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| opendevmeet | Meeting started Wed Jul 6 14:00:06 2022 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is whoami-rajat. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 14:00 |
| geguileo | hi! o/ | 14:00 |
| whoami-rajat | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| eharney | hi | 14:00 |
| enriquetaso | hi | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:00 |
| felipe_rodrigues | o/ | 14:00 |
| luizsantos[m] | o/ | 14:01 |
| caiquemello[m] | o/ | 14:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 14:01 |
| whoami-rajat | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-zed-meetings | 14:01 |
| simondodsley | hi | 14:01 |
| HappyStacker | hi | 14:01 |
| nahimsouza[m] | o/ | 14:02 |
| lucasmoliveira059 | o/ | 14:02 |
| whoami-rajat | good turnout today | 14:03 |
| tosky | hi | 14:03 |
| whoami-rajat | we don't have many things on the agenda today but anyway let's get started | 14:04 |
| whoami-rajat | #topic announcements | 14:04 |
| whoami-rajat | first, spec freeze exception week | 14:04 |
| whoami-rajat | so we had spec freeze on R-15 week | 14:04 |
| TusharTgite | hi | 14:04 |
| whoami-rajat | then we provided the time of R-14 to request a spec freeze exception | 14:05 |
| whoami-rajat | and this is the week where the spec freeze exception deadline is | 14:05 |
| whoami-rajat | there was only one request for the quota system spec from geguileo | 14:05 |
| whoami-rajat | #link https://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2022-July/029374.html | 14:05 |
| whoami-rajat | so please review that spec on priority | 14:06 |
| geguileo | sorry about the size of the spec | 14:06 |
| enriquetaso | ack | 14:06 |
| whoami-rajat | no worries, verbose = good (at least for me) | 14:06 |
| whoami-rajat | please review and get it merged before 8th July! | 14:07 |
| HappyStacker | what is supposed to be the merge freeze for Zed? next week also? | 14:07 |
| whoami-rajat | HappyStacker, you mean the feature freeze? that's R-5 milestone 3 | 14:07 |
| whoami-rajat | HappyStacker, here's the whole schedule https://releases.openstack.org/zed/schedule.html | 14:07 |
| HappyStacker | for any patchset which are pending, I think yes it's feature freeze | 14:08 |
| whoami-rajat | so M-3 is for features and then we've time till RC-1 for bug fixes | 14:08 |
| whoami-rajat | moving on then, next announcement, October 2022 PTG Dates & Registration | 14:10 |
| whoami-rajat | I've brought this topic up before but doing it again just to get a realistic idea of the number of people visiting | 14:10 |
| whoami-rajat | from Red Hat's perspective, it is not final but might be 3-5 people visiting | 14:11 |
| simondodsley | It clashes with 2 other conferences so I have to see which takes priority | 14:11 |
| whoami-rajat | ok | 14:11 |
| hemna | I won't be able to make it. no travel budget | 14:11 |
| jungleboyj | I haven't started investigating yet but I think it is unlikely that I will be in person. | 14:12 |
| simondodsley | AnsibleFest always seems to clash - Red Hat should take note of this | 14:12 |
| whoami-rajat | oh ok, good to know | 14:12 |
| jungleboyj | Wow, that is a clash for sure. | 14:13 |
| geguileo | simondodsley: we'll pass on the feedback | 14:13 |
| geguileo | simondodsley: will that be a problem for you? | 14:13 |
| whoami-rajat | thanks for bringing it up simondodsley | 14:13 |
| simondodsley | Yes - I am a senior Ansible contributor as well. | 14:13 |
| geguileo | ouch :-( | 14:13 |
| simondodsley | Plus I have an Observability conference in NYC the same week | 14:13 |
| simondodsley | All my things at the same time | 14:14 |
| jungleboyj | simondodsley: I find you very observable. So, all good there. ;-) | 14:14 |
| simondodsley | he he | 14:14 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 14:14 |
| geguileo | simondodsley: at least the Observability one is not RH's fault, right? | 14:15 |
| simondodsley | True - that is DataDog | 14:15 |
| geguileo | so, is anybody actually going? | 14:15 |
| whoami-rajat | so if not a lot of people will be there in person then we can also continue with our current method of virtual PTG | 14:16 |
| whoami-rajat | geguileo, good question lol | 14:16 |
| whoami-rajat | i think sfernand said they might send someone for cinder | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | well, i don't want to go if no one is going to be there! | 14:16 |
| sfernand | hi folks I will be there :) | 14:16 |
| simondodsley | probably not - I think either Ansible (Chicago) or DataDog will take precedence currently | 14:17 |
| simondodsley | I did go to Berlin though... | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | oh, good, sfernand and I can find a conference room and zoom with the rest of the team | 14:17 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 14:17 |
| HappyStacker | I'm too newbie to attend ;-) | 14:17 |
| sfernand | Nahim will be with me and we will be splitting between Cinder and Manila | 14:18 |
| simondodsley | never to new to attend... | 14:18 |
| geguileo | hemna: will you be attending? | 14:18 |
| hemna | I won't be able to make it. no travel budget | 14:18 |
| geguileo | :-( | 14:19 |
| hemna | yah :( | 14:19 |
| geguileo | this isn't looking too good if only NetApp and RH plan to attend for Cinder... | 14:19 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: True. | 14:20 |
| sfernand | yep | 14:20 |
| hemna | SAP has locked down travel currently. Otherwise I'd be there. | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | no, and i really don't want to go to Columbus to have virtual meetings | 14:20 |
| whoami-rajat | agreed | 14:20 |
| simondodsley | Damn COVID. It's been a great excuse for companies to slash travel budgets | 14:20 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: Oh come on, that sounds like a blast. ;-) | 14:20 |
| geguileo | rosmaita: yeah, that's why whoami-rajat is asking | 14:20 |
| sfernand | hahaha rosmaita I'm already paying for the US visa so please do not give up from attending | 14:21 |
| sfernand | :P | 14:21 |
| geguileo | simondodsley: true, because "virtual meetings are the same thing" :-( | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | i've been to columbus ... would rather go to Hoboken | 14:21 |
| simondodsley | lol - so true | 14:21 |
| * jungleboyj laughs | 14:21 | |
| geguileo | sfernand: to be honest it's not looking good | 14:21 |
| hemna | worse than Atlanta though? | 14:21 |
| simondodsley | nothing wring with Hoboken | 14:21 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: It is Ohio. | 14:21 |
| simondodsley | Lots of good bars and restaurants in Hoboken now | 14:22 |
| hemna | never been, so I have no idea. lots of good racing there afaik | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | simondodsley: ++ | 14:22 |
| sfernand | geguileo: are you planning to attend? | 14:23 |
| whoami-rajat | thanks everyone for the feedback, it is helpful to plan further for the cinder PTG | 14:24 |
| whoami-rajat | which looks likely to be not many people there for cinder | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | so how does the count stand? sounds like sfernand ? | 14:24 |
| geguileo | sfernand: not by the looks of it, because I'm not sure RH will consider it necessary if only NetApp is going to be there | 14:24 |
| geguileo | I've been told by management that there is budget and that RH would be sending Cinder people | 14:25 |
| whoami-rajat | rosmaita, looks like it | 14:25 |
| geguileo | but it's going to be hard to justify the expense if it's going to be mostly redhatters | 14:25 |
| sfernand | geguileo: makes sense | 14:26 |
| geguileo | which sucks :-( | 14:26 |
| whoami-rajat | as geguileo said, it is true for most/all of the red hatters | 14:26 |
| sfernand | in case I'm the only Cinder folk there I could bring some content to Cinder newcomers or something | 14:26 |
| sfernand | I don't know | 14:27 |
| whoami-rajat | sfernand, that would be great, and we will conduct the virtual PTG so you can join from there as well | 14:27 |
| whoami-rajat | but i will leave that planning to the future and just proceed with the feedback received | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | sfernand: you will get a much better internet connection in Columbus! | 14:27 |
| sfernand | yes that would be actually very sad | 14:27 |
| sfernand | to join a virtual PTG in person | 14:27 |
| sfernand | haha | 14:27 |
| whoami-rajat | lol true | 14:28 |
| HappyStacker | new concept | 14:28 |
| geguileo | yeah, the worst of both worlds | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | well, this is a bummer, i was really looking forward to seeing people again for realz | 14:28 |
| geguileo | me too :-( | 14:29 |
| whoami-rajat | so i think we're done with the discussion or anyone has anything else to add to it? | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | well, on the plus side, i dont' have to go to columbus | 14:30 |
| simondodsley | ROFL | 14:30 |
| whoami-rajat | :D | 14:30 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: ++ | 14:30 |
| simondodsley | feedback for the next PTG - make it in Hawaii | 14:31 |
| jungleboyj | Bwah ha ha! | 14:31 |
| enriquetaso | hawaii++ | 14:32 |
| HappyStacker | a newbie in Hawaii, that's a good starting point haha | 14:32 |
| geguileo | that actually sound great, but unlikely | 14:32 |
| simondodsley | bahamas then | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | or Hoboken | 14:32 |
| whoami-rajat | ok, moving on to the next announcement else we will never finish with the agenda (sorry guys), New project added Dell EMC PowerStore Charm | 14:33 |
| whoami-rajat | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/846890 | 14:33 |
| whoami-rajat | I'm not sure how much that affects us as a project but thought it would be good to mention | 14:33 |
| whoami-rajat | the upstream repo is https://github.com/nobuto-m/cinder-dell-emc-powerstore.git (which is external) | 14:34 |
| simondodsley | good luck to them - i did the Pure charm | 14:34 |
| whoami-rajat | cool, so we've a charm repo for each driver? | 14:35 |
| simondodsley | only if the vendor decides to do one | 14:35 |
| whoami-rajat | ok, I'm not very much familiar with the project | 14:35 |
| whoami-rajat | next announcement, SRBAC goals for Zed | 14:36 |
| whoami-rajat | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/847418 | 14:36 |
| simondodsley | its basically for Canonical OpenStack deployment using JuJu | 14:36 |
| whoami-rajat | ack | 14:36 |
| whoami-rajat | so we've discussed about the RBAC work for Zed, which is not much but we've to do a bunch of cleanup in policy files | 14:37 |
| whoami-rajat | but the link points to an OpenStack wide goal, so feel free to go through it | 14:37 |
| whoami-rajat | i won't recommend until it's merged due to it's nature of constant change | 14:37 |
| whoami-rajat | but yeah, there's a patch on the revised goals based on the ops feedback at berlin | 14:38 |
| whoami-rajat | that's all the announcements from my side, anyone has anything else? | 14:39 |
| whoami-rajat | okay, moving on to topics then | 14:40 |
| whoami-rajat | #topic RBD backend QOS | 14:40 |
| whoami-rajat | #link https://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2022-July/029403.html | 14:40 |
| whoami-rajat | so there a mail thread asking for reviews on a patch implementing backend QoS for RBD driver | 14:41 |
| geguileo | In my opinion that didn't need a spec | 14:41 |
| whoami-rajat | and the author has also proposed a spec which we traditionally don't require | 14:41 |
| whoami-rajat | but anyway i thought it would be good for documentation | 14:41 |
| geguileo | it's just a cinder base feature implementation | 14:41 |
| simondodsley | it does need a BP though | 14:41 |
| whoami-rajat | geguileo, yep, same thoughts | 14:41 |
| geguileo | simondodsley: true, I forgot to say it in my reply | 14:42 |
| whoami-rajat | simondodsley, yes, they've registered one, in the introduction part of the spec | 14:42 |
| geguileo | oh, then I didn't forget, I saw it! I saw it! | 14:42 |
| whoami-rajat | geguileo, i said it in my reply that they require one, but later noticed they already have one :D | 14:42 |
| simondodsley | OK - I really don't care if they want to raise a spec but I get it isn't required | 14:43 |
| simondodsley | it does need your reviews addressing though whoami-rajat | 14:43 |
| whoami-rajat | so my point of bringing this up is it doesn't have to follow the spec deadlines and can be merged even in the exception phase, at least that are my thoughts | 14:44 |
| simondodsley | agreed | 14:44 |
| whoami-rajat | simondodsley, yes, i left some comments, if they can address that then we should be good | 14:44 |
| whoami-rajat | okay, so i don't think we've much conflict there | 14:45 |
| sfernand | as soon as they send a blueprint in time for the driver feature proposal deadline they should be fine, right? I would say to ask them to abandon the spec.. | 14:45 |
| whoami-rajat | let's see if they can revise it in time | 14:45 |
| whoami-rajat | sfernand, so I did abandon it since it wasn't worked upon for > 4 months but recently they brought it up and i think the spec is a good point of documentation for the backend QoS | 14:46 |
| whoami-rajat | but maybe it's just me | 14:46 |
| geguileo | whoami-rajat: I prefer they update the RBD driver docs, though ;-) | 14:47 |
| geguileo | and I noticed that our QoS docs are a bit of a mess | 14:47 |
| simondodsley | that is a given | 14:47 |
| geguileo | we have it split in one without anything explaining how everything works together | 14:47 |
| simondodsley | the main code patch will have to have that. It is is merge conflict as well at the moment | 14:47 |
| geguileo | split in 2 | 14:47 |
| whoami-rajat | geguileo, yeah, i was referring to apart from driver docs, since they're already written the spec so it at least provides the reasoning for why we are introducing it | 14:49 |
| whoami-rajat | anyway, let's see if there's an update by Friday | 14:50 |
| whoami-rajat | but the spec shouldn't stop anyone from reviewing the actual code patch | 14:50 |
| whoami-rajat | so i don't see any other topics, let's move to open discussion | 14:51 |
| whoami-rajat | #topic open discussion | 14:51 |
| geguileo | I have a question for driver maintainers | 14:53 |
| geguileo | Do any of you use 2 synchronize decorators in a single method? | 14:53 |
| geguileo | for example in a migration to lock on the source and on the destination? | 14:54 |
| simondodsley | not in Pure that I'm aware of | 14:54 |
| eharney | remotefs does | 14:54 |
| geguileo | eharney: thanks, I'll see if I can find it | 14:54 |
| eharney | (create_cloned_volume) | 14:55 |
| geguileo | ok, doesn't look like problematic | 14:55 |
| geguileo | since it locks on the volume id and not on host or some other storage thingy | 14:56 |
| geguileo | I'm asking because I've noticed a driver that can have a deadlock | 14:57 |
| geguileo | and I'm working on some improvements to coordination.synchronized to make it easier for drivers | 14:58 |
| geguileo | and wondering if this could be happening for other drivers | 14:58 |
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| whoami-rajat | we're out of time, thanks everyone for attending! | 15:00 |
| sfernand | could share the line with the possible deadlock you've found | 15:00 |
| whoami-rajat | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Wed Jul 6 15:00:09 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
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| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/cinder/2022/cinder.2022-07-06-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks all! | 15:00 |
| enriquetaso | thanks! | 15:00 |
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