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tonyb#startmeeting requirements10:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Nov  2 10:02:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.10:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.10:02
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: requirements)"10:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'requirements'10:02
tonyb#topix rollcall10:02
tonyb#topic rollcall10:03
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tonybsigmavirus, prometheanfire, number80, dirk, coolsvap, toabctl ... we're over here for today10:03
toabctlhey10:03
number80o/10:03
tonybsorry for the venue change .. not sure how we have a conflict :(10:04
number80it's okay, I also live here :)10:04
tonyb:)10:04
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tonybokay well the other can wander in late ...10:06
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tonyb#topic Any controversies in the Queue?10:06
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tonybI have gunicorn and kobu/amqp to talk about alter but others?10:07
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number80no other controversies in the queue for me10:08
tonybokay10:08
tonybSo do we need to go into the background on gunicorn?10:09
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number80I think so, other projects are using uwsgi and we already have waitress10:09
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coolsvaphey10:10
tonybI don't know abotu waitress but es otehrs are using uwsgi or apache with mod_wsgi10:10
tonybcoolsvap: hey10:10
number80yes10:10
tonybthere has been a line drwn in the sand that thr application uses a frame work (flask, etc) and it up to deployers to choose which server they want (uswsgi / apache)10:11
tonybin this cane we're beeing requiested to add gunicorn so that a mircoservice installed in a service VM can use it *and* the project can be managed by g-r10:11
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tonybthe issues I have are 1) g-r is about co-installability and this service isnt co-installed with the rest of OpenStack10:12
tonyb2) AFAICT this forces gunicorn on all users regardless of the preferred server choice in the service VM10:13
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tonyband 3) an ammount of history/FUD around adding gunicorn to g-r beeing taken as a blessing for oethr to use it10:13
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tonybwhich removes more choice from deployers / packagers10:13
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tonybThere is an Octavia? review up that shows how it'll be used but I habent had time to review it10:14
tonybHave others ooked at it ?10:14
number80since they only need it for the gate, then waitress should probably do the job10:14
tonybnumber80: okay but we dont' seem to have waitress in g-r (only in u-c) so that doesn't really help the meta-question10:15
coolsvaptonyb: i believe the the points mentioned is a good reason to not let it in and we have alternatives which other projects are using10:16
number80well, forcing a wsgi framework is not acceptable as you said10:16
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coolsvapI havent seen the octavia review either10:18
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tonyblet me dif it up ...10:18
tonyb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386758/10:18
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tonybIt's in the commit message of the gunicorn (requirements change)10:19
number80this change is incorrect, they were using incorrectly werkzeug in the first place (of course, they'd have bugs by using the dev server in prod)10:21
tonybnumber80: right, and this is the fix10:22
number80maybe we should point them to how neutron solved that since they both use Pecan10:23
tonybnumber80: they don't want pecan as it's "too heavy" for the microservice10:24
tonybI think we need to accept that gunicorn is a good fit for want they want10:24
tonybit's just a question of adding it to g-r *or* not and them workign around that in the gate10:24
tonybMy worry is about user expectations and flexibility10:25
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number80ack10:25
tonybThe seems to be only for the gate and not for actual users of the service VM BUT that seems non-sensical to me10:25
tonybwhich probably measn I'm missing something10:26
tonybI also don't want to cause undue burdon / stall on anyone10:26
tonybIf you have any free time leave a review and I'll do the same10:27
number80I'll do10:27
tonybI'd like to have this merged or abandoned by next weeks meeting10:27
coolsvaptonyb: yes, if they need it only in gates, can they work with it only in test-requirements?10:27
tonybcoolsvap: Well that still measn adding it to g-r so it doesn't change the conversation greatly10:28
tonybfrankly my gut is saying it wrong but we shoudl take it with a "big comment" because I really don't like saying "no"10:29
coolsvaptonyb: yes but then it makes more sense than what it correctly10:29
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tonybbut I'm worried that'll just buy us moer trouble down the track ...10:29
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tonybcoolsvap: perhaps.  I need to learn more about Octavia10:30
tonybI think we shoudl timebox this conversation as we have the amqp/kombu discussion10:30
coolsvapyes lets put more comments on review this week and get it concluded10:31
coolsvaptonyb: another review i had on my mind is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374432/10:31
tonybampq/kombu ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/1638263/comments/510:32
openstackLaunchpad bug 1638263 in OpenStack Global Requirements "Unit tests failing on vine.five import" [Medium,Confirmed]10:32
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tonybI think that link cover my expectations/understand and history of how we got here10:32
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tonybI *think* a compromise position would be the block 4.0.0 rather than cap and then we can progress towards 4.0.0 as cycle occur10:33
tonybthe +/- of that pproach is *everytime* kombu release oslo.messaging will break until we block new version in g-r10:33
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coolsvapyes i also think block 4.0.0 would be better forward looking approach10:35
number80*nods*10:35
tonybokay I'll unblock the 2 reviews and leave that as a comment10:36
tonybcoolsvap: to the review to brought up ...10:37
tonybIt looks like it can be +W'd10:37
coolsvaptonyb: yes thats why i brought it up10:38
tonybcoolsvap: done.10:39
tonybcoolsvap: I don't like bypassing a core's -1 but AFICT it shoudl have been lost when patchset 4 was uploaded anyway10:39
coolsvaptonyb: ack10:40
tonybI have on the agenda to talk about the priorities but I need to really sit down an write that up befoer it'll really make sense (interms of what needs doing and in what order)10:41
tonybWe started with the base assuption that "everything uses constrainst" but we can't saitisfy that10:41
tonybso between now and next week it's be good to find the low hanging fruit for projects that don't support constratins and either10:42
tonyba) add support or b) if adding support is compex (like oslo.messaging) open a bug tracking bug in the project and requirements so we can see our debt/backlog10:42
tonybcan y'all spare a few mintutes to do that?10:43
number80ack10:43
tonybIn parallel we can do some tox work to paper over the real probelm and/or some pip work to fix it10:43
coolsvapyeah https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-track-constraints-usage10:43
coolsvaplets use this to track so we do not end up tracking the same project10:44
tonybbut those last 2 things are big efforts10:44
tonybcoolsvap: good idea10:44
number80sure10:44
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tonybI'll do oslo.* tomorrow (starting with messaging)10:45
tonyb#action <all> deep dive into projects missing constraints support10:45
tonyb#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-track-constraints-usage10:45
tonyb#topic Open Discussion10:46
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tonyb14mins left ... anything to discuss?10:47
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tonybcoolsvap, toabctl, number80: recoverd from the travel?10:47
coolsvapnothing on my mind as this is my first working day after summit10:47
tonybcoolsvap: mine too10:47
coolsvapwe had the diwali holidays right after I came back10:47
coolsvaphad lot of fun with friend and family10:48
coolsvapstill coming out of it10:48
coolsvapone of the reasons i missed the ping for meeting ;-)10:48
number80well, I had fun with administration to replace my ID and few other cards I lost in Barcelona :)10:48
tonybcoolsvap: nice.  I've wanted to see that I've heard it's very spectacular10:48
tonybnumber80: Oh :(10:48
coolsvapnumber80: oh10:49
number80well, nothing important was lost or that can't be replaced :)10:49
coolsvaptonyb: yeah it is10:49
coolsvapnumber80: yes I can be sure about your yubikey10:49
coolsvapit was safe ;-)10:49
tonybcoolsvap: :)10:49
number80:)10:49
tonybWell I think we're done10:50
number80yep10:50
coolsvapyup10:50
tonyb#endmeeting10:50
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devkulkarni#startmeeting Solum Team Meeting14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Nov  2 14:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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devkulkarni#topic Roll Call14:00
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devkulkarniDev Kulkarni14:00
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devkulkarnihmm, looks like solum team members are still getting back from the summit..lets wait for another 5 minutes..14:16
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devkulkarnialright.. ending today's meeting14:35
devkulkarni#endmeeting14:35
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-11-02-14.00.html14:35
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jschwarz\o/15:00
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jschwarzhaleyb, no dvr meeting today?15:02
haleybhi there, i can do it15:02
jschwarzis it just us? no Swami?15:02
haleybjschwarz: i just don't know about swami, he might be offline figuring it was cancelled like the neutron meeting15:03
jschwarzhaleyb, I see15:03
jschwarzhaleyb, well I don't have much to report so unless there was something new this week...15:04
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haleybyeah, and i hadn't update the wiki15:06
haleybjschwarz: my only open issue is that race condition bug, and i have to respond to your comments15:06
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jschwarzhaleyb, you mean https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1635554 ?15:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1635554 in neutron "Delete Router / race condition" [High,Incomplete] - Assigned to John Schwarz (jschwarz)15:07
haleybno, hang on15:07
haleybhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/385617/15:07
haleybhttps://launchpad.net/bugs/163151315:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1631513 in neutron "DVR: Fix race conditions when trying to add default gateway for fip gateway port." [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley)15:08
jschwarzhaleyb, ah yes15:08
jschwarzfinally reached that part of my backlog of actually contributing to dvr reviews15:08
jschwarzin the process of reviewing the dvr fast exit patches15:08
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haleybjschwarz: so i'll respond to your comments15:10
jschwarzhaleyb, IRC hasn't made this advances yet - just imagine a "like" button being pressed by me right now ;-)15:10
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haleybjschwarz: that advance is called hipchat, that has emojis and i think there might be some weird button there :)15:12
jschwarzXD15:12
jschwarzhaleyb, how was your week besides?15:12
jschwarzwe still missed you at the summit15:12
haleybjschwarz: i worked on that patch and some other odds and dvr ends15:12
haleybi missed not being at the summit, i've made to all but 1 since diablo15:13
jschwarzaye, there were a few other missing people15:13
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jschwarzSwami also didn't show up (or I just didn't see him)15:13
jschwarzSean M. Collins, Kyle Mestery...15:14
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jschwarzwell, that was a fun meeting :)15:25
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haleybsorry, i saw a shiny object15:33
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mugsie#startmeeting Designate16:59
openstackMeeting started Wed Nov  2 16:59:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:59
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mugsie#topic Roll Call16:59
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mugsietimsim: Kiall_17:02
timsimo/17:02
mugsiei think Kiall may be AFK17:02
mugsietimsim: wanna skip ?17:02
timsimSure. I don't think we have much to discuss, just getting back and all.17:03
mugsie++17:03
mugsie#endmeeting17:03
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Nov  2 17:03:11 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)17:03
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timsimo/17:03
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-11-02-16.59.txt17:03
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mugsiesee ya in a week :)17:03
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amrith#startmeeting trove17:59
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amrithanyone here for the trove meeting?17:59
spillao/18:00
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amrithhello ... let's give folks a couple of minutes to come on in18:00
peterstaco/18:01
amrithhi folks18:01
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mvandijk./18:02
amrithlet's get going18:02
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amrithwe have a longish agenda18:02
amrith#agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting18:02
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amrith#topic Update CONTRIBUTING.rst18:02
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amrith(yes, I skipped the review status)18:03
amrithI'm updating the numbers in parallel and will get back to that.18:03
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SlickNiko/18:04
amrithhi SlickNik18:04
amrithso, one of the things from barcelona18:04
SlickNikhi folks — sorry running a bit late this morning18:04
amrithWe had a discussion in Barcelona and I've summarized that as a change to CONTRIBUTING.rst. See https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392194/18:04
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amrithno worries SlickNik; i'm still running on barcelona time :) and I'm wondering why there's no wine.18:05
amrithplease take a minute to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392194/18:05
amrithwe've for a long time now been operating loosely on these principles18:05
amrithbut several projects are (like us) feeling the need to be more explicit about this.18:06
amrithand I've proposed this language to contributing.rst as we discussed.18:06
amrithI think the text is rather straightforward.18:06
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amrithbut just in case anyone has concerns about it, let's discuss now.18:07
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peterstacWF+1'd, so I think we're good ;)18:08
amriththx peterstac18:08
SlickNikYes, it looks good to me — makes perfect sense.18:09
amrithstill, if there are concerns, we can always revisit.18:09
amrithso without further ado, ... let's move to the previous item on the agenda18:09
amrith#topic Review status18:09
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amrith#link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vJxNaoR3VVNS1Cpiz7U--1zyJRZ6ybMxzJoayrjdduo/edit?usp=sharing18:09
amrithit is clear that we've had a steep decline in the #reviews18:10
amrithand an increase in the number of outstanding change sets.18:10
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amrithwe will have to do a couple of things. first, I've got to make sure I update these numbers weekly (working on automating that). the second is that we've all got to pick up the pace on reviews.18:11
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amrithnothing new or interesting here but I think the next two topics on the agenda may help.18:11
amrithanyone have anything to add ...18:12
amrithhearing none ...18:12
amrith#topic Merge these changes as a priority18:12
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amrithOK, so this is one of two things that I'd like to start doing to help move things through in the areas that we have prioritized.18:13
amritheach week, let's have a short list of things that we want to focus reviews on.18:13
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amrithin keeping with the projects that we thought we should get in for the ocata release, these are some of the reviews that we need to merge. some of them may have merged already, others may be on the way to merging (have already been verified). but this here is a starting point ... does anyone have questions about any of these, and how do we want to g about merging these18:14
amrith1 and 2 are already merged18:15
amrith7 is merged18:15
amrith8 is in merge conflict ... vgnbkr see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38249318:15
amriththe rest are in need of reviews18:16
vgnbkrYeah, F'ing jenkins.18:16
amrithI updated the agenda18:17
amrithplease refresh your webpages18:17
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amriththe list now consists of the things that are in need of review (modulo the one that vgnbkr has merge conflicts on)18:17
SlickNikThe numbers correspond to the reviews here:18:18
SlickNik#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting18:18
amrithyes18:18
amrithnow the reviews outstanding are:18:18
amrithhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/38752818:18
amrithhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/38124118:18
amrithhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/37097118:18
amrithhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/29666718:18
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amrithhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/38249318:18
amrithhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/36233818:18
amrithhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/36234118:18
amrithhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/38810018:18
amrithand here is what each of those is ...18:19
amrith     387528 Change the way redstack figures the default network18:19
amrith    381241 Fix RPC Versioning18:19
amrith    370971 make trove-dashboard use upper-constraints18:19
amrith    296667 Replace obsolete oslo-incubator apiclient18:19
amrith    382493 Multi-Region Support (client side, server side has -1's not listed here)18:19
amrith    362338 Cluster Upgrade (server side)18:19
amrith    362341 Cluster Upgrade (client side)18:19
amrith    388100 Guest-agent metadata (spec, code already proposed)18:19
amrithWe are required to finish 296667 for Ocata (goal across projects)18:19
amriththe cluster upgrade and multi-region changes are things that we decided to do for Ocata (among other things)18:20
amrithRPC versioning is going to be more important moving forward as we have upgrade now supported and may soon want to start actually versioning some of the API's18:20
amrith387528 is needed when we get to neutron (in the gate)18:20
amriththough I just noticed that the description says redstack which is wrong18:20
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johnmafor 296667, have we addressed the issues Ronald referred to in changeset 1?18:21
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amrithjohnma, yes. I think they have to the best that we could18:22
johnmaok sounds good.18:22
amriththe common class approach that he refers to is something that must be done across projects and I've not seen anyone leap forward to do that.18:22
amrithmost people have taken the approach (an approach) similar to the one here.18:23
johnmaok18:23
amrithI think this is a stop-gap solution as we all think openstack client should be coming <cough><cough> soon18:23
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amrithany other thoughts on these ...18:25
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peterstacI'll see if I can take a look at it today ...18:27
amriththx peterstac18:27
SlickNikI should be able to review quite a few of them today as well.18:27
SlickNikThanks for coming up with the list — this is helpful.18:27
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amrithnp SlickNik18:28
amrithI'm going to star them18:28
amrithso it will pop up on the dashboard18:28
SlickNik++18:29
amrithdone18:29
SlickNikI've edited the page to use ordered lists  — makes them a bit easier to talk about.18:29
amrithcool thanks SlickNik18:30
amrithyes, much better to read18:30
amrithand for those who use the trove dashboard18:30
amrithhttps://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?foreach=status%253Aopen++%2528project%253Aopenstack%252Ftrove+OR+project%253Aopenstack%252Ftrove%252Dintegration+OR+project%253Aopenstack%252Ftrove%252Dspecs+OR+project%253Aopenstack%252Fpython%252Dtroveclient+OR+project%253Aopenstack%252Ftrove%252Ddashboard%2529&title=Trove+Review+Dashboard&My+Patches+Requiring+Attention=owner%253Aself+%2528label%253AVerified%253C%253D%2518:30
amrith2D1%252Cjenkins+OR+label%253ACode%252DReview%253C%253D%252D1+OR+label%253AWorkflow%253C%253D%252D1+OR+NOT+is%253Amergeable%2529+%2528project%253Aopenstack%252Ftrove+OR+project%253Aopenstack%252Ftrove%252Dintegration+OR+project%253Aopenstack%252Ftrove%252Dspecs+OR+project%253Aopenstack%252Fpython%252Dtroveclient+OR+project%253Aopenstack%252Ftrove%252Ddashboard%2529&Patches+waiting+longer+than+14+days=label%253AVeri18:30
amrithfied%253E%253D1%252Cjenkins+NOT+label%253AWorkflow%253C%253D%252D1+NOT+label%253ACode%252DReview%253C%253D%252D1+is%253Amergeable+age%253A14d&Patches+waiting+longer+than+7+days=label%253AVerified%253E%253D1%252Cjenkins+NOT+label%253AWorkflow%253C%253D%252D1+NOT+label%253ACode%252DReview%253C%253D%252D1+is%253Amergeable+age%253A7d+NOT+age%253A14d&Specs+requiring+review=project%253Aopenstack%252Ftrove%252Dspecs+NOT+18:30
amrithlabel%253AWorkflow%253C%253D%252D1++NOT+label%253AVerified%253C%253D%252D1%252Cjenkins+NOT+label%253ACode%252DReview%253C%253D%252D2&Trove%253A+Priority+code+reviews=%2528starredby%253Aamrith+OR+starredby%253Aself%2529+%2528project%253Aopenstack%252Ftrove+OR+project%253Aopenstack%252Ftrove%252Dintegration%2529+NOT+label%253AWorkflow%253C%253D%252D1+is%253Amergeable+NOT+label%253AVerified%253C%253D%252D1%252Cjenkin18:31
amriths+NOT+label%253ACode%252DReview%253C%253D%252D2&Trove+Client+and+Dashboard%253A+Priority+code+reviews=%2528starredby%253Aamrith+OR+starredby%253Aself%2529+%2528project%253Aopenstack%252Fpython%252Dtroveclient+OR+project%253Aopenstack%252Ftrove%252Ddashboard%2529+NOT+label%253AWorkflow%253C%253D%252D1+is%253Amergeable++NOT+label%253AVerified%253C%253D%252D1%252Cjenkins+NOT+label%253ACode%252DReview%253C%253D%252D2&18:31
amrithChanges+needing+Final+Approval=NOT+label%253AWorkflow%253E%253D1+NOT+label%253AWorkflow%253C%253D%252D1+label%253AVerified%253E%253D1%252Cjenkins+NOT+owner%253Aself+label%253ACode%252DReview%253E%253D2+NOT+label%253ACode%252DReview%252D1+is%253Amergeable&Changes+on+branches+other+than+master=NOT+branch%253Amaster&Needing+attention=%2528%2528%2528label%253AVerified%253C%253D%252D1%252Cjenkins%2529+NOT+label%253AWor18:31
amrithkflow%253C%253D%252D1+NOT+label%253ACode%252DReview%253C%253D%252D2%2529+OR+NOT+is%253Amergeable%252918:31
amrithwhat a nice link :)18:31
amriththere are two sections there18:31
amrithtrove priority code reviews and client and dashboard priority code reviews18:31
amrithI'll work through some of them as well today18:31
amrithhopefully we can get it done18:31
amrithso unless there are other comments about this, ...18:31
amrith#topic Abandon old reviews18:32
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amrithAs we discussed at the work session, one of the things I want to do is abandon a number of old reviews that have not seen any action in weeks. If you would like any of these to be retained, please either be at the meeting, or update the agenda below. We will likely NOT go through each one at the meeting so updating the review will not suffice.18:32
amrithHere's the list of reviews that I'm going to abandon18:32
amrith 384298 Update .gitignore to ignore .idea of PyCharm18:32
amrith356270 trove-integration should use zuul user18:32
amrith347800 Reduce code duplication18:32
amrith367626 Handle Keystone V3 in module-list18:32
amrith373670 Updated the path of config files18:32
amrith353906 remove tenant_id from the injected guest_info file18:32
amrith347398 Reduce code duplication18:32
amrith370971 make trove-dashboard use upper-constraints18:32
amrith373236 Fix py34 jenkins gate errors18:32
amrith364608 Show flavor name instead of ID in show_instance18:32
amrith365412 Fix is_root_enabled to return True/False18:33
amrith369124 [install-guide]add Nova inject_partition configuration18:33
amrith356701 Create net/subnet for alt_demo tenant18:33
amrith303671 Make timeouts datastore specific18:33
amrith362416 [WIP] Cluster Upgrade for PXC18:33
amrith358693 Trove user page doesn't show allowed hosts AND databases18:33
amrith322826 Convert DIB elements from Fedora to CentOS718:33
amrith288297 fix delete backup tenant_id error18:33
amrith315619 Superconductor Spec18:33
amrith348743 Add support for module ordering on apply18:33
amrith323590 Add support for Cassandra 2.2 and 3.x18:33
amrithnote that this list does NOT include #22 which trevormc clarified18:33
amrith#337914 is pending waiting for a change to merge in oslo.18:33
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amrithso, if there are no concerns about these reviews, I intend to make them go away after this meeting with a message that they've been abandoned per discussion at the Trove meeting 11/2/2016 or something short like that18:34
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mvandijkwait18:35
mvandijkyou sue this is a good idea?18:35
spillaShortened the link: https://goo.gl/ytwZYL :)18:35
mvandijkI see a number of them that aren't dead...18:35
mvandijkjust waiting for activity18:35
vgnbkr362416 is [WIP] because nobody is reviewing my other cluster upgrade changes.18:36
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amrithso how do we tell which is which?18:38
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amrithif you have reviews on the list that you'd like to not have abandoned, please update the list in the agenda with a note18:38
amrithand I won't abandon those.18:38
amrithor do you have a better solution to how we can get rid of the ones which are in fact dead, for all intents and purposes.18:39
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SlickNikMaybe we can put a note on the review this week. If folks reply to the note that they're still working on it, we keep the review. If there are no replies, we abandon the reviews next week.18:39
vgnbkrWell as a first step, don't abandon things that are WIP without talking to the person.  Afterall, they're WIP.18:40
amrithSlickNik, we talked about that some months ago and realized that putting that note in the review basically updated the review and it "appeared" active in the list :)18:40
amrithhence the idea was to not update the reviews and instead discuss them at the meeting. not saying that's the best solution, just what we talked about.18:40
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SlickNikheh, yeah — we'd have to keep track of the reviews separately (like links off of that Meeting wiki) so we know which ones we're tracking (since we won't be able to use updated time as a metric for stale reviews anymore).18:41
amrithvgnbkr, you are refering to 362416?18:42
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vgnbkrYes18:42
vgnbkrBut in general, too.18:42
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amrithI don't know about the "in general" part. see https://review.openstack.org/37323618:43
amrithwhat do you suggest?18:43
amriththe thing has been comatose for a while18:43
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vgnbkrSomebody review the other changes that it is waiting on?18:43
amrithyes, that's been the request all along. that people should review changes.18:44
amrithbut I'm asking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/373236/18:44
amrithwhat do you suggest? that we contact the submitter for this and each such thing with a WF-1?18:44
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amrithanyone have other ideas?18:47
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amrith.18:50
spillaI like the idea of having the submitter respond18:51
spillaBut am trying to think of a way without updating the review that'll get their attention18:51
SlickNikThe only other way I can think of is emailing them, but that has a different set of disadvantages.18:51
amrithmvandijk, which ones were you thinking were not really dead?18:52
mvandijkthe WIPs18:52
amrithlet's just take those off the list18:52
amrithjust take them off the list in the wiki18:52
amrithI took vgnbkr's off18:52
amrithI'm sure that there are plenty that aren't WIP18:52
mvandijkok, none of mine are on there so I can't really speak to the rest18:53
spillaCould we flag the the with like [TBA] (to ba abandoned) to the review title and if no response to the review for 7 days they are abandoned18:53
SlickNik++ amrith: Let's do that — I'll make a separate list for the WIP ones on that page. And I'll track them and put a note in them. If I don't hear back in a week, we can abandon them.18:54
amrithsounds good to me, let's just say we carry this list forward to the next meeting (1 week)18:54
johnmado we want to try and review them in the next week or so and then do the following:18:54
johnma1) if they are good, merge18:54
amrithand if they are still there we abandon them.18:54
johnma2) if it needs more work, update it accordingly with comments and then wait for activity/inactivity and then abandon at that point18:55
amrithwould that work?18:55
johnmaI think thats fair amrith18:55
SlickNikamrith: ++ I think that's fair18:55
amrithi'm fine with either johnma's proposal or SlickNik's proposal18:55
amrithto johnma's proposal, we have a challenge getting review bandwidth18:55
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amrithdo I *really* want to waste review bandwidth on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384298? no ...18:56
amrithnor 2, 3, 7, 9, ...18:56
amrithbut I'm fine with the approach18:56
amrithlet's pick one and move forward18:57
amrithwhat do people feel?18:57
johnmaof course, the ones in the ocata review list definitely gets priority. the rest they either sit there for another week or as we get time we review18:57
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amrithlike, I have this review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370971; it is on the list to abandon. do I want it abandoned? no. but it needs to be reviewed and that hasn't happened. so I don't want it to just sit there forever.18:58
amrithit should be a quick review18:58
amrithbut it hasn't happened ...18:58
amrithand my concern is that the important ones are being lost in the noise18:58
amrithanyway, we're 1m from #end of meeting18:58
amrithso let's wrap up18:58
amrithSlickNik, you'll make a list?18:58
* SlickNik SlickNik to make a candidate list of reviews to abandon and put a note in them. We can track this list and abandon all of the reviews that have no movement in them in a weeks time.18:59
amrithsounds good19:00
SlickNik#action SlickNik to make a candidate list of reviews to abandon and put a note in them. We can track this list and abandon all of the reviews that have no movement in them in a weeks time.19:00
amriththat's all we hav etime for today so let's call it a wrap19:00
amrithand if there's anything more to talk about move to #openstack-trove19:00
amrith#endmeeting19:00
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SlickNikThanks amrith!19:00
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amriththx SlickNik19:00
spillathanks!19:00
johnmathanks amrith19:02
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