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| nijaba | #startmeeting Ceilometer | 15:00 |
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| nijaba | #meetingtopic Ceilometer | 15:00 |
| nijaba | #chair nijaba | 15:00 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 13 15:00:33 2012 UTC. The chair is nijaba. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Current chairs: nijaba | 15:00 |
| nijaba | ATTENTION: please keep discussion focussed on topic until we reach open discussion topic | 15:00 |
| nijaba | Hello everyone! Show of hands, who is around for the ceilometer meeting? | 15:00 |
| nijaba | o/ | 15:00 |
| n0ano | o/ | 15:00 |
| jd__ | o/ | 15:00 |
| zul | hi | 15:01 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:01 |
| jiajun | o/ | 15:01 |
| nijaba | #topic actions from previous meeting | 15:01 |
| zul | |o| | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from previous meeting (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
| nijaba | #topic asalkeld prepare a blueprint for v2 api "tightening" changes | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "asalkeld prepare a blueprint for v2 api "tightening" changes (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:01 |
| nijaba | anyone seen progress on this? | 15:01 |
| eglynn | AFAIK asalkeld is working away on the flattening aspect | 15:02 |
| yjiang5_away | o/ | 15:02 |
| nijaba | ok, Iĺl rea-action for next week | 15:02 |
| * eglynn is not sure whether flattening == tightening | 15:02 | |
| nijaba | #action asalkeld prepare a blueprint for v2 api "tightening" changes | 15:02 |
| nijaba | #topic dhellmann replace ceilometer.readthedocs.org with a page directing readers to the new site | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dhellmann replace ceilometer.readthedocs.org with a page directing readers to the new site (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:02 | |
| nijaba | #info done | 15:02 |
| nijaba | #link http://ceilometer.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 15:02 |
| nijaba | #topic dhellmann experiment with passing arrays of parameters to wsme for queries | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dhellmann experiment with passing arrays of parameters to wsme for queries (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:03 | |
| nijaba | I have not seen much on this either. anyone? | 15:03 |
| jd__ | nop | 15:03 |
| nijaba | #action dhellmann experiment with passing arrays of parameters to wsme for queries | 15:03 |
| nijaba | #topic eglynn prepare a blueprint for synaps integration | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "eglynn prepare a blueprint for synaps integration (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:03 | |
| nijaba | eglynn wrote: I'm trying to get them to commit to some level of participation and to contribute to an assessment of how the healthnmon APIs/concept map onto ceilo (or conversely the level of impedance) | 15:04 |
| yjiang5_away | eglynn: synaps? | 15:04 |
| eglynn | yep, wot he said ;) | 15:04 |
| nijaba | woops, I mixed up topics | 15:04 |
| nijaba | wrote: I didn't get to filing the synaps-integration blueprints yet, still figuring some stuff out, but will have at least placeholders in place for our grizzly BP deadline | 15:04 |
| eglynn | yep that about sums it up for now | 15:05 |
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| eglynn | I'm looking at Cassandra intregation as a first step | 15:05 |
| nijaba | so we should mark this in progress, I guess | 15:05 |
| eglynn | trying to unpick all the dependency issues ... | 15:05 |
| eglynn | so progress, but still ongoing | 15:05 |
| eglynn | BTW on the BPs | 15:06 |
| nijaba | #info in progress | 15:06 |
| yjiang5_away | eglynn: possibly a wiki page for discussion? | 15:06 |
| eglynn | can I clarify the deadline for grizzly? | 15:06 |
| eglynn | yjiang5_away: yep, I'll do that ... | 15:06 |
| yjiang5_away | eglynn: thanks. | 15:06 |
| eglynn | so is the deadline for grizzly approval Dec 15th? | 15:06 |
| nijaba | eglynn: so the idea is that all blueprint that are targetted for grizzly, have an owner before the eo week | 15:06 |
| eglynn | (or did I mis-remember that date ...) | 15:07 |
| eglynn | OK end of this week | 15:07 |
| nijaba | yes, but approval is automatic as long as someone has raised his hand sayong ï will do it | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | so Monday AM? ;) | 15:07 |
| nijaba | and identify himself as such as assignee | 15:07 |
| nijaba | moday am will be fine too | 15:07 |
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| * eglynn tries to squeeze a little more time ;) | 15:08 | |
| eglynn | cool | 15:08 |
| nijaba | we'll do a review and prioritization later in the meeting | 15:08 |
| nijaba | #topic eglynn reach out to healthnmon project | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "eglynn reach out to healthnmon project (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:08 | |
| nijaba | eglynn wrote: I didn't get to filing the synaps-integration blueprints yet, still figuring some stuff out, but will have at least placeholders in place for our grizzly BP deadline | 15:08 |
| nijaba | now that's on topic | 15:09 |
| yjiang5_away | nijaba: hehe | 15:09 |
| eglynn | as above: I'm trying to get them to commit to some level of participation and to contribute to an assessment of how the healthnmon APIs/concept map onto ceilo (or conversely the level of impedance) | 15:09 |
| * eglynn is wary of a code dump | 15:09 | |
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| nijaba | #info still trying to get commitment | 15:10 |
| eglynn | (so I would like some commitment on participation) | 15:10 |
| eglynn | yep | 15:10 |
| eglynn | so re-action for next week I think | 15:10 |
| nijaba | thanks for your efforts eglynn | 15:10 |
| nijaba | thanks for your efforts eglynn | 15:10 |
| eglynn | np! | 15:10 |
| yjiang5_away | nijaba: possibly some anysis of the feature duplication and feature we want on ceilometer will be helpful? | 15:10 |
| nijaba | #action eglynn reach out to healthnmon project | 15:11 |
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| yjiang5_away | nijaba: I mean for healthnmon. | 15:11 |
| nijaba | yjiang5_away: yes, thatś should be a starting point | 15:11 |
| nijaba | again, a wiki page would be welcome | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | yjiang5_away: yes, duplication is certainly there ... and yes, I'll set up a wiki for that also | 15:11 |
| yjiang5_away | nijaba: we can try to create one | 15:11 |
| nijaba | great | 15:12 |
| llu-laptop | Yes, we can help on that healthnmon wiki | 15:12 |
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| yjiang5_away | #action yjiang5 create wiki page for healthnmon | 15:12 |
| nijaba | #action eglynn, yjiang5_away, llu-laptop to work on a wiki page for analysis of healthmon duplication, etc.. | 15:12 |
| nijaba | yjiang5_away: sorry :) | 15:13 |
| yjiang5_away | nijaba: :) | 15:13 |
| nijaba | This was all from last week's action | 15:13 |
| Divakar | Hi This is Divakar from Healthnmon | 15:13 |
| yjiang5_away | Divakar: hi | 15:13 |
| nijaba | hello Divakar | 15:13 |
| eglynn | hey Divikar, wlecome! | 15:14 |
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| nijaba | so whomever starts the analysis on the wiki should post the link to the ml | 15:14 |
| Divakar | thank you.. I had shared the information on Healthnmon with eglynn | 15:14 |
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| eglynn | Divakar: did you see my latest mail on that thread? | 15:14 |
| Divakar | Yes...I just did.. | 15:15 |
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| eglynn | Divakar: (trying to get a sense of participation on your side...) | 15:15 |
| eglynn | Divakar: cool | 15:15 |
| nijaba | shall we move on to the next topic? | 15:15 |
| eglynn | Divakar: and great to see you on IRC, hope to see more of you guys! | 15:16 |
| eglynn | nijaba: k | 15:16 |
| nijaba | #topic Final blueprint review | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Final blueprint review (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:16 | |
| Divakar | Yeah.. this time works for me | 15:16 |
| nijaba | looking at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer | 15:16 |
| Divakar | alternate weeks works.. | 15:16 |
| eglynn | Divakar: great! | 15:16 |
| nijaba | there are quite a few bp without an assignee | 15:16 |
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| nijaba | if you intend to commit working on one, now is the time toi mark yourself as the assignee | 15:17 |
| nijaba | any non assigned bp next week will be retardgetted for H :) | 15:17 |
| eglynn | I'll take https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/remove-nova-imports | 15:17 |
| Divakar | As shared earlier with you eglynn we are looking at single common Monitoring and alerting framework that will be part of base openstack with minimal replication | 15:17 |
| eglynn | (done for libvirt, may still need some work for nova-notifier) | 15:18 |
| Divakar | To start with implementation with stardardization of the framework, model and API which works for KVM hypervisor | 15:18 |
| yjiang5_away | I plan to take https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/publisher-counters-frequency after I finished the multiple publisher work | 15:18 |
| nijaba | of course we can retarget back later to grizzly, but I want to have a better vioew on what we are commited to deliver for g | 15:18 |
| nijaba | please mark yourself as the assignee :) | 15:18 |
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| yjiang5_away | I rememeber we can't mark ourselves | 15:19 |
| eglynn | Brooklyn expressed an interest in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/horizon-plugin earlier today | 15:19 |
| yjiang5_away | only the core team can do that. | 15:19 |
| nijaba | #info if you intend to commit working on one, now is the time toi mark yourself as the assignee, any non assigned bp next week will be retardgetted for H :) | 15:19 |
| eglynn | so I assigned him to it, he'll take his initial ideas to the ML for discussion with UX experts | 15:19 |
| nijaba | in this case, feel free to ping me to assign you. | 15:19 |
| yjiang5_away | nijaba: thanks! | 15:20 |
| eglynn | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/merge-efforts-synaps is obviously mine too | 15:20 |
| eglynn | (just assigned it to me) | 15:20 |
| nijaba | thanks | 15:20 |
| eglynn | I'll use it as an umbrella BP for the sunaps work | 15:20 |
| eglynn | s/sunaps/synaps/ | 15:21 |
| llu-laptop | we'd like to take https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/monitoring-physical-devices | 15:21 |
| nijaba | #info please ping nijaba to get assigned to a blueprint | 15:21 |
| nijaba | #info and specify your launchpad id | 15:21 |
| eglynn | doesn't https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/user-api fall out of dhellman's v2 API work? | 15:22 |
| Divakar | Our intent of healthnmon also caters towards monitoring physical devices as well.. | 15:22 |
| nijaba | eglynn: no, but I have an assignee for it | 15:22 |
| yjiang5_away | eglynn: I think you need create several other BP for synaps integration, it's a big effort IMO :) | 15:22 |
| eglynn | sorry gotta drop off now ... | 15:22 |
| llu-laptop | my launchpad id is lianhao-lu | 15:22 |
| nijaba | eglynn: cheers | 15:22 |
| eglynn | I'll catch up via the IRC logs later! | 15:22 |
| eglynn | thanks all! | 15:22 |
| Divakar | data model defined should support physical devices as well | 15:23 |
| llu-laptop | Divakar: yes, we should refine the data model. | 15:23 |
| yjiang5_away | Divakar: I think we can have more discussion on this through ml? | 15:23 |
| Divakar | sure | 15:24 |
| yjiang5_away | Divakar: great. | 15:24 |
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| nijaba | now looking at https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/grizzly-2 | 15:25 |
| nijaba | This looks good to me | 15:25 |
| nijaba | any bp that we should add for this target? | 15:26 |
| nijaba | which is Jan 10, btw | 15:26 |
| jd__ | I just changed https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/python-ceilometerclient to implemented | 15:26 |
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| nijaba | jd__: great, Ill change the target to g2 then | 15:26 |
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| jd__ | I think https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/nova-independent-virt is implemented too, eglynn? | 15:26 |
| jd__ | ah eglynn is AFK | 15:27 |
| nijaba | duh, it was already g2 | 15:27 |
| jd__ | #action jd__ ask eglynn if https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/nova-independent-virt is implemented | 15:27 |
| nijaba | perfect | 15:27 |
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| nijaba | jd__: are you still confident about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/pollster-swift? | 15:28 |
| jd__ | eglynn: ^^^ feel free to answer to me or change the status if/when you'll read the backlog :-) | 15:28 |
| jd__ | nijaba: I've already a working basic thing, I'll send a patch early next week | 15:28 |
| jd__ | I want to do some more tests on it first :) | 15:29 |
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| nijaba | jd__: great | 15:29 |
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| nijaba | any news on the implementation of the new rpc model for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/use-new-rpc-messsage | 15:30 |
| nijaba | ? | 15:30 |
| jd__ | never heard of anything about this oslo side | 15:30 |
| yjiang5_away | nijaba: anyone working on it? | 15:30 |
| jd__ | nijaba: is the oslo blueprint implemented already? | 15:30 |
| nijaba | russellb is on the oslo bp | 15:31 |
| nijaba | it is marked as needs review | 15:31 |
| jd__ | ah missed the dep graph | 15:31 |
| jd__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/17965/ seems really recent | 15:32 |
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| jd__ | hum, the patch is against nova and not oslo, and has no tests | 15:33 |
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| nijaba | what about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/nova-cell-support ? any news on cell implementation? | 15:33 |
| nijaba | jd__: ok, can you get in touch with russellb to get some more info? | 15:33 |
| jd__ | #action jd__ get in touch with russellb to more info about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/use-new-rpc-messsage | 15:34 |
| russellb | hi | 15:34 |
| jd__ | yeah, that was a fast action! | 15:34 |
| jd__ | hi russellb :) | 15:34 |
| nijaba | hello russellb | 15:34 |
| russellb | so ... that patch is very close, up for review, i think it's "done" | 15:35 |
| russellb | bit of a complication with ceilometer actually | 15:35 |
| jd__ | russellb: I was looking at your patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/17965/, why is it on nova and not oslo? | 15:35 |
| russellb | it's in oslo too, the nova patch is just up so that nova tests will run against it | 15:35 |
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| russellb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/17554/ | 15:36 |
| russellb | that's the oslo patch | 15:36 |
| jd__ | russellb: ah great! | 15:36 |
| russellb | it's not going to be complete from the ceilometer perspective though, i'm afraid | 15:36 |
| russellb | it doesn't apply the message envelope to notifications right now | 15:36 |
| jd__ | ok | 15:36 |
| russellb | because i was thinking about it, and notifications are to be consumed by applications outside of openstack, and it would break all of them | 15:37 |
| jd__ | anything that's blocking doing that? | 15:37 |
| jd__ | :-/ | 15:37 |
| jd__ | has (other) oslo maintainers an opinion about this? | 15:37 |
| nijaba | russellb: but isn't the change made so that we can prevent future breakage? | 15:37 |
| russellb | but i excluded notifications before i later updated the patch to not use the message envelope by default, so we can phase it in | 15:37 |
| jd__ | s/s/ve/ | 15:37 |
| russellb | that *may* be sufficient ... | 15:37 |
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| russellb | definitely interested in your thoughts on it | 15:38 |
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| nijaba | I'd suggest raising the question on the ml so more eyes get on it | 15:38 |
| russellb | good idea, i can do that | 15:38 |
| nijaba | russellb: thanks! | 15:39 |
| jd__ | thanks russellb | 15:39 |
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| jd__ | #action russellb raises the question about Oslo notifications versionning on the ml | 15:39 |
| jd__ | :) | 15:39 |
| russellb | aside from that slightly significant complication, it's done :-p | 15:40 |
| nijaba | hehe | 15:40 |
| jd__ | that's a good first step, indeed | 15:40 |
| nijaba | ok, thatś all for me on this topic of blueprints. anything else? | 15:40 |
| nijaba | ok, moving on | 15:42 |
| nijaba | #topic Open Discussion | 15:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:42 | |
| zul | hi i have something | 15:42 |
| nijaba | zul: pelase shoot | 15:42 |
| zul | so recently pecan was added to tools/pip-requires | 15:42 |
| zul | which is fine (not packaged in ubuntu) | 15:42 |
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| zul | however it depends on a newer version of webob | 15:42 |
| zul | 1.2dev i believe which is incompatible with other openstack projects (ie: nova, glance, etc) | 15:43 |
| zul | so makes me not happy | 15:43 |
| llu-laptop | yes. That's bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1089734. | 15:43 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1089734 in ceilometer "ceilometer-collector fail to start cause no ceilometer.collector extensions found" [Undecided,New] | 15:43 |
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| jd__ | zul: that's only for version 2 of the API which is not finished, so you can also comment out that deps and be fine | 15:44 |
| nijaba | zul: dhellmann made most of these changes and is unfortunately on vaction this week. I would hope this would be fixed before g2 | 15:44 |
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| zul | jd_: ok i can live with that | 15:44 |
| jd__ | zul: you'll probably have ceilometer-api not working but ceilometer-api-v1 will be fine | 15:44 |
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| zul | nijaba: im on vacation starting tomorrow so ill put it on my todo list to talk to dhellman when i get back | 15:45 |
| nijaba | zul: great! | 15:45 |
| nijaba | So, we decided to have a Bug squashing day on Jan 4th. Any volunteer to organize it, as I will be on vacation that week | 15:45 |
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| nijaba | #action need to find a volunteer to organize bug squashing day on Jan 4th | 15:46 |
| yjiang5_away | nijaba: I'm available that day, so if any help needed, I'm available, although no experience on orgnize it | 15:47 |
| jiajun | nijaba: I also could help on it if needed | 15:47 |
| nijaba | yjiang5_away: thanks. Well hope to get more volunteers before next week | 15:47 |
| yjiang5_away | s/orginize/orgnizing/ | 15:47 |
| nijaba | jiajun: ditto | 15:48 |
| jd__ | nijaba: I can probably help too | 15:48 |
| nijaba | \o/ | 15:48 |
| jd__ | and I think dhellmann will be around too | 15:48 |
| jd__ | don't want to volunteer him, but… :) | 15:48 |
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| nijaba | so I'll send an email on the ml and we can get more on this on the ml | 15:48 |
| nijaba | any other topic, or should we end the meeting early? | 15:49 |
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| jd__ | I'm good | 15:49 |
| yjiang5_away | nijaba: k | 15:50 |
| nijaba | counting down to from 3 | 15:50 |
| nijaba | 2 | 15:50 |
| nijaba | 1 | 15:50 |
| nijaba | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 15:50 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 13 15:50:35 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-12-13-15.00.html | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-12-13-15.00.txt | 15:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-12-13-15.00.log.html | 15:50 |
| nijaba | thanks everyone! | 15:50 |
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| jaypipes | dwalleck: mornin :) | 16:54 |
| dwalleck | hey hey | 16:54 |
| * dwalleck hums "It | 16:54 | |
| dwalleck | sgrrr | 16:54 |
| dwalleck | nevermind | 16:54 |
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| jaypipes | :) | 16:56 |
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| sdague | jaypipes: holiday party happening here now, so will miss the meeting | 16:58 |
| jaypipes | sdague: no holiday for you! | 16:58 |
| Ravikumar_hp | sdague: can you please review object expiry test today. | 16:58 |
| Ravikumar_hp | Thanks for your feedback in last patch | 16:58 |
| jaypipes | sdague: before you go, though, one quick question. | 16:59 |
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| jaypipes | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 13 17:00:47 2012 UTC. The chair is jaypipes. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| davidkranz | Hi Jay. | 17:01 |
| jaypipes | #topic Proposal to add Attila (afazekas) to QA core | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Proposal to add Attila (afazekas) to QA core (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:01 | |
| jaypipes | I'd like to recognize afazekas's work in the past couple months on Tempest | 17:02 |
| jaypipes | and am proposing his inclusion into qa-core | 17:02 |
| jaypipes | I figure it's good enough to do an informal vote here | 17:02 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: +1 | 17:03 |
| dwalleck | sounds good +1 | 17:03 |
| jaypipes | If you agree with the proposal, please say so. If you have reservations or would like to hold off, please also say so | 17:03 |
| Ravikumar_hp | +1 yes. Afazekas provides valuable review feedbacks | 17:03 |
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| * jaypipes has been impressed with afazekas's ability to decipher the relationships between tempest, devstack and devstack-gate, which can be tricky! | 17:04 | |
| jaypipes | OK, well, I'll take that as a tentative agreement on Attila. I'll send a note to the QA list this afternoon asking for more feedback, and if I receive none by end of today, I will add afazekas to qa-core | 17:05 |
| jaypipes | alrighty, next topic... | 17:05 |
| jaypipes | #topic Outstanding reviews | 17:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Outstanding reviews (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:05 | |
| jaypipes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#q,status:open+project:openstack/tempest,n,z | 17:05 |
| jaypipes | We will work bottom up. | 17:05 |
| jaypipes | fungi, mordred: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/17063/ | 17:06 |
| jaypipes | fungi, mordred: any progress on this or thoughts about proceeding to getting Tempest installable via normal Python means? | 17:06 |
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| jaypipes | fungi, mordred: last I checked, there were issues because tempest had an /tempest/openstack.py module that name-interfered with tempest.openstack.common inclusion? | 17:06 |
| fungi | i'm not entirely sure what issues mordred ran into trying to add that | 17:06 |
| fungi | ahh, right, namespace problems | 17:07 |
| mordred | jaypipes: that is correct - and I have not yet had time to sort that out | 17:07 |
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| jaypipes | mordred: OK, well it has a negative review and will be auto-expired in the next couple days I believe... | 17:07 |
| jaypipes | mordred: if you want to shelve, could you mark it Work In Progress? | 17:08 |
| afazekas | Similar change added to the tempest, I did not see the concurent attempt | 17:08 |
| mordred | jaypipes: yah | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | mordred: also, a blueprint or bug would be great ;) | 17:08 |
| afazekas | the issue with that patch we have an openstack.py and openstack folder in the same location | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | afazekas: I think the review above is about pulling in the Oslo (openstack-common) packaging help | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | afazekas: right. | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | afazekas: so it will take some effort to rename the openstack.py module, since it's used virtually everywhere ;) | 17:09 |
| jaypipes | afazekas: if you're interested, mordred and fungi can provide some insight into their overall direction on that work | 17:09 |
| mordred | yes. | 17:10 |
| jaypipes | ok, anything more to add on that review? | 17:10 |
| afazekas | I am seeking for merged setup py change | 17:11 |
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| jaypipes | #action mordred to mark https://review.openstack.org/#/c/17063/ Work in Progress | 17:11 |
| jaypipes | #action afazekas to work with mordred and fungi on setup.py normalization with openstack-common | 17:11 |
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| jaypipes | alright, next one... | 17:12 |
| jaypipes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/17829/ | 17:12 |
| jaypipes | Ravikumar_hp: you're up! | 17:12 |
| Ravikumar_hp | jaypipies: object expiry testcase - resubmitted incorporating review feedback . Wish it is merged this week . | 17:12 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I think this just needs a review. | 17:12 |
| jaypipes | this is the swift object expiry test | 17:12 |
| Ravikumar_hp | i will follow up sdague to get it reviewed | 17:12 |
| Ravikumar_hp | also afazekas | 17:12 |
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| jaypipes | Ravikumar_hp: good. I will give it a stab this afternoon, as well | 17:12 |
| jaypipes | Ravikumar_hp: it looked like the initial concerns from sdague were addressed with a shorter sleep(5) call? | 17:13 |
| Ravikumar_hp | yes | 17:13 |
| jaypipes | Ravikumar_hp: Other than that, the test is essentially skipped until bug 1069849 is resolved, right? | 17:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1069849 in swift "Containers show expired objects" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1069849 | 17:13 |
| Ravikumar_hp | yes | 17:14 |
| Ravikumar_hp | also it is not gated smoke test | 17:14 |
| jaypipes | right, noted | 17:14 |
| jaypipes | Ravikumar_hp: anything more on that one? | 17:15 |
| Ravikumar_hp | no . thanks | 17:15 |
| jaypipes | np :) | 17:15 |
| jaypipes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18035/ | 17:15 |
| jaypipes | mtreinish: ping | 17:15 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: This failed with our friendly flaky server failure. Just rechecked. | 17:15 |
| jaypipes | anyone know Jaraslov Henner's IRC? | 17:15 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: which one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18035/ ? | 17:16 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Yes. | 17:16 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: hmm, that's odd... it's the glanceclient test. | 17:16 |
| jaypipes | maurosr: ping | 17:17 |
| jaypipes | maurosr: you had some concerns on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18035/ | 17:17 |
| jaypipes | maurosr: and I wanted to make sure you had your questions answered. | 17:17 |
| jaypipes | maurosr: what I believe Jaroslav is doing is correct, though a bit obtuse | 17:18 |
| jaypipes | maurosr: the set() <= set() operation is detecting whether the IDs of the added images are different from the set of "current images" from the image list call | 17:18 |
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| jaypipes | dwalleck: welcome back ;) gotta love VPNs. | 17:19 |
| dwalleck_ | yup | 17:19 |
| jaypipes | OK, well it looks like folks aren't around that need to talk about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18035/... so we'll move on. | 17:19 |
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| maurosr | jaypipes: right.. got it now, should have tested it before.. | 17:20 |
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| jaypipes | maurosr: no worries! | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18030/ | 17:20 |
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| jaypipes | I tend to agree with mtreinish about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18030/. The XML to JSON (and JSON to XML) stuff there is very fragile | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | and I'm not sure that the proposed solution really solves the bug properly. | 17:21 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz, dwalleck, afazekas, sdague: if you could give a review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18030/, that would be great. It's an XML output vs. JSON output mismatch issue. | 17:21 |
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| jaypipes | mnewby: around? | 17:22 |
| afazekas | http://docs.openstack.org/compute/api/v1.1 contains API version | 17:22 |
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| afazekas | probably this part should be differnt with different cumpute api version | 17:23 |
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| jaypipes | afazekas: sorry, I'm not following you... | 17:23 |
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| davidkranz | afazekas: That link doesn not exist | 17:23 |
| afazekas | bit it is in the xml | 17:24 |
| afazekas | and we might have multiple api version to support | 17:24 |
| afazekas | s/bit/but/ | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | Oh, I see what you're saying.... | 17:25 |
| afazekas | looks like the [compute] section does not have api_version option | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | afazekas: I think, though, in this case of the review, it's a matter of the XML translation in the volume_extensions rest client not being correct | 17:26 |
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| jaypipes | OK, well, let's move on... | 17:28 |
| jaypipes | The remaining reviews seem to be just waiting on a successful tempest gate run, so we can move on to other topics. | 17:28 |
| jaypipes | #topic Open Discussion | 17:28 |
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| jaypipes | Please feel free to bring up issues now | 17:29 |
| Ravikumar_hp | jaypipes:any idea on parallel execution or test tools | 17:29 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck_ and others: Has anyone been able to make progress on parallelization? | 17:29 |
| jaypipes | Ravikumar_hp: lol, you beat me to it :) | 17:29 |
| dwalleck_ | jaypipes: yes, I've had success with a few different options | 17:30 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck_: please do tell! :) | 17:30 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck_: Enough to make a recommendation? | 17:30 |
| dwalleck_ | The first step for all of them though requires ripping out all of our nose tags/imports | 17:30 |
| dwalleck_ | The second is refactoring some of our tests to be more efficient when run in parallel (which goes back to the patch I unsubmitted/need to submit again) | 17:31 |
| dwalleck_ | Even something as simple as writing a short python script to gather the tests and spin them up in threads/processes/greenthreads works | 17:32 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck_: the patch that breaks out some of the tests into smaller tests? | 17:32 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck_: the server actions, etc? | 17:32 |
| dwalleck_ | The problem we're going to run into isn't resource constaints test server-side, it's the fact that even though you run everything in parallel, the tests will still take as long to run as the longest running test class/module | 17:33 |
| dwalleck_ | yes | 17:33 |
| dwalleck_ | So without that, the benefits are there, but minor | 17:33 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck_: well, just getting to the state where tempest only takes as long as its longest test would be a huge accomplishment! | 17:34 |
| dwalleck_ | The only way to get around it would be to "fix" the type of parallization nose allows, but there's a good reason no one else does it: it's tricky to implement right | 17:34 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck_: Why are they minor? If the longest test takes 1 minute, that's great. | 17:34 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: heck, if it takes 5 minutes, great ;) | 17:34 |
| dwalleck_ | davidkranz: The longest running test class. In this case, that's test server actions, which alone takes well over 10 min | 17:35 |
| davidkranz | I think the big lossage now is failing to overlap actual test cases with waiting for servers. | 17:35 |
| dwalleck_ | And got much longer when I added admin actions | 17:35 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck_: So if we just break up that test we should be pretty good. | 17:35 |
| afazekas | Unfourtantly we are limited in number of VM's we can run on single machine at the same time | 17:36 |
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| dwalleck_ | Yeah, that will be about as good as it gets without resorting to other tricks such as pre-building VMs for certain tests | 17:36 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck_: We just need to make sure we don't sequentially allocate servers in a single test. | 17:36 |
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| jaypipes | afazekas: well, sure, but we aren't really hitting those issues yet... at least as far as total runtime of tempest goes. We're still a serialized execution :( | 17:36 |
| davidkranz | afazekas: If we are parallel, we can just throttle vm creation and make tests wait. | 17:37 |
| dwalleck_ | davidkranz: You can even do that (I think we do it already in the list servers test). You just don't start waiting till you've created all the servers you want, and then start waiting | 17:37 |
| afazekas | jaypipes: I am speaking about what can happen if we start every case in parallel. | 17:37 |
| jaypipes | afazekas: ah, yes indeed. | 17:38 |
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| dwalleck_ | So if no one minds me making a WIP branch, I can rip all the nose stuff out and show an example of what this could look like | 17:38 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck_: go for it. | 17:38 |
| dwalleck_ | I think we're going to need a lot more discussion, but it gives a starting point | 17:38 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck_: Yes. But once we parallelize waiting, it is not a problem any more. | 17:39 |
| dwalleck_ | sounds good | 17:39 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck_: We become limited by the resource limit. | 17:39 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck_: Which is the best we can do. | 17:39 |
| dwalleck_ | davidkranz: The resource limit can be worked around as well. Quotas are very easy to manipulate | 17:39 |
| jaypipes | something else that could significantly improve performance is this: Only do a single setup for ListXXX tests, and then execute the XML *and* JSON clients against those fixtures. Right now, we do a setUpClass() creating servers for both XML and JSON when that isn't necessary for list tests | 17:39 |
| afazekas | dwalleck_: Would be great to have some csv about how mutch time spent in every method | 17:39 |
| dwalleck_ | afazekas: I had that somewhere (you can get the same thing by using the --with-xunit option with nose) | 17:40 |
| davidkranz | afazekas: If you mean every test case you can get XML from a nosetest option | 17:40 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck_: unfortunately, the xunit output only includes tests themselves, whereas a large portion of time is spent in setUpClass and tearDownClass, and those are not represented in the timings | 17:41 |
| dwalleck_ | But the problem is that it doesn't include the time spent in fixtures, so I did some instrumentation to get some stats on how many things we build and how long we spend waiting. Those numbers seem to be the crux of the problem anyway | 17:41 |
| dwalleck_ | right | 17:41 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck_: :) right. | 17:41 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck_: Sounds like you have a good handle on this. That's great. | 17:42 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck_: I've found that reducing the build_interval from 10 to 3 speeds things up significantly. | 17:42 |
| dwalleck_ | And if my devstack environment will play nicely, I can get that. Having some odd issues with the tests hanging on deletion of floating IPs | 17:42 |
| dwalleck_ | But I'd be glad to share those numbers once I have them | 17:42 |
| jaypipes | cool. | 17:42 |
| dwalleck_ | jaypipes: In the devstack case definitely. Since the servers build so fast, it makes sense to check more often | 17:42 |
| davidkranz | Done with this topic? | 17:43 |
| davidkranz | I have been thinking about the fuzz testing. | 17:43 |
| davidkranz | Is any one actually working on that? | 17:44 |
| dwalleck_ | matt has been some with his team. Not sure about his progress though | 17:44 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck_: matt? | 17:44 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck_: in our CI cluster, our servers build out in about 6 seconds, on average... | 17:44 |
| dwalleck_ | I'll poke him to make an apperance or at least send an email out | 17:45 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck_: which means setting to 3 usually is a good target | 17:45 |
| dwalleck_ | davidkranz: matt tesauro, app sec guy who was with my group at the conference | 17:45 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck_: GOt it. | 17:45 |
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| jaypipes | dwalleck_: I've found that deleting and waiting for a converged server delete can take as much time as launching... | 17:45 |
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| jaypipes | anybody have anything more to bring up? davidkranz, I have not seen any response to my ML post about the flaky test failures :( other than sdague's response about the DNS fixes. | 17:48 |
| jaypipes | perhaps I should word it differently? or send to different group? | 17:48 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Not sure. It just seems like we see this as more important than the nova group does. | 17:48 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: We could turn on the gate :) | 17:49 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I was also thinking of trying the stress tests again. | 17:50 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: As soon as we get the bogus ERRORs out of the logs. | 17:50 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: If the problem is that machines outside of the ci invironment are too fast, stress might how the problem better. | 17:51 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: well, let's do this: let's work on the ERROR crap and cleaning up the tempest output (glanceclient logging, etc) so it's easier for nova devs to work with us in diagnosing the race conditions we see sometimes, and then I'll send another post begging for help | 17:51 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: ++ All the ERROR crap is encapsulated in nova bugs I filed. | 17:51 |
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| afazekas | I wonder how will someone use the OpenStack's json/xml REST API, if they can't read python (Openstack documentation is the source code). For example a typical java or C coder, does not know python. | 17:52 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: excellent. | 17:52 |
| jaypipes | afazekas: it's a problem, true. | 17:53 |
| jaypipes | afazekas: I believe at this point the best solution is to do the following: | 17:53 |
| jaypipes | a) Identify *very specific questions* that are unanswered or vague in the docs | 17:53 |
| davidkranz | afazekas: The start would be good, published docstrings for the python API. | 17:53 |
| jaypipes | b) Bring the specific issue to the attention of annegentle and the PTL for the project | 17:54 |
| jaypipes | c) File a bug, tagged with doc-impact | 17:54 |
| jaypipes | d) Rinse and repeat | 17:54 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Part of the issue is that in novaclient, for example, there are good docstrings for the cli but not the python API. | 17:55 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: You have to read the code to use the API, but not to use the cli. | 17:55 |
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| jaypipes | davidkranz: yep. | 17:55 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I was actually doing that today :) | 17:55 |
| jaypipes | OK all, going to end the meeting now. Please send last-minute questions or feedback to posts on the QA mailing list (I just sent out ML post about afazekas nomination to qa-core) | 17:57 |
| mnewby | jaypipes: hi | 17:57 |
| jaypipes | Good night/day/morning/weekend ;) | 17:57 |
| jaypipes | mnewby: ! there you are... | 17:57 |
| jaypipes | mnewby: closing meeting right now, but let's go to #openstack-dev to chat about the quantum test review | 17:57 |
| jaypipes | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 13 17:57:53 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2012/qa.2012-12-13-17.00.html | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2012/qa.2012-12-13-17.00.txt | 17:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2012/qa.2012-12-13-17.00.log.html | 17:57 |
| mnewby | jaypipes: sounds good | 17:58 |
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| russellb | vishy_zz: around today? | 21:00 |
| russellb | welp, might as well do this meeting thing! | 21:02 |
| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 13 21:02:14 2012 UTC. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:02 |
| russellb | who's here | 21:02 |
| dansmith | yo | 21:02 |
| ndipanov | hola | 21:02 |
| * maurosr o/ | 21:02 | |
| devananda | o/ | 21:02 |
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| vishy | hi | 21:02 |
| sdague | here, though debuging the flakey, so distracted | 21:03 |
| russellb | yay, people! | 21:03 |
| markmc | yo | 21:03 |
| russellb | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/Nova | 21:03 |
| russellb | #chair vishy | 21:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: russellb vishy | 21:03 |
| russellb | vishy: want to drive? | 21:03 |
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| russellb | well, feel free to at any point if you'd like | 21:05 |
| russellb | #topic bugs | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:05 | |
| russellb | figured we'd start with bugs since it's technically a bug squash day | 21:05 |
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| russellb | mikal put up these stats: http://www.stillhq.com/openstack/triage/nova-20121213.txt | 21:05 |
| russellb | markmc says they're bias toward showing how awesome mikal is | 21:05 |
| russellb | :) | 21:05 |
| russellb | so, who has done some bug squashing today? | 21:06 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:06 |
| russellb | I wish I could say I've done more ... hoping to put some hours into it post meeting ... | 21:06 |
| russellb | also relevant: http://wiki.openstack.org/bugstats/ | 21:06 |
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| markmc | small bit of bug triage, fixed a single bug :( | 21:07 |
| markmc | on the bug triage thing, mikal has gone through a heap of bugs | 21:07 |
| russellb | yeah looks like it | 21:07 |
| markmc | but it seems to be New -> Triaged with no comment | 21:07 |
| russellb | any revelations from triaging today? | 21:07 |
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| markmc | I always try and leave a comment | 21:07 |
| russellb | mikal: ^ | 21:07 |
| markmc | about why I think it's a valid bug or whatever | 21:07 |
| markmc | yeah, he's not here | 21:07 |
| russellb | yeah that makes sense | 21:07 |
| russellb | any specific bugs you came across worth drawing attention to? | 21:08 |
| russellb | other than "wow, there are still a lot of bugs in there, we should fix some" | 21:08 |
| markmc | not me, I mostly was asking for more info | 21:08 |
| mikal | Hmmm, I am sort of there | 21:09 |
| mikal | Here even | 21:09 |
| mikal | I didn't realize we expected a comment during triage | 21:09 |
| markmc | sorry mikal | 21:09 |
| markmc | well, we've never discussed it I guess | 21:09 |
| mikal | I've mostly be going "sure looks like a thing to me, and determining severity" | 21:09 |
| mikal | I haven't been reading the code to find the exact source of said bug though | 21:09 |
| comstud | oops, i'm here. (thought other chan was -meeting:) | 21:09 |
| mikal | I think that would take too long for triage | 21:09 |
| mikal | And is somethign I'd expect the person fixing the bug to do | 21:09 |
| mikal | But perhaps I'm wrong? | 21:09 |
| maurosr | yeah I was about to ask that | 21:10 |
| maurosr | I'm trying to get more involved in these things, so bug triage process: is just about to confirm the existence of the bug? should I be converned with an idea to fix it too | 21:10 |
| comstud | russellb: i'm squashing bugs in my new cells code. does that count? | 21:10 |
| maurosr | *concerned | 21:10 |
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| russellb | comstud: sure | 21:10 |
| mikal | If you've read the code enough to find the source of the bug, I suspect you should just fix it | 21:10 |
| markmc | mikal, most important thing probably is to make sure the person fixing the bug has enough info | 21:10 |
| russellb | comstud: actually i should say no, not until you get it merged :-p | 21:10 |
| mikal | Why drop all that state on the floor and make the next person start from scratch? | 21:10 |
| markmc | mikal, because while the bug is fresh is the best opportunity to go back and ask for more info | 21:11 |
| comstud | russellb: dang | 21:11 |
| mikal | markmc: that's a fair point | 21:11 |
| markmc | mikal, so, I try and make sure there's enough info to reproduce or debug or get a rough idea of what the bug is | 21:11 |
| markmc | mikal, and then dump everything I figured out in a comment and move on | 21:11 |
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| markmc | mikal, it can be time consuming, agreed | 21:11 |
| russellb | sort of related ... for anyone new to doing openstack bug triage, check out: http://wiki.openstack.org/BugTriage | 21:12 |
| maurosr | thanks | 21:12 |
| mikal | markmc: sure, I can do more of that | 21:12 |
| markmc | cool, was just curious what folks thought | 21:12 |
| mikal | I didn't realize we wanted to go that far with triage, but that's fine | 21:12 |
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| russellb | done with bugs? i don't have any more to talk about there ... *slaps own wrist for not triaging enough* | 21:13 |
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| russellb | heh | 21:14 |
| russellb | #topic blueprints | 21:14 |
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| russellb | let's hit status on various projects, based on who's around ... | 21:14 |
| russellb | cells! https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nova-compute-cells | 21:14 |
| comstud | woo! | 21:14 |
| russellb | comstud: eta on updates? | 21:14 |
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| comstud | i feel like i've basically rewritten it at this point | 21:15 |
| comstud | lol | 21:15 |
| russellb | lol | 21:15 |
| comstud | although not quite | 21:15 |
| comstud | anyway, i feel this is looking much better | 21:15 |
| comstud | I'm working on fixing tests | 21:15 |
| comstud | i may push up a review w/o working tests in a bit | 21:15 |
| comstud | so i can start getting some feedback | 21:15 |
| hemna | hey guys, I have a question about my blueprint for Fibre channel support in Nova | 21:15 |
| russellb | hemna: k, it's in the queue :) | 21:15 |
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| hemna | ok cool. | 21:15 |
| russellb | comstud: sure, as long as you're fairly confident test fixes won't drastically change the implementation | 21:16 |
| comstud | nod | 21:16 |
| comstud | we'll see where i get in the next couple hrs | 21:16 |
| comstud | i gotta grab lunch yet | 21:16 |
| russellb | or if it's just another day or something, could just wait | 21:16 |
| russellb | k | 21:16 |
| russellb | yes food is good | 21:16 |
| russellb | cool, well sounds like still making good progress | 21:17 |
| comstud | it's going.. it sat for a bit from being sick | 21:17 |
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| comstud | (still sick, really, but much better) | 21:17 |
| russellb | keep eyes on grizzly-2 :) | 21:17 |
| comstud | yep | 21:17 |
| russellb | cool, glad you're better this week | 21:17 |
| russellb | anything else? | 21:17 |
| comstud | eyes on the prize | 21:17 |
| russellb | yup yup | 21:17 |
| comstud | nope | 21:17 |
| russellb | k | 21:17 |
| russellb | hemna: alright, you're up, link to the blueprint? | 21:18 |
| hemna | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/libvirt-fibre-channel | 21:18 |
| hemna | so most of the content of the bp is in the cinder project | 21:18 |
| hemna | but we have to make changes in libvirt to support fibre channel | 21:18 |
| hemna | So we created a BP for nova, but linked the contents to the BP in cinder | 21:18 |
| hemna | hope that is ok | 21:18 |
| russellb | the libvirt driver you mean, right? | 21:19 |
| vishy | its fine | 21:19 |
| russellb | not libvirt itself | 21:19 |
| hemna | affirmative | 21:19 |
| russellb | cool, seems reasonable, have an ETA on the implementation? | 21:19 |
| hemna | we have a working proof of concept already | 21:19 |
| dansmith | in gerrit? | 21:19 |
| hemna | we gave a demo of it and a code review today to jgriffith | 21:19 |
| hemna | we can't submit the code to gerrit just yet | 21:20 |
| alexpilotti | hemna: do you already have changes for the nova APIs? | 21:20 |
| hemna | as we are waiting for HP legal to ok it all | 21:20 |
| hemna | no API changes needed | 21:20 |
| alexpilotti | hemna: I'm interested as we plan to support FC in Hyper-V pretty soon and it'd be great to have a common plan | 21:20 |
| hemna | the changes are pretty small actually | 21:20 |
| russellb | so perhaps we should wait on approving it for grizzly until you have approval to release code ... | 21:20 |
| hemna | the legal process is in the last stages | 21:20 |
| dansmith | and given the drop approach, maybe until we see it a little too | 21:21 |
| hemna | it could be a week or 2 | 21:21 |
| hemna | our plan was to get it in G3 | 21:21 |
| russellb | vishy: want to just approve it and set to g3? | 21:21 |
| russellb | vishy: i guess it can be pulled out later if it gets blocked | 21:21 |
| hemna | the cinder BP was approved already fwiw | 21:21 |
| russellb | ok, any other questions/issues with it for now? | 21:22 |
| hemna | we wouldn't be opposed to giving someone from the nova team a demo | 21:22 |
| russellb | or just wanted to make sure it was filed appropriately? | 21:22 |
| hemna | just as long as it's 1 or 2 folks at most | 21:22 |
| vishy | done | 21:23 |
| russellb | vishy: great thanks | 21:23 |
| hemna | just wanted to raise awareness and see if we can get the BP approved | 21:23 |
| hemna | great thanks | 21:23 |
| russellb | cool, alright, anyone else want to discuss blueprint status? | 21:23 |
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| russellb | dansmith: guess we could do a no-db-compute update | 21:24 |
| ndipanov | russellb, can I pitch my bp while I'm here | 21:24 |
| vishy | i haven't had any chance to work on the improve-block-device-handling | 21:24 |
| dansmith | russellb: sure | 21:24 |
| kmartin | alexpilotti: I work with hemna, and we have a weekly meeting with a number of companies(IBM, Brocade, EMC, etc...) to have a common solution., send me PM with your email and we can added you to the meeting if your interested | 21:24 |
| vishy | although I was wondering if maybe ndipanov wanted to take it | 21:24 |
| ndipanov | vishy, that sounds like it has smth to do with my stuff | 21:24 |
| devananda | russellb: I would like to talk about baremetal at some point (whether that's under the heading of bp or not doesn't matter) | 21:24 |
| alexpilotti | kmartin: tx | 21:24 |
| russellb | devananda: ok cool, in the queue | 21:24 |
| ndipanov | vishy, what's the bp link? | 21:25 |
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| russellb | ndipanov: want to talk about what you're doing? and then we can look at improve-block-device-handling too | 21:25 |
| ndipanov | russellb, sure | 21:25 |
| russellb | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/improve-block-device-handling | 21:25 |
| vishy | ndipanov: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/improve-block-device-handling | 21:25 |
| vishy | durn it | 21:25 |
| ndipanov | vishy thanks | 21:25 |
| russellb | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/improve-boot-from-volume | 21:25 |
| russellb | looks like we haven't approved that one yet | 21:26 |
| russellb | ndipanov: what's the status? | 21:26 |
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| ndipanov | russellb, I am waiting for cinder guys to accept an API change | 21:26 |
| ndipanov | it's an extension | 21:27 |
| ndipanov | I've pinged jgriffith about it today so it seems to be in the works | 21:27 |
| russellb | cool | 21:28 |
| ndipanov | after that, I'm planning to follow up with a change in how nova handles metadata for volumes | 21:28 |
| ndipanov | and the block device thing is actually something I will have to look into at one point | 21:28 |
| ndipanov | also might be relevant: | 21:28 |
| vishy | just approved the bp | 21:28 |
| vishy | set it for g-3 since there a bunch of steps | 21:28 |
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| * ndipanov looking for a bug | 21:29 | |
| ndipanov | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1075971 | 21:29 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1075971 in nova "Attach volume with libvirt disregards target device but still reserves it" [Undecided,New] | 21:29 |
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| ndipanov | so russellb that's what;s coming from me in the next week or so | 21:30 |
| russellb | ndipanov: great | 21:30 |
| russellb | ndipanov: want to assign yourself improve-block-device-handling for now as well? | 21:30 |
| russellb | tentatively at least :) | 21:31 |
| russellb | if you might end up working on parts of it anyway | 21:31 |
| ndipanov | yeah - I'll have to brush on it | 21:31 |
| ndipanov | tentatively - yes! :) | 21:31 |
| russellb | ok, assigned | 21:32 |
| ndipanov | and if I get snowed in, I'll scream for help :) | 21:32 |
| russellb | excellent | 21:32 |
| russellb | either if it doesn't end up overlapping with your work, or you don't have the time, etc | 21:32 |
| russellb | scream then too ... anyway, i'm not worried :) | 21:32 |
| ndipanov | makes sense sice I would have to figure out bits of it | 21:32 |
| russellb | ok, next blueprint ... baremetal! | 21:32 |
| russellb | devananda: annnnnnd go | 21:33 |
| devananda | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/general-bare-metal-provisioning-framework | 21:33 |
| devananda | so there's been a lot of good feedback on the main reviews recently | 21:33 |
| devananda | i'm really hoping that they can get approved soon | 21:33 |
| devananda | a few major (valid) concerns were raised with both of the new binaries | 21:34 |
| devananda | i created a new BP to explain our intent to rewrite one of those, hopefully enough to allow nova-baremetal-deploy-helper to land so we can use it while we rewrite it | 21:34 |
| russellb | slippery slope there :) | 21:35 |
| russellb | what's the major concern that has to be deferred? | 21:35 |
| devananda | indeed. and if that's not acceptable, we can live with keeping some things out of trunk | 21:35 |
| devananda | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/improve-baremetal-pxe-deploy | 21:36 |
| devananda | it's explained there :) | 21:36 |
| devananda | if the main patches (11354, 11088) can land, the others are either very small, or less important | 21:36 |
| russellb | ah, the desired approach there is quite fundamentally different | 21:37 |
| devananda | yes. we definitely won't have the desired approach for scalable deployments by grizzly... | 21:37 |
| russellb | ok, i just want to be careful on mass disruption to the user base | 21:37 |
| russellb | could document it as experimental in grizzly if it comes to it and likely subject to major changes | 21:37 |
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| russellb | just need to set proper expectations | 21:38 |
| lifeless | +1 | 21:38 |
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| devananda | sure. and to reiterate, that experimental bit refers only to the deploy process, not the rest of the driver :) | 21:38 |
| russellb | cool | 21:38 |
| russellb | so, who's reviewing the major patches? | 21:38 |
| russellb | (from nova-core) | 21:38 |
| russellb | well, and not nova-core | 21:38 |
| dansmith | I had been in the past, and need to get back to it | 21:39 |
| dansmith | I think sdague had some comments recently | 21:39 |
| russellb | ok great, just would like to see major patches have at least 1 nova-core "sponsor" that's looking after it, and helping to keep it moving | 21:39 |
| devananda | we've had various people come in at different times to give input, but i dont think anyone has consistenty stuck around :( | 21:39 |
| sdague | I was going through baremetal, I'll take another whack at it tomorrow | 21:39 |
| devananda | sdague: thanks much | 21:40 |
| russellb | great, thanks a lot guys | 21:40 |
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| russellb | anything else on baremetal this week? | 21:40 |
| devananda | just chugging along, getting closer to running CI but not quite there yet | 21:40 |
| devananda | that's all | 21:40 |
| russellb | cool thanks! | 21:41 |
| russellb | so, how about the get-password blueprint | 21:41 |
| russellb | vishy: ^ | 21:41 |
| russellb | alexpilotti requested this as a topic last week, and we punted to this week | 21:41 |
| vishy | that is going well | 21:41 |
| vishy | ah ok | 21:41 |
| alexpilotti | russellb: tx | 21:41 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: I saw that your patch is close to approval and as I said I plan to to support it in the Windows cloud-init | 21:42 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: I laso think that it's an almost mandatory way to go for some driver's, e.g. baremetal | 21:43 |
| russellb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/17274 | 21:43 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: while on Hyper-V, KVM and probably other hypervisors we have more options | 21:43 |
| russellb | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/get-password | 21:43 |
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| alexpilotti | there are quite a lot of reasons why guest access to the metadata APIs is problematic | 21:43 |
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| alexpilotti | at least on Hyper-V we could exploit the KVP exchange to pass small data from the guest to the host | 21:44 |
| russellb | alexpilotti: so are you pretty much just in strong agreement with the feature? :) | 21:44 |
| alexpilotti | I could implement it as an Hyper-V only feature, but I think that it could be applied to KVM and more | 21:45 |
| alexpilotti | I'd like to know your opinion about this | 21:46 |
| alexpilotti | before going to do a bp | 21:46 |
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| vishy | "exploit the kvp exchange" | 21:46 |
| vishy | ? | 21:46 |
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| vishy | i don't know what you mean by this | 21:47 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: sure | 21:47 |
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| alexpilotti | there's a feature in Hyper-V called KVP Exchange, I'm looking for a link to sone doc | 21:47 |
| lifeless | alexpilotti: the metadata APIs exist solely for guest access. Whats problematic about it ? | 21:47 |
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| alexpilotti | it's a simple communication channel where a dictionary can be shared between host and guest | 21:48 |
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| alexpilotti | lifeless: not for updates | 21:48 |
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| alexpilotti | beside that, we are preferriing teh ConfigDrive | 21:49 |
| alexpilotti | which enables us to ditch the metadata API altogether | 21:49 |
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| lifeless | alexpilotti: thats interesting. For baremetal we want to depend exclusively on the metadata API | 21:49 |
| lifeless | :) | 21:50 |
| alexpilotti | having to support metadata API for password update brings the issue back | 21:50 |
| alexpilotti | lifeless: that's why at the beginning I said that for baremetal there's almost no other option ;-) | 21:50 |
| alexpilotti | but for the rest, there's hope :-D | 21:50 |
| alexpilotti | KVM has VMChannel | 21:50 |
| russellb | ok, so is it ok to move to the next topic? otherwise, let's punt this to the mailing list if it needs more discussion | 21:51 |
| alexpilotti | Hyper-V has the KVP exchange | 21:51 |
| lifeless | alexpilotti: ok. Well, I guess from my perspsective if we having the metadata service reliably, we should fix whatever issues there are in it, rather than saying that baremetal will be second class. | 21:51 |
| russellb | 9 minutes left | 21:51 |
| lifeless | -> list IMO. | 21:51 |
| vishy | yes list | 21:51 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: ok | 21:51 |
| russellb | great thanks guys | 21:51 |
| russellb | dansmith: no-db-compute, go! | 21:51 |
| vishy | host-guest communication channel discussion ftw :) | 21:51 |
| dansmith | so, | 21:52 |
| dansmith | with these patches approved: | 21:52 |
| dansmith | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/no-db-compute-manager,n,z | 21:52 |
| dansmith | we'll have all of virtapi's database stuff directed at conductor | 21:52 |
| dansmith | which leaves just whatever remains in compute/manager.py for finishing no-db-compute-manager, | 21:52 |
| dansmith | which is pretty good progress, IMHO | 21:52 |
| russellb | cool, and our goal with that milestone is grizzly-2 | 21:53 |
| russellb | (all of compute/manager.py not hitting the db directly) | 21:53 |
| dansmith | I think that there are probably some gotchas that prevent that from being the end of no-db-compute, but I haven't surveyed other stuff yet | 21:53 |
| russellb | nice work dansmith, really appreciate all of your help | 21:53 |
| dansmith | something that someone asked me the other day, is whether no-db-compute includes nova-network, and my answer was no | 21:53 |
| dansmith | agree? | 21:53 |
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| russellb | yes, agree | 21:54 |
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| dansmith | cool, so I expect early in january, I'll have a better idea of what's really remaining before we can close the faucet to nova-compute | 21:54 |
| russellb | biggest gotcha remaining is the servicegroup api I believe | 21:54 |
| dansmith | okay | 21:54 |
| ndipanov | russellb, dansmith I saw a patch a few days ago that attempts to bring back db access - should we ping u guys when we see such stuff | 21:54 |
| russellb | yeah, or just -1 it :) | 21:55 |
| dansmith | ndipanov: sure, what patch was it? | 21:55 |
| ndipanov | one sec | 21:55 |
| russellb | but one of us can help guide other ways to do whatever the patch wants to do | 21:55 |
| dansmith | sure | 21:55 |
| ndipanov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/17716/ | 21:55 |
| ndipanov | yeah the patch was ok | 21:55 |
| russellb | ndipanov: thanks for looking out | 21:55 |
| dansmith | ndipanov: I'll look, thanks | 21:56 |
| dansmith | russellb: I wanna make sure we get to maurosr's last item on the list | 21:56 |
| dansmith | er, on the agenda I mean | 21:56 |
| russellb | k, let's hit it now | 21:56 |
| ndipanov | I mentioned it a bit but I am not too deep into no-db-compute so might have been misleading them :) | 21:56 |
| alaski | The patch is mine, I'm in progress on removing db access. | 21:56 |
| dansmith | alaski: sweet :) | 21:56 |
| russellb | alaski: great, thanks! | 21:56 |
| russellb | alaski: ping us if you want to discuss it in any detail (outside of meeting) | 21:56 |
| russellb | #topic requiring api-samples tests with new extensions | 21:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "requiring api-samples tests with new extensions (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:56 | |
| alaski | russellb: cool, thanks. | 21:56 |
| maurosr | ok, it's really a quick and simple question: there are some new extension comming up, should we -1 if the new extension doesn't include api-samples? | 21:57 |
| russellb | i think that seems reasonable | 21:57 |
| * dansmith votes hell yes | 21:57 | |
| russellb | the api samples tests have come along quite a bit, it has gained "critical mass" i'd say | 21:57 |
| maurosr | the alternative is ask the owner to report a bug about it and link with the api-samples bp | 21:57 |
| russellb | so seems acceptable to require it from now on IMO | 21:57 |
| dansmith | I think it should be required, not optional with a bug | 21:57 |
| russellb | +1 | 21:58 |
| dansmith | should be just part of the onus of adding something | 21:58 |
| russellb | any disagreements on that? | 21:58 |
| russellb | more agreements are good too :) | 21:58 |
| * dansmith dubs maurosr the official api_samples policeman | 21:58 | |
| russellb | for the record! | 21:58 |
| russellb | ha, excellent | 21:58 |
| alaski | Is there any documentation on how to do that? I recently went through it and it was not fun to figure out. | 21:58 |
| maurosr | hehe.. | 21:58 |
| dansmith | maurosr: go forth, and -1 :D | 21:58 |
| maurosr | alaski: 1 min | 21:58 |
| maurosr | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nova-api-samples | 21:59 |
| maurosr | alaski: ^ it describes the whole process | 21:59 |
| dansmith | alaski: it is detailed pretty well at the bottom, | 21:59 |
| russellb | #agreed those around all agreed with requiring API samples tests with new extensions | 21:59 |
| dansmith | alaski: and we have a lot of folks with battle scars, so feel free to poke us for help | 21:59 |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 21:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:59 | |
| russellb | we have a whole 1 minute for open discussion | 21:59 |
| * clarkb plugs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18003/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/15078/ while nova people are around. 15078 should pass tests once 18003 merges. I will rebase 15078 once 18003 is merged | 21:59 | |
| markmc | #info just released Nova 2012.2.2! http://wiki.openstack.org/ReleaseNotes/2012.2.2 | 22:00 |
| russellb | markmc: \o/ | 22:00 |
| russellb | clarkb: testr stuff? | 22:00 |
| markmc | no moar regressions plz | 22:00 |
| clarkb | russellb: yes | 22:00 |
| clarkb | 15078 adds testr to nvoa and 18003 fixes a test that breaks under testr once in a while | 22:00 |
| russellb | clarkb: yay for faster tests :) | 22:00 |
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| russellb | ok, we're over time ... | 22:01 |
| russellb | thanks everyone, feel free to chat in #openstack-nova for any spill over | 22:01 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 13 22:01:32 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-12-13-21.02.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-12-13-21.02.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-12-13-21.02.log.html | 22:01 |
| alaski | maurosr dansmith: thanks | 22:01 |
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| devananda | anyone around for the db meeting? | 22:08 |
| dripton | hi | 22:09 |
| devananda | heya. i was about to say, let's reconvene after the holidays | 22:10 |
| dripton | ok | 22:10 |
| dripton | I'm working on db-archiving; not much else to report | 22:10 |
| devananda | ah, and i need to get you those samples! | 22:10 |
| * devananda slaps his own wrist for being so distracted | 22:11 | |
| russellb | life happens | 22:12 |
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