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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 14 14:00:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | Good UGT morning! Who's here? | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | With RC1 cut, and many cores on holiday, this should be a short meeting | 14:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 14:01 |
| dtantsur | a room full of people :D | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | Well, let's give people a few minutes to join. Otherwise, we can just wrap this up and get back to work | 14:03 |
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| * cdent wanders in | 14:05 | |
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| edleafe | Well, instead of going through the list of things, let's just do: | 14:06 |
| edleafe | #topic Open Discussion | 14:06 |
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| edleafe | If you have anything to discuss, now's the time | 14:06 |
| dtantsur | I think this is the last bit to fix ironic with custom resource classes: https://review.openstack.org/492964 | 14:06 |
| cdent | I’ve got something I’d like some eyes on, to see if the approach is suitable: | 14:06 |
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| cdent | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493536/ | 14:06 |
| edleafe | dtantsur: I have that patch on my review list for today | 14:07 |
| dtantsur | cool | 14:07 |
| cdent | I’m also curious if anybody has some ideas on strategy to find and tie up all our loose ends this week. | 14:07 |
| cdent | I’m not sure if we have many or not. | 14:07 |
| edleafe | cdent: well, first step would be: identify what the loose ends are | 14:08 |
| cdent | yes | 14:08 |
| cdent | <- dunno | 14:08 |
| edleafe | Me neither | 14:08 |
| cdent | but I’ll try to dig my way out somehow | 14:08 |
| edleafe | As dtantsur pointed out, https://review.openstack.org/487954 merged and I'll propose a backport to stable/pike | 14:08 |
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| edleafe | cdent: should the ksa patch also be in Pike? | 14:09 |
| edleafe | dtantsur: same question about your patch | 14:09 |
| dtantsur | yep | 14:09 |
| cdent | I’m not certain. It doesn’t count as a regression: we’ve had that problem since the dawn of placement in the resource tracker | 14:10 |
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| cdent | our advice has always been: get placement going before your restart/upgrade your compute nodes | 14:10 |
| cdent | but I guess in the world of asynchronous config mgt that’s not always happening | 14:10 |
| edleafe | cdent: understood | 14:11 |
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| cdent | I we are good people who want to make people’s lives nice we would include it, but I don’t think our policy accounts for “good” and "nice". | 14:11 |
| edleafe | is there any potential risk in doing this? I don't see any, but I'm not ksa expert | 14:11 |
| cdent | the cost/risk is that we’ll being hitting keystone for a new service catalog more often until placement is up | 14:12 |
| cdent | since we _require_ placement in pike (and earlier) I don’t see this as an issue | 14:12 |
| edleafe | So if they do things the advertised way, there should be no impact | 14:13 |
| cdent | correct | 14:13 |
| edleafe | If they do things out of order, there may be a slight rise in the number of keystone calls | 14:13 |
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| cdent | correct | 14:14 |
| edleafe | Well, I suppose it's all up to dansmith at this point. Tests will be added soon? | 14:14 |
| cdent | If they hit the bug, for whatever reason, they will have confused n-cpu process for however long the caching of the service catalog last | 14:15 |
| cdent | yes, basically my next thing to do after this meeting | 14:15 |
| edleafe | cdent: cool. Will review then | 14:15 |
| edleafe | Anything else today? | 14:16 |
| edleafe | going once... | 14:16 |
| edleafe | going twice... | 14:17 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 14 14:17:11 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-08-14-14.00.html | 14:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-08-14-14.00.txt | 14:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-08-14-14.00.log.html | 14:17 |
| cdent | thanks edleafe | 14:17 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting barbican | 19:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 14 19:59:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 19:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 19:59 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic roll call | 19:59 |
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| dave-mccowan | o/ | 19:59 |
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| namnh | hello dave | 19:59 |
| dave-mccowan | hi namnh | 20:00 |
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| alee_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | hi alee_ | 20:01 |
| alee_ | yo | 20:01 |
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| alee_ | just us? | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | and namnh | 20:01 |
| alee_ | hi namnh | 20:01 |
| namnh | hi alee_ | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic pike status | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pike status (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:01 | |
| dave-mccowan | RC1 has been tagged and stable/pike has been pulled | 20:02 |
| dave-mccowan | we had to revert some of uwsgi support, since castellan was not compatible with the new URL format | 20:02 |
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| dave-mccowan | we should be able to re-introduce uwsgi early in queens together with a castellan patch. | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | anything else on Pike? | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Upcoming PTG | 20:04 |
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| dave-mccowan | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-ptg-queens | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | just a couple weeks out now | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | any news on a visa namnh? | 20:04 |
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| namnh | I am getting the visa, it seems ok and I will interview on tuesday next week. | 20:06 |
| namnh | :) | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | Great! | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic any other business | 20:07 |
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| alee_ | dave-mccowan, think we're good today -- there will proably be more as we get closer to ptg | 20:09 |
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| dave-mccowan | namnh was there something you wanted to discuss? | 20:09 |
| namnh | dave-mccowan: do I need to notice? beside room and this link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-ptg-queens during ptg? | 20:11 |
| namnh | this is my first time | 20:11 |
| namnh | :) | 20:11 |
| dave-mccowan | namnh there is a register button on this page: https://www.openstack.org/ptg | 20:12 |
| namnh | dave-mccowan: ohh yes, I already have a ticket | 20:13 |
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| dave-mccowan | namnh did the foundation give you a code? otherwise, the tickets are $100. | 20:13 |
| dave-mccowan | namnh that's all then | 20:13 |
| dave-mccowan | if there is anything in particular that you want to discuss at the PTG, then add the info the wiki page | 20:14 |
| namnh | dave-mccowan: yes, they did. | 20:14 |
| dave-mccowan | are there other projects that you want to meet with, or only barbican? | 20:14 |
| namnh | thanks, I got it | 20:14 |
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| namnh | maybe, I will attend the skip-upgrade WG to listen about this trent | 20:15 |
| namnh | s/trent/trend/ | 20:16 |
| dave-mccowan | that's all i have for now. | 20:16 |
| dave-mccowan | if you get a chance, please test with the latest RC1 code, so we can fix any issues before final pike release. | 20:17 |
| namnh | dave-mccowan: thanks Dave | 20:17 |
| namnh | dave-mccowan: ok, I will try testing | 20:18 |
| dave-mccowan | thanks for coming alee_ namnh | 20:18 |
| dave-mccowan | #endmeeting | 20:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:18 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 14 20:18:26 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-08-14-19.59.html | 20:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-08-14-19.59.txt | 20:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-08-14-19.59.log.html | 20:18 |
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| jeblair | zuul folks? | 22:00 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 22:01 |
| Shrews | o/ ... but also cooking | 22:01 |
| jeblair | mordred, SpamapS: ping | 22:01 |
| clarkb | hello | 22:02 |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting zuul | 22:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 14 22:03:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:03 |
| jeblair | okay, i had hoped more people would be here :( | 22:03 |
| fungi | i am | 22:03 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zuul | 22:03 |
| fungi | but yeah | 22:03 |
| jeblair | you will note that i have cleared the agenda | 22:03 |
| jeblair | it has two topics | 22:03 |
| jeblair | #topic What needs to happen before PTG | 22:03 |
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| jeblair | i am not certain that we will be ready for the ptg cutover | 22:04 |
| jeblair | that doesn't mean we won't be | 22:04 |
| jeblair | but i would not place any bets on it at this point | 22:04 |
| jeblair | we have 20 work days until then | 22:04 |
| jeblair | many of us, myself included, have fewer than that | 22:04 |
| jeblair | if our pace were like it was 2 weeks ago: no problem, we're fine. | 22:04 |
| jeblair | if it's like last week: we're in trouble | 22:04 |
| leifmadsen | summer ftl :) | 22:05 |
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| jeblair | anyway, the point is not to speculate or try to try to convince ourselves one way or the other, but to try to get on the same page about what needs to be done | 22:05 |
| jeblair | and make sure that folks who are able to help know what to do to try to maximize our chances | 22:06 |
| jeblair | to that end, here's an etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-pre-ptg | 22:06 |
| * mordred waves | 22:06 | |
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| jeblair | that's just some things i brainstormed quickly | 22:06 |
| jeblair | if the stuff in the first section doesn't happen (some sooner than others), then i'm very likely to advocate we call it off. | 22:07 |
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| jeblair | the second section is what i think we could accomplish if progress is really good | 22:07 |
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| Shrews | what is "startup time"? | 22:07 |
| jeblair | the third section is not going to happen before the ptg, i just couldn't bear to title it that way. | 22:07 |
| leifmadsen | re: improved docs -- is that docs for migration, or just overall "how to use zuul" docs? | 22:08 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 22:08 |
| SpamapS | sorry I got distracted coding | 22:08 |
| mordred | Shrews: testing zuul startup time with the entire set of migrated job config for openstack | 22:08 |
| pabelanger | so, I have a good handle on what we need to do for tarball/publish jobs, devstack-gate is an unknown to me right now. Are we just going to copypaste bash scripts into ansible playbooks like we did with tox job? | 22:08 |
| fungi | leifmadsen: migration docs are already in the absolutely section | 22:08 |
| jeblair | Shrews: it was one of the risks mordred noted in the announcement. zuul has to read 2k repos in order to startup. we have no idea how long that will take. | 22:08 |
| fungi | leifmadsen: so i think improved general docs for zuul | 22:08 |
| mordred | pabelanger: d-g is in some ways easier since it's already in a repo that can be included in job changes | 22:09 |
| leifmadsen | fungi: ok cool, I'm (kinda) working on that as a "I have no fucking clue what I'm doing here!" person approaching zuul with github integration | 22:09 |
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| jeblair | fungi, leifmadsen: correct. i think our docs are mostly *accurate* for what openstack users will need, but they could still be improved from a narrative viewpoint. | 22:09 |
| jeblair | leifmadsen: and that pespective in particular is great and exactly what we need :) | 22:09 |
| leifmadsen | they are very hard to approach for someone landing on zuul and trying to spin something up | 22:09 |
| mordred | pabelanger: so I think the idea is to add d-g to v3 then iterate on the ansiblification effort that was already underway and get it to a point where it's decomposed enough that a playbook to drive it works | 22:09 |
| fungi | leifmadsen: the migration docs are likely to continue to be a priority after the cut-over as well as we discover things we didn't think to add, but this should at least be the minimal set of stuff we know will come up | 22:10 |
| leifmadsen | fungi: that's fine, I have no intention or interest in those :) (re: migration docs) | 22:10 |
| SpamapS | you know... | 22:10 |
| leifmadsen | I did notice a blog post from tristanC on RDO blog site recently (Aug 1) that might help bootstrap me a bit further as well | 22:10 |
| SpamapS | I know we'd like to ansiblify d-g | 22:10 |
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| fungi | oh, also the migration docs are likely to be of interest to operators of other zuul v2 deployments, i expect | 22:10 |
| SpamapS | but is it necessary for the cutover? | 22:11 |
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| mordred | pabelanger: which means we should be able to start with stupidly simple v3 jobs in the shade repo (shell: run_devstack_gate.sh) and iterate until they're better - but verifying that the changes don't break anything | 22:11 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: i think it's necessary for 2 reasons: 1) it will be more difficult to do it after the cutover and 2) i think we need to actually be able to show people what the system is actually for before we cutover. | 22:11 |
| pabelanger | mordred: right, ansibilfy effort isn't as much a technical issue, but we do spend a lot of time discussion the design. So if we have another etherpad session like we did for tox and tarball jobs, I think that will allow us to iterate at a faster rate. | 22:12 |
| mordred | pabelanger: ++ | 22:12 |
| fungi | so d-g as our "advanced usage" example | 22:12 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: otherwise, we're going to end up with zuulv3 being a *worse* zuul than v2 for most of what openstack uses it for, and our cries of "but no! we imagine it will be great!" will fall on deaf ears | 22:12 |
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| leifmadsen | so I gotta bail for dinner, but if anyone has interest in doing a bit of training on my side to speed up my knowledge transfer, I'm happy to take notes and write up some documentation, submit patches, etc | 22:12 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: I like some of v3's features that have little to do with Ansible.. so I'm not sure (2) speaks to me that loudly. But (1) is huge. | 22:12 |
| mordred | pabelanger: I agree. although I do think that d-g is going to be 'easier' since it's way more about doing remote things and less about the harder bits of secrets integration and whatnot | 22:12 |
| fungi | also, d-g provides us with a complex use case to help us find the rough edgest (by getting cut on them) | 22:12 |
| jeblair | leifmadsen: cool, i'll ping you tomorrow | 22:13 |
| leifmadsen | I'm pretty close I think to having zuul up and running (I have the first half done), but I don't have the nodepool and job run stuff done | 22:13 |
| mordred | leifmadsen: sweet! | 22:13 |
| leifmadsen | jeblair: cool, I feel like a bluejeans, showing where I'm at, what I know, and then someone helping to take me to the end would be incredibly useful | 22:13 |
| leifmadsen | it would get me to writing docs faster, and more accurately | 22:13 |
| jeblair | leifmadsen: can do | 22:14 |
| mordred | pabelanger: which is all just me being optimistic- I think we should totally do another session like we did for tarballs/publish | 22:14 |
| SpamapS | So would it make sense to stop painting the dark corners of the code base now and see if we can split up the d-g work even more? | 22:14 |
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| leifmadsen | rock on, bailing now, but ping me tomorrow or Wednesday | 22:14 |
| * SpamapS may be a week or two behind and that may already be happening ;) | 22:14 | |
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| pabelanger | for d-g, I would people interested maybe get into a sprint channel so we can dedicate some serious time to this? Because, it is hard just waiting for people to review ansible code. | 22:14 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: yeah i think so. i think at the end of last week, i put out the last code related fire that i think was holding us back | 22:14 |
| pabelanger | suggest people* | 22:14 |
| mordred | ++ | 22:14 |
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| jeblair | so unless another pops up, i will start focusing on these items | 22:15 |
| jeblair | maybe let's go through these items together real quick? | 22:15 |
| mordred | cool | 22:15 |
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| jeblair | #topic tarball/publish jobs | 22:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "tarball/publish jobs (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:15 | |
| jeblair | i think this can be quick | 22:15 |
| jeblair | mordred, pabelanger, and i made an etherpad for this last week | 22:15 |
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| jeblair | it took us a couple hours | 22:15 |
| jeblair | but we ended up with a discrete todo list (it's sorta in the middle of the pad, sorry) | 22:16 |
| jeblair | i think that was really helpful | 22:16 |
| jeblair | it's now missing a step | 22:16 |
| jeblair | as folks would like to see some more verification around secrets before we fully execute it | 22:17 |
| jeblair | completion of that may now be sitting behind writing some more unit tests and/or creating test jobs with dummy keys | 22:17 |
| jeblair | but aside from that -- does the list look okay? do we need to reassign any tasks there? will folks be able to work on that in the next day or so? | 22:18 |
| SpamapS | With the short horizon, I like the idea of just etherpadding the tasks and updating people via IRC when one changes things. | 22:18 |
| jeblair | #link tarball/publish jobs etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mVSVwG4xos | 22:19 |
| mordred | jeblair: yah - list looks good to me and with v3 up and going again I'm good to crank on the next bits | 22:19 |
| jeblair | okay, next: | 22:19 |
| jeblair | #topic devstack jobs | 22:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "devstack jobs (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:19 | |
| jeblair | i like the suggestion from earlier that we etherpad this like the other jobs | 22:19 |
| mordred | ++ | 22:19 |
| pabelanger | yes, please | 22:20 |
| jeblair | we have a lot of stuff done previously, but also, that was a while ago and things may have changed | 22:20 |
| clarkb | one thing to keep in mind with ansibilification of d-g is that final RCs for openstack happen next week. So we'll need to be careful merging changes to d-g (as many projects rely on it for their testing) | 22:20 |
| jeblair | so when should we do this? | 22:20 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: good point. we should be able to merge additive changes easily | 22:20 |
| pabelanger | any time works for me | 22:21 |
| clarkb | yup and the vast majority of the changes should also be self testing giving a good degree of confidence in them | 22:21 |
| mordred | yup | 22:21 |
| fungi | yeah, i think it ought not be too hard to make nondisruptive changes to d-g while working on this | 22:21 |
| jeblair | i guess another thing to consider is that we're also probably close enough that we could consider d-g slushy and start building new stuff in parallel. | 22:21 |
| jeblair | let me ask a different question first: who's interested in working on this? | 22:21 |
| jeblair | o/ | 22:21 |
| fungi | i'd be cool declaring d-g mostly-frozen similar to what we're starting to do with project-config | 22:21 |
| mordred | o/ | 22:22 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 22:22 |
| clarkb | I'm happy to continue reviewing the changes, though currently I've been quite distracted by the release :/ | 22:22 |
| fungi | i'm interested in it but disappearing for the next week-ish | 22:22 |
| jeblair | clarkb: that's useful too | 22:22 |
| jeblair | fungi: that's good to know :) | 22:22 |
| fungi | probably reviewing is something i can squeeze in at odd hours over bad connectivity for the coming week | 22:22 |
| fungi | blame eclipses | 22:23 |
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| SpamapS | o/ for working on it... but more to o/ to working on whatever needs doing | 22:23 |
| mordred | jeblair: we should also perhaps define how 'done' we want to get - I imagine we're not going to be *fully* done, and auto-converting all of the various d-g cargocults will be tricky - but probably we want to get further than a shell script that just runs safe-devstack-gate.sh yeah? | 22:23 |
| jeblair | pabelanger, mordred: would you like to finish the tarball/publish work before moving to d-g? or start our etherpad session for that sooner? | 22:23 |
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| pabelanger | jeblair: etherpad sooner is better for me | 22:24 |
| jeblair | mordred: yeah. maybe that's an outcome of the etherpad session (hopefully we'll have a better idea of structure then) | 22:24 |
| pabelanger | so I can start thinking about it | 22:24 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 22:24 |
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| jeblair | mordred, pabelanger: would you like to etherpad devstack jobs tomorrow? morningish or afternoonish? | 22:25 |
| fungi | so the general idea is that hooks are left as raw shell and we'll continue to source settings from the environment and continue using the same name for a gate wrap script as an entrypoint? | 22:25 |
| fungi | just trying to understand the overall scope | 22:25 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: tomorrow works for me, morningsh should be fine too | 22:26 |
| jeblair | fungi: let's get back to you on that :) | 22:26 |
| fungi | k | 22:26 |
| fungi | ;) | 22:26 |
| fungi | so not yet hashed out, something else which will come out of the etherpad brainstorming | 22:26 |
| fungi | though _if_ we stick to those basics, i expect we can provide a fairly smooth incremental migration for people without having to do it all for them up front | 22:27 |
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| jeblair | mordred: does 1600 utc work? | 22:28 |
| mordred | yup. I'd love it if that works for SpamapS - I think having his brain in the ehterpadding would be helpful | 22:28 |
| jeblair | SpamapS, clarkb: ^? | 22:28 |
| clarkb | I'll be around | 22:29 |
| fungi | i'll be around some later tomorrow (maybe 21:00 utc or so) and will gladly review the etherpad you put together | 22:29 |
| SpamapS | yes that works | 22:29 |
| jeblair | #agreed etherpad brainstorming for devstack-gate jobs tuesday 15 aug 1600 utc | 22:29 |
| jeblair | #topic migration script | 22:29 |
| SpamapS | and my brain should be fully booted back into zuulOS by then | 22:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "migration script (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:29 | |
| jeblair | ++ | 22:30 |
| jeblair | mordred has taken a stab at this | 22:30 |
| jeblair | i haven't looked at it yet | 22:30 |
| mordred | oh - don't | 22:30 |
| mordred | it's very incomplete | 22:30 |
| jeblair | oh, actually, let me say something first | 22:30 |
| SpamapS | Rust would be a bad choice for this, yes? | 22:30 |
| SpamapS | ;-) | 22:30 |
| mordred | :) | 22:30 |
| jeblair | i think the two previous topics -- the publishing and devstack jobs are things we need to get done first | 22:30 |
| jeblair | because creating jobs is what is driving understanding of pain points and surfacing bugs | 22:31 |
| jeblair | all of the stuff i've been sweeping up for the past few weeks directly came out of writing jobs | 22:31 |
| SpamapS | +1 | 22:31 |
| mordred | ++ | 22:31 |
| jeblair | so we need to have that work done early so we have time to discover those things and fix them | 22:31 |
| jeblair | similarly, we need to have it done early so that the migration script has something to output :) | 22:32 |
| SpamapS | We don't want to be tempted to paper over those blemishes with the automated script. | 22:32 |
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| fungi | hear hear | 22:32 |
| SpamapS | That's just duplicating v2.5's ansiblizer | 22:32 |
| jeblair | ya | 22:32 |
| mordred | yup | 22:32 |
| SpamapS | That said, this should have a solid foundation, so I think having one person get it to a poorly-not-really-working state now isn't a bad idea. | 22:33 |
| clarkb | ya my suggestion was to avoid that for the "core" jobs | 22:33 |
| mordred | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491804 is the one thing in the in-work migration script that's worth mentioning | 22:33 |
| clarkb | do it for everything else and point people at the "core" jobs as the example to then go and migrate towards | 22:33 |
| pabelanger | mordred: once run, we are doing a git commit and starting iterating on the output? | 22:33 |
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| jeblair | so this is proably something to start poking at, and as SpamapS said, start building a foundation , but we should plan on having the job work done before we really focus on this | 22:33 |
| mordred | jeblair: agreee | 22:33 |
| jeblair | (unlike almost anything else on the list, if we are still tweaking this the friday before the cutover, i will not be terrified. like, not thrilled, but not terrified :) | 22:34 |
| pabelanger | are we still planning on running against -infra jobs first? | 22:34 |
| mordred | clarkb: I think "core" here might be worth expanding - there's a set of stuff where auto-translation is both easy and desirable and a big win (tox jobs are a good example) and others where auto-translation will be next to impossible where we need to do something more like what you're saying | 22:34 |
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| clarkb | mordred: ya I tried to give examples of hte nasty jobs in my email to the lis tas well | 22:35 |
| mordred | yah | 22:35 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: i think mordred was looking at having jobs run continuously so we can keep an eye on the output (once it basically works) | 22:35 |
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| mordred | sorry I haven't responded to that yet - there are a few things we can do in some circumstances I want to highlight - but I broadly think we're on the same page | 22:35 |
| mordred | yah - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491937/1 is a followup to the above which runs the script and saves the output so we can look at it | 22:36 |
| mordred | or - it will be, once the "run the migrate script" job works and I don't have it looking for incorrect paths :) | 22:36 |
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| jeblair | #agreed work on foundation now, but significant work will depend on completion of basic and devstack jobs | 22:37 |
| mordred | but I'll start poking folks once that's ready to be looked at for real | 22:37 |
| mordred | ++ | 22:37 |
| jeblair | #topic startup time | 22:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "startup time (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:37 | |
| jeblair | sorry this was enigmatic, but i think it got explained earlier | 22:38 |
| jeblair | we have no idea how long it will take to start zuul the first time we do it at openstack scale | 22:38 |
| jeblair | we can actually preview this by adding all the the repos now, even though they don't have zuul.yaml files | 22:38 |
| jeblair | that should at least get us order of magnitude info | 22:38 |
| * SpamapS expects at least one wormhole to form once zuulv3 is fully formed | 22:39 | |
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| jeblair | but in order to get a realistic estimate, we need some more mergers | 22:39 |
| jeblair | given at least a few, we can probably extrapolate somewhat | 22:39 |
| fungi | this was hinted at in the discussion a few weeks back about testing that zuul doesn't fall over loading configuration at "openstack scale" i guess | 22:40 |
| jeblair | ya | 22:40 |
| fungi | cool, just making sure i'm connecting the dots | 22:40 |
| clarkb | you probably want to include the biggest repos in your subset just so that they skew you conservatively rathre than being missed and causing surprises later | 22:40 |
| clarkb | nova neutron openstack-manuals etc | 22:40 |
| SpamapS | are you more concerned about all the git operations, or python/gear/zk lag? | 22:40 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: git ops, gear data serialization, and config parsing | 22:41 |
| SpamapS | I guess it has to clone "everything" yeah? | 22:41 |
| jeblair | we can test the first with repos without zuul.yaml files | 22:41 |
| jeblair | we won't know the rest until we have the final config | 22:41 |
| jeblair | oh, quick aside: | 22:41 |
| fungi | oh, oof, yeah i hadn't considered the start-up time for cloning all those repos | 22:42 |
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| jeblair | another reason we need a good corpus of base jobs is that zuulv3's config routines are *much* less efficient thatn zuulv2. that is mitigated by the fact that there should be *much less* configuration than zuulv2 (eg one py35 job instead of 1600). that's only true if we are able to factor out our most common basic jobs | 22:43 |
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| mordred | yah. luckily the most common jobs are also the most consistent and similar jobs | 22:43 |
| jeblair | ++ | 22:43 |
| mordred | so there's big wins on each of those | 22:43 |
| jeblair | anyway, the thing we can easily do any time between now and ptg is to spin up some more mergers and/or executors, and add all the repos and time startup | 22:44 |
| SpamapS | That seems like a pretty straight forward and useful task to get done now. | 22:44 |
| jeblair | i was thinking that since we have lost some cloud capacity (hopefully we'll be getting some of it and more back soon), we might even spin down some zuulv2 launchers so it doesn't greatly impact our control plane size | 22:45 |
| SpamapS | I know we're all good at managing our own schedules, but did we want to maintain sort of a master authoritative list somewhere like https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-pre-ptg ? | 22:45 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS: i am happy to increase communication around things like that for the next few weeks | 22:46 |
| mordred | ++ | 22:47 |
| jeblair | i'll volunteer to drive startup time testing. i'll coordinate with infra-root folks about servers and report back when i have data. | 22:47 |
| jeblair | #action jeblair drive startup time testing | 22:47 |
| fungi | thanks | 22:48 |
| mordred | \o/ | 22:48 |
| jeblair | #topic migration docs | 22:48 |
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| jeblair | oh lemme link | 22:48 |
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| jeblair | #link migration guide https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/zuulv3.html | 22:48 |
| jeblair | that's a stub | 22:48 |
| SpamapS | I think storyboard is too heavy and will bog us down for such a short horizon.. however, I worry we'll get off track easily if we don't have a place where we can all look back to make sure we've remembered to do all the things we said we'd do. I also worry that if we don't have that place, that place will be "Jim's head" | 22:48 |
| fungi | saw you just updated the additional migration docs change an hour or so ago but haven't had time to look at it yet | 22:49 |
| jeblair | #link additional content https://review.openstack.org/489691 | 22:49 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: yes, my head is a bad place for things to be put | 22:49 |
| jeblair | there's more to add to that (that change adds todos as well as content) | 22:49 |
| jeblair | and once we manage to get all the things we think openstack folks need to know about written down there... | 22:50 |
| jeblair | ... i fully expect us to then rapidly add all the things they *actually* need to know about once they start asking | 22:50 |
| jeblair | so we should consider it a rapidly evolving document for the next 2 months at least | 22:50 |
| fungi | yeah, that will tend to get built up as an faq | 22:50 |
| jeblair | anyway, my plan is to try to add a little bit here and there over the remaining time | 22:51 |
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| jeblair | if we can get a good chunk of info in there sooner, that would be great -- we could send out another announcement and folks can start looking at it and thinking about it | 22:51 |
| jeblair | but i think the only critical thing is that we have it ready by the cutover | 22:52 |
| jeblair | anyway, please feel free to add to it -- even todo comments for big topics we've missed; i'll be happy to expand them | 22:53 |
| fungi | and be ready to rapidly add whatever comes up | 22:53 |
| jeblair | also, i've been trying to be a bit less formal than the reference documentation | 22:53 |
| jeblair | it could, honestly, probably be even less formal than i'm being, but that's a really hard thing for me to dial back when writing docs :) | 22:54 |
| fungi | i enjoyed the voice used in the stub at least, and skimming the pending addition it looks to be consistent, so cool by me | 22:54 |
| jeblair | (i think it's more effective the more it directly relates and addresses the openstack dev community) | 22:54 |
| fungi | people are going to be landing there when they're a little irritated, so a less dry and formal document will hopefully lighten their mood if even slightly | 22:55 |
| jeblair | fungi: good point | 22:55 |
| jeblair | we should add soothing pictures | 22:55 |
| jeblair | #topic open discussion | 22:55 |
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| clarkb | and ocean wave sound track | 22:55 |
| fungi | mordred is not allowed to choose the cat pictures | 22:55 |
| jeblair | anything else folks want to discuss? | 22:55 |
| mordred | fungi: not all cats can be un-moist | 22:56 |
| fungi | i have a misbehaving kitten who is being trained with the assistance of a spray bottle of water, and so is often rather damp | 22:57 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone for attending and pitching in on this. i'm glad we have a plan (and in some cases, a plan for a plan). i think we have a fighting chance of getting this thing out the door. :) | 22:58 |
| fungi | thanks jeblair! | 22:58 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 22:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 14 22:59:02 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-08-14-22.03.html | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-08-14-22.03.txt | 22:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-08-14-22.03.log.html | 22:59 |
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