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| IgorYozhikov | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 2 13:04:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is IgorYozhikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:04 |
| IgorYozhikov | ping toabctl, dirk, apevec, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jpena, jruzicka, number80, kaslcro | 13:04 |
| jpena | o/ | 13:04 |
| toabctl | hi | 13:04 |
| dirk | o/ | 13:05 |
| * dirk is latent away, please don't wait for me | 13:05 | |
| IgorYozhikov | #chair IgorYozhikov jpena toabctl | 13:07 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov jpena toabctl | 13:07 |
| toabctl | as usual, please add agenda points to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:07 |
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| IgorYozhikov | Let's spend a couple of minutes on agenda | 13:07 |
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| IgorYozhikov | #topic Adding CI mail addresses to Third Party CI mail filter list (see https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/third_party.html ) | 13:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding CI mail addresses to Third Party CI mail filter list (see https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/third_party.html ) (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:09 | |
| toabctl | I get a lot of mails from the CI systems and I wonder if we could add theses to the filter | 13:10 |
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| toabctl | I can do that if we agree on it | 13:10 |
| jpena | +1 for me | 13:10 |
| toabctl | it is about https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/270 | 13:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | no objections | 13:11 |
| number80 | p/ | 13:11 |
| toabctl | ok | 13:11 |
| number80 | +1 | 13:11 |
| toabctl | #action toabctl will add the CI mail addresses to the filter group | 13:11 |
| toabctl | next topic | 13:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic PTG results | 13:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG results (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:12 | |
| toabctl | hm. not sure if there are any results | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | I want to understand what has been discussed except AIO py2 & py3 | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | because of etherpad is not updated | 13:13 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, nothing yet. | 13:13 |
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| toabctl | suse is currently switching to a single spec file appoach with a new macro set | 13:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes, I saw that | 13:13 |
| toabctl | #link https://github.com/openSUSE/python-rpm-macros | 13:14 |
| toabctl | I pinged number80 about it. not sure how to go forward from here | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | what opinions have our rh colleagues? | 13:14 |
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| toabctl | afaiu it there are differences how fedora and centos/rhel handle py3 | 13:15 |
| IgorYozhikov | I know that Fedora have one spec for both 2 & 3 but with %if swirches | 13:15 |
| IgorYozhikov | switches | 13:15 |
| IgorYozhikov | like if with python3 .... | 13:15 |
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| IgorYozhikov | not sure about rhel and centos | 13:16 |
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| IgorYozhikov | number80, jpena ^^^^ | 13:16 |
| toabctl | number80, jpena are you already building py3 for RDO? | 13:16 |
| jpena | we have some specs where py3 is enabled, using the fedora method. However, those are only used when building in Fedora | 13:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | in mos packages we tried to apply same approach, it works but we have a very small amount of py3 packages | 13:18 |
| IgorYozhikov | and we never tried to build OpenStack with py3 | 13:18 |
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| IgorYozhikov | so using aio spec will lead to "bootstrapping" local mirrors with py3 dependencies | 13:20 |
| toabctl | "aio spec" ? | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | and it could take time | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | all in one from perspective of py2 & py3 | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, ^^^^^ | 13:20 |
| number80 | all-in-one spec | 13:21 |
| number80 | erm, I'm tired | 13:21 |
| toabctl | it would be really nice to get some feedback on the suse macros. maybe we can use them for building. | 13:22 |
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| toabctl | otherwise renderspec should handle the different cases I guess | 13:22 |
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| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, is there any examples for single spec? | 13:24 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, there are plenty. one sec | 13:24 |
| toabctl | # link https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/devel:languages:python:singlespec | 13:24 |
| toabctl | eh | 13:24 |
| toabctl | #link https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/devel:languages:python:singlespec | 13:24 |
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| IgorYozhikov | looks interesting, there are no additional ifs & other operators. Need to try | 13:27 |
| IgorYozhikov | after that I'll provide feedback | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok, this is about technology. And there is still unanswered question - py3 versions of already existent py2 packages.. | 13:30 |
| toabctl | ? | 13:32 |
| IgorYozhikov | It should be done locally fro each vendor || as toabctl mentioned will require some kind of switch, which will disable py3 | 13:32 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, I'm about py3 version of dependencies | 13:32 |
| IgorYozhikov | 4 now we have plenty py2 of them | 13:33 |
| toabctl | well - you need py3 versions of all dependencies | 13:33 |
| IgorYozhikov | and not py3 | 13:33 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes | 13:33 |
| toabctl | so what is the question? | 13:33 |
| IgorYozhikov | all of required py3 packages are need to be build | 13:33 |
| toabctl | yes | 13:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | ant this could take time | 13:34 |
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| toabctl | sure | 13:34 |
| toabctl | but we need to start at some point | 13:34 |
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| IgorYozhikov | #action IgorYozhikov will investigate single spec and will talk to MOS infra folks. | 13:35 |
| toabctl | cool. thx | 13:35 |
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| IgorYozhikov | anything else to add or we can proceed? | 13:37 |
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| toabctl | next please | 13:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic - packages reviews (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open ) | 13:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "- packages reviews (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open ) (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:38 | |
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| IgorYozhikov | #action IgorYozhikov will propose updates of py OVS in MOS CI | 13:39 |
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| IgorYozhikov | also we finished with initial de-duplication | 13:40 |
| IgorYozhikov | for packages between mos and centos | 13:40 |
| IgorYozhikov | And now I'm going to proceed with nova | 13:41 |
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| toabctl | ping | 13:48 |
| jpena | IgorYozhikov: can you ensure python-weakrefmethod is also available in the MOS CI? | 13:48 |
| IgorYozhikov | jpena, sure, will do | 13:49 |
| jpena | thanks | 13:49 |
| IgorYozhikov | I saw errors | 13:49 |
| jpena | with that and ovs, neutron will be able to pass | 13:49 |
| IgorYozhikov | sounds good | 13:49 |
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| IgorYozhikov | it is 9 min to the end of meeting | 13:51 |
| IgorYozhikov | may be OpenFloor? | 13:51 |
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| jpena | yes, there's nothing else pending from my side | 13:52 |
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| IgorYozhikov | #topic - Open Floor | 13:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "- Open Floor (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:52 | |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: sorry, I was afk, so ocata works with mos ci now? | 13:53 |
| toabctl | nothing from my side | 13:53 |
| dirk | there were a lot of issues due to the missing docker-py | 13:53 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk it should - https://packaging-ci.fuel-infra.org/view/_RPM%20packaging/ | 13:54 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: thanks | 13:54 |
| IgorYozhikov | I spoke with out infra team and they told me that it should work | 13:55 |
| IgorYozhikov | jenkins jobs in place | 13:55 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, https://packaging-ci.fuel-infra.org/view/_RPM%20packaging/job/ocata-rpm-packaging-build-centos7/ | 13:55 |
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| IgorYozhikov | 3 min to go, anything else? | 13:58 |
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| IgorYozhikov | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 2 14:00:13 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-03-02-13.04.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-03-02-13.04.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-03-02-13.04.log.html | 14:00 |
| IgorYozhikov | c u :) | 14:00 |
| szaher | #startmeeting freezer | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 2 14:00:42 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is szaher. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:00 |
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| szaher | Hello everyone | 14:01 |
| yangyapeng | hello szaher | 14:01 |
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| raliev | hey everyone :) | 14:01 |
| yangyapeng | Allen_: | 14:01 |
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| szaher | Let's wait 5 minutes for everyone to join | 14:02 |
| slashme | Plop | 14:03 |
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| dstepanenko | hi everyone | 14:03 |
| daemontool | hi | 14:03 |
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| szaher | Please update the topics here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings if you have any | 14:04 |
| yangyapeng | daemontool hi :) | 14:04 |
| vnogin | hi guys | 14:04 |
| szaher | I think we are good to start | 14:04 |
| szaher | #topic puppet manifests for freezer | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "puppet manifests for freezer (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:04 | |
| vnogin | yep, me and raliev going to implement it | 14:05 |
| szaher | That's really good | 14:05 |
| vnogin | first question - as far as I know it's not possible to run freezer api in cluster mode. Correct me if I'm wrong | 14:06 |
| dstepanenko | as far as I see it's right | 14:06 |
| szaher | vnogin: I don't think so | 14:06 |
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| szaher | We are running freezer-api behind haproxy | 14:06 |
| daemontool | isn't that how you deploy it? | 14:06 |
| szaher | on 3 controllers | 14:06 |
| szaher | daemontool: Yes it depends on how you deploy it | 14:07 |
| daemontool | like if you have the API DB replicated | 14:07 |
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| daemontool | and the freezer-api endpoints behind haproxy | 14:07 |
| daemontool | you have a cluster | 14:07 |
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| daemontool | or is intended something different by cluster? | 14:07 |
| vnogin | daemontool: you are right. Ok. so it seems that we can do it | 14:08 |
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| daemontool | but | 14:08 |
| daemontool | the blocker is, using a DB | 14:09 |
| daemontool | that works like that | 14:09 |
| daemontool | because now elasticsearch | 14:09 |
| daemontool | is not the right decision | 14:09 |
| daemontool | (I've added a point to the agenda, we can discuss it later) | 14:09 |
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| vnogin | ok, cool. I think mysql will solve this issue | 14:09 |
| daemontool | yes for the replication | 14:09 |
| daemontool | for data sync | 14:10 |
| daemontool | but we need to do it... :) | 14:10 |
| daemontool | was this task already assigned to anyone yet? | 14:10 |
| szaher | daemontool: I think you still can build a clustered elasticsearch :) but anyway mysql would be great as well | 14:10 |
| dstepanenko | so, does data sync work for elasticsearch implementation? | 14:10 |
| daemontool | szaher, yes, but the sincronization is slow... | 14:10 |
| daemontool | so you upload the dato through the API | 14:11 |
| daemontool | then query the same data | 14:11 |
| daemontool | haproxy send the client | 14:11 |
| daemontool | to a different | 14:11 |
| daemontool | api node, that will query an elasticsearch | 14:11 |
| daemontool | node that is not yet replicated | 14:11 |
| daemontool | and the data is not there... | 14:11 |
| daemontool | right? | 14:11 |
| daemontool | that was the problem we were suffering | 14:11 |
| daemontool | I remember... | 14:11 |
| dstepanenko | oh, now I understand | 14:12 |
| dstepanenko | thanks for clarification, Fausto | 14:12 |
| vnogin | so, at the begging we will not implement cluster deployment for api, ok? | 14:12 |
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| vnogin | we can do it when migration to mysql will be finished | 14:12 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:13 |
| daemontool | (thumbsup) | 14:13 |
| szaher | daemontool: well I agree with you, but there would still be some workarounds but I don't think this is the point now :) moving to mysql I think it the best for freezer-api | 14:13 |
| yangyapeng | Database migration is essential | 14:13 |
| daemontool | szaher, yes | 14:13 |
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| daemontool | vnogin, is there anyone in our Team that has that task assigned? | 14:13 |
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| daemontool | or not? | 14:13 |
| szaher | Guys would we consider adding project_id to our db schema ? | 14:13 |
| daemontool | don't remember... | 14:13 |
| daemontool | szaher, yes | 14:13 |
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| vnogin | daemontool: afak nope | 14:14 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:14 |
| yangyapeng | szaher: we should add it i think | 14:14 |
| vnogin | cool, it's pretty clear now. second question - are we going to develop puppet manifests under freezer umbrella or it should the part of the separate project (for instance openstack puppet or fuel, cetera) | 14:14 |
| dstepanenko | Fausto, I'm working on oslo_db implementation | 14:14 |
| daemontool | szaher, yangyapeng slashme do you have bandwithd for the mysql migration? | 14:14 |
| szaher | even if it will be useless in the beginning but I am working on an api change to consider sending tenant ID | 14:14 |
| daemontool | a ok | 14:14 |
| daemontool | dstepanenko, good good :) | 14:14 |
| daemontool | excellent | 14:15 |
| daemontool | so we are covered | 14:15 |
| vnogin | yep | 14:15 |
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| daemontool | szaher, we need to add that in the mysql spec? | 14:15 |
| daemontool | the project_id right? | 14:15 |
| daemontool | is not there? | 14:15 |
| szaher | Yes we need to add it | 14:15 |
| vnogin | let's discuss second question :) | 14:15 |
| daemontool | ok added here | 14:16 |
| daemontool | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408014/ | 14:16 |
| szaher | vnogin: I think it would be puppet-freezer repo what do you think guys ? | 14:16 |
| vnogin | szaher: 100% agree | 14:16 |
| daemontool | cannot we add it directly to openstack-puppet? | 14:16 |
| daemontool | is not intended to do that? | 14:17 |
| daemontool | not against that... just asking | 14:17 |
| daemontool | other project have their own | 14:17 |
| szaher | daemontool: it there any openstack-puppet repo ? | 14:17 |
| szaher | I think every project has it's own repo | 14:17 |
| daemontool | repo for deployment artefacts? | 14:17 |
| daemontool | ah ok | 14:17 |
| szaher | daemontool: https://github.com/openstack/?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=puppet&type=&language= | 14:17 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:18 |
| daemontool | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Puppet | 14:18 |
| daemontool | good good :) | 14:18 |
| daemontool | szaher, manage repos and all that is on you, now, is it? :) | 14:18 |
| szaher | I think so :) | 14:18 |
| szaher | I will request it | 14:19 |
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| daemontool | brilliant | 14:19 |
| vnogin | cool | 14:19 |
| daemontool | ok, next? | 14:19 |
| szaher | anyone wants to add anything ? | 14:20 |
| vnogin | szaher: please share then a result of your request :) | 14:20 |
| szaher | vnogin: will do | 14:20 |
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| vnogin | szaher: tnx | 14:20 |
| szaher | #topic Saad's summary of the PTG | 14:20 |
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| szaher | Well I was attending the first PTG summit this year in Atlanta | 14:20 |
| vnogin | nice freezer logo btw :) I have one %) | 14:21 |
| szaher | It was really nice to meet people from different projects and talk to them, there are some points that we might want to consider at some point | 14:21 |
| szaher | vnogin: Cool! glad you like it | 14:21 |
| szaher | I had a chat with cinder guys about volume backups | 14:21 |
| yangyapeng | os_brick? | 14:22 |
| szaher | I think using os-brick and mounting volumes to back it up would be good to do | 14:22 |
| daemontool | szaher, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430304/ | 14:22 |
| yangyapeng | instead cinder mode | 14:22 |
| daemontool | yep | 14:23 |
| raliev | szaher, I'm working on it already (os-brick engine I mean) | 14:23 |
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| szaher | daemontool: yes I saw it :) I was reading it | 14:23 |
| szaher | raliev: very good | 14:23 |
| daemontool | then let's approve it :) | 14:23 |
| daemontool | lol | 14:23 |
| daemontool | szaher, any other feedback from PTG? | 14:24 |
| szaher | we might have a value add here using freezer to backup cinder volumes as we can store the backup to multiple backends at the same time not like cinder which is using only one backend at a time | 14:24 |
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| daemontool | yes... | 14:24 |
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| szaher | daemontool: we need to be present more in the community we need to arrange discussions with different projects | 14:24 |
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| daemontool | szaher, yes | 14:24 |
| szaher | daemontool: some silly stuff like the documentation, releasenotes, api-ref all these stuff needs to be done and published | 14:25 |
| daemontool | couldn't agree more | 14:25 |
| daemontool | we should onboard | 14:25 |
| yangyapeng | szaher: good | 14:25 |
| daemontool | someone | 14:25 |
| daemontool | in out internal team | 14:25 |
| daemontool | soon | 14:25 |
| szaher | daemontool: I already did the tech work to do all this and I know how to publish it but we need some content :) | 14:25 |
| daemontool | to do that | 14:25 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:25 |
| szaher | daemontool: thank would be really great | 14:25 |
| daemontool | I think within the next 2 weeks | 14:26 |
| daemontool | will join | 14:26 |
| szaher | I can guide him how to add the content and I will takecare of publishing it | 14:26 |
| daemontool | her, ok | 14:26 |
| szaher | daemontool: :D | 14:26 |
| daemontool | let her publish something also | 14:26 |
| daemontool | positive | 14:26 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:26 |
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| szaher | daemontool: it will be under her name but I need to add the gate jobs to freezer config :) | 14:26 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:27 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:27 |
| vnogin | we need technical writer :) | 14:27 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:27 |
| szaher | anyway the PTG was good and I hope I can see you soon in the next PTG or summit | 14:27 |
| daemontool | so the feedback from community are | 14:27 |
| daemontool | os-brick for volumes | 14:27 |
| daemontool | documentation | 14:27 |
| daemontool | release notes | 14:27 |
| daemontool | api-ref | 14:27 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:27 |
| szaher | daemontool: Yes, people need to use freezer but they don't know how or where to find resources and information | 14:28 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:28 |
| szaher | anymore comments about PTG ? | 14:28 |
| szaher | #topic spec to improve nova backup | 14:28 |
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| daemontool | we have an engineer working on that | 14:29 |
| daemontool | not sure if she's here | 14:29 |
| daemontool | but we need to write the spec | 14:29 |
| daemontool | on how to make that better | 14:29 |
| szaher | I am working now on implementing nova backup engine, so having a spec would help me a lot I can push what I have now to gerrit so you can take a look guys | 14:29 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:29 |
| daemontool | please | 14:29 |
| szaher | daemontool: Nice put me in touch with her that would be great :) | 14:29 |
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| daemontool | szaher, please write the spec when you can | 14:30 |
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| daemontool | as we need it | 14:30 |
| daemontool | internally | 14:30 |
| szaher | Ok | 14:30 |
| daemontool | not only publicly | 14:30 |
| daemontool | then Julia can help you | 14:30 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:31 |
| szaher | aftering finishing nova engine I will try to implement a cinder engine so may be coordinating with raliev would be great before doing that | 14:31 |
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| daemontool | szaher, I think raliev will get that done, before the nova engine is completed ;) | 14:31 |
| daemontool | lol | 14:31 |
| vnogin | lol)) | 14:32 |
| raliev | daemontool, I'll try of course :) | 14:32 |
| szaher | daemontool: :D nice | 14:32 |
| daemontool | ok, | 14:32 |
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| daemontool | next? | 14:32 |
| vnogin | raliev: == flash :) | 14:32 |
| szaher | #topic spec to define minimum backup criteria | 14:33 |
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| daemontool | ok, | 14:33 |
| daemontool | something like the following | 14:33 |
| daemontool | - every backup engine should support the following feature: | 14:33 |
| daemontool | - single object backup (i.e. single volume, single instance) | 14:33 |
| daemontool | - all objects owned by a tenant | 14:33 |
| daemontool | - all objects from all tenants (admin) | 14:33 |
| daemontool | - for volumes, all volumes part of a consistency group | 14:33 |
| daemontool | something that makes life easy | 14:33 |
| daemontool | for people that manage operations | 14:33 |
| vnogin | we can add images as well | 14:34 |
| szaher | raliev: what do you think about this ? | 14:34 |
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| daemontool | by object I mean | 14:35 |
| raliev | szaher, about what - os-brick discussion or minimum backup criteria? :) | 14:35 |
| daemontool | instances or volumes | 14:35 |
| szaher | about the backup criteria backing up one obj, all obj, tenant | 14:36 |
| szaher | daemontool: Fausto can we have a spec about this one as well ? | 14:37 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:38 |
| szaher | so we can get an Idea about what should be done | 14:38 |
| szaher | next ? | 14:38 |
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| daemontool | for cinder os-brick | 14:38 |
| daemontool | I've added that i nthe spec | 14:38 |
| daemontool | but I think one spec should be done | 14:38 |
| daemontool | for all backup engines | 14:38 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:38 |
| daemontool | good for me | 14:38 |
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| szaher | It will be good for all | 14:39 |
| raliev | good for me too | 14:39 |
| szaher | next? | 14:39 |
| daemontool | yep | 14:40 |
| szaher | #topic Heat resources for Freezer | 14:40 |
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| daemontool | ok, we have this as a requirement | 14:40 |
| daemontool | from the business.... | 14:40 |
| daemontool | very important for us | 14:40 |
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| daemontool | we should onboard an engineer withing the net 2 weeks | 14:41 |
| daemontool | to do that | 14:41 |
| yangyapeng | we should have a template | 14:41 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:41 |
| szaher | daemontool: Do we know what needs to be done ? | 14:41 |
| daemontool | we need to have a spec | 14:41 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:41 |
| daemontool | whatever can be possible to be done from the scheduler nd the agent | 14:42 |
| daemontool | should be possible to be executed from a heat template | 14:42 |
| daemontool | as a general rule | 14:42 |
| daemontool | but I think we need to segment the task | 14:42 |
| daemontool | and start with something small | 14:42 |
| szaher | daemontool: agree | 14:42 |
| daemontool | backup and restore execution | 14:43 |
| daemontool | and loading the jobs | 14:43 |
| daemontool | at minimum | 14:43 |
| daemontool | ok we need a spec | 14:44 |
| daemontool | anyone? | 14:44 |
| daemontool | I can write it | 14:44 |
| daemontool | yangyapeng, are you interested eventually? do you have time? | 14:44 |
| daemontool | not to implement | 14:44 |
| daemontool | to write the spec... | 14:44 |
| daemontool | even implementation of course, as you want | 14:44 |
| yangyapeng | daemontool: i can write the spec, | 14:45 |
| daemontool | brilliant | 14:45 |
| daemontool | thanks :) | 14:45 |
| daemontool | szaher, are you ok? | 14:45 |
| daemontool | with this? | 14:45 |
| szaher | Yes :) | 14:45 |
| daemontool | sorry to push for it, but we need it.... | 14:45 |
| szaher | daemontool: I totally Ok with me :) | 14:45 |
| szaher | yangyapeng: you might want to talk to heat guys at some point | 14:45 |
| szaher | next ? | 14:46 |
| daemontool | yangyapeng, we count on that please, thank you :) | 14:46 |
| daemontool | yep | 14:46 |
| yangyapeng | :) | 14:46 |
| szaher | #topic Switch to MySQL | 14:47 |
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| daemontool | I think we discussed this already? | 14:47 |
| szaher | Yes | 14:47 |
| szaher | next? | 14:47 |
| daemontool | yep | 14:47 |
| szaher | #topic Add flexible options to rsync backup | 14:48 |
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| daemontool | this backup engine | 14:48 |
| daemontool | is critical | 14:48 |
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| daemontool | but now it is not usable | 14:48 |
| daemontool | for big volumes | 14:48 |
| daemontool | or big mount of data | 14:48 |
| daemontool | we need to make it more flexible | 14:49 |
| daemontool | the issue is the sliding window | 14:49 |
| daemontool | of 1 byte | 14:49 |
| daemontool | for rolling checksum | 14:49 |
| daemontool | we have 1 checksum computation for each byte | 14:49 |
| daemontool | good for space efficiency | 14:49 |
| daemontool | but | 14:49 |
| daemontool | not for time | 14:49 |
| raliev | guys, regarding rsync backup | 14:50 |
| raliev | I have one update | 14:50 |
| raliev | I also working on improving rsync engine | 14:50 |
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| daemontool | ok | 14:50 |
| szaher | Ok | 14:51 |
| raliev | I found a lot of problems | 14:51 |
| raliev | and with rolling checksum also | 14:51 |
| daemontool | raliev, when you can write few lines on etherpad | 14:51 |
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| raliev | long story short, performance of current implementation of rolling checksum is completely bad | 14:51 |
| daemontool | just one liner per issue | 14:52 |
| daemontool | raliev, yes | 14:52 |
| daemontool | ah ok :) | 14:52 |
| raliev | becuase it's computed on pure python | 14:52 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:52 |
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| raliev | I fixed it already | 14:52 |
| raliev | and soon I push all my fixes | 14:52 |
| daemontool | did you wrote it in assembler? | 14:52 |
| raliev | so you would see it | 14:52 |
| daemontool | lol | 14:52 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:52 |
| szaher | raliev: Ok, is that all ? | 14:53 |
| raliev | actually yes | 14:53 |
| szaher | we have 7 minutes :) | 14:53 |
| szaher | OK next topic | 14:53 |
| szaher | #topic api v2 | 14:53 |
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| szaher | I will be working on api v2 where I will try to introduce tenant_id | 14:54 |
| szaher | I started that already and the new url schema will look like ip:9090/v2/project_id/jobs | 14:54 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:54 |
| szaher | so we can apply policy | 14:54 |
| szaher | also in the PTG they introduced api microversions | 14:55 |
| daemontool | should we add something like backup to identify the service? | 14:55 |
| daemontool | in the url imean | 14:55 |
| szaher | I don't think we need it as all os apis don't have something like that | 14:55 |
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| daemontool | okok | 14:55 |
| szaher | back again to microversions iam not sure if we will need it or not | 14:55 |
| szaher | gonna send something links about it got from the community | 14:56 |
| szaher | i will send it in freezer room | 14:56 |
| szaher | I think that all for me :) | 14:56 |
| szaher | anyone wants to add anything ? | 14:56 |
| szaher | we have less than 4 minutes | 14:56 |
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| Allen_ | how quickly | 14:56 |
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| szaher | Allen_: the microversion links ? | 14:57 |
| szaher | or the api change ? | 14:57 |
| szaher | Ok guys we are running out of time, Let's continue this in freezer room if you still have any questions | 14:58 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:58 |
| daemontool | thanks :) | 14:58 |
| szaher | Thank you guys :) | 14:59 |
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| szaher | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 2 14:59:13 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-03-02-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-03-02-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-03-02-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 2 15:00:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | welcome back from PTG | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
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| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| xyang2 | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | wow everyone's asleep this morning | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | Hello | 15:01 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov cknight gouthamr toabctl markstur: courtesy ping | 15:01 |
| tommylikehu | hi | 15:01 |
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| tommylikehu | sudo ping | 15:01 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | well we have a quorum at least | 15:02 |
| bswartz | no announcements today | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:03 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | gates are broken, but keep calm and stay tuned )) | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | #topic Experimental Features | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | so one of the major topics from the PTG was that not everyone his happy with how experimental feature development has gone | 15:03 |
| bswartz | we discussed some possible changes, but I wanted to hold off making any official decisions until we had an officially recorded meeting (like today) | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | the concerns fell into 2 areas mostly | 15:04 |
| bswartz | (1) was the API mechanism for experimental features and (2) was the development process for experimental features | 15:05 |
| bswartz | for (1) the proposal is to use a different rest endpoint for experimental APIs rather than using the current header flag to enable experimental APIs | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | Using a different rest endpoint has a lot of advantages, and other projects are already doing their experimental features that way | 15:06 |
| bswartz | Plus nobody else (AFAIK) has adopted Manila's header mechanism | 15:07 |
| bswartz | The downside to this proposal is that there would be a LOT of code change for no immediate benefit | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | so let me ask you all, does anyone want to drive this proposal during Pike? | 15:08 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: the one who raised it? ) | 15:08 |
| bswartz | gouthamr suggested this | 15:08 |
| bswartz | he's here in the channel -- not sure if he's paying attention | 15:09 |
| bswartz | I saw him in the hallway 10 minutes ago... | 15:09 |
| bswartz | So here's the thing | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | breaking news, gates for manila project are fixed here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440531 all new commits and patch-sets better to set as dependency on this | 15:10 |
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| ganso | bswartz: I got the impression that gouthamr wanted to solve this problem with solution #2 | 15:10 |
| bswartz | My feeling is that if we create a new rest endpoint for experimental stuff and we stop using the header, then it's a major change to the manila API and would require us to move to v3 | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | ganso; same | 15:10 |
| bswartz | ganso: the 2 issues are completely orthagonal | 15:10 |
| bswartz | we'll discuss (2) in a moment | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: we can acceps this header further, just not having experimental APIs anymore | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: having them as (2) | 15:11 |
| bswartz | anyways, there are other things I don't like about our current microversion approach, andeven the API-WG doesn't like our current microversion approach | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I see it this way as gouthamr's proposal | 15:12 |
| bswartz | so moving to a v3 API would allow us to fix more things | 15:12 |
| gouthamr | hey bswartz: was on a call. reading scrollback | 15:12 |
| bswartz | however all of that is a bunch of code for what amounts to API structural improvements but not actual value | 15:12 |
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| gouthamr | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:13 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: how we expose experimental APIs in the code and how we developer them are completely unrelated issues | 15:13 |
| bswartz | the only exception is if we stop doing them altogether | 15:14 |
| bswartz | and I haven't heard anyone suggest that yet | 15:14 |
| bswartz | s/developer/develop/ | 15:14 |
| bswartz | okay let's move on to the second issue since that what people seem to be most interested in | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | so our current approach is that you can merge anything that doesn't affect the API as long as it passes our normal processes of good code quality, doesn't break anything, has test coverage, etc | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | and you can merge changes that affect the API if you (a) microversion them and implement backwards comaptibility or (b) microversions, mark them experimental, and don't implement backwards compability | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | (b) microversion them, mark them experimental, and don't implement backwards compability | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | new features are implemented as a small number of large commits (ideally 1) | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | and we deal with uncertainty in the API design by using the experimental tag | 15:18 |
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| gouthamr | the problem is that a new experimental feature touches non-experimental/stable APIs | 15:19 |
| bswartz | some have suggested that keep stuff we're uncertain about out of master, either by creating feature branches, or by simply not merging stuff until we're completely sure about the API design | 15:19 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: those are just a bunch of bugs IMO | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | and whatever we say/do to convince ourselves, we break the API *always* | 15:20 |
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| gouthamr | yes.. that's the problem bswartz | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | stable would mean we do all we can to ensure they're stable | 15:20 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: we can do things to reduce the number of those kinds of bugs | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | we live with bugs. | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | :| | 15:20 |
| bswartz | but that's a 3rd approach | 15:20 |
| bswartz | if that's the only problem we have then let's stop talking about (1) and (2) and focus on that | 15:21 |
| bswartz | so we have had examples of experimental changes modifying stable APIs | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | we have a rule that you MUST SUPRESS THOSE CHANGES unless the client sends the experimental tag | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | if people actually followed that rule I think we would be in okay shape | 15:22 |
| bswartz | so maybe we need to raise awareness about this rule | 15:22 |
| bswartz | or maybe we need more tempest tests that are able to catch that class of bugs | 15:22 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: would that make you happy? | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | no | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | my proposal is to leave the stable API and evolve it slowly with microversions | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | any new change to the API that comes with the premise "sorry can't maintain backwards compatibility" cannot live alongside manila's API | 15:23 |
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| gouthamr | so, i propose creating a new endpoint that people can chose to totally ignore in their clouds | 15:24 |
| gouthamr | this is not RBAC, no experimental header | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr: you're confusing the mechanism with actually enforcing the rules we already have | 15:24 |
| gouthamr | this is a experimental API endpoint that you can keep breaking at whim | 15:25 |
| bswartz | using a different mechanism, we will still face the same class of issues unless we get better about enfocing our rules | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | not really | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | tempest always tests the v2 endpoint | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | our tempest tests* | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | we will not test the v3 endpoint with the same tests/clients | 15:25 |
| * gouthamr oops i named them | 15:26 | |
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| ganso | gouthamr: but isn't the code base the same? like, if a new feature, which has an experimental API, touches share/manager.py code, and breaks share creation path, which is a stable API, wouldn't it affect the regular endpoint? | 15:26 |
| gouthamr | ganso: sure yes.. which was why the real way of doing this is feature branches | 15:26 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: no matter whether we use our existing mechanism or a different rest endpoint, we're not going to have to share-list APIs | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | ganso: but the argument against it is the huge tax on the developers | 15:27 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: the experimental share list and the stable share list will use the same code, and that code will need if statements in it to see which flavor is being invoked | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | ganso: so this is a compromise where we police the behavior properly with "stable API" tests | 15:27 |
| bswartz | the problem is that people are forgetting those if tests altogether | 15:27 |
| bswartz | and we don't have tests that enforce good behavior | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: we do... we just change the tests when we change the stable APIs ... | 15:28 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: then you got at the source of the problem | 15:28 |
| bswartz | we need to make it hard or impossible to do that | 15:28 |
| bswartz | this has nothing to do with adding a new endpoint | 15:29 |
| * gouthamr split tempest repo - make it branchless | 15:29 | |
| * gouthamr runs | 15:29 | |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: split tests to separate repo ))) | 15:29 |
| * bswartz sighs | 15:29 | |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr ^_^ | 15:29 |
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| * toabctl was driving home with the QA ptl and is now convinced that a extra tempest test repo might be a good thing | 15:30 | |
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| gouthamr | toabctl: he got yoy | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | you* | 15:31 |
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| toabctl | :) | 15:31 |
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| ganso | how so? what am I missing? | 15:31 |
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| tbarron | I'm not convinced that the tax on devs working on experimental features in an experimental branch outweighs the tax on all developers in the main branch of doing the work to make sure experimental features don't break core features. | 15:31 |
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| gouthamr | tbarron: i'm with you on that one... bswartz pointed out that it may discourage some developers from contributing | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: just develop such one )) | 15:32 |
| ganso | I think it can ultimately increase the risk, in the long run | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: it will require architecture rework, not only simple rebases | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | you may replace developers with vendor-driven-developers and make better sense of that | 15:33 |
| ganso | we may end up developing in feature branches, and we *think* we are happy with it, we merge, and then we find out we aren't, and we don't have the experimental API excuse anymore | 15:33 |
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| gouthamr | ganso: we shouldn't | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | ganso: when we develop in feature branches, i'm hoping we're testing well enough | 15:34 |
| tbarron | or they don't merge | 15:34 |
| toabctl | gouthamr, why are we testing more in feature branches? | 15:34 |
| ganso | gouthamr: why don't we continue to do what we are doing, but increase effort in testing? | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: ok, remind API breakage caused by experimental APIs | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: that really worth such rework of approach for developing new APIs | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | toabctl: regression tests | 15:36 |
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| gouthamr | ganso: how so? we don't have dedicated QA resources... | 15:36 |
| ganso | gouthamr: and how would we have with feature branches? | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: i should start tweeting this stuff | 15:36 |
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| tbarron | currently we can have gate failures caused by experimental features that reduce our velocity on core feature work | 15:36 |
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| toabctl | true | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | ping | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov | pong | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | sorry guys my connection dropped | 15:37 |
| tommylikehu | bswartz is back | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | ganso: testing has always been the responsibility of the developer or a group of developers in manila... only once in a while do we submit test-improvement patches.. | 15:37 |
| bswartz | it's all my fault for hacking on my network config right before the meeting | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | bswartz supposedly typed 20 lines and was ignored :P | 15:38 |
| bswartz | looks like I missed about 5 minutes of the meeting and you missed 5 minutes of my ranting | 15:38 |
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| tbarron | you should be doing that in a parallel experimental meeting | 15:38 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: ^^ | 15:38 |
| tommylikehu | tbarron:lol | 15:38 |
| * gouthamr *calls netapp firewall guys* job well done guys. *hangs up* | 15:38 | |
| ganso | tbarron: lol | 15:38 |
| bswartz | okay I'll summarize my points so we can move on | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | it seems there's no strong case to be made for changing our experimental API mechanism or development process | 15:39 |
| bswartz | this is all about testing and how we enforce the rule we already have | 15:39 |
| bswartz | let's fix the bugs we already have and work on preventing new bugs from this class | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | ? | 15:40 |
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| tbarron | well, you missed my remarks about the tax that doing all this stuff imposes on the development and hardening of our core features | 15:40 |
| bswartz | the first priority is to fix the existing bugs | 15:40 |
| tbarron | but we can take that up in another meeting after we've all read and digested backlog, myself included | 15:40 |
| bswartz | the second priority is to protect against the next bug of this type with better testing | 15:40 |
| vponomaryov | which ones from endless army of them? | 15:40 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: at least *filing* the bugs and compiling a list would be helpful | 15:41 |
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| gouthamr | we've been doing that.. and the point of bringing this up is that this is taxing... | 15:41 |
| bswartz | I see a lot of complaining and suggesting large changes but nobody is doing the simple work of correcting the existing issues | 15:41 |
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| vponomaryov | why nobody? | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | if we don't change our stance, we're only going deeper into it and causing pain to the end users | 15:42 |
| tommylikehu | I am trying to help | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr: I thing the opposite is true -- I won't even consider a major change until our house it in order | 15:42 |
| bswartz | is in order | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: which has been my point | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: no more experimental features.... come with a baked feature and let's add it | 15:43 |
| bswartz | when your house gets really dirty do you move to a new house or do you clean the house your in? | 15:43 |
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| gouthamr | i understand the desire not to impact migration, replication, share groups | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | let's drop the "experimental" tag and evolve these APIs | 15:43 |
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| ganso | gouthamr: no, fix all the bugs first | 15:44 |
| bswartz | ganso: +1 | 15:44 |
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| gouthamr | ganso: i'm not interested in fixing bugs caused by not invoking this header | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | i don't consider that a bug | 15:44 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: these are huge bugs | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | i consider such a bugfix that breaks end users | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | and is not ever ever supposed to be done | 15:45 |
| bswartz | you don't have to fix them but I'm not willing to discuss any changes to how experimental APIs work until our existing APIs follow the rules we laid out when we added experimental APIs | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | i don't think these APIs can get any better or change "drastically" without us being able to maintain backwards compatibility | 15:46 |
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| gouthamr | let's take the pain on doing that rather than shove in more "experimental" features | 15:46 |
| ganso | gouthamr: the root cause is testing, if the bugs are in stable APIs, we fix them, even if the bugfix breaks the experimental ones, ok, then we fix the experimental ones, with proper testing, to avoid breaking the stable APIs again... for those that are already in-tree. For new experimental features, they should come packed with lots of tests | 15:46 |
| bswartz | people are criticizing the mechanism because we have problems, but the mechanism isn't the cause of the problems, it's people doing the wrong thing that's the cause of the problems | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | once we start doing the right thing, we can have a production discussion about what the mechanism should be | 15:47 |
| bswartz | productive | 15:47 |
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| vponomaryov | agree with bswartz and ganso | 15:47 |
| tommylikehu_ | +1 | 15:47 |
| bswartz | okay I'm going to skip over other topics on the agenda and move to the other critical one | 15:47 |
| bswartz | #topic Specs Deadline | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | in Ocata we agreed to have a low priority spec deadline at milestone-1 and a high priority spec deadline at milestone-2 | 15:48 |
| bswartz | I propose moving the high priority spec deadline to milestone-1 + 2 weeks | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | because pike-2 is planned to be 8 weeks long, this would move the deadline 6 weeks earlier | 15:49 |
| bswartz | but still give slightly more time to merge high priority specs than low priority specs | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: are you sure that 2 weeks will be enough? | 15:50 |
| bswartz | it's a modest change compared to some other proposals from the summit | 15:50 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: can you publish the Manila deadline on the Pike schedule wiki | 15:50 |
| tommylikehu_ | bswartz: how about m-1+4 | 15:50 |
| bswartz | xyang2: after we agree to them, yes | 15:50 |
| ganso | bswartz: -1 tommylikehu_ +1 | 15:50 |
| xyang2 | ok | 15:50 |
| ganso | bswartz: 4 weeks is best I think as well | 15:50 |
| bswartz | at the PTG some suggested making both deadlines pike-1 | 15:51 |
| tbarron | milestone 1 is Apr 10-14, just fyi | 15:51 |
| bswartz | or some suggested making the high priority deadline *before* the low priority one | 15:51 |
| bswartz | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 15:51 |
| tbarron | ty | 15:51 |
| xyang2 | pike-2 is June 5 | 15:51 |
| bswartz | so I don't like the idea of having specs still floating around 11 weeks into the cycle | 15:52 |
| bswartz | ocata showed that with focus we can agree on stuff pretty quickly and say no to the rest | 15:52 |
| bswartz | the whole point here is to get people to stop focusing on low priority stuff pretty early on | 15:52 |
| tbarron | +1 | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | so there are 2 basic issues | 15:53 |
| ganso | bswartz: we could do it on R-17, right after the summit, some people will be travelling so it will be hard to get agreement if they're unavailable | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | should the high/low prioritty deadlines be the same or should should one come before the other (and in what order) | 15:54 |
| bswartz | and then the question of exactly which week that should be | 15:54 |
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| xyang2 | R-17 is the week before the summit | 15:54 |
| bswartz | I liked how things went in ocata, with low priority specs out of the way first, then we switched to high priority ones | 15:54 |
| ganso | xyang2: yes, sorry, right before the summit | 15:54 |
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| ganso | bswartz: I suggest R-17, right before the summit | 15:55 |
| xyang2 | ganso: people may be traveling already | 15:55 |
| bswartz | and remember we're getting a much earlier start on pike than we did in past releases, where the summit was 3 or 4 weeks into the first milestone | 15:55 |
| tbarron | i'd kinda like to see how the same process we used in ocata works with a normal lengthy cycle | 15:55 |
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| tbarron | length | 15:55 |
| bswartz | tbarron: -1 because milestone-2 is insanely far away | 15:55 |
| bswartz | okay how about this | 15:55 |
| tbarron | point taken | 15:56 |
| bswartz | high priority deadline Pike-1 | 15:56 |
| bswartz | low priority deadline even earlier | 15:56 |
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| tommylikehu_ | -1 | 15:56 |
| ganso | -1 | 15:56 |
| tbarron | :D | 15:56 |
| bswartz | okay what if we make all the specs have the same deadline? | 15:56 |
| bswartz | that was proposed in Atlanta | 15:57 |
| ganso | bswartz: wouldn't it bring back the problem of not focusing on hi-pri? | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | ganso: if there's one deadline then high priority would actually mean "review it first" unlike what happened in ocata | 15:57 |
| bswartz | people pointed out how crazy it was to save the high priority stuff for after the low priority stuff | 15:58 |
| tbarron | it's crazy if we don't start reviewing them until after the low priiority specs clear | 15:58 |
| bswartz | come on guys, Pike-1 is 6 weeks away | 15:58 |
| tbarron | which is i guess human nature | 15:58 |
| vponomaryov | also we should decide on date when we mark specs with "high" and "low" priority tags | 15:58 |
| bswartz | does anyone seriously want to spend more than 6 weeks writing and reviewing specs for Pike? | 15:58 |
| tommylikehu_ | what we learned from ocata is that some of you guys don't have enough time on your own specs. | 15:58 |
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| xyang2 | +1 on having the same deadline to simply things | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | there's not enough time to hold a vote | 15:59 |
| jungleboyj | Argh! Is the meeting actually at 9 am? | 16:00 |
| bswartz | I'm in favor of an earlier deadline | 16:00 |
| markstur | early is better, but I think there is a need to allow late hi-prio things when needed (hopefully none) | 16:00 |
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| xyang2 | jungleboyj: ? manila meeting? | 16:00 |
| bswartz | since we have to leave this room, anyone who wants a later deadline please contact me in the channel and make your case | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | xyang2: Yes. | 16:00 |
| xyang2 | jungleboyj: it starts at 10am EST | 16:00 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 2 16:00:55 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-03-02-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-03-02-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-03-02-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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| aglarendil | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 2 16:01:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aglarendil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
| ashtokolov | o/ | 16:01 |
| aglarendil | hey, ex-PTL bro! | 16:02 |
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| aglarendil | #topic stable/ocata branching status | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | *Sigh* Ok, I messed up the time conversion. | 16:03 |
| aglarendil | so, stable/ocata branches has been cut and RC1 tag has been created | 16:03 |
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| aglarendil | the release is going to be ontime March 6th unless we face issues | 16:04 |
| xyang2 | jungleboyj: time conversion is always challenging for me:) | 16:04 |
| aglarendil | it is going to include transition to deployment graphs for provisioning and network verification | 16:04 |
| aglarendil | as well as some fixes for provisioning and deployment for scale bugs | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | xyang2: Glad I am not the only one. | 16:05 |
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| aglarendil | #topic Atlanta PTG outcomes (ashtokolov) | 16:06 |
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| ashtokolov | aglarendil: we had a set of meetings with dims about Ocata and Pike releases | 16:07 |
| ashtokolov | so we agreed to produce Ocata release next monday | 16:07 |
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| ashtokolov | and use the milestone model for Fuel Pike | 16:07 |
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| ashtokolov | so according to https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 16:07 |
| ashtokolov | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 16:07 |
| dims | we were prompted by the release team worried about release BTW | 16:08 |
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| ashtokolov | we will release Fuel Pike-1 milestone with all openstack projects on Apr 10 - Apr 14 | 16:08 |
| aglarendil | that's right | 16:09 |
| ashtokolov | Pike-2 on Jun 05 - Jun 09 | 16:09 |
| ashtokolov | but we will keep cycle-trailing model for the final release | 16:09 |
| ashtokolov | so the estimated release date is Sep 11 - Sep 15 | 16:10 |
| dims | we are adding specific dates for cycle trailing for pike - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439628/ | 16:10 |
| dims | so situation is clearer | 16:10 |
| aglarendil | dims: sounds good, so there is no discrepancy regarding cycle trailing release dates | 16:11 |
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| ashtokolov | dims, cool! It really makes cycle-trailing releases clearer! | 16:12 |
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| ashtokolov | so aglarendil I've asked the doc team to prepare the release-notes for Ocata | 16:13 |
| aglarendil | right | 16:13 |
| aglarendil | that sounds cool. do we have a patchset for review yet? | 16:13 |
| ashtokolov | afaik it's in progress | 16:13 |
| ashtokolov | also we need to add the link to Ocata ISO on https://docs.openstack.org/developer/fuel-docs/userdocs/release-notes.html | 16:14 |
| aglarendil | sure, as soon as we get the released artifact | 16:14 |
| ashtokolov | I will do it for Newton as well | 16:14 |
| ashtokolov | to have all it in one place | 16:15 |
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| aglarendil | #topic Pike release scope | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pike release scope (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:15 | |
| ashtokolov | let's move on | 16:15 |
| ashtokolov | ok | 16:15 |
| aglarendil | there are some features related to scale and life-cycle management | 16:16 |
| aglarendil | that are going to be in the scope | 16:16 |
| aglarendil | I am gonna do blueprints grooming | 16:16 |
| aglarendil | and send out an update to the ML | 16:16 |
| ashtokolov | I'd like to schedule a separate meeting for the release planning and then communicate the scope via openstack-dev ML | 16:16 |
| aglarendil | LGTM | 16:16 |
| ashtokolov | Scalability looks like the hottest topic | 16:17 |
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| aglarendil | yep, I hope to continue the work started within Ocata cycle | 16:17 |
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| aglarendil | any questions related to Pike scope? | 16:18 |
| ashtokolov | Provisioning as a graph allows us to make torrent-based approach | 16:18 |
| aglarendil | +1 | 16:19 |
| aglarendil | so let's move one | 16:19 |
| aglarendil | #topic open discussion | 16:19 |
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| ashtokolov | + YAQL helpers and restructured astute.yaml :) | 16:19 |
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| aglarendil | anyone? | 16:19 |
| aglarendil | so far, no questions | 16:20 |
| aglarendil | I guess, we can call the meeting as finished | 16:20 |
| aglarendil | #endmeeting | 16:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 2 16:20:45 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2017/fuel.2017-03-02-16.01.html | 16:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2017/fuel.2017-03-02-16.01.txt | 16:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2017/fuel.2017-03-02-16.01.log.html | 16:20 |
| dmitryme | @aglarendil, @ashtokolov: guys, I’ve missed my time, but could you please review https://review.openstack.org/428140 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/428808/ | 16:21 |
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| aglarendil | dmitryme: sure, let's move to #fuel channel | 16:22 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 2 17:01:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | o/ | 17:01 |
| knangia | o/ | 17:01 |
| lhinds | o/ | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | Quiet room today :D | 17:02 |
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| knangia | :D | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | how's it going lhinds / knangia ? | 17:02 |
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| unrahul | o/ | 17:02 |
| lhinds | good thanka hyakuhei | 17:03 |
| vinaypotluri | o/ | 17:03 |
| lhinds | or thanks rather | 17:03 |
| browne | o/ | 17:03 |
| knangia | going good...thank you | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | welcome vinaypotluri browne | 17:03 |
| vinaypotluri | thank you hyakuhei | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Man I'm full of flu | 17:03 |
| mdong | o/ | 17:03 |
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| capnoday | o/ | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Hey mdong capnoday | 17:04 |
| knangia | because of traveling ? hyakuhei | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | So I don't have much to report this week | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | knangia Travel induced man-flu | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | hey capnoday | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Can you give a quick summary of the summit? | 17:05 |
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| capnoday | sure | 17:06 |
| capnoday | PTG was a very interesting event | 17:07 |
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| capnoday | Im glad that hyakuhei and I went along, in terms of output it wasnt as good as a traditional midcycle, but it was very useful getting to talk to a lot of people in a much more relaxed setting than the summit | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | We spent a lot of time with the Barbican guys that I think was very helpful | 17:08 |
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| capnoday | We spent some time talking to the docs guys about the future of the guide, spent some time drafting a chapter for the guide on barbican | 17:08 |
| capnoday | the rest of the week we spent hanging out with the barbican team, it was really good to see everyone again and contribute to a few debates about key management in openstack | 17:09 |
| capnoday | it looks like Castellan is going to become a 'core' openstack service, which is one that can be assumed to be present in a openstack deployment | 17:09 |
| capnoday | hyakuhei has done some work putting together a barbican plugin, to allow you to use Hashicorp Vault as a secret store backend | 17:10 |
| capnoday | i think thats it for the summit, unless anyone else has something to add? | 17:10 |
| unrahul | oh.. thats really nice.. that castellan is going to be part of deployment. | 17:11 |
| lhinds | shame I never made it, 100% getting to the next one though I hope. | 17:11 |
| browne | food sucked | 17:11 |
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| capnoday | +1 browne | 17:11 |
| capnoday | we went out for sushi | 17:11 |
| lhinds | i heard about sandwiches everyday | 17:11 |
| capnoday | there was nothing at the summit that met my diet | 17:11 |
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| unrahul | Are there any links to see discussions by any chance? | 17:12 |
| capnoday | lhinds yeh | 17:12 |
| browne | yeah, same 3 sandwiches rotated every other day | 17:12 |
| lhinds | ugh | 17:12 |
| unrahul | browne: .. sounds like a meal plan :D | 17:12 |
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| capnoday | but there was some acceptable sushi at the mall 2 blocks away, which seemed like a good way to spend $10/day | 17:12 |
| knangia | that feels bad browne :( | 17:12 |
| capnoday | unrahul I think we have some notes | 17:13 |
| capnoday | hyakuhei and I will dig them out for next weeks meeting, we are both flatout with meetings this week | 17:13 |
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| browne | the attendence in the security sessions was low. think we need to recruit | 17:13 |
| unrahul | sounds good capnoday .. thank you.. | 17:13 |
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| capnoday | browne i think a bit part of that was the travel cost | 17:14 |
| unrahul | browne: we would have loved to come.. except for the budget.. we tried attending the security guide discussion over phone | 17:14 |
| capnoday | we've had a lot more people when we have picked the midcycle location to suit | 17:14 |
| unrahul | by the way Are we going to have a midcycle this time around, or , too soon to ask? | 17:14 |
| capnoday | thanks for dialing in to that btw unrahul | 17:14 |
| browne | no more midcycles | 17:14 |
| browne | just PTGs | 17:15 |
| capnoday | we may have a midcycle | 17:15 |
| unrahul | :/ | 17:15 |
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| browne | i'm still wondering where next PTG will be | 17:15 |
| capnoday | it is too soon to say no more midcycles | 17:15 |
| unrahul | if there is a midcycle.. around Austin .. I think more people can come.. | 17:15 |
| capnoday | the PTG was definitely a useful thing, but it doesnt replace a midcycle unless the foundation would like to fund a lot more of our members to attend | 17:16 |
| vinaypotluri | unrahul: +1 It wold be nice to have it in Austin | 17:16 |
| capnoday | unrahul yes thats what I was thinking | 17:16 |
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| michaelxin | Good idea! | 17:16 |
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| unrahul | hyakuhei: whats your opinion... | 17:17 |
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| tkelsey | o/ sorry im late, busy day :( | 17:17 |
| capnoday | hey tim | 17:17 |
| unrahul | welcome tkelsey :) | 17:17 |
| tkelsey | thanks folks, carry on I'll catch up | 17:17 |
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| capnoday | unrahul hyakuhei had to step away i think | 17:17 |
| capnoday | browne why do you say no more midcycles? | 17:18 |
| browne | i think part of the drop in attendance is that many (at in least in bandit) no longer work on openstack | 17:18 |
| capnoday | that is definitely a big factor | 17:18 |
| browne | capnoday: think that was the goal of the PTG to replace midcycles | 17:18 |
| unrahul | .. hmm.. | 17:18 |
| capnoday | although if we had it in austin or san antonio, we would have all the rack and OSIC people too... | 17:19 |
| browne | so yeah, i think maybe we could use 1-2 more bandit cores if anyone is interested in contributing/reviewing | 17:19 |
| unrahul | capnoday: ,, I agree.. | 17:19 |
| knangia | yes capnoday ! | 17:19 |
| capnoday | which would take it from 2-3 people, to maybe 8-10? | 17:19 |
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| unrahul | our team is already around 6.. and I guess.. it would be a more of a learning experience too.. if we have a midcycle | 17:20 |
| vinaypotluri | true that | 17:20 |
| vinaypotluri | and We wouldn't have to be worried about the budget too | 17:20 |
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| capnoday | its something we need to consider, along with scheduling | 17:20 |
| aasthad | o/ | 17:20 |
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| knangia | +1 unrahul vinaypotluri | 17:21 |
| capnoday | possibly we could have a mid-cycle at the same time as the boston summit, as that is meant to be more of a marketing event now? | 17:21 |
| capnoday | anyway | 17:21 |
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| hyakuhei | Some of us have to go to the summit still :'( | 17:21 |
| capnoday | lets talk mid-cycles in a few weeks once we are over the jet-lag | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Though a similar time in the year would work. | 17:21 |
| capnoday | does anyone else have feedback on the PTG? | 17:21 |
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| knangia | then there can be less attendance for the mid cycle, if it clashes with boson summit | 17:22 |
| michaelxin | The remote session with doc team seems to work fine | 17:22 |
| capnoday | my personal thought was it would be nice to run the PTG at the end of the summit, then have a mid-cycle to suit our team | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | So I thought the conversations we had with the docs people were very interesting | 17:22 |
| unrahul | Did we decide anything on how the new security guide should be? | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Sure | 17:22 |
| michaelxin | Maybe, we can do similar thing (for remote folks) in the future. | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Tactical; we embrace the work OSIC has taken on to improve the existing guidance by tackling important bugs | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Strategic; work on a next iteration of the doc, that maintains a consistent level of detail and does not go into as much depth as the current doc | 17:23 |
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| michaelxin | Sounds good plan to me | 17:23 |
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| hyakuhei | The net benefit being a less detailed guide on day 1 but a more maintainable and thus, useful guide over months/years | 17:23 |
| unrahul | hyakuhei: that vision of a maintainable guide is promising. | 17:24 |
| knangia | sounds good ! | 17:24 |
| unrahul | we are in talks with different teams here in OSIC like neutron and keystone to close some of those sec guide bugs.. | 17:25 |
| michaelxin | Is Doug still working for the security project? | 17:25 |
| michaelxin | There is a bug assigned to him. | 17:25 |
| capnoday | redrobot doug? or me doug? | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | capnoday ^^^ | 17:25 |
| capnoday | I will take a look, although i think this may be the one that vinay emailed me about, which he has kindly offered to deal with | 17:26 |
| vinaypotluri | michaelxin: Doug asked me to take it over https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossp-security-documentation/+bug/1619485 | 17:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1619485 in OpenStack Security Guide Documentation "Annual Cipher Validation - Introduction to TLS and SSL in Security Guide" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Vinay Potluri (vinay-potluri) | 17:26 |
| unrahul | I think vinaypotluri discussed it and got it assigned | 17:26 |
| capnoday | michaelxin that ^^ | 17:26 |
| dave-mccowan | what's the status of new key management chapter for the security guide? | 17:26 |
| capnoday | thanks vinaypotluri :) | 17:26 |
| vinaypotluri | thank you capnoday :) | 17:27 |
| capnoday | key management chapter is getting there, will need updating with the outcome of the discussions we had on Thursday regarding castellan as a core service | 17:27 |
| capnoday | plus updating once Robs vault plugin has merged | 17:27 |
| capnoday | ok 3 mins left, anything else quick? | 17:28 |
| lhinds | OSSN: one single note which I should have out next week I hope | 17:28 |
| lhinds | that's it | 17:28 |
| capnoday | great work lhinds | 17:28 |
| capnoday | ok anything else to add hyakuhei? | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | Narp | 17:29 |
| capnoday | great, lets wrap this up | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | #chair capnoday | 17:29 |
| openstack | Current chairs: capnoday hyakuhei | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | I'll write a blog post on the PTG if you'll help capnoday | 17:29 |
| capnoday | yeh of course | 17:29 |
| capnoday | lets take a look at that next week | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | Anyay, that's time lol. TY all, lets hope for a bit more progress to share next week! | 17:29 |
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| unrahul | thanks all. | 17:29 |
| knangia | thanks hyakuhei | 17:29 |
| aasthad | thank you all | 17:30 |
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| capnoday | #endmeeting | 17:30 |
| vinaypotluri | See you all next week :) | 17:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 2 17:30:25 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-03-02-17.01.html | 17:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-03-02-17.01.txt | 17:30 |
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| tellesnobrega | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 2 18:00:59 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:01 |
| vgridnev | O/ | 18:01 |
| tosky | o/ | 18:01 |
| tellesnobrega | lets give a couple minutes to see if anyone else joins | 18:01 |
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| tellesnobrega | well, I guess we can start | 18:03 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic News/Updates | 18:03 |
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| vgridnev | Actually, nothing new from me, I'm on PTO | 18:03 |
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| tellesnobrega | I've been contacted by Docs team in search of a Doc liaison, chad used to do that for us, but he is not available anymore | 18:04 |
| tellesnobrega | if we don't have any candidates to do so, I can do this | 18:04 |
| tosky | I've got a bit lost in the changes that are going to be implemented for docs | 18:05 |
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| tellesnobrega | other than that, I was taking a look at the liaisons for other projects, and it seems that we are outdated on those too, so I will send out an email on the ML so we can figure out better who can be responsible for what, I can't do it all sadly | 18:05 |
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| tellesnobrega | tosky, they main idea is they want to apply a deadline for documentation in order to have a more secure information when RC1 is done | 18:06 |
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| tellesnobrega | from the last emails, including doug hellmans' I believe that they will propose something soon and we can discuss after that proposal if anyone other than me wants to do that | 18:07 |
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| tellesnobrega | how do you guys feel about updating the project liaisons? Elise is listed in too many and she won't have the time to do so, also some folks who are not working with us are still listed as liaisons | 18:08 |
| tosky | well, probably time | 18:08 |
| tellesnobrega | Other than that I don't have any updates, PTG was just one week ago we are all up to date with the topics there | 18:09 |
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| tellesnobrega | I still haven't written the infra team email about zuul3, sorry tosky, I will try to do so today | 18:09 |
| tosky | oh, right, np | 18:10 |
| vgridnev | I guess so, we need to updated liaisons, but for docs I think that we need someone who is a native speaker | 18:10 |
| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, I thought so too, but only upstream native speaker we have right now would be jeremy. I'm not sure egafford will have the time to have this role, but she speak for herself now | 18:11 |
| tosky | the doc liaison does not need necessarily to write doc, according the description | 18:11 |
| egafford | I'm kind of still here, and may have time to pop in on docs meetings on occasion. | 18:11 |
| tosky | for the record: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 18:11 |
| tellesnobrega | I believe that I'm able to be the liaison with egafford if that works best | 18:11 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, that is the page that I was looking | 18:12 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks | 18:12 |
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| tellesnobrega | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 18:12 |
| egafford | tellesnobrega: That sounds great. | 18:12 |
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| tellesnobrega | egafford, I can cover for you when you can't be there and you help me out whenever better english is needed | 18:13 |
| egafford | tellesnobrega: Yup! | 18:13 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, vgridnev how do you fell about assigning me and egafford as doc liaisons? | 18:13 |
| tellesnobrega | in favor? | 18:13 |
| egafford | And I'll be about at end of cycle to help with the final docs push. | 18:14 |
| tosky | who am I to complain against a volunteer? | 18:14 |
| tosky | :D | 18:14 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, lol | 18:14 |
| egafford | Yeah, I doubt we're going to get a ton of pushback on this one. | 18:14 |
| tellesnobrega | great | 18:15 |
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| tellesnobrega | I will write the email about other project liaisons to the ML | 18:15 |
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| vgridnev | I'm ok with that | 18:15 |
| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, great | 18:16 |
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| tellesnobrega | anything else we want to discuss today? from my side this is about all, nothing much changed since PTG | 18:18 |
| tosky | nothing from my side, I still need to digest the TODO from the PTG that you summarized on the list | 18:18 |
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| tellesnobrega | tosky, we have a lot to do yes | 18:19 |
| tellesnobrega | egafford, vgridnev ? | 18:19 |
| vgridnev | Nothing from me | 18:20 |
| egafford | tellesnobrega: Nothing here | 18:20 |
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| tellesnobrega | I guess we can end earlier today | 18:21 |
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| tellesnobrega | thanks all | 18:22 |
| tellesnobrega | #endmeeting | 18:22 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-03-02-18.00.html | 18:22 |
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