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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 3 14:00:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Good UGT morning! | 14:00 |
| macsz | \o | 14:00 |
| jimbaker | o/ | 14:00 |
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| jaypipes | o/ | 14:01 |
| thomasem | o/ | 14:01 |
| * macsz ashamed that every single time has to check what UGT means | 14:01 | |
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| bauzas | \o | 14:01 |
| edleafe | macsz: :) | 14:01 |
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| * johnthetubaguy lurks | 14:02 | |
| bauzas | 4pm is like an excellent morning for some real people | 14:02 |
| macsz | and it isn't general union of workers in Portugal! | 14:02 |
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| jimbaker | "Now, instead of spending time figuring out what time of day is it for every member of the channel, we spend time explaining newcomers benefits of UGT." is the relevant quote... | 14:02 |
| bauzas | mostly jetsettes | 14:02 |
| bauzas | jetsetters even | 14:02 |
| edleafe | jimbaker: 'zactly | 14:03 |
| edleafe | Anyways, let's get started | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs and Reviews | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs and Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:03 | |
| edleafe | First up: | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link Traits series https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376201/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | Seems to be some gate issues, but it looks like that's pretty much done | 14:04 |
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| jaypipes | ya | 14:05 |
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| edleafe | Along the same lines... | 14:05 |
| edleafe | #link os-traits reorg https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448282/ | 14:05 |
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| edleafe | Two approaches for automating/simplifying the import of the directories have been proposed | 14:06 |
| edleafe | #link pony https://github.com/cdent/pony | 14:06 |
| edleafe | #link autoimport https://github.com/EdLeafe/autoimport | 14:06 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: have you had a chance to look over those? | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: only yours. which I supported and said "go for it." | 14:07 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: looking at the pony now.. | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | oh wait, yeah, I did look at the pony. | 14:08 |
| cdent | I think a hybrid of autoimport and pony is probably "right" (not that any of it is wrong) | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | I didn't like it having the 'NAMES' attribute in each module. | 14:08 |
| cdent | what's there already is basically pony, but with c-macros style thing | 14:08 |
| cdent | I think the repeat of register is _really_ noisy, but I think that's a question of preference/taste/whatever and not really a technical concern | 14:08 |
| cdent | adding the autoimport would be nice | 14:09 |
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| jaypipes | mornin | 14:09 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: So do you want me to take a whack and push an update that incorporates these? | 14:09 |
| bauzas | mmm | 14:09 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: yes, on top of my existing reorg patch. | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: just the autoimport pkgutils foo. | 14:10 |
| bauzas | why should we import some minor package, for getting an autoimport ? :) | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: not the "put everything in a NAMES attribute in each module": thing | 14:10 |
| bauzas | tbh, I'm not liking adding some minor packages in the requirements repo | 14:10 |
| cdent | edleafe: make sure you get rid of that register noise ;) | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: importlib you mean? | 14:10 |
| bauzas | at least in case the only packager stops providing new versions.... | 14:10 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: pkgutil is part of the standard library | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: pkgutil is a stdlib: https://docs.python.org/2/library/pkgutil.html | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: and importlib is an oslo library. | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | I thought? | 14:12 |
| bauzas | oh sorry, I misunderstood | 14:12 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: importlib is stdlib too | 14:12 |
| bauzas | those 2 above repos are not a new package, right? | 14:12 |
| cdent | importlib is stdlib | 14:12 |
| bauzas | it's just a discussion repo ? | 14:12 |
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| cdent | edleafe: you are still a faster typist | 14:12 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: those were POCs to show to jay what we had in mind | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | ah ok | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | fair enough then, I need to look at those | 14:13 |
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| edleafe | #action edleafe to a patch on top of jaypipes's os-traits reorg patch to automate import of submodules | 14:14 |
| edleafe | Moving on... | 14:14 |
| edleafe | #link Claims in placement https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437424/ | 14:14 |
| edleafe | #link Forum topic on placement claims http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/63 | 14:14 |
| edleafe | mriedem wants to have a Forum session to lay out the path for claims in placement | 14:15 |
| edleafe | So we can get all the groundword done in Pike, and implement in Queens | 14:15 |
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| bauzas | yup, and I need to provide a new PS... | 14:15 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: You had some concerns about having the scheduler make a second call to claim the resources for its selected host | 14:16 |
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| edleafe | Care to explain the issue? | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: cdent: I think we have some kind of misunderstanding between us | 14:18 |
| bauzas | edleafe: cdent: long-term, we could still have filters running *after* placement is called | 14:18 |
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| bauzas | that could be done in the conductor if we merge with the scheduler, but we could still have that | 14:19 |
| bauzas | at least, it's a consensus got by PTG | 14:19 |
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| bauzas | and placement couldn't possibly have a feature-parity with all the filters | 14:19 |
| edleafe | bauzas: the question is how placement could ever make a claim if it doesn't know the eventual chosen resource provider | 14:19 |
| edleafe | jaypipes seemed to think it could | 14:20 |
| bauzas | edleafe: that's why I think the scheduler (or conductor) needs to set which host it's accepting | 14:20 |
| bauzas | edleafe: hence me providing using the placement API for that | 14:20 |
| edleafe | My point was that *unless* placement is a complete replacement for scheduler filters/weighers, it cannot claim directly | 14:20 |
| bauzas | like : we get a list of RP, the scheduler runs the filters, finds a destination, sets the destination by claiming it | 14:21 |
| cdent | bauzas: I don't think edleafe and I are disagreeing with you, jaypipes is. | 14:21 |
| cdent | ed and I are trying to find the middle ground between you two | 14:21 |
| bauzas | edleafe: and *my* point is that placement can't be feature-parity with all the filters we have | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: the whole *point* of doing claims in the placement API is to have the placement choose the resource provider. | 14:21 |
| edleafe | bauzas: yes, I agree with that | 14:21 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: and I say that until the placement engine can do that, we need the additional step | 14:22 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: if we run filters after a list of RPs, how placement could know which one is accepted ? | 14:22 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: right now placement could return hundreds of RPs for a request | 14:22 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: we already *have* the extra step. It's how the system currently works. | 14:22 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: not exactly | 14:22 |
| jaypipes | yes, excatly. | 14:22 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: the extra step of claiming the resource is not done currently where I'm planning to add it | 14:23 |
| edleafe | in this change, the scheduler selects a host, and would claim the resources before it returns that host to the conductor | 14:23 |
| bauzas | yup | 14:23 |
| cdent | jaypipes: are you up to date on the comments on the spec since you made your comment? | 14:23 |
| edleafe | it doesn't eliminate the race, but it sure cuts it down a lot | 14:23 |
| bauzas | the Placement API is here for good reasons | 14:24 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: right, it's done on the compute node, but I'm meh on putting that step into the scheduler after running weighers and filters. | 14:24 |
| jaypipes | cdent: yes, I'm up to date on them. | 14:24 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: you admit it would fix a couple of races ? | 14:24 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: I get you'd like to get the placement returning a token | 14:24 |
| cdent | j✔ | 14:25 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: instead of a list of RPs | 14:25 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: but there are reasons why we can't leave placement only providing a destination | 14:25 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I absolutely *don't* want placement returning a "token". I've said that numerous times. | 14:25 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: s/token/claim | 14:25 |
| jaypipes | yeah, I *don't* want that. | 14:25 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: I see no reason to invent some new "claim" resource. | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | the sooner placement knows about which host Nova picks, the better right? | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: "claim" isn't a resource. it's an action. | 14:26 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I agree with your last sentence | 14:26 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: totally agree on not creating a new Claim resource | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | (I am checking the discussion is about the how, not the why/what) | 14:26 |
| bauzas | okay, I think I understand your concerns both of you | 14:27 |
| bauzas | I added a claims REST resource, it should be a verb | 14:27 |
| bauzas | lemme clarify that | 14:27 |
| bauzas | what if the scheduler *claims* to placement that allocation ? | 14:27 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I don't know what you mean by that. | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: I am curious how you would like us to let placement know sooner what resource providers we picked? I can see a few possible ways, they all seem to interact with the resource tracker in nasty ways. | 14:28 |
| bauzas | claiming is an action, you said | 14:28 |
| bauzas | I'm translating that into a verb | 14:28 |
| bauzas | the object model we have in placement is "allocations" | 14:28 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: basically, what I'm saying is that I see no reason whatsoever why there should be *any* change in the placement REST APIs for what you're suggesting to do (the multi-step request providers, filter/sort, and choose provider). | 14:29 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: do I understand your proposal in that spec correctly? Have placement claims the resources on *all* the RPs it returns, and then have scheduler call DELETE on all the allocations for RPs it *doesn't* select? | 14:29 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: I think we pretty much agree that the existing REST API can handle claims | 14:30 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: if the scheduler sets a pre-existing allocation to the host it picked, it would help placement with concurrent requests, right? | 14:30 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: no. I was suggesting just have the placement select a provider (or set of providers like a compute host and a storage pool, etc) and actually allocate against those providers. The scheduler would check that the provider met any additional wacky filters that could not be met in th eplacement API (yet) and if the providers did not meet those filters, would DELETE the allocations from the placement API. | 14:31 |
| bauzas | ie. say the scheduler picks A, it sets an allocation against A for that RC of X | 14:31 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: that said, my approach wouldn't allow sorting/weighing. | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: ah, yeah, thats the problem bit | 14:31 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: so I'd be fine just having the placement API return the providers as it does now, then have the scheduler run those providers through its filters and weighers and then call POST /allocations. | 14:32 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: that's what I just proposed | 14:32 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: what I don't want is a new /claims resource or a "ticket system" or anything like that added to the placement REST API. | 14:32 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: like I said 5 mins ago, I got your concerns and I will update the PS | 14:32 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: yeah, there's no need to add some new concept here | 14:32 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: claims shouldn't be a REST resource | 14:33 |
| bauzas | and that, I agree | 14:33 |
| jaypipes | ok, cool with me then | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: +1 thats what I tried to suggest on the spec too, the problem was the resource tracker deleting allocation it doesn't recognise I think? | 14:33 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: but the idea that placement will have sufficient "knowledge" to make a choice is not in the foreseeable future | 14:33 |
| bauzas | okay, here is what I propose | 14:33 |
| bauzas | I think we're basically agreeing on a direction with lots of corner cases still to discuss | 14:34 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: undertstood. | 14:34 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: the idea would be if the build fails, RT would delete the allocations for that instance UUID | 14:34 |
| bauzas | so I'm just editing the spec now, so you could just bite it | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: I am fine with all that, I am on about the current logic of refreshing allocations in the resource tracker | 14:34 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: OIC | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | you might have to update instance.host before you claim from placement, or something | 14:35 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: yes, that will have to be accounted for in bauzas's spec | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | that my main worry anyways, interactions with the resource tracker | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | overall, seems like an approach worth digging deeper into | 14:35 |
| edleafe | #action bauzas to revise claims spec to remove API changes | 14:36 |
| edleafe | Let's continue the discussion on the revised spec | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | was this still planned for early next cycle? | 14:36 |
| edleafe | #link Show scheduler hints in server details https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440580/ | 14:36 |
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| edleafe | Lots of negative response to that one | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | the main issue is being clear why that API is needed | 14:37 |
| bauzas | it's... difficult | 14:38 |
| bauzas | given custom hints | 14:38 |
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| bauzas | I think the consensus was to admit custom hints should never be returned by that API | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | big picture wise: is it build another instance that is similar as a user, make good decisions when you pick a specific host as an operator, etc | 14:39 |
| bauzas | but the real problem provided by sdague is that we make a clear contract on what is a hint | 14:39 |
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| bauzas | and we forcely name it a thing | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | we had a alaski spec about discoverable hints via a registration system at some point | 14:39 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I think we should be very explicit that getting the list of hints you provided is just meaningless | 14:40 |
| bauzas | it's just for very specific purposes | 14:40 |
| bauzas | like, I know what I do, but I forgot what I typed | 14:40 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: discovering the hints could be easier if we merge scheduler with conductor | 14:41 |
| bauzas | conceptually I mean | 14:41 |
| bauzas | but that's mid-term | 14:41 |
| bauzas | I'm not super happy with us exposing the available hints thru the API | 14:42 |
| cdent | bauzas: what does the merge change that would make things easier? | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: not sure the merge makes any different to how it was originally proposed | 14:42 |
| bauzas | cdent: the fact that hints are scheduler related | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | the proposal was just make a better, proper, extension point for filters and weighers | 14:43 |
| bauzas | cdent: if the conductor owns the filters, it makes one less RPC roundtrip | 14:43 |
| cdent | okay, but how does that impact hints? | 14:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I think the API would have to be configured with the list of scheduler plugins, for this to all work, else it was really suck | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | s/was/would/ | 14:43 |
| bauzas | cdent: hints are defined by filters | 14:43 |
| bauzas | cdent: it's just some semantics that is defined in there | 14:44 |
| * johnthetubaguy is confused | 14:44 | |
| * cdent is with johnthetubaguy | 14:44 | |
| bauzas | well | 14:45 |
| bauzas | I can't be more explicit when I'm saying that a hint is passed down from the API to the scheduler, and that only the filter which uses it really looks at it | 14:45 |
| bauzas | if you disable the filter, then the hint is meaningless | 14:45 |
| bauzas | the semantics of the string, and how you need to write the hint is also defined by the filter | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was suggesting the API makes use of the list of configured filter and weight "plugins" basically, but that kinda makes them hard to split out | 14:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the old proposal basically allowed json schema for the possible hits each thing supported, I think | 14:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | with human readable descriptions for each api hit that can be output by the scheduler | 14:47 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: a JSON schema is worth it, given some filter can change what it expects from the hint | 14:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | there was some talk of namespacing, so its clear what is built in vs custom, etc | 14:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but we seem distracted from the original spec I guess | 14:48 |
| bauzas | eg. a filter can wait for a string in a hint, but the next release of that filter can accept both a string or a list | 14:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the problem is its not clear how folks want to use that API that lists the scheduler hints used a boot, so its not clear what they want to know about what they mean | 14:48 |
| bauzas | :) | 14:48 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: yeah, even if they got the list of hints, they wouldn't know if they were ignored or not, right? | 14:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: yes, but its unclear to me if that matters to the users | 14:49 |
| bauzas | it does | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | on move we can "check" the destination is "good" | 14:50 |
| bauzas | if affinity filter is disabled, then thz same_host hint is meaningless | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | but that fails with affinity related operators | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | now does that mean the real think folks want is to move server groups of servers to different hosts | 14:50 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: exactly. So how would an enduser benefit from seeing that hint? | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | or do people want to just create a VM thats just like their old VM | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | or is it both | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems like different solutions are best for each of those cases | 14:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy | none appear to be the proposed spec, but the proposed spec is easiest to implement to hack in said features | 14:51 |
| bauzas | yeah | 14:51 |
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| edleafe | Let's continue discussion on the spec - only 8 minutes left | 14:52 |
| edleafe | #link ProviderTree series https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415920/ | 14:52 |
| bauzas | I think the usecase is just for people wanting to remember what they typed initially | 14:52 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: anything to say about that one? | 14:52 |
| bauzas | here, for example "same_hint" | 14:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: thats not clear in the spec yet | 14:52 |
| bauzas | agreed | 14:53 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: will leave my comments on the review. | 14:53 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: need to digest it, sorry. | 14:53 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: thanks | 14:54 |
| edleafe | Finally: | 14:54 |
| edleafe | #link Add use-local-scheduler https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438936/ | 14:54 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: comments? | 14:54 |
| macsz | i am still digging through code to answer bauzas comments | 14:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we agreed to can this, but the main thing is what work can we do to make this possible next cycle | 14:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | i.e. lets have a list of all the technical blockers | 14:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | like the scheduler host state cache stuff | 14:55 |
| cdent | I'm still not understanding why it is a good idea. | 14:55 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: sounds good. Any blockers? | 14:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | it might be once we have "allocations quicker" a lot of the blockers go away | 14:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | lots of blockers, but they are all with macsz I think | 14:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | to people agree with the general direction? | 14:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | i.e. less processes for operators to run == easier life for operators | 14:56 |
| cdent | no | 14:56 |
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| cdent | (see my comment on patchset 9) | 14:56 |
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| macsz | i moved the spec to backlog, adding list of stuff that would need to be resolved is a good point | 14:56 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: we live in a microservices world, and you are a microservices girl. | 14:57 |
| * edleafe applauds the Madonna reference | 14:57 | |
| edleafe | Time is short, so... | 14:57 |
| edleafe | #topic Bugs | 14:57 |
| edleafe | Any new bugs to discuss? | 14:57 |
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| macsz | nothing from last week, i think | 14:58 |
| edleafe | Then let's jump to: | 14:58 |
| edleafe | #topic Open Discussion | 14:58 |
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| edleafe | 90 seconds to spill whatever's on your mind :) | 14:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: agreed with the concern on debug-ability, honestly, thats why I proposed this | 14:58 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: I am all for it when they have a good clear reason to exist | 14:59 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: I was mostly just joking with ya :) | 14:59 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: haven't read the spec yet :) | 14:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: heh, well you got that song in my head, lol | 14:59 |
| jaypipes | Mission Accomplished. | 14:59 |
| edleafe | Looks like we're out of time, so let's continue any discussions in #openstack-nova | 15:00 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:00 |
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| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:01 |
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| ihrachys | anyone for the meeting? | 15:01 |
| dasanind | hi | 15:01 |
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| nakul_d | hi | 15:01 |
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| ihrachys | ok good, was checking if I am not alone :) | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | let's get straight into business | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| electrocucaracha | o/ | 15:02 |
| asingh_ | hello | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | I proposed this to remove korzen from the list of chairs, since he left the team: https://review.openstack.org/452782 | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | no other announcements from my side | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic Linuxbridge multinode grenade job | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets_, your stage | 15:03 |
| manjeets_ | ihrachys, checked l3-logs earlier last week couldn't see anything | 15:04 |
| manjeets_ | i see qrouter namespace being created | 15:04 |
| manjeets_ | and still wasn't lucky enough o get os_timeout experiment get scheduled on rax cloud | 15:05 |
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| manjeets_ | enough to test*** | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_, where do you experiment? | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_, since it doesn't land on rax, does it pass? | 15:05 |
| manjeets_ | ihrachys, ovo patches | 15:05 |
| manjeets_ | when it does not land on rax it passes anyway | 15:05 |
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| manjeets_ | i was testing timeout just for rax node | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | oh I thought you would have a separate fake change to play with it | 15:06 |
| manjeets_ | I had a change in devstack-gate | 15:06 |
| manjeets_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448218/ | 15:06 |
| manjeets_ | first I tried forcing concurrency to 2 but it still failed when it got scheduled on rax cloud | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | so doesn't it prove that it's not concurrency that gets in the way? | 15:07 |
| manjeets_ | yes | 15:07 |
| manjeets_ | concurrency is not the issue I can say | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | ok so the best course of action then is poking the logs of failed runs, and if there is missing info, consider adding more log messages? | 15:09 |
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| manjeets_ | ihrachys, yes but later last week gate wasn't friendly | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | oh right, there was some log collection breakage | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | should be fixed by now | 15:10 |
| manjeets_ | it is fixed | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | ok. I also remember that kevinbenton was going to have a look at the linuxbridge grenade job. Not sure it's still in his focus, but maybe worth checking with him. Maybe he may spot something in the logs that you couldn't. | 15:12 |
| manjeets_ | ok sounds good | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's move on | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | #topic Mixed server versions | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | I posted a spec like write-up for /extensions/ cluster convergence at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451993/ | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | I put the patch to WIP because the idea was not discussed by drivers team yet | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | even with that, reviews may be beneficial. I don't suggest to review it extensively, but comments on the general direction may be helpful at this point. | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | another bit here is the neutron-db-manage data_migration command: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/432494/ | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha, there are some comments there; do you plan to tackle them? | 15:16 |
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| electrocucaracha | yes, I couldn't have some time this week but hopefully this one | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | ok, cool | 15:16 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: I'll need to touch base with you about the idea of plugins an other things | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | sure | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | I see LIKE queries support patch is respinned by tony, nice: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419152/ | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | Also I looked at ml2 type allocations adoption: https://review.openstack.org/367810 It seems ready though there is I believe one missing bit in the framework that currently forced dasanind to move a bunch of sqla intensive code into vlanallocation object | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | we use filter_by(...).update(...) pattern in the current code to 'lock' records | 15:20 |
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| ihrachys | and I think we need an alternative on OVO side | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | I proposed update_objects here: https://review.openstack.org/452266 (still need to make it pass the gate) | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | the new api would be modeled similar to e.g. delete_objects | 15:21 |
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| ihrachys | or count | 15:21 |
| dasanind | ihrachys: I am working on making the allocation adoption patch dependent on this | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | e.g. it doesn't return objects | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | only act on them | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | dasanind, aye. I think the base patch needs some work, for what I see in gate results | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | I also had a look at metering patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433125/ it will need some work, I think types picked for object fields are not ideal | 15:23 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: thanks for taking a look | 15:24 |
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| ihrachys | from the previous meeting, we also suggested that router extra attrs patch may be ready: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381209/ | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | it's currently in merge conflict, so the author will need to respin | 15:26 |
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| electrocucaracha | sshank: ^^ | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Review priorities for the week | 15:28 |
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| ihrachys | I think we already have a bunch. | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | one is the /extensions/ convergence spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451993/ | 15:28 |
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| ihrachys | another is new CLI (pending respin): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/432494/ | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | LIKE support: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419152/ | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | update_objects: https://review.openstack.org/452266 (pending respin) | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | and endpoints: https://review.openstack.org/367810 (pending respin) | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | oh, finally, router extra attrs: https://review.openstack.org/381209 (pending respin) | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | I think relistically it's already quite a lot to keep us busy | 15:30 |
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| ihrachys | unless I miss smth (in which case please advise) | 15:31 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: well sindhu needs some help in how to address few things in this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361443/ | 15:32 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: specially for the impact that moving/creating a class method https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361443/40/neutron/objects/l3_hamode.py@52 | 15:33 |
| sindhu | electrocucaracha: yes, thanks for bringing it up :) | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | ok will try to have a look | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:35 |
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| ihrachys | I don't have anything; do you? | 15:36 |
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| ihrachys | ok let's wrap up then | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | thanks folks | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 3 15:37:45 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:37 |
| electrocucaracha | thanks ihrachys | 15:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-04-03-15.00.html | 15:37 |
| manjeets_ | thanks | 15:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-04-03-15.00.txt | 15:37 |
| dasanind | thanks | 15:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-04-03-15.00.log.html | 15:37 |
| nakul_d | thanks | 15:37 |
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| sindhu | thank you | 15:38 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 3 20:00:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic roll call | 20:00 |
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| johnsom | o/ | 20:01 |
| johnsom | Pretty quiet here... | 20:01 |
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| dave-mccowan | <crickets> | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | maybe spring break? maybe we're just a couple minutes early. :-) | 20:02 |
| johnsom | We are on time by my clock, but yes, maybe it's spring break for folks. | 20:02 |
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| kfarr | o/ | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | small crowd today | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | hi kfarr! | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | our agenda is in the regular spot: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic pike status | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pike status (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:05 | |
| dave-mccowan | Milestone 1 is next week and it's actually pretty full. | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | Castellan has been tagged as officially managed with stable branch now | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | (sorry Kaitlin for prompting you to do duplicate work) | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | I've made some good progress getting py35 running for function tests | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | Namnh has made good progress on upgrade | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | Nam needs some help reviewing two patches for that. (links in agenda) | 20:07 |
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| dave-mccowan | i'm going to tag the Milestone 1 release early (this week on Friday), instead of next week since I'll be out. | 20:07 |
| dave-mccowan | kfarr can you chair the meeting the next week? | 20:08 |
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| kfarr | dave-mccowan sure thing! | 20:08 |
| dave-mccowan | anything else on Pike Status or New Features? | 20:08 |
| raddaoui | o/ | 20:08 |
| johnsom | Is the cascade ACL on track? | 20:09 |
| johnsom | I see it on the list, but not sure when it is planned to land | 20:09 |
| dave-mccowan | johnsom redrobot signed up for that. i haven't heard an update on that recently. | 20:10 |
| johnsom | Ok | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic New Adopter | 20:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New Adopter (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:10 | |
| dave-mccowan | The OpenStack Project "Tacker" is integrating with Barbican this cycle | 20:11 |
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| dave-mccowan | here is a spec for them: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445543 | 20:11 |
| kfarr | Awesome! | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | please take a look if you have a change to help them out. they appear to be using Castellan, so they are starting off on the right foot. | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | i think they are the ones asking on the mail list about credentials | 20:12 |
| kfarr | yeah, I assume so, too | 20:13 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Any other business | 20:13 |
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| dave-mccowan | since we're a small group... anything else? summit, code reviews, questions? | 20:14 |
| dave-mccowan | there is a guy in the main channel asking about updating certificates. did we add support to update certificate containers? | 20:14 |
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| dave-mccowan | i know we had a blueprint that limited updates to certain types of containers, but i forget which types. | 20:15 |
| johnsom | I hope not | 20:15 |
| kfarr | I am not sure, I'd have to do some digging | 20:16 |
| dave-mccowan | johnsom why's that? expiring certs is something to deal with. | 20:16 |
| dave-mccowan | i'm sure there's a good reason. :-) | 20:16 |
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| johnsom | Yes, but you handle that differently. We assume that new certs are a new container. | 20:17 |
| dave-mccowan | kfarr i see in the code we only allow updates of containers with 'generic' type. | 20:18 |
| kfarr | That sounds vaguely familiar | 20:18 |
| dave-mccowan | johnsom i'm sure that's right. i just can't think of the reason why not to allow update containers. | 20:19 |
| dave-mccowan | that's all i have today. | 20:20 |
| johnsom | This way it is explicit for when the user wants to change out their certs. Otherwise you folks would have to notify us in some way that they changed the cert. | 20:20 |
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| dave-mccowan | yea. i think an octavia dev or user is asking. they don't want to have to restart their load balancer to get a new cert. but, i'm not sure how keeping the URL the same helps them in that regard. | 20:21 |
| johnsom | They just call listener update with the new barbican IDs. No restarts required | 20:22 |
| dave-mccowan | we should move this conversation to #openstack-barbican | 20:23 |
| dave-mccowan | johnsom can you join us there? | 20:23 |
| dave-mccowan | thanks everyone! | 20:23 |
| johnsom | Yep, just did | 20:23 |
| dave-mccowan | #endmeeting | 20:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 3 20:23:25 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-04-03-20.00.html | 20:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-04-03-20.00.txt | 20:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-04-03-20.00.log.html | 20:23 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 20:59 |
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| AndyU | is there a pwg meeting today? | 21:03 |
| GeraldK | hi there | 21:03 |
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| GeraldK | according to the agenda: yes. | 21:04 |
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| leong | hi.. apology.. having some hiccup with internet | 21:04 |
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| shamail | Hi everyone | 21:05 |
| rockyg | hey! | 21:05 |
| shamail | Hi Guest88601, long time no see | 21:05 |
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| MeganR | Hi | 21:05 |
| leong_ | let's get started... | 21:05 |
| rockyg | shamail, do you mean GeraldK ? | 21:05 |
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| GeraldK | rockyg: "leong has changed nick to Guest88601" | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello team | 21:06 |
| leong_ | :-) | 21:06 |
| leong_ | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 3 21:06:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is leong_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:06 |
| shamail | I was joking with Leong… it said “leong is now known as Guest88601” | 21:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:06 |
| rockyg | oh. I see him as leong_ | 21:06 |
| leong_ | got my auth failed on irc just now... | 21:07 |
| leong_ | #topic Rollcall | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rollcall (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:07 | |
| leong_ | ok.. who is here for Product WG irc meeting? | 21:07 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:07 |
| rockyg | o/ | 21:07 |
| shamail | here | 21:07 |
| GeraldK | o/ | 21:07 |
| AndyU | o/ | 21:07 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | here | 21:08 |
| AndyU | whatever "o/" means.... | 21:08 |
| leong_ | cool... | 21:08 |
| AndyU | is that a raised hand? | 21:08 |
| rockyg | it's a person raising their hand | 21:08 |
| leong_ | AndyU: bingo | 21:08 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | voluneer for action items | 21:08 |
| AndyU | <-- newby :) | 21:08 |
| leong_ | today agenda is here | 21:08 |
| leong_ | #link agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:09 |
| leong_ | feel free to propose/suggest any other agenda item | 21:09 |
| leong_ | #topic Review of Last Meeting Action Items | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review of Last Meeting Action Items (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:09 | |
| leong_ | let's have a look at last week minutes.. | 21:10 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I sent email to AI I took. But now I am not sure if am on the right track. | 21:10 |
| leong_ | #link previous irc meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-03-27-21.00.html | 21:10 |
| leong_ | apology that i missed last week meeting due to travel | 21:10 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Did you wanted an example of one proposal with pointers to proposal, tracker for it and gap analysis for it? | 21:10 |
| rockyg | Arkady_Kanevsky, I had a quick look and it sounded like you were, but maybe we can work together and see what happens? | 21:11 |
| GeraldK | I have started updating the Wiki page to Development Proposal. Still few URLs of Wiki pages have to be updated. | 21:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks rockyg | 21:11 |
| rockyg | +1 | 21:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | agree GeraldK | 21:11 |
| GeraldK | and this one auto-generated page with the user stories that I had mentioned in my email also has to be revised. | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | is somebody will updated templates and all user stoeis from "user story" to proposal? | 21:13 |
| leong_ | Arkady_Kanevsky: do you have a link to your email? | 21:13 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | no. Let me find it. It was called - [User-committee] [Product] proposal categorization | 21:14 |
| rockyg | hmm | 21:14 |
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| leong_ | Arkady_Kanevsky: i assume that that is to create a "sample" | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2017-April/001915.html | 21:15 |
| rockyg | Ah, thanks! | 21:15 |
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| AndyU | Are single project impact Proposals even appropriate for the process? | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | But I think I am chasing something which was not in AI | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I can take it offline with Rockyg | 21:16 |
| rockyg | Yeah. It might be good, still. It gives us a place to go when we have questions. | 21:17 |
| rockyg | Also a hopefully friendly place to check our work | 21:17 |
| shamail | Agreed Arkady_Kanevsky and rockyg | 21:17 |
| rockyg | Also, we might end up with libraries impact... | 21:18 |
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| rockyg | It would be great if we could fill a gap by improving a library call or two. | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Now oyu underatdn why I started characterization email thread | 21:18 |
| rockyg | ++ :P | 21:19 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | AndyU do you want to discuss it here or on email thread? | 21:19 |
| leong_ | ok.. should we take that discussion offline on email... | 21:19 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | <leong_> +1 for email | 21:20 |
| AndyU | I was just thinking it over. I guess I'll opt for email thread. | 21:20 |
| AndyU | I have you're email flagged. | 21:20 |
| leong_ | #action Arkady_Kanevsky and Rockgy to follow up the "Proposal Categorization" on email | 21:20 |
| leong_ | GeraldK: do you want to update the progress on Wiki? | 21:21 |
| AndyU | I actually have some material to share with you. Maybe we could get on a call and just look it over together +any others who want? | 21:21 |
| AndyU | that was @Arkady | 21:22 |
| GeraldK | leong_: I have updated most Wiki pages, except renaming of the pages themselves | 21:22 |
| leong_ | #link PWG Wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Are you thinking of renaming https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-story-submission-ideas ? | 21:22 |
| GeraldK | I have changed user story to Development Proposal, have removed the user story subpages and added the glossary and templates | 21:23 |
| leong_ | which are the pages that need rename? | 21:23 |
| shamail | I can see if there is a way to rename | 21:23 |
| shamail | (wiki pages) | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories - page need major work to convert to proposal. | 21:23 |
| GeraldK | e.g. https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Also I think at midcycle we agere to move to storytelling for "future submissions" | 21:24 |
| leong_ | Shamail: do you still have the original source of the workflow diagram? | 21:24 |
| rockyg | You've got to move them and you leave a redirect on the old page | 21:24 |
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| GeraldK | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories | 21:24 |
| shamail | leong_: I might in Google drive… if not I can easily recreate it | 21:24 |
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| leong_ | need to check with infra team for renaming the github repo | 21:24 |
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| GeraldK | Arkady_Kanevsky: I will update also this page https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories | 21:25 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | any tools that are hardwrired to use github of wiki pages as they are now? | 21:25 |
| GeraldK | does anyone have the source of the figure? | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Thanks GrealdK | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | GeraldK | 21:25 |
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| rockyg | There was an email thread on that last week. Shamail, do you remember if it was finalized? | 21:25 |
| leong_ | geraldk: shamail should have the source of figure | 21:25 |
| GeraldK | okay. I will reach out to him. | 21:25 |
| leong_ | GeraldK: can you also check with infra on renaming the repo? | 21:26 |
| AndyU | I have a version of the workflow graphic which is updated with the new names if wanted? | 21:26 |
| GeraldK | leong_: yes. I can do. | 21:26 |
| shamail | sorry rockyg, what was finalized? | 21:26 |
| rockyg | ++ AndyU | 21:26 |
| rockyg | the names for the repos | 21:26 |
| leong_ | #action GeraldK to check with infra on renaming github repo | 21:27 |
| GeraldK | AndyU: can you upload to the wiki page? | 21:27 |
| rockyg | The discussion with fungi | 21:27 |
| AndyU | @Gerald - ok, will do | 21:27 |
| shamail | rockyg: no, not finalized. The email last week was about the feature tracker rename if I remember correctly. | 21:27 |
| rockyg | It was both, but veered to the feature tracker. | 21:28 |
| rockyg | I'll go see if there's a patch for the rename | 21:28 |
| leong_ | i remember the email mentioned the changes to repo name as well | 21:28 |
| leong_ | ok.. next item: "remove user story sub-pages" | 21:28 |
| leong_ | i assuem this is similar to the wiki one? | 21:28 |
| shamail | rockyg & leong_: I must’ve overlooked that thread… sorry | 21:29 |
| shamail | I think GeraldK did this already | 21:29 |
| leong_ | awesome | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Leong are you taking Carol Lead on Support the Community transitions: Redesigned work flow and User Committee expansion? | 21:30 |
| leong_ | i assume the "email list of user story owner" is done? | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | We still list Carol on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam | 21:31 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I took a temprary lead for submission for boston summit of capacity management | 21:32 |
| leong_ | arkady_kanevsky: i didn't get your question? | 21:32 |
| GeraldK | leong_: yes | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | but the actual owner is Hiroaki Kobayashi | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Leong - look at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | For Ocata priorities we have 3 bulets with owners. | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Carol is owner for the 3rd bullet. | 21:33 |
| leong_ | Arkady_Kanevsky: i believe that is the one that we are working on today... | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Asking who is taking over for it? | 21:33 |
| leong_ | yes. primarily myself and shamail, together with PWG members :) | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes on working on it. Still aaskign who will be listed as owner. Expected that it will be your name Leong. | 21:34 |
| leong_ | yup arkad | 21:34 |
| leong_ | arkady | 21:34 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:34 |
| leong_ | anything else from previous meeting that we need to follow up here? | 21:34 |
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| AndyU | just one... | 21:35 |
| AndyU | I don't see how I can upload a file to the wiki? Maybe i lack permissions? | 21:36 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | AndyU, had you login to wiki/ | 21:37 |
| AndyU | yep | 21:37 |
| shamail | Everyone should have permission AndyU | 21:37 |
| shamail | It is done through the menu at the top | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I see on top left edit button | 21:37 |
| leong_ | you need to sign in and there is an option at the top for you to embed image, from there you can upload. | 21:37 |
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| leong_ | AndyU: ping me offline if you still having issue on wiki image upload | 21:38 |
| shamail | AndyU: Tools > Upload File from the top menu | 21:38 |
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| leong_ | let's move on to next topic | 21:38 |
| leong_ | #topic Story staffing prioritization/drivers | 21:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Story staffing prioritization/drivers (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:38 | |
| AndyU | I'll take it offline with Leong... he loves when I do that ;) | 21:38 |
| leong_ | i notice last week there was a discussion on this agenda item? | 21:38 |
| leong_ | anyone want to talk about this? | 21:38 |
| rockyg | So, my network connection is really poor and I am currently staring at 14:34:26, Arkady's +1 | 21:40 |
| leong_ | that's seems to be related to "Feature Triage" as well.... | 21:40 |
| rockyg | anyone there or was there a split? | 21:40 |
| AndyU | I believe we mentioned the need to develop a means to "legitimate" and prioritize proposals as community goals within a given cycle | 21:40 |
| rockyg | or??? | 21:40 |
| leong_ | rockyg: 14:40 on me | 21:40 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | do not recall. I recall discussion we had on it in mid cycle. | 21:41 |
| AndyU | Goes back to the mid cycle. Proposals become Goals which in turn feed back into roadmap | 21:41 |
| leong_ | it was on irc logs :-) | 21:41 |
| leong_ | anyway, i will leave that offline and get discuss that in next meeting | 21:42 |
| rockyg | Cool. I think the ping brought back my IRC session. Thanks, leong_ | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK | 21:42 |
| leong_ | #topic Boston planning | 21:42 |
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| leong_ | #topic PWG forum facilitation | 21:42 |
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| GeraldK | last week we had also discussed about ownership of development proposals and about owner willingness and resources to drive a proposal forward | 21:42 |
| leong_ | I have setup the doodle for a weekly planning call | 21:42 |
| leong_ | #link Doodle for Forum Facilitation Planning: http://doodle.com/poll/dff2nvubd4ncqgvw | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do you have enouhg votes to schedule it? | 21:43 |
| leong_ | anyone interested in joininng the planning effort please add to the doodle link today. | 21:43 |
| leong_ | i will close the doodle tomorrow morning | 21:44 |
| AndyU | I added this to the Forum based on an action item from mid-cycle. let me know if you want any edits. Also who'd like to moderate? http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/102 | 21:44 |
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| leong_ | looks like the preference is either Monday or Thursday at 9am pacific time | 21:44 |
| leong_ | #topic Forum Topics | 21:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Forum Topics (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:44 | |
| leong_ | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/102 | 21:45 |
| leong_ | i noticed quite a few of the topics have been submitted/proposed to Forum | 21:45 |
| leong_ | great work team! | 21:45 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I submitted 2. One for capacity proposal and one generic to go over all proposals. | 21:45 |
| leong_ | i assume the committee will review the submission soon | 21:45 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | By the way just because I submiited them does not mean that I will present them. I view them as communitee submissions | 21:46 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | deadline was sunday niught | 21:46 |
| leong_ | Arkady_Kanevsky: sure :) | 21:46 |
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| rockyg | AndyU, I'd be happy to moderate if no one else raises their hand? | 21:46 |
| AndyU | Arkady - same here +1 | 21:46 |
| AndyU | Sure. I thought it could be a team effort. | 21:47 |
| leong_ | and thanks for taking those action items to submit the forum session :) | 21:47 |
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| GeraldK | I can take the one on capacity mgmt | 21:47 |
| leong_ | let's wait till the Forum decision and we can decide/volunteer which one to lead | 21:47 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | GeraldK - lets check if Hiroaki Kobayashi will be attending. He is the primary driver for it | 21:48 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:48 |
| leong_ | anything else we want to discuss for the Forum Topic Submission? (deadline was yesterday) :) | 21:48 |
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| * leong_ o/ shamail :-) | 21:49 | |
| AndyU | What happens when there are similar submissions? Is there a way to suggest people join forces in a common session? | 21:49 |
| leong_ | i assume that the committee can decide/propose to merge? | 21:49 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | no. lets review which ones get accepted and asign people to present them - future | 21:49 |
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| AndyU | yes. Or pick a 'winner' but suggest collaborating to similar | 21:50 |
| GeraldK | Arkady_Kanevsky: sure | 21:50 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | AndyU +1 | 21:50 |
| leong_ | #topic PWG Boston BoF and Working Session | 21:51 |
| rockyg | If we propose the merge, they'll do it for us | 21:51 |
| shamail | connection woes. | 21:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PWG Boston BoF and Working Session (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:51 | |
| leong_ | we have the BoF on Wednesday, May 10, 5:20pm-6:00pm, submitted by Kenny | 21:51 |
| leong_ | we have the BoF on Wednesday, May 10, 5:20pm-6:00pm, submitted by Kenny | 21:51 |
| leong_ | and Working Session on Wednesday, May 10, 3:30pm-4:10pm | 21:51 |
| rockyg | I think it's freenode. I have problems, too shamail | 21:51 |
| leong_ | wondering if Kenny needs help to shape the BoF content/slides? | 21:51 |
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| leong_ | i will ping Kenny on the BoF session | 21:52 |
| shamail | leong_: +1, let’s find out | 21:52 |
| leong_ | for the Working Session, we have an etherpad here: | 21:52 |
| leong_ | #link PWG Boston Working Session: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Session_May2017_BOS | 21:52 |
| leong_ | we need to start planning for the Working Session agenda | 21:53 |
| leong_ | i would suggest everyone to start adding agenda to the above etherpad | 21:53 |
| leong_ | but we only have 40 minutes for the Working Session | 21:53 |
| rockyg | Actually, looking at traffic map, the internet is slammed in the US and part of Europe | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK | 21:54 |
| rockyg | __ leong_ | 21:54 |
| rockyg | ++ leong_ | 21:54 |
| leong_ | #action All to suggest/add agenda to Boston Working Session https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Session_May2017_BOS | 21:55 |
| shamail | rockyg: interesting | 21:55 |
| leong_ | #action leong to ping Kenny on BoF planning | 21:55 |
| GeraldK | rockyg: wow, what's going on there https://www.akamai.com/de/de/solutions/intelligent-platform/visualizing-akamai/real-time-web-monitor.jsp | 21:56 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we know the room for oPWG session of BOF? | 21:56 |
| leong_ | interesting.. but team: focus :-) | 21:56 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | or BOF | 21:56 |
| leong_ | i don't think the room is assigned yet? | 21:56 |
| leong_ | only the time/date is known | 21:56 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | ok | 21:56 |
| leong_ | #topic Open | 21:57 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | none | 21:57 |
| leong_ | anyone has any Open for the remaining 3 minutes? | 21:57 |
| leong_ | as part of the "promoting" product wg effort, we need to have more collaboration with TC/UC and other working groups as well as users | 21:58 |
| fungi | just chiming in because i missed the ping earlier, but happy to sync up with GeraldK on the git.openstack.org repo names for the feature tracker application and configuration management | 21:58 |
| leong_ | fungi: thanks! | 21:58 |
| fungi | (note the github repo is deprecated as of last week) | 21:58 |
| leong_ | i will work with Shamail and UC in terms of more collaboration/sync with TC so that the effort is aligned | 22:00 |
| shamail | fungi: Thanks, this is related to renaming openstack-user-stories | 22:00 |
| leong_ | GeraldK, Fungi, please loop me and shamail on the openstack-user-stories git renaming | 22:00 |
| GeraldK | leong_: okay | 22:01 |
| fungi | yep | 22:01 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Fungi, can you send email with new github repo name | 22:01 |
| leong_ | we hit the time now... anything else please feel free to discuss on email thread | 22:01 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | and pointer | 22:01 |
| leong_ | thanks everyone again! | 22:01 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | bye bye | 22:01 |
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| leong_ | shamail: i need to sync/ping with you later the week | 22:01 |
| AndyU | bye all | 22:01 |
| leong_ | have a good day everyone! | 22:01 |
| leong_ | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 3 22:01:44 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-04-03-21.06.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-04-03-21.06.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-04-03-21.06.log.html | 22:01 |
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| GeraldK | bye | 22:02 |
| clarkb | hello | 22:02 |
| jeblair | anyone around for a zuul meeting? | 22:02 |
| pabelanger | greetings | 22:02 |
| jesusaur | ohai | 22:02 |
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| fungi | howdy | 22:03 |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting zuul | 22:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 3 22:03:40 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:03 |
| jeblair | #link out-of-date agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zuul | 22:03 |
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| jeblair | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-03-27-22.01.html | 22:04 |
| jeblair | sorry, i forgot to clean up the agenda from last week | 22:04 |
| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 22:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:04 | |
| jeblair | pabelanger look at zk authentication for nodepool | 22:04 |
| * mordred waves | 22:05 | |
| pabelanger | Yes, I did look at it. No code yet. I plan to do more this week | 22:05 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: did you have a chance to start on that? | 22:05 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: cool. is there a story for it? | 22:05 |
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| pabelanger | I can check and add it if needed | 22:05 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: sounds good | 22:05 |
| jeblair | i'll drop the action item then and we can use the task tracker for that :) | 22:06 |
| pabelanger | wfm | 22:06 |
| jeblair | rbergeron try to find someone to work on ansiblification of devstack-gate | 22:06 |
| jeblair | i haven't seen rbergeron around today | 22:07 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates (nodepool) | 22:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status updates (nodepool) (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:08 | |
| jeblair | anyone have anything to mention here? | 22:08 |
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| clarkb | the docs thing from earlier might be worth a mention but less a status update | 22:09 |
| jeblair | clarkb: well, docs is a leading edge for nodepool development now, so have at it :) | 22:09 |
| clarkb | basically we had a user drop into #openstack-infra with questions about how to delete images and build new ones in the post zk world. | 22:10 |
| clarkb | While the user interface hasn't changed all that much from before zk, what we did notice was that we haven't actually documented any of this beyond some basic command docs for image-delete | 22:10 |
| clarkb | so we probably want to update the docs to talk about performing management operations with nodepool | 22:11 |
| clarkb | (that aren't infra specific) | 22:11 |
| mordred | ++ | 22:11 |
| jhesketh | Morning | 22:11 |
| jhesketh | (sorry I'm late) | 22:11 |
| jeblair | yeah. we've been saying "we need to make the docs better", but i don't think we've been very specific about what that means. | 22:11 |
| jeblair | this is a good example of what i think it should mean :) | 22:11 |
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| fungi | task/card for the kanban? could be lhf (maybe?) | 22:13 |
| clarkb | just quick brainstorming, deleting images, building images, uplodaing images, holding nodes, and deleting nodes are common things that we've done in infraland | 22:13 |
| clarkb | that is probably a good place to start as far as writing betterdocs | 22:13 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yes, that and also, we lack a really good explanation of what the components are and what they do (the sort of thing that would help you understand that creating an image is something you might want to do) | 22:14 |
| jeblair | fungi: it may not be the lowest hanging fruit, depending on how much the author needs to understand themselves. | 22:15 |
| fungi | true | 22:15 |
| fungi | if lhf means "able to install, run and test nodepool" then maybe | 22:16 |
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| fungi | but i agree that's a high-ish bar | 22:16 |
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| jeblair | Shrews and rbergeron signed up for docs improvement. i don't know if they consider this part of their work. though regardless, it's something we need to have done before we release. it's part of the 'make this so non-infra people can actually use it' feature we promised. :) | 22:16 |
| Shrews | that task requires 3 things: good writing skills, working operational experience, and technical knowledge of the code. | 22:16 |
| Shrews | i have only the last of those. | 22:17 |
| Shrews | i've done all the doc improvement that i had in mind, but willing to collaborate with someone else as needed for the new docs | 22:17 |
| clarkb | I can likely stab at it if we don't want to treat it as lhf and have someone dig in as a starting point | 22:18 |
| jeblair | i have some non-zero subset of those. i'm happy to help (i would really very much enjoy it actually), but i'm over booked right at this moment. | 22:18 |
| jeblair | clarkb: cool, thanks. any progress helps. and this can be pretty iterative. docs are nice like that. :) | 22:19 |
| jeblair | and we may want to have a mini-docs-sprint closer to release. | 22:20 |
| fungi | sounds like fun | 22:20 |
| jesusaur | ++ for a docs-a-thon | 22:20 |
| pabelanger | yay | 22:20 |
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| jeblair | #topic Status updates (Devstack-gate roles refactoring) | 22:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status updates (Devstack-gate roles refactoring) (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:21 | |
| jeblair | anyone poke at this? | 22:21 |
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| clarkb | not that I've seen | 22:22 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates (Zuul test enablement) | 22:22 |
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| jeblair | jesusaur: your change is almost ready i think | 22:23 |
| jesusaur | jeblair: yep | 22:23 |
| jeblair | and i suspect that will unblock any other tests which might incidentally rely on the merge check | 22:24 |
| jeblair | (sorry again about that) | 22:24 |
| jesusaur | https://review.openstack.org/446275 is passing tests and ready for review \o/ | 22:24 |
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| jeblair | i believe SpamapS has some changes up to re-enable tests as well | 22:25 |
| jeblair | hopefully we can merge those this week | 22:25 |
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| jeblair | anyone else? | 22:26 |
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| clarkb | sort of testing https://review.openstack.org/452964 but not tracked by test enablement bceause its actually doc builds | 22:27 |
| jeblair | whoops | 22:27 |
| jeblair | clarkb: thanks :) | 22:27 |
| pabelanger | I started back on timedatabase | 22:27 |
| pabelanger | I should have something in a day or so | 22:28 |
| jeblair | ++ | 22:28 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates (Zuul sample jobs) | 22:28 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: are we doing anything with these right now, or is it paused while we make zuul do more stuff? | 22:29 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: we merged a few things 2 weeks ago, and running | 22:30 |
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| pabelanger | I haven't pushed more on them because of security / chroot discussion | 22:30 |
| pabelanger | but, I can if we want too | 22:30 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: oh, i think i noticed recently that we don't have the nice subunit html file for py27 tests? | 22:30 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: i think that should be mostly independent? | 22:31 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: I can see why that is | 22:31 |
| pabelanger | ya | 22:31 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: do we think we are really to test with some sort of ansible role? | 22:31 |
| pabelanger | or add nodepool into zuulv3-dev.o.o? | 22:31 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: i think the subunit thing is an extra step/program we run in run-tox.sh | 22:31 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: jeblair ya it is, it runs out of the jobs tox dir and executes the conversion program | 22:32 |
| pabelanger | I'll find out why it is missing | 22:33 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: we can probably add the nodepool project now and start working on the zuul-nodepool integration job | 22:33 |
| pabelanger | okay | 22:33 |
| jeblair | #topic Open Discussion | 22:33 |
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| jeblair | i've been making good progress on the 'canonical hostname for projects' series. it's not quite done yet, but i think much of the general shape is there if folks want to take an early look. | 22:34 |
| pabelanger | we haven't restarted nl01 and zuulv3-dev in some time. I'd like to update to the latest of everything | 22:34 |
| pabelanger | and restart | 22:34 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: sounds good to me | 22:35 |
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| pabelanger | thanks | 22:35 |
| mordred | ++ | 22:36 |
| pabelanger | has there been any new developments with bubblewrap? | 22:36 |
| jeblair | SpamapS says he's going to make another revision of https://review.openstack.org/444495 | 22:36 |
| jeblair | but other than that, i think that's getting pretty close to being ready to make a decision and implement | 22:37 |
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| mordred | I agree - I'm pretty happy with all of the work and discussion that went in to that | 22:37 |
| pabelanger | okay, that's part of the reason I haven't pushed more on ansible jobs. Because of our current issues with lookups and breaking out of jobdir | 22:38 |
| clarkb | do we know when the next ansible release will be? | 22:38 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: oh, well, i think we decided we needed to block lookups? | 22:38 |
| mordred | oh crappit. I knew I had a todo in that area I was supposed to be hacking on | 22:38 |
| clarkb | there is at least one bugfix that we can revert a workaround for in zuul around that | 22:38 |
| mordred | yah - that's my bad- I should have already written that patch | 22:38 |
| mordred | clarkb: soon | 22:38 |
| jeblair | mordred: that's adding a custom lookup plugin, right? | 22:39 |
| mordred | yup | 22:39 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: I think so, but didn't follow along much last week | 22:39 |
| jeblair | #action mordred add custom path-blocking lookup plugin | 22:39 |
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| mordred | and lookie there - it's in the top of my todo list file | 22:39 |
| jeblair | mordred: you should put "look at todo list file" at the top of your todo list! :) | 22:39 |
| mordred | jeblair: done! | 22:39 |
| jeblair | anyone have anything else, or should we go back to hacking? | 22:41 |
| jeblair | thanks all! | 22:42 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 22:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 3 22:42:27 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-04-03-22.03.html | 22:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-04-03-22.03.txt | 22:42 |
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