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| jsavak | #startmeeting Keystone Weekly Status | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 17 18:00:13 2012 UTC. The chair is jsavak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Keystone Weekly Status)" | 18:00 | |
| jsavak | #link Agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:00 |
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| jsavak | #link Essex-3 status: https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/essex-3 | 18:01 |
| jsavak | Who is here for the Keystone weekly meeting? | 18:01 |
| gyee | me | 18:01 |
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| jsavak | Hi gyee! | 18:01 |
| gyee | the service endpoint location blueprint will not make E3 | 18:01 |
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| gyee | I am actively working on the keystone domains blueprint | 18:01 |
| zns | o/ | 18:02 |
| jsavak | Ok - i think we untagged that a while back | 18:02 |
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| jsavak | gyee - ok. We have another meeting before e-3 freeze so may be I'll leave it as it is for now | 18:07 |
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| jsavak | next week if it seems that domains is close to making the 1/26 date, we can target it as e-3 | 18:07 |
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| jsavak | sound ok? | 18:07 |
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| gyee | sure | 18:07 |
| jsavak | #note Keystone domains is being worked on by gyee and may be ready for E3. Status check next week to determine if E3 is a realistic milestone for it | 18:08 |
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| gyee | can we do the domains feature in phases, as long as it doesn't impact backward compatibility? | 18:09 |
| gyee | the scope is pretty big as far as I can tell | 18:09 |
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| jsavak | Yes - since it's an extension maybe just having a minimially viable scope would be a good first step | 18:09 |
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| gyee | sounds good, I'll put together a proposal, thanks | 18:10 |
| jsavak | no problem | 18:10 |
| jsavak | Any other comments or issues for Keystone? | 18:10 |
| jsavak | Overall E3 is looking good and we don't see any blockers | 18:11 |
| jsavak | Thanks gyee for the status update | 18:11 |
| gyee | no problem | 18:12 |
| jsavak | #endmeeting | 18:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Meetings: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/" | 18:12 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 17 18:12:10 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-17-18.00.html | 18:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-17-18.00.txt | 18:12 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-17-18.00.log.html | 18:12 |
| zns | jsavak: thanks for running the meeting! | 18:13 |
| jsavak | zns - no problem | 18:13 |
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| notmyname | hi | 19:59 |
| ttx | o/ | 19:59 |
| jk0 | hi | 19:59 |
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| jbryce | hello | 19:59 |
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| jbryce | #startmeeting | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 17 20:00:12 2012 UTC. The chair is jbryce. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 20:00 |
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| jbryce | who all is here? | 20:00 |
| ewanmellor | Ready and willing | 20:00 |
| * jk0 | 20:00 | |
| * ttx | 20:00 | |
| jbryce | ewanmellor: but are you able? | 20:00 |
| mtaylor | o/ | 20:01 |
| ewanmellor | Less able than I was when I was younger. I have to settle for "willing" these days. | 20:01 |
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| jbryce | ewanmellor: ha | 20:01 |
| johnpur | o/ | 20:01 |
| anotherjesse | o/ | 20:02 |
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| jbryce | joshuamckenty, anotherjesse, vishy, pvo, zns: here? | 20:02 |
| anotherjesse | and vishy is here | 20:02 |
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| jbryce | agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/PPB | 20:02 |
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| jbryce | first couple of items were requested by josh, so maybe we skip to m2crypto and give him time to arrive | 20:03 |
| jbryce | #topic M2Crypto options | 20:03 |
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| jbryce | mtaylor: want to lead this one? | 20:03 |
| mtaylor | totally | 20:04 |
| joshuamckenty | hey, sorry I was late | 20:04 |
| zns | zns here | 20:04 |
| anotherjesse | our use is pretty small at the moment | 20:04 |
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| anotherjesse | we could just shell out to openssh .... | 20:04 |
| joshuamckenty | gah | 20:04 |
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| joshuamckenty | we USED to do that, and replaced it with m2 | 20:04 |
| mtaylor | m2 seems to be a pretty good lib - other than the abandoned part, yeah? | 20:05 |
| joshuamckenty | I like the idea of reviving m2crypto if it's paid for by HP | 20:05 |
| johnpur | :) | 20:05 |
| mtaylor | yeah - I certainly don't mind doing the work on it (or making someone else do the work) | 20:06 |
| anotherjesse | it is only used for the EC2 x509 cert stuff - we originally wrote it shelling to openssh | 20:06 |
| joshuamckenty | it's used in cloudpipe as well, IIRC | 20:06 |
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| anotherjesse | switching back to not using m2crypto should be pretty easy | 20:06 |
| joshuamckenty | but I don't think anyone uses cloudpipe anymore | 20:06 |
| ttx | is there another better-maintained Python lib to do that ? | 20:06 |
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| anotherjesse | joshuamckenty: xtoddx- has been rewriting in openstack | 20:06 |
| joshuamckenty | yeah, I saw the bastion-host notes | 20:07 |
| ewanmellor | You all mean openssl, no? For x509 processing? | 20:07 |
| mtaylor | there was also the thought of moving people away from pycryto so that we used m2 in all the places we use pycrypto too | 20:07 |
| ttx | ewanmellor: yes | 20:07 |
| joshuamckenty | one dependency is better than two | 20:07 |
| mtaylor | Paul McMillan was suggesting that he thought that would be a good idea a little while ago | 20:07 |
| ttx | ewanmellor: (if they don't, that's what they should mean) | 20:07 |
| joshuamckenty | is m2crypto > pycrypto ? | 20:08 |
| mtaylor | that's what paul was asserting | 20:08 |
| anotherjesse | other than x509 it is used in ./nova/virt/xenapi/vmops.py | 20:08 |
| anotherjesse | everwhere else already does shells out to openssh | 20:08 |
| joshuamckenty | openssl | 20:08 |
| anotherjesse | vishy doesn't want m2crypto either | 20:09 |
| anotherjesse | we both prefer removing it as a dependency if we have this issue | 20:09 |
| joshuamckenty | is that because of packaging bugs? | 20:10 |
| anotherjesse | m2crypto has always been a pain | 20:10 |
| anotherjesse | the value we get out of it so small | 20:10 |
| joshuamckenty | esp. for mac dev environments :) | 20:10 |
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| _0x44 | One thing... nova has paramiko as a requirement and paramiko depends on pycrypto... | 20:10 |
| mtaylor | well, packaging bugs/bugs in setup.py are the thing that brought it to mind - but we have no way to fix upstream bugs of any sort at the moment | 20:10 |
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| joshuamckenty | well, if it's a nova dependency only, it seems like a PTL call | 20:11 |
| ttx | Shelling out to openssl would be ugly if we didn't shell out in lots of places already | 20:11 |
| mtaylor | it's less work from my end to just stop using it - and yeah, that's totally a vish call | 20:11 |
| joshuamckenty | I prefer libraries to shelling out in general, but it's a loosely held opinion | 20:11 |
| ttx | joshuamckenty: I agree with that, when a valid lib exists. | 20:12 |
| anotherjesse | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/crypto.py#L124 <- in the same file we already use it | 20:12 |
| mtaylor | so shall I just file a bug requesting m2crypto removal from nova? | 20:12 |
| jk0 | +1 | 20:12 |
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| joshuamckenty | anotherjesse: if you git blame that, is it mine? | 20:12 |
| mtaylor | (that's so much less work on my part) | 20:12 |
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| ttx | mtaylor: sounds more reasonable than aopting M2Crypto under openstack core infra | 20:13 |
| ttx | adopting* | 20:13 |
| mtaylor | great! | 20:13 |
| joshuamckenty | mtaylor: +0 | 20:13 |
| notmyname | -1 to that | 20:13 |
| LinuxJedi | mtaylor: happy to take that one once you file it | 20:13 |
| joshuamckenty | notmyname: you'd rather fix the library? | 20:13 |
| notmyname | (adopting m2crypto into openstack) | 20:13 |
| joshuamckenty | oh, right | 20:13 |
| johnpur | ok by me to removal | 20:13 |
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| joshuamckenty | notmyname: we're voting the reverse - gut m2crypto use | 20:13 |
| ewanmellor | Doesn't anyone fancy taking it over, outside of OpenStack infrastructure? Just maintain it like any other open-source project? | 20:13 |
| mtaylor | thanks LinuxJedi | 20:13 |
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| joshuamckenty | ewanmellor: I'll propose that to CloudPassage | 20:13 |
| notmyname | joshuamckenty: it's a nova-only thing so its use is, as you said, a ptl issue | 20:14 |
| joshuamckenty | it's kind of outside our focus, really | 20:14 |
| notmyname | indeed | 20:14 |
| johnpur | just so Monty has a clear directive from Vish, or whatever | 20:14 |
| jbryce | sounds like there's no real interest in taking it over so it just falls back to the project to decide about taking it out | 20:14 |
| mtaylor | yup. as long as we decide that we don't want to take it under our wing, the rest I can take up with vish. thanks! | 20:14 |
| joshuamckenty | Next topic? | 20:15 |
| jbryce | #topic ppb role in foundation | 20:15 |
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| joshuamckenty | Right | 20:15 |
| jbryce | joshuamckenty: did you have anything specific in mind on this one? | 20:15 |
| joshuamckenty | There were some comments on the foundation list about whether we should be reviewing / juggling the governance structure prior to foundation formation | 20:15 |
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| joshuamckenty | I know the issue of jbryce, anotherjesse, johnpur and myself having appointed seats has come up repeatedly | 20:16 |
| ttx | joshuamckenty: opening more seats to election ? | 20:16 |
| ttx | (or all ?) | 20:16 |
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| joshuamckenty | Personally, I don't see this as something that needs to get changed prior to the foundation setup, but I should probably excuse myself from the vote :) | 20:16 |
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| jbryce | honestly, i'd rather focus on figuring out what changes we want in the foundation and move as quickly as we can on that than trying to push changes to existing--lightly used anyway--structure | 20:16 |
| zns | +1 | 20:17 |
| mtaylor | +1 | 20:17 |
| ttx | joshuamckenty: unfortunately the PPB doesn't own its own governance, so we can't vote to change that | 20:17 |
| joshuamckenty | well, I would respect a PPB vote to have me give up my seat | 20:17 |
| joshuamckenty | so in that sense, we do | 20:17 |
| anotherjesse | ttx: we can't vote to appoint ourselves dictators for life :( | 20:17 |
| johnpur | jbryce: is the foundation thinking far enough along to have this discussion? | 20:17 |
| joshuamckenty | The PPB is currently the closest thing to what the foundation board is likely to look like | 20:18 |
| johnpur | at some poiont we will need a transition plan | 20:18 |
| ttx | jbryce: I think opening all seats would be a step forward towards a full meritocracy though -- and we don't have an idea of when the foundation will be set up, yet | 20:18 |
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| joshuamckenty | so I'm curious if we feel any specific responsibilities towards foundation-establishment | 20:18 |
| joshuamckenty | as a group, I mean | 20:18 |
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| joshuamckenty | I'm personally fairly involved with it | 20:18 |
| joshuamckenty | but not in the PPB context | 20:19 |
| jbryce | ttx: that's based on the assumption that voting is automatically a better result which you yourself told me you don't fully agree with at the last conference | 20:19 |
| anotherjesse | not sure that PTLs would want to be on the governance board of the foundataion… speaking not as one | 20:19 |
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| jbryce | johnpur: we've said that there will be a technical body in the foundation similar to the ppb | 20:19 |
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| joshuamckenty | ttx: I'm also not convinced that a full meritocracy is either ideal or likely for the foundation | 20:19 |
| ttx | jbryce: you can't blame RAX for getting people elecrted, but you can blame Rackspace for having the power to appoint | 20:19 |
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| joshuamckenty | since the community itself is largely (exclusively) a business ecosystem | 20:19 |
| zns | We talked about the governance of the foundation being separate from the technical governance. So PTLs would probably be more keen on technical governance, IMO. | 20:20 |
| joshuamckenty | zns: good point | 20:20 |
| johnpur | zns: agree | 20:20 |
| ttx | joshuamckenty: the solution would be to have a board of directors that is separate from the technical meritocracy | 20:20 |
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| jbryce | i think it makes sense to have a discussion about what the technical governance body should look like in our opinion, but that will also be a discussion that the broader community will have input on as well | 20:20 |
| mtaylor | what jbryce just said is my only important concern ... I want to make sure there is a technical meritocracy body to take questions like the m2crypto question to. I certainly don't mind there also being a business-focused board as well | 20:20 |
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| joshuamckenty | mtaylor: +1 | 20:20 |
| joshuamckenty | so my only concern is getting a better balance in the technical board | 20:21 |
| ttx | the problem being, the current PPB kinda has the double role | 20:21 |
| joshuamckenty | I think the PTL mechanism isn't that useful for a set of projects at different lifecycle points | 20:21 |
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| notmyname | joshuamckenty: balance in what way? | 20:21 |
| ttx | joshuamckenty: we could have quotas from a given company ? | 20:21 |
| joshuamckenty | nova is 80% of the active development, no? | 20:21 |
| joshuamckenty | no, I meant across projects | 20:21 |
| jbryce | ttx: i'd be happy to blame rax if i felt damaging decisions were coming from that power. can you point to specifics that have damaged the community or the developers? | 20:21 |
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| ttx | joshuamckenty: i.e. they can't own more than 49% of the seats ? | 20:21 |
| joshuamckenty | I'm worried about company quotas on the board, not so much on technology | 20:22 |
| ttx | jbryce: people that are afraid of this power look at the future more than at the past | 20:22 |
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| notmyname | joshuamckenty: do you think that means that nova needs more or less representation on a tech board? | 20:23 |
| joshuamckenty | notmyname: I sort of feel like nova needs proportional representation - e.g., more. | 20:23 |
| joshuamckenty | to account for nova-volumes and nova-network | 20:23 |
| ttx | joshuamckenty: you can have one seat reserved by project (kinda PTL) + the rest elected from the global community of dev | 20:23 |
| jbryce | joshuamckenty: that tends to leave the smaller projects underrepresented who have a different perspective and need sometimes | 20:24 |
| joshuamckenty | but again, the projects aren't equal in size, community interest, or lifecycle | 20:24 |
| ttx | Anyway, we are discussing foundation structure now | 20:24 |
| joshuamckenty | no | 20:24 |
| joshuamckenty | we're discussing the role that the PPB should have in establishing it | 20:24 |
| joshuamckenty | if any | 20:24 |
| zns | joshuamckenty: what does a better balance on the technical board get you? What problem are you trying to solve? Does Nova have a problem they are facing because of underrepresentation? | 20:24 |
| jbryce | the other question is does every ptl get a seat forever? what if we end up with a dozen projects, does the technical body grow infinitely? | 20:24 |
| notmyname | joshuamckenty: is nova getting forced into decisions now that it wouldn't if it had more representation? | 20:24 |
| joshuamckenty | yes to both | 20:24 |
| zns | joshuamckenty: elaborate? | 20:25 |
| joshuamckenty | nova has the bulk of the work from any openstack-wide technical decisions | 20:25 |
| jbryce | yes to both of my comments or ziad's? = ) | 20:25 |
| joshuamckenty | yes to zns and notmyname | 20:25 |
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| joshuamckenty | multithreading | 20:25 |
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| ttx | jbryce: I think I would rather have project representatives present at the meetings, but with no voting power if they weren't elected | 20:25 |
| anotherjesse | joshuamckenty: vishy and I think the rest of the projects have been pretty supportive of project wide issues | 20:26 |
| anotherjesse | joshuamckenty: can you give examples? | 20:26 |
| joshuamckenty | paste | 20:26 |
| zns | What about multithreading? * not arguing, just missing info * | 20:26 |
| ttx | and have true elections over the whole corpus of openstack developers, no per-project seat | 20:26 |
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| jbryce | zns: i think he was just referring to multiple conversations threads | 20:26 |
| joshuamckenty | yeah, sorry | 20:26 |
| joshuamckenty | I am multithreading | 20:26 |
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| zns | ah. Got it. | 20:26 |
| jbryce | ttx: so elected voting members and PTLs are ex-officio? | 20:27 |
| joshuamckenty | Anyway, technical board composition I think we can solve going forward. Is that something the PPB wants to put a proposal forward on? | 20:27 |
| ttx | if they didn't get elected, PTLs should be present, but not have voting powers | 20:27 |
| joshuamckenty | E.g., do we think that's a role we play in foundation discussions? | 20:27 |
| ttx | joshuamckenty: as a group ? | 20:28 |
| joshuamckenty | yes | 20:28 |
| jbryce | joshuamckenty: i think it would be very relevant for us to talk about this specifically | 20:28 |
| ttx | if we agreed on something, we... could | 20:28 |
| ttx | but we also can as individual members | 20:28 |
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| jbryce | we've probably all seen plenty of the problems and areas for improvement | 20:28 |
| joshuamckenty | So I see three key topics the PPB could weigh in on... | 20:28 |
| joshuamckenty | 1. Technical board composition, representation, etc. | 20:28 |
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| joshuamckenty | 2. OpenStack as implementation and not standards | 20:29 |
| joshuamckenty | 3. OpenStack as IaaS | 20:29 |
| joshuamckenty | the third is, e.g., clarifying the openstack mission statement | 20:29 |
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| ttx | joshuamckenty: it seems simpler to weigh in the general foundation discussion as individuals with influence | 20:29 |
| ttx | rather than try to come up with some lazy consensus among all PPB members | 20:29 |
| joshuamckenty | well, the first might be good to have a PPB lazy consensus | 20:29 |
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| joshuamckenty | since it would represent the current-best-effort | 20:30 |
| joshuamckenty | Do we feel we own responsibility for a transition plan? Jointly with whomever/whatever the foundation is? | 20:30 |
| ttx | joshuamckenty: so we would discuss that on our mailing-list rather than on the foundation ml ? | 20:30 |
| joshuamckenty | Or cc both of them < ttx | 20:31 |
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| joshuamckenty | Is everyone on the PPB also on the foundaotion mailing list? | 20:31 |
| ttx | joshuamckenty: I'll be happy to weigh in on any discussion about tech board composition, on whatever ML | 20:31 |
| notmyname | once the foundation is in the later stages (ie we have a pretty good idea of what it will look like), IMO we have the responsibility to be a part of a smooth transition | 20:31 |
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| notmyname | joshuamckenty: I'm not on the foundation list | 20:31 |
| joshuamckenty | I would feel uncomfortable drawing conclusions about PPB dynamics without knowing that everyone else was involved | 20:31 |
| ttx | I already did start a discussion on that on the foundation ML, but almost nobody picked it up | 20:32 |
| zns | joshuamckenty: I'm not on the foundation ml. Not looking to be either unless I am called upon... | 20:32 |
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| jbryce | i think these topics are important to have in the broader discussions, but i would appreciate thoughts based on the last year of this PPB experiment from all of you who i'm sure have opinions | 20:32 |
| jbryce | = ) | 20:32 |
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| jbryce | and i read the messages to the both lists so wherever it happens is fine with me | 20:33 |
| joshuamckenty | For context, can we get some numbers from stefano about contributor's / committers to each project? | 20:33 |
| notmyname | zns: +1 | 20:33 |
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| jk0 | we need to make sure those numbers are accurate :) | 20:33 |
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| joshuamckenty | Alright, if I start a rant about tech board composition with ttx, I'll make sure it's cc'd to both foundation ML and PPB ML | 20:33 |
| mtaylor | joshuamckenty: I also want to take soren's participation numbers from a few months ago and expand them into a few regular reports | 20:34 |
| ttx | "I'll be ranting with you" | 20:34 |
| mtaylor | since we can get some really accurate numbers about committers from gerrit pretty easily | 20:34 |
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| joshuamckenty | Anyone else feel we have foundation responsibilities? Either in definition, in transition, or ongoing? | 20:34 |
| jbryce | what if we start with a reasonable proposal before we go straight to a rant | 20:34 |
| joshuamckenty | As a group, not as individuals. | 20:34 |
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| jbryce | it sounds like there's some pretty common ground | 20:34 |
| joshuamckenty | jbryce: I'm down with that | 20:34 |
| jbryce | joshuamckenty: i think transition definitely...we've got some projects in incubation | 20:35 |
| joshuamckenty | I'd like to see us decouple (a little bit) the "openstack core" definition with PPB membership / PTL status | 20:35 |
| jbryce | but my guess is that since 10 of 14 seats are currently elected, the make up will be fairly similar | 20:35 |
| mtaylor | joshuamckenty ++ | 20:35 |
| joshuamckenty | like what ttx is suggesting vis-a-vis ex-officio for PTLs that haven't been elected yet, | 20:36 |
| joshuamckenty | but also allowing PPB participation for really LARGE incubated projects | 20:36 |
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| mtaylor | and not getting swamped as we collect things like client libraries and the like | 20:36 |
| zns | joshuamckenty: define LARGE. Lines of code or importance? … slippery | 20:37 |
| joshuamckenty | agreed | 20:37 |
| notmyname | joshuamckenty: in other words, be decent grown-ups and talk to each other? | 20:37 |
| ttx | I'd rather have more area-specific technical leads and less PPB members | 20:37 |
| joshuamckenty | Well, just thinking about nova-volumes again | 20:38 |
| joshuamckenty | Wanting to make sure it's got solid tech board representation even BEFORE it gets carved off from nova | 20:38 |
| joshuamckenty | since API definition, etc. is all happening inside nova, but will end up being a point of cross-project integration | 20:39 |
| zns | Sounds like Large would probably be defined by the PPB. And since they're voting on incubation, there caveat for LARGE is unnecessary… | 20:39 |
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| jbryce | we've got 20 minutes left and i'd love to get to the last agenda item | 20:39 |
| zns | i.e. vot in or out. Size doesn't matter ( in this case ) | 20:39 |
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| zns | vote | 20:39 |
| joshuamckenty | Let's do it | 20:39 |
| jbryce | can we make starting a mailing thread the action of this? | 20:40 |
| joshuamckenty | zns: I just want them decouipled | 20:40 |
| jbryce | #topic Essex release check | 20:40 |
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| joshuamckenty | yeah | 20:40 |
| zns | joshuamckenty: not against that. For a later discussion.... | 20:40 |
| joshuamckenty | Am I the only one who's worried? | 20:40 |
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| ttx | worried by ? | 20:40 |
| joshuamckenty | Of course, I'm ALWAYS worried | 20:40 |
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| joshuamckenty | state of essex | 20:40 |
| joshuamckenty | Lack of good CI coverage at this date | 20:41 |
| joshuamckenty | the usual | 20:41 |
| zns | No, you're not the only one. | 20:41 |
| joshuamckenty | Having the entire tree broken in 2.6 just prior to E3 | 20:41 |
| joshuamckenty | We *can't* ship a broken Essex | 20:41 |
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| * ttx puts his release manager hat on | 20:41 | |
| joshuamckenty | So if we're going to slip the date, | 20:41 |
| notmyname | that really happened? how? isn't that why we have gates? | 20:41 |
| joshuamckenty | I think we should do it now. | 20:41 |
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| joshuamckenty | Messaging will be much worse if we're closer to the release date. | 20:41 |
| ttx | joshuamckenty: how is slipping the date helping in the areas you outlined ? | 20:42 |
| zns | -1 on slipping the date. +1 on focusing on hitting it. | 20:42 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: (or anyone) is tempest ready to be turned on in the integration test gating yet? | 20:42 |
| ttx | With Nova/Glance/keystone using Essex-3 as their feature freeze, we already have 10 weeks of stabilization planned | 20:42 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: no. | 20:42 |
| ttx | Compared to 4 weeks for Diablo, and 3 weeks for Cactus | 20:42 |
| mtaylor | ok | 20:42 |
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| ttx | So the challenge will be to get most developers focused on bugfixing for 10 weeks | 20:42 |
| joshuamckenty | right | 20:42 |
| ttx | Slipping the date doesn't help when nobody is working on bugfixing | 20:42 |
| joshuamckenty | we've got global hack day | 20:42 |
| joshuamckenty | and bug crush day | 20:42 |
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| ttx | On previous releases I could count the number of developers working on that on one hand | 20:42 |
| joshuamckenty | we're trying to use meetups to build some shared momentum around bug fixing | 20:42 |
| ttx | So I'd really like people/companies complaining about Essex potential lack of stability to put their foot where their mouth is and get developers on deck working on existing known bugs | 20:43 |
| anotherjesse | joshuamckenty: are you concerned about E3 not being "feature complete" | 20:43 |
| ttx | I'd like core reviewers to get anal-rententive | 20:43 |
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| jaypipes | ttx: ++ | 20:43 |
| anotherjesse | is there stuff your team is still working on? | 20:43 |
| joshuamckenty | anotherjesse: no, just not stable. | 20:43 |
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| jaypipes | joshuamckenty: what is piston doing about stability? | 20:43 |
| joshuamckenty | Yeah, but we're shipping on Diablo anyway, so that doesn't worry me. | 20:43 |
| ttx | That's all we need. | 20:44 |
| joshuamckenty | jaypipes: Organizing bug fixing sprints. You coming on the 2nd? | 20:44 |
| jaypipes | joshuamckenty: yup. already booked tix. | 20:44 |
| anotherjesse | 3 months before release seems early to call it | 20:44 |
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| joshuamckenty | Any later will be too late | 20:44 |
| joshuamckenty | there will be too much market pressure to hit the date | 20:44 |
| ttx | anotherjesse: slipping the date is not really an option | 20:44 |
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| jaypipes | joshuamckenty: but that doesn't mean bugs get fixed. we need a better prioritization of bugs and less focus on Diablo. | 20:44 |
| joshuamckenty | Slipping the date is always an optino | 20:45 |
| ttx | We have a design summit lined up, and promises to distributions | 20:45 |
| notmyname | can there be a later date (say 1 month from now) where everything is reevaluated and a decision to push back is made then? | 20:45 |
| joshuamckenty | I'd like to propose a vote to fire the release manager who doesn't believe we can slip the date | 20:45 |
| jaypipes | joshuamckenty: disagree. slipping the date just means we aren't doing time-based releases.. | 20:45 |
| ttx | a later date will NOT help in anything. We'll just ship later, in the same state | 20:45 |
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| ttx | The challange is to get developers working on bugfixes. | 20:45 |
| ttx | Not just their bugs | 20:45 |
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| jaypipes | ttx: and functional test writing. | 20:45 |
| ttx | Known bugs | 20:45 |
| anotherjesse | ttx: ++ | 20:45 |
| mtaylor | ttx: ++ | 20:46 |
| ttx | jaypipes: and functional test writing. | 20:46 |
| jbryce | so how can we rally on that front? | 20:46 |
| ttx | rallying doesn't help. Mettups don't help | 20:46 |
| jaypipes | jbryce: getting help from devs at RAX and Piston on Tempest test writing would be a good start... | 20:46 |
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| jbryce | admitting defeat helps? | 20:46 |
| ttx | Forcing your developers to work on it helps | 20:46 |
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| joshuamckenty | jaypipes: wait - it's Tempest now? | 20:46 |
| joshuamckenty | What happened to Kong? | 20:46 |
| joshuamckenty | And SmokeStack? | 20:47 |
| ttx | For Diablo we had 4 weeks, but only 5 people actually tried to address known bugs | 20:47 |
| zns | Part of the problem is we're pushing to get features in by E3 given we're freezing features after E3. So stability has been pushed back to beyond E3. That does not bode well for E3 being stable... | 20:47 |
| anotherjesse | jbryce: imho the fact that the folks working on feature changes are all targeting E3 as feature complete and focusing on stability after Jan 26 means we are | 20:47 |
| jaypipes | joshuamckenty: different things. | 20:47 |
| joshuamckenty | And... what was Soren's thing? | 20:47 |
| ewindisch | jaypipes: companies shipping this code do need to continue working on and fixing Diablo. Piston and Cloudscaling both. That doesn't distract too much from fixing bugs in Essex, imho. | 20:47 |
| anotherjesse | joshuamckenty: tempest has be the ci project for a few months now | 20:47 |
| anotherjesse | ci.openstack.org | 20:47 |
| ttx | I'd like to have a sizeable portion of our 200+ committers working on bugfixes. Not 5 | 20:47 |
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| vishy | zns: agreed, but no one is trying to ship off of e3 | 20:47 |
| mtaylor | joshuamckenty: tempest is the name of openstack-integration-test project, it sucked in code from kong early on | 20:47 |
| ttx | and that WON'T happen unless they get the word from their management | 20:47 |
| anotherjesse | err - http://qa.openstack.org/ | 20:47 |
| jaypipes | ewindisch: those companies should be helping to write test cases (in Tempest) and firing those tests against their Diablo targets. | 20:47 |
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| ttx | the PTLs have done their share, featurefreezing at E3 is VERY early | 20:47 |
| zns | joshuamckenty implied he wants to "ship" E3... | 20:47 |
| anotherjesse | http://qa.openstack.org/integration.html is the details | 20:47 |
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| ewindisch | Cloudscaling has some people working on bug fixes and we're increasing that effort. We also have the zeromq-rpc blueprint ready to move toward inclusion, which is a new driver, but the code doesn't change or break anything that is already in trunk, so it is low-risk. | 20:48 |
| vishy | ttx: i know that our team is rallying around testing / perf testing / bugfixing / administration cleanup | 20:48 |
| joshuamckenty | zns: I didn't imply that that I know of | 20:48 |
| ttx | vishy: goos. We'll see how that translates into targeted bugs getting picked up | 20:48 |
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| ttx | good* | 20:48 |
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| jbryce | ttx: that sounds like rallying the companies to put their money where their mouth is... | 20:48 |
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| jaypipes | vishy: your team, yes. I | 20:48 |
| mtaylor | also - as soon as we have even smaller chunks of usable tests laying around, let us know and we can add them to the integration testing being done | 20:49 |
| jbryce | which i'm willing to go work on | 20:49 |
| ttx | jbryce: yes. Give a break to their devs and tell them to go and fix known issues instead of doing... whatever they do | 20:49 |
| jaypipes | 'm hoping Gigi's team can add some heft to Tempest | 20:49 |
| ttx | joshuamckenty: and I'd agree that the time ie NOW | 20:49 |
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| ttx | is* | 20:49 |
| jk0 | ttx: it's not always that easy | 20:49 |
| ttx | jk0: explain | 20:49 |
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| zns | joshuamckenty: my bad. I misread your "we can't ship a borken Essex". That I agree with. So, does that mean we can live with an unstable E3 to get features in and then stabilize by Essex release? | 20:50 |
| notmyname | ttx: we can't control what companies set as the priorities for their devs | 20:50 |
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| jk0 | if a team is in the middle of trying to ship features, it can be hard to break away and focus only on bugs (that might not even apply) | 20:50 |
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| jaypipes | zns: for Glance, I'm going to push back hard on any features after E3. | 20:50 |
| joshuamckenty | "We", being the OpenStack community, can't afford to have Essex as broken as Diablo was | 20:50 |
| joshuamckenty | it will be the end of OpenStacl | 20:50 |
| notmyname | joshuamckenty: +1 | 20:50 |
| jaypipes | joshuamckenty: ++ | 20:50 |
| mtaylor | ++ | 20:50 |
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| johnpur | +1 | 20:50 |
| ttx | notmyname: indeed. But we can spread the word that it will be their fault (again) if it's not rock-solid | 20:50 |
| jaypipes | joshuamckenty: and "broken" == "not integrated properly" | 20:51 |
| joshuamckenty | correct | 20:51 |
| joshuamckenty | also not release-noted | 20:51 |
| jaypipes | joshuamckenty: release-noted? | 20:51 |
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| ttx | "We", being the OpenStack community, should spend our resources getting integration tests written, then | 20:51 |
| joshuamckenty | So can we get a PPB vote, just so I'm clear on the consensus? | 20:51 |
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| joshuamckenty | OpenStack should never slip a release date: | 20:51 |
| jaypipes | joshuamckenty: vote on what precisely? | 20:51 |
| anotherjesse | what is the vote on? | 20:52 |
| joshuamckenty | That OpenStack is a time-based release, no matter the quality | 20:52 |
| ttx | I would slip the release date if I thought it would help in quality. It's usually a few more days at the end. | 20:52 |
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| joshuamckenty | It puts a very clear message on openstack's priorities | 20:52 |
| jaypipes | no it doesn't. | 20:52 |
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| zns | Those are not the only two options. You can have time and qualirty if you're flexible on scope. | 20:53 |
| jaypipes | yep | 20:53 |
| joshuamckenty | not as a community effort you can't | 20:53 |
| jaypipes | it's all about whether you push back properly. | 20:53 |
| jaypipes | yes you can... | 20:53 |
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| joshuamckenty | in a company, you can redirect resources from features, to quality | 20:53 |
| jaypipes | yes you most certainly can.' | 20:53 |
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| anotherjesse | you can not accept patches that aren't improving quality | 20:53 |
| zns | joshuamckenty: sounds like your opinion, but not necessarily fact or shared... | 20:53 |
| joshuamckenty | in a community, you need a lever against business investment | 20:53 |
| ttx | joshuamckenty: then you should get the word out there to all those openstack companies you see at your meetups | 20:54 |
| mtaylor | anotherjesse: ++ | 20:54 |
| ttx | joshuamckenty: all we can do is say "no more features past next week" | 20:54 |
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| ttx | and ask core reviewers to not let pass any crap | 20:54 |
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| jaypipes | right. | 20:55 |
| johnpur | ttx: agree 100% | 20:55 |
| zns | +1 | 20:55 |
| ttx | in the end, if nobody works on bugs, adding months to the release won't change a single thing. | 20:55 |
| anotherjesse | ttx: / joshuamckenty - and that is exactly what we said at the summit | 20:55 |
| anotherjesse | and all the PTLs agreecd | 20:55 |
| jaypipes | anotherjesse: ++ | 20:55 |
| ttx | I think we are having a reasonable state of breakage at feature freeze. Now we need to REALLY switch to bugfixing. | 20:56 |
| ttx | and not just continue to work on features on our end | 20:56 |
| jbryce | so...what are we arguing about right now exactly? it sounds like we have a plan that we think we yield better results if we are sticklers for what gets in and we need companies to commit to quality for the remaining milestones | 20:56 |
| ttx | jbryce: that's the message we need to get out | 20:56 |
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| jbryce | in terms of what we can do, do all reviewers know what they should be using as new guidelines? | 20:57 |
| jbryce | ttx: we'll work on getting that message out | 20:57 |
| joshuamckenty | fair enough. I have a 1pm, gotta run. Good to know what we're working with. | 20:57 |
| jbryce | i just happen to be meeting with managers at several companies next week. this will definitely be on my list of topics | 20:57 |
| ttx | jbryce: a lot of companies said they would invest in strategic contributions, and yet jaypipes has been struggling to get people writing integration tests | 20:57 |
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| jaypipes | jbryce: we need a strong and united PTL voice to the mailing list to say that after E3, the focus is entirely on stabilizing and bug fixing. | 20:58 |
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| ttx | and Cish and I have been struggling to get people assigned to known and targeted bugs | 20:58 |
| mtaylor | and for folks doing work on test suites ... get me things I can run consistently and repeatably ... the more tests we can run, the more we can check that quality | 20:58 |
| ttx | Vish* | 20:58 |
| jbryce | and we can review progress in a month | 20:58 |
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| jaypipes | mtaylor: that is the goal. | 20:58 |
| ewindisch | It is pretty short notice to say that for E3. I suppose it is fine if it isn't a hard-fast rule, or if there is a leniency for new code. | 20:58 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: I know it. :) -- just re-iterating | 20:58 |
| jbryce | ewindisch: i believe this is the plan for after e3 | 20:59 |
| jbryce | ok | 20:59 |
| jbryce | we're up against our time limit | 20:59 |
| zns | Good meeting. It's been a while! Thanks, all. | 20:59 |
| jbryce | thanks everybody. i thought we actually covered some good stuff today | 20:59 |
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| ttx | and with that.. next meeting is precisely on getting a better handle on release status | 20:59 |
| mtaylor | ++ | 20:59 |
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| jbryce | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 17 20:59:47 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-17-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-17-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-17-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
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| jaypipes | ewindisch: this is actually something discussed at length at the last summit (stopping feature dev at E3 | 21:00 |
| ttx | zns, notmyname, vishy, devcamcar: still around ? | 21:00 |
| notmyname | here | 21:00 |
| vishy | o/ | 21:00 |
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| zns | * present * | 21:00 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 17 21:01:34 2012 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 21:01 |
| ttx | Today's agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:01 |
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| ttx | #topic Actions from previous meeting | 21:02 |
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| ttx | * gyee to talk to zns about service-endpoint-location milestone targeting | 21:02 |
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| ttx | zns, gyee: ? | 21:03 |
| zns | I have to search back on the outcome of that. I asked and got acknowledgement, but not sure about the status. I'd lean towards saying it won't make it in E3. | 21:03 |
| ttx | nor in Essex ? | 21:03 |
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| zns | If it won't be in E3, then it won't be in Essex. Refer to last meeting :-) | 21:04 |
| ttx | that was a loaded question :) | 21:04 |
| ttx | * vishy to ping HP on openstack-api-ssl status | 21:04 |
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| vishy | done | 21:04 |
| zns | jsavak and I have talked about starting an F branch for all new features. WHat's your take on that? | 21:04 |
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| vishy | result was undetermined | 21:04 |
| jaypipes | hehe | 21:04 |
| vishy | they said that they are under a lot of time pressure but they would try to update it this week | 21:05 |
| ttx | zns: an official F branch sounds like a good way for developers not to work on bugfixes. | 21:05 |
| jaypipes | vishy: please feel free to use me to get answers on that. happy to help. | 21:05 |
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| vishy | it is just supporting SSL for endpoints, so I actually think that one is ok post e-3 if need be | 21:05 |
| zns | ttx: maybe we open an F branch after E4? E5? | 21:05 |
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| vishy | I'm still hoping they get it fixed though | 21:05 |
| ttx | after E4 yes. | 21:05 |
| zns | ttx: deal | 21:06 |
| ttx | #topic Keystone status | 21:06 |
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| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/essex-3 | 21:06 |
| vishy | jaypipes: ok, I will include you in communication in the future | 21:06 |
| ttx | zns: Is the status on this page accurate ? | 21:06 |
| zns | yes | 21:06 |
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| jaypipes | vishy: cheers | 21:06 |
| ttx | What's the status on: | 21:06 |
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| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/keystone-client (anotherjesse) | 21:06 |
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| mtaylor | ttx, zns: re: opening f branch | 21:06 |
| ttx | (on time for next week ? | 21:06 |
| mtaylor | ttx, zns: we should talk, possibly offline, about that | 21:07 |
| zns | ttx: that's the one my team is most concerned about since we have not put resources on it. Need input from anotherjesse. | 21:07 |
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| ttx | mtaylor: sure | 21:07 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/keystone-configuration (dabo) | 21:07 |
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| zns | That one is almost ready for merge. SHould be ready. | 21:08 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/keystone-logging (jheck) | 21:08 |
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| ttx | heckj, rather | 21:08 |
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| heckj | ttx: huh? | 21:09 |
| zns | I've put some work into that. keystone-configuration includes improvements to it. Not sure about status from jheck, but I think we've made enough progress through other blueprints to call it good. | 21:09 |
| mtaylor | ttx, zns: (you guys move too fast ...) python-keystoneclient is in all the systems and producing tarballs and whatnot now, in case that's helpful for keystone-client status | 21:09 |
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| ttx | zns: if any of those 3 miss next week, are you considering an exception for them, or will it be F ? | 21:09 |
| ttx | heckj: status on keystone-logging ? | 21:10 |
| zns | mtaylor: I'm not sure it is being used by all projects, though (maybe only horizon?). Keystone middleware, for example, doesn't use it yet. | 21:10 |
| ttx | anotherjesse1: status on keystone-client blueprint ? | 21:10 |
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| mtaylor | zns: gotcha | 21:10 |
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| mtaylor | well, fwiw, it's hooked in to all the things needed for other projects to start depending on it in pip-requires and whatnot | 21:11 |
| heckj | ttx: good progress, should be able to wrap up shortly | 21:11 |
| ttx | heckj: cool, thx | 21:11 |
| zns | ttx: I'm not considering any exceptions as of now. If anything, I've considered getting the feature in asap and stabilizing after E3, but I hear resistance to E3 being less unstable. | 21:11 |
| heckj | ttx: expecting that to be resolved fully by E4 - hoping to close by E3 | 21:11 |
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| ttx | #info In other news, we should have a python-keystoneclient tarball deliverable in Keystone E3 | 21:11 |
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| ttx | #action anotherjesse to sync up with zns on keystone-client blueprint status | 21:12 |
| ttx | zns: Anything else ? | 21:12 |
| zns | nope | 21:12 |
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| ttx | Questions for Keystone ? | 21:12 |
| zns | tx | 21:12 |
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| * jaypipes still thinks the keystone client should be called keystone-cops | 21:12 | |
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| jk0 | jaypipes: +1 | 21:12 |
| zns | lol! | 21:12 |
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| * mtaylor starts the gerrit renaming process... | 21:12 | |
| ttx | #topic Swift status | 21:13 |
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| ttx | notmyname: o/ | 21:13 |
| notmyname | hi | 21:13 |
| dragondm | +1 | 21:13 |
| anotherjesse1 | ttx: the library stuff is done for the client - the CLI is being worked on as we speak - about 1day of work | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | not much to report this week. working on new features and bug fixes. I expect the next release to be fairly soon | 21:13 |
| ttx | anotherjesse1: thx | 21:13 |
| notmyname | to include for posting and some bug fixes | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | s/for/form/ | 21:13 |
| ttx | notmyname: will it include object versioning ? | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | probably not yet. | 21:14 |
| ttx | notmyname: so 1.4.6 it will be ? | 21:14 |
| notmyname | versioning is probably still a few weeks out | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | ya. the next release is 1.4.6 | 21:14 |
| ttx | notmyname: let me know as soon as you have a target date | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | will do | 21:14 |
| ttx | notmyname: Anything else ? | 21:14 |
| notmyname | not unless there are questions | 21:15 |
| ttx | Questions on Swift ? | 21:15 |
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| jaypipes | I did, but now I can't remember... doh. | 21:15 |
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| jaypipes | oh, that was it.. | 21:15 |
| * ttx waits | 21:16 | |
| notmyname | ask away | 21:16 |
| jaypipes | notmyname: someone on #openstack this morning was asking about whether Swift has a stable/diablo-type branch that backported fixes are going to? | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | jaypipes: only major security issues (of which there have been none) | 21:16 |
| notmyname | it hasn't happened, so it hasn't been done | 21:17 |
| jaypipes | notmyname: ah, gotcha. | 21:17 |
| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:17 |
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| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/essex-3 | 21:17 |
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| jaypipes | notmyname: but in the case there is, y'all will create a stable/1.4.x or whatever branch? | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | jaypipes: I'm sure we'll figure something out | 21:17 |
| jaypipes | notmyname: ok. | 21:18 |
| ttx | jaypipes: a few questions on status... | 21:18 |
| jaypipes | notmyname: just wanted to make sure I give correct information to people that were asking about it. | 21:18 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:18 |
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| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/refactor-internal-api (jaypipes) | 21:18 |
| jaypipes | ttx: refresh your page. ;) | 21:18 |
| ttx | jaypipes: ah! | 21:18 |
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| ttx | jaypipes: it's gone! | 21:19 |
| jaypipes | ttx: all blueprints and bugs on the E3 status page are in proper order. The only remaining blueprint is one that bcwaldon is working on (adding policy support to Glance, same as Nova) | 21:19 |
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| bcwaldon | jaypipes: will be MP'd today | 21:19 |
| ttx | bcwaldon: so on track for completion ? | 21:19 |
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| bcwaldon | yep | 21:19 |
| jaypipes | ttx: we're in code review on the Swift-style multiprocess/multigreenthreadpool servers, but that should be good to go by E3 | 21:20 |
| jaypipes | ttx: and the remaining unassigned bugs will be assigned by EOD tomorrow | 21:20 |
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| ttx | as a sidenote, Essex was a good success in containing the number of new features. Now if we can convert that into buggfixing frenzy... | 21:20 |
| jaypipes | ttx: a couple of the Low priority bugs may get pushed out to E4 or so, but the 1 High and 4 Mediums should be done by E3 | 21:21 |
| ttx | jaypipes: OK | 21:21 |
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| ttx | jaypipes: Anything else ? | 21:21 |
| jaypipes | ttx: I've been kind of splitting my time recently between Glance and Tempest (about 40/60%), so sorry about the lag in status updates on Glance. | 21:21 |
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| ttx | you prefer to bust me with last minute updates | 21:22 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: just commented on the glance config devstack bug ... does applying the nova fix seem workable to you? | 21:22 |
| jaypipes | ttx: :) | 21:22 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: will take offline | 21:22 |
| ttx | Other questions on Glance ? | 21:22 |
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| ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:23 |
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| ttx | vishy: o/ | 21:23 |
| vishy | hi | 21:23 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/essex-3 | 21:23 |
| ttx | Looks like we'll have a few high-prio misses: | 21:23 |
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| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/separate-nova-adminapi (bcwaldon) | 21:23 |
| ttx | (unless it's unblocked ?) | 21:24 |
| vishy | it is unblocked | 21:24 |
| bcwaldon | ttx: unblocked this morning, we've got a clear path forward | 21:24 |
| bcwaldon | ttx: it will land this week | 21:24 |
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| vishy | we're going to do it by adding policy checks to the extensions | 21:24 |
| ttx | marking good progress | 21:24 |
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| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/volume-type-scheduler (vladimir3p) | 21:25 |
| ttx | vishy: we'll miss this one, right ? | 21:25 |
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| ttx | What is plan B for this one ? E4 or F ? | 21:25 |
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| vishy | yes that one will be missed | 21:25 |
| vishy | i guess vladimir is too busy | 21:26 |
| vishy | I think we will have to do without it | 21:26 |
| ttx | so F it is ? | 21:26 |
| vishy | looks like F to me | 21:26 |
| vishy | I'm fiddling with scheduler stuff this week for a couple other blueprints | 21:26 |
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| ttx | ok, we'll defer next week if nothing landed | 21:26 |
| vishy | so I will try and see if it can be done externally | 21:26 |
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| ttx | Also going slowly and in jeopardy (medium-prio): | 21:26 |
| vishy | I think there is a way to do it with an external scheduler | 21:26 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/openstack-api-ssl (HP) | 21:27 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/scaling-zones (comstud) | 21:27 |
| ttx | unless someone has good news. | 21:27 |
| vishy | a) is in jeopardy, I'm not sure if they will get to it but I think that is e4 no problem | 21:27 |
| vishy | b) comstud assures me it will be complete | 21:27 |
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| vishy | the majority of the work is in a patch under review | 21:27 |
| vishy | which is not linked properly | 21:27 |
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| ttx | ok. All in all it sounds like a fair feature freeze waiting for us next week. | 21:28 |
| ttx | vishy: we'll try to find a way to get popular bugs some attention, starting next week and throughout E4 | 21:28 |
| vishy | yes | 21:29 |
| vishy | I think the bugsquash day will be a good time to kick that off | 21:29 |
| ttx | I want people to know where they can help and make a difference | 21:29 |
| jog0 | any plans to fix up the numerous HACKING violations? | 21:29 |
| ttx | the bugsquash day will definitely help in getting legacy stuff out of the way | 21:29 |
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| Vek | jog0: wasn't someone working on a tool to help us find them? | 21:29 |
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| ttx | vishy: would be also good to push nova-core to get a bit more anal retentive as we make progress towards Essex | 21:30 |
| Vek | that would probably be the first step toward fixing those up... | 21:30 |
| jog0 | Vek: Yes I am, but I can use some help fixing the problems | 21:30 |
| ewindisch | The ZeroMQ blueprint is actually making considerable progress and should be ready for E3. I've been emailing Duncan on it, but he hasn't been responding for nearly a month - Duncan owns the blueprint, officially. | 21:30 |
| vishy | yessir | 21:30 |
| vishy | ewindisch: if you can get a proposal in we will look at it | 21:30 |
| ttx | ewindisch: the deadline is Tuesday next week | 21:30 |
| vishy | but I'm not sure it is a huge deal, you could easily ship the driver separately if need be | 21:30 |
| ttx | vishy: Anything else ? | 21:31 |
| ewindisch | vishy, true, but I'd like to get it included if possible. | 21:31 |
| russellb | same with the qpid equivalent :-) | 21:31 |
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| vishy | ewindisch: sure | 21:31 |
| russellb | but i think that one is close | 21:31 |
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| ttx | Nova subteam leads: anything on your side ? | 21:32 |
| ttx | Questions on Nova ? | 21:33 |
| ttx | #topic Horizon status | 21:33 |
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| ttx | devcamcar: around ? | 21:33 |
| ohnoimdead | <- filling in for devcamcar (currently stuck in his car on snowy seattle roads) | 21:33 |
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| ttx | ohnoimdead: welcome :) | 21:34 |
| ohnoimdead | :D | 21:34 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/essex-3 | 21:34 |
| ttx | So... ext-roles was deferred. Looks like you're preparing yourself for a busy E4 :) | 21:34 |
| ttx | Prioritization will be key. | 21:34 |
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| ohnoimdead | yeah. we punted a few things to e4. still a nasty bunch of bugs for e3 too. | 21:34 |
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| ttx | ohnoimdead: from what I'm seeing you have a good handle on them | 21:34 |
| ttx | ohnoimdead: so I have no question. Anything you wanetd to mention ? | 21:35 |
| ohnoimdead | nope | 21:35 |
| ttx | Questions for Horizon ? | 21:35 |
| ohnoimdead | (not that i can think of anyway) | 21:35 |
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| ttx | #topic Incubated projects and other Team reports | 21:36 |
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| ttx | danwent: o/ | 21:36 |
| danwent | hello | 21:36 |
| danwent | https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/essex-3 | 21:36 |
| ttx | troytoman is stuck in some training | 21:36 |
| danwent | we're a bit behind | 21:36 |
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| wwkeyboard | 7 | 21:36 |
| danwent | though a lot of the code for review just landed. | 21:37 |
| danwent | in terms of nova code, I think the floating IP stuff should make it (enable floating IPs for quantum manager) | 21:37 |
| danwent | the VPN stuff may not (debo has been fighting with devstack today) | 21:37 |
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| ttx | danwent: looks like a busy week ahead | 21:37 |
| danwent | sigh.... | 21:37 |
| danwent | indeed | 21:37 |
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| danwent | we'll bump one or two things out | 21:37 |
| ttx | danwent: we shall branch milestone-proposed at the end of Tuesday (i.e. Wednesday morning European time) | 21:38 |
| ttx | danwent: would that work for you ? | 21:38 |
| danwent | yup. thanks again for getting quantum into the standard release processing | 21:38 |
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| ttx | Quantum and Melange now have working -tarball jobs | 21:38 |
| danwent | i think all issues monty + james have had are working now | 21:38 |
| danwent | yup | 21:38 |
| ttx | so everything should be ready for getting E3 released under release team management | 21:38 |
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| danwent | we're also going to push to get something whipped up with tempest… that's all for quantum. | 21:39 |
| ttx | Any other team lead with a status report ? annegentle (docs), mtaylor (CI), jaypipes (QA) ? | 21:39 |
| annegentle | 0/ | 21:39 |
| ttx | annegentle: floor is yours | 21:39 |
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| annegentle | or is it o/ ? anyway | 21:39 |
| mtaylor | ttx: o/ after anne | 21:39 |
| annegentle | I sent the note to the mailing list about a "diablo stable" install doc | 21:39 |
| vishy | depends if you are a cyclops... | 21:39 |
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| jaypipes | ttx: I'll be sending out a status report on Tempest tomorrow. | 21:40 |
| annegentle | sounds like the community is on board with that approach for now | 21:40 |
| annegentle | but I'm happy to entertain other ideas | 21:40 |
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| ttx | annegentle: that doc points to cloudbuilders packages ? | 21:41 |
| annegentle | we're also making progress on building an API reference site (though we're tracking down api.openstack.org, if you registered it please let me know) | 21:41 |
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| annegentle | ttx: it points to Cloud Builders packages and ones from Managed IT (Kiall) | 21:41 |
| ttx | annegentle: any reason why we don't use Oneiric official Ubuntu ones ? | 21:41 |
| russellb | stable/diablo is also packaged in Fedora | 21:41 |
| annegentle | ttx: the OpenStack Starter Guide does (point to Ubuntu official). This is an additional installation guide that gets Keystone and Dashboard on Ubuntu. | 21:42 |
| ttx | annegentle: ok | 21:42 |
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| annegentle | russellb: this guide is built so that additional distros instructions can be added easily. | 21:42 |
| ttx | annegentle: anything else ?* | 21:42 |
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| annegentle | It's really a starting point to build from - a first step in separating install from admin also, which will take more work. | 21:43 |
| russellb | annegentle: cool. we don't have dashboard packaged yet. we'll look at helping with the docs though. | 21:43 |
| annegentle | That's all from the land of docs. | 21:43 |
| ttx | mtaylor: go ahead | 21:43 |
| annegentle | russellb: much appreciated! | 21:43 |
| mtaylor | I'm planning on having multi-python testing rolled out next week- we've had several issues with this recently. | 21:43 |
| ttx | mtaylor: I'd like to have tarball/repo diff jobs as well, we keep getting hit by surpises in that area | 21:43 |
| mtaylor | but that'll be a dev-visible change | 21:43 |
| mtaylor | ttx: funny story... | 21:43 |
| mtaylor | ttx: the new hotness for doing the multi-version testing gets you that as well | 21:44 |
| mtaylor | as it makes an sdist and then installs _that_ into the virtualenv, and then does the testing | 21:44 |
| ttx | mtaylor: I need to see that with my own eyes | 21:44 |
| Vek | heh. | 21:44 |
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| dragondm | re mult-python testing: ...and there was much rejoicing. | 21:44 |
| mtaylor | so we actually start testing the tarball, rather than the repo | 21:44 |
| Vek | +1 | 21:44 |
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| soren | mtaylor: Sadly, many things missing from tarball won't cause test failures. | 21:44 |
| ttx | mtaylor: you'll still miss the "missing binaries" issues, I guess | 21:44 |
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| soren | mtaylor: like that ^ | 21:44 |
| ttx | I'm pretty sure tests pass if bin/nova-api-ec2 is missing for example. | 21:45 |
| mtaylor | soren, ttx: those should be filed as missing test cases or something | 21:45 |
| soren | mtaylor: But yes, many things will be caught by that. | 21:45 |
| mtaylor | it's a start at least :) | 21:45 |
| ttx | ok | 21:45 |
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| ttx | mtaylor: anything else ? | 21:45 |
| mtaylor | but yes - I agree with both of you | 21:45 |
| soren | mtaylor: Not everything will have test cases like that. | 21:46 |
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| mtaylor | nope, that's it - I just wanted to bring that up because it'll be a slight change that people will notice | 21:46 |
| ttx | From release management land, markmc has worked on 2011.3.1 tarballs for Nova and Glance | 21:46 |
| soren | mtaylor: We have no unit tests for the existence of docs, for instance. | 21:46 |
| ttx | #help Would be good to get those 2011.3.1 candidates out for a date | 21:46 |
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| Vek | the one downside of the multipython testing will probably be that the unit tests will take twice as long to run once a mp is approved... | 21:47 |
| mtaylor | soren: ++ | 21:47 |
| mtaylor | Vek: not necessarily - we can parallelize that | 21:47 |
| ttx | and without further ado... | 21:47 |
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| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:47 |
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| Vek | good :) | 21:47 |
| ttx | #info So the winner is... Folsom | 21:47 |
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| danwent | yes! | 21:48 |
| ttx | by an overwhelming 50 votes, Freedom was second with 35 votes, Fortuna had 33 | 21:48 |
| ttx | In related news, the F design summit location and date was announced: | 21:48 |
| ttx | #info F design summit: April 16-18, San Francisco, CA | 21:48 |
| ttx | #link http://www.openstack.org/conference/san-francisco-2012/ | 21:48 |
| ttx | It will be followed by an OpenStack Conference, same place, April 19-20. | 21:49 |
| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 21:49 |
| ttx | Bug squashing day is still on Groundhog day, Feb 2 | 21:49 |
| annegentle | Bug Squash day links: | 21:49 |
| annegentle | #link San Fran http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/48362422/ | 21:49 |
| annegentle | #link Austin http://www.meetup.com/OpenStack-Austin/events/48406252/ | 21:50 |
| ttx | Is anyone interested in tracking stats for the bug squashing day ? | 21:50 |
| ttx | I think reed will be on a plane that day | 21:50 |
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| annegentle | ttx: with an already exiting tool or one to be made soon? | 21:51 |
| ttx | annegentle: probably with custom made tools. | 21:52 |
| ttx | annegentle: Ubuntu used things like http://people.canonical.com/~brian/complete-graphs/nautilus/plots/nautilus-1day-triaging.png | 21:52 |
| ttx | to track progress during the day | 21:52 |
| ttx | I guess I could ask brian for his magic scripts | 21:52 |
| ttx | #help Anyone interested in coordinating the Bug Squashing day should contact annegentle or ttx | 21:53 |
| ttx | and if nobody has anything else... | 21:54 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 17 21:54:33 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-17-21.01.html | 21:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-17-21.01.txt | 21:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-17-21.01.log.html | 21:54 |
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| danwent | o/ netstack | 22:00 |
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| markvoelker | o/ | 22:00 |
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| danwent | #startmeeting | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 17 22:00:48 2012 UTC. The chair is danwent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 22:00 |
| danwent | how've you been mark? | 22:00 |
| salv-orlando | Hello! | 22:00 |
| markvoelker | danwent: doing good thanks! | 22:01 |
| somik | hi folks! | 22:01 |
| danwent | #info agenda for today's meeting: http://wiki.openstack.org/Network/Meetings | 22:01 |
| edgarmagana | ciao | 22:01 |
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| danwent | #topic General Topics | 22:01 |
| mestery | Hi everyone! | 22:01 |
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| danwent | #info F-series release will be 'folsom' | 22:01 |
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| danwent | #info Folsom design summit: April 16-18, San Francisco, CA (http://www.openstack.org/conference/san-francisco-2012/) | 22:02 |
| GheRivero_ | night evryone | 22:02 |
| danwent | sign-up is not yet open, but remember to block out the dates on your schedule. | 22:02 |
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| danwent | #topic Quantum Status | 22:02 |
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| danwent | #info next tuesday is quantum feature freeze for E-3: https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/essex-3 | 22:03 |
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| salv-orlando | danwent: feature freeze or branch point for E-3? | 22:03 |
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| danwent | we still have a LOT of issues not yet in review. want to those things on gerrit by thursday/friday at the latest, if they are non-trivial reviews. | 22:03 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: meant the same thing.. yeah, only referring to E-3 here. | 22:04 |
| salv-orlando | k, cool | 22:04 |
| danwent | we can pull bug fixes into E-3 branch if really needed, but definitely not features (and preferrably, no minor bugs) | 22:04 |
| danwent | Thanks to all those who did reviews in the past week, our existing set of reviews is large, but doable, I think | 22:05 |
| danwent | #info: current reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#q,status:open+project:openstack/quantum,n,z | 22:05 |
| danwent | I wanted to highlight a couple of larger patches that we should start reviewing soon, as they may take some iteration. | 22:05 |
| danwent | first, mtaylor will soon be pushing a review for removing the client code from the main repo. | 22:06 |
| danwent | this obviously has the potential to be disruptive, so lots of review TLC is in order. | 22:06 |
| danwent | Also, Salv's API work has two large reivews: API filters and API error codes (seem ML for discussion) | 22:07 |
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| danwent | salv: wanted to get your thoughts on: Bug #803086 | 22:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 803086 in quantum "plugins.ini should be collapsed into quantum.conf to prevent configuration"sprawl"" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803086 | 22:07 |
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| danwent | seems like there is a lot of review feedback, I was trying to understand the current status | 22:07 |
| danwent | salv-orlando? | 22:08 |
| salv-orlando | I'm here | 22:08 |
| danwent | thoughts on Bug #803086 | 22:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 803086 in quantum "plugins.ini should be collapsed into quantum.conf to prevent configuration"sprawl"" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803086 | 22:09 |
| salv-orlando | I read your comment - last time I checked I was pretty sure the "old" behaviour (plugins.ini) still worked. Will have another crack | 22:09 |
| salv-orlando | right today | 22:09 |
| salv-orlando | Last time I checked was on Jan 10 | 22:09 |
| danwent | Ok, let me re-run my tests as well. might have been on an old version or something. | 22:09 |
| danwent | Ok, anyone from the Ryu controller team here today? | 22:09 |
| danwent | I will respond on the ML in more detail, but my gut feeling is that this code should actually be a separate plugin, as it seems like primary overlap in functionality is just around the SQLalchemy DB model. | 22:10 |
| salv-orlando | +1 | 22:11 |
| danwent | I'd like to create a base "sqlalchemy_plugin_base" class to make it easier for plugins to share DB code. | 22:11 |
| danwent | #todo #danwent ML reply to Ryu controller team | 22:11 |
| danwent | Ok, any other large reviews out there (or coming soon) that I missed? | 22:11 |
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| danwent | unfortunately, our core reveiwers will again be pretty swamped this release, so we need all cover devs to pitch in | 22:12 |
| salv-orlando | I have a patch | 22:12 |
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| salv-orlando | which is going to be pushed soon which is around 200-300 hundred lines. It is for response pagination. | 22:12 |
| salv-orlando | can't remember the bug id right now, sorry. | 22:12 |
| danwent | Ok, that's been targeted for E-3 for a while, right? | 22:12 |
| salv-orlando | Yeah. Code is basically ready, but i still need to sort out XML serialization for the link to the next page. | 22:13 |
| danwent | cool. just wanted to confirm it wasn't something brand new. sounds good. | 22:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | dan: I am planning to submit the linux bridge plugin for review | 22:13 |
| salv-orlando | will either push tomorrow or defer | 22:13 |
| salv-orlando | odds are 4/11 to push tomorrow 3/1 to defer | 22:13 |
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| danwent | Yeah, any big patches should be in by thursday. | 22:14 |
| danwent | Sumit: ok, just make sure we get it in early, and be sure to help out with others reviews as a thank you :) | 22:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | dan: sure, edgar is my proxy :-) | 22:15 |
| edgarmagana | :-) | 22:15 |
| danwent | indeed, but we need all the help we can get reviewing. | 22:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | dan: yeah, kidding :-) | 22:15 |
| danwent | good good :) | 22:15 |
| danwent | ok, is debo here? | 22:15 |
| danwent | i injected a VPN item into the agenda last minute | 22:16 |
| debo-os | yeah | 22:16 |
| danwent | Ok, cloudpipe thoughts? | 22:16 |
| debo-os | Thx a lot for the feedback | 22:16 |
| debo-os | I think I summarized the feedback and the action items for cloudpipe on the ML | 22:17 |
| debo-os | we will aim to do a no frills version for E | 22:17 |
| debo-os | assuming that a lot of will change with the real VPN service in F | 22:17 |
| danwent | debo-os: I think that makes sense. | 22:17 |
| danwent | my main concern is whether we can get anything into Nova during E-4…. they will be in a pretty hard feature freeze based on concerns over stabalization | 22:18 |
| danwent | I would say that if you don't think you can do something in the next few days, and have a shot for E-3, we should ping vish to get his thoughts on this. | 22:19 |
| debo-os | I will try to make it to E3 but lets ping Vish anyway | 22:19 |
| danwent | would help to have it well scoped what changes you would be making to nova, as I think they will be pretty targeted. | 22:19 |
| danwent | ok, good idea. | 22:19 |
| debo-os | I think I have the changes scoped out for Nova and I had run them past Soren and Vish | 22:19 |
| danwent | Ok, anything else in terms of e-3? | 22:19 |
| danwent | Ok, one topic I wanted to bring up with Nova + Quantum Integration testing | 22:20 |
| danwent | we get a fair amount of breakage in QuantumManager due to nova changes, and presumably the fact that the unit tests + smoke tests run before nova commits don't test QuantumManager well. | 22:21 |
| danwent | jaypipes sent out a cool preso on Tempest, if you haven't seen it yet: https://docs.google.com/a/nicira.com/presentation/d/1M3XhAco_0u7NZQn3Gz53z9VOHHrkQBzEs5gt43ZvhOc/edit#slide=id.p | 22:21 |
| debo-os | on that note ... Dan, would it make sense to focus on devstack stability w. Quantum + Nova | 22:21 |
| debo-os | ultimately a naive user would use something like devstack | 22:22 |
| bhall | danwent: do you have another link? | 22:22 |
| danwent | I think we've made good progress on Nova-parity with Essex, but not very much progess with system test. | 22:22 |
| danwent | bhall: that one not working? | 22:22 |
| jaypipes | bhall: http://joinfu.com/slides | 22:22 |
| bhall | jaypipes: thanks | 22:22 |
| jaypipes | np | 22:23 |
| danwent | whoops, yeah, not public | 22:23 |
| danwent | debo-os: yes… devstack stability is a start | 22:23 |
| danwent | and things like tempest build on devstack | 22:23 |
| danwent | I'd really like to see us making more progress on this front. I'm going to start poking on it in my "free" time, but I'd really love if someone decided to take some more ownership here. | 22:24 |
| danwent | I'm pretty swamped with a lot of project management stuff | 22:24 |
| danwent | and haven't had as much time to code as I would like. | 22:24 |
| danwent | #info On a related note, we have our bug-squashing day on Feb 2nd. | 22:25 |
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| GheRivero | is that test integration for essex or folsom release? | 22:25 |
| danwent | I think we need to get the infrastructure in place ASAP. I'd love to see work done in E-4, but if not, then it will need to happen in F | 22:26 |
| danwent | http://wiki.openstack.org/BugSquashingDay/20120202 | 22:26 |
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| bhall | danwent: I agree.. we definitely need it | 22:26 |
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| danwent | since we were thinking of focusing on code quality + coverage for bug squashing, one thing we could do was help people setup devstack + tempest and write integration tests. | 22:27 |
| debo-os | I can do devstack and tempest setup | 22:27 |
| danwent | There is a local meetup in SF, which might serve as a central location (sorry salv!) or we could meet in the southbay. | 22:27 |
| debo-os | and maybe some tests too | 22:27 |
| debo-os | southbay :) | 22:27 |
| danwent | debo-os: that would be awesome. | 22:27 |
| salv-orlando | my thoughts will be with you :) | 22:28 |
| salv-orlando | anyway, what are your targets for the bug squashing day... what will be considered as a success? | 22:28 |
| danwent | debo-os: Ok, I will sync up with you directly on this. Perhaps Nicira or Cisco could play host for an in person meetup. I will send an email to the list to see if there are enough people who would like to meet up in person for the bug squashing day to make organizing an event worth it. | 22:28 |
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| danwent | salv-orlando: my goal was to get a functioning system test environment up and running, with multiple people knowledgeable enough to add tests. | 22:29 |
| debo-os | danwent: awesome ... | 22:29 |
| danwent | carlp says he has infrastructure to run these tests automatically on each commit, which is ultimately what we want. | 22:29 |
| danwent | Great, thanks for volunteering debo. | 22:30 |
| danwent | #todo #debo-os and #danwent sync up on tempest + system testing | 22:30 |
| danwent | I think this stuff is realy important for the success of the project. | 22:30 |
| danwent | OK, one last topic to bring-up. | 22:30 |
| danwent | Since we are getting close to the main essex release, we want to make sure that distros that package quantum have correct packaging, and are aware of recent changes to our packaging (e.g., splitting client repo out). | 22:31 |
| danwent | there are a few listed here: http://wiki.openstack.org/QuantumPackages | 22:31 |
| cdub | danwent: if that's a question, fedora is aware | 22:32 |
| danwent | I'll also be contacting folks at Stackops, etc. | 22:32 |
| danwent | cdub: great, will assume you have that taken care of. | 22:32 |
| cdub | yup, rkukura will holler if things break | 22:32 |
| danwent | if there are other distros that any of you think should package quantum, but don't, let's add them to the page and reach out to them. | 22:32 |
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| danwent | Ok, any other topics to bring up on Quantum? or open discussion? | 22:33 |
| GheRivero | i'm taking care of debian packages and also stackosp | 22:33 |
| danwent | awesome, thanks GehRivero. Does stackops package quantum already, or will it be new with the final Essex release? | 22:33 |
| danwent | Geh -> Ghe | 22:33 |
| bhall | danwent: did you and monty chat about how plugins are going to work with the repo split? | 22:34 |
| GheRivero | it's a work in progress | 22:34 |
| danwent | based on his reply, I think his comment about plugins wasn't related to the repo split | 22:34 |
| danwent | GheRivero: thx | 22:34 |
| anotherjesse1 | danwent: love the work you guys are doing for devstack integration | 22:34 |
| bhall | oh ok | 22:34 |
| anotherjesse1 | thanks :) | 22:34 |
| danwent | anotherjesse1: thanks! was just thinking the same thing about all the cool stuff you folks have been doing with devstack! | 22:35 |
| danwent | makes a devs life so much easier | 22:35 |
| danwent | Ok, last call, any questions/comments? | 22:35 |
| cdub | any folks going to FOSDEM? | 22:35 |
| danwent | not I… wish I could | 22:36 |
| anotherjesse1 | danwent: we do multi-node devstack by setting ENABLED_SERVICES=n-cpu,n-net,n-api (and MYSQL_HOST, RABBIT_HOST, GLANCE_HOSTPORT) - is it possible to do multi-node quantum? | 22:36 |
| anotherjesse1 | perhaps an email? | 22:36 |
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| danwent | anotherjesse1: yes, quantum can do multi-node | 22:37 |
| danwent | was planning on looking at how to do multi-node in devstack. please send email with thoughts. | 22:37 |
| bhall | anotherjesse1: I have it working on our end.. I have some changes to propose around that fairly soon | 22:37 |
| danwent | last i checked it was "coming soon" on the webpage, or is it already supported? | 22:37 |
| danwent | ah, got it | 22:37 |
| danwent | yeah, multi-node will be very important to us using devstack for serious system test. | 22:38 |
| danwent | thanks folks. please remember to focus on reviews this week, and if you have non-trivial patches, to get them done by thursday. | 22:38 |
| danwent | #endmeeting | 22:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 17 22:38:51 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-17-22.00.html | 22:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-17-22.00.txt | 22:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-01-17-22.00.log.html | 22:38 |
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| danwent | have a good afternoon/night folks! | 22:39 |
| salv-orlando | bye!!! | 22:39 |
| wwkeyboard | thanks for the information | 22:39 |
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| somik | have a good one everybody! | 22:40 |
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| anotherjesse1 | danwent: I'll prioritize documentation | 23:20 |
| danwent | anotherjesse1: cool, thanks | 23:21 |
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