Wednesday, 2011-11-16

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jaypipesQA meeting in 5 minutes!15:55
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jaypipesdwalleck, nati2_, westmaas, mtaylor: QA meeting in 2 minutes :)15:59
mtaylorjaypipes: yay!15:59
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westmaaswoo15:59
jeblairo/15:59
* jaypipes looks around for HPers...16:00
jeblairif you wait long enough... :)16:00
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jeblairsome of us will turn into them.16:00
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jaypipesjeblair: :P16:01
* jaypipes just sent email to nayna, ravi and donald ngo... we'll wait a couple more minutes16:01
jaypipesanybody seen wwkeyboard?16:01
jaypipesI have a feeling that 8am PST is too early for nati-san :)16:02
westmaasjust pung wwkeyboard16:02
jaypipeswestmaas: cheers16:02
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jaypipesRavikumar_hp, wwkeyboard: hello!16:04
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Ravikumar_hphi16:04
jaypipesOK, let's start16:04
jaypipes#startmeeting16:04
openstackMeeting started Wed Nov 16 16:04:41 2011 UTC.  The chair is jaypipes. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:04
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.16:04
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jaypipesI'd like to start today discussing the status of getting openstack-integration-tests gating trunk16:05
jaypipes#topic status of getting openstack-integration-tests gating trunk16:05
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jaypipesmtaylor: quick update, sir?16:05
jaypipesor jeblair16:05
jeblairi can take it16:05
mtayloryay16:05
jeblairvery close now:16:05
jeblairi have code that wraps the process, launching a vm, running devstack on it, exercises.sh for now, and destroying the vm16:06
jaypipesjeblair: have you attempted runnign openstack-integratin-tests yet, and if so, any result?16:07
jeblairthere's a jenkins job set up to trigger on changes to any of _several_ projects, currently nova, glance, keystone, to run that.16:07
jeblairnot yet.  do you think it's ready?16:07
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jeblairbasically, i figured you would let me know when you thought it was ready16:08
jaypipesjeblair: yes, I think it is. At least, basic stuff is done16:08
jeblairso i could work on getting the surrounding infrastructure in place16:08
westmaasI think it could use a few tweaks first.16:08
jeblairis there a particular way we should run it?16:08
westmaasmostly because I don't think you can choose specific tests to run in the new code.16:08
jaypipeswestmaas: well, seeing the results of a first run would be good :)16:08
westmaasthats fine too, just not to gate :)16:08
jeblairwe talked about it having a "--gate" option or something to run really solid tests16:08
jaypipeswestmaas: no, I think you can... --nova --glance, etc16:09
jeblairso another thing we have going on:16:09
jeblairis the jenkins job i have set up is currently running in "silent mode"16:09
westmaasnot for the new approach everyone is focusing in, the storm directory16:09
westmaason*16:09
jaypipesjeblair: right. basically, it's adding a @attr('gate') to test cases, IIRC16:09
jeblairmeaning that it is triggered by gerrit, but doesn't report back or vote16:09
jaypipeswestmaas: ah, ok, sorry for confusion16:09
jeblairso at any point, if we want to start experimenting with a new way of running the tests, we can set up another 'silent' jenkins job to do it16:10
jaypipeswestmaas, jeblair: OK, so sounds like there's a bit more work to do. Shall we aim to have some job running openstack-integration-tests by end of week?16:10
jaypipesnot gating, just running16:10
jeblairi think we can do that16:10
westmaasyep16:10
jaypipescoolio.16:10
jeblairi'll continue working on exercise.sh, and maybe start gating on it, and have a parallel job running integration silently16:11
jaypipesawesome16:11
dwalleckack, time change, sorry about that16:11
jeblair(not working on exercise.sh, actually but rather continue using it as a placeholder in gating)16:11
jaypipesOK, moving on to more specific stuff about the integration tests...16:11
jaypipesdwalleck: no worries, perfect timing16:11
jaypipesjeblair: understood16:11
jaypipes#topic westmaas and dwalleck give status report on what functional integration tests are top priority for adding at this moment.16:12
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westmaasdwalleck: you want to take this? either way is fine.16:12
* jaypipes looking to have get a list of priority tests that need written, so we can delegate/assign them to folks16:12
dwalleckI think we can both talk about priority. As far as the suite itself, we've been busy :)16:12
jaypipesdwalleck: yes, very :) great stuff so far16:13
westmaassounds like the priority should be a set of tests that we feel we can and should gate on.16:13
dwalleckSounds reasonable. We have a smoke priority list internally we've been working from that we could put somewhere public16:13
westmaasjaypipes: any suggestions for making tha public? I suggested just making bugs on the project itself, is there a better place?16:14
dwalleckBut I'm also thinking from a very nova-centric world, so I would like some thoughts to make sure we're covering everything we need to16:14
dwalleckI'm okay with bugs also if that works. The only other thing I could think of would be a google docs spreadsheet16:15
jaypipeswestmaas: no, that's exactly what I would propose. bugs (or blueprints for large collections of tests) on openstack-qa project on Launchpad.16:15
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jaypipeswestmaas, dwalleck: that way, we can target to milestones same as we do for core projects16:15
westmaasI like bugs because it makes it easier to take individula tests16:15
jaypipesyuppers16:16
dwalleckjaypipes: Sounds good. I'll make that my priority today16:16
jaypipesdwalleck: awesomesauce.16:16
westmaasI have not followed up on what I was supposed to last week which was to make a poll to name this, which would then let us make a launchpad project.16:16
westmaaswill do it today, in progress now.16:16
jaypipeswestmaas: well, we can always make a  new LP project (under openstack-qa project or separately) and re-assign any bugs to that new project16:17
westmaasjaypipes: sounds good16:17
jaypipeswestmaas: cheers, and lemme know if you need assistance. happy to help16:17
westmaasjaypipes: can you make me less lazy?16:17
jaypipeslol16:17
westmaaswould really help in a lot of ways16:17
jaypipesOK, so nati isn't around, so we'll skip unit testing for now...16:17
dwalleckFor tracking purposes, should I also add bugs for test cases we've already finished?16:17
jaypipesdwalleck: up to you.16:18
dwalleckOr is this just a priority list going forward?16:18
dwalleckgotcha16:18
westmaasdwalleck: I'd rather you spend energy on other things, personally, but like jay said up to you16:18
jaypipesdwalleck: priority is priority list going forward ;P16:18
dwalleckI don't sleep. No problem :)16:18
westmaashah16:18
jaypipes:)16:18
jaypipes#topic HP QA cluster...16:18
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jaypipesRavikumar_hp: OK, so looks like jeblair and mtaylor are making good progress on getting the devstack-based deployment jobs going in Jenkins16:19
mtayloryup16:19
jaypipesRavikumar_hp: after those are finished, I need to work with you on mapping out a plan to get a similar job, but using chef, going on the Jenkins server inside the HP QA cluster16:19
jaypipesfor those interested, HP has allocated 4 96GB servers for QA purposes16:20
Ravikumar_hpour infrastructre team is in the process of movins server to public internet . I will set up OS16:20
jaypipesright16:20
dwallecknice!16:20
Ravikumar_hpThere is a delay , but work is in progress16:20
mtaylorgreat. so...16:21
jaypipesanyway, Ravikumar_hp, the next logical step is going to be figuring out what is the latest chef deployment stuff. I think dprince is the man for that16:21
Ravikumar_hpNachi is working chef scripts for KVM based deploymen16:21
jaypipesRavikumar_hp: ah, good to know. Is that work on github?16:21
jeblairthere could be an opportunity to collaborate on openstack-chef16:21
mtaylorwe have a bare-metal deploy setup worked out that you can use to drive the chef16:21
jaypipesRavikumar_hp: also, is it based on github.com/openstack/openstack-chef16:21
jeblairdprince is mostly driving the openstack-chef modules, but i'd love to see nachi and ravi collaborate on those if possible16:22
jaypipesjeblair: ++ exactly my point :) want to de-duplicate effort as much as possible16:22
mtaylor++16:22
mtaylorand they are managed in gerrit - so the process should be about the same as everything else16:22
Ravikumar_hpok. id dprince is working on that, we will sync with him16:22
jaypipesRavikumar_hp: OK, well you, me, and Gigi have a followup meeting. We can further discuss the chef stuff then, ok? Just wanted to let everyone else know what the plan was...16:23
Ravikumar_hpsure16:23
jeblair#link http://ci.openstack.org/jenkins.html#integration-testing16:23
mtaylorjaypipes: lets circle up to on if we can use that ^^16:23
jaypipesawesome16:23
mtaylorto do all of the bits that get us to running chef on the hosts16:23
jaypipesyep'16:23
jaypipesdwalleck: OK, I have a special request for you :)16:24
dwalleckuh oh :)16:24
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jaypipesdwalleck: so... to increase the number of folks writing integration/functional tests in the openstack-integration-tests project, it would be awesome to have a brief tutorial on writing test cases16:24
dwallecklearn to not use parenths in python?16:24
jaypipesdwalleck: I16:24
Ravikumar_hpjaypipes: +116:25
jaypipesdwalleck: I'm happy to help with this, and I've (finally) gotten qa.openstack.org in the DNS system16:25
dwalleckOf course! That sounds like a great idea. Where would you want me to put this?16:25
Ravikumar_hpthat can jump start my team contribution to functional test16:25
jaypipesdwalleck: qa.openstack.org is going to be just like ci.openstack.org, which is RST docs that get built and pushed automagically to qa.openstack.org16:25
jaypipesRavikumar_hp: yep:)16:25
jaypipesdwalleck: so, my goal is to have a number of RST docs that show folks what we're up to and how to contribute more tests16:26
jaypipesdwalleck: shall the two of us set aside some time tomorrow to work on that?16:26
dwalleckSure, I definitely can do that16:26
dwalleckSounds like a good idea16:26
jaypipesawesome, I'll email you a meeting request16:26
* jaypipes apologizes for the long delay on getting qa.openstack.org up...16:27
* mtaylor punches jaypipes in the face16:27
jaypipesOK, so, let's wrap up with some open discussion16:27
jaypipes#topic open discussion16:27
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jaypipesAnybody have stuff to bring up?16:27
westmaaslast call for test suite names!16:27
dwalleckMightyMorphinTestinSuite!16:28
wwkeyboardHurricaneHunter!16:28
mtaylorlet's call it jaypipes!16:28
* jaypipes votes for "hurricane"16:28
westmaassorry guys you missed the window16:28
jaypipeshehe16:28
jaypipesdwalleck: just noticed your comment above about parenths in Python :) rofl16:28
dwalleckI kick myself everything I see that. :) It's just second nature at this point16:29
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jaypipesdwalleck: *totally* understoood.16:29
jaypipesOK, sounds like we're done. westmaas, I'll send the mailing list an update this week16:29
dwalleckSo one quick thing from me: so right now <fill_in the blank test suite> is using dictionaries to represent responses16:29
jaypipeswestmaas: so you can focus on the priority test list ;)16:29
westmaas:)16:30
dwalleckMy team has wanted to change that to domain objects for equality and other functional purposes. Would anyone have any strong opposition to that idea?16:30
jaypipesdwalleck: responses from the test case methods?16:30
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jaypipesdwalleck: not sure I'm following ya16:30
dwalleckjaypipes: Sorry, responses to REST requests16:30
jaypipesdwalleck: oh, you mean JSON16:31
jaypipesor... ?16:31
dwalleckSo right now we just take the json response, convert it back to a dict and go on our merry way16:31
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jaypipesdwalleck: ah, yes16:31
dwalleckWe're thinking instead of passing that dict to a constructor to build an object representation of the response16:31
jaypipesdwalleck: hmmm...16:32
jaypipesdwalleck: so, my hesitation on that is that it may introduce some subtle bugs16:32
dwalleckThe work is technically done, but it's a big change. I wanted to see what the hivemind thought16:32
dwalleckI agree. My condition would be that we would need to create some unit tests to verify that everything is working as expected16:33
jaypipesdwalleck: but, that said, just propose it so we can see the code and comment... might be just what the doctor ordered :)16:33
dwalleckWhich we technically we need for the service methods too (one mountain at a time)16:33
dwalleckWill do :)16:33
jaypipesdwalleck: ya, sounds interesting. please do propose :)16:33
annegentleo/16:33
jaypipesannegentle: hi!16:33
annegentleI've had a couple of people ask why they can't log bugs... and I can't remember what I had to do to be able to log bugs in Launchpad... is it permissions-based?16:34
* annegentle gets lotsa OpenStack questions16:34
jaypipesannegentle: anyone should be able to file a bug on any project16:34
jaypipesannegentle: if they can't, that's a bug :)16:34
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jaypipesannegentle: now... to *target* a bug to a milestone or assign it to someone, you need to be a member of the driver and/or admin group, respectively16:35
annegentleok, literally they don't see the "Report a bug" with an arrow...16:35
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jaypipesannegentle: they DO need to be logged in to LP :)16:35
jaypipesi.e. there's no support for anonymous bug filing16:36
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annegentlejaypipes: yep, he is... ok figured it out16:38
jaypipesannegentle: cool :)16:38
jaypipesOK, sounds like we're done with the meeting...16:38
annegentleok just for the record he kept going to groups instead of projects :)16:38
jaypipespatelna: no worries, I'll be sending an update email out to the ML shortly.16:38
annegentlecan't log bugs against groups :)16:39
jaypipesannegentle: aha!16:39
patelnathanks16:39
mtaylorwe should be able to log bugs against groups :)16:39
patelnajust joined ...lost my time zone after I came back from India/DST16:39
jaypipespatelna: any time! the daylight savings has caught lots of folks :)16:39
patelna:)16:39
jaypipesOK, till next time all!16:39
jaypipes#endmeeting16:39
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dwalleckoff to work!16:40
jaypipesindeed!16:40
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nati2Hi ho16:57
rohitkHi nati16:58
rohitk http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-11-16-16.04.log.html16:59
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donaldngo_hpdid the qa meeting time change to 8 am?17:01
donaldngo_hppst17:01
nati2Ahh really?17:04
nati2OMG...17:04
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donaldngo_hpyea i think daylight savings time messed up our calenders17:05
nati2donaldngo_hp: rohitk: thanks :)17:07
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jaypipesdonaldngo_hp, nati2: I'm going to propose we move the QA meeting back an hour...17:40
jaypipesdonaldngo_hp, nati2: everyone's gotten messed up with daylight savings in US. :)17:41
donaldngo_hpsounds good17:42
jaypipesdonaldngo_hp: you in the bay area?17:42
nati2jaypipes: cool!17:42
nati2jaypipes: Just update from my side (Sorry it too late for meeting.)  I checked openstack-chef. Good news! It looks it support KVM also.17:43
jaypipesnati2: excellent.17:43
nati2jaypipes: But some keystone config work is still needed.  I update api-paste.ini for keystone, and requested review17:44
jaypipesnati2: I know, I already reviewed it :)17:44
nati2jaypipes: And also I wrote packaging script17:44
nati2jaypipes: Thanks!17:44
nati2And also I wrote packaging script17:45
nati2https://github.com/ntt-pf-lab/devstack/tree/packaging_script17:45
nati2build_package.sh17:45
nati2It create the nova, glance, keystone, novaclient package from branch setting on devstack17:45
nati2Then I created virtualbox image which installed ubuntu-ochectoller (Monty`s setting) and chef-server and apt-repos (for local testing)17:46
nati2Ah and one more good news. Ravi and donald from HP will support forward-porting of our test code.17:47
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jaypipesnati2: very good news on all points17:48
nati2jaypipes: the virtual box image could be used as an installer for freecloud datacenters and CI environments :)17:52
jaypipesnati2: oh, excellent :)17:55
nati2jaypipes: Thanks :)17:56
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mtaylornati2, jaypipes: I'd love it if we could leverage the work in http://ci.openstack.org/jenkins.html#integration-testing for freecloud deployment, since that's how we're aiming to deploy CI environments18:02
mtaylornati2: how is a virtualbox image used to install onto bare metal without a virtualbox server? is this possible?18:03
nati2mtaylor: jaypipes: Yes it it usefull :)18:03
mtaylornati2: or - perhaps we can take the script that you used to create the virtualbox image and use that to create the base snapshot for pxe/cobbler?18:03
nati2mtaylor: Virtualbox networking mode has bridge mode18:04
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nati2So it is no different from psychical machine from network.18:05
mtaylornati2: sorry - I don't know what you mean there? are you suggesting installing virtualbox on the servers, and then running an image inside of virtualbox?18:05
mtaylorah. ok. I see18:05
mtaylorso - I think we have all the tools to actually be able to install direct to bare metal. but I'm excited about having the virtualbox image availble to poke at18:06
nati2mtaylor:  This is my plan to install. Bring notebook to datacenter. In the notebook the VM running on bridge mode.18:06
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mtaylornati2: AHHHHHHH18:07
mtaylornati2: sorry - I misread things above18:07
mtaylornati2: I thought you were talking about installing actual nova-compute nodes on top of virtualbox, and I was confused.18:08
mtaylornati2: yes - what you are talking about there makes more sense18:08
nati2mtaylor: ;P18:08
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mtaylornati2: I _would_ like to eventually have one of the machines in the freecloud rack configured to be the orchestra and chef server ... but starting with vbox in the laptop sounds find18:09
mtaylorfine18:09
nati2mtaylor: Yup, It is easy to depulicate environments18:09
nati2mtaylor: setting up orchestra was pretty easy, But chef was not. So the VM may help to create new env.18:10
mtaylor++18:10
mtaylorchef is not easy18:10
nati2mtaylor: Ah! I have a news for you18:11
mtayloryes? I like news18:11
nati2mtaylor: https://github.com/ntt-pf-lab/devstack/blob/packaging_script/build_package.sh18:11
nati2I wrote a packaging script18:11
mtayloryes - I saw that18:11
mtayloryou are using packaging from ntt-pf-lab for glance and keystone :)18:12
nati2I wanna create real deploy version of test by packaging and chef18:12
nati2Ah yes for now. They have some bugs on postinst script18:12
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nati2And I didn't know the workflow to modify these branch18:12
mtaylorcool. let me send you a patch for something - there is a tool called bzr-builddeb that you can use from inside of those packaging branches18:13
mtaylorwhich can do a few of the steps you want in your build_package function18:13
nati2coool!18:13
mtaylornati2: I am running around like a crazy person this week - if I haven't sent you a patch in 2 days, please scream at me18:14
nati2My idea is like this. test branch with devstack first. Then craete package from devstack setting.18:14
nati2mtaylor: Thanks! I got it.18:14
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beekhofNothing today?20:04
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debo_os#topic donabe22:02
debo_os#startmeeting22:03
openstackMeeting started Wed Nov 16 22:03:23 2011 UTC.  The chair is debo_os. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.22:03
debo_os#topic donabe22:03
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debo_osI just sent out an email to the list with a call for participation22:04
debo_osThis week the only thing worth reporting is that we have been looking at Tosca - a specification format for apps by the DMTF folks22:04
debo_osunless someone else has anything else we can disband (assuming there are people watching this :)22:05
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debo_osanyone here for donabe22:06
debo_os?22:06
debo_osok then ... see you next week22:07
debo_os#endmeeting22:07
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