clayg | cschwede: seems kinda like what one would do i suppose | 19:39 |
| clayg | neat! | 19:39 |
| cschwede | It works quite stable - doesn't break any functests/probetests from swift, works as expected (at least for us) | 19:39 |
| cschwede | @clayg: thanks | 19:40 |
| chmouel | yeah i agree it's neat | 19:40 |
| cschwede | I think the stored JSON/memcache keys need a little better layout, some settings should be configurable in proxy-server.conf | 19:40 |
| cschwede | my intention was to make this transparent to all sorts of clients - web GUI, swift CLI, S3 API, Rackspace iOS App, SFTP/FTP... | 19:41 |
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| sdake_z | Many filters use data from scheduler_hints, that is defined in the moment of creation of the new server for the user. The only exception for this rule is JsonFilter, that takes data in some strange difficult to understand way. | 19:58 |
| sdake_z | oops wrong channel sorry | 19:58 |
| stevebaker | lol | 19:59 |
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| sdake_z | #startmeeting heat | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 20 20:01:05 2013 UTC. The chair is sdake_z. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:01 |
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| sdake_z | hidey ho - rollcall pls | 20:01 |
| Slower | o/ | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | _o/ | 20:01 |
| echohead | |o | 20:01 |
| jpeeler | hi | 20:01 |
| zaneb | o/ | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | _\o/_ | 20:01 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: semaphore? | 20:02 |
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| stevebaker | ~o~ | 20:02 |
| SpamapS | Wuthering Heights by Semaphore.. a classic. :) | 20:02 |
| shadower | o/ | 20:02 |
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| sdake_z | #topic graduation | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "graduation (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:02 | |
| sdake_z | so grats folks | 20:02 |
| sdake_z | 11 months all in we were successful :) | 20:03 |
| Slower | woot! That's awesome | 20:03 |
| * stevebaker shoots silly-string | 20:03 | |
| Slower | very nice work guys | 20:03 |
| * SpamapS mourns poor old Mr Silly-string.. why'd we have to shoot him? ;) | 20:03 | |
| SpamapS | very cool | 20:03 |
| sdake_z | not to be debbie downer but i expect the project will change a bit ass we add more contributors | 20:03 |
| asalkeld | me too here | 20:04 |
| sdake_z | hi angus welcome to the party ;) | 20:04 |
| sdake_z | #topic g3 rc1 bugs | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "g3 rc1 bugs (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:04 | |
| SpamapS | sdake_z: downer? I think its going to change only in that it will get more awesome. :) | 20:04 |
| sdake_z | yup hope so ;) | 20:05 |
| sdake_z | better then decline ;) | 20:05 |
| sdake_z | https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/grizzly-rc1 | 20:05 |
| Slower | better than most of the redhat started projects I've been on :) | 20:05 |
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| sdake_z | ok we got 14 bugs | 20:05 |
| sdake_z | slower blame the devs ;) | 20:05 |
| sdake_z | we have 2 weeks to fix these bugs | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | I feel like https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1105806 needs a bit of careful handling. If we can fix that in a way that sets up Havana to eliminate the use of /var/lib/cloud/data that would be ideal. | 20:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1105806 in heat "/var/lib/cloud belongs to cloud-init, heat should not write files there" [Medium,Triaged] | 20:06 |
| asalkeld | 1 a day | 20:06 |
| sdake_z | rather then go through all of them i'd like to just talk about the unassigned ones | 20:06 |
| sdake_z | and get someone assigned | 20:07 |
| sdake_z | or remove them | 20:07 |
| sdake_z | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1105806 | 20:07 |
| sdake_z | i can take this one | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | ok | 20:07 |
| sdake_z | unless stevebaker has something in the works already | 20:07 |
| asalkeld | sdake_z can't we just priotise them | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | and work from the top | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | nope, but at lease I am familiar with the area now | 20:08 |
| sdake_z | they are priortized i believe | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | ok, job done then? | 20:08 |
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| zaneb | woo! party time ;) | 20:09 |
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| sdake_z | there are only two other unasssigned bugs | 20:09 |
| sdake_z | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1072938 | 20:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1072938 in heat/grizzly "nosetests -a does not return error if credentials not loaded on functional tests" [Low,Triaged] | 20:09 |
| jpeeler | may be easier to fix, but how much do we care if we are going to testr eventually? | 20:10 |
| * stevebaker started playing with testr yesterday | 20:10 | |
| sdake_z | well g is one release - should either fix bugs or say invalid | 20:11 |
| sdake_z | what we do in the future is not relevant ;) | 20:11 |
| jpeeler | fair enough | 20:11 |
| SpamapS | IMO, for an RC, low bugs are not really valid. | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | I think drop from g | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | I'd like to know if moving to testr is considered a "feature" for feature freeze | 20:11 |
| SpamapS | unless people are sitting around twiddling thumbs | 20:11 |
| zaneb | is nose the cause of the issue? | 20:11 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: testr is enough of a different experience that I'd delay it to havana as well. | 20:12 |
| sdake_z | no big changes please :) | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | ok | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | the main reason to love testr is parallelization, and right now, nose takes what, 10s to run? | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | what about unittest -> testtools? | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | the other reasons are to help iterate and make tests faster by tracking their run times... | 20:13 |
| clarkb | when we did it with nova we dove into the deep end during a not so busy period giving us time to work out issues that cropped up | 20:13 |
| clarkb | stevebaker: unittest to testtools should be safe | 20:13 |
| sdake_z | lets not change the test infra right before a release :) | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: I'd just let new tests switch to testtools as a need is identified. testtools just makes it easier to write more clear/concise tests.. and it builds on top of unittest | 20:13 |
| asalkeld | +1 | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | pff ;) | 20:13 |
| sdake_z | stevebaker - fearless or reckless ;) | 20:14 |
| sdake_z | jpeeler you might taking that bug | 20:14 |
| sdake_z | might/mind | 20:14 |
| jpeeler | sure | 20:14 |
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| sdake_z | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1072949 | 20:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1072949 in heat/grizzly "Reset DB migrations" [Low,Triaged] | 20:15 |
| sdake_z | this will be our last opportunity | 20:15 |
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| sdake_z | I guess we need to decide if we want to pull the trigger on this one | 20:15 |
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| sdake_z | any debate? | 20:16 |
| zaneb | is it really a breaking change? nova did something similar | 20:16 |
| sdake_z | they squashed tho right? | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | +1 for doing it now. I doubt it will be so simple after G | 20:16 |
| zaneb | sdake_z: yes | 20:16 |
| sdake_z | ya if we dont do it now we wont ever do it ;) | 20:16 |
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| stevebaker | +1 for doing it now | 20:17 |
| sdake_z | it will break existing users | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | do it quick | 20:17 |
| Slower | +1 | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | so we have 10 days to find any issues | 20:17 |
| sdake_z | ok - probably should reprioritize to critical then | 20:17 |
| zaneb | +1 | 20:17 |
| sdake_z | zaneb you mind taking this one | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | Probably worth an email to openstack@ ... I doubt Heat has "production" users, but it may be disruptive to those in full scale testing. | 20:18 |
| zaneb | sure, can do | 20:18 |
| sdake_z | thx | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | with G, technically Heat will still be an incubated component right? Like, its not official until H? | 20:18 |
| sdake_z | anyone having trouble with reviews of bugs? | 20:19 |
| asalkeld | you mean code reviews? | 20:19 |
| sdake_z | ya | 20:19 |
| sdake_z | any stuck | 20:19 |
| sdake_z | spamaps to be integrated in havana | 20:20 |
| sdake_z | Voted on "Approve graduation of Heat (to be integrated in common Havana release)?" yes (10) abstain (1) no (1) | 20:20 |
| sdake_z | #topic open items | 20:21 |
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| sdake_z | 2 weeks for bug fixes and finding | 20:21 |
| sdake_z | then 3 weeks to fix any critical/high bugs | 20:21 |
| sdake_z | during that 3 weeks we can start cleaning up the bps for havana and having a look at them | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | would performance bugs count for this current 2 weeks? | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | sounds good | 20:22 |
| sdake_z | define performance bug | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | Well I plan to spin up a few racks of servers w/ heat + nova baremetal | 20:22 |
| asalkeld | so scale +1 | 20:23 |
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| SpamapS | I know its going to take 48*single boot time...but it should be able to go a lot faster than that. | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | unless the fix is major architecture rewrite, I say go for it | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | I figure for low impact low hanging fruit, would be nice to get those in now. | 20:23 |
| sdake_z | spamaps it should be multithreaded | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | otherwise blueprint | 20:23 |
| sdake_z | should take single boot time + 400usec for api calls per node | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | sdake_z don't need to be threaded | 20:24 |
| sdake_z | if you see somehting specifc - file a bug ;) | 20:24 |
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| SpamapS | sdake_z: well the single boot time is like, 10,000,000 usec .. so.. the 400 didn't seem worth mentioning :) | 20:24 |
| zaneb | hold on, we only wait for nova to create the server, not to boot it | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | just shouldn't block waiting for active | 20:24 |
| sdake_z | each stack create is a separate operation | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | it has to go "ACTIVE" | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | just to get the instance id | 20:25 |
| sdake_z | with a separate thread | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | I said "single boot" I guess I mean "single create" | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | anyway, just wanted to make sure thats a problem people will be open to tackling now if I can find a low impact way to do it | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | (which I can... I think) | 20:25 |
| sdake_z | you mean multipel vms in one template? | 20:25 |
| asalkeld | patrick would love this too | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | right we don't have o block waiting for active, we don't need to block until we actually need something from the instance info. | 20:26 |
| sdake_z | ok i thought you meant 48 separate api calls | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | no, one stack | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | 48 machines | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | (40 or so are in a single instance group) | 20:26 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: are you using an autoscaling group? | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | ^^ aye | 20:26 |
| uvirtbot | SpamapS: Error: "^" is not a valid command. | 20:26 |
| zaneb | ok, that should be fixable in a not-too-horrible way I would imagine | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | also there is the nova.boot(mincount) optioin | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | so nova creates the instances for you | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | yeah, lazy load of details... lots of things we can do without tackling the multiple threads issue | 20:27 |
| sdake_z | blocking on dependency execution rather then parent creation seems easy enough | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | lets not implement it in the meeting, just getting the greenlight is good enough :) | 20:28 |
| sdake_z | wfm - 10 days after that lockdown ;) | 20:28 |
| SpamapS | blueprint review? | 20:29 |
| sdake_z | 2 weeks | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | I know they're all "done" | 20:29 |
| sdake_z | oh you mean existing ones | 20:29 |
| sdake_z | ya w eshould be set there | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | did anything slip through the cracks at the end? | 20:29 |
| sdake_z | ya shardy put some code in | 20:29 |
| sdake_z | that may need a review | 20:30 |
| sdake_z | the schedule slipped a day | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/update-rollback ? | 20:30 |
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| * SpamapS has a conflicting appointment and must bow out now | 20:32 | |
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| sdake_z | ok blueprint looks good | 20:32 |
| sdake_z | anything else? | 20:32 |
| SpamapS | one last thing.. is everyone ok with uvirtbot joining #heat and posting messages whenever there is a New bug reported on launchpad? | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | yes please | 20:33 |
| sdake_z | yes | 20:33 |
| sdake_z | please | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | ok, I've asked soren to join it to the channel.. the new bug tracking will take a couple of days | 20:33 |
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| sdake_z | nice | 20:33 |
| sdake_z | thanks! | 20:33 |
| sdake_z | ok anything else? | 20:33 |
| asalkeld | no | 20:34 |
| sdake_z | #endmeeting | 20:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 20 20:34:06 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-02-20-20.01.html | 20:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-02-20-20.01.txt | 20:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-02-20-20.01.log.html | 20:34 |
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| boris-42 | vish sdague could you take a look one more time at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/22155/ | 20:52 |
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