Tuesday, 2019-07-30

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priteau#startmeeting blazar08:59
openstackMeeting started Tue Jul 30 08:59:54 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is priteau. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:59
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priteau#topic Roll call09:00
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bertyso/09:02
priteauHi bertys09:02
bertysHi09:02
priteauLet's wait a few minutes in case tetsuro and masahito join09:04
bertysSure09:04
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priteauWell, let's start09:09
bertysokay09:10
priteau#topic Shanghai Summit & PTG attendance09:10
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priteaubertys: Do you have news about your own travel request?09:10
bertysGood news, I will be in Shanghai from Monday to Friday09:11
bertysWhat about you priteau?09:12
priteauNot sure yet as we haven't received notifications about accepted talks.09:12
priteauBut with at least tetsuro and you over there, and maybe masahito and I, I think I can request PTG space for the project?09:13
priteauWe have to give an answer before August 11 and with next week's meeting being cancelled, we really need to decide now.09:14
bertysDo you know when you will receive notifcations about accepted talks? We can also check offline with tetsuro and Masahito in the next few days09:16
bertysSame deadline for project update/onboarding or do we have more time to decide?09:19
priteauI can't find the information about talk acceptance. Voting was open until Monday last week, so I hope it won't be too long.09:19
priteauUsually the call for project update is closer to the actual summit.09:21
priteauHowever, project onboarding is different now: it is now part of the PTG09:21
priteauSo if we want to have a project onboarding session, we need to request PTG space.09:21
priteau#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/007079.html09:22
priteauWe can synchronise by email next week if that's preferable.09:22
bertysI see, you have my +1 to request PTG space / have a project onboarding session but let's synch with our Japanese colleagues09:23
priteauSounds good.09:24
priteauWorst case we could have just a project onboarding session, if you are OK to manage it together with Tetsuro, and have a virtual PTG meeting separately.09:24
priteau#action Sync about PTG attendance by email next week09:25
priteau#topic Code review priorities09:25
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priteauJake (Jacob Colleran) from Chameleon has been getting more involved upstream, so we have some new interesting patches to review09:27
priteauThere is the implementation of network segment reservation (which I implemented downstream last year), and he's working on a spec for it09:27
priteau#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/668749/09:27
priteauHis implementation of floating IP reservation update: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/672763/09:28
priteauPerformance improvements for resource allocation API: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/672994/09:28
priteauAnd resource allocation API support in client: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/673106/09:28
priteauI will try to review this week as I will be out all of next week09:29
priteauIt's good that Chameleon folks are active upstream, we need to keep them engaged.09:30
priteauDo you have any comment about these patches?09:31
bertysRight, thanks. Will have some time in August to review those patches and be more visible upstream.09:31
priteauGreat news :-)09:33
priteau#topic AOB09:36
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priteau#info Reminder that next week's meeting (06/08) is cancelled09:37
priteauI will be out of the office all week and generally less responsive than usual09:37
bertysI will be out of office on August 15-1609:38
priteauIs August 15 a holiday in Germany too?09:39
bertysIt depends where you live, Munich yes09:41
priteauAnything else to discuss?09:41
bertysNo, we can finish early today09:42
priteauThanks for joining bertys! Have a good week.09:43
priteau#endmeeting09:43
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cmurphy#startmeeting keystone16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jul 30 16:00:13 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is cmurphy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
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cmurphyanyone here for the keystone meeting?16:00
vishakhao/16:00
gagehugoo/16:00
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cmurphyseems like it will be a short meeting today16:03
gyeeI am trying to attend to meetings at the same time. Let's see how it goes. :-)16:04
cmurphygyee: just do what i did and skip the other meeting ;)16:04
gyeeyeah :-)16:05
cmurphy#topic announcements16:05
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cmurphyif people are around, the topic for the office hours today will be a bug triage16:06
cmurphyi started a list in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-office-hours-topics16:06
cmurphyalso, reminder that feature proposal freeze is August 16, so a little under 3 weeks from now16:07
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* vishakha notes down the feature proposal freeze date16:08
cmurphyfeature proposal freeze means code is ready to review, no PoCs or WiP16:08
vishakhaok :)16:09
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cmurphybut I think that will only apply to code that implements specs, we'll apply just the general feature freeze to things like system scope/default roles updates and smaller features16:10
vishakhathat makes sense16:11
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cmurphy#topic review requests16:12
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cmurphyanyone have any special requests for reviews?16:12
cmurphyvishakha i'll take another look at your sdk change today16:12
vishakhaI have https://review.opendev.org/#/c/669331/ app creds16:12
gagehugoI currently do not atm, need to update that ksm one I have16:12
vishakha#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/673476/ small one16:12
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kmalloco/16:14
kmallocsorry, a little late16:14
kmallochere now16:14
cmurphyhi kmalloc16:14
vishakhacmurphy: thanks16:14
cmurphyi need some more reviews on https://review.opendev.org/63730516:15
knikollao/16:16
cmurphyhi knikolla16:16
cmurphyalso would be good to get the rest of https://review.opendev.org/#/q/status:open+topic:bp/whitelist-extension-for-app-creds+NOT+label:workflow%253D-1 in sooner rather than later so that we can also do client work this cycle16:16
knikollahi all, sorry for being late, had to run an errand.16:17
cmurphyno worries16:17
cmurphyi'm also hoping more of the team can chime in on https://review.opendev.org/669959 discouraging external auth with x.50916:18
gyeeI got Kerberos working, but it's kinda weird the way it is setup16:19
gyeedon't know if anyone is using it in a production environment, usability is not the best IMO16:19
cmurphycould we just use basic auth as the example?16:19
kmalloccmurphy: 637305 +2/+A16:20
gyeeyeah, basic auth requires something else in conjunction i.e. ldap16:20
cmurphyor just an htdigest file16:20
gyeeor some other pam module16:20
kmallocimo, you need something that translates krb5 -> saml.16:21
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kmallocor similar, direct krb5 to keystone is icky/always going to be...weird.16:21
gyeekmalloc, that's not how we advertise it16:21
kmallocgyee: doesn't matter HOW we advertise it, it should be the direction we take16:21
kmallocit's how most enterprise orgs manage SPs that aren't kerberized16:22
kmallockeystone should be no different on that front16:22
kmallockrb has never been well tested or maintained in keystone16:22
gyeeyeah, but with krb, we only have the principal to work with, no other attributes16:22
kmallocwhich is why you should be using a service that does the translation16:23
kmallocor front the idp with something directly that does saml16:23
kmallockeystone should drop/not care about krb support directly16:23
gyeeyeah make sense16:23
kmallocwhen we droped token bind (fernet), krb was mostly/is mostly dead (advanced features)16:23
gyeeafaik, there's no horizon support either16:24
kmallocexactly16:24
gyeeat least I can't find any doc on it16:24
kmallocjust not worth putting energy in when it can be skinned another way, espe. with how difficult it is to do principal only -> keystone things.16:24
gyeeyeah, I like the federation route with krb16:25
kmalloc:)16:25
kmalloctrying to save you some headaches and also making keystone easier to maintain long-term16:25
gyeeno argument here :-)16:25
cmurphyso consensus is not to use krb as the external auth example?16:27
cmurphywhat should be used instead, or should we start deprecating external auth altogether?16:27
gyee++ on deprecating external auth16:27
gyeeput it on the next user survey16:27
kmalloci'd deprecate external auth16:27
gyeeI am curious how many are using it in production16:28
cmurphyi think we just missed the bus for the next user survey16:28
cmurphybut i'm curious too16:28
cmurphyi can query the ml16:28
gyeesounds good16:29
cmurphy#action cmurphy ask for ops feedback on deprecating external auth on the mailing list16:30
cmurphyany other reviews to highlight?16:30
cmurphy#topic open discussion16:32
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cmurphyany other business?16:32
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cmurphyi think we'll move straight into office hours after this because otherwise we lose people16:35
cmurphythanks everybody16:36
cmurphy#endmeeting16:36
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