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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 3 14:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Who's around? | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| _gryf | o/ | 14:00 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 14:00 |
| Yingxin | o/ | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
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| jaypipes | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | Let's wait another minute | 14:01 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs and reviews | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | Nothing on the agenda | 14:02 |
| edleafe | Anyone have something that needs special attention? | 14:02 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:03 |
| alex_xu | the traits API's spec and poc is ready | 14:03 |
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| cdent | just a remind about the existence of the aggregates reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362863/ | 14:03 |
| Yingxin | yup, traits | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362863/ | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: care to add a link to the start of those series? | 14:04 |
| Yingxin | start from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376198 | 14:04 |
| edleafe | thanks Yingxin | 14:04 |
| edleafe | Anything else? | 14:04 |
| Yingxin | and the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345138 | 14:04 |
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| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376198 | 14:05 |
| alex_xu | Yingxin: thanks | 14:05 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345138 | 14:05 |
| alex_xu | a little trouble with my browser.. | 14:05 |
| bauzas | I need to write the (hopefully) specless blueprint about the left usage of RequestSpec | 14:05 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: you can add them as #link entries so that people can find them in the meeting minuntes | 14:05 |
| edleafe | bauzas: ah, good - that leads us to... | 14:06 |
| edleafe | #topic Opens | 14:06 |
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| Yingxin | edleafe: ok sorry | 14:06 |
| edleafe | bauzas: care to summarize what's left? | 14:06 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: no worries | 14:06 |
| bauzas | edleafe: well, are you guys knowing how the RequestSpec object is used ? | 14:06 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: probably not as well as you | 14:07 |
| edleafe | :) | 14:07 |
| bauzas | I first wrote the implementation for creating a RequestSpec object in the conductor and passing it to the scheduler | 14:07 |
| bauzas | that was the first item | 14:07 |
| bauzas | then, alaski helped me to persist that object in DB so that we could use it for cells v2 needs | 14:07 |
| * alaski peeks in | 14:08 | |
| bauzas | then, I wrote a 3rd item where all the API move operations check whether the RequestSpec already exists, and if so, pass it to the conductor | 14:08 |
| bauzas | plus, I wrote a special DB migration for making sure that all the instances are now having a related RequestSpec object | 14:09 |
| bauzas | that means that now, either you boot and then you go to the conductor that writes a RequestSpec object and passes it to the scheduler | 14:09 |
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| bauzas | or, you do another API operation (resize, migrate, live-mig, etc.) and then you're getting it straight from the API | 14:10 |
| bauzas | buuuut | 14:10 |
| bauzas | there are a lot of things left to do | 14:10 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: short list of those remaining items would be useful. | 14:10 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: yeah, hence me saying I need to write a bp | 14:10 |
| bauzas | but edleafe wanted to know about :) | 14:11 |
| edleafe | So, here's my concern: bauzas is pretty much the only one working on this in enough detail to understand what needs to be changed, and what the effects will be | 14:11 |
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| edleafe | What I'd like to see is some knowledge distribution | 14:11 |
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| edleafe | Maybe have bauzas act as oversight, and have others do the work | 14:12 |
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| edleafe | The RequestSpec czar, if you will | 14:12 |
| bauzas | so, what's missing is basically to make sure our computes are getting our spec object instead of getting the legacy dicts, so that they could reschedule by passing back that object | 14:12 |
| edleafe | This way he's not the only one who migth feel confident enough to make updates to it in the future | 14:12 |
| bauzas | and then we could cleanup our RPC interfaces by removing all ugly request_spec/filter_props dictionaries and all our code conditionals where we test whether it's a dict or a nova object | 14:13 |
| edleafe | The same concern goes for cdent and the placement API/enginie | 14:13 |
| cdent | +1 | 14:13 |
| bauzas | that's it for me | 14:13 |
| bauzas | edleafe: the only problem I see with that is that I like coding too :p | 14:13 |
| edleafe | bauzas: fair enough :) | 14:14 |
| edleafe | bauzas: you can do _some_ of it | 14:14 |
| bauzas | but I could help with the placement series, like I promised :) | 14:14 |
| edleafe | but I'd feel better if more people understood it in depth | 14:14 |
| bauzas | either way, I think it's more a problem about how we can, as a team, share our work | 14:14 |
| edleafe | bauzas: 'zactly | 14:14 |
| bauzas | edleafe: but like I pointed to you, we're having very different backgrounds | 14:15 |
| bauzas | so, that's not trivial | 14:15 |
| edleafe | bauzas: That's true, but it seems like the technical debt problem | 14:15 |
| edleafe | Not enough time to address current debt, so it keeps increasing | 14:16 |
| dave-johnston | o/ | 14:16 |
| edleafe | Maybe since Ocata is a short cycle, this might be the best time to address it | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | I mean, sure that would be cool | 14:17 |
| edleafe | Anyone else have opinions on this one way or the other? | 14:17 |
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| cdent | Other than "pay more attention to tech debt and share workload more" are you proposing something more specific edleafe ? | 14:18 |
| cdent | because if it is mostly what I've quoted, then yeah, of course we should do that | 14:18 |
| edleafe | cdent: yes, something like http://blog.leafe.com/pair-development/ | 14:19 |
| cdent | yeah, as I've said before I'm pretty keen on that | 14:19 |
| _gryf | I agree, working together on certain topic is a better way for understanding code underneath than doing reviews only | 14:19 |
| edleafe | But of course there are other options that we should consider | 14:19 |
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| Yingxin | we can also work on a shift :) | 14:20 |
| edleafe | So maybe have bauzas write the BP, and then we can consider how to divide that up so as to spread the knowledge better? | 14:20 |
| bauzas | oh man, work for me :p | 14:21 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: yes, good point | 14:21 |
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| bauzas | (and not, work*s* for me :p ) | 14:21 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: but it does help to have enough timezone overlap for those times that a hangout or similar might be needed | 14:21 |
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| edleafe | Boss Bauzas :) | 14:22 |
| Yingxin | edleafe: yes, indeed | 14:22 |
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| edleafe | This is certainly something we can discuss at the summit, too. | 14:23 |
| edleafe | OK, let's move on | 14:23 |
| edleafe | Placement DB Spec | 14:23 |
| edleafe | cdent rpodolyaka and I are trying to hammer this one out | 14:23 |
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| cdent | gist is that Matt has asked that there be a spec for the optional placement db to avoid confusion | 14:23 |
| cdent | there's been some noodling at | 14:24 |
| cdent | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/placement-optional-db-spec | 14:24 |
| cdent | some of which includes "should we even bother" | 14:24 |
| rpodolyaka | ++ | 14:24 |
| edleafe | cdent: "Should we even bother? I mean, we're all going to die anyway" | 14:25 |
| edleafe | :) | 14:25 |
| rpodolyaka | I just went over the changes that actually made it to Newton and looks like "self healing" should migrate most of the things | 14:25 |
| rpodolyaka | *except for aggregates | 14:25 |
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| edleafe | rpodolyaka: and the initial db/table creation | 14:25 |
| cdent | rpodolyaka: it should, but it might stall adding new consumers for too long | 14:25 |
| rpodolyaka | edleafe: sure | 14:25 |
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| cdent | if I remember the concerns correctly | 14:25 |
| cdent | we probably need to inquire with dansmith | 14:26 |
| rpodolyaka | my understanding was that we report resources state on start in nova-compute and in a periodic task that is executed like every minute | 14:26 |
| edleafe | rpodolyaka: but does that account for allocations, too? | 14:26 |
| cdent | but in case people were wondering: we're trying to use this as an example of "working on stuff together" | 14:26 |
| bauzas | not sure I understand what the problem is | 14:26 |
| edleafe | cdent: yes, exactly | 14:27 |
| rpodolyaka | edleafe: it turns out we also create allocations based on instances usages. this is done in update_resources_...() in RT, so this should be covered as well | 14:27 |
| edleafe | rpodolyaka: ok, thanks. I need to dig into that code path deeper | 14:27 |
| rpodolyaka | yeah, I want to give it a try on devstack | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | so just looking at the etherpad, is this about the DB no longer being optional? or did I get that back to front? | 14:28 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: you got it right | 14:28 |
| bauzas | wait, what ? | 14:28 |
| cdent | this is still about it being optional | 14:28 |
| edleafe | optional in Ocata?? | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | but about the need for some stuff to be migrated if you want it to be separate? | 14:29 |
| cdent | but that in ocata the cost of that optional-ness is different than it would have been if we had managed to get it out in newton | 14:29 |
| bauzas | cdent: not sure I understand the same point | 14:29 |
| bauzas | cdent: I still think the placement DB should be optional | 14:29 |
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| cdent | bauzas: yes, that's the plan | 14:29 |
| bauzas | just that we need to consider what was written in the API DB could possibly be now written in a separate DB | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I think what I am saying, is I don't understand the problem that etherpad is trying to solve right now, I am missing context somewhere | 14:30 |
| cdent | but if people choose to use it, then there will need to be some kind of migration and what we're discussing (on the etherpad) is how much migration will be required and how to do it | 14:30 |
| edleafe | Hmmm, I thought that the optional in Newton was to smooth the transition to non-optional in Ocata | 14:30 |
| bauzas | edleafe: not at all | 14:30 |
| edleafe | that's disappointing | 14:30 |
| bauzas | edleafe: the point about that being optional is that we share the same schema | 14:30 |
| edleafe | So is there a plan for when it will be non-optional? | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | I thought optional was so you could avoid a nasty migrate, if you were willing to plan ahead, but yeah | 14:30 |
| cdent | johnthetubaguy: that's right, both edleafe and bauzus are a bit out of sync | 14:31 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: so operators wanting to use it heavily could have the benefit of a separate DB without getting the PITA for us to maintain a 3rd schema and all the tooling associated | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I guess some of the good news here, is we have hit the confusion already, so thats good news | 14:32 |
| bauzas | cdent: specs are good for clarifying the intent, I would say :) | 14:32 |
| edleafe | I get the 'same schema' concept | 14:32 |
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| cdent | johnthetubaguy: the reason I've suggested that perhaps we shouldn't even bother with the optional database is now that a migration of some kind is going to be required anyway, may as well just wait and do a big one when placement is extracted, if it ever is | 14:33 |
| edleafe | But I'm still wondering if the plan is to always have an option to keep it in the API DB | 14:33 |
| cdent | edleafe: that's kind of the flip side of what I just said | 14:33 |
| edleafe | cdent: the "if it ever is" part? | 14:34 |
| bauzas | edleafe: cdent: the migration we're talking about are about inventories, right ? | 14:34 |
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| edleafe | inventories, allocations, and aggregates | 14:34 |
| bauzas | because allocations are written using the periodic update or within claims, so that's not really an issue | 14:34 |
| bauzas | aggregates aren't a thing yet | 14:35 |
| cdent | edleafe: as in: what's the actual goal here, where will the boundary lie, how permeable will it be? will it ever migration? will there always be an option to stay in api db, etc. | 14:35 |
| bauzas | so that leaves inventories and allocations | 14:35 |
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| bauzas | plus the fact that nobody is actually calculating the resource usage | 14:35 |
| bauzas | (yet) | 14:35 |
| cdent | I'd like to think that we could hash this out on the etherpad and in email in a more...considered... fashion because we're pretty much just throwing words at one another right now and not really making any sense | 14:36 |
| bauzas | we rushed in Newton because we wanted our Newton computes to be able to send allocations and inventories | 14:36 |
| edleafe | cdent: My understanding was that the separation will happen, with the question being when | 14:36 |
| cdent | In large part because we don't actually have consensus on the goals. Making a spec without a big picture goal is _useless_ | 14:36 |
| cdent | edleafe: me too, but bauzas apparently disagrees | 14:36 |
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| edleafe | The rush to get stuff in newton was specifically so that the change in Ocata would be possible | 14:37 |
| * jaypipes reading back, sorry had emergency call | 14:37 | |
| edleafe | Otherwise, we'd have to wait until Pike to do it | 14:37 |
| edleafe | Let's timebox this until 14:45 because we have other items on the agenda we need to get to | 14:38 |
| cdent | yes please | 14:38 |
| edleafe | We can always continue on -nova | 14:38 |
| * edleafe is waiting for jaypipes to catch up | 14:39 | |
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| edleafe | Well, let's cover the other stuff. We can circle back to jaypipes after | 14:40 |
| edleafe | Placement leftovers: | 14:40 |
| edleafe | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/104900.html | 14:40 |
| edleafe | cdent? | 14:41 |
| cdent | thanks, I simply wanted to draw people's attention to that email | 14:41 |
| cdent | that's a list of things I thought of that are lose ends on the placement work already done | 14:41 |
| cdent | stuff that we should let slip away lest we create more cruft and debt | 14:41 |
| cdent | shouldn't! | 14:41 |
| cdent | :) | 14:41 |
| edleafe | Freudian slip there | 14:42 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: what are you talking about with "nobody is calculating the resourc eusage yet"? | 14:42 |
| cdent | As I say in the message I'd like feedback on what matters, and people who want to work on it with me and others. | 14:42 |
| edleafe | #action Everyone read cdent's email at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/104900.html and provide feedback | 14:42 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I mean that we're not using the placement API yet for doing our filtering | 14:42 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: ah. | 14:43 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: yes | 14:43 |
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| bauzas | ie. we don't have a client actually consuming those placement information | 14:43 |
| bauzas | we have clients that provide resource information | 14:43 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: well, we do. the scheduler reporting client is consuming the allocation and inventory information. | 14:43 |
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| bauzas | that's correct | 14:43 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: okay, I think it's gonna be tough discussing it there, I would suggest to draw something out later either way | 14:44 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: k | 14:45 |
| bauzas | I'm just not super convinced that we should make it non-optional if we share the same models | 14:45 |
| bauzas | and providing a separate model for placement seems an hard call for Ocata given the shorter cycle | 14:45 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: the optional-ness of the placement DB was more about the tooling around db sync and migrations, no? It wasn't about whether we wanted a separate placement DB... | 14:45 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: is ^ your recollection? | 14:46 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I agree | 14:46 |
| bauzas | hence me wanting to stick with the plan | 14:46 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: that was my understanding, too | 14:46 |
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| cdent | bauzas: can you restate what you agree with please? | 14:46 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I guess I need a refresher on the specifics of the current plan, then. Ill go read that etherpad. | 14:46 |
| dansmith | bauzas: yeah, I don't want them to be forced to have another db until it's actually split, but we should provide all the machinery to make it possible | 14:47 |
| dansmith | er, jaypipes ^ | 14:47 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: yes, totes. but the defintion of "all the machinery" needs to be specified. | 14:47 |
| cdent | I wonder if confusion is from the etherpad point out that placement _api_ is non optional, which is not the same as placement _db_ being optional or not | 14:47 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: agreed | 14:47 |
| cdent | there's code here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362766/ it already works | 14:48 |
| cdent | (in local devstacks) | 14:48 |
| cdent | we stalled that code for newton because we didn't want to add to the confusion | 14:48 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: for instance, do we want to provide machinery to do a migrate/sync on a separate placement DB connection, or do we continue the strategy from Newton of "if you're a big provider and want to proactively do X, then run these commands..." | 14:48 |
| edleafe | cdent: my confusion came from the changes between Austin and the midcycle, where the DB strategy seemed to change. I thought the resolution was to make it temporary short-term, and mandatory after that | 14:49 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: I thought you were going to just write a script for people that wanted to? | 14:49 |
| edleafe | cdent: I don't recall always being optional as, well, an option | 14:49 |
| * bauzas needs to drop-off for doing some homework to my elder | 14:50 | |
| edleafe | ok, thanks bauzas | 14:50 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: that would certainly be fine. just need to write down that that is indeed our strategy/plan for Ocata. | 14:50 |
| dansmith | cool | 14:50 |
| cdent | Can jaypipes, dansmith and bauzas hash out what the end game is, on that etherpad so we don't lose the details? | 14:51 |
| edleafe | Yeah, I get the feeling that decisions are being made and not spread publicly very well | 14:51 |
| jaypipes | cdent: yep | 14:51 |
| cdent | awesome thanks jaypipes | 14:51 |
| edleafe | yes, let's move on now | 14:51 |
| edleafe | Next up are 2 cold migration specs from takashin: | 14:51 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334286/ | 14:51 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334725/ | 14:51 |
| takashin | Could you review them? | 14:51 |
| edleafe | takashin: do you have any comments about them? | 14:51 |
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| takashin | They are about cold migration. | 14:52 |
| edleafe | takashin: ok, thanks. I just wanted to make sure that you didn't have any extra concerns about them | 14:53 |
| takashin | they are my specs. | 14:53 |
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| edleafe | ok, thanks | 14:54 |
| edleafe | Anything else for opens? | 14:54 |
| alex_xu | jaypipes: edleafe so let us hangout for traits API after the meeting? | 14:54 |
| edleafe | I'm free | 14:55 |
| edleafe | jaypipes? | 14:55 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: cool, thanks | 14:55 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: let's wait until jaypipes is available. I know it's pretty late for you | 14:56 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: yeah | 14:56 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: we'll continue in -nova | 14:57 |
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| cdent | alex_xu, edleafe If you guys can keep me informed on when that is, I'll try to make it | 14:57 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: yea, cool | 14:57 |
| alex_xu | cdent: ok, got it | 14:57 |
| edleafe | cdent: it was supposed to be now | 14:57 |
| edleafe | but with no jaypipes it might have to wait | 14:57 |
| dave-johnston | ] | 14:57 |
| edleafe | Anyway, let's continue in -nova | 14:57 |
| * cdent nods | 14:57 | |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 3 14:57:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-10-03-14.00.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-10-03-14.00.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-10-03-14.00.log.html | 14:57 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:58 |
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| johndperkins | o/ | 14:59 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 3 15:00:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| ihrachys | howdy | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:00 |
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| korzen | hello | 15:00 |
| asingh_ | hello | 15:00 |
| electrocucaracha | o/ | 15:00 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:00 |
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| ihrachys | I don't have specific announcements for today. everything is business as usual. | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:01 |
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| dasanind_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: around? | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: remember you wanted to look at linuxbridge multinode grenade job? | 15:02 |
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| blogan | o/ | 15:02 |
| sshank | Hello. | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | ok I guess jschwarz is not around. | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | I will pull him in for the next meeting. | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | so far, I don't think there is any visible progress on that job, but we'll revive the effort in due course. moving on. | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | a significant number of patches moving models landed lately. | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | there are more in the queue | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | we will land them in next weeks. | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | do we have all of them or just a subset though? the list does not seem complete, but I may be wrong. | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | I mean: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bug/1597913 | 15:04 |
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| blogan | is there a master list of modelst aht need to be moved? | 15:05 |
| blogan | sorry for poor typing | 15:05 |
| electrocucaracha | blogan: this one -> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FeeQlQITsZSj_wpOXiLbS36dirb_arX0XEWBdFVPMB8/edit#gid=1434170112 | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | blogan: well the easiest thing is looking into head.py file that lists all files that contain a model. | 15:05 |
| sindhu | hi | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | blogan: the more we land those moving patches, the shorter the list | 15:06 |
| electrocucaracha | I just considered the models which share file with mixins | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | blogan: because everything from neutron.db.models is imported by the virtue of magic | 15:06 |
| blogan | ah so most, if not all, models need to be moved? | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | blogan: those other are not strictly needed. | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | blogan: we could probably go and complete that consistency? | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: so you say, the list on review is complete? | 15:07 |
| blogan | ihrachys: yeah | 15:07 |
| manjeets | o/ | 15:07 |
| electrocucaracha | yes, I've been trying to keep it healthy | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: ok, that's good to hear. with that, we will divert our review attention to objects themselves. thanks to those who already review those, I see activity there. | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | and obviously, adoption patches are needed, if not up for review. | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | I like the approach taken by some to land smaller adoption bits where it's easily decoupled. | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | like 'adopt in tests' and such. | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | especially for those objects that are hard to adopt | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | the lesser the bits, the harder to break anything and easier to land. | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db | 15:10 |
| korzen | good to hear is that Port and Network object landed | 15:10 |
| korzen | tey had 9+ months | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | oh right, did that happen the previous week? I lost that in churn around release :) | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | yeah, those were hard. there is still work to do there I believe, but we will proceed iteratively on them from now on | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | and they should not block other smaller relevant bits in the queue anymore | 15:11 |
| korzen | ihrachys, is kevinbenton trying to start the push-notification effort? | 15:12 |
| korzen | having port and network | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | korzen: I haven't seen any patches. kevinbenton as well as some other folks were consumed by release stuff lately. | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: I assume the work will revive in next month. | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I think we wanted to respin https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352577/ but I see it hasn't happened. do we have an issue with it? | 15:13 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: no really, I was expecting that ankur make the changes | 15:14 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: but I can contact him later | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: ok not critical, just checking | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | ok, so expect more reviews for actual objects in next weeks. | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | moving on | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | (this meeting will be the shortest ever) | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | #topic Other patches on review | 15:16 |
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| asingh_ | ihrachys https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377114/ | 15:17 |
| asingh_ | can you please review this one ? | 15:17 |
| manjeets | ihrachys, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353088/ (just for bookmark I'll resolve conflict riht after this meeting) | 15:17 |
| dasanind_ | ihrachys: Last week we talked about this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367810/. Did you get a chance to look at it? | 15:18 |
| manjeets | quotas ovo (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338625/) | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | asingh_: I will, yes. on first sight, what blogan says makes sense. objects are not supposed to communicate with db level entities (queries, db models) except in a limited set of cases. | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | dasanind_: sadly no. it may take time. now that we have blogan on board with reviews, it should go smoother. ;) | 15:19 |
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| manjeets | and long standing one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334695/ | 15:20 |
| manjeets | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369744/ | 15:20 |
| dasanind_ | ihrachys: will wait for your review :) | 15:20 |
| brianstajkowski1 | does this mean blogan can +2 these patches? :) | 15:20 |
| blogan | brianstajkowski1: no!! i do not feel comfortable at all! | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | brianstajkowski1: at least it means that there will be more people to put -1 now ;) | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | now, I guess you are all happy about it :) | 15:21 |
| blogan | everyone likes getting -1s! | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: that one, I believe, should be rebased? and you planned to split? anything changed? | 15:21 |
| manjeets | from last bits of subnet https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377112/ | 15:21 |
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| manjeets | yea I can do both ways either this way or split, I guess to be make it less conflictive spliting would be a better idea | 15:22 |
| korzen | subnet ovo integration patch is still failing due to detached db_obj, so no progress there | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: yeah, the lesser the bits the easier to get it merged. | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: note f.e. that Ann or Henry are happy to land model moves but maybe not objects. | 15:23 |
| manjeets | ok I'll split by EOD | 15:23 |
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| manjeets | ihrachys, I noticed that from reviews | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | I want to optimize my involvement in the effort, particularly spend a tad more time on reviews, so I got rid of some project roles lately, hopefully it will add velocity. | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | just fyi | 15:26 |
| manjeets | ihrachys, indeed it will fast the pace | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | anything else to share? | 15:26 |
| sshank | clarification, for getting context, we need to pass it from calling methods rather than importing right? | 15:26 |
| manjeets | ihrachys, I have one not specifically upgrades | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: if it's not upgrades it's not the venue :) | 15:26 |
| manjeets | ok i'll ask on neutron channel | 15:27 |
| manjeets | np | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | sshank: context is passed to us from api layer I believe, so it's then up to us to stick to its constraints. | 15:27 |
| electrocucaracha | ideally, this week will have all the relocation patches merged right? | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | sshank: meaning, you probably can't reconstruct it from inside the plugin | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | blogan: do I make sense re context building? | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: ideal doesn't happen. never. but yea. | 15:28 |
| blogan | ihrachys: yes, but sometimes the original code is importing context and getting admin context, in which case i dont see why we'd change that | 15:28 |
| blogan | probably woudln't even be able to get the api context | 15:28 |
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| manjeets | we change definition ideal all the times .... electrocucaracha | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | yeah, in those limited cases we may decide that admin context is the right one (e.g. if later we apply tenant based filtering on our own) but in general case, we are supposed to stick to whatever is passed to us from api layer. | 15:29 |
| blogan | ihrachys: agreed | 15:29 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, I've seen that armax has posted a Barcelona session ideas, are you planning to add upgrades on the list? | 15:29 |
| manjeets | korzen, +1 | 15:30 |
| electrocucaracha | +1 | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | korzen: do we have anything to discuss in the room full of people? | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | korzen: I mean, looks like we have a lot of work to just act on ready decisions | 15:30 |
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| korzen | no API downtime ideas, stopping contracting migration during Ocata cycle | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | and I am still due to post a detailed description of upgrade process, but that could be in scope of a spec. | 15:31 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, +1 | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: define what you are +1ing :) | 15:32 |
| korzen | in my opinion we should repeat what has been told in mid-cycle | 15:32 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, spec | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: and as for summit plans?.. | 15:32 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, I don't think we need a session | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | korzen: what would be the goal of such a session? | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | korzen: raising awareness? seeking for comments on a proposal? | 15:33 |
| korzen | inform operators | 15:33 |
| korzen | yes | 15:33 |
| korzen | maybe it wont take a whole session | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | well it seems like we don't have much to *inform* them about. I mean, we have not delivered. | 15:34 |
| blogan | that sounds more like a main summit presentation on neutron upgrades | 15:34 |
| korzen | but at least it should be mentioned somewhere | 15:34 |
| blogan | once its finished | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | blogan: right. would be cool to deliver AND have a presentation on the fact :) | 15:34 |
| rossella_s | :) | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | korzen: ok, maybe I should sync with HenryG on his db related plans for the summit | 15:35 |
| korzen | ok, as long as we deliver it, I'm fine with it | 15:35 |
| electrocucaracha | I know that we're not measuring the performance impact about implementing OVO but AFAIK osic-qa will do | 15:35 |
| electrocucaracha | just a fyi | 15:35 |
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| manjeets | we can plan testing right after it is implemented | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: cool. I think we also have some efforts around RDO scheduled for this cycle that should help to track it too | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: electrocucaracha: we are looking more into continuous perf impact validation | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | with trends per patch and such | 15:36 |
| korzen | we should put attention on new features that are delivered in Ocata to have OVO as DB access | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | korzen: right. the last cycle it did not work in some cases. | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | korzen: though vlan-aware-vms was notably objectified :) | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | so it's mixed, not a total disaster in this regard. | 15:37 |
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| korzen | I have spotted for example SubnetServiceType feature that was deliced 'old-style' | 15:37 |
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| korzen | yes, I'm happy seeing the VLAN-aware to ne OVO'ed | 15:37 |
| korzen | s/ne/be/ | 15:37 |
| korzen | s/deliced/delivered | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | :) | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | now I decoded it | 15:38 |
| korzen | ;) | 15:39 |
| blogan | SubnetServiceType had lice? | 15:39 |
| blogan | :0 | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | that's what you get when you don't OVO | 15:39 |
| korzen | I had OVOed it :) | 15:39 |
| korzen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/375536/ | 15:39 |
| electrocucaracha | korzen: I noticed :P | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | korzen: mmm nice | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | that's quite small, should be easy to land :) | 15:40 |
| korzen | dasm has -1, but do not bother | 15:41 |
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| ihrachys | ok, so tl;dr from summit discussion: I will talk to HenryG about database related sessions and how to raise upgrade topics there. in the meantime, you can propose your ideas in the etherpad. | 15:41 |
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| ihrachys | ok cool to see you all, I start feeling we add steam to relevant reviews lately, we should be able to land more in next weeks. | 15:43 |
| * ihrachys calls it a day | 15:43 | |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 3 15:43:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:43 |
| electrocucaracha | thanks | 15:43 |
| korzen | bye | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-10-03-15.00.html | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-10-03-15.00.txt | 15:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-10-03-15.00.log.html | 15:43 |
| manjeets | thanks bye | 15:43 |
| blogan | adios! | 15:43 |
| dasanind_ | thank you | 15:43 |
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| sindhu | bye | 15:43 |
| sshank | Thank you. | 15:43 |
| ndahiwade | thanks | 15:43 |
| asingh_ | thank you | 15:43 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 3 16:00:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | hola | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | good day | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero, haypo | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ihrachys, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for lifeless, lintan, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | hi hi | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | yo! | 16:00 |
| gcb | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | yo | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | yoooyo | 16:00 |
| bnemec | o/ | 16:00 |
| osh | \o | 16:00 |
| ansmith | o/ | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | harlowja_at_home: we will need to update the script, HenryG is neutron's new liaison | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | i miss yo yo the drink (is that stuff still around) | 16:00 |
| stevemar | is this an hour later than normal? | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | ihrachys, https://github.com/openstack/oslo.tools/blob/master/ping_me.py | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | will do | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | stevemar, i don't think so, don't think DST or whatever switched yet | 16:01 |
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| stevemar | harlowja_at_home: hmm, my brain must be fried then | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | mine to | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | alright, let's get started | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:02 | |
| bknudson | I'm around but distracted | 16:02 |
| * harlowja_at_home not expecting much, but just incase | 16:03 | |
| johnsom | Nothing to report here | 16:03 |
| bknudson | Nothing for keystone that I know of. | 16:03 |
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| osh | nothing from murano | 16:03 |
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| harlowja_at_home | everyones newton release looking ok? | 16:03 |
| bknudson | Looks like nova was having an issue mocking timeouts in oslo.db? | 16:03 |
| johnsom | We released Octavia 0.9.0 on the 27th | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, hmmm | 16:04 |
| rpodolyaka | bknudson: I missed this one, do you have a link or something? | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll poke zzzeeek later (he might have context) | 16:04 |
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| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318135/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/380481/ | 16:04 |
| rpodolyaka | ah, thanks! | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | interesting | 16:05 |
| bknudson | seems like oslo.db should provide a fixture to support testing. | 16:05 |
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| bknudson | Since I assume it's actually oslo.db calling sleep and not nova. | 16:05 |
| bknudson | but I didn't have time to look at it myself, so thought I'd bring it up here. | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | right, something along those lines might be useful | 16:06 |
| rpodolyaka | I'll take a look, thanks for pointing this out! | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Ocata releases | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata releases (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:07 | |
| harlowja_at_home | i know amrith wanted to talk about ocata releases | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | so just wanted to see if dhellmann is around | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | so that we can all be cleared up on when the ability to release is activated | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, hey, for ocata some folks getting more antsy about new oslo releases | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | mondy | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | monday | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | not today i assuem :) | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | *assume | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | no, next week :-) | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | makes sense to me, just wanted to get clarification, thx dhellmann :) | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Specs week/days | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs week/days (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:09 | |
| harlowja_at_home | so gcb emailed out http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/104575.html | 16:10 |
| * harlowja_at_home let's people look at that :) | 16:10 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | if folks can also filter around https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-oslo-ideas that'd be super also | 16:10 |
| gcb | we can review specs this week :-) | 16:10 |
| * amrith sorry I'm late | 16:10 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | amrith, np | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | gcb, yup, this week is fine with me also | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | or even say a couple days at the end of this week :) | 16:11 |
| amrith | harlowja_at_home, whenever you are ok, I'd like to ask my question :) you know the question | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | for liasons, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-oslo-ideas (send it around) | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, think i answered it ;) | 16:11 |
| amrith | and if the answer is unchanged, I'll shut up | 16:11 |
| amrith | ok | 16:11 |
| amrith | asked and answered. | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | next monday from dhellmann :-P | 16:11 |
| amrith | perfect | 16:11 |
| amrith | thanks | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | np | 16:11 |
| amrith | will relay to trevormc | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-oslo-ideas also, releay it around | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:12 |
| amrith | ok | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | gcb, i'll reply to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/104575.html later today, how about thurs/fri this week? | 16:12 |
| gcb | harlowja_at_home works for me | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:13 |
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| harlowja_at_home | if others are interested in learning about oslo, reviewing, and so forth, please reply (or just join) to :) | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | we don't bite (that much) | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:13 |
| amrith | oh, that's new | 16:14 |
| amrith | is that an ocata feature (not biting)? | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | not unless u list it on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-oslo-ideas | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:14 |
| amrith | touche | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic New cores | 16:15 |
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| harlowja_at_home | just fyi i'll be sending out a couple of new core emails, that if people can look over that'd be great | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | for a few folks that have been helping out with the review load :) | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx to dims for poking me to get these out :) | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | so look out for those a little bit later today (with new secret people!) | 16:16 |
| gcb | welcome new guys to make oslo better :-) | 16:17 |
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| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:17 |
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| harlowja_at_home | time to activate my super awesome https://github.com/openstack/oslo.tools/blob/master/new_core.py lol | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | (funny the weird kind of programs that i wrote before) | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:17 |
| ozamiatin | all things automated :) lol | 16:18 |
| gcb | lol | 16:18 |
| johnsom | go, go, core gadget | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-P | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | next up, replace harlowja with a script | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:19 |
| * johnsom Thinks he should borrow that | 16:19 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | https://github.com/openstack/oslo.tools/blob/master/new_core_recruit.py#L37 is an even weirder one, lol | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | haha | 16:20 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Reviews needing review | 16:20 |
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| harlowja_at_home | any reviews (specs, code, other) that people want to bring up? | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | bring your reviews, any reviews | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | 2 for 1 | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | 3 for 1 | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | ? | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Ocata summit planning | 16:23 |
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| harlowja_at_home | just another reminder for folks :) | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-oslo-summit-planning | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | please write down anything there, soonish i'll have to slot things :) | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | (like in the next couple of weeks) | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | (not like by tommorow) | 16:24 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:27 |
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| harlowja_at_home | alright, getting quiet in here, anything else from folks???? :) | 16:27 |
| gcb | live_from_olso , Should we prepare the PPT for the panel session ? | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | yes yes | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | thxs for reminding | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | do u know who had the template from the last time around? | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | maybe we can use that as our source | 16:28 |
| gcb | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-live-from-oslo , | 16:28 |
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| harlowja_at_home | right | 16:29 |
| gcb | Does dims know this ? | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | i am guessing yes | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, yt, do u have the PPT/slide deck template from the last live from oslo | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | saves a little work if we can just re-use it | 16:29 |
| gcb | As I can recall , different guys use different PPT/PDF in last summit | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:29 |
| gcb | we can use one this time :-) | 16:30 |
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| harlowja_at_home | def | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | i used to have an openstack template, let me see if i can find that, might be a better one now-adays | 16:31 |
| gcb | cool , and add our company logos, our bosses will be happy :-) haha | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | kk, i'll work on getting a template going | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | might have to find it | 16:32 |
| bknudson | try using reveal.js | 16:32 |
| bknudson | better than ppt. | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:33 |
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| harlowja_at_home | let's see if i can email the marketing folks to get a template that we can use | 16:34 |
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| gcb | bknudson , is it http://lab.hakim.se/reveal-js/#/ ? | 16:34 |
| bknudson | gcb: yes, that's it. | 16:35 |
| bknudson | it's just html and javascript. | 16:35 |
| bknudson | don't need another application just for a presentation | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | sounds pretty hi-tech | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:35 |
| gcb | will try that in my daily wok, thanks | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | anyways ++ to getting started on that sooner rather than later :) | 16:36 |
| bknudson | you can check the source into git | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | feel free to jot down stuff in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-live-from-oslo | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx gcb for bringing that up :) | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | anything else from folks??? | 16:39 |
| gcb | nothing from me , boss lol | 16:39 |
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| harlowja_still_a | and i just got dropped from freenode | 16:41 |
| harlowja_still_a | lol | 16:41 |
| harlowja_still_a | anyways, thanks for coming folks :) | 16:41 |
| harlowja_still_a | (hope i didn't cut anyone off) | 16:41 |
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| rluethi | hi julen | 18:01 |
| julen | hi rluethi | 18:01 |
| rluethi | would you like to chair today? | 18:02 |
| julen | sure | 18:02 |
| rluethi | then go ahead, startmeeting | 18:02 |
| rluethi | https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot | 18:02 |
| julen | #startmeeting training-labs | 18:03 |
| openstack | julen: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 18:03 |
| julen | #endmeeting | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 3 18:03:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-10-03-16.00.html | 18:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-10-03-16.00.txt | 18:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-10-03-16.00.log.html | 18:03 |
| julen | #startmeeting training-labs | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 3 18:03:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is julen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-labs)" | 18:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_labs' | 18:03 |
| rluethi | well done :) | 18:03 |
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| rluethi | set a topic. | 18:04 |
| julen | I just tried to take a look to the test_horizon, but I forgot to use the last version | 18:04 |
| julen | #topic test_horizon | 18:04 |
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| julen | what was the error? | 18:04 |
| rluethi | it returns with status 8. | 18:05 |
| rluethi | I looked into it real quick, it says something about POST not being allowed. | 18:05 |
| julen | and with which version did you try it? | 18:05 |
| rluethi | using horizon manually (browser) seems to work, though. | 18:05 |
| rluethi | version of what? | 18:06 |
| julen | training-labs | 18:06 |
| rluethi | it's not a version of training-labs as such, it's a changeset: | 18:06 |
| rluethi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/380852/ | 18:06 |
| julen | aha.. I'll try with that one | 18:07 |
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| rluethi | I suspect the test script needs an update, but it wasn't obvious to me what it is. | 18:08 |
| julen | sure, I'll try to get the error and I can probably make some quick fix | 18:09 |
| rluethi | maybe your script could be a little bit more verbose and tell the user what exactly it is doing. | 18:09 |
| rluethi | excellent. | 18:09 |
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| julen | I'll look into that too | 18:09 |
| julen | I wrote comments on the script, but maybe not so many echo-es | 18:09 |
| julen | any news about pranav? | 18:10 |
| rluethi | you can turn many comments into echos. | 18:10 |
| rluethi | I thought he was going to be here, but apparently he's busy. | 18:10 |
| julen | today is holiday here in Germany | 18:10 |
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| rluethi | he did quite a bit of merging today and posted a couple of patches, as you know. | 18:10 |
| rluethi | really? | 18:10 |
| rluethi | I did not know that. | 18:11 |
| julen | I had the feeling of "Sunday" the whole day, good that I kept thinking about the meeting... :P | 18:11 |
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| julen | he submitted the patch of the 14.04.5 twice, is that a duplicate? | 18:11 |
| rluethi | no, one is a backport for another branch. | 18:12 |
| rluethi | one for master (newton), one for mitaka. | 18:12 |
| julen | aha... it has a "-1", but it was exactly the same as the other patch, so I approved both | 18:12 |
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| julen | #topic rst2bash | 18:13 |
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| julen | did you have time to try it? | 18:14 |
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| rluethi | not recently. | 18:15 |
| rluethi | but I just looked at the 14.04.5 patch. It cannot be merged. | 18:15 |
| julen | why not? the link looks right... | 18:16 |
| rluethi | See my comment. | 18:17 |
| rluethi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/380984/1 | 18:17 |
| julen | there should be a way to download always the latest version automatically... | 18:18 |
| rluethi | that is what the function does. | 18:19 |
| rluethi | well, it assumes there is only one version on the server which has been true so far. | 18:19 |
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| rluethi | obviously, there is room for improvement :). but it worked for the last few updates. | 18:20 |
| julen | oh... I see | 18:20 |
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| rluethi | I don't necessarily want to download the latest version. | 18:20 |
| rluethi | I would rather go with the version that I know works. | 18:21 |
| julen | yes.. that's safer | 18:21 |
| rluethi | But Canonical removed the old image as soon as the new one was up, so we kept having scripts that failed to find the ISO image. | 18:21 |
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| rluethi | That's the reason for the special update function. | 18:21 |
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| dguitarbite | hello | 18:22 |
| julen | hi dguitarbite! | 18:22 |
| dguitarbite | Sorry for being late, holiday today, still in holiday mode :| | 18:22 |
| rluethi | hi dguitarbite | 18:22 |
| dguitarbite | hello rluethi julen :) | 18:22 |
| julen | we were talking about the 14.04.5 patch | 18:22 |
| dguitarbite | let me scroll through the logs | 18:23 |
| rluethi | you botched the ubuntu update patch. bad pranav. no cookies for you. | 18:23 |
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| dguitarbite | botched? | 18:25 |
| dguitarbite | ;) | 18:25 |
| rluethi | yup. it borked the update function. | 18:25 |
| julen | anything to say dguitarbite? | 18:26 |
| dguitarbite | Ahh, I remembered the update function but it was still downloading the older image. | 18:26 |
| dguitarbite | Additionally there is an issue with the MD5 grepper, it assumes the position of the MD5SUM | 18:26 |
| dguitarbite | So before the ubuntu guys take down the older image, I thought it would be nicer to update the version. | 18:27 |
| rluethi | can you explain "it assumes the position of the MD5SUM" | 18:27 |
| dguitarbite | I did test the version and it seems to be running fine although I agree I should have been more vigilant on the regressions I am causing. | 18:27 |
| dguitarbite | The grepping logic assumes the image and the md5sum is the second entry in the list. | 18:27 |
| rluethi | why would you say that? | 18:28 |
| dguitarbite | I have another patch in my mind to have default fallback to 1[4,6].0[4.10] in case grepping is not functional | 18:28 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: I could have mis-understood the code (BASH!!!) | 18:29 |
| rluethi | yeah. but there is a problem with the code. it assumes that there is only one matching line. | 18:29 |
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| rluethi | which was true until this time. | 18:29 |
| julen | hmm... doesn't it just grep the ISO name from the MD5SUMS file? this seems to be one of the very few things working in bomsi :P | 18:29 |
| dguitarbite | Yes | 18:29 |
| rluethi | now they left the old image there. | 18:30 |
| rluethi | just add a "| tail -n1" after the grep and it should work. | 18:30 |
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| dguitarbite | Yes, that is the issue not the grep the tail -n1. | 18:31 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Let me fix it the right way, good news at-the-very-worst is that 14.04.5 works :) | 18:31 |
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| julen | #topic fixing the 14.04.5 patch | 18:32 |
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| dguitarbite | I have something way more elegant for this, rluethi I will udpate the existing patch, giving -1 till then. Is that a fair deal in return for some cookies? | 18:33 |
| rluethi | I think the tail -n1 is the right way, but if you find a better solution, I am happy to learn. | 18:33 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: I agree with tail -n1 I will not change it :). | 18:33 |
| rluethi | we'll buy some cookies for you in barcelona, provided that you provide a way more elegant solution. | 18:33 |
| rluethi | :) | 18:34 |
| rluethi | cookies for everyone. | 18:34 |
| julen | :) | 18:34 |
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| julen | dguitarbite: I used this one, and I am having no issues so far | 18:35 |
| julen | cat ${ISO_DIR_PATH}/Ubuntu_${OP_VERSION}_MD5SUMS |grep ${BASE_ISO_NAME} |awk '{print $1}' | 18:35 |
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| julen | the BASE_ISO_NAME is the full name of the ISO file | 18:35 |
| rluethi | julen: can you fill in the values for the variables? | 18:36 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Yes, I agree. | 18:36 |
| dguitarbite | awk method should work fine too. | 18:36 |
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| rluethi | I don't understand how it works. | 18:36 |
| julen | cat ~/Ubuntu_14.04.5_MD5SUMS |grep ubuntu-14.04.5-server-amd64.iso |awk '{print $1}' | 18:37 |
| rluethi | julen: oh, that gives you the md5sum. | 18:37 |
| julen | hmm... wheren't we talking about that? | 18:38 |
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| rluethi | julen: what the other function does is download an MD5SUMS file from the server and look for the name and the md5sum of the latest ISO image. | 18:38 |
| rluethi | different problem. | 18:38 |
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| rluethi | you assume that you already have the ISO image. | 18:39 |
| julen | oh, sorry | 18:39 |
| dguitarbite | Hehe I agree! | 18:39 |
| rluethi | okay, guys, we don't have much time til Barcelona. | 18:41 |
| rluethi | Let's plan what we can do before we hit the summit. | 18:41 |
| julen | dguitarbite: this is how I check for the image and checksums in the new bomsi | 18:41 |
| julen | link: http://pastebin.com/QM1zvjaJ | 18:42 |
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| julen | rluethi: agreed | 18:43 |
| julen | should we move on? | 18:43 |
| dguitarbite | Alright | 18:43 |
| dguitarbite | julen: Noted. | 18:43 |
| julen | rluethi: any news about the python port? | 18:44 |
| rluethi | julen: I split out most changes that are not Python-specific. | 18:44 |
| rluethi | the remainder is the Python-port | 18:45 |
| rluethi | Pranav requested that I submit it to the training-labs repo, so I have to build it on top of what is in that repo. | 18:45 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Eager to review them :) | 18:45 |
| julen | #topic python-port | 18:46 |
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| rluethi | I didn't get it finished yesterday, there are some differences from my private repo that I have to take into acount. | 18:46 |
| rluethi | This is going to be a very busy week at work, so the Python port will probably land on Saturday or Sunday. | 18:47 |
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| rluethi | (by the time I get home from work, I won't have time to work on the Python port, and the commute won't be enough) | 18:48 |
| dguitarbite | Works for me, I have some personal things keeping me very busy till end of this week. | 18:48 |
| julen | rluethi: unfortunately I didn't have time to test it yet. Sorry about that :( | 18:48 |
| dguitarbite | I should be done with the initial work on my parser by saturday too. | 18:48 |
| rluethi | julen: no problem. I suggest you check out Newton and test_horizon for now. | 18:49 |
| julen | rluethi: I'm on that | 18:49 |
| julen | #action julen fix test_horizon | 18:50 |
| rluethi | I am quite optimistic that we can merge a working Python port before the summit. | 18:50 |
| rluethi | And Newton. | 18:50 |
| dguitarbite | And parser :) | 18:50 |
| dguitarbite | And Newton :) | 18:50 |
| dguitarbite | I tested Newton too today it did not seem to work. I have to dig deeper | 18:51 |
| julen | the parser is going to be a big thing :) | 18:51 |
| dguitarbite | I know :) So is the python port. | 18:51 |
| dguitarbite | Both of these should give us a huge boost!!! | 18:51 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: can you be a bit more specific than "it did not seem to work"? your bug reporting is really the worst. | 18:51 |
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| rluethi | dguitarbite: you should lead by giving a good example of how it's done. | 18:52 |
| dguitarbite | I know that is why I kept quit, I jsut mean to acknowledge that I am working on it, I have to reproduce the issue and really look out if it was something from our side of the installation guides :). | 18:52 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: I know, how do I phrase this in future? Just meant to say that the newton port does not work in the first attempt :), | 18:53 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: I checked out URL X, I configured Y, I started it with Z, and I got this error: ... | 18:54 |
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| rluethi | you know, something that other people can try to reproduce. | 18:54 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: Yes, I forgot where it got stuck. I will comment on the review. | 18:55 |
| julen | we have just 5 minutes more | 18:55 |
| julen | #topic any other business? | 18:55 |
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| julen | I have one proposal for the preseed file | 18:56 |
| rluethi | I am good for now. I think everybody knows what they have to do. | 18:56 |
| rluethi | julen: yes? | 18:56 |
| julen | choose-mirror-binmirror/http/mirrorselectarchive.ubuntu.com | 18:56 |
| julen | this way it will always chose the mirror closer to your location, instead of the us.archive.ubuntu.com one | 18:57 |
| rluethi | julen: if it works, that would be awesome. | 18:57 |
| julen | (the above line is supposed to be a preseed command) | 18:57 |
| rluethi | did you test it? | 18:57 |
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| julen | it seems to work in the tests I'm doing... | 18:57 |
| dguitarbite | It does seem to work! | 18:58 |
| rluethi | Then I suggest you submit updated preseed files with a new version name (v5 or whatever it is going to be). | 18:58 |
| dguitarbite | julen: The problem with preseed is that it is not that well documented. | 18:58 |
| julen | dguitarbite: tell me about it... :P | 18:59 |
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| rluethi | It's good to keep old versions of preseed files around for some time because otherwise you cannot easily change them for testing. | 18:59 |
| rluethi | okay guys, we have to go. | 18:59 |
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| rluethi | julen: endmeeting | 19:00 |
| julen | rluethi, dguitarbite, thanks for the meeting | 19:00 |
| rluethi | thanks everyone | 19:00 |
| julen | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 3 19:00:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| dguitarbite | Thanks bye :) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-10-03-18.03.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-10-03-18.03.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-10-03-18.03.log.html | 19:00 |
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| julen | see you guys | 19:00 |
| rluethi | bye | 19:00 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting Barbican | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 3 20:01:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Barbican)" | 20:01 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:01 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic rollcall | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: Barbican)" | 20:01 | |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | thanks woodster_ | 20:01 |
| panatl | o/ | 20:02 |
| diazjf | o/ | 20:02 |
| dave-mccowan | i'm still learning the ropes apparently :-) | 20:02 |
| woodster_ | ha, no worries! | 20:02 |
| dave-mccowan | ping redrobot | 20:03 |
| redrobot | o/ | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | As usual our agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic action item status | 20:04 |
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| dave-mccowan | mostly we had documentation related action items from last week. | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | i don't have an update on these this week. Anyone else? | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | I still have an action item to create an etherpad to help us break up and track this work. | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-09-26-20.00.html | 20:05 |
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| dave-mccowan | moving on ... | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Newton Status | 20:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Newton Status (Meeting topic: Barbican)" | 20:06 | |
| dave-mccowan | RC1 is still our latest and it has been tagged, ready for release. We should be all set, unless we find something new. | 20:07 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Barcelona | 20:08 |
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| dave-mccowan | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-ocata-design-summit | 20:09 |
| dave-mccowan | we're still pretty light on session topics. do we think we'll need all 7 times we have scheduled? i need to update the session descriptions for the schedule this week. | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | if you have ideas for more things to discuss, please add it to the list. | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | any ideas for the fishbowl session? the fishbowl is a large room designed for us to get input from the broader community. | 20:11 |
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| woodster_ | I can't think of fishbowl-worthy discussions other than cross-project testing and integrations | 20:12 |
| kfarr | woodster_ that's what I would say, too | 20:12 |
| diazjf | dave-mccowan, how about "barbican maturity". What new things should be in barbican, etc. See what everyone thinks. | 20:12 |
| diazjf | yeah kfarr, and woodster_ have a good point. | 20:13 |
| dave-mccowan | sounds good for the fishbowl. I was thinking calling it something like "Barbican Roadmap: The road to the castle". | 20:13 |
| woodster_ | diazjf: or more generally what is holding deployers back from integrating with barbican | 20:13 |
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| dave-mccowan | Barbican Maturity will be a good work room session... | 20:14 |
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| dave-mccowan | OK. i captured the above on the etherpad and will add it to our schedule. | 20:16 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic PIke Project Team Gathering | 20:17 |
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| dave-mccowan | Has everyone read about the new PTG on the mail list? | 20:18 |
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| dave-mccowan | Through Barcelona, the Summit has been two meetings in one 1) The Summit and 2) The Design Summit | 20:18 |
| dave-mccowan | Starting in Boston they are splitting these. | 20:19 |
| dave-mccowan | So, instead of a mid-cycle between Barcelona and Boston, there will be a "Project Team Gathering" | 20:19 |
| dave-mccowan | which I think will be pretty cool.... in a way, like all project having a co-located midcycle. | 20:19 |
| dave-mccowan | #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg | 20:20 |
| dave-mccowan | For now, save the date: February 20-24 in Atlanta, GA. | 20:20 |
| dave-mccowan | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-pike-ptg | 20:20 |
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| dave-mccowan | It's probably too soon to start an agenda, but there's the etherpad page we can use. | 20:21 |
| dave-mccowan | any questions or comments on that? | 20:21 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic open discussion | 20:22 |
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| dave-mccowan | any pending reviews that need attention? | 20:24 |
| dave-mccowan | thanks everyone! | 20:25 |
| diazjf | thanks! | 20:26 |
| dave-mccowan | #endmeeting | 20:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:26 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 3 20:26:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:26 |
| woodster_ | thanks dave-mccowan | 20:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-10-03-20.01.html | 20:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-10-03-20.01.txt | 20:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-10-03-20.01.log.html | 20:26 |
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| CarolBarrett | #startmeeting Product Working Group | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 3 21:02:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is CarolBarrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:02 |
| CarolBarrett | Hi - Who is here for today's Product Work Group team meeting? | 21:02 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 21:02 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:02 |
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| leong | o/ | 21:02 |
| MadhuKashyap | o/ | 21:03 |
| KrishR | o/ | 21:03 |
| CarolBarrett | Shamail is traveling today and won't be able to join us | 21:03 |
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| CarolBarrett | leong: going in disguise? | 21:03 |
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| CarolBarrett | :) | 21:03 |
| CarolBarrett | You can find the agenda here | 21:04 |
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| CarolBarrett | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:04 |
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| CarolBarrett | Let's get started | 21:04 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic Barcelona Planning | 21:04 |
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| CarolBarrett | We have the info on our working session | 21:05 |
| CarolBarrett | here's a link to the planning etherpad | 21:05 |
| CarolBarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Session_Oct16_BCN | 21:05 |
| CarolBarrett | We have both a BoF and Working session | 21:07 |
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| CarolBarrett | Let's go to the etherpad | 21:07 |
| CarolBarrett | Pls add agenda topics and indicate interest | 21:07 |
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| CarolBarrett | Any agenda proposals that we want to discuss? | 21:10 |
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| CarolBarrett | we will have 90 mins, so can probably handle 2-3 topics depending upon depth | 21:12 |
| CarolBarrett | I think setting Ocata goals is a good one! | 21:12 |
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| CarolBarrett | Madhu: Do you think we would have some of the OPNFV folks in the session in Barcelona? | 21:14 |
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| CarolBarrett | adhuKashyap: Do you think we would have some of the OPNFV folks in the session in Barcelona? | 21:15 |
| MadhuKashyap | I think so. I will reach out to some of them. | 21:15 |
| CarolBarrett | MadhuKashyap: Thanks. Let us know what you hear. There is a joint OpenStack Board/OPNFV Board meeting on Thursday afternoon | 21:16 |
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| CarolBarrett | Based upon the current comments looks like our agenda would be: Ocata & Pike Goals, PWG's Role in Forum, Self-Service model for Roadmap creation | 21:17 |
| MadhuKashyap | Oh good to know. Usually someone on the OPNFV mailing list sends out the minutes. | 21:18 |
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| CarolBarrett | I'm planning to attend the meeting and can send out my notes too | 21:18 |
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| MadhuKashyap | Thanks | 21:18 |
| CarolBarrett | I think we should finalize the agenda and owners next week - agree? | 21:19 |
| Rockyg | +100 CarolBarrett | 21:19 |
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| MadhuKashyap | +1 | 21:19 |
| Rockyg | the +100 was for the notes. +1 for finalizing | 21:20 |
| CarolBarrett | #agree Finalize PWG Working Session agenda and owners in 10/10 team meeting | 21:20 |
| CarolBarrett | Rockg: LOL | 21:20 |
| CarolBarrett | Can we look at the slides from Austin and decide what changes we want to make for BCN? | 21:20 |
| CarolBarrett | #link https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxtM4AiszlEyWnhITHBSMjE3R3M/view | 21:21 |
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| CarolBarrett | Should we add a slide about why this WG was formed? Came up in another WG discussion earlier today. | 21:22 |
| pchadwick | Being too lazy to do the math myself, does anyone know how close do we come to the 80% of contributions on slide 3? | 21:22 |
| CarolBarrett | pchadwick: pretty good size gap currently | 21:23 |
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| CarolBarrett | Red Hat and Mirantis aren't really active | 21:23 |
| pchadwick | carolbarrett: that is what I thought | 21:24 |
| Rockyg | we should let them know we're pulling hn off the slide ;-0 | 21:24 |
| pchadwick | rockyg: +1 | 21:25 |
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| CarolBarrett | I reached out to Red Hat, but no response...need to follow-up. | 21:25 |
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| CarolBarrett | I think someone else had the action item to reach out to Mirantis....? | 21:25 |
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| CarolBarrett | Beyond those Companies - We have good attendance at the sessions. What else should we do to convert this to active participants? | 21:27 |
| pchadwick | My guess is that they figure they will just drive the roadmap they way they want to. | 21:28 |
| Rockyg | we should mark the process slide as to be updated | 21:29 |
| CarolBarrett | I'll create a google slide version that we can all edit | 21:29 |
| CarolBarrett | #link: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/12C16giMZ_XOcG36aD-O7k0P498Yn6gZuTs8ndfG3hsE/edit?usp=sharing | 21:30 |
| CarolBarrett | Can everyone access and edit that? | 21:32 |
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| KrishR | yes | 21:32 |
| CarolBarrett | Thanks | 21:32 |
| CarolBarrett | Pls put comments as well as make edits directly on the slides | 21:32 |
| pchadwick | carolbarret: I was able to edit | 21:34 |
| CarolBarrett | pchadwick: Thanks | 21:34 |
| MadhuKashyap | I am from HPE. Don't cross out HPE. | 21:35 |
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| CarolBarrett | MadhuKashyap: My bad - Thanks for correcting! | 21:36 |
| MadhuKashyap | :) np | 21:36 |
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| MadhuKashyap | Can we point to some feature in Newton that came out of PWG user story of collaboration? | 21:37 |
| MadhuKashyap | or collaboration? | 21:38 |
| Rockyg | good question | 21:38 |
| CarolBarrett | MadhuKashyap: I wonder if there's something around upgrades that we could highlight? | 21:38 |
| CarolBarrett | I added a slide as a place holder for outlining Impacts | 21:39 |
| KrishR | CarolBarrett: +1 on highlghting work on rolling upgrades | 21:39 |
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| CarolBarrett | KrishR: Do you have thoughts on what we can specifically point to? | 21:39 |
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| Rockyg | I think some HA stuff got done this cycle | 21:40 |
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| CarolBarrett | RockyG: Do you have or can you find out the specifics? | 21:41 |
| Rockyg | good qestion. i'll look around | 21:42 |
| KrishR | CarolBarrett: I'll put some thoughts into the slides | 21:42 |
| CarolBarrett | KrishR: Thanks | 21:42 |
| CarolBarrett | Other thoughts on proof points of contributions? | 21:43 |
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| Rockyg | it's possible some bare metal needs allso got fulfilld | 21:44 |
| CarolBarrett | Leong: Do you know about that? | 21:45 |
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| KrishR | CarolBarrett: I believe multiple compute hosts and multi-tenant networking in Ironic made it into Newton | 21:46 |
| CarolBarrett | Pls KrishR: That's great - can you add that into the slides too? | 21:46 |
| Rockyg | I know this was a very productive cycl for thm | 21:47 |
| CarolBarrett | That's good to hear | 21:47 |
| CarolBarrett | The next cycle could have much less new features -- but much more bug fix, debt reduction. | 21:47 |
| CarolBarrett | Pls edit the slides and we'll review in next week's meeting. | 21:48 |
| CarolBarrett | Let's go to our next topic | 21:48 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic Ops meetup schedule and coverage | 21:48 |
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| CarolBarrett | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=80351347 | 21:48 |
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| CarolBarrett | Here's where the current plan for the Ops Meetup in captured | 21:48 |
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| CarolBarrett | It would be good to identify sessions that relate to our priority user stories and make sure we have coverage | 21:49 |
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| CarolBarrett | I added a copy of this into the PWG folder I shared earlier | 21:52 |
| CarolBarrett | Here is a link to it | 21:52 |
| CarolBarrett | #link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SyNpzXE1hqWypZoipMEuLYHPn9UkU-5mp7xOv0JSs1w/edit?usp=sharing | 21:52 |
| CarolBarrett | we can use this to track coverage | 21:52 |
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| CarolBarrett | If you want to volunteer to cover a session, pls add your name to the session cell | 21:53 |
| CarolBarrett | Oops that might not work | 21:53 |
| CarolBarrett | Thoughts on how to track? | 21:54 |
| MadhuKashyap | I noticed folks are adding comments to cells - perhaps that's one way to track. | 21:55 |
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| CarolBarrett | MadhuKashyap: That's a good idea! | 21:56 |
| CarolBarrett | Pls look this over, along with the rest of your Summit schedule and we'll review next week too. | 21:56 |
| CarolBarrett | Does anyone have opens before we run out of time? | 21:57 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic Opens | 21:57 |
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| Rockyg | nope | 21:58 |
| MeganR | I'm good | 21:58 |
| MadhuKashyap | same here | 21:59 |
| CarolBarrett | OK - then we're done for today! | 21:59 |
| Rockyg | thanks! | 21:59 |
| CarolBarrett | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 3 21:59:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-10-03-21.02.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-10-03-21.02.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-10-03-21.02.log.html | 22:00 |
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