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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 4 14:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Who's here today? | 14:00 |
| efried | \o | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| ttsiouts_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:00 |
| jaypipes | gooooooood morning Scheduler team! (said in voice of Robin Williams) | 14:00 |
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| efried | This is not a test; this is rock and roll. | 14:01 |
| jaypipes | ++ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | I liked last week's format of having people bring up their concerns rather than me going through a long list of stuff | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | Plus, with DST change it's too early and I haven't had enough time and coffee to prepare. | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | So... | 14:02 |
| jaypipes | :) | 14:02 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs and Reviews | 14:02 |
| jaypipes | I can go first | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs and Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:02 | |
| edleafe | jaypipes: the floor is yours | 14:02 |
| jaypipes | we are down to only three patches in the original nested resource providers series. just pushed a new func test that was requested by alex_xu on the REST API patch. | 14:03 |
| edleafe | kewl | 14:03 |
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| jaypipes | just noticed alex_xu's comments on the prev patch in that series. will address shortly. | 14:04 |
| edleafe | Any particular concerns? I mean, besides more review eyeballs? | 14:04 |
| * alex_xu is going to search robin williams | 14:04 | |
| efried | alex_xu The movie is Good Morning Vietnam; a classic. | 14:05 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: no, there's been a bunch of stuff merged, which is great to see. the series which adds lots of func tests for alloc candidates starts here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/517119/ | 14:05 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1-ntCFJ6uA | 14:05 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: I'll be addressing your comments on that patch and will review the remainder of that series today. would be great to get reviews from others | 14:06 |
| alex_xu | efried: thanks, added it to a watch list | 14:06 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: that's it for me. | 14:06 |
| jaypipes | efried: anything to add? | 14:06 |
| efried | Yeah, I'll jump in | 14:06 |
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| efried | I've got a pile of stuff that's been riding on top of nrp and the refactor series; now I'll need to rebase (because you know I'm all about rebase, 'bout rebase) and respin a bunch of it. | 14:07 |
| efried | For now, I think there's probably nothing to see here; and I'll be hitting up jaypipes for first reviews anyway. | 14:07 |
| edleafe | ok, great | 14:08 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: anything to discuss about traits? | 14:08 |
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| alex_xu | edleafe: no, I guess jaypipes have plan | 14:08 |
| efried | Oh, jaypipes and alex_xu -- we need to address alloc_cands affordance for NRP. Who's on the hook for that? | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | efried: I will be. | 14:09 |
| efried | Cool. Granular will be stuck behind that too. | 14:09 |
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| efried | Nothing else from my end. | 14:10 |
| edleafe | I have nothing to add re: alternate hosts. With the exception of a few small tweaks, the code has been gathering dust for over a month. | 14:10 |
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| * alex_xu is looing for the patch, and learn how the SQL done the NRP filtring | 14:10 | |
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| efried | alex_xu There is no patch. | 14:11 |
| cdent | who needs to do what to put some air on alternates? | 14:11 |
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| edleafe | cdent: it's entirely in dansmith's court. He and mriedem have put a hold on it. | 14:11 |
| * jaypipes thinks he's already reviewed the alternate hosts series... | 14:11 | |
| alex_xu | efried: yea, 'is looking forward'? that is the future tense i guess | 14:11 |
| edleafe | you probably have | 14:11 |
| edleafe | many times :) | 14:12 |
| efried | alex_xu Correct | 14:12 |
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| edleafe | Any other reviews to discuss? | 14:12 |
| cdent | Some of my stuff has merged, but three things remain: | 14:12 |
| cdent | cache headers: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521639/ | 14:12 |
| edleafe | #link cache headers: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521639/ | 14:12 |
| cdent | limt on allocation_candidates: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513526/ | 14:12 |
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| edleafe | #link limt on allocation_candidates: | 14:13 |
| edleafe | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513526/ | 14:13 |
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| edleafe | oops, bad line wrap | 14:13 |
| cdent | #link a config/auth bug fix that’s probably a backport candidate: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/523403/ | 14:13 |
| edleafe | #link limit on allocation_candidates: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513526/ | 14:13 |
| edleafe | ok, I've added those to my review tabs | 14:14 |
| cdent | the bug fix is a pretty easy review | 14:14 |
| cdent | the other two less so | 14:14 |
| edleafe | Anything else? From anyone? | 14:15 |
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| cdent | only to remind that the “other” section from the rp update is hoooj | 14:15 |
| jianghuaw_ | #link patches for vGPU feature - The bottom one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512965/ | 14:15 |
| jianghuaw_ | Jaypipes has finished the review and +2 on three of them. Thanks. but do need another core help to review:-) | 14:16 |
| edleafe | jianghuaw_: is that series is Xen-specific? | 14:16 |
| jianghuaw_ | edleafe, yes. | 14:16 |
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| edleafe | ok | 14:16 |
| edleafe | I wasn't sure if it affected other hypervisors too | 14:17 |
| edleafe | OK, let's move on then | 14:18 |
| edleafe | #topic Bugs | 14:18 |
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| edleafe | #link Placement bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement | 14:18 |
| edleafe | A few new ones this week | 14:18 |
| edleafe | Nothing too serious or complicated it seems | 14:18 |
| jianghuaw_ | edleafe, the change all were in driver and should only impact Xenapi. | 14:18 |
| edleafe | jianghuaw_: ok, thanks | 14:19 |
| edleafe | Anyone have anything to discuss about bugs? | 14:19 |
| ttsiouts_ | hey! | 14:19 |
| ttsiouts_ | I am new to scheduler | 14:20 |
| edleafe | ttsiouts_: hey yourself! | 14:20 |
| edleafe | :) | 14:20 |
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| ttsiouts_ | and I am looking for a bug to work on | 14:20 |
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| ttsiouts_ | :) | 14:20 |
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| ttsiouts_ | If there is anything I could help you with | 14:21 |
| edleafe | ttsiouts_: that's great | 14:21 |
| * bauzas damn DST shift | 14:21 | |
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| edleafe | ttsiouts_: if you look at the bug list from the link above, find the ones that are not marked as "in progress" | 14:22 |
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| jianghuaw_ | bauzas, hi. | 14:22 |
| edleafe | Look through those, and if any seem like something you want to work on, assign it to yourself | 14:22 |
| ttsiouts_ | edleafe: great!! thanks a lot!! | 14:22 |
| bauzas | jianghuaw_: FWIW, just reviewing your bottom change :) | 14:23 |
| jianghuaw_ | bauzas, thanks very much:-) | 14:23 |
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| alex_xu | ttsiouts_: there are also a lot of review can do, that is also a good start | 14:23 |
| edleafe | ttsiouts_: Even if you don't understand it completely, you can always ask questions in the #openstack-nova channel | 14:23 |
| ttsiouts_ | alex_xu, edleafe: Thanks guys! we'll be intouch!! | 14:24 |
| edleafe | ttsiouts_: thank you! | 14:24 |
| alex_xu | ttsiouts_: enjoy | 14:24 |
| ttsiouts_ | :D | 14:24 |
| edleafe | Next up: | 14:24 |
| edleafe | #topic Open Discussion | 14:24 |
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| edleafe | What's on your mind? | 14:24 |
| cdent | nufink | 14:26 |
| edleafe | cdent: you have all the non-native English speakers searching their dictionaries | 14:27 |
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| efried | Phonetic rendering of "nothing" with an East London accent. Though usually spelled with two fs. | 14:27 |
| cdent | That’s “nothing” spelt as a 16 year old grumpy british teenage girl might say it | 14:27 |
| * cdent is starting to get a bit worried about efried | 14:28 | |
| * edleafe has been worried about efried since he met him :) | 14:28 | |
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| efried | I had a girlfriend from East London for several years. She was a British teenage girl, as it happens. (Don't worry; I was a teenager at the time too.) | 14:28 |
| edleafe | I guess that means that we're done. Thanks for coming everyone! | 14:29 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 4 14:29:23 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-12-04-14.00.html | 14:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-12-04-14.00.txt | 14:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-12-04-14.00.log.html | 14:29 |
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| ssathaye | Meeting today? | 20:08 |
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| leong | hi rockyg | 21:01 |
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| leong | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 4 21:02:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is leong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:02 |
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| shamail | Hi everyone | 21:02 |
| rockyg | Hey! | 21:02 |
| leong | #topic rollcall | 21:02 |
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| leong | hi all.. | 21:03 |
| shamail | Here :) | 21:03 |
| leong | thanks for joining Product Team meeting.. :-) | 21:03 |
| rockyg | o/ | 21:03 |
| leong | #link today agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:03 |
| leong | i see shamail, rockyg , anyone else? | 21:04 |
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| rockyg | arkady was gonna join, but doesn't seem to be on... | 21:05 |
| leong | shall we wait for a few more mins? | 21:05 |
| shamail | I’m fine with that | 21:05 |
| rockyg | yup | 21:06 |
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| leong | hi Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:07 |
| leong | let's get started | 21:07 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello Leong | 21:08 |
| rockyg | Kewl! | 21:08 |
| leong | #topic Sydney Summit recap | 21:08 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | we really screwed up working session in Sydney due to reschedueling | 21:09 |
| leong | the WG session was "cancelled" as there are conflicting session at the same hour | 21:09 |
| shamail | Sounds like it :( | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | indeed. | 21:09 |
| leong | i also can't attend the BoF because i am presenting another session | 21:09 |
| leong | too many overlapping sessions at this Sydney forums | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | 3 of use had a chat at BOF. | 21:10 |
| rockyg | I think we need some ML scheduler for next time... | 21:10 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | so nothing really happened for the group at sydney | 21:10 |
| leong | #topic Future Plan | 21:11 |
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| leong | let's discuss what should we do next? | 21:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes | 21:11 |
| shamail | Sounds good | 21:11 |
| leong | i drop an email to few of you few days ago.. | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we got 2 responses to it. | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | SHamail oyu have any suggestions? | 21:12 |
| rockyg | I will respond soon. | 21:12 |
| shamail | So given that our working session didn’t have a good turn out, we didn’t present the development proposal to SIGs, and general low attendance. I wanted to ask whether we should A) identify a single task to pursue or B) send an email to the community to see if they still value what our charter states. | 21:12 |
| rockyg | I feel like we are a startup ahead of our time. Just when we start gaining traction, we run out of funding. Devs on the ML are asking about future roadmap now. And it's not there. | 21:13 |
| leong | +1 rockyg | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think we need to pursue A. If we are not successful the n go route B. But we need to talk to foundation befpore going route B. | 21:14 |
| shamail | +1 rockyg... well said | 21:14 |
| rockyg | Projects are finally mature enough to start planning beyond the next release. | 21:14 |
| shamail | +1 Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:14 |
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| rockyg | +1 | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | The one area were we had most success was roadmaps. | 21:15 |
| shamail | What are your thoughts Leong? | 21:15 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: agreed but that always felt more like a marketing than PM function | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | With foundation taking it over do we become part of that activity under foundation umbrella? | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Shamail - true. But this is where we were successful - people valued it more. | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | And with small team now this is where we can still impact. | 21:17 |
| shamail | It’s not a foundation activity, we are simply starting a roadmap team to decouple that work from PWG. Everyone is still welcome to participate... we are hoping to get more participation from the community | 21:17 |
| rockyg | So, with devs finally waking up, what about a PTL meeting or two that we facilitate about longer term planning/roadmap? We'd have to do our usual research for futures, but then we could drive them to get on the same page. | 21:17 |
| shamail | We can definitely still participate Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:17 |
| leong | shamail: i believe there is still value for Dev Proposal, however, "how to get adoption" is a big question | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we can drive themes but not individual features. | 21:18 |
| leong | shamail: i think we can try (A), see what's the response, then (B) | 21:18 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: we are not driving individual features | 21:19 |
| shamail | If we decide on option A then maybe we pursue a meeting with some PTLs as rockyg suggested and specifically ask whether development proposal is valuable | 21:19 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | So what are options for A? | 21:19 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | proposals are individual features that span projects and releases. | 21:19 |
| leong | for A, maybe SIG is a better place to start, which engage both dev and user | 21:19 |
| rockyg | dev proposals are good. Maybe we meet with PTLs for planning and discuss dev proposals after we gain more creds. | 21:19 |
| shamail | I think another option would be to discuss whether just planning is valuable in itself with them... (e.g. is process or planning is key deliverable for our team?) | 21:20 |
| leong | Dev Proposal is more for users to define/request feature for Dev | 21:20 |
| rockyg | Theirry used to run a weekly PTL meeting for release. We could do something like monthly or every other week with them if we can get them interested. | 21:20 |
| shamail | “Open Office Hours” type sessions rockyg? | 21:21 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky_ | I am back | 21:21 |
| rockyg | Might have been, but getting close to each release, it was a status meeting on all projects | 21:21 |
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| shamail | Gotcha | 21:22 |
| rockyg | Even just getting the PTLs to meet and discuss what each needs from the others would help. And toss in the dev proposals and we have something. | 21:23 |
| shamail | Leong: agreed on Dev proposal value but we first have to see if PTLs value planning feedback from this team before we ask users to work on Dev proposals | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky_ | I think we did a good job on creating dev proposal and reconsile across various user communities | 21:23 |
| leong | +1 shamail | 21:23 |
| rockyg | I can find the email thread about planning and we can respond to it... | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky_ | but even when we wewre full team we only managed to drive 3 proposals per release... | 21:24 |
| shamail | Yeah | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky_ | do we want to ask PTLs for feedback on proposals or SIGs? | 21:24 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky_ | I like pour proposal development process and hope SIG teams find it useful. | 21:26 |
| shamail | I think we want to engage PTLs to learn whether we can help with any of their planning needs around future releases. We can then use that feedback to determine which artifacts or activities we have currently could apply or whether a new approach is needed. | 21:26 |
| shamail | We could do the same thing with SIGs too | 21:27 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:27 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky_ | +1. | 21:27 |
| shamail | Are you good with this Leong? | 21:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky_ | I wonder if we should concentrate on new things like new alignment board is driving toward and drive these new requirements and processes into planning | 21:28 |
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| leong | shamail: i am fine with the arrangement, however, i need someone to drive forward.. | 21:29 |
| leong | given changes to my job scope, i now have limited time on Product Team | 21:29 |
| shamail | The million dollar question :) | 21:29 |
| shamail | leong: same here | 21:29 |
| leong | i think i also need to step down as a chair due to my other commitment. | 21:29 |
| leong | i can still participate but don't think i can contribute efficiently | 21:30 |
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| shamail | :-O | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky_ | SO what are the concrete steps we should do? and people/group to talk/present to ? | 21:30 |
| rockyg | So, first going to a TC office hours and discussing some of this would be good. | 21:31 |
| shamail | Do we even have enough cycles amongst those of here to move forward? | 21:31 |
| shamail | I can help with the conversations but won’t be able to schedule them | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky_ | should I talk to Mike Perez first on how we can help PTLs? | 21:31 |
| shamail | rockyg: +1 | 21:31 |
| rockyg | Arkady_Kanevsky_, +1 | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky_ | what are TC office hours? | 21:32 |
| rockyg | So, I can put up a doodle poll of TC office hours and we can agree on one to attend as a group. | 21:32 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky_ | +1 Rocky | 21:32 |
| shamail | leong: please send an email if you plan to step down so we can discuss sucession :) | 21:32 |
| rockyg | Three different times across the week where the TC hangout in their chat room and have open discussions | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky_ | Meanwhile I will ping Mike. | 21:33 |
| leong | shamail: will do | 21:33 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky_: +1 | 21:33 |
| shamail | Thanks leong | 21:33 |
| leong | shamail: i assume i will send to UC mailing list? | 21:33 |
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| shamail | Leong: +1 | 21:34 |
| rockyg | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-November/124964.html | 21:34 |
| rockyg | That's the link to the first email of the thread where the Roadmap and what it contains came up. | 21:34 |
| shamail | Thanks rockyg | 21:34 |
| shamail | I have to drop off soon... so rockyg will you reply you add something to a TC office hours session in US time zone and let us know? | 21:35 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky_: you’ll contact Mike? | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky_ | Yes | 21:35 |
| shamail | Thanks | 21:35 |
| rockyg | Yup. #action would be good. | 21:35 |
| shamail | ping leong | 21:36 |
| leong | #action rockyg to work on TC office hours session | 21:37 |
| leong | #action leong to email uc for stepping down Product chair | 21:37 |
| leong | #action Arkady_Kanevsky_ to ping mike on how to help PTLs | 21:38 |
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| leong | anything else on the table? | 21:38 |
| shamail | Thanks leong | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky_ | none from me | 21:38 |
| shamail | Nope, I gotta run myself | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky_ | thanks all. | 21:38 |
| shamail | Take care everyone! | 21:38 |
| rockyg | Thanks! | 21:39 |
| leong | thanks! | 21:39 |
| leong | #endmeeting | 21:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 4 21:39:13 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-12-04-21.02.html | 21:39 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-12-04-21.02.txt | 21:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-12-04-21.02.log.html | 21:39 |
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| jeblair | hi, anyone want to chat about zuul? | 22:00 |
| clarkb | hello | 22:00 |
| tobiash | hi | 22:00 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 22:01 |
| dmsimard | \o | 22:01 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 22:01 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting zuul | 22:02 |
| dmsimard | I don't have any particular topic in mind this week. | 22:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 4 22:02:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:02 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zuul | 22:02 |
| jeblair | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-11-27-22.06.html | 22:03 |
| jeblair | #topic action items from previous meeting | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:03 | |
| * fungi wants to chat about zuul too, just had evening chores which ran a couple minutes over | 22:03 | |
| mrhillsman | bah, i'm not on that ML :( | 22:03 |
| mordred | o/ | 22:03 |
| jeblair | mrhillsman: i have something to add about that in just a minute :) | 22:03 |
| jeblair | jeblair start email thread about merging into master | 22:03 |
| mrhillsman | cool | 22:04 |
| jeblair | i did that and mmedvede has volunteered to help get puppet-openstackci ready for this | 22:04 |
| * Shrews is around-sih | 22:04 | |
| Shrews | ish | 22:04 |
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| jeblair | there's a first patch already up -- needs some revision. hopefully we'll have that ready soon, then we can announce that we're going to do it and then do it. (!!!) | 22:04 |
| jeblair | clarkb fix https://review.openstack.org/516740 to call pip directly | 22:04 |
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| mordred | \o/ | 22:04 |
| rcarrillocruz | hola | 22:05 |
| jeblair | i believe that's ready for review now | 22:05 |
| clarkb | jeblair: that hapepned after much job debugging, was fun | 22:05 |
| clarkb | ya should be ready | 22:05 |
| jeblair | that'll get ara updated on openstack's install | 22:05 |
| jeblair | clarkb: thanks! | 22:05 |
| jeblair | #topic Roadmap | 22:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roadmap (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:05 | |
| clarkb | fungi should scrutinize it again as the original scrutinizer | 22:05 |
| * fungi is "the scrutinizer" | 22:06 | |
| jeblair | we talked about this last week, but i'll pretend i didn't just forget to remove it from the agenda | 22:06 |
| fungi | coming this fall | 22:06 |
| jeblair | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/53 now encodes the roadmap in storyboard | 22:06 |
| jeblair | we should update our docs / readme to point to that | 22:06 |
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| pabelanger | I have a few patchs up for command socket work, but will finish rebasing them today | 22:07 |
| jeblair | tristanC brought up that we should add the static nodepool driver to the release 3.0 list -- it's mostly written and will improve the experience for new users (simplifying what they need to do with nodepool before using zuul) | 22:07 |
| fungi | seems like a reasonable exception | 22:07 |
| dmsimard | +1 | 22:08 |
| rcarrillocruz | yes | 22:08 |
| jeblair | cool; and there was some support on the ml too, so i'll add that. | 22:08 |
| rcarrillocruz | and for non-openstack shops, is a great first step | 22:08 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 22:08 |
| jeblair | also, i realized that we should add 'get releases of github3 and gitpython' to the list -- those deps are currently pointing at unreleased git repos | 22:08 |
| Shrews | the finger multiplexor/gateway thing doesn't seem to be captured there. but i'm on it | 22:08 |
| pabelanger | +1 to deps | 22:09 |
| jeblair | Shrews: cool. i'd like to add that too, for much the same reason -- executors starting with root and dropping privs has been a major roadblock for new users, so it'll be great to get that out of the critical path. | 22:09 |
| clarkb | jeblair: any idea if upsteram will be receptive to that? eg do we just ask nicely? | 22:09 |
| jeblair | clarkb: they both have different issues | 22:10 |
| jeblair | afaik, all we need from github3 is a release. so we should ask nicely if we haven't. let's find out from jlk and spamaps if they've tried that. | 22:10 |
| jeblair | for git-python, basically they merged some major performance regressions. i submitted a pr to mitigate one of them, and i think there's been a release, so first step there is to verify that and update the dep and see if our unit tests slow down. | 22:11 |
| jeblair | if they still do, there may still be more work to do. | 22:11 |
| clarkb | gotcha | 22:11 |
| jeblair | (and in that case, we may need to evaluate whether we should continue throwing fixes at it, or look at switching to a different project that more aligns to what we need) | 22:12 |
| jeblair | (because git performance in zuul is... critical.) | 22:12 |
| jeblair | if those things all sound reasonable to folks here, i'll send an ml post about them | 22:13 |
| clarkb | wfm | 22:14 |
| jeblair | i'm going to abuse my chairpersonship and insert a topic not on agenda now | 22:14 |
| jeblair | #topic zuul project hosting | 22:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "zuul project hosting (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:14 | |
| jeblair | i've posted this infra-spec: https://review.openstack.org/524024 | 22:15 |
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| jeblair | it's a general purpose spec that will apply to other projects, but i also want to take advantage of it for zuul | 22:15 |
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| jeblair | in conversations with folks, i think there's widespread support for the idea that it'll be easier to communicate about what zuul is if it isn't buried in the middle of openstack/openstack-infra | 22:16 |
| jeblair | in particular, i'd like for zuul to have its own mailing list, to help separate traffic from openstack-infra / third-party-ci / etc that we have on the openstack-infra list | 22:16 |
| * jeblair waves at mrhillsman | 22:16 | |
| fungi | and... we already have a non-confusing irc channel! | 22:17 |
| jeblair | fungi: indeed! i think that's proven very useful | 22:17 |
| mrhillsman | nice | 22:17 |
| dmsimard | +1, there's often negative perception/stigma when people from outside the larger community see "OpenStack" associated with something.. experienced it first hand with ara :( | 22:17 |
| * mrhillsman puts on his glasses | 22:17 | |
| jeblair | i bring that up here because i'd like to get at least two things related to that in use before we release 3.0: mailing list, and git hosting aliases | 22:18 |
| fungi | on the mailing list front, we've already booted up a (temporary, until we can merge them all into a single server with different virtual domains) mailman server for another similar sort of non-openstack community/effort under the openstack foundation umbrella | 22:18 |
| jeblair | i think that's important for the 3.0 release so that in conjunction with that announcement, we can tell people "here is the mailing list to use" and "here is the location of the zuul-jobs repo we think you will want to add to your zuul" and neither of those will have openstack in the name, nor will have to change immediately after the release. | 22:19 |
| fungi | we can pretty easily do the same for the zuul ci suite effort | 22:19 |
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| mrhillsman | awesome gents | 22:19 |
| jeblair | fungi: ya. i'd like to take a stab at just getting the multi-domain-on-one-server hosting that we would probably prefer done real quick. if that drags on, i might advocate for a new, temp server. | 22:19 |
| fungi | sgtm | 22:20 |
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| dmsimard | Well darn, the github zuul namespace is taken https://github.com/zuul | 22:20 |
| clarkb | dmsimard: netflix right? | 22:20 |
| jeblair | yeah, we could ask him nicely. :) | 22:20 |
| dmsimard | clarkb: some random person | 22:20 |
| jeblair | nope, an individual | 22:20 |
| clarkb | oh as a root name | 22:20 |
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| mrhillsman | there is only one repo, and it is old | 22:20 |
| mrhillsman | unless there are private ones | 22:20 |
| clarkb | there are already other name collisions though | 22:21 |
| jeblair | i've registered zuul-ci.org for this purpose | 22:21 |
| mrhillsman | i have reached out to github before and took over an account | 22:21 |
| mrhillsman | well, got the name transferred | 22:21 |
| dmsimard | Worth a try I guess | 22:21 |
| mrhillsman | it is pretty simple to do and worth a try | 22:21 |
| jeblair | obviously zuul.com/net/org are already taken :| | 22:21 |
| jeblair | zuul-ci.org seemed like a reasonable compromise | 22:21 |
| dmsimard | zuul.io !? :D | 22:21 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 22:22 |
| dmsimard | (probably taken too) | 22:22 |
| jeblair | yes it is | 22:22 |
| mrhillsman | ffs | 22:22 |
| mrhillsman | yes | 22:22 |
| pabelanger | so, if we are moving zuul, into its own domain. Have we consider renaming zuul to avoid the whole netflix, ghostbusters, naming issues? | 22:22 |
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| dmsimard | Good luck trying to find a 4 letter domain name that isn't taken :( | 22:22 |
| SamYaple | zuul.io is pointed to rackspace vm somewhere lol | 22:22 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 22:22 |
| fungi | on the gh org name front, other than potential confusion there's probably not a strong need to mirror it to gh anyway right? | 22:22 |
| fungi | or do we need it for hosting the app? | 22:23 |
| mrhillsman | possibly can get :) | 22:23 |
| jeblair | fungi: not sure. i grabbed zuul-ci/ on github in case we decide we need something like that. | 22:23 |
| fungi | wfm | 22:23 |
| jeblair | but i don't have immediate plans to use it. | 22:23 |
| mrhillsman | i think it would be mirrored for sure | 22:23 |
| mrhillsman | but good to grab as you have jeblair just in case | 22:24 |
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| pabelanger | https://trademarks.justia.com/863/83/zuul-86383510.html | 22:24 |
| pabelanger | quick google of zuul trademark, have no idea of that is legit | 22:24 |
| dmsimard | huh, netflix would've trademarked it ? | 22:25 |
| dmsimard | cause that says computer software, not ghostbusters :) | 22:25 |
| mrhillsman | probably could discuss with board/staff on that front? | 22:25 |
| dmsimard | might be worth just asking legal-discuss perhaps. | 22:25 |
| mrhillsman | working out all those intricate details and just use what jeblair you have setup until it is required to change if at all? | 22:25 |
| fungi | talking with lawyers... i think i have a root canal i need to schedule for... whenever that is | 22:26 |
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| fungi | i've heard lawyers say discussing trademark searches in public is risky business anyway | 22:27 |
| mrhillsman | lol | 22:27 |
| jeblair | yes, i don't think this is the right venue | 22:28 |
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| jeblair | does anyone else have any topics? | 22:28 |
| fungi | because if you mention that you're aware of a mark the claimant can cite that as evidence of wilful infringement or whatever | 22:28 |
| * mrhillsman , "is no aware of anything"...default statement in 99.9% of situations :) | 22:29 | |
| ianw | wait, isn't this public? | 22:30 |
| ianw | :) | 22:30 |
| fungi | was more or less my point | 22:30 |
| dmsimard | Not a Zuul-specific topic but an update regarding ARA.. There's progress with 1.0 and I will soon try my hand at running a zuul v3 integration job in ARA's gate | 22:31 |
| clarkb | zookeeper cluster transition is happening | 22:31 |
| jeblair | #topic open discussion | 22:31 |
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| clarkb | could provide new and exciting real world ops data for zuul | 22:31 |
| clarkb | (not sure how much that will affect timing of operations for example) | 22:31 |
| fungi | clarkb: i left you some feedback on the ara upgrading change. i think the regex insanity there can be substantially simplified, but overall looks fine to me | 22:31 |
| dmsimard | new? exciting? zookeeper ? | 22:31 |
| SamYaple | zuul.cloud is available.... | 22:32 |
| pabelanger | I'd like to ask for more reviews on https://review.openstack.org/521324/ to determine support for shared ansible_host in inventory | 22:32 |
| dmsimard | SamYaple: I refuse to give in to all these weird TLDs :) | 22:32 |
| dmsimard | I'm sure zuul.ninja is available but yeah | 22:33 |
| clarkb | fungi: and responded. Thanks for the review | 22:33 |
| fungi | dmsimard: we should get a .zuul tld then, obviously? | 22:33 |
| SamYaple | dmsimard: you getting some old man syndrome going there? CHANGE OR DIE | 22:33 |
| dmsimard | If you have a few 100k$ to spare | 22:33 |
| SamYaple | fungi: com.zuul | 22:33 |
| dmsimard | SamYaple: that sounds too java | 22:34 |
| SamYaple | com.google existed asa mirror of google.com for a bit | 22:34 |
| SamYaple | that was funny | 22:34 |
| SamYaple | s/mirror/mirror image/ | 22:34 |
| dmsimard | Any other topics for the meeting ? :) | 22:34 |
| * SpamapS is dealing with priority issues, hopefully you can manage w/o me. :-/ | 22:35 | |
| jeblair | SpamapS: i'll make sure there's an email about important stuff related to you | 22:35 |
| pabelanger | I'd also like to finish off github.com testing this week, if possible. Right now we have a PR working on zuuv3.o.o, but want to confirm we are not leaking request limits or any other things we need to mark it off roadmap | 22:35 |
| SpamapS | I see something about github3, was there something I could help with? | 22:35 |
| * SpamapS is waiting for a 5 minute process to complete... have some time to see here. ;) | 22:35 | |
| jlk | we need them to make a release | 22:35 |
| jlk | or... if that doesnt' happen, perhaps identify what we need from the new release, and work around it? | 22:36 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: we wondered if you or jlk have asked sigmavirus24 nicely for a release | 22:36 |
| SpamapS | ah, k, no. | 22:36 |
| SpamapS | not i | 22:36 |
| jlk | We have a couple of times in the PR, but not outside of that | 22:36 |
| jeblair | cool, so we should get a volunteer to send a nice email with chocolates | 22:36 |
| jlk | I could do that I suppose. | 22:37 |
| pabelanger | tip4commit | 22:37 |
| jeblair | #action jlk ask sigmavirus24 about github3 release | 22:38 |
| jeblair | jlk: thanks! | 22:38 |
| mordred | pabelanger: I think we need to get jlk's move-gh-to-zuul-web patch finished up and rolled out- I think tristanC was doing some work on it | 22:39 |
| fungi | jlk: hopefully you're able to expense the chocolates ;) | 22:39 |
| pabelanger | mordred: okay | 22:40 |
| mordred | pabelanger: mainly because I thnk that shift is going to be at least slightly disruptive - what with needing to swap rewrite rules as well ... I totally agree with the things you said | 22:41 |
| jeblair | mordred, pabelanger: yeah. i mean, ideally it shouldn't matter -- it should work the same both ways. but it's a substantial change that could benefit from a close eye when we roll it out. | 22:41 |
| rcarrillocruz | is it safe to assume that the connection/port plumbing from nodepool to zuul is a 3.0 deliverable? i.e. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501976/ | 22:42 |
| ianw | "Puppet::Parser::AST::Resource failed with error ArgumentError: Invalid resource type vcsrepo " ... http://logs.openstack.org/48/525048/2/gate/legacy-infra-puppet-apply-3-ubuntu-trusty/887fbf6/openstack-infra/system-config/applytest/ | 22:42 |
| ianw | is this something we know about? ^ | 22:42 |
| fungi | missing the vcsrepo module? | 22:43 |
| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: i don't think it's a v3.0 blocker, but my guess is that since it's mostly written and looks like something we can easily iterate on after the release without worrying too much about backwards compat, we'll probably be able to land it before release. | 22:44 |
| rcarrillocruz | cool thx | 22:44 |
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| ianw | fungi: indeed ... the root cause is actually "fatal: unable to access 'https://git.openstack.org/openstack-infra/puppet-vcsrepo/': gnutls_handshake() failed: A TLS packet with unexpected length was received." | 22:47 |
| jeblair | anything else, or should we wrap it up? | 22:48 |
| fungi | i've got nuthin | 22:48 |
| clarkb | EOF | 22:48 |
| jeblair | thanks all! | 22:49 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 22:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 4 22:49:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-12-04-22.02.html | 22:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-12-04-22.02.txt | 22:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-12-04-22.02.log.html | 22:49 |
| fungi | thanks jeblair! | 22:49 |
| ianw | oh sorry guys, wrong channel | 22:49 |
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| mrhillsman | thanks jeblair | 22:55 |
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