Wednesday, 2017-04-12

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trugnvmy BP about detail items for rolling-upgrade as https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451865/ -- please review before meeting today.01:54
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aspierssorry I'm late. anyone around for weekly HA meeting?09:12
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alexchadin#startmeeting watcher13:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 12 13:00:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is alexchadin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'watcher'13:00
alexchadinhi13:00
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hidekazuhi13:00
vincentfrancoiseo/13:00
alexchadinOur agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#04.2F12.2F201713:01
vincentfrancoisewill be back in 5mn sorry13:01
alexchadinis there someone else?13:01
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alexchadin#topic Announcements13:02
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alexchadin#info Watcher & Watcher Client & Watcher Dashboard will be released for Pike-1 milestone this Thursday.13:02
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alexchadinWe have done Gnocchi support, stale/invalid action plan and suspend state for audit13:03
alexchadincongratulations to sanfern, licanwei and hidekazu!13:04
hidekazuthanks everyone!13:04
alexchadinand to everyone who reviewed and helped with these BPs13:05
licanwei:)13:05
alexchadin#info 3 of 5 P-1 targeted blueprints have been done, the rest will be retargeted to P-2 cycle.13:05
alexchadinI had conversation with sballe_ and ostroverkhov13:05
alexchadinThey have agreed that their BPs should be moved to Pike-2 milestone13:06
alexchadinis there any other announcements?13:07
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alexchadinwell, move on13:07
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sanfernhello13:07
alexchadin#topic Review Action Items13:08
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alexchadinhi sanfern13:08
alexchadinWatcher specs13:08
alexchadinAudit tag in VM Metadata needs a little fix and final core reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391374/13:08
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alexchadin#action hvprash fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391374/13:09
alexchadinAdd spec for services-versioned-notifications-api bp should be updated in accordance with discussed changes #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445817/13:09
alexchadinVladimir is not here so I will give him details later13:10
alexchadin#action alexchadin have a discussion with ostroverkhov about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445817/13:10
alexchadinSpec for noisy-neighbor-dashboard needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427308/13:10
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pksinghHello13:11
alexchadinhi pksingh13:11
alexchadin#action chrisspencer update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427308/13:12
alexchadinNoisy Neighbor Strategy needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427308/13:12
alexchadin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398162/13:13
alexchadinwell seems hvprash won't be there for now13:14
alexchadinwho would like to review it?13:14
licanweime:)13:15
alexchadinlicanwei: thanks :)13:15
alexchadin#action licanwei review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398162/13:15
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alexchadinSupport visualizing workload fingerprints needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448394/13:15
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alexchadinAdd spec for Cinder model integration needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450173/13:17
hidekazualexchadin: yes i will do.13:17
alexchadinhidekazu: vincentfrancoise left some comments for you13:18
alexchadin#action hidekazu update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450173/13:18
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alexchadinBuild baremetal data model in watcher. Yumeng provided new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448016/13:19
alexchadindtardivel is already reviewing it. Who would like to take it too?13:19
licanwei+113:20
hidekazualexchadin: i will review.13:20
hidekazualexchadin: because data model, too :)13:20
alexchadin#action licanwei hidekazu review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448016/13:20
alexchadinhidekazu licanwei thanks a lot!13:21
alexchadinAudit tag in VM Metadata needs final core review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391374/13:21
alexchadinoups13:21
alexchadinduplication :)13:22
alexchadinDefine grammar for workload characterization needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/13:22
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alexchadinwe need more reviews here13:22
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alexchadin#action alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/13:24
alexchadinAdd new actions "power on" and "power off" in Watcher needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435436/13:24
alexchadinhidekazu and licanwei: will you continue review this spec?13:25
licanwei+113:26
hidekazualexchadin: ok ,i will review13:26
alexchadin#action licanwei hidekazu review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435436/13:26
alexchadinWatcher13:26
alexchadinReduced the code complexity needs code reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441873/13:27
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alexchadinNoisy Neighbor Strategy needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454359/13:29
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alexchadinlicanwei hidekazu I will add you13:30
alexchadinas well as watcher-core group13:30
licanweiok13:30
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alexchadinAdding tempest test that executes outlet_temp_control strategy. needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439184/13:31
alexchadin#action chrisspencer update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439184/13:32
alexchadinAdded tempest test for workload_stabilization needs final core reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393355/13:32
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alexchadinit would be good if someone would test it on Devstack13:33
alexchadinAdd action description notification needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454638/13:36
alexchadinseems there is merge conflict13:36
alexchadinlicanwei have you got notification?13:36
licanweiyes13:37
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alexchadin#action licanwei fix merge conflict on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454638/13:38
alexchadin#action alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454638/13:38
hidekazulicanwei: this patch is partial implementation?13:38
alexchadinAdd action description needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450720/13:38
licanweino13:39
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hidekazulicanwei: ok,thanks.13:39
hidekazualexchadin: go ahead, please.13:40
alexchadinWatcher CLI & Dashboard13:40
alexchadinAdd a button to create audit template in audit creat form needs core reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455699/13:40
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alexchadinThere are two fixes from Yumeng13:41
alexchadinWho is familiar with Horizon?13:41
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licanweiI'll try :)13:43
alexchadin#action licanwei review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455699/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455679/13:44
alexchadin#topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion13:44
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alexchadinexception when running 'watcher actionplan start XXX' #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450555/13:44
licanweisay alexchadin : this commit should be merged ASAP.13:45
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licanweiNow the actionplan start cli cmd run exception13:45
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hidekazualexchadin: licanwei: i may hit this bug yesterday.13:46
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alexchadinlicanwei: why have you add self.action on line 49?13:47
* vincentfrancoise back...13:47
alexchadinvincentfrancoise: it was long 5 minutes ;)13:47
vincentfrancoiseyeah, ask dtardivel about it :p13:48
licanweithis can triger notification13:48
licanweiif actionplan is null ,no notifican emit13:48
licanweinotification13:49
alexchadinvincentfrancoise: will you review it ASAP? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450555/13:49
licanweithis can hit the bug throug unit test13:49
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vincentfrancoisealexchadin: ok13:50
alexchadinvincentfrancoise: thanks a lot!13:51
alexchadin#action vincentfrancoise review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450555/13:51
alexchadin#topic Open discussions13:51
vincentfrancoisealexchadin: done13:51
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vincentfrancoisealexchadin: short fix = quick review ;)13:51
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alexchadinvincentfrancoise: then I W+1 it13:52
vincentfrancoisealexchadin: shouldn't this be another core's job?13:52
vincentfrancoisealexchadin: oh sorry misread you13:53
vincentfrancoisealexchadin: yeah please W+1 it ;)13:53
alexchadinThere is few people today13:53
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alexchadinsballe_ said that she will have some things to do13:53
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alexchadinBTW, I'm happy that we have achieved P-1 milestone with 3 of 5 BPs13:54
alexchadin2 of them should be merged soon, I hope next week13:55
vincentfrancoisealexchadin: good :)13:55
alexchadinI mean, the rest ones13:56
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vincentfrancoisealexchadin: I missed the review parts but if there's some critical specs to review, add them as actions to me so I can see them in the logs13:56
alexchadinvincentfrancoise: no worries, I will add some of mentioned specs to you a little bit later13:57
alexchadinso, if nobody have questions, I would suggest to end this meeting13:58
alexchadinthank you for coming, bye13:58
hidekazualexchadin: thanks13:58
hidekazugood night ;)13:59
vincentfrancoisebye :)13:59
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alexchadin#endmeeting13:59
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devkulkarni#startmeeting Solum Team Meeting14:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 12 14:01:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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devkulkarni#topic Roll call14:01
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zhurong_0/14:01
zhurong_Hi devkulkarni14:01
devkulkarnihi zhurong_14:02
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devkulkarnizhurong_: lets wait for a minute or two to see if others join14:02
zhurong_sure14:02
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devkulkarnihi guoguo14:05
guoguohi14:05
devkulkarninice to see you here. welcome to solum :)14:05
devkulkarniwe have zhurong_ with us as well today14:05
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devkulkarnilets begin the meeting14:06
devkulkarniguoguo: first off all let me extend a very warm welcome to you in our team.14:06
devkulkarniif you can provide brief introduction about yourself and your interest in solum that would be great14:07
zhurong_guoguo welcome14:07
guoguoI study Openstack over 1 year.14:09
devkulkarniguoguo: I see, cool14:09
guoguoOver 15 years software.14:09
devkulkarninice!14:10
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devkulkarniin what context are you using OpenStack and Solum?14:10
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devkulkarniguoguo: btw, I saw your messages about errors that you were running into14:12
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devkulkarniwhat was the issue? were you and zhurong_ able to figure out the issue?14:13
zhurong_devkulkarni maybe he doesn't familiar with IRC14:13
guoguodevelop native apps.14:13
devkulkarnizhurong_: ah I see14:13
devkulkarniguoguo: cool14:13
devkulkarniguoguo: you will get used to irc slowly14:14
zhurong_guoguo using kolla deploy solum, I let caowei contact him14:14
devkulkarnizhurong_: +114:14
devkulkarniI was about to suggest that14:14
devkulkarniI was hoping caowei was here today14:14
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zhurong_seems caowei is leaving status14:15
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devkulkarniguoguo: most of the work in OpenStack happens over IRC.. it will get easier as you keep on participating14:15
devkulkarnizhurong_: ah I see14:15
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devkulkarniguoguo: please continue to join solum irc channel14:16
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devkulkarniguoguo: hopefully we will be able to resolve your issue soon14:16
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guoguoI already like to use IRC.14:16
guoguothanks.14:17
devkulkarniguoguo: oh cool.. then it will be easy to participate :)14:17
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devkulkarnizhurong_, guoguo: btw, I was wondering whether the current meeting time is convenient for you?14:18
devkulkarniif it is too late at night for you folks, we can change the meeting time that is more convenient to you14:18
devkulkarniI think caowei is also in similar time zone as yours14:19
devkulkarnithoughts/comments?14:19
zhurong_yep, caowei is my former colleagues14:19
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zhurong_we can make it one hour ahead14:20
devkulkarniokay..so still keep at your wednesday night, but move it one hour earlier?14:20
zhurong_I agree with it14:21
devkulkarniguoguo: would that time slot work for you?14:21
guoguono problem14:21
devkulkarniokay.. let me also get feedback from caowei, vijendar and others to see if that time slot will work for them or not.. if it works for majority then we can make the change14:23
devkulkarnicool. lets move on to other topics14:23
devkulkarnizhurong_: any updates from your side about Boston summit?14:24
zhurong_np, still AP status14:24
devkulkarniI see. well, we will keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best14:25
devkulkarnionce you know, we can start planning/preparing for next steps14:25
devkulkarnithe next topic is patches for review14:26
devkulkarnizhurong_: I will take a look at the patches that you have submitted today14:26
zhurong_thx devkulkarni14:26
devkulkarniwhat about release patches? have we received +1 from release team on them?14:27
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devkulkarni(I am still catching up on my emails)14:27
zhurong_np, I just abandon all the other patches except the clinet's14:27
zhurong_Seems pip repo have some problem, just now release team stop merge the patches14:28
devkulkarnizhurong_: yeah, I saw that. did you check with thierry that not cutting a release for solum and solum-dashboard will be okay?14:29
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devkulkarnizhurong_: oh okay. did not know that14:29
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zhurong_I check other project, there no release patch for pike-114:29
devkulkarnizhurong_: I see. then we should be fine not releasing14:30
devkulkarniso probably we got included in that list in thierry's email because we had not cut python-solumclient release14:30
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zhurong_maybe he notice all the projects14:31
devkulkarniyeah, may be that was the case14:31
devkulkarniso looks like we are set on this front then14:32
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devkulkarniany other thoughts/comments on the topic of patches?14:32
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zhurong_np, the glance version patch should be merge quickly14:33
devkulkarniwhich one is that? do you have the patch link handy?14:33
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zhurong_https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456087/14:33
zhurong_Now glance v1 api had been depracated14:33
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devkulkarniloooking14:34
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devkulkarnizhurong_: actually, there are few other places we need to fix this14:34
devkulkarniin unittest-app and build-app scripts14:35
zhurong_let me check14:35
devkulkarnihttps://github.com/openstack/solum/blob/master/contrib/lp-cedarish/docker/build-app#L5414:35
zhurong_yep, I see14:36
zhurong_I will resubmit a new one14:36
devkulkarnihttps://github.com/openstack/solum/blob/master/contrib/common/utils#L19214:36
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devkulkarnilooks like unittest-app does not have direct reference to glance commands, but it includes the utils file14:37
devkulkarniyeah, please submit follow up patch14:37
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devkulkarnicool14:37
devkulkarniany other thoughts/comments about patches?14:38
zhurong_np14:39
devkulkarnialright14:39
devkulkarnithe last topic that I had in mind is about upcoming TC elections14:39
devkulkarniI hope you are following the TC elections. If not, please go to the openstack-dev mailing list archives to read position statements from various candidates14:40
zhurong_yep, I will do this14:41
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devkulkarnicool.14:42
devkulkarnialso, you might have received email about naming of OpenStack R release14:42
zhurong_yep14:42
devkulkarnicool14:42
zhurong_which one you will choice?14:42
devkulkarnizhurong_: I don't know yet.. I am reading through the position statements of all the candidates (along with the question and answers that are being asked of them)14:43
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zhurong_cool14:44
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devkulkarnizhurong_: you also make sure to read through the statements and pick the candidates that resonate with you the most14:45
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zhurong_yep, I think so14:45
devkulkarnicool14:46
devkulkarnianything else we should discuss today?14:46
zhurong_seems we can end earlier14:46
devkulkarniyeah..14:46
devkulkarniguoguo: any thoughts/comments from your side?14:46
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guoguoI want join solum mail list.14:48
devkulkarniguoguo: there is no separate mailing list for solum. we use the openstack-dev mailing list14:49
devkulkarniare you subscribed to that?14:49
guoguook14:49
zhurong_add the [solum] tag14:49
devkulkarniguoguo: http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev14:49
devkulkarniguoguo: +1 to what zhurong_ mentioned14:49
guoguoI want to try solum in production.but no guide.14:49
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devkulkarniguoguo: cool.. actually there is a guide which is sort of complete14:50
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devkulkarnithere should be a link to it in solum documentation.. I will share it with you on IRC later today/tomorrow14:51
guoguoths.14:51
devkulkarniguoguo: its great to hear about your interest to run solum in prod14:52
devkulkarniguoguo: any other thoughts, comments, questions?14:53
guoguono14:54
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devkulkarnialright then14:54
devkulkarnithanks guoguo zhurong_ for joining the meeting today14:54
devkulkarnisee you next week again. and in the mean time, see you in solum irc channel14:55
devkulkarnigood night14:55
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zhurong_bye devkulkarni14:55
devkulkarnibye zhurong_14:55
devkulkarni#endmeeting14:55
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guoguogood night14:58
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haleybhi, is anyone else around for the dvr meeting?  if not you'll get 59 minutes back for other things15:01
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haleybalright, have my answer :)15:04
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rkukurahello ML2’ers!16:02
Sukhdev_Hello16:02
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rkukuraanyone else here for the ML2 meeting today?16:03
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rkukuradasanind?16:04
rkukuradon’t see trevormc16:04
Sukhdev_trevor seems to be missing as well16:04
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rkukuraIf its only me and Sukhdev, I think we’ll skip this week’s ML2 meeting, and hope for better turnout next week16:07
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Sukhdev_rkukura : +116:07
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rkukuraok, lets try next week16:08
rkukurathanks Sukhdev_!16:08
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timsim#startmeeting designate17:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 12 17:00:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is timsim. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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timsim#topic Roll Call17:00
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trungnvo/17:00
timsimping mugsie kiall_ sonuk17:00
timsimI'll give folks a minute17:01
mugsieo/17:01
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timsim#topic Bug Triage17:02
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timsimI don't see any new ones, am I wrong?17:02
mugsienope17:02
sonuk_\o17:02
timsimThere's a couple that need a bit of looking into17:03
mugsieyeah17:03
timsimBut ya know. action17:03
mugsieI wont have time until monday :/17:03
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timsimDon't know if I'll ever have time :x17:03
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timsim#topic Stable Backport Triage17:03
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timsimnope17:03
timsim#topic Open Discussion17:04
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trungnvPlease review my detail specs before. this is my BP which attached my detail specs: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/designate-rolling-upgrade17:04
timsimI took a look at that trungnv17:04
trungnvI had also Added assert "assert:supports-accessible-upgrade" tag for Designate before "assert:supports-rolling-upgrade" tag.17:04
timsimThere is a _lot_ of work in there.17:04
trungnvyes. I know17:04
timsimLike a full cycle for one of the designate cores.17:04
mugsiethe problem with accessible upgrade is there is no way to test it currently17:05
trungnvwe have 4 persons to work at the moment17:05
timsimOn Designate alone?17:05
mugsieand - microversions are not needed for rolling upgrade17:05
mugsieand, OVO - there is no way to use them in designate17:05
mugsiewe have so much custom logic, and systems build around them that we would need a brand new API17:06
trungnvwe will change object into O.VO format then using it.17:06
mugsieyou cant17:06
mugsieOVO do things completely differently17:06
mugsiewe rely on the way we do validations for the API errors17:07
mugsieOVO does validation completely differently (and worse)17:07
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timsimSo the API contract will be broken, which is a non-starter.17:07
timsimtrungnv: I want to ask again, because it's important. Why, of all of the possiblities, do you want to work on "rolling upgrade"?17:08
timsimThe upgrade story for Designate is not that complicated. It's not like nova17:08
timsimIf you have four people to do work, there are other things that would be much more valuable.17:08
trungnvyes. we want.17:08
trungnvbecause: My actual reason to implement rolling-upgrade that is Fujitsu had used Designate in Cloud K5 system and we are concerning upgrade for Designate in our system. this is 1 requirement very importance for us. thus we really need to rolling-upgrade for our system.17:08
mugsieyou cannot have any API down time?17:09
trungnvmy company is Fujitsu then we need rolling upgrade for Designate17:09
trungnvyes.17:09
timsimWhy?17:09
trungnvmugsie: Yes17:09
mugsiewhy can you not have downtime?17:10
trungnvWe need any requests to queried and or created without downtime.17:11
mugsiewell, queried, the DNS servers are separate17:11
timsimYes, the DNS servers have 0 down time17:11
mugsiebut why can you not have creation downtime?17:11
trungnvCloud K5 of us really need to process any request without downtime and or get minimal downtime.17:12
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mugsiewe can do minimal down time17:12
mugsiealready17:13
mugsieshutdown services, migrate DB, start new code base17:13
trungnvlast time I know that Designate got 80%17:13
mugsiethis should only take a few mins17:13
trungnvBut we need get about 100%.17:13
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trungnvwe have 4 persons to complete this feature.17:14
trungnvwe hope this feature will complete in next cycle.17:14
mugsieOK. you need to do more research - you need to find a way to do object versioning with out oslo vertsioned objects17:15
mugsieand there is no chance that this will be completeed in a cycle17:15
timsimAgreed.17:15
mugsiethere is far too much work, and it has the potentinial to break the entire system17:15
mugsiethis needs to be a slow, incremental improvement17:15
trungnvI know. But our system really need this feature thereforce we will working hard to complete this.17:16
mugsieOK.17:16
mugsiethere is a big problem for this17:17
trungnvplease believe us17:17
mugsiewe have 0 cores17:17
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mugsieand for this work you will need *very* exipirenced cores17:17
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mugsiethis is a very big feature, and the code will need *very* careful review17:18
trungnvwe will always discuss our solution on IRC to cores get more information then17:18
trungnvyes. we will17:18
trungnvwe will review be carefull before pushing17:19
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mugsiewe do not have enough cores to review the code is the problem17:19
mugsieyou cannot push any code, it has to be reviewed17:19
trungnvI understand.17:20
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mugsieI would suggest you spend more time working on the project before taking such a big feature17:20
trungnvyes. I will working on both.17:21
timsimtrungnv: mugsie and I do not think what you are proposing is possible. If you would like to try, we can't stop you. But be aware of what will happen:17:21
timsim1. It is going to take us a very long time (months) to review the code that you propose.17:22
timsim2. We are going to be very harsh in that review process, it will be very very difficult for you to get this code merged.17:22
timsim3. It is going to take longer than one cycle.17:22
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trungnv1. I understand. Please approve with low priority.17:23
timsim4. We will not be available to help you at all hours of the day on IRC. Most days, we will not answer at all.17:23
trungnv2. I understand your situation.17:23
mugsieI will add some comments to the spec17:23
trungnv3. I hope my codes will complete in next cycle and merged in the next couple cycles.17:24
trungnv4. I know.17:24
trungnvmugsie: thanks17:25
timsimAlright, let's circle back on this again next week and see how it's going.17:27
mugsie++17:27
timsimAnswering mugsie 's comments well will take a lot of research.17:27
timsimPrototyping, etc.17:27
trungnvyes17:27
timsimDoes anyone else have anything they'd like to discuss?17:27
mugsieI will say the designate object adaptor code is ... hard17:28
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mugsieI wrote it, and it still hurts my brain17:28
timsimmugsie and I still need to work on fixing the gates.17:28
mugsieand it is unfortunatly the key to keeping the API right17:28
mugsieyeah17:28
timsimSeems like step one is fixing/deleting those nsd tests that randomly fail now17:29
timsimThen merging that sqla patch17:29
trungnvyeah. my specs bug still -1 with gate issue.17:29
mugsieI will not have time till monday - I fly out early on Friday, and get back Sund17:29
mugsieay*17:29
timsimI might have time some evening this week to poke at it. I'll try, no promises.17:29
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timsimAlright, anything else?17:30
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trungnvNo. I am looking your comments in my specs to get approval for my BP.17:31
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sonuk_timsim : can we set acl over tenant network to secure network traffic17:31
timsimuhhhh17:32
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timsimmugsie: ^17:33
* timsim doesn't really know what that means17:33
mugsiesonuk_: we do not do anything with that17:33
mugsiethats your network team's job17:33
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sonuk_I think I will have to check some options in neutron17:34
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mugsieyeah - we do not have any interactions with tenant networks17:35
timsimAlright, anything else?17:35
mugsieI got to drop, I am late for dinner :)17:35
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timsimAlright, I think we're done. See you all next week17:36
timsim#endmeeting17:36
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johnsom#startmeeting Octavia20:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 12 20:00:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'octavia'20:00
johnsomHi folks20:00
nmagnezio/20:00
JudeCHello20:00
xgermano/20:00
johnsomWelcome JudeC20:00
jnieszhello20:01
johnsomHi jniesz20:01
johnsom#topic Announcements20:01
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xgermanPTL elections coming up20:01
johnsomIt is Pike milestone 1 week.  I plan to cut our milestone releases for both neutron-lbaas and octavia today.  Dashboard has already gone out.20:02
xgermannice!20:02
johnsomI have also submitted the Pike goals patches.20:02
johnsomSo I think we are in good shape for Pike-120:02
johnsomTC elections are coming up first (Soonish), so keep an eye out for that voting e-mail.20:03
xgermanand there are Q&A with the candidates on the mailing list20:03
johnsomAs german said, PTL elections are coming as well.  Not sure when that is starting actually.20:04
xgermanTC20:04
xgermanoh, my mistype was right20:04
johnsomAh, ok.20:04
johnsomAny other announcements?20:04
johnsom#topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review20:05
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johnsomAside for the PTL-ish stuff listed above I have been working on the API reference.  I posted the listener section for review and hope to start pools today.20:06
johnsomWe had a couple of specs merge for QoS and alternate IP/ports for health monitors.  hopefully we will see patches soon.20:07
johnsomThe L3 Act/Act spec is also up for review, so please take a look and comment.20:07
johnsomAny other updates or bugs of note?20:07
nmagnezixgerman, this ^ was officially adopyted by you, right? :)20:08
jnieszjohnsom, I saw the notes regarding the FIP20:08
nmagneziadopted*20:08
nmagneziact/act20:08
xgermanno, this is a new spec20:08
xgermanI am trying to salvage IBM’s work20:08
johnsomjniesz Yeah, I posted some comments/questions on the spec20:08
jnieszfor the FIP part to work FIP api would need to support exception rule to not perform SNAT on anycast IP20:09
johnsomWe can talk about those in open discussion if you would like20:09
jnieszsure, I did comment on your feedback20:10
johnsomOk cool, I will take a look20:10
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johnsom#topic Boston Summit planning20:11
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johnsomThe summit is next month.  Who all is attending?20:12
xgermanme20:12
xgermanand rm_work20:12
johnsomUnfortunately my travel funding got pulled at the last minute here, so I will not be attending.20:12
m-greene_I’ll be there, spending 30% of my time on booth duty :)20:12
johnsomHaving four events (summits and PTGs) a year is making the bean counters unhappy....20:13
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johnsomOk, cool so three folks.20:13
johnsomI had planned to discuss the four presentations we have, but I don't see rm_work here20:14
johnsomxgerman Is there anything you wanted to discuss about those or do we have a plan?20:14
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xgermanwell, I don’t have a plan but will focus on the presentations/lab after my time off20:15
xgermanfor lab I will see if I can recycle what we did in Austin20:15
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johnsomOk.  Maybe you can convince m-greene_ to help out...  grin20:16
johnsom#topic PTG for Queens in September - Are you planning to attend?20:16
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johnsomAfter the summit the PTG will be in September in Denver.20:17
xgermandepending on the funding situation20:17
m-greene_does xgerman have my email?  I’m not good about trolling IRC frequently20:17
johnsomI am planning to attend.20:17
xgermanm-greene_ likely not20:17
jnieszI will try to get funding for that, so hopefully we can attend20:17
johnsomThe foundation has asked the PTLs to give an estimate of how many folks are going to attend from our projects.  Do you all have an estimate?20:18
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johnsomI will ask for a dedicated room at this PTG.20:18
nmagnezijohnsom, I cannot estimate at the moment20:18
m-greene_me +1 (at least)… Denver is home for my team20:18
xgermanI think there re people (me included) who would like the PTG be pased out and replaced with a design summot at the main summit20:18
jnieszI would estimate 2-3 from my side20:19
johnsomOk, thanks.  I will give my estimate.  I guess its for the number of tickets and room sizes.  Atlanta was limited to 500.20:19
johnsomThank you for the estimates.20:20
johnsom#topic Discuss asynchronous API and response handling20:20
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johnsomSo this agenda item has been an issue for a while.  I want to get some feedback from the team so we can clean this up in the octavia v2 API.20:21
johnsomOur API is asynchronous which means we continue to finish the request after we have returned a response to the user.20:22
nmagneziack20:23
johnsomThat means that we may not have determined if the request was fulfilled completely at response time.20:23
johnsomThe question on the table is:20:23
johnsomShould we return to the user a view that represents the future state (fields updated, etc.) that is "fake" and subsequent GET calls may reflect the "old" settings with a status of PENDING_UPDATE.20:24
johnsomOr20:24
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johnsomShould we return a "current state" view, with old values and "PENDING_UPDATE" with the new values reflected once the operation fully completes and we return the status to "ACTIVE"20:25
johnsomThoughts or comments?20:25
johnsomIt's a bit of an odd situation.20:25
xgermanI like the later since this lines up with our behavior with POST20:26
johnsomYes, the POST would behave like the first option20:26
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nmagneziI tend to agree with xgerman, but I feel like I'm not fully knowledgeable of the situation here. are there any related bugs patches to read?20:27
johnsomI guess there is a third option, which would be GET calls get the new values, but on failure they may revert20:27
nmagnezioverall, aren't we currently do the latter anyways? (for example in loadbalancer create)20:27
johnsomThere aren't any bugs for this (yet).  It came up during the new API work.  The octavia v2 API behaves like the second option right now (for updates/deletes)20:28
xgermanyeah, it was confusing me20:29
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johnsomPOST doesn't have "old" values, so it will always show the "new" values.20:29
jnieszhmm, if the call eventually fails, does that mean the old data is gone or reverted back?20:30
xgermanthe new data is never saved in the DB — so the old data will always be back20:30
johnsomCurrently if the operation fails the user will see the old values20:30
xgermanwhich makes subsequent gets confusing20:30
xgerman(while the operation runs)20:31
m-greene_the DB not updating immediately might cause problems.20:31
johnsomRight, we defer the database update until the last step in the flow.  This preserves the view of what is "currently" running in the load balancers20:31
m-greene_for our driver, there are some ops that take some time (like getting another neutron port)  so our code has a periodic task and we expect to use the DB as the current source of truth20:32
m-greene_we don’t cache the “new” update service definition until it’s deployed, then push new data back up into the DB20:32
m-greene_so I’d expect the octavia DB to update immediately, hand off to the vendor driver, and we only update status from PENDING to ACTIVE20:33
johnsomOk, I was wondering about that.  As it is coded now, we would hand you the new data in the handler message but not update the database20:34
m-greene_what if the vendor driver dies in the middle, we’ve lost the request entirely and cannot recover and hand back in to a replacement driver (HA)20:34
johnsomTwo things.  1. the view the user gets reflects the fact that operation was lost as the old config is still registered.  2. I would hop that is queued / persisted in some way.20:35
m-greene_our design “goal” (not 100% true) is to be completely stateless and rely on the (currently neutron) DB20:36
johnsomOk20:36
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xgermanmmh, since we hand it to our taskflow system which could be backed by a DB for HA we don’t worry about resending20:37
johnsomSo from your perspective, in a failure situation, it is ok for the database to reflect a configuration back to the user that does not represent what is actually configured on the appliance?20:37
johnsomxgerman right20:37
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xgermanyeah, so for it to be stateless we would need to have a handshake on the queue20:38
xgermanthat they resend if the consumer dies20:38
johnsomRight, don't confirm the pull from the queue until it completes20:38
johnsomAssuming there is a queue, which isn't a given20:38
xgermanI think that wold solve m-greene_ ’s issue20:39
xgermanwell, we could require it if you run a stateless driver - just saying20:39
johnsomI think we need to think about the database access too as that is something I would like to discourage without an abstraction layer.  I don't like DB changes potentially breaking drivers.20:40
xgerman+120:41
m-greene_agreed- we need to fetch service definition, update status, etc.20:41
johnsomYep20:41
johnsomHmm, ok.  More to think about.20:41
johnsomI know that I need to write up a driver spec here soon-ish where we can hammer out the details.20:42
xgerman+120:42
johnsomAlright should we move on to open discussion and revisit next week?20:43
johnsom#topic Open Discussion20:43
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johnsomOther topics for today?  L3 Act/Act?20:44
nmagneziI have a question but i think jniesz had something to discuss20:44
jnieszmain question I had was around next steps for FIP20:45
johnsomOk.  Is FIP a use case in your environment or do you expect the VIP to simply be on tenant networks?20:46
jnieszright now I don't think this will work because FIP is 1:1 NAT between private / public IP20:46
jnieszin our environment the IPs will be directly routeable from network20:46
jnieszso we won't use FIPs20:46
johnsomRight.  I kind of expect that will be a common  case to not use FIPs.20:47
jnieszalso neutron plugins that are evpn bgp based won't use FIP20:47
jnieszFIP really is for overlay tenant networks20:47
johnsomSo, maybe that is just something this approach does not address.  If someone needs it, it can be handled a different way in the future.20:47
xgermanI don’t think we make yu sue FIPs20:47
xgermancan’t you just give as the VIP network your public net?20:48
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jnieszyes, I figured other active/active driver could handle other cases20:48
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xgermanPretty sure FIP was optional20:48
jnieszok, I will remove it from spec20:48
johnsomI am good with that.  So we can just remove it from the diagram and maybe make a comment about it being out of scope for the spec.20:48
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johnsomnmagnezi What is your question?20:49
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nmagnezire: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454172/20:49
nmagneziwhy do we use auth_strategy = noauth as default, and not keystone?20:50
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xgermanin several deployments the internal endpoint is used  which is only accessible by whitelisted IPs20:51
xgermanso no need to authenticate for some20:51
johnsomUntil now we didn't have keystone integration to authenticate tokens.  It just hadn't been developed yet.  It wasn't critical as we were behind neutron-lbaas which we trusted.20:51
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johnsomThis was fixed with the new API work20:51
xgermanyeah, now if security requires you can add keystone authntication20:51
johnsomSo, now-ish we should be able to change the default to keystone20:52
johnsomat least in our gates.20:52
xgermanmmh, not sure…20:52
johnsomThat would be a breaking change if we did it blanket20:52
xgermanyes, and might lead to more problems we get asked about20:52
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johnsomRight20:53
xgermannmagnezi is there a particular reason we should default it?20:53
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nmagnezixgerman, i don't have a strong opinion here, just wondered why it is set the way it is20:53
xgermanok, for production you might want to make sure to enable it ;-)20:54
johnsomYeah, mostly just an incremental development thing.20:54
xgerman+q20:54
xgerman+120:54
nmagnezixgerman, hah... what would we need to do to make it default on our gates? I think testing as close as possible to production setting has value20:54
xgermantouche20:55
nmagnezi:D20:55
johnsomThat is pretty easy actually.  We can just update our devstack plugin or gate hook to set it to keystone.  I think there was a proposed patch for that at one point.20:55
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johnsomOh, I should also mention, I will be cutting stable branch releases as well to pick up the fixes for devstack and diskimage-builder breakage and some backported fixes.  Look for those this week as well.20:56
nmagnezijohnsom, i can submit a new patch20:56
johnsomAlso of note, mitaka is officially EOL now.20:56
xgerman+120:56
johnsomThe stable branch will be removed soon.20:57
xgermanI will be on vacation until Wednesday so skip the enxt meeting20:57
johnsomThe party for that is it was the last branch with lbaas v1 API in it....20:57
xgermanHooray!!20:57
nmagnezijohnsom, I think I have some backports up for review. generally we should make sure we look at all proposed backports before you make the cut :)20:57
johnsomYeah, that is nice20:58
nmagnezijohnsom, neat! (v1..)20:58
xgermanyeah, we can review the backports20:58
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johnsomnmagnezi I thought I had looked at most, but if you have a list you want me to watch for, please send it20:58
xgerman120:58
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nmagnezijohnsom, sure will20:59
johnsomhelper function, I see that one20:59
johnsomOk, we are out of time.  Thanks for joining!  see you in the lbaas channel21:00
johnsom#endmeeting21:00
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