Thursday, 2017-08-24

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toabctl#startmeeting rpm_packaging12:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 24 12:01:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is toabctl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.12:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.12:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging'12:01
toabctlping toabctl, dirk, apevec, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jpena, jruzicka, number80, kaslcrof12:01
toabctlanybody arround?12:01
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jpenao/12:02
toabctlhey jpena12:02
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toabctllet's wait some minutes of somebody else is arroung12:02
jpenaok12:03
toabctlfeel free to add agenda points to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging12:03
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toabctllet's start12:06
toabctl#topic pymod2pkg - handling singlespec12:06
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number80o/12:06
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toabctlfor https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492931/ I removed the pymod2pkg handling12:07
toabctlwhich does not work (obviously) . but the %python_module macro expands to python-%{**} python3-%{**} so it expects the name without the leading python-12:07
toabctlnot sure how to handle that with pymod2pkg. any suggestions?12:08
toabctlhey number8012:08
toabctlI wonder if pymod2pkg should return 2 names instead of one.12:08
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jpenalet me check the macros12:09
toabctljpena, it is the first line in the changeset12:09
toabctl%{?!python_module:%define python_module() python-%{**} python3-%{**}}12:09
jpenaah ok12:09
toabctljust removing the python- prefix would not work in all cases I think (eg. for python-cinderclient)12:10
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toabctlso pymod2pkg could return 2 names12:13
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jpenawhat if we have a new call in pymod2pkg where we return 2 names (for backwards compat)? Then we could have a second macro to get them, like py3pkg (or a better name)12:14
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toabctlhm. yeah12:14
toabctljpena, so we would need a second mapping for python3 ?12:15
jpenatoabctl: yes. We have several instances where the python2 and python3 packages have different names in CentOS12:15
toabctlwe don't not have to use the python_module macro. we could also expand this ourselfs12:16
toabctljpena, oh. interessting. do you have an example?12:16
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jpenayes: PyYAML vs python3-PyYAML12:16
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toabctljpena, that would mean that we need to handle that anyway in pymod2pkg, righ?12:16
jpenaright12:16
jpenasame for pyOpenSSL12:16
toabctlyou are doing crazy things in CentOS :)12:17
* jpena shrugs12:17
toabctlok. so somebody needs to work on pymod2pkg12:17
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toabctlany volunteer?12:18
jpenait's just you and me, with number80 hiding :)12:18
toabctlheh12:18
jpenaI can give it a look12:18
toabctljpena, ok. cool. thx12:18
toabctl#action jpena looks into a py3 mapping for pymod2pkg12:19
toabctlnext topic?12:19
jpenayes12:19
toabctl#topic packaging reviews12:19
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toabctlanything special?12:19
jpenanothing for me12:20
toabctlok. then next12:20
toabctl#topic backports merging policy12:20
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toabctlI was merging backports with just a single +2 (pardon) and wonder if we could change our policy to allow that12:21
toabctljpena, number80 any opinion on that?12:21
jpenadid we have a policy?12:21
toabctlwe do not have many reviewers and from time to time things are slow12:21
toabctljpena, heh. I thought we need 2 +2 :)12:22
toabctljpena, but tbh I think for smaller updates where CI is green we could just merge with a single +2 in general12:22
jpenaI'm ok with that for cherry-picks. To make it official and reach the other cores, could you open a thread in openstack-dev?12:23
toabctlsur12:24
toabctle12:24
toabctl#action toabctl mail to openstack-dev about single +2 for merging things12:24
toabctl#topic open floor12:25
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toabctlanything else?12:25
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jpenanot for me12:26
toabctlok. then thanks and goodbye12:26
toabctl#endmeeting12:26
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Aug 24 12:26:54 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)12:26
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-08-24-12.01.html12:26
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-08-24-12.01.txt12:26
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-08-24-12.01.log.html12:26
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bswartz#startmeeting manila15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 24 15:00:45 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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bswartzhello all15:00
xyang2hi15:00
gansohello15:00
zhongjunhi15:00
tbarronhi15:01
vkmchi15:01
bswartzso today's meeting will be pretty short I think15:01
bswartzthere's nothing on the agenda15:01
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bswartzjust 1 week to release15:01
jungleboyj@!15:01
_pewp_jungleboyj ヽ(´・ω・`)、15:01
zhongjunI have one15:02
bswartzThe main priority is to discuss any ship stopper bugs which might motivate an RC2 release15:02
bswartzzhongjun: if you have a topic we can cover it next15:03
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bswartz#topic Pike release15:03
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zhongjunbswartz: sure15:03
marksturhi15:03
toabctlhi15:03
bswartzso does anyone know of any ship stopper bugs?15:03
gouthamrhi o/15:04
bswartzI'm looking through the recently filed ones on LP and not finding any15:04
tbarronbswartz: i think we have to get the doc patches in stable/pike, am getting confirmation15:04
gouthamrtbarron: +115:04
tbarrondoc migration patches15:04
bswartztbarron: what makes you think that?15:04
bswartzI kinda don't like that idea, except for the install guide stuff15:05
xyang2otherwise we have no docs in pike15:05
zhongjuntbarron: +115:05
bswartzhistorically, docs were always published from master15:05
bswartzthere were no versioned docs15:05
xyang2bswartz: openstack-manual has branches for stable/ocata, etc15:05
tbarronok, doesn't have to be in rc2 but we have to get them in stable/pike:15:05
bswartzbecause backporting docs patches is a big waste of time15:05
tbarron"you can do a point release after the final deadline to have a tarball that includes docs, if you want, but we generally want release candidates to have changes that need to be tested"15:05
jungleboyjtbarron:  Yes, that would be good.15:05
jungleboyjDon't need an RC for it.15:05
tbarronquote from dhellman15:05
jungleboyjI don't think.15:05
bswartzso has the docs team shifted their stance on versioned docs?15:06
bswartzwe now publish multiple versions on docs.o.o?15:06
tbarronbswartz: I think the issue is that this is a pike deliverable for openstack as a whole15:06
tbarronand otherwise our docs will be missing15:07
tbarron40415:07
jungleboyjWe have a meeting at 11 central with the docs team.15:07
bswartztbarron: that implies that the website published from the stable branch only15:07
gouthamrbswartz: if you go to https://docs.openstack.org you will be redirected to https://docs.openstack.org/pike/15:07
jungleboyjHoping we can maybe better understand what is happening there with the release.15:07
bswartzand that docs changes to the master branch are reflected nowhere15:07
gouthamrso yes, all documents will be versioned... except API-ref15:07
tbarronok, but we don't have to have the changes in rc215:08
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jungleboyjbswartz:  THe docs changes to master go to <project>/latest15:08
* dustins skids in late15:08
jungleboyjdustins:  Safe!15:08
tbarronthey are ready to be merged into master, let's do that today if we can15:08
tbarronthen it sounds like we have a little bit of time for stable/pike15:08
bswartzI'm just confused about how this should be managed going forwards15:08
bswartzis the backport to pike a 1 time thing, and then we never backport docs changes to stable again?15:09
zhongjunbswartz: yes, we can not find our doc in  openstack-manuals master branch now15:09
bswartzor is there an expectation that docs changes get backported constantly?15:09
jungleboyjbswartz: Shouldn't have to backport constantly unless it is important.15:09
tbarroni think so, if we had done the migration in a timely manner we'd never have to backport15:09
tbarronunless we found something wrong in an old release and really want to fix it15:09
gansodon't we have to deal with config options that make sense for ocata but doesn't make sense for Pike?15:10
bswartzbut this implies to me that if we find and fix docs bug next month, users won't see the fix until queens ships15:10
tbarronbut we started the migration late so need to get it into pike15:10
jungleboyjtbarron:  True.15:10
gansos/doesn't/don't15:10
jungleboyjbswartz:  Well the question is if people will be directed to pike or the latest documentation on the website by default.15:10
gouthamrtbarron: actively reviewing.. i like the idea of merging everything today15:10
bswartzunless we do the additional effort of backporting the docs fix15:11
jungleboyjI don't know the answer to that yet.15:11
tbarronif they are deploying from master they should be smart enough to  build their docs from master15:11
jungleboyjtbarron:  ++15:11
bswartzit seems like we're putting extra burden on docs maintainers, right at a time when there are less of them, that's all15:11
xyang2without docs in Pike we have to refer users to stable/ocata: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/stable/ocata/doc/config-reference/source/shared-file-systems15:11
jungleboyjbswartz:  That is the point.  The burden isn't on them, it is on us.15:12
bswartzI actually think it's better for users to have versioned docs where all the versions are perfectly maintained an accurate -- but in the past the docs team said that was too much effort so we wouldn't do it15:12
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jungleboyjLooks like, at the moment, the website goes to pike by default.15:12
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tbarronbswartz: aren't these meta discussions that should be on openstack dev mail or #openstack-doc irc?15:13
tbarronpractically, we need to merge these15:13
bswartzokay so going forward people who work on docs need to be aware of branches and backports and all the fun stuff that developers have to deal with15:13
tbarronand then backport them this once, but the backport doesn't have to be before rc2 is cut15:13
jungleboyjbswartz:  I think that is accurate.15:14
bswartztbarron: it is a meta discussion but I want to make sure I understand the current community stance because it seems I was living in the past15:14
tbarrongoing forward the people who work on manila docs are contributors just like developers, working in manila tree15:14
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tbarronbswartz: ack15:14
bswartzokay15:14
bswartzwell then I support merging docs to master and backporting them asap15:15
bswartzI'm still unclear on the status of RC215:15
jungleboyjThat is what Cinder has been doing.15:15
bswartzwhy not cut an RC2 after the docs are sorted out?15:15
bswartzis the problem just that it's too late to do so?15:15
tbarronbswartz: we can, but we don't have to.15:15
bswartzokay let's see if we can get it done this week15:16
tbarronthat's all dhellmann was saying15:16
bswartzI'll push a tag tomorrow if we can get all the backports done by then15:16
tbarronkk15:16
bswartzsounds like no actual code bugs require an RC2 however15:16
bswartzwhich is good news15:16
xyang2bswartz: we can merge doc patches now, right?15:16
bswartzto master yes15:16
bswartzbackports evidently need my approval since the stable branch is in lockdown mode15:17
tbarronpatches are all under topic 'doc-migration'15:17
bswartztbarron: thanks for doing that work15:17
tbarronnp15:17
bswartzI'm sure it was not a small effort15:17
bswartzanything else on the release?15:17
tbarronzhongjun: I think I hijacked your agenda item, sorry!!!15:18
bswartzzhongjun: what was your topic?15:18
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bswartzno we're getting to her next15:18
zhongjunIt is a simple topic15:18
tbarronk15:18
bswartzher item was not on the official agenda15:18
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zhongjunbswartz: there are some tc goals in queens version. Such as: policy-in-code.15:18
zhongjun https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/queens/policy-in-code.html15:18
zhongjunIs this something we would also like to implement in manila queens version?15:19
bswartz#topic policy-in-code15:19
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bswartz#link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/queens/policy-in-code.html15:19
zhongjuntbarron: It doesn't matter, docs is more important than this topic15:19
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tbarronjust more imminent15:20
bswartzwell of course we're interested in all of the TC's official goals15:20
zhongjunbswartz: Do we need a spec for this work? Since we already had a common spec in tc-specs.15:20
bswartzif this is one of the already agreed-to ones then we need to understand what is required for manila and prepare a response15:20
tbarronzhongjun: you were telling me this may be a non-trivial amount of work, right?15:20
tbarronbut that we need to do it15:21
zhongjunBut the common spec lack of Proposed change section about how to do it in manila. It just cite the sample about how to implement this feature in nova and keystone.15:21
bswartzI would like a manila-specific spec to track the work on the manila side for anything nontrivial15:21
gansozhongjun: I think if the sample applies to manila as well there would be no need for a spec, right bswartz ?15:21
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zhongjuntbarron: yeah, it will  affect all APIs15:22
bswartzthe spec can liberally refer to other documents15:22
tbarronzhongjun: then I think a spec is appropriate and helpful15:22
bswartzmanila is not exactly like other projects so it's worth at least considering all of the ramifications of the change for us15:22
bswartzplease make sure that topic ends up on the PTG etherpad too15:23
bswartz#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ptg-queens15:23
bswartzoh I see it's here already15:23
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bswartzzhongjun: should we discuss any specifics today or should we just cover this at PTG?15:24
zhongjunbswartz: yeah, we could do it earlier if we have plan about it15:25
bswartzI'll need to look at any other TC goals before then too15:25
tbarronzhongjun: were you thinking of working on this?15:25
* gouthamr doesn't know how tbarron kept his head straight through these doc patches15:25
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bswartzhonestly I don't follow TC activities anymore since they stopped holding meetings on IRC15:25
tbarronif someone has a draft spec before PTG it might be useful :)15:25
tbarrongouthamr: I didn't, thanks for fixing my circular dependency chain15:26
zhongjuntbarron: yes, I am thinking of working on this15:26
gouthamrtbarron: that one was identified by friendly folks over at openstack-infra15:26
bswartzhehe15:27
tbarronzuul is easily confused15:27
tbarronactually, it just does the right thing15:27
bswartzalright15:28
bswartz#topic open discussion15:28
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bswartzanything else for today?15:29
bswartz#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/manila+branch:master+topic:doc-migration15:29
bswartzthese 5 patches right?15:30
amito-infinidatanyone is coming for the real (Denver) PTG?15:30
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bswartz.o/15:30
jungleboyj@!15:30
_pewp_jungleboyj ヽ(´・ω・`)、15:30
tbarronbswartz: note that there are also manila-ui, python-manilaclient, image-elements changes15:30
bswartzI'll be in Denver for crossproject and cinder meetings15:30
gansoo/15:30
gouthamramito-infinidat bswartz and i'll be there15:30
amito-infinidatcool, see you there!15:31
dustinsamito-infinidat: I will not be there15:31
zhongjundustins: haha, me too15:32
bswartztbarron: ack15:32
bswartzalright I think that's all we have today15:32
bswartzI'll try for an RC2 tomorrow15:33
bswartzrelease is next week15:33
bswartzlet's be preparing for PTG with specs and prototypes15:33
bswartz#endmeeting15:33
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jungleboyjThanks.15:34
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ganso@!15:34
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lhinds#startmeeting security17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 24 17:00:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is lhinds. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'security'17:00
lhindshello anyone around? perhaps a quick rollcall...17:00
raildoo/17:00
lhindshey raildo17:00
lhindsping dave-mccowan17:00
raildohey lhinds :)17:01
dave-mccowano/17:01
lhindsping michaelxin mdong hyakuhei17:01
lhindshi dave-mccowan17:01
lhindsraildo, do you know dave-mccowan ?17:01
raildoyeah, we've talk once in a video call :)17:01
lhindsok that's good.17:02
mdongo/17:02
mdonghey guys17:02
lhindsok agenda, but we might be skipping a few17:02
lhindsmdong hey!17:02
lhindsgood to have you17:02
mdong=)17:02
lhinds#topic agenda17:02
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lhinds#link  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda17:02
lhindsplease make amendments if you feel there should be some ^17:03
lhindsso I think let's kick off with custodia at the PTG17:03
lhinds#topic custodia at the PTG17:03
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lhindsraildo we thought we would just chat with you as to what would be the best way to introduce us to custodia?17:04
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lhindsthis could be a demo and a small deck, or perhaps run it locally for hacking?17:04
lhindsthe plan is to host you in with the barbican guys, where security will room share.17:04
lhindswhats your view as to what would be useful....17:05
raildosure, I can definitely do a demo and quick overview in the Custodia17:05
lhindscool!17:05
raildoactually, I believe that is a great idea, so we can clarify all the doubts and find a way to work together on this stuff17:05
lhindsthat would be very useful.17:05
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lhindsdave-mccowan: any synergies with barbican you would like to dicuss at the PTG?17:06
lhindss/dicuss/discuss17:06
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dave-mccowannothing in particular wrt to barbican.  raildo: is custodia also on the schedule for oslo and/or tripleo?17:07
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raildodave-mccowan, yeah, we are trying to get an tripleo slot to discuss that integration with oslo.config and tripleo17:08
raildowe just need to define the better time slot (probably on thusday or friday), if not we will get an reservable room for that discussion17:09
raildoI'm just waiting for the Emilien confirmation(or not) to make that decision.17:10
lhindsthe barbican room is also thurs / fri, so be mindful of a clash..having spoken to dave-mccowan earlier though, its more flexible this end.17:10
dave-mccowanif that is more specific, then it probably make sense to also discuss custodia more generally in the barbican/security room.  we're happy to invite any/all interested parties.17:11
lhinds^ +117:11
dave-mccowanbut, if that discussion is also general, then maybe no need to double-up on custodia... we just need one well-advertised session.17:11
raildolhinds, dave-mccowan ++ I believe that we can make this previous overview on the barbican/security meeting17:12
raildoand for those more interested on that topic, we continue it on this second moment17:13
raildoactually I'd love to have someone on barbican/security team there, since I'm looking for something good for Barbican/Castellan too17:13
dave-mccowanraildo i'll attend the triple-o meeting too, and i'll bet alee will too.17:14
raildodave-mccowan, sounds great for me :)17:15
mdongwill there be recordings of these sessions? I’m interested in hearing custodia but I won’t be at the PTG17:15
lhindsthat would work for me too.17:15
lhindsmdong: I will see if it possible to record.17:15
dave-mccowanmdong i've heard the rooms have good a/v equipment.  it should be possible.17:16
raildomdong, lhinds if not, I'm totally fine in record a demo later17:16
lhinds+1 raildo17:16
mdongawesome, looking forward to it :)17:16
lhinds#action try to record custodia demo / overview17:16
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lhindsok, anything else missed? Sounds like we will firm the dates nearer the PTG?17:17
raildoyeah, as soon I have that date confirmed, I'll ping you guys17:18
lhindsright, thanks raildo ..feel free to drop into this meeting from now on, we need more folks even if just to chat and feedback17:18
lhindsok17:18
lhinds#syntribos17:18
lhinds#topic syntribos17:18
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raildolhinds, thanks for the invite :) I'll add this time slot to my agenda17:19
lhinds#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/syntribos17:19
lhindsmdong: seems like we still hurting from a lack of cores still17:19
lhinds(bandit has the same issue)17:19
lhindsshould we take that as a topic on its own next meeting?17:19
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mdongfor syntribos, I put up a CR yesterday on performance improvements - I’ve talked to my team here, they can help with reviews on this CR, I just need to get it ready for reviews17:20
lhindsmdong: sounds good, I saw the thread improvement patch17:21
mdongbut in general, yeah, I’m the only core dev that’s really active on syntribos17:21
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mdongif Bandit is also hurting for reviewers I can take some time to learn about it so I can help in the future17:22
lhindsmaybe we could discuss next week what we can do going forward, is the project being used internally in rackspace too?17:22
mdongyes, for a handful of projects recently17:23
lhindsok that's good17:23
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mdongwe can definitely talk about reviews next week17:23
lhindsyep, I will try and get Eric Brown to join us as well for Bandit17:23
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lhindsok, so I think we can close for now..I have some OSSN stuff going on, and some doc work, but nothing interesting.17:25
lhindsso if nothing else, lets meet again next week.17:25
lhindsthanks dave-mccowan , raildo , mdong - appreciate your attendance17:26
mdongthanks everyone, see you next week =)17:26
lhinds#endmeeting17:26
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