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| toabctl | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 12:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 13 12:00:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is toabctl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 12:00 |
| toabctl | ping toabctl, dirk, apevec, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jpena, jruzicka, number80, kaslcrof | 12:00 |
| toabctl | #chair dirk aplanas IgorYozhikov number80 | 12:00 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: aplanas | 12:00 |
| dirk | o/ | 12:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov aplanas dirk number80 toabctl | 12:00 |
| toabctl | please add your agenda points to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging (as usual) | 12:01 |
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| toabctl | anybody else arround? | 12:02 |
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| IgorYozhikov | o/ | 12:03 |
| toabctl | let's wait 2 more minutes and otherwise we can just start | 12:03 |
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| IgorYozhikov | sure | 12:04 |
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| toabctl | let's start | 12:07 |
| toabctl | #topic pike1 milestone, should we package package it right after release || will wait for pike2 | 12:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pike1 milestone, should we package package it right after release || will wait for pike2 (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:07 | |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, ^^ | 12:07 |
| toabctl | or let me ask - why should we wait? | 12:07 |
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| IgorYozhikov | let's start | 12:08 |
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| IgorYozhikov | #topic - pike1 milestone, should we package package it right after release || will wait for pike2 | 12:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "- pike1 milestone, should we package package it right after release || will wait for pike2 (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:08 | |
| IgorYozhikov | As I know pike1 is going to be released in a couple of days | 12:09 |
| toabctl | see my question | 12:09 |
| IgorYozhikov | ah, sorry, missed it | 12:09 |
| IgorYozhikov | just asking, may be people could be busy. | 12:10 |
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| IgorYozhikov | If everyone are fine with it - that's great | 12:11 |
| toabctl | well - I guess everybody is busy :) | 12:12 |
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| IgorYozhikov | ok | 12:13 |
| aplanas | packaging it early will simplify the job later, isn't it? | 12:14 |
| toabctl | yes | 12:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | aplanas, agree | 12:14 |
| toabctl | let's just package what is available. there is no reason to wait | 12:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | wfm | 12:15 |
| aplanas | +1 | 12:15 |
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| toabctl | oki | 12:15 |
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| IgorYozhikov | just was concerned, it is good to know that we have power and bandwidth to do that +1 | 12:16 |
| toabctl | next topic? | 12:16 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes | 12:16 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic - ocata, do we have projects to backport? | 12:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "- ocata, do we have projects to backport? (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:16 | |
| toabctl | from the suse side we try to get monasca up and running | 12:17 |
| toabctl | that's why we backported a couple of things | 12:17 |
| toabctl | beside that, there are open reviews for swift and glance | 12:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | in MOS I found some of depends needed to be built | 12:17 |
| toabctl | but I don't think that we have currently something to backport | 12:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes | 12:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | I saw | 12:17 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, you do you have any project in mind? | 12:18 |
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| IgorYozhikov | glance & swift should be landed 1st. Some of projects like horizon merged but not built. | 12:19 |
| toabctl | ok. then let's just work on that. there is nothing special imo | 12:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'm working on investigation of what is missed on MOS side | 12:19 |
| toabctl | ok. cool | 12:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | some of xstatics 4 example | 12:20 |
| toabctl | next topic? | 12:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes | 12:20 |
| toabctl | #topic packages reviews (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open ) | 12:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "packages reviews (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open ) (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:20 | |
| toabctl | there is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456559/ | 12:20 |
| toabctl | that is needed to fix rebuild failures in keystoneclient | 12:20 |
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| toabctl | it is only detected in the SUSE-CI because all other CIs do not rebuild packages | 12:21 |
| toabctl | this is all related to a webob version bump iirc | 12:21 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'm already looking and found some strange CI records. working with our infra folks. | 12:21 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, maybe you can review/merge that one? | 12:21 |
| IgorYozhikov | done | 12:21 |
| toabctl | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456558/ can be merged as well | 12:22 |
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| aplanas | that was fast : )) | 12:22 |
| toabctl | this one, too :https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455281/ | 12:22 |
| IgorYozhikov | done | 12:22 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455281/ the new renderspec (version 1.5.0) is needed | 12:22 |
| toabctl | I'll rebase the other failing ones when the keystoneclient fix is merged | 12:23 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, let me check | 12:23 |
| toabctl | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456544/ can be merged | 12:24 |
| toabctl | also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456541/ | 12:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | right new pypi release of renderspec requires to be landed | 12:24 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, which is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456544/ | 12:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | 455281 | 12:26 |
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| toabctl | 455281 needs a new renderspec | 12:26 |
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| IgorYozhikov | 456544 done | 12:26 |
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| toabctl | ok. anything else on that topic? | 12:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436611/ | 12:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | looks like missed setuptools | 12:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | DEBUG util.py:417: ImportError: No module named setuptools | 12:30 |
| toabctl | add it as comment to the changeset | 12:31 |
| IgorYozhikov | sure | 12:31 |
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| aplanas | right | 12:32 |
| IgorYozhikov | so, nothing from my side | 12:32 |
| toabctl | #topic OpenFloor | 12:33 |
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| toabctl | anything else? | 12:33 |
| aplanas | not from my side | 12:33 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I had a conversation with my mgmt & I want to share that MOS CI will also work up to the end of Q2 if nothing will happened | 12:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | It is very pity | 12:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | But I want you know about this, will keep you posted. | 12:35 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, so Mirantis stops working on rpm-packaging starting from Q3 (July 2017) ? | 12:35 |
| toabctl | and the CI will go away, too? | 12:35 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, I'm not sure about that | 12:35 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, so what does "up to Q2" mean? | 12:36 |
| IgorYozhikov | that is a preliminary results for questions I addressed to mgmt | 12:36 |
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| IgorYozhikov | They are still thinking | 12:36 |
| toabctl | ok | 12:37 |
| IgorYozhikov | end of Q2 | 12:37 |
| IgorYozhikov | 30/6 | 12:37 |
| toabctl | let's see then | 12:38 |
| aplanas | : ( | 12:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | so, that's all I investigated for now :( | 12:38 |
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| toabctl | ok. let's close it for now. there is #openstack-rpm-packaging if there are more things to discuss | 12:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | as I said previously, Will keep you posted | 12:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | wfm | 12:39 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, that's good. thanks | 12:39 |
| toabctl | thanks everybody for attending | 12:39 |
| toabctl | #endmeeting | 12:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 13 12:39:19 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-04-13-12.00.html | 12:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-04-13-12.00.txt | 12:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-04-13-12.00.log.html | 12:39 |
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| vnogin | hi guys | 14:01 |
| daemontool__ | o/ | 14:01 |
| szaher | #startmeeting freezer | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 13 14:01:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is szaher. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:01 |
| szaher | Hello everyone | 14:01 |
| vnogin | o/ | 14:02 |
| szaher | daemontool__: vnogin hello :) | 14:02 |
| szaher | sorry for being late :) | 14:02 |
| vnogin | szaher: hi Saad :) | 14:02 |
| szaher | Please take a look at the meeting agenda here :) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:02 |
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| szaher | vnogin: Hello Vitaliy | 14:02 |
| mnaser | o/ - just lurking as a new user of freezer | 14:05 |
| szaher | mnaser: Hello, You're more than welcome to join freezer community | 14:05 |
| mnaser | been really happy of the results so far, few issues that we're discovering but im working towards finding some causes for the fix | 14:06 |
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| szaher | mnaser: very good :) If you have any questions you can ask in freezer room | 14:07 |
| mnaser | yep, i guess i joined right when the meetings awere about to start :-P | 14:07 |
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| szaher | mnaser: Just in time | 14:08 |
| daemontool__ | szaher, I've added couple of items | 14:08 |
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| szaher | daemontool__: I saw that :) | 14:08 |
| szaher | mnaser: check the meeting agenda | 14:08 |
| szaher | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:08 |
| szaher | Let's start guys | 14:08 |
| szaher | #topic Freezer Pike-1 release | 14:08 |
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| raliev | hey everyone :) | 14:08 |
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| szaher | raliev: Hello Ruslan | 14:08 |
| yangyapeng | hello guys | 14:09 |
| szaher | So guys I've released yesterday freezer components freezer,freezer-api,freezer-dr | 14:09 |
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| vnogin | nice :) | 14:09 |
| szaher | and today I've released python-freezerclient 1.4.0 | 14:09 |
| szaher | yangyapeng: Hello :) | 14:09 |
| yangyapeng | nice | 14:09 |
| vnogin | szaher: web-ui? | 14:10 |
| szaher | Also I've updated the launchpad #link https://launchpad.net/freezer and they are some download links :) | 14:10 |
| szaher | vnogin: I've done it :) sorry I forgot to mention that :D | 14:10 |
| vnogin | szaher: yep :) | 14:10 |
| mnaser | (i come from a background of other projects, so there was a new point release for the components?) | 14:10 |
| mnaser | oh | 14:11 |
| mnaser | pike, sorry | 14:11 |
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| szaher | mnaser: https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 14:11 |
| mnaser | i was looking at the newton page, sorry! :> | 14:11 |
| szaher | so I've activated milestone 2 now (pike-2) Let's agree on what should be done on this milestone | 14:11 |
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| szaher | Please take a look at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/freezer and send me links to the blueprints that we need to include in pike-2 and also bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/freezer | 14:12 |
| szaher | any comments ? Move on ? | 14:13 |
| szaher | Thanks for all people who contributed so far in Pike-1 :) Thank You Guys | 14:14 |
| szaher | #topic move tempest test to separate repo | 14:14 |
| vnogin | I like blueprints related to web-ui features | 14:14 |
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| szaher | vnogin: That would be nice if we have some of them | 14:14 |
| vnogin | szaher: yep | 14:14 |
| szaher | vnogin: Add a topic to the agenda about blueprints and bugs filtering and handling | 14:14 |
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| vnogin | ok, regarding tempest: 1) we don't need to have additional requirements for tempest in our freezer repos. 2) it's easer to find tempest test for freezer just using for search *tempest-plugin and everything will be there. | 14:15 |
| szaher | if you take a look here #link https://github.com/openstack/?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=tempest-plugin&type=&language= you will find some projects started already working on a separate tempest repo for their tests | 14:16 |
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| szaher | It might be useful as we have 3 or 4 repos and we usually include all of them in case of running tempest tests | 14:17 |
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| szaher | but the question here vnogin: do we need to test freezer-api and freezer every time we submit a change ? | 14:17 |
| vnogin | szaher: yep. And we wasting the time... | 14:17 |
| szaher | I'm not sure how are we going to separate those tests if we create this repo | 14:18 |
| szaher | what do you think guys ? raliev daemontool__ mnaser yangyapeng slashme ? | 14:18 |
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| mnaser | eh as someone who comes in from another world of openstack, i think testing freezer-api and freezer on each change is important | 14:19 |
| mnaser | and the tempest runs should always run, stability is important to the success of a project imho, the more it gets tested, the less likely people will run into issues, the more people will use it | 14:19 |
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| vnogin | szaher: we can exclude docs and unittest changes | 14:20 |
| yangyapeng | mnaser: agree | 14:20 |
| szaher | mnaser: +1 | 14:20 |
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| szaher | vnogin: Yes | 14:20 |
| mnaser | ok so i can give a bit of advice on this | 14:20 |
| szaher | so let's vote to create a repo | 14:20 |
| mnaser | for docs changes | 14:20 |
| szaher | #startvote Create freezer-tempest-plugin | 14:21 |
| mnaser | you can setup project-config to run a job only when specific files run | 14:21 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 14:21 |
| szaher | #vote create a repo | 14:21 |
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| szaher | #vote no we don't need it | 14:21 |
| szaher | well :) we can't create a vote :D | 14:21 |
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| vnogin | ok +1 from my side for creating :) | 14:21 |
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| szaher | +1 from me as well | 14:21 |
| szaher | yangyapeng mnaser daemontool__ raliev ? | 14:22 |
| yangyapeng | ok, create a repo +1 | 14:22 |
| vnogin | mnaser: yep, project-config will help us :) | 14:22 |
| mnaser | ^ | 14:22 |
| mnaser | +1 on a repo | 14:22 |
| szaher | mnaser: I've did a freezer template in project-config for creating dsvm jobs | 14:23 |
| daemontool__ | +1 for project-config sorry | 14:23 |
| szaher | so we #agreed on Creating a tempest repo for freezer | 14:24 |
| szaher | so Let's move on ? | 14:24 |
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| szaher | #topic Summit brainstorming | 14:25 |
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| szaher | we need some ideas to discuss with people interested in freezer during the summit, Please share you ideas here #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Freezer-brainstorming | 14:26 |
| szaher | vnogin: Thanks a lot Vitaliy for your input | 14:26 |
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| szaher | if you have any questions Let's discuss it in freezer room :) | 14:26 |
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| szaher | yangyapeng: daemontool__ mnaser dstepanenko: slashme raliev https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Freezer-brainstorming | 14:27 |
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| vnogin | szaher: np :) | 14:27 |
| szaher | Next topic :) | 14:28 |
| szaher | #topic Freezer Documentation (install guide, api-ref, developer docs ) | 14:28 |
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| szaher | Guys, It's really important to have freezer documentation so we can save our time and people time who come to irc and ask how can we do this or that | 14:30 |
| szaher | onboarding new developers will be easier if we have developer docs :) and api-ref | 14:30 |
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| vnogin | I think we need to make freezer main page (readme) lighter | 14:30 |
| szaher | anyway I've done a patch for install-guide hopefully it needs some additional work and I can add the gate job to publish it online on docs.openstack.org | 14:31 |
| vnogin | nice | 14:31 |
| szaher | vnogin: we need to move all the documentation we have in README.rst to docs then we make the read shorter and bit nicer :) | 14:31 |
| vnogin | yep | 14:32 |
| szaher | daemontool__: Can you send me Ananya's contact info so I can contact her to arrange what needs to be done on the documentation issue ? | 14:32 |
| daemontool__ | ok | 14:32 |
| yangyapeng | like this https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/README.rst | 14:33 |
| szaher | for api-ref I think it should be only v2 to be documented | 14:33 |
| szaher | as we are going to deprecate v1 or do we need to document v1 as well ? | 14:33 |
| szaher | Also I would like to work bit on the api to think about what kind of headers we need to send/accept in the api | 14:34 |
| szaher | anyone to share anything ? Let's move on ? | 14:35 |
| szaher | #topic specs/proposal for dedicated storage backend (i.e. gluster + zfs) | 14:35 |
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| szaher | daemontool__: The stage is yours :) | 14:36 |
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| daemontool__ | I can't :( | 14:36 |
| daemontool__ | apologize | 14:36 |
| szaher | no problem :) I can elaborate a bit on this topic | 14:36 |
| daemontool__ | principle there | 14:36 |
| daemontool__ | is using a fs as a backend storage | 14:36 |
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| daemontool__ | that supports online deduplication | 14:36 |
| daemontool__ | and data compression | 14:36 |
| daemontool__ | so we don't have to do that in the agent | 14:37 |
| szaher | so guys, The problem we are trying to solve here is, we have multiple engines now so some of them supports encrypting, data compression and some don't | 14:38 |
| szaher | so by having a dedicated storage backend might help in have these features and more by default so we don't need to worry about implementing them in freezer-agent | 14:38 |
| szaher | of-course we are going to implement as much features as we can in freezer but It will be faster for now if we can have a dedicate storage for now. Also It will be much more efficient for clients and for us :) | 14:39 |
| szaher | what do you think vnogin yangyapeng raliev slashme m3m0 mnaser dstepanenko ? | 14:40 |
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| mnaser | i think storage and engine decoupling is good. but i think its okay if some engines are supported for specific storages | 14:41 |
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| mnaser | kinda like how nova has drivers that support specific hypervisors with specific functionality | 14:41 |
| dstepanenko | +1 to mnaser | 14:41 |
| szaher | mnaser: we do have storage and engines decoupled already :) but we're thinking of having a dedicated storage | 14:42 |
| dstepanenko | hi guys | 14:42 |
| dstepanenko | sorry for being late | 14:42 |
| mnaser | szaher yeah im aware but i think its okay to have engines that only work with specific storages and vice versa | 14:42 |
| szaher | dstepanenko: Hello Dimtry :) | 14:42 |
| mnaser | storage will be notified what engine was used and it can implement it or ignore it | 14:42 |
| mnaser | s/ignore/complain that it doesnt support it/ | 14:42 |
| dstepanenko | szaher: so, do you mean that we're going to implement some of the new features only for this dedicated storage? | 14:43 |
| dstepanenko | not for all of existing storages, just for that one? | 14:43 |
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| szaher | dstepanenko: mnaser: what I meant is some storage backends supports by default some features we want to implement in freezer, so by using one of these dedicate storage we will save some time implementing those features | 14:45 |
| szaher | it's still an idea that we need to check how it will work | 14:45 |
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| mnaser | ++ | 14:45 |
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| szaher | mnaser: What I hope we can do for this cycle is enhance engines a bit so we decouple engine config opts from freezer opts and make the engine registers it's own opts | 14:46 |
| szaher | also add a section to freezer engines to make it have a supported storage drivers list | 14:47 |
| szaher | so freezer can query the engine driver and ask what kind of storage is supported then start the job of raise an exception | 14:47 |
| mnaser | yup makes sense | 14:48 |
| szaher | but for now we need to write a spec for dedicated storage backend, daemontool__ are you going to do it or someone needs to take responsibility ? | 14:48 |
| szaher | s/responsibility/ownership/g | 14:48 |
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| szaher | daemontool__: it looks like we lost Fausto :) | 14:50 |
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| szaher | so guys Let's think about it and come back to it later (may next meeting or so) | 14:50 |
| szaher | any comments ? | 14:51 |
| szaher | Let's move on ? | 14:51 |
| szaher | #topic Windows support | 14:51 |
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| szaher | Did anyone tested freezer-agent on windows ? | 14:52 |
| mnaser | we might have skipped a topic but we can get back to that (abstract configs) | 14:52 |
| mnaser | i will probably try it at some point as we want to serve our customers with it but we haven't yet gotten there, still trying to get things to run under centos first | 14:52 |
| szaher | mnaser: that will be good if you let us know if it's still working on windows or not | 14:53 |
| mnaser | i most def will | 14:53 |
| mnaser | :) | 14:53 |
| szaher | we had the support long time ago but not sure now | 14:53 |
| szaher | mnaser: Thanks! | 14:53 |
| dstepanenko | actually I didn't, but probably Fausto did :) | 14:53 |
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| szaher | dstepanenko: Cool!, Thanks :) | 14:54 |
| dstepanenko | he told about that several times | 14:54 |
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| szaher | we did, m3m0 was the main one working on that but he is busy now | 14:54 |
| szaher | #topic abstract configuration complexity (config profiles) | 14:54 |
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| szaher | One topic back :) sorry for that | 14:54 |
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| szaher | We have a mess now guys in the cli options | 14:54 |
| szaher | we need to enhance that | 14:54 |
| szaher | we need to make the backup job work with the minimal input required from the user | 14:55 |
| m3m0 | let me know if you need with windows support :) | 14:55 |
| szaher | that will make our users happy using it | 14:55 |
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| szaher | m3m0: Hey!, we need to test it :) if you have time :) | 14:55 |
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| m3m0 | not today but definitely this week | 14:56 |
| m3m0 | but we haven't test the agent on windows in a long time | 14:56 |
| szaher | dstepanenko: mnaser vnogin I'm not sure if you that or not but freezer-agent accepts jobs from config files | 14:56 |
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| dstepanenko | szaher: yes, it's a good idea. We discussed it in previous meeting. Probably we need to create some doc with proposals on that | 14:56 |
| mnaser | so how we are suggesting for our customers doing it is having 2 config files | 14:57 |
| szaher | if you pass the --config-file /path/to/config/file to freezer it will parse it and start the backup/restore/... job | 14:57 |
| mnaser | storage.conf with their storage settings | 14:57 |
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| mnaser | job_name.conf for that specific job | 14:57 |
| vnogin | sorry guys, was on the another meeting, will reply you in freezer root | 14:57 |
| mnaser | and then they do freezer-agent --config-file /etc/freezer/storage.conf --config-file /etc/freezer/job_name.conf | 14:57 |
| mnaser | that reduces duplication | 14:57 |
| szaher | mnaser: it will be more convenient to have only one file per job with different sections inside | 14:57 |
| mnaser | yeah but for example they dont want to rewrite their swift settings 10 times | 14:58 |
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| szaher | mnaser: Yes, your example will work as well. | 14:58 |
| mnaser | also on a super unrelated note, osrc = doesn't work as well :( but we can talk all about that in dev room | 14:58 |
| szaher | mnaser: Ok, cool | 14:58 |
| szaher | #topic Centos gate job | 14:58 |
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| szaher | I'm going to add centos gate job to make sure freezer works fine on centos | 14:59 |
| szaher | it'll be non-voting for now till we fix all issues | 14:59 |
| mnaser | ++ | 14:59 |
| szaher | then we will make it required :) | 14:59 |
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| szaher | anyway | 14:59 |
| szaher | there is some topics we will cover it next meeting | 15:00 |
| szaher | we need to leave now | 15:00 |
| szaher | Thanks Guys | 15:00 |
| szaher | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| dstepanenko | thanks guys | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 13 15:00:13 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| dstepanenko | bye | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-04-13-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-04-13-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-04-13-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 13 15:00:38 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| dustins | \o | 15:00 |
| markstur | hi | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| xyang2 | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:01 |
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| tommylikehu | hello from cell phone.. | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| toabctl | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | today is the Pike-1 milestone | 15:01 |
| Zhongjun__ | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | I'll be pushing tags this afternoon | 15:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | also spec freeze is tonight at 23:59 UTC | 15:02 |
| bswartz | more about specs in a moment | 15:02 |
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| jprovazn | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic Spec Freeze | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-pike-spec-review-focus | 15:03 |
| bswartz | thanks to those who signed up to review specs | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | I've seen a lot of reviews | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | I was out of town the last 3 days and I've been focusing mostly on 2 specs | 15:04 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: 23:59 UTC = 6:59PM EST right? | 15:04 |
| bswartz | I'd like to review all the unmerged specs and discuss if any of them should be punted or given more time | 15:04 |
| bswartz | xyang2: that sounds about right | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | first up, share_groups quota resource | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452270/ | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | are we waiting on anything to workflow this one? | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | nope, did it | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | next up, ceilometer integration | 15:07 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/445441 | 15:07 |
| bswartz | I'll do the honors | 15:07 |
| bswartz | share type quotas | 15:07 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447021/ | 15:07 |
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| gouthamr | xyang2 recommended some changes | 15:08 |
| bswartz | xyang: any reason you +1 instead of +2? | 15:08 |
| xyang2 | share type quotas? | 15:08 |
| bswartz | yes | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: can you add the bp in the commit message? | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: "if you need to upload another patch set." | 15:09 |
| xyang2 | just suggest add a blueprint reference, no big deal | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: there is no other need | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | yeah I don't really care about bp in the commit | 15:09 |
| bswartz | it's a specs repo | 15:09 |
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| gouthamr | well ,it shows up on launchpad if you do | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | next is openstack client support | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395775/ | 15:09 |
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| tbarron | I'm for the idea but don't think OSC is ready for us yet, for reasons given in the review. | 15:09 |
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| gouthamr | +1 | 15:10 |
| bswartz | is Mauricio Lima here? | 15:10 |
| bswartz | what is IRC nick? | 15:10 |
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| gouthamr | mlima | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | not here | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | does anyone think we could work this into Pike given more time or are we all in favor of pushing to Queens? | 15:11 |
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| vponomaryov | I am for pushing it to Q | 15:11 |
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| gouthamr | +1 | 15:11 |
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| tbarron | +1 | 15:11 |
| bswartz | yeah I get the sense people want to push it | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | I'm looking for a motion to not push it | 15:12 |
| ganso | I am not sure mlima is going to be working on it | 15:12 |
| bswartz | so we can hear arguments in favor of keeping it in Pike | 15:12 |
| markstur | it would be nice to see someone prototype it, but don't know if anyone has signed up for that | 15:12 |
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| markstur | the microversion issue might push it to Q anyway | 15:12 |
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| tbarron | markstur: +1 | 15:13 |
| bswartz | okay so I'll put a note on this spec explaining that we won't merge it in pike | 15:13 |
| xyang2 | there's no update on the patch since Dec. 15 last year | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | oh good point | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | ganso, was mlima part of your group at hitachi? i see he did the manila integration for kolla.. | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | I don't know why I didn't notice the history | 15:14 |
| bswartz | yeah with no current implementer this doesn't stand a chance | 15:14 |
| bswartz | next up, ensure share | 15:14 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446494/ | 15:15 |
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| ganso | gouthamr: yes, but slightly separate group. That group suffered the same fate as mine, AFAIK | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | more time | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | for ensure share | 15:15 |
| gouthamr | ganso: :( | 15:15 |
| tommylikehu | vponomaryov: so push the deadline for that one? | 15:15 |
| bswartz | I've seen the issues I raised get addressed in this spec | 15:15 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: why more time? | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | tommylikehu: you do not want to give more time for it? ) | 15:15 |
| bswartz | but it could probably use some more clarifications so we're all happy with it | 15:15 |
| ganso | bswartz: I personally think that one is ok | 15:16 |
| Zhongjun__ | Currently, ensure share don't have big problem | 15:16 |
| bswartz | well I hope we can all agree that we don't want to throw this on out of pike | 15:16 |
| tommylikehu | vponomaryov: I do | 15:16 |
| * jungleboyj sighs ... So much good talent gone from the community. | 15:16 | |
| gouthamr | jungleboyj: ++ | 15:16 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: they will be back | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | tommylikehu: are you going to sponsor them? ) | 15:17 |
| * jungleboyj likes tommylikehu 's attitude. | 15:17 | |
| tommylikehu | vponomaryov: try to help | 15:17 |
| bswartz | it's a good feature to implement, and it's mostly a question of whether we want to approve the spec today or grant an extension for some time to get the spec in better shape before we merge | 15:17 |
| jungleboyj | Good. I have been trying to do the same. | 15:17 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: you always:) | 15:17 |
| bswartz | is anyone against granting an extension for this spec, or against the proposal altogether? | 15:18 |
| ganso | bswartz: there are 2 specs regarding ensure_share | 15:18 |
| markstur | extension sounds good | 15:18 |
| ganso | bswartz: one part LGTM, the other needs more work | 15:18 |
| bswartz | ganso: that's another good point | 15:18 |
| ganso | bswartz: are we ok with merging only one of them in pike if that's the case? | 15:18 |
| Zhongjun__ | yes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453553 | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | can we look at this one with code? | 15:18 |
| bswartz | the idea this spec originally contained was split into 2 specs based on earlier review feedback | 15:18 |
| ganso | gouthamr: what do you mean? require the code to merge the spec? | 15:18 |
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| markstur | a "go-straight-to-code" card? | 15:19 |
| tbarron | Is this a situation where we are all OK with making the commitment to review and shepherd the work but we think the design may still need some changes? | 15:19 |
| ganso | markstur: :O | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | ganso: no, it seems like a difficult feature to completely express in the spec.. maybe things will make more sense with code to look at. so, take the this spec-merging easy until we start seeing code that works.. | 15:20 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: ^^ | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr: I don't see any point waiting for the code -- the spec can express the idea clearly enough | 15:20 |
| tbarron | bswartz: +1 | 15:20 |
| bswartz | if the code that follows the spec is not what we want, we still have the option to say no to that | 15:20 |
| Zhongjun__ | bswartz: +1 | 15:20 |
| ganso | gouthamr: we still can merge the spec and not merge the code if we are not happy with the code | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: I, personnaly, would like to give time for both ensure-share related specs, infinite share and "like"-tiltering | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | i agree with vponomaryov... | 15:21 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: but I was asking your *reason* for this one :D | 15:21 |
| markstur | tiltering? | 15:21 |
| bswartz | okay so lets' consider the group of specs | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | we'll help tinker these specs into a reasonable state in review. | 15:21 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: no final agreement from my side, but idea is good in general | 15:22 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: ack. So I agree that this one could have some more time. | 15:22 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: you're referring to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452097/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453553/ ? | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | markstur: yeahs, fingers tend to do misclicks ) | 15:22 |
| bswartz | why is infinite shares related to the other 2? | 15:22 |
| Zhongjun__ | you guys are so nice today :D | 15:22 |
| jungleboyj | tiltering sounds more fun than filtering | 15:22 |
| * gouthamr thought he meant tinkering | 15:23 | |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I refered 4 specs, and those 2 are from them, yes | 15:23 |
| markstur | yep. good word. | 15:23 |
| tbarron | it's not related to the ensure share specs; he's just in favor of adding more time to it too | 15:23 |
| * jungleboyj adds it to my lexicon | 15:23 | |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: oh also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447775/ | 15:23 |
| markstur | jungleboyj: +1 use it wisely | 15:23 |
| tbarron | so let's talk about the other two not-ensure-share-specs separately | 15:23 |
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| vponomaryov | tbarron: ^_^ | 15:24 |
| bswartz | okay well for now let's just consider the the first 2 | 15:24 |
| ganso | tbarron: +1 | 15:24 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: you are looking directly to the core | 15:24 |
| vponomaryov | ) | 15:24 |
| bswartz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447775/ and https://review.openstack.org/453553 | 15:24 |
| tbarron | I'm -1 on this until cinder & manila align on REST api and client cli. | 15:24 |
| tbarron | The hard part of this is probably more social than technical. | 15:24 |
| tbarron | Propose extending deadline on this one to match cinder's spec deadline | 15:24 |
| bswartz | should we give these 2 specs another week to work out remaining issues? | 15:24 |
| tbarron | ^^^ 447775 is going to take more than one week | 15:25 |
| bswartz | tbarron: please let's focus on these 2 for a moment | 15:25 |
| tbarron | bswartz: sorry, got confused by your citing 447775, I was for focus myself | 15:25 |
| xyang2 | Cinder's spec freeze is Pike-2 | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: wait is your cinder comment related to these 2 specs? I'm not following I guess | 15:25 |
| tbarron | bswartz: 447775 is not an ensure share spec | 15:25 |
| * bswartz headdesk | 15:26 | |
| gouthamr | bswartz: 453553 and 446494 you mean? (ensure share, update share) | 15:26 |
| bswartz | tbarron: thank you | 15:26 |
| tbarron | but yes, let's go there in a minute | 15:26 |
| * ganso is no longer confused | 15:26 | |
| bswartz | that was just a copypasta error on my part | 15:26 |
| ganso | bswartz: hmmm copypasta | 15:26 |
| bswartz | https://review.openstack.org/446494 and https://review.openstack.org/453553 | 15:26 |
| gouthamr | ganso: too bad, what about 4467736 | 15:27 |
| markstur | jungleboyj: You'll want to add copypasta to your lexicon/menu as well | 15:27 |
| jungleboyj | markstur: Yes! | 15:27 |
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| ganso | gouthamr: is that gerrit ID ok? doesn't work here | 15:27 |
| bswartz | I'll blame spicy for that | 15:27 |
| * gouthamr hahahaha | 15:27 | |
| tbarron | couple weeks more on the two ensure-share specs is fine with me | 15:27 |
| bswartz | okay so there's no relation to cinder for these 2 specs right? | 15:28 |
| tbarron | ack | 15:28 |
| bswartz | why more than 1 more week? | 15:28 |
| tbarron | bswartz: one week is fine with me too :D | 15:28 |
| bswartz | everyone okay with granting 1 week extension on these 2? any argue for more time or throw them out to queens? | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | I am ok for having deadline for specs that are related to CInder equal to Cinder's deadline and one week for other not related | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: we'll cover those other 2 in a moment | 15:29 |
| bswartz | I want to cover these in priority order and ensure_share is pretty high priority for me | 15:29 |
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| Zhongjun__ | bswartz: thanks | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | I have a feeling 1 week should be enough to get these 2 wrapped up | 15:30 |
| bswartz | #agreed 1 week extension for ensure share spec and enhance update spec | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | next up, infinite shares | 15:30 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/452097 | 15:30 |
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| vponomaryov | requires more eyes | 15:30 |
| tbarron | I'm -1 on this because we don't have a common idea/goal for what infinite shares should be. | 15:31 |
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| tbarron | more detailed argument in the spec review | 15:31 |
| bswartz | tbarron: it was discussed in austin IIRC | 15:31 |
| Zhongjun__ | this spec sounds like requires more dicusstion | 15:31 |
| * tbarron stands by his observation | 15:31 | |
| bswartz | but I haven't personally reviewed this one | 15:31 |
| markstur | i think there are scheduler issues | 15:31 |
| markstur | not sure if they were addressed since yesterday | 15:31 |
| tbarron | but the various ideas have a common thread, tracking actual share usage. | 15:31 |
| tbarron | that's the first problem to solve | 15:32 |
| bswartz | let me ask a higher level question -- why focus on this feature in pike? we've known about the use case since before newton | 15:32 |
| markstur | how do we place non-infinite shares correctly after infinite shares are placed? | 15:32 |
| tbarron | and we're not going to solve it in a week, it was pretty much a last-minute addon to this spec | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | markstur: IIRC in austin the idea was to treat infinite-sized shares as a completely separate thing -- different quota logic and different scheduler logic | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | иыцфкеяЖ сгккуте ызус зкщзщыуы фгещвуеусешщт ща ф ышяу | 15:33 |
| markstur | the scheduler part might be easier to work out in code review | 15:33 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: exactly | 15:33 |
| jungleboyj | Who! | 15:33 |
| markstur | vponomaryov: Now that is a a typo! | 15:33 |
| jungleboyj | Whoa! | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: current spec proposes autodetection of a size | 15:33 |
| bswartz | our options here are to push it to queens or decide to do more review focus on it and give it some more time | 15:33 |
| ganso | sorry my ukranian is a little rusty | 15:34 |
| jungleboyj | j/me is laughing | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | markstur: now, it is typo of language switching )) | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: it is not ukrainian, it is just letters under english ones | 15:34 |
| markstur | vponomaryov: Yes. I like to see that once in a while. I pretend you are cursing. | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | or blessing | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | who knows ) | 15:35 |
| tommylikehu | is looking | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | google always knows | 15:35 |
| xyang2 | markstur: right, he can curse us but we won't understand:) | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | so, one week to "infinite" share before we decide its schedule? | 15:36 |
| tommylikehu | I think we should get back to our topic | 15:36 |
| bswartz | I like the infinite share idea at a high level but I'm not sure it's worth spending time on right now | 15:36 |
| tbarron | it seemed to me that every reviewer had a different idea of what an infinite share should be | 15:36 |
| markstur | yes. making size optional has been wanted for a while -- but what that means exactly is now hitting reality | 15:37 |
| xyang2 | I agree we need more time reviewing this. It's complicated | 15:37 |
| bswartz | xyang2: we need more time, but do we do that during pike or during queens? | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: decide in a week | 15:38 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: it doesn't sound like we can decide in a week | 15:38 |
| bswartz | I guess we could give it 1 more week, and then reconsider next week | 15:38 |
| bswartz | we could postpone the decision to punt if people really do want to give this a chance in pike | 15:38 |
| tommylikehu | +1 | 15:38 |
| Zhongjun__ | bswartz: +1 | 15:38 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:39 |
| vponomaryov | +1 | 15:39 |
| bswartz | #agreed reconsider infinite shares spec next week for pike inclusion | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | last up, Filter (tilter?) things out providing flexible way to API | 15:39 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447775/ | 15:39 |
| tbarron | this is the one coupled with tommylikehu's cinder proposal | 15:40 |
| tbarron | in the last cycle tommylikehu did an awesome job working with the cinder community to get their snapshot-rollback proposal aligned with our revert-to-snapshot spec | 15:40 |
| tbarron | I'd like to see a similar alignment on this one | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | so vponomaryov like this, but others don't, and there is interaction with the cinder version which won't be resolved until .... | 15:40 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: other don't like absense of compatibility with Cinder | 15:41 |
| tommylikehu | tbarron: thanks | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | June 7th, 88 weeks from now | 15:41 |
| Zhongjun__ | because I change it as vponomaryov's method. | 15:41 |
| bswartz | 8* weeks | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: mostly, not considering small concerns ) | 15:41 |
| Zhongjun__ | :) | 15:41 |
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| vponomaryov | how many weeks? )) | 15:41 |
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| gouthamr | 88 | 15:41 |
| bswartz | are some poeple suggesting we leave this open until the cinder issues are sorted out? | 15:42 |
| xyang2 | the one in Cinder will be built upon griffith's generic filter spec | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | 8 - is infinite value flipped for 90 degrees ) | 15:42 |
| tbarron | Do we really want to end up with two very different CLI and REST api for essentially the same kind of thing? | 15:42 |
| bswartz | do we need a cross-project effort to synchronize the 2 specs? | 15:42 |
| tbarron | And then, when we *do* go to OSC ... | 15:42 |
| bswartz | 88 mph is the speed you need to travel to go back in time and not miss the spec merge deadline | 15:42 |
| tommylikehu | I reckon cinder will not agree to have the new filter argument while keep the exsiting ones | 15:43 |
| xyang2 | do we also want generic filter in manila? | 15:43 |
| tommylikehu | xyang2: that's the point | 15:43 |
| vponomaryov | xyang2: we haven't discussed it before | 15:43 |
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| gouthamr | would tommylikehu like to propose it to manila | 15:43 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Great Scott! That was brilliant! | 15:43 |
| tbarron | xyang2: my question is, do we have any good reason for not aligning the two projects? | 15:43 |
| Zhongjun__ | Could we discuss it now? | 15:43 |
| xyang2 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441516/ | 15:43 |
| xyang2 | tbarron: aligning the two is of course good | 15:44 |
| bswartz | my opinion is that it's a good idea to synchronize with other projects in areas like this where there's no a strong reason to do our own thing | 15:44 |
| tommylikehu | gouthamr: I think I can if we would like to | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | that spec is still not cognizant of "like" filtering for select fields | 15:44 |
| bswartz | however for the same reason I don't see why we would want to be leading here, why not follow after others have done the initial hard work? | 15:44 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: and yesterday's cinder meeting said that it would become so, with tommylikehu's help | 15:45 |
| markstur | following cinder example? Is this still the manila meeting? | 15:45 |
| xyang2 | :) | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | tommylikehu: if you can roll it into a spec on our end, i would support it | 15:45 |
| tbarron | markstur: I'm not saying just do what cinder does, I'm saying *lead* | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | and if our intent is to follow what cinder does, then why not postpone the whole effort until queens so we can see what happens in cinder? | 15:45 |
| tbarron | do the right thing for openstack | 15:45 |
| tommylikehu | gouthamr: a new spec and both two involoved? | 15:45 |
| bswartz | interested parties could contribute to the cinder spec review | 15:46 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: why follow? do right thing should be our goal | 15:46 |
| tommylikehu | vponomaryov: lol | 15:46 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: we have to pick our battles | 15:46 |
| bswartz | I'd rather lead in areas where we're likely to have the best ideas or unique circumstances | 15:46 |
| xyang2 | we usually blame cinder for bad decisions:) | 15:46 |
| bswartz | REST API filtering is a rather boring technical problem IMO | 15:46 |
| tbarron | bswartz: would you have a problem with interested parties participating in the cinder review and then posting a manila implementation if we agree to that? | 15:47 |
| ganso | xyang2: that's our oldest tradition :) | 15:47 |
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| gouthamr | tommylikehu: ``manila list --filters name=xyz`` ``manila list --filters name=~xyz`` | 15:47 |
| xyang2 | ganso: :) | 15:47 |
| tommylikehu | gouthamr: vponomaryov doesn't like it | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | may i ask why? | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: I like that approach except why hurry to do it in pike? why not copy the implementation in queens after it has a bit a soak time? | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | anyway, we can discuss that in review... | 15:47 |
| * tbarron wants to keep the manila people involved and participating, but not just talking among themselves. | 15:48 | |
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| vponomaryov | tbarron: soooo communicative person ))) | 15:48 |
| tommylikehu | tbarron that's your goal, we are a big family | 15:48 |
| * jungleboyj likes tbarron speaking his mind! | 15:48 | |
| tbarron | bswartz: that's what I actually proposed first (waiting till queens) but I realized that with Zhongjun__ and tommylikehu both working on the same problem we have a chance to align here. | 15:49 |
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| vponomaryov | tbarron: it does not answer question why we want it in P | 15:49 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:49 |
| bswartz | so the proposal is to just not have a manila spec and follow the cinder spec | 15:50 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: because it motivates people to keep working on the right design | 15:50 |
| bswartz | treat the cinder spec as if it were a crossproject spec | 15:50 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: the sqlalchemy part will have to be different though | 15:50 |
| bswartz | that raises the question of why this wasn't a crossproject spec to begin with | 15:50 |
| bswartz | don't we have a cross project specs process? | 15:51 |
| tbarron | it's the REST and client & ui that should converge | 15:51 |
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| gouthamr | generic and "LIKE" filtering has come up in api-wg in the past... we haven't had someone take on that effort... | 15:51 |
| * tbarron isn't sure that it has historically been terribly effective | 15:51 | |
| bswartz | tbarron: that argues for a mini-spec that references the cinder spec and only describes the manila-specific differences in the implementation | 15:51 |
| tbarron | bswartz: +1 | 15:52 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I'm glad you said it not me | 15:52 |
| xyang2 | I don't know the status but I don't know if there's a lot going on in cross-project specs: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+openstack/openstack-specs | 15:52 |
| bswartz | ;-) | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | from cinder_specs import generic_filtering_for_the_win | 15:52 |
| bswartz | I would have been less diplomatic | 15:52 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 15:52 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: generic tiltering ) | 15:52 |
| tommylikehu | maybe we should start from refactor our sqlalchemy apis | 15:53 |
| jungleboyj | vponomaryov: ++ | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | okay so how about this | 15:53 |
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| gouthamr | yes, pylint would have caught that | 15:53 |
| bswartz | let's modify our spec to refer to the cinder spec for the parts that we want to be in common, and only include the manila specific detail in our own spec | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | tommylikehu: ++ that's also been spoken about here in the past | 15:53 |
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| tommylikehu | gouthamr: and the conclusion? | 15:54 |
| bswartz | let's try to merge that in the next week, then it's up to tommylikehu and Zhongjun__ to implement it in pike if they wish or wait until queens | 15:54 |
| bswartz | we'll use both specs as a reference for the reason | 15:54 |
| bswartz | we'll use both specs as a reference for the feature | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | reasonable future | 15:55 |
| tbarron | +1 from me | 15:55 |
| tommylikehu | bswartz: great | 15:55 |
| Zhongjun__ | bswartz: sure, I'd like to implement it in pike | 15:55 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:55 |
| gouthamr | thanks Zhongjun__ | 15:55 |
| bswartz | anyone interested in influencing the design of the REST/CLI portions of the design should provide feedback to the cinder spec | 15:55 |
| bswartz | this means we have 4 specs with extension until next week | 15:56 |
| bswartz | all of them owned by Zhongjun__ | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | I hope you can find the time to get them all updated Zhongjun__! | 15:57 |
| bswartz | and unfortunately we used all our time | 15:57 |
| bswartz | tbarron you had some agenda items | 15:57 |
| tbarron | I'll just mention them in #openstack-manila in a moment | 15:57 |
| tommylikehu | move to manila channel.. | 15:57 |
| bswartz | any of them need urgent attention today? | 15:57 |
| Zhongjun__ | bswartz: ok, I alway update them | 15:57 |
| bswartz | okay for the record before we close the meeting | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | Spec Validation | 15:58 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/456398 | 15:58 |
| bswartz | Add blockdiag diagram family capability to manila specs | 15:58 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/456404 | 15:58 |
| bswartz | Stop Translating Log messages | 15:58 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452189 | 15:58 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | if the above 3 need discussion we can do it in the manila channel, or next week | 15:59 |
| bswartz | anything else before we wrap up this meeting? | 15:59 |
| bswartz | okay thanks all | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 13 15:59:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-04-13-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-04-13-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 13 17:00:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | dsto/ | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | o/ | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | heh | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | hey mdong | 17:01 |
| mdong | hey all | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | atm I think all == you and I :) | 17:02 |
| michaelxin | hi | 17:02 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:02 |
| michaelxin | o/ | 17:02 |
| tkelsey | hi michaelxin :) | 17:02 |
| tkelsey | hows things? | 17:02 |
| michaelxin | no good | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | no good? | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | :'( | 17:03 |
| michaelxin | OSIC project was terminated | 17:03 |
| tkelsey | :O | 17:03 |
| michaelxin | All intel and rackspace dedicated resources will not be availale | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | oh. | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | jeez. | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Erm. Wow. | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | no way, thats a shame :( | 17:04 |
| michaelxin | None will work on security project full time anymore | 17:04 |
| mdong | it was really sudden news for us as well | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | I'm really sorry guys, obviously most of all for the OSIC guys. | 17:05 |
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| michaelxin | hyakuhei: Thanks. | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Is all of OSIC axed? | 17:05 |
| michaelxin | Yes | 17:05 |
| tkelsey | :( condolences guys, that's terrible | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | I'm genuinely sorry to hear that. | 17:06 |
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| asettle | :( | 17:06 |
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| michaelxin | asettle: how are you? | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | Hey knangia michaelxin was just filling us in on the OSIC news. | 17:07 |
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| asettle | Hey michaelxin I'm alright :) how are you? | 17:07 |
| knangia | O/ | 17:07 |
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| knangia | Yes hyakuhei | 17:07 |
| michaelxin | asettle: good | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | knangia please let you and your team know that I'm happy to provide you with references/writeups of all the great work you've done, if there's anything we can do please let us know. | 17:08 |
| capnoday_ | +1 | 17:08 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: Thanks | 17:09 |
| knangia | Thanks hyakuhei ....truly appreciate it... | 17:09 |
| knangia | Will ping you for sure :) | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | Cheers, please make sure the others know. | 17:09 |
| asettle | :) | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | Well I don't know what to talk about guys. | 17:10 |
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| knangia | Yes...will be updating others ! | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | asettle we'll have to sync on the docs | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | I guess we'll go forward with the standing agenda | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | knangia robclark@uk.ibm.com | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Syntribos | 17:10 |
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| asettle | hyakuhei: ya | 17:10 |
| knangia | Thanks | 17:10 |
| knangia | We were working on the random fuzzer for syntribos | 17:11 |
| mdong | so I’ll still be working on syntribos in the future, afaik, just not dedicated full-time | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks mdong | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei | o/ vinaypotluri | 17:11 |
| knangia | And were doing work for the bugs we assigned to ourselves | 17:11 |
| vinaypotluri | Hi hyakuhei | 17:11 |
| unrahul | Hey guys | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | Hey unrahul | 17:11 |
| vinaypotluri | Yes I will continue to work on it but will be a little slow | 17:12 |
| unrahul | We would be continuing the work in our personal capacity | 17:12 |
| unrahul | The update is, we are working on adding the random fuzzier | 17:12 |
| unrahul | Fuzzer | 17:12 |
| knangia | Same here hyakuhei ...will be continuing, since its open source | 17:12 |
| unrahul | One patch is up | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | Cool | 17:12 |
| vinaypotluri | And there are a few on wishlist which we will be working too | 17:13 |
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| knangia | Thats all for syntribos for now. | 17:14 |
| capnoday_ | thats great progress, Im glad you will continue developing it | 17:14 |
| knangia | Thanks capnoday_ :) | 17:14 |
| vinaypotluri | Definitely capnoday_ Thank you all for your support | 17:14 |
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| hyakuhei | cool | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Docs | 17:15 |
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| hyakuhei | asettle is there anything in the queue that the wider community needs to validate? | 17:15 |
| asettle | Hey! | 17:15 |
| asettle | So, the intel team was working on validating the older case studies | 17:16 |
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| knangia | Again, the same...we assigned bugs to ourselves, will be continuing work on them | 17:16 |
| asettle | There was some issues, I'll get in touch with them before everyhting collapses and get word on that | 17:16 |
| asettle | They were going to create bugs | 17:16 |
| asettle | There's a few bugs left to be completed in the 'non-wishlist' queue | 17:16 |
| asettle | Whihc, in light of events, we mgiht need people to take over: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sec-guide-pike | 17:16 |
| asettle | Everyone take a look if you can | 17:16 |
| mdong | I can take over some of those bugs | 17:16 |
| asettle | THanks mdong :) | 17:16 |
| asettle | Take a look and see what you can take from teh intel people | 17:17 |
| asettle | Most of them are fairly stock-standard additions | 17:17 |
| mdong | yep, I’ll get in touch with them | 17:17 |
| asettle | Thanks mdong :) ping if you have questions or concerns. | 17:17 |
| mdong | sure thing | 17:17 |
| asettle | I'm going to reach out tomorrow and make sure I get update emails. | 17:17 |
| knangia | Yes, they are assigned to me, vinaypotluri and unrahul ...we will try closing it soon | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Cool! | 17:17 |
| asettle | knangia: that would be great if that's a possibility | 17:17 |
| asettle | I know you guys only have a day | 17:17 |
| asettle | That aside, I'll keep slowly editing | 17:17 |
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| asettle | Then hyakuhei you and I should sync up and chat about next steps | 17:18 |
| asettle | Also, I dunno if Dave is on IRC | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | I agree | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Though I'll need a little while to figure out what they are | 17:18 |
| asettle | But I edited and reviewed this one today | 17:18 |
| asettle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451965/ | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Which Dave? Walker? | 17:18 |
| asettle | Uhhh McCowan | 17:18 |
| asettle | hyakuhei: yeah it's no rush. | 17:18 |
| asettle | Honestly :) | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Ah he is normally | 17:18 |
| knangia | We can continue working on them...its just 1 bug assigned to each of us from that etherpad | 17:18 |
| knangia | asettle: ^^ | 17:19 |
| asettle | knangia: that's cool, thank you :) | 17:19 |
| knangia | Very welcome :) | 17:19 |
| asettle | knangia: could you ping me end of your day Friday with your updates? I'm off the OSIC slack chan, IRC will work best | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | Super cool | 17:19 |
| knangia | Sure asettle :) | 17:19 |
| asettle | Thanks knangia :0 | 17:19 |
| asettle | Okay hyakuhei I think that's all teh updates there | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks asettle, we really appreciate your management here | 17:20 |
| knangia | +1 | 17:20 |
| asettle | No problemo :) it's been fun so far! | 17:20 |
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| hyakuhei | I don't see lhinds around today | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:21 |
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| hyakuhei | I'm not sure there's much in the queue | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Nope, just one private one | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Heh, that was easy | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | They seem to have really slowed down recently | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | #topic AOB | 17:22 |
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| hyakuhei | I don't have much to bring up | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | Other than to ask who will be in Boston. | 17:23 |
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| knangia | To fill up, I will not be presenting in Boston...travel plan issues | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | Understandable, do you know if you'll be delegating that to someone else? | 17:25 |
| knangia | No one for now ! | 17:25 |
| mdong | no one here from rackspace is going, either | 17:26 |
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| mdong | at least not on our team | 17:26 |
| capnoday_ | its going to be a quiet summit | 17:26 |
| unrahul | Mm | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | cool, so if you're down to speak but can't make it any more please ping me a message (I'm also a track chair for Security) | 17:26 |
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| hyakuhei | Thanks all | 17:27 |
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| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 13 17:27:55 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-04-13-17.00.html | 17:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-04-13-17.00.txt | 17:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-04-13-17.00.log.html | 17:28 |
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| vinaypotluri | Thank you hyakuhei | 17:32 |
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