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danwenthola20:58
mesteryo/20:58
markmcclainhi20:58
mesterygreetings dan!20:58
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danwentmestery: still freezing in MN?20:58
salv-orlandoaloha20:58
rkukurahi20:59
arosenHiya20:59
yamahatahi20:59
mesterydanwent: Nice and warm today: 35 or so.20:59
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enikanorovhi20:59
danwentmestery: ah, not all that much colder than here :)20:59
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shivHi all20:59
markvoelkero/20:59
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med_howdy20:59
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nati_uenoHi I'm at HOSPITAL sorry for slow responce21:00
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garykhi21:00
alexpilottihi!21:00
danwent#startmeeting quantum21:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jan 28 21:00:25 2013 UTC.  The chair is danwent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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danwentnati_ueno: everything ok?21:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'quantum'21:00
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danwent#info agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Network/Meetings21:00
zyluojo21:00
SumitNaiksatamhi all!21:00
zyluohi21:00
alexpilottihi all21:00
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nati_uenodanwent Thanks going better21:01
danwent#info we will be trying a slightly different format for the meeting, trying to get the quantum sub-team leads more involved.  we'll probably have to iterate a coupel times to get it right.21:01
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danwent#info Updated the Quantum Community Project page: http://wiki.openstack.org/QuantumStarterBugs21:01
danwentany other announcements before we get things started?21:01
danwent#topic quantum documentation21:02
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danwentdo we believe we have filed doc bugs for all G-1 and G-2 items by now?21:02
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danwent#info we had some questions around what plugins where compatible with which nova virt layer configs, so I added this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/110482821:03
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1104828 in openstack-manuals "Q-admin: compatibility matrix for q-plugin vs. nova-virt " [High,Confirmed]21:03
danwentI will likely be contacting you about this if you are a plugin maintainer21:03
markmcclaindanwent: this bug is too low https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/109957421:03
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1099574 in openstack-manuals "Quantum DB migration" [Medium,Confirmed]21:03
danwentmarkmcclain: ok, bumped to high21:04
danwentmarkmcclain: i also got a question a few days ago about configuring metadata with grizzly, is there a doc issue tracking that?21:04
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markmcclaindanwent: yes, https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/109957321:05
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1099573 in openstack-manuals "Quantum Metadata Proxy should be documented" [Medium,Confirmed]21:05
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danwentmarkmcclain: ok, i'm marking everything we definitely need to do for grizzly as a high, but it seems like the docs people are marking them as medium :)21:05
danwentmarkmcclain: you can email annegentle to get permissions to set the priorities of doc issues yourself if you need to do it frequently.21:06
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danwenti'll bump that one21:06
gongyshhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/metadata-non-routed21:06
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gongyshthere is another BP for metadata, which should be implemented.21:06
danwentsalv-orlando: i saw you added the api docs bugs you promoised, thanks.  any idea why they don't show up here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-site/+bugs?field.tag=netconn-api21:07
markmcclaingongysh: included a comment about that further down the agenda21:07
salv-orlandomissing tag21:07
danwentgongysh: i think mark is talking about that later on the agenda21:07
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danwentsalv-orlando: a, perfect.21:07
salv-orlandodanwent: fixed21:07
danwent#info in the next three weeks, as we wrap up G-3, please make sure that as features merge, we add doc issues for them.  If its a community-wide feature, doc issue should be 'high'.21:08
danwentsalv-orlando: thanks, seeing them now.21:08
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danwentOk, any other doc issues before we move on to G-3?21:08
danwent#topic grizzly-3 status21:09
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danwent#info we're going to try and have a slightly different format here.  We'll go through the 5 community-wide 'high' issues, then give the sub-team leads a chance to comment on the status of any other blueprints.21:09
danwentbut first off, I wanted to give me regular warning, just so people aren't surprised.21:10
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danwent#info g-3 branch date is Feb 19th, 3 weeks away.21:10
danwent#info all features must be in code review a week before the branch date (and even that isn't a guarantee of merging).  The goal here is to avoid a final rush of last minute reviews, were core devs are pressured to quickly review a ton of code, as this tends to lead to low standards21:11
danwent#info for G-3, the only feature-freeze exceptions would be for community-wide 'high' priorities (no matter how important a feature is to you!)21:11
danwentany questions concerns on these before we dive into the current 'high' issues?21:12
danwentMultiple L3 + DHCP agents:21:12
danwentdev: yong21:12
danwentsub-team L3/IPAM/DHCP (markmcclain)21:12
danwentspec: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-scheduler21:12
danwentreview: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18216/21:12
danwentactive core devs: garyk, salv-orlando, danwent21:12
danwentstatus: ?21:12
danwentgongysh, markmcclain status?21:12
danwenti finally reviewed this last night, sorry for the LONG delay :)21:13
garyki am reviewing. still have to take a look at thelatest chnages. hopefully tomorrow21:13
gongyshXML patches should be ok21:13
danwentgongysh: yes, that's up next21:13
salv-orlandoI need to re-review21:14
gongyshquantum scheduler has something to deal with.21:14
markmcclainnothing additional to add on quantum-scheduler bp21:14
danwentok.  where do we expect to be on this blueprint by next week?21:14
gongyshhost, collection action, extension name.21:14
danwentgongysh: sorry, don't understand21:15
gongyshI have respond your comments in review.21:15
gongyshI conclude three point from your comments.21:15
danwentgongysh: ok, will take a look later today21:15
danwentok, so I expect we still think we'll be in review next week?21:16
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gongyshyes.21:16
danwentwhat are our goals to achieve this week?  get key design questions cleared up?21:16
gongyshI am updating the patches when I got comments.21:17
danwent#info multi-agent blueprint is in feedback mode in review.  Expected to still be in review next week.21:17
gongyshI hope so,  that depends on reviewers.21:17
danwent#info goal is to clean up design questions and be to detailed code review and testing by next week21:17
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danwent(may be optimistic, but i'm an optimist :) )21:17
gongyshthe code can be tested now.21:18
danwentXML for Quantum v2 API:21:18
danwentdev: yong21:18
danwentsub-team: API (salv-orlando)21:18
danwentreview: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/19998/21:18
danwentactive core devs: markmcclain, garyk21:18
danwentstatus: ?21:18
salv-orlandoGaryk approved.21:18
markmcclainI need finish reviewing21:18
gongyshit has passed garyk's test.21:18
garykYup. tested and it worked. Yong solved all problems found21:18
gongyshI have worked with him some time last week.21:19
garyksalv-orlando: we need an extra +2 for approval.21:19
danwentok, sounds great.  I am not aware of any design issues still outstanding here, so it sounds like we expect this to merge fairly soon?21:19
salv-orlandoI just need to double check collections and handling of null values. Should be ok though since Gary has spent an awful lot of time on it.21:19
salv-orlandoThis should be implemented for the next meeting21:19
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danwent#info xml API patch is further along in review, no major design issues.  Should be merged by next week.21:20
gongyshsalv-orlando: we have some test cases for it, nul, collections, etc.21:20
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danwentSecurity Groups (OVS plugin):21:20
danwentdev: nachi21:20
danwentsub-team: security groups / fw (arosen)21:20
danwentreview: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/19436/1421:20
danwentactive core devs: arosen, amotoki, rkukura21:20
danwentstatus: ?21:20
danwentnati_ueno is at the hostital, may be slow to respond21:21
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danwentarosen, can you comment?21:21
nati_uenoOn review also blocked by nova bug21:21
danwentnati_ueno: can you paste the nova bug that it is blocked on?  does that bug have active reviewers or do we need to identify them?21:21
nati_uenoAkihiro looks almost ok for the patch21:22
arosennati_ueno:  patch looks pretty close to being good for me.21:22
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danwenthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/105043321:22
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1050433 in nova "LibvirtBridgeDriver crashes when spawning an instance with NoopFirewallDriver" [High,In progress]21:22
arosenI'll check it out again today21:22
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danwentnati_ueno: looks like daniel b has nova bug assigned, but i don't see a patch21:23
danwentmay be good to ping him21:23
nati_uenohttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/19126/21:23
nati_uenoThis is the review21:23
danwentah, its just not tagged with the bug-id21:24
nati_uenoYes I comented it on review21:24
danwentI will update the bug to indicate that this is the fix.  That patch is stalled on some of the vif-plugging discussions we've been having on the ML, but i'm optimistic that that log jam may be opening up soon21:24
nati_uenoI agree21:24
danwentok, any other concerns around the quantum side fo the patch?21:25
danwentWhat are our goals for moving this forward in the next week?21:25
gongyshproblem is why this bug is blocking our patch?21:25
nati_uenoI hope it merged in this week21:25
danwent#info security group patch is blocked by quantum vif-plugging issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/105043321:26
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1050433 in nova "LibvirtBridgeDriver crashes when spawning an instance with NoopFirewallDriver" [High,In progress]21:26
nati_uenoYong we can't disable nova security group21:26
rkukuraOne question on this review - are we trying to avoid sending notifications within transactions?21:26
danwent#info seems possible to merge quantum OVS security groups this week, but relies on a nova change, so its unclear21:26
gongyshif we use LibvirtOpenVswitchDriver, we can use that no firewall21:27
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danwentgongysh: nati_ueno's change requires IPtables, which requires hybrid driver for OVs, which is where the problem is21:28
nati_uenoYong it not working by the bug21:28
gongyshok.21:28
danwentrkukura: not sure, someone more familiar with the change would need to comment21:28
gongyshbut I think ovs bridge is depending on open flow.21:28
gongyshwe can discard the hybrid driver now.21:29
nati_uenoRkukura I looks it should be. I will check the code21:29
danwentLBaaS Agent-based Plugin:21:29
danwentdev: Ilya + enikanorov21:29
danwentsub-team: lbaas (danwent)21:29
danwentspec: http://wiki.openstack.org/Quantum/LBaaS/Agent21:29
danwentreviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/20225/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/20579/21:29
mesteryAgree with gongysh here.21:29
danwentactive core reviewers: garyk and ??21:29
enikanorovwent on review today and received a couple of comments21:30
salv-orlandoI won't be able to review before Friday21:30
garykthere is a ton of code duplication here. an extra set of eyes would be very helpful21:30
danwentenikanorov: yup, saw that21:30
danwentgaryk: interesting, dup with what parts of the code?21:30
danwentexisting code?21:30
danwent(or within the patch itself?)21:31
garykdanwent: there are the lbaas classes. yup within the pacth set21:31
danwentgaryk: got it21:31
garyki think that i added comments about this21:31
danwentok, so salv-orlando said he can be the second core dev21:31
danwentI will update the agenda for next time21:31
garykmaybe i am missing something (i am not the sharpest tool in the shed at the moment)21:31
enikanorovI hope we discuss some lbaas stuff at the end of the meeting (related to one of these reviews)21:32
danwentenikanorov: ok, sounds good.  we can actually discuss it in a few mins during the "sub-teams" section21:32
enikanorovwell. I've wrote an email about the concern of having conf-based dev management21:33
danwent#info lbaas agent driver posted for review ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/20225/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/20579/ ).  garyk and salv-orlando will be core devs (more welcomed!)21:33
enikanorovsince it's incompatible with typical haproxy use case21:33
enikanorovyoucef has proposed a solution, we're evaluating it now21:34
danwentenikanorov: ok21:34
danwentHAProxy driver for Agent-based Plugin:21:34
danwentdev: oleg21:34
danwentsub-team: lbaas (danwent)21:34
danwentspec: http://wiki.openstack.org/Quantum/LBaaS/HAProxyDriver21:34
danwentreview: (none yet. expected by next week?)21:34
danwentanticipated core reviewers?21:34
danwentenikanorov: are you contact for this as well?21:34
enikanorovhaproxy driver is expected on review at the end of the week21:34
danwent#info lbaas HA proxy driver review expected by end of this week21:35
danwentok, before we move on to to the sub-team reports, there's one other comment that I meant to make above but forgot.21:35
danwentas of today, we have 28 unmerged blueprints, which needs to be at 0 in three weeks through some combination of merging blueprints and dropping blueprints from the milestone.21:36
gongyshso many!21:36
danwentby tomorrow, I want to be under unmerged 25 blueprints, and by a week from now, under 15 unmerged blueprints.21:36
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gongyshby merging, u mean change two into one magically?21:37
danwentso, my current target is that there are several blueprints that are 'not started', that will be booted out of the G-3 release in the next few days (i've already updated the whiteboards to warn the developers)21:37
danwentgongysh: haha, no i meant, by merging the code into the repo (i.e., implementing it).21:37
gongyshgot it.21:37
danwentgongysh: though that's a clever trick :)21:37
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danwentOk, so sub-team leads, please chime in at this point with additional items you think need team updates (none required).21:38
danwentalso, if there are active technical discussions going on the ML around items in your sub-team, please highlight those21:38
danwentlet's start with API.  anything salv-orlando ?21:38
danwentI see:21:39
salv-orlandoI am the approver for 4 blueprints.21:39
danwent- https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-api-wadl21:39
danwent- https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/support-pagination-in-api-v221:39
danwent- https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/load-plugin-supported-extensions21:39
danwentbeyond what we talked about above21:39
salv-orlandothanks for pasting the list before me.21:39
danwentsalv-orlando: sorry to step on your toes!21:39
salv-orlandoWe already said XML is in good shape21:39
salv-orlandoPagination is too in good shape, but I need another core there.21:39
salv-orlandoI'm the only one reviewing it so far.21:40
zyluoquantum-api-wadl expected to send review by this week21:40
markmcclainI'll take a look at pagination21:40
danwent#help need another core dev on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/support-pagination-in-api-v221:40
salv-orlandozyluo: was going to ping you about that.21:40
danwent#info markmcclain will help on pagination21:40
salv-orlandoOnce we see the code for quantum-api-wadl (some is already on review) we can make a call there21:40
salv-orlandothe last one, it's borderline at the moment.21:40
salv-orlandoI need an update from the assignee.21:41
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danwentsalv-orlando: agreed.  I'll update the BP suggesting we bump it.  its not critical21:41
salv-orlandoWithout it, it's probably going to be booted out next week. (also because it's not really critcial)21:41
danwent:)21:41
danwentok, anything else on API?21:41
nati_uenoHolizon support also needed for pagenation21:41
danwentnati_ueno: is there a BP filed?21:42
salv-orlandonati_ueno: that is desirable, but not mandatory21:42
danwenti assume this is not required?21:42
danwentyeah, great21:42
salv-orlandoAPI works as before21:42
salv-orlandoif you don't ask for pagination. Otherwise we would have broken bw compatibility :)21:42
nati_uenoThere wa bug when glance support pagenation21:42
danwentok, time is getting late, so let's keep moving to updates from mark's subteam(s)21:42
danwentmarkmcclain: probalby don't need to go through all of them, just highlight anything you see as important for the community to have an update on.  including active technical discussions / design reviews.21:43
markmcclainmetadata on non-routed networks will be available this week21:43
danwentbtw, please use info tags for announcements so they are capture in notes21:43
danwent#info metadata on non-routed networks will be available this week21:44
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nati_uenoThe defaut limit was 20 and holizon didn't support pagenation. Then some image disapered from horizon21:44
markmcclainoops… any rate moved a few BPs out of Grizzly and will finish moving more out that aren't started or need design decisions21:44
danwentmarkmcclain: ok, thanks21:45
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alexxunati_ueno, we disable pagination by default, so it will be ok21:45
danwentalso see l3plugin mentioned on the agenda: Migrate L3 from mixin to plugin: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-l3-routing-plugin21:45
nati_uenoAlexxu it sounds good! Thans21:46
markmcclainyeah.. folks should look at the mailing for the discussion21:46
mesterydanwent: Bob should be posting that review tomorrow, as far as I know.21:46
salv-orlandonati_ueno: you're welcome to look at the patch on gerrit. This will allow you to see whether the problem occurs or not21:46
danwenti think there is a design here to review.  I think people generally agree this is the right direction, but what is unclear is whether this can be done non-disruptively for G-321:46
bobmelI have code for that one. Planned to upload for review this week21:46
danwentmestery: great.  I think seeing the code change is probably the only way to answer the "how disruptive" question, so yeah, I think that's the next step21:46
nati_uenoSalvatore: ok I will review it21:46
danwent#info expect review for l3-plugin change later this week.21:47
mesterydanwent: Yes, I asked Bob to post the review.21:47
danwentok, we're running late, any other important sub-team updates about core quantum?21:47
danwent(we'll still have our regular agenda items after this)21:47
danwentI wanted to make sure people saw this post by the Arista folks: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/ovsplugin-hardware-devices21:47
salv-orlandobobmel design was not very disruptive. (assuming we're talking about the one I reviewed)21:48
danwentThere is an active ML discussion on it.21:48
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danwent#info I also think we are wrapping up our long-thread on vif-plugging on the ML.  Would be good to have people read the conclusions, as it will likely result in mandatory plugin changes in H to simplify nova.21:48
bobmelNo, I've tried to make it very incremental21:48
rkukuraare there plans to or need to do port security extension for linuxbridge and openvswitch?21:48
mesterydanwent: I saw that thread, seems as if there may be some opportunity for the Arista stuff to fit in nicely with thee ML2 plugin.21:49
danwentmestery: yes, that is rkukura's impression as well, so hopefully it will work out.21:49
mesterydanwent rkukura: great!21:49
danwentrkukura: my impression was that libvirt spoof prevention was sufficient21:49
danwentenikanorov: is there more discussion needed on device management and LBaaS, or is current ML thread sufficient?21:50
danwent(as in, do we need to talk about this at the team meeting, or is ML discussion sufficient?)21:51
enikanorovwell, I'd like to hear some more opinions or more detailed opinions21:51
enikanorovif we have time now, then it'd be good21:51
danwentOk.  I'm working through my backlog of design reviews for quantum.21:51
danwentenikanorov: unfortunately we don't, so we'll just have to live with encouraging people to chime in the ML21:51
danwent#topic python-quantumclient21:51
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rkukuradanwent: I'm just wondering if these plugins need to implement the API extension?21:52
danwentthanks to markmcclain for creating the 3.0.0 release target on launchpad: https://launchpad.net/python-quantumclient/+milestone/3.0.021:52
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danwentrkukura: ah, ok.21:52
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danwent#info thanks to markmcclain for creating the 3.0.0 release target on launchpad: https://launchpad.net/python-quantumclient/+milestone/3.0.021:53
danwentmarkmcclain, gongysh, please make sure priorities are set for those items.21:53
danwentif anyone else is expecting a client change to make grizzly, please make sure it is targeted at this release.21:53
danwent#topic quantum stable21:53
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danwentgaryk: how are we looking for openstack stable folsom release in a few days?21:54
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nati_uenoSorry I should go thanks bye21:54
garykdanwent: we are looking good. i am backporting the port satus fixes (unless people object).21:54
danwentnati_ueno: bye!21:54
garyknati_ueno: fo well and feel better21:54
danwentok, please ping the core team directly if additional urgent fixes are needed to make it in the stable drop.21:55
danwentanything else on stable?21:55
danwent#topic quantum system test21:55
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danwenttwo blueprints for system test, but neither assigned to grizzly.  are they active? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/quantum-basic-api21:56
danwenthttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/quantum-extended-api21:56
mlavalledanwent: I am developing the code for the first BP21:56
mlavalleachieving good progress21:56
danwentmlavalle: ok, great.  do tempest blueprints not need to be assigned to a release?  perhaps not, since it is just system test.21:56
danwent#info making good progress on tempest + quantum work: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/quantum-basic-api21:57
mlavalledanwent: my impression they don't have to. But I will check with Jay on the meeting on Thursday and report back to you21:57
danwentmlavalle: thanks.21:57
danwent#topic Quantum + Horizon21:57
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danwentamotoki and nachi are both out, so i'll just paste amotoki's summary21:57
danwenthttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/nova-net-quantum-abstraction (I will upload a patch this Tuesday)21:58
danwenthttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/quantum-floating-ip (I will upload a patch this Tuesday)21:58
danwenthttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/quantum-network-topology21:58
danwenthttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/quantum-vnic-ordering (Nachi's colleagues has a good progres)21:58
danwenthttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/quantum-security-group (I started)21:58
danwenthttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/quantum-lbaas21:58
danwentSumitNaiksatam: any update on lbaas work?21:58
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danwent#topic open discussion21:58
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danwentok, two minutes to spare (phew!)21:59
danwentany open discussion topics?21:59
mlavalledanwent: you mentioned last week the need to improve the developers documentation. If we are not achieving any progress there, I want to take ownership of it. Here's what I propose:21:59
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danwentmlavalle: by all means!21:59
mlavalledanwent: I want to give a presentation during the Summit on Quantum internals and how to hack it. I will develop the presentation and the documentation together21:59
mlavalledanwent: Two caveats though. You won'y see much progress from today until G-3. I want to deliver as much of the tempest tests as possible21:59
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SumitNaiksatam danwent: regarding LBaaS, KC is making progress22:00
mlavallefor G3. After that, I will devote time the the Summit presentation and the documentation22:00
danwentmlavalle: that would be great from my perspective.  thanks.22:00
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danwentSumitNaiksatam: ok, i figured, but always good to ask22:00
danwentok, that's all folks.  have a good afternoon/evening/morning!22:00
danwent#endmeeting22:00
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mesterybye everyone!22:01
gongyshbye22:01
enikanorovbye folks22:01
SumitNaiksatamdanwent: yeah sure, page wasnt scrolling so did not see your message22:01
alexxubye22:01
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