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| efried | #startmeeting nova-scheduler | 14:00 |
|---|---|---|
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 18 14:00:44 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is efried. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| cdent | \o/ | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| efried | what, I was like 45 seconds late | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | \o | 14:00 |
| efried | Changing over the laundry. Thought I was going to bleed into the next minute, but I made it. | 14:01 |
| cdent | that was a glance not a glare | 14:01 |
| * bauzas sits at the back | 14:01 | |
| tetsuro | o/ | 14:01 |
| efried | #link Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaScheduler#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:01 |
| efried | #topic last meeting | 14:01 |
| efried | #link last minutes http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2019/nova_scheduler.2019-03-11-14.00.html | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "last meeting (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:01 | |
| efried | #link DRY/clean up placement objects phase 2 https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:cd/de-list-phase2+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 14:01 |
| efried | ^ merged \o/ | 14:01 |
| efried | other ol bidniss? | 14:02 |
| edleafe | w00t! | 14:02 |
| * efried apologizes to non-English speakers | 14:02 | |
| efried | Any other old business? | 14:02 |
| efried | #topic specs and review | 14:02 |
| efried | #link latest pupdate http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-March/003865.html | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "specs and review (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:02 | |
| efried | #link negative aggregate membership https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/negative-aggregate-membership | 14:03 |
| efried | ^ Minimal additional work to make ready for Train | 14:03 |
| * alex_xu is googling | 14:03 | |
| efried | Folks could render opinions on: | 14:04 |
| efried | #link getting rid of backslash continuations https://review.openstack.org/#/c/641497/ | 14:04 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:04 |
| efried | and whether | 14:04 |
| efried | #link using ``code`` role in section titles http://logs.openstack.org/04/641404/5/check/openstack-tox-docs/1d2faee/html/placement-api-microversion-history.html | 14:04 |
| efried | is still ugly/shouting | 14:04 |
| efried | It appears to be bad on mac, fine on linux/windows. | 14:04 |
| edleafe | As the pep8 document clearly states, readability trumps absolute adherence to the guidelines | 14:04 |
| mriedem | i don't love http://logs.openstack.org/04/641404/5/check/openstack-tox-docs/1d2faee/html/placement-api-microversion-history.html but it's better than it was originally | 14:05 |
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| efried | mriedem: So IYO, go with it or trash it? | 14:05 |
| mriedem | i don't have a real strong opinion on this | 14:06 |
| efried | ight | 14:06 |
| efried | Maybe finucannot has one. | 14:06 |
| cdent | let's do whatever finucannot wants | 14:06 |
| efried | but I don't think he's around atm | 14:06 |
| bauzas | he's on holiday today | 14:06 |
| mriedem | heh i'm sure he has a bias since he added that to the docs theme tooling | 14:06 |
| cdent | my passport says I should be on holiday today too | 14:06 |
| bauzas | (Irish people have some times after a beer day, that's it) | 14:07 |
| efried | oh, is it a "bank holiday"? | 14:07 |
| cdent | on the island of ireland, yes | 14:07 |
| efried | Any other reviews to discuss? | 14:08 |
| efried | What about bps/specs lined up for Train? | 14:08 |
| cdent | I have some doc changes that landed this morning/last night | 14:08 |
| cdent | and are needed before we cut the rc | 14:08 |
| efried | landed meaning proposed? | 14:08 |
| efried | Please link, I will review soonest. | 14:09 |
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| cdent | (yes, as in landed on gerrit... ) there's still 1 or 1.5 big things left to do on the docs for rc front: upgrade from nova docs, and releasenotes review and prelude creation | 14:09 |
| cdent | #link from-pypi install: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/643938/ | 14:10 |
| cdent | #link restructure install: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/643919/ | 14:10 |
| cdent | #link database singularity fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/643915/ | 14:10 |
| cdent | #link cleaner usage docs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/643913/ | 14:10 |
| efried | ack | 14:11 |
| edleafe | cdent: will review those soon | 14:11 |
| cdent | do we have any volunteers for the upgrade from nova docs? It needs to be available for review by wednesday at the latest | 14:11 |
| efried | I wouldn't know what that looks like I'm afraid. Can we tap like a lyarwood or a tonyb? | 14:12 |
| cdent | why would they be good choices? | 14:12 |
| efried | Don't they know how to upgrade things? | 14:12 |
| efried | or, like, install things? | 14:12 |
| efried | See, I don't even know who *knows* how to do that shit. | 14:13 |
| efried | I'm clearly a terrible choice. | 14:13 |
| mriedem | wouldn't that doc, at the very least, essentially be a walk through of the steps in the grenade patch? | 14:13 |
| cdent | the issue isn't the way to normally do an upgrade, but rather the way in which upgrades are different | 14:13 |
| cdent | mriedem: yes, that's the plan, as stated on the pupdate | 14:13 |
| cdent | If nobody wants to volunteer I can do it, but I didn't want to clobber any toes that were already started | 14:13 |
| cdent | also by having me do it, that means there's an added "why can't he type!?" review burden | 14:14 |
| mriedem | doesn't matter to me, if you can't get to it i can put words to https://github.com/openstack-dev/grenade/blob/master/projects/60_nova/from-rocky/upgrade-nova | 14:14 |
| mriedem | since we both worked on it | 14:14 |
| mriedem | it won't be pretty but anything is better than nothing | 14:14 |
| cdent | I think given that you (mriedem) are probably in some criitical nova paths, I'll take it | 14:15 |
| mriedem | heh, i'm trying not to be, but ok | 14:15 |
| cdent | #action cdent nova-to-placement upgrade doc | 14:15 |
| efried | Spec-wise, I wanted to mention this as an early warning: I haven't started yet, but I plan to scribble down something to enable inter-provider affinity for various cases like NUMA and similar. We've brainstormed a few ideas on this at the past several PTGs but never really landed on anything (or, to my knowledge, written anything down). | 14:15 |
| efried | Perhaps as a lead-in, I should start an etherpad to gather ideas first. | 14:16 |
| cdent | While I think that's worth thinking/talking about, I would be put it pretty far behind getting nova using shared and nested more than it currently does | 14:16 |
| cdent | I think there are plenty of non-affinity-using use cases that are not yet filled | 14:17 |
| cdent | which is not to stymie any writing down. Definitely write down. | 14:17 |
| mriedem | speaking of docs, i guess i'll be writing something up about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/538498/ in the nova reference docs | 14:17 |
| efried | #link inter-provider affinity brainstorm etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/placement-inter-provider-affinity | 14:18 |
| efried | mriedem: Can't you get aspiers to do it? | 14:18 |
| efried | I mean, we already suckered him into finishing the patch | 14:18 |
| mriedem | he's been poked a few times so i think he's probably ignoring it | 14:18 |
| efried | And he did such an excellent job... | 14:18 |
| efried | okay. | 14:19 |
| mriedem | so i'll just puke up some words | 14:19 |
| mriedem | he's also busy backporting this sev stuff for suse... | 14:19 |
| efried | okay | 14:20 |
| efried | #action mriedem to document compute driver capability traits per https://review.openstack.org/#/c/538498/ | 14:20 |
| efried | anything else review/spec wise? | 14:20 |
| efried | #topic bugs | 14:20 |
| efried | #link Placement bugs (launchpad) https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement | 14:20 |
| efried | #link Placement storyboard https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project_group/placement | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:20 | |
| cdent | once RC is done and the dust settles, I intend to write up a refreshed spec on shared disk (after I do some learning) | 14:21 |
| efried | any bugs to mention? In particular, things we want in Stein? | 14:21 |
| efried | cdent: lmk if you want help with that. | 14:21 |
| cdent | when I checked friday there wasn't anything critical bugwise, except for the already mentioned docs | 14:21 |
| cdent | I'll do another review of that either later today or tomorrow morning | 14:21 |
| bauzas | that reminds me one question | 14:21 |
| cdent | but the impression that I had was that except for docs we are releasable | 14:21 |
| efried | cool | 14:22 |
| bauzas | what would we our backport policy once we cut RC1 ? | 14:22 |
| bauzas | for bugfixes | 14:22 |
| mriedem | same as always | 14:22 |
| mriedem | right? | 14:22 |
| mriedem | why change it | 14:22 |
| efried | I'm a little curious whether we backport bugfixes into nova-placement | 14:22 |
| cdent | yeah, what were you thinking bauzas ? | 14:22 |
| bauzas | should we have backports to Stein and older against both placement and nova repos ? | 14:22 |
| efried | yeah, that | 14:22 |
| bauzas | okay I'm cool | 14:22 |
| cdent | security fixes only to nova, I'd say | 14:23 |
| efried | I agree | 14:23 |
| cdent | because it's not supposed to be a "real" thing | 14:23 |
| bauzas | cdent: actually, it's a question to the placement team, would you follow the stable policy ? | 14:23 |
| efried | Encourage people to move. | 14:23 |
| cdent | bauzas: for now, yes | 14:23 |
| bauzas | if you follow the stable policy, all bugfixes, not only security ones, are candidates for backports | 14:24 |
| cdent | I think there is scope to talk (some ways in the future) about getting off the standard release cycle but that's not something to do any time soon | 14:24 |
| cdent | bauzas: yes, but nova isn't placement, so it doesn't matter | 14:24 |
| cdent | how | 14:24 |
| cdent | ever | 14:24 |
| bauzas | I don't get the answer | 14:24 |
| cdent | If we want to go back to rocky then yes, we would need to go back to nova | 14:24 |
| bauzas | if someone proposes a change against stable/nova, I guess we will accept it | 14:24 |
| cdent | i'm crossing my fingers that that won't be necessary | 14:25 |
| mriedem | let's deal with the hypothetical when it actually comes up | 14:25 |
| cdent | yes | 14:25 |
| edleafe | mriedem: I was just typing something similar | 14:25 |
| mriedem | i don't notice a lot of critical placement bugs right now | 14:25 |
| bauzas | well, we'll branch with RC1, but sure, let's not rathole on it | 14:25 |
| cdent | we've been really lucky so far, so let's hope it continues | 14:25 |
| edleafe | s/lucky/skilled | 14:25 |
| edleafe | :) | 14:25 |
| mriedem | we've had some stuff that needed to go to both like that one postgres fix | 14:26 |
| mriedem | for the consumers migration | 14:26 |
| mriedem | but those are fairly obvious | 14:26 |
| efried | Backtracking again, one more spec-ish thing to bring up. | 14:26 |
| efried | #link Nova scheduler using openstacksdk instead of direct ksa to talk to placement https://review.openstack.org/643664 | 14:26 |
| efried | Wondering if this needs a bp and/or spec. | 14:26 |
| efried | perhaps for the broader goal of using sdk for all our talk-to-services | 14:27 |
| mriedem | a broader change to the sdk yes would be a bp at least imo | 14:27 |
| mriedem | swapping the scheduler client stuff for sdk seems like not a huge win to me since the scheduler client is already just using ksa | 14:27 |
| mriedem | getting rid of cinderclient/neutronclient/glanceclient are much bigger deals | 14:28 |
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| efried | oh, for sure, the only win is proving that the tweaks made in sdk work. | 14:28 |
| efried | and establishing the framework in nova | 14:28 |
| mriedem | sounds like ptg fodder to me | 14:28 |
| efried | which, with the sdk tweaks, turns out to be fairly simple. | 14:28 |
| efried | k, I think I added it to the ptg etherpad already | 14:29 |
| mriedem | you'll just have to work on your sales pitch | 14:29 |
| cdent | wear a tie | 14:29 |
| efried | I'll just have mordred walk in | 14:29 |
| efried | whereupon the Harlem Gospel Choir will burst into song | 14:30 |
| efried | moving on | 14:30 |
| * bauzas won't do any "walks into a bar" jokes | 14:30 | |
| efried | #topic opens | 14:30 |
| efried | On the agenda: | 14:30 |
| efried | Should we further split objects/resource_provider.py? How? | 14:30 |
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| efried | This came up because cdent put up a patch to reorder the remaining 2KLOC of objects/resource_provider.py | 14:30 |
| efried | and I poo-pooed it | 14:31 |
| cdent | and we all ran screaming | 14:31 |
| efried | and said I wanted to instead/first split resource_provider.py into (yet) smaller chunks | 14:31 |
| efried | The only obvious way to do this is to sub-module it based on what things you're mucking with on the resource provider. | 14:31 |
| cdent | another is db/not-db | 14:32 |
| efried | So we have a module for Trait, where you mess with actual traits; but there would be a resource_provider.traits where you would mess with a resource provider's traits. | 14:32 |
| cdent | but that's probably more invasive | 14:32 |
| edleafe | I really don't like the idea of sub modules | 14:32 |
| efried | I talked to edleafe last week about this, and he really didn't like the idea of sub modules. | 14:32 |
| edleafe | RPs are big, complex things. It stands to reason that the code to describe them would be large. | 14:33 |
| efried | how do others feel? Is 2KLOC small enough to not be worth the potential confusion of sub-module namespaces? | 14:33 |
| efried | also keeping in mind that resource_providers.py could grow | 14:33 |
| efried | unless tetsuro keeps trimming it down, which is ++ | 14:33 |
| cdent | My attitude is perhaps clear: I think long modules are bad news and that efforts to split them up seems to always lead to non-size related cleanups and bug fixes, so my preference would be that we consider size a bug, and fix things as possible | 14:34 |
| efried | #link -74LOC in resource_provider.py https://review.openstack.org/#/c/643729/ | 14:34 |
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| edleafe | Traits only apply to RPs. So where do we draw the line between objects.resource_provider.traits and objects.traits? | 14:34 |
| cdent | not because size is _literally_ a bug, but it is a good excuse | 14:34 |
| efried | edleafe: that's an easy one: objects.trait is for creating, deleting, and listing traits | 14:35 |
| efried | edleafe: resource_provider.traits is for changing what traits are on a resource provider. | 14:35 |
| edleafe | It really feels like an artificial split because of an aversion to a large module | 14:35 |
| cdent | efried: you started a placement-related ptg etherpad at some point yes? put "refactoring goals and constraints" on there, perhaps? | 14:36 |
| efried | I didn't | 14:36 |
| cdent | what am I remember then? | 14:36 |
| efried | I asked whether you did | 14:36 |
| cdent | alright | 14:36 |
| efried | in the middle of the night or on a weekend or something | 14:36 |
| cdent | #action cdent make a ptg etherpad with refactoring goals and constraints on it | 14:36 |
| cdent | (amongst other things) | 14:37 |
| edleafe | I would much prefer to reorder resource_provider.py to group all the trait-related methods together | 14:37 |
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| efried | don't forget to add it to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Train/Etherpads -- it seems like other teams have forgotten this. | 14:37 |
| efried | edleafe: it's already in that order | 14:37 |
| efried | which is another thing. | 14:37 |
| cdent | we already moved some trait stuff out of rp, | 14:37 |
| edleafe | Then I don't have a problem with it | 14:37 |
| cdent | and kept the rp related stuff (for setting) in rp | 14:37 |
| efried | I don't like the idea of reordering to class->public->private->alpha | 14:37 |
| efried | I prefer keeping related stuff together. | 14:38 |
| efried | (like, in a module, but failing that...) | 14:38 |
| edleafe | vim is really fast at searching :) | 14:38 |
| efried | Sure, so are real IDEs | 14:38 |
| cdent | The idea beyond that mode is that you don't have to have subjective debates (as we already have over what is "related" to something else) | 14:38 |
| efried | but it's nice to be able to see both methods on the same screen. | 14:38 |
| cdent | it's the same reason for stick to pep8 | 14:38 |
| cdent | they aren't good rules | 14:38 |
| cdent | but they are easy to calculate rules | 14:38 |
| cdent | if we try a little bit harder, we can paint both of these sheds before the end of the hour | 14:39 |
| cdent | or we could talk about something else | 14:39 |
| efried | yeah, let's move on. | 14:39 |
| efried | We have been carrying these three until we had a new PTL: | 14:39 |
| efried | (From last last last last week) Format of this meeting - new PTL to query ML | 14:39 |
| efried | (From last last last last week) Placement team logistics at PTG - new PTL to query ML | 14:39 |
| efried | #link post-extraction plans for placement specs/bps/stories http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-February/003102.html | 14:39 |
| cdent | (I'd enjoy seeing a refactoring and code structure ml discussion, btw) | 14:40 |
| efried | wow, I don't think I would enjoy that. | 14:40 |
| efried | that would go off into the weeds right quikck. | 14:40 |
| cdent | yeah, gist is: specs in placement repo itself, bps as stories in storyboard, but I'm going to formalize that after the RC | 14:40 |
| cdent | (sure it would, which is why email is a better place, it's async) | 14:41 |
| edleafe | +1 to specs in the placement repo | 14:41 |
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| efried | Yeah, I don't think that one is too controversial, we seemed to reach consensus fairly easily | 14:42 |
| efried | cdent: Would you like to open the discussion of fate of this meeting and/or PTG logistics here prior to asking ml? | 14:42 |
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| cdent | I think we have insufficient people participating here right now for any decisions made here, now, to stick. So I've got nothing on that, but if people have things to say, go for it | 14:43 |
| efried | yeah, just thought a quick brainstorm | 14:44 |
| cdent | If we make an RC and the world doesn't explode, I'll take core of that stuff soon after that | 14:44 |
| cdent | care | 14:44 |
| cdent | but speaking of core | 14:44 |
| cdent | I'm going to port the nova-cores to placement, but would prefer to only port those that are actually interested | 14:45 |
| cdent | a plan, which I'd like people here to verify or dismiss is: post to the ml asking for positive assent to be added to placement-code. That allows people who don't care or aren't paying attention to be dropped without effort | 14:45 |
| cdent | Thoughts? | 14:46 |
| mriedem | + | 14:46 |
| mriedem | fwiw nova-core itself needs to be trimmed | 14:46 |
| bauzas | that's fair | 14:46 |
| efried | ++ cdent | 14:46 |
| cdent | I'm not expecting there to be anyone who wants to participate but shouldn't, but if that comes up we'll cross that bridge | 14:47 |
| edleafe | And, of course, anyone who later decides to become active would be welcomed back | 14:48 |
| cdent | damn, was hoping to be able to shun | 14:48 |
| cdent | I got nothing else | 14:50 |
| efried | anybody anything else for opens? | 14:51 |
| efried | alright, thanks all o/ | 14:52 |
| efried | #endmeeting | 14:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 18 14:52:42 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2019/nova_scheduler.2019-03-18-14.00.html | 14:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2019/nova_scheduler.2019-03-18-14.00.txt | 14:52 |
| cdent | thanks efried | 14:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2019/nova_scheduler.2019-03-18-14.00.log.html | 14:52 |
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