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| IgorYozhikov | o/ | 13:00 |
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| jruzicka | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 4 13:01:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jruzicka. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:01 |
| astsmtl | Hi. | 13:01 |
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| toabctl | hi | 13:01 |
| IgorYozhikov | hi folks, nice to see you all, just get back from vacations | 13:01 |
| jruzicka | o/ | 13:01 |
| toabctl | I think dirk is on a conference | 13:01 |
| mivanov | hi | 13:01 |
| jruzicka | #chair IgorYozhikov astsmtl toabctl mivanov | 13:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov astsmtl jruzicka mivanov toabctl | 13:02 |
| * toabctl is sick and may not stay the whole meeting | 13:02 | |
| jpena | o/ | 13:02 |
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| toabctl | jruzicka, do you want to lead the meeting? | 13:03 |
| toabctl | or anybody else? | 13:03 |
| jruzicka | toabctl, I rember volutneering | 13:04 |
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| jruzicka | please insert any interesting items into agenda if you have any | 13:04 |
| jruzicka | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:04 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl,I could lead it next time, just get back and collecting news and everything i missed :) | 13:04 |
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| jruzicka | #topic how to unit test https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347447/ | 13:04 |
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| jruzicka | let's see if topics show up while I stall with this :) | 13:05 |
| jruzicka | thing is... that code renders templates into blocks so I wonder howto unit test it without being dependent on the specific substitutions | 13:05 |
| jruzicka | as those are subject to change | 13:05 |
| jruzicka | IOW howto make the unit test in a way they don't need to be changed each time the distro specific template ({fedora,suse}.spec.j2) is changed? | 13:06 |
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| * toabctl needs to look into that again | 13:08 | |
| jruzicka | yeah, it's more like a poke so that someone looks at it :) | 13:08 |
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| jruzicka | in related news | 13:08 |
| jruzicka | #topic ordering of (Build)Requires | 13:09 |
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| jruzicka | Currently, we are forced to manually sort the requires in .spec because spec-cleaner requires it, is that correct? | 13:10 |
| jruzicka | *in .spec.j2 | 13:10 |
| IgorYozhikov | jruzicka, does it mean that you proposition for block build_requires will autoadd predefined values from dist-templates/*? | 13:10 |
| IgorYozhikov | sorry I'm about 1st topic | 13:10 |
| toabctl | jruzicka, yes. spec-cleaner forces the sort currently | 13:10 |
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| jpena | jruzicka: yep, I found out today :) | 13:10 |
| jruzicka | IgorYozhikov, block isn't powerful enough to solve that :) I'm cooking another patch to post-process the build-requires | 13:11 |
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| jruzicka | so we prefer to sort the requires logically | 13:12 |
| * toabctl is not sure if spec-cleaner is the best solution | 13:12 | |
| jruzicka | Sorting becomes kinda hard since the translated package names might differ to the project names | 13:13 |
| jruzicka | So I suggest we allow any order and let renderspec order them, what do you think? | 13:13 |
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| IgorYozhikov | jruzicka, I just got thought - you could use blocks and just fill it with list of {block} py2pkg('..'),py2pkg('...') {endblock}-> it which will render like BuildRequires: translated-package-name | 13:13 |
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| IgorYozhikov | jruzicka, using sort as in requirements makes maintenance easier | 13:14 |
| jruzicka | IgorYozhikov, note that there can be only one block but multiple block of requirements. amongs other things | 13:14 |
| toabctl | jruzicka, for reviews I like things in order even in the spec.j2 templates | 13:14 |
| jruzicka | IgorYozhikov, after thinking about it, solving the sorting via postprocessing is easiest | 13:15 |
| jruzicka | toabctl, well yeah, it makes sense that you want to apply same rules as for .spec :) | 13:15 |
| jruzicka | bad luck number80 is on flock | 13:16 |
| jpena | why not both? I mean, let's enforce order for the py2pkg name in the jinja template, then let renderspec render them in the right order | 13:16 |
| jpena | the current status could lead to trial and error | 13:16 |
| jruzicka | jpena to save the day with the most complicated solution :D | 13:17 |
| jruzicka | but yeah | 13:17 |
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| jruzicka | I personally prefer to group the requires logically | 13:17 |
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| * toabctl has to leave. pardon | 13:17 | |
| IgorYozhikov | jruzicka, if you will pull all reqs inside blocks - might be easier to process ans sort values inside blocks? | 13:18 |
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| IgorYozhikov | s/ans/and/ | 13:18 |
| jruzicka | IgorYozhikov, that's not how they work. | 13:18 |
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| jruzicka | they don't allow post-processing, just inheritance | 13:19 |
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| IgorYozhikov | i c | 13:19 |
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| jruzicka | IgorYozhikov, either a macro (which would change the structure drasticly) or a simple post-processing in renderspec... | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | so, what are cons or pros for logical || alphabetical ordering? | 13:20 |
| jruzicka | let's postpone this to a time when more people can express their opinion | 13:21 |
| IgorYozhikov | just my opinion here: since we are updating template manually - it is easier to track changes if reqs recorded almost in the same manner as in requirements file. | 13:22 |
| IgorYozhikov | anyway, jruzicka , agree, let's wait here :) | 13:22 |
| jruzicka | IgorYozhikov, yeah, I also prefer to have them in the same order as requirements.txt | 13:23 |
| jruzicka | with the extra few of our special fedora-ish deps on top | 13:23 |
| jruzicka | forced alphabetical order would break that | 13:23 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I'm just add non python stuff like zip or libs in the bottom of the reqs list | 13:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | after all py2pkg() | 13:24 |
| jruzicka | yeah, for example | 13:24 |
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| jruzicka | #topic reviews | 13:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:25 | |
| jruzicka | if you have some priority reviews you'd like to point to, here's your chance | 13:26 |
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| IgorYozhikov | astsmtl, mivanov, toabctl do you have anything 4 review? | 13:26 |
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| IgorYozhikov | might be this one - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336151/ | 13:27 |
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| jruzicka | that needs discussion, so also postponed till next time | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, commented it with - need discussion | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok | 13:28 |
| jruzicka | because there seems to be too few people to discuss ATM :) | 13:28 |
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| IgorYozhikov | i c | 13:29 |
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| jruzicka | and so... | 13:29 |
| jruzicka | #endmeeting | 13:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 4 13:29:50 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-08-04-13.01.html | 13:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-08-04-13.01.txt | 13:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-08-04-13.01.log.html | 13:29 |
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| m3m0 | #startmeeting freezer | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 4 14:03:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is m3m0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:03 |
| m3m0 | who's here for freezer meeting? | 14:03 |
| ddieterly | o/ | 14:03 |
| yangyapeng | hello m3m0 | 14:03 |
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| timothyb89 | hello all | 14:04 |
| m3m0 | let's wait for more people to join | 14:04 |
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| zhurong | 0/ | 14:05 |
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| m3m0 | please add your pending reviews here and topics if you have https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:07 |
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| m3m0 | #topic freezer mascot | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "freezer mascot (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:09 | |
| m3m0 | ok this is easy, there is a survey to chose the new mascot, please vote: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/R6VGGGG | 14:09 |
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| ddieterly | i voted | 14:12 |
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| m3m0 | thanks, does anyone have more topics? | 14:14 |
| m3m0 | timothyb89 ddieterly zhurong yangyapeng ^^ | 14:14 |
| ddieterly | no, i'm busy with hpe hos related stuff | 14:15 |
| timothyb89 | nothing from me either | 14:16 |
| yangyapeng | no, me too | 14:16 |
| yangyapeng | zhurong: | 14:16 |
| zhurong | no from me | 14:16 |
| m3m0 | yeah I'm the same here | 14:17 |
| m3m0 | ddieterly: do we need to backport this as well? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350234/2 | 14:17 |
| ddieterly | yes, we should | 14:18 |
| m3m0 | more reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349940/ | 14:19 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340307/ | 14:19 |
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| m3m0 | yangyapeng: what about this ones: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339477 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350110 | 14:19 |
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| yangyape_ | ping zhurong | 14:23 |
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| m3m0 | yangyape_: thanks :) | 14:24 |
| yangyape_ | :) | 14:24 |
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| zhurong | I am here | 14:26 |
| yangyape_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339477 if you can review it about dashbord | 14:27 |
| m3m0 | ddieterly: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339477/4 please | 14:27 |
| m3m0 | yangyape_: and what about this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350110/1 | 14:28 |
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| ddieterly | yangyape_ are you sure that it will work? | 14:29 |
| ddieterly | i don't have a way of testing it right now | 14:29 |
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| yangyape_ | m3m0: I test it in dashboard. it is ok | 14:29 |
| m3m0 | where does WEBROOT comes from? | 14:29 |
| zhurong | I think the most import patch is this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335410/ | 14:29 |
| yangyape_ | ddieterly: create job and edit action in job and so on . | 14:29 |
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| zhurong | m3m0 from horizon dashbaord | 14:29 |
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| m3m0 | ok, so are those 2 commits related? | 14:30 |
| ddieterly | they look like competing commits | 14:30 |
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| yangyape_ | ddieterly: yeah , but the first one , I have no test. | 14:32 |
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| zhurong | m3m0 url_path have get the full path, I think we doesn't need to using the WEBROOT | 14:32 |
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| m3m0 | zhurong: that's not the case when horizon is configured to have "/horizon/" prefix | 14:33 |
| m3m0 | WEBROOT can be http://127.0.0.1:8000/horizon or http://127.0.0.1:8000/ and there is a distinction there for javascript | 14:34 |
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| zhurong | m3m0 maybe not /horizon | 14:34 |
| yangyape_ | dashboard? | 14:34 |
| m3m0 | because /horizon/ is no longer part of the pathname nor the host | 14:34 |
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| m3m0 | could you print what's your WEBROOT? | 14:35 |
| zhurong | We can setting any WEBROOT | 14:35 |
| zhurong | devstack set with /dashboard | 14:36 |
| m3m0 | and what's the full value? | 14:36 |
| zhurong | http://172.16.140.31/dashboard | 14:38 |
| yangyape_ | m3m0: i think use url_path is better to fix it | 14:38 |
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| m3m0 | for me: url_path = /disaster_recovery/ | 14:42 |
| m3m0 | WEBROOT / | 14:42 |
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| zhurong | m3m0 yep, this two patch can solve the problem, but if using WEBROOT, get url_path should remove, and If we change the url, also should change this js | 14:44 |
| m3m0 | which I think should solve the issue | 14:44 |
| m3m0 | zhurong: so, I got confused, which one do you think is best? | 14:44 |
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| zhurong | m3m0 all depends you, :D. Both are OK, but using WEBROOT one should remove get url_path. | 14:46 |
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| m3m0 | let's go for WEBROOT seems cleaner, do you want to update the patch? | 14:46 |
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| yangyape_ | zhurong: remove the url_path other patch | 14:47 |
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| m3m0 | in the smae | 14:48 |
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| m3m0 | guys can we discuss this in the #openstack-freezer channel? | 14:52 |
| m3m0 | and close this meeting? | 14:52 |
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| zhurong | Sure | 14:52 |
| m3m0 | #endmeeting | 14:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 4 14:52:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:52 |
| yangyape_ | yeah . end | 14:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-08-04-14.03.html | 14:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-08-04-14.03.txt | 14:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-08-04-14.03.log.html | 14:52 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 4 15:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | hello all! | 15:00 |
| tovchinnikova | \\// | 15:00 |
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| zhongjun_ | hello | 15:00 |
| tpsilva | hello | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| rraja | hi! | 15:00 |
| aovchinnikov | hi | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:00 |
| jseiler | hi | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| MikeG451 | Hi | 15:00 |
| zengyingzhe_ | Hi | 15:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | hey | 15:00 |
| dustins | \o | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | alright! | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | first of all, welcome tbarron to the manila core reviewer team | 15:02 |
| zhongjun_ | tbarron: congratulation! | 15:02 |
| bswartz | I still haven't made it official | 15:02 |
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| xyang1 | tbarron: congrats! | 15:02 |
| bswartz | but I'll do that after this meeting | 15:02 |
| rraja | tbarron: congrats! | 15:02 |
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| ganso | tbarron: congrats! welcome to core team! | 15:02 |
| bswartz | secondly, this is week R-9 | 15:02 |
| dustins | wooooohoooooo! | 15:03 |
| bswartz | 4 weeks to feature freeze | 15:03 |
| tbarron | thanks all, i'm honored and will try to do a good job. | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | no special deadlines today but any major features that aren't getting reviews by now will probably not make it for newton | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | we have a lot of new stuff proposed, and honestly I'll be surprised if all of it merges | 15:04 |
| bswartz | we'll most likely have to make some tough choices in the next few weeks | 15:04 |
| bswartz | so be proactive about getting reviews | 15:04 |
| markstur | tbarron, congrats! | 15:05 |
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| ameade | groups > user messages correct? | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | ameade: personally I'd rather see user messages | 15:05 |
| bswartz | 2 topic for today | 15:05 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #topic Migration APIs | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/100682.html | 15:05 |
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| ganso | my reply #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/100809.html | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | so this discussion was started as a result of a few drivers that are actually trying to implement the driver-assisted migration share driver interface | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | the existing interface was (arguably) confusing and we're proposing to simply the whole interface by basically not doing 1-phase migrations | 15:07 |
| bswartz | because end users are easily able to write a script which duplicates what we had for the "1 phase" migration | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | for those who aren't familiar, every migration operation has a few phases | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | there is a long phase where the data gets copied, and the short phase where the share changes its export location to the new place | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | and we felt it was essential that users control when that phase transition occurs | 15:09 |
| bswartz | the only thing the 1-phase migration did was automate moving to the second phase after the first phase completed | 15:10 |
| bswartz | for those that have read ganso's ML post, (D) is what I propose | 15:11 |
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| ganso | I would like to emphasize that we are mostly discussing the user experience here, it is very simple to do the 1-phase thing, automating the call to migration-complete | 15:12 |
| ganso | so our concern is that the API is not confusing to the end user, and it is what we want, we don't want to come back to change this again afterwards | 15:13 |
| bswartz | okay if there's no comments I'll assume everyone agrees or doesn't care and we can move on | 15:13 |
| ganso | bswartz: still, there is the polling approach | 15:13 |
| ganso | bswartz: which is between B and C | 15:13 |
| ganso | bswartz: I implemented B in latest patch that is waiting to merge on gerrit | 15:14 |
| ganso | bswartz: and C has polling in manager, where B doesn't | 15:14 |
| bswartz | honestly I'm okay with B in the short term but it will never work long term | 15:14 |
| zhongjun_ | But if we implement 1-phase migration outside of manila, Does it will cost many resources? Because it will have multiple interactions between manila client and manila service, the manila client will polling manila service to make sure whether the 1st/2st phase is completed. | 15:14 |
| ganso | bswartz: I probably wasn't very clear but it is B+D or C+D what we choose | 15:14 |
| bswartz | in the short term we want the ensure the REST API is what we want to set in stone, and we need to make sure the driver interface isn't too terrible | 15:15 |
| bswartz | we can iterate on the driver interface in future releases | 15:15 |
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| ganso | zhongjun_: you are correct | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | the main problem with (B) is that the driver is allowed to block, which means that when the service is restarted your migration simply stops and you never find out | 15:16 |
| ganso | bswartz: both B and C require recover mechanisms | 15:16 |
| ganso | bswartz: recover mechanism for C is simpler | 15:16 |
| ganso | bswartz: both the driver and manager will need to be aware of this recover mechanism | 15:17 |
| bswartz | (D) would as well | 15:17 |
| ganso | bswartz: for (D) it does not matter | 15:17 |
| ganso | bswartz: since it is just a small detail that changes to correspond to the API | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun_: yes the client would need to poll on some kind of frequency -- things like horizon do that already for other purposes | 15:18 |
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| ganso | bswartz: in (B), I expect the recover mechanism to be: "if status is 'driver_in_progress', invoke the driver's migration-start again and the driver will figure out what to do in the backend to continue migration" | 15:19 |
| bswartz | that's only if the client wants the migration to complete as early as possible however | 15:19 |
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| ganso | bswartz: in (C), recover can be "if status is 'driver_in_progress', invoke the driver's migration-continue as it normally would" | 15:20 |
| ganso | bswartz: either way, the driver will need to figure out what state the storage is in, and how to continue | 15:20 |
| bswartz | ganso: I see | 15:20 |
| bswartz | I think (B) sets a bad precedent though | 15:21 |
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| ganso | yes, (C) is more ideal. Also, if driver interface is async, restarting service may have no effect at all in migration if backend is still busy processing the last command | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | yes | 15:22 |
| bswartz | what we want is a way to cleanly shutdown a m-shr service for maintenance | 15:22 |
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| ganso | ok, I guess we can agree to (C), and I guess also (D) to remove '1-phase' from API... | 15:23 |
| bswartz | and that can only be done if driver methods return within finite time | 15:23 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: migration is admin-only operation he can perform maintenance any other time | 15:23 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: that's not true | 15:23 |
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| ganso | I just would like to remind that we could also keep the 1-phase and default it to be 2-phase. The effort to have 1-phase in the code is very minimal | 15:24 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: only the admin can perform a migration to a specific pool, but end users will be able to trigger migrations through other APIs such as retype | 15:24 |
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| ganso | bswartz: good point | 15:24 |
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| ganso | bswartz: for other operations, what would we expect? | 15:24 |
| bswartz | ganso: the goal is to solidify the API and I'd rather start with something minimal | 15:24 |
| ganso | bswartz: user wants to retype, so it is always 2-phase as well? | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: right, forgot about retype | 15:25 |
| bswartz | if we go with 2-phase only and we want to add a one-shot API in the future, that's and easy enhancement to add | 15:25 |
| bswartz | if we start with the more complex API you can't fix it in the future if we change our minds | 15:25 |
| ganso | alright | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | or we could do something silly like make part of the API non-experimental but leave other parts experimental | 15:26 |
| bswartz | >_< | 15:26 |
| bswartz | okay next topic | 15:27 |
| bswartz | #topic Correct approach for avoiding races | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | has jcsp has pointed out in Austin, we haven't really specified anywhere what our locking protocol is or should be | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | It was my mistake to presume that the solution was obvious -- because I've had the same arguments in other contexts (like cinder) and thought there was a general understanding of how we should use DB states and locks to avoid race conditions and other concurrency issues | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | #link http://swartzlander.org/20160804_103614.jpg | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | ^ This is my crappy whiteboard rendering (sorry I'm not an artist) | 15:29 |
| bswartz | The example I'm illustrating is taking a snapshot of a share | 15:30 |
| markstur | decent primitive art | 15:30 |
| tbarron | what's the review number for that spec? :D | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | but this could apply to any workflow that's not idempotent | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | what I'm trying to illustrate is that each service should hold a lock while it's examining or manipulating the share state in the DB, but locks are NOT held across RPC or other network boundaries | 15:31 |
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| tbarron | +1 | 15:32 |
| bswartz | also locks shouldn't be held while in the driver method call because nobody knows what the driver is going to do | 15:32 |
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| tbarron | +1 | 15:32 |
| bswartz | the purpose of the locks is simpy to protect the state change so 2 requests can't race on a state change | 15:32 |
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| ganso | so, update_access should not have a lock that include the driver running and its status update | 15:33 |
| bswartz | the state chance is what prevents concurrent access | 15:33 |
| bswartz | state change* | 15:33 |
| bswartz | Ideally locks should be held for tens of microseconds at the most | 15:33 |
| bswartz | we don't want situations where aquiring a lock takes a noticeable amount of time | 15:34 |
| bswartz | because code should grab the lock and change the state and release the lock | 15:34 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: are you checking and updating db status in one step? | 15:34 |
| bswartz | for things that take longer, transitional states are the right way to block other conflicting activities | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | xyang1: yes precisely | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | test and set. | 15:35 |
| tbarron | ganso: right, the db state change should provide the exclusion | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | once you have the lock you should read the state, and if it's not the state you expect, fail | 15:36 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: mechanism is another question | 15:36 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: yeah or read-modify-write -- as long as it's atomic | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | so there was a specific bug | 15:37 |
| bswartz | on the update access code path | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | where race conditions can easily occur | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | and that's where I wanted to employ this approach first | 15:37 |
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| tpsilva | #link https://github.com/openstack/manila/blob/master/manila/share/access.py#L125 | 15:38 |
| tpsilva | #link https://github.com/openstack/manila/blob/master/manila/share/api.py#L1225 | 15:38 |
| tpsilva | these are the lines | 15:38 |
| ganso | tpsilva: almost matching line numbers | 15:38 |
| vponomaryov | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1566815 | 15:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1566815 in Manila "share manager fails to remove access rules on replicated share" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Valeriy Ponomaryov (vponomaryov) | 15:38 |
| bswartz | ty | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: wait, the problem with update_access is that we have two resources and the state of these two resources were maintained on one resource | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: at least one of the problems | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: i mean access_rule and share_instance.. | 15:39 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: there could easily be more problems than the race | 15:39 |
| bswartz | but if we fix the race I think the rest will get easier to fix | 15:39 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: it was not stabily reproducible bug, it is exactly racy | 15:39 |
| bswartz | the race in update access was known since mitaka, and we planned to fix it in newton | 15:40 |
| ganso | gouthamr and I were discussing yesterday, an alternative fix, that could be more ideal and could even prevent the locks being proposed as immediate fix, is adding back the access_rule 'state' field | 15:40 |
| tpsilva | I'm with gouthamr and ganso | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | ganso: we shouldn't be trying to avoid usage of locks | 15:40 |
| bswartz | correct behavior is impossible without atomic state changes | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: this particular case is allowing access_rules to be added and deleted via the API.. and not locking out on state changes on the share instance | 15:41 |
| bswartz | there has been an ongoing misconception that locks in the API service are a bad thing | 15:41 |
| ganso | bswartz: removing the access_rule 'state' field has complicated what we could do. Rules had a very well defined workflow: new => active / error | 15:41 |
| bswartz | as long as we can ensure that locks are never held for longer than the time it takes to read/write a database column then locks in the API service will be harmless | 15:42 |
| ganso | bswartz: the access_rules_state field in share_instance model has its value changed by more than one entity at several times, so it is prone to this kind of problem | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | ganso: that other fix is needed too | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | we have lots of bugs, and plenty of work to do before release | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | I'm trying to get agreement about the general mechanism for avoiding races because they exist for ALL of our APIs | 15:43 |
| tbarron | well, i would avoid word mechanism in your prev sentence | 15:44 |
| bswartz | for years now we've tried to address these problems with bandaids and workarounds | 15:44 |
| tbarron | that question remains open even if we agree on your proposal | 15:44 |
| bswartz | it's time to start actually using locks to protect our state changes from races | 15:44 |
| tbarron | and they should be decoupled | 15:44 |
| tbarron | +1 | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: okay, are we okay with sketching this out in a spec and discuss the ramifications? | 15:44 |
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| ganso | I agree with the approach, such as in the snapshot example, for access_rules, I agree as an immediate fix, not ideal one, we should revisit this in ocata | 15:45 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: if people want a spec I can write a spec but I don't think that will help | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: +1 -> what mechanism is a different question.. i think we would like the abstraction for now. | 15:45 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: you saw the spec, it just needs a review number | 15:45 |
| tbarron | :D | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: you raise a good point | 15:45 |
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| gouthamr | tbarron: sure.. bswartz and i doodle on whiteboards all day and keep running into different bugs :D | 15:46 |
| tbarron | :D | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | s/bugs/gotchas | 15:46 |
| bswartz | other projects have tried to tackle this issue with a different solution | 15:46 |
| tbarron | what you said allows for different ways to protech the DB state change in api | 15:47 |
| bswartz | cinder for example designed a somewhat complex DB-mechanism for doing a test and set to avoid usage of proper locks | 15:47 |
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| tbarron | which it should, since which way to do it is an open question | 15:47 |
| bswartz | I've heard 2 complaints about the cinder approach | 15:47 |
| tbarron | bswartz: the test and set is just another way to do what you describe | 15:47 |
| bswartz | 1) it limits what you can update to a single table | 15:47 |
| tbarron | i'm not arguing for it or gainst it atm | 15:47 |
| bswartz | 2) mortals don't understand how the code works | 15:47 |
| tbarron | just saying that there's a followon discussion if we agree to what you said today | 15:48 |
| bswartz | I'm hoping that locks are more idiot-proof than test-and-set | 15:48 |
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| tbarron | so you are arguing for dlm mechanism, not just for exclusion around DB change to -ing state | 15:49 |
| bswartz | locks are definitely more flexible in terms of what you can do | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: yes but the lock mechanism only has to be as distributed as the environment where manila runs, and for most of us that's a single node | 15:50 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: are we going to use tooz or not | 15:50 |
| bswartz | xyang1: I'm in favor of tooz | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | xyang1: pertinent question :) | 15:50 |
| tbarron | why not decouple the two questions? | 15:50 |
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| tbarron | get agreement on your picture first | 15:51 |
| bswartz | tbarron: using of tooz allows us to avoid the question and make it a deployer choice | 15:51 |
| bswartz | tbarron: do you not like my proposal? | 15:51 |
| tbarron | i like your picture, your picture doesn't imply tooz or whatever rather than compare and swap though | 15:51 |
| tpsilva | bswartz: just to clarify, the whiteboard proposal is for *any* locks or just locks that involve the API? | 15:52 |
| tbarron | i'm just saying agree to one thing at a time | 15:52 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I tried to be very explicit with the little "lock/unlock" pictures | 15:52 |
| tbarron | all that means is exclusion, not mechanism | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | okay well I thought my proposal included the mechanism because I didn't see anything else in the proposal worth arguing about | 15:53 |
| tbarron | on the mechanism question, i do like the idea that tooz allows for degrees of freedom | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | is there another aspect in the proposal we could debate? | 15:53 |
| tbarron | with gouthamr i pushed for getting tooz in review here | 15:53 |
| tbarron | but i'm disturbed by lack of progress on tooz backends in openstack ini general | 15:54 |
| bswartz | http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/c8/c82f116b14ec94338efcbdc160e63c16a599a826f78adafad34f8deec68fc04b.jpg | 15:54 |
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| tbarron | nice | 15:55 |
| gouthamr | nice | 15:55 |
| bswartz | well there's a file lock backend which should be sufficient for everyone who's on a single node | 15:55 |
| tbarron | now whenever anyone says this, they are (rightly IMO) invited to join the effort to work on tooz! | 15:55 |
| bswartz | and zookeeper is known to deal with multinode configurations well | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | personally I'd rather use zookeeper for ALL configurations | 15:56 |
| bswartz | but tooz creates an abstraction layer for other implementations to be swapped in, which can only be good | 15:56 |
| bswartz | the main danger is that broken implementations are advertised as non-broken in which case users get data corruption in non-obvious ways | 15:57 |
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| tbarron | yes, my concern is that customers may start using backends that are available in distros that are note optimal | 15:58 |
| tbarron | not | 15:58 |
| tbarron | not safe | 15:58 |
| bswartz | well it can't be worse than the status quo | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | and there's a path forward to fix those issues or to help users migrate from broken to non-broken backends | 15:58 |
| bswartz | okay well we're out of time | 15:59 |
| bswartz | perhaps more discussion is needed | 15:59 |
| tbarron | bswartz: good stuff | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: yes.. POC or spec would help us get there | 15:59 |
| bswartz | I'd like to see prototypes of what I proposed used to fix actual bugs this release | 15:59 |
| tbarron | +1 | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: i volunteer to write up these ideas | 15:59 |
| bswartz | we don't need to change everything with a big bang -- just start fixing bugs as we find them | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | sorry we ran out of time for other topics | 16:00 |
| bswartz | anyone with anything else please take it to the channel | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 4 16:00:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-08-04-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-08-04-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-08-04-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:01 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:01 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:01 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:01 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 4 16:01:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
| dpyzhov | hi | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:01 |
| vkmc | o/ thanks | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | hello | 16:01 |
| maximov | hi | 16:01 |
| agordeev | o/ | 16:01 |
| romcheg | o/ | 16:01 |
| gkibardin | Hi | 16:01 |
| warpc | Hi! | 16:01 |
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| vkramskikh | hi | 16:01 |
| ikutukov | Hi! | 16:01 |
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| omolchanov_ | hi | 16:01 |
| xarses | #topic CSV and YAML output from handlers in nailgun (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/ui-deployment-history) (dguryanov) | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CSV and YAML output from handlers in nailgun (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/ui-deployment-history) (dguryanov) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:02 | |
| ashtokolov | o/ | 16:02 |
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| kozhukalov | oops, looks like dguryanov2 is afk | 16:03 |
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| dguryanov2 | Hi! | 16:03 |
| xarses | ok | 16:03 |
| xarses | #topic Removing old fuel CLI (romcheg) | 16:03 |
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| romcheg | Hi everyone! | 16:03 |
| dguryanov2 | About CSV format! | 16:03 |
| xarses | dguryanov2: we'll come back | 16:04 |
| romcheg | I let's allow dguryanov2 to comment on his topic | 16:04 |
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| kozhukalov | dguryanov2: let's postpone your topic | 16:04 |
| xarses | erm hang on then | 16:04 |
| xarses | #topic CSV and YAML output from handlers in nailgun (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/ui-deployment-history) (dguryanov) | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CSV and YAML output from handlers in nailgun (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/ui-deployment-history) (dguryanov) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:04 | |
| xarses | ok, go ahead | 16:04 |
| dguryanov2 | Thanks! | 16:04 |
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| dguryanov2 | I have 2 patches, one of them splits decorator @content | 16:04 |
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| dguryanov2 | Into the one, which handles http errors, second does validation and the last one converts return value from hanlders to string | 16:05 |
| kozhukalov | could you please share links to the patches? | 16:05 |
| dguryanov2 | And second patch adds support of CSV format | 16:05 |
| dguryanov2 | Sure | 16:05 |
| evgenyl | Hi! | 16:06 |
| dguryanov2 | https://review.openstack.org/346957 and https://review.openstack.org/348419 | 16:06 |
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| dguryanov2 | I've also added ability to export data in YAML, if client provides header Accept: application/x-yaml | 16:07 |
| maximov | so looks like splitting decorator is refactoring | 16:07 |
| maximov | and it isn;t directly related to CSV export | 16:07 |
| kozhukalov | remember, we are now under xenial code freeze (no mergers until freeze is lifted) | 16:07 |
| dguryanov2 | Yes, it's sort of refactoring, but it's much erasier to implement CSV with this patch | 16:08 |
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| xarses | so what do you need from the group? | 16:08 |
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| kozhukalov | refactoring is welcome, of course if you have enough time | 16:08 |
| ikutukov | Yes, without this refactoring we have all output logic melted in the @content decorator and it's hard to aply only part of the @content logic. | 16:09 |
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| dguryanov2 | kozhukalov: The patch is ready for review | 16:09 |
| maximov | ikutukov: dguryanov2 please just make sure we don't introduce any regressions, please build custom bvt and run some tests | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | second patch failed to pass pep8 | 16:10 |
| dguryanov2 | kozhukalov: I'll fix it today | 16:10 |
| ikutukov | We have a capacity reports handler with existing and very custom CSV output implementation. Does anyone know do we have to support this function or not? | 16:10 |
| ikutukov | Who use this? | 16:10 |
| kozhukalov | maximov: no need to build custom bvt, we run deployment tests on every nailgun patch | 16:11 |
| xarses | I was wondering why we support multiple output's in api too, I figured the client would convert it | 16:11 |
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| xarses | dguryanov2: what is the ask from the group here? | 16:12 |
| vkramskikh | xarses: fuel ui is another client, i don't consider a good idea to implement convertion to yaml on the client side | 16:12 |
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| dguryanov2 | xarses: just wanted to discuss implemented approach and ask to review :) | 16:13 |
| romcheg | my 50 cent is that we are about to introduce a layer violation | 16:13 |
| ikutukov | in this case we have to re-implement serialisation on each client. Moreover json->yaml->json is possible to automatically without any logic, but in many cases it is not possible to convert json(tree structure) to CSV automatically having usable output. | 16:13 |
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| ikutukov | Layer of client or Nailgun? ) | 16:14 |
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| romcheg | API is responsible for taking data from users and returning a result | 16:14 |
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| romcheg | why should it care about how user needs to convert that data? | 16:15 |
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| kozhukalov | mvc | 16:15 |
| romcheg | I remember we had a lot of problems supporting this feature in Neutron | 16:15 |
| ikutukov | because many products providing API do, we are slightly boosting integration ability with relatively no cost. | 16:16 |
| kozhukalov | why do you think it is a layer violation& | 16:16 |
| kozhukalov | why do you think it is a layer violation? | 16:16 |
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| kozhukalov | moving on? | 16:16 |
| xarses | we need to move along | 16:16 |
| maximov | ikutukov: regarding capacity report, I don't know actually, maybe we need to consider removing this capacity report feature if nobody uses it. I don't remember any feedback about it. can you send a link to this handler, just want to check? | 16:16 |
| xarses | we can discuss more in #fuel or on the ML | 16:17 |
| romcheg | kk | 16:17 |
| maximov | ok, let's move on | 16:17 |
| ikutukov | ... or moving to extension/plugin | 16:17 |
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| xarses | #topic Removing old fuel CLI (romcheg) | 16:17 |
| romcheg | lets shift that to #fuel or to the ml | 16:17 |
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| romcheg | So I've just realized I cleared my buffer so I have to type that again :) | 16:17 |
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| ikutukov | https://github.com/openstack/fuel-web/blob/acbb7370052ffb4526429b4255f26a9c13d4e7c7/nailgun/nailgun/api/v1/handlers/capacity.py#L105 | 16:18 |
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| romcheg | I would like to announce we have finally found resources to consolidate features from the old and the new CLIs | 16:18 |
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| xarses | \o/ | 16:18 |
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| kozhukalov | that is awesome | 16:19 |
| xarses | so what are the plans there? | 16:19 |
| romcheg | As the result will have 'fuel' command that will start the new cliff based application which is now available as fuel2 | 16:19 |
| romcheg | The first step is to implement several commands in fuel2 that are still missing | 16:19 |
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| romcheg | That is mostly done. The patches that are to merge are available under the deprecate_old_cli topic in Gerrit | 16:20 |
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| romcheg | I work closely with the QA team to resolve any dependencies and remove the old CLI on the next week | 16:20 |
| xarses | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:deprecate_old_cli,n,z | 16:20 |
| romcheg | xarses: thanks! | 16:21 |
| ashtokolov | romcheg: great, awesome news! Are we going to land it in 9.1? | 16:21 |
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| romcheg | ashtokolov: yes we are | 16:21 |
| ashtokolov | thanks! | 16:21 |
| maximov | romcheg: some of our users tends to use fuel client for automation purposes and their automation scripts depend on fuel cli and even depend on output of particular commands | 16:21 |
| romcheg | #note If someone has their scripts that use the old fuel command, it's time to update them | 16:21 |
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| romcheg | maximov: old fuel cli is still installable from PyPi | 16:22 |
| ashtokolov | maximov: it's a wrong approach to use CLI for it, they should use API | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | first we need to land it onto master and then onto mitaka | 16:22 |
| maximov | did we explicitly mention it in spec that old cli will be deprecated in newton ? | 16:22 |
| romcheg | there is no spec for this | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | ashtokolov: no, you are wrong | 16:22 |
| maximov | ashtokolov: we didn't document our API unfortinatly | 16:23 |
| kozhukalov | client's intent is exactly to provide python binding to API | 16:23 |
| xarses | maximov: probably not | 16:23 |
| romcheg | I mean, there is a spec, but it is old and it says that the old CLI is going to be removed soon | 16:23 |
| maximov | romcheg: we need to create spec which reflects all these details | 16:23 |
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| maximov | romcheg: ok, but if we are ready to get rid of old cli then let's have this spec "deprecation of old fuel cli" | 16:24 |
| ashtokolov | kozhukalov: the CLI output can be changed, but API should be backward compatible | 16:24 |
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| kozhukalov | yes, i mean CLI is optional, CLI itself uses python binding to API | 16:24 |
| xarses | ok, romcheg do you have good idea of the next steps? | 16:24 |
| romcheg | maximov: ok, probably it's a good idea, at least we will be able to create a table with old and new commands | 16:25 |
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| kozhukalov | yes, users should use python not shell commands if they do automation | 16:25 |
| maximov | romcheg: yes. | 16:25 |
| maximov | ashtokolov: our API is not documented so it is hard to use it | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | but not REST directly | 16:25 |
| romcheg | I will comment on API vs shell later | 16:25 |
| romcheg | re: steps | 16:25 |
| ashtokolov | maximov: that's the problem, but not the CLI backward compatibility | 16:26 |
| romcheg | Wi are trying to merge remaining patches ASAP | 16:26 |
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| romcheg | then I help the QA team to update fuel-qa and then we get rid of the old CLI | 16:26 |
| xarses | guys, let's not worry about CLI / python bindings / API users will use what they do | 16:26 |
| romcheg | in master | 16:26 |
| xarses | romcheg: we probably have to keep it for newton if we didn't mark it as deprecated | 16:27 |
| kozhukalov | romcheg only after xenial code freeze is lifted | 16:27 |
| romcheg | kozhukalov: is that code freeze relevant to python-fuelclient? | 16:27 |
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| maximov | kozhukalov: we are very close to lift freeze, I guess it will happen tomorrow | 16:27 |
| romcheg | re: API | 16:27 |
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| kozhukalov | to avoid any ambigoities, yes | 16:28 |
| romcheg | the new fuel client also provides convenient API wrapper that allows to use python-fuelclient as a library, supports parallel connections and does more useful stuff as for a library | 16:28 |
| romcheg | kozhukalov: makes sense | 16:29 |
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| romcheg | It ever supports API versioning (which is pretty useless now) :) | 16:29 |
| xarses | ok, moving on? | 16:30 |
| romcheg | +1 | 16:30 |
| xarses | #topic Discuss http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/097558.html [openstack-dev] [Fuel] It is impossible to queue UpdateDnsmasqTask (gkibardin) | 16:30 |
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| maximov | romcheg: thanks for update | 16:30 |
| gkibardin | 16:30 | |
| gkibardin | I sent this http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/097558.html some time ago but almost nobody has shown any particular interest so I've decided to bump it here. I need more input to make a decision, probably more ways to solve the problem. The option 1 is considered a mitigation not a fix. The option 4, as it turned out, doesn't work. | 16:30 |
| gkibardin | so any input is welcome | 16:31 |
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| maximov | gkibardin: can you provide example (scenario) when user can run into this issue? | 16:32 |
| xarses | delete two clusters near the same time? | 16:32 |
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| gkibardin | exactly | 16:32 |
| maximov | maybe it is easier just to prohibit deletion of two cluster in parallel | 16:33 |
| maximov | it isn't very frequent operations | 16:33 |
| gkibardin | with an error "come again later"? | 16:33 |
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| gkibardin | I agree this doesn't happen frequently | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov | maximov: that would be weird from api point of view | 16:33 |
| gkibardin | however, we may face other problems | 16:34 |
| maximov | from UI we can just show error message instantly | 16:34 |
| gkibardin | with master node tasks from different env clashing | 16:34 |
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| gkibardin | solution 1 suggest to put the second env to an error state | 16:35 |
| gkibardin | so that it could be retried later | 16:35 |
| xarses | shouldn't we just prevent the master node from running more than one task at a time | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov | maybe to update dnsmasq via dbus | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov | that would be much more reliable (no need to restart) | 16:35 |
| gkibardin | yes, it is option 2 - queue things in Nailgun | 16:36 |
| maximov | gkibardin: what if I cancel operation | 16:36 |
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| ikutukov | what queue?! | 16:36 |
| gkibardin | maximov: you mean in case it clashes with another one? | 16:37 |
| gkibardin | ikutukov: we need to either queue clashing operation or report an error | 16:38 |
| maximov | if you queue something (some task) and then you cancel deployment you should remove this task from queue | 16:38 |
| xarses | how does the flow work now? isn't the task sent to amqp and picked up by astute anyway? and astute runs in on the master node? | 16:38 |
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| gkibardin | sure | 16:38 |
| gkibardin | xarces: yes | 16:38 |
| gkibardin | but Nailgun prevent this | 16:38 |
| xarses | why? won't astute just queue it because the master executor is busy? | 16:39 |
| gkibardin | two UpdateDnsmask tasks to run at the same time | 16:39 |
| gkibardin | astute doesn't queue it, it executes them in parallel | 16:39 |
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| gkibardin | and this may cause problems | 16:40 |
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| xarses | hmm, seems that it shouldn't | 16:40 |
| maximov | what we do in UpdateDnsmask ? | 16:40 |
| maximov | exactly | 16:40 |
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| xarses | update the dhcp pool data in /etc/cobbler/dnsmasq.template | 16:40 |
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| gkibardin | yes, using puppet | 16:40 |
| gkibardin | and uploading a network list before that | 16:41 |
| xarses | based on cfg for multiple fwadmin networks | 16:41 |
| xarses | it seems like we should fix astute to be globally sensative to number of parallel execution on master node in some cases | 16:42 |
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| gkibardin | this is option 3 | 16:42 |
| xarses | and nailgun should tell astute that this task can only run one at a time | 16:42 |
| gkibardin | the only downside - it is relatively hard to implement | 16:43 |
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| gkibardin | astute spawn several workers | 16:43 |
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| gkibardin | they know nothing about each other | 16:43 |
| kozhukalov | looks like we need synchronization primitive for syncing tasks for different clusters | 16:43 |
| xarses | but we can give it this context in the deployment graph | 16:43 |
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| xarses | why cant we do that here? | 16:44 |
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| kozhukalov | like yaql | 16:44 |
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| kozhukalov | yes, i mean in graph | 16:44 |
| xarses | well, we could just send a magic cluster ID for stuff that isn't really bound to a cluster so it can sort them with out too much change | 16:45 |
| gkibardin | yes, we can mark it with some tag in a graph so that asutute queue all tasks with the same tag | 16:45 |
| gkibardin | yes, its also an option ashtokolov proposed to use cluster_id 0 | 16:46 |
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| maximov | gkibardin: ok, looks reasonable. what are drawbacks? | 16:46 |
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| gkibardin | astute gets more complicated, its workers must synchornize somehow | 16:47 |
| gkibardin | but it is feasible | 16:47 |
| ashtokolov | gkibardin: we often use cluster_id=0 in tests, so we should use it carrefully | 16:48 |
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| kozhukalov | let's use id=-1 then | 16:48 |
| maximov | ashtokolov: well, we can use -1 | 16:48 |
| gkibardin | ashtokolov: I would also think about avoiding using cluster id | 16:48 |
| gkibardin | ))) | 16:48 |
| ashtokolov | +1 to -1 ;) | 16:49 |
| gkibardin | but anyway, these are details, I like that we almost agreed on choosing at least a direction | 16:49 |
| xarses | gkibardin: so lets look more at trying to fix astute, it seems like the correct place | 16:49 |
| ikutukov | don't shift the range of identifiers, please) | 16:50 |
| xarses | moving on? | 16:50 |
| gkibardin | ikutukov: I'll try | 16:50 |
| gkibardin | yes, thanks everybody! | 16:50 |
| xarses | #topic http://bit.ly/1RD6JLR need review | 16:50 |
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| xarses | dpyzhov: is this part of your topic? | 16:51 |
| dpyzhov | nope | 16:51 |
| kozhukalov | it is mine | 16:51 |
| xarses | k | 16:51 |
| kozhukalov | it is just a link to review requests that need attention | 16:51 |
| kozhukalov | please help to review | 16:51 |
| kozhukalov | thanks | 16:51 |
| xarses | ya, there are a lot open =) | 16:52 |
| xarses | or =/ evne | 16:52 |
| xarses | even | 16:52 |
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| xarses | #topic Bugs triage for 9.1 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-9-1-bugs-triage (dpyzhov) | 16:52 |
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| dpyzhov | Guys, I'm trying to setup a flow for proposing bugs for stable/mitaka | 16:52 |
| dpyzhov | As I see we have only 7 minutes left so there is no sense to review particular bugs | 16:53 |
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| dpyzhov | let's talk about approach | 16:53 |
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| dpyzhov | I guess I can mark all product bugs with special tags and send an e-mail for discussion | 16:54 |
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| xarses | so what are we looking to do here? | 16:54 |
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| dpyzhov | and if someone have disagreements then we can find a consensus ) | 16:54 |
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| dpyzhov | What I want is to limit scope for stable/mitaka | 16:55 |
| xarses | and how much does it change if we decouple the fuel-library 9.1 release and deploy it with current master | 16:55 |
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| dpyzhov | xarses: for what reason? | 16:56 |
| kozhukalov | because we can? | 16:57 |
| xarses | because with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346143 we can | 16:57 |
| xarses | and should | 16:57 |
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| xarses | we make many releases of fuel from master | 16:57 |
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| xarses | and 9.x library release can consume what it needs | 16:58 |
| dpyzhov | I'm trying to understand how it relates to bugfix scope | 16:58 |
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| xarses | you don't backport non library fixes | 16:58 |
| xarses | you take them from master | 16:58 |
| ikutukov | But we will have chaos in tests. | 16:58 |
| xarses | why? we'd test both the mitaka library and newton | 16:59 |
| dpyzhov | xarses: so you propose to not backport any patches except library and rely on this feature? | 16:59 |
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| xarses | dpyzhov: in the long term yes, it's too late for 9.1 | 16:59 |
| * hyakuhei_ waves | 17:00 | |
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| xarses | thanks | 17:00 |
| browne | o/ | 17:00 |
| xarses | we are over time, we can discuss more on #fuel | 17:00 |
| elmiko | hi | 17:00 |
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| xarses | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 4 17:00:35 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-08-04-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-08-04-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-08-04-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei_ | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 4 17:00:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| singlethink | o/ | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei_ | hey! | 17:01 |
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| xarses | sorry guys | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei_ | no worries | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei_ | I'm expecting a quiet meeting | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei_ | Blackhat etc. | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei_ | So I guess we'll get started, any Syntribos folks around? | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei_ | Hmm, I guess not | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei_ | lhinds: you around? | 17:04 |
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| * hyakuhei_ listens for an echo | 17:04 | |
| hyakuhei_ | hey dg____ | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei_ | It's oddly quiet here, concerned the internet broke. | 17:05 |
| dg____ | are we in the wrong room or something? | 17:05 |
| elmiko | hi =) | 17:05 |
| dg____ | hey elmiko | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei_ | elmiko is here! Everything will be ok now. | 17:05 |
| elmiko | how's things on the other side of the pond? | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei_ | I'm your side atm elmiko | 17:06 |
| elmiko | ooh, interesting... ;) | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei_ | I know rite!? | 17:06 |
| elmiko | can't get enough american politics huh? | 17:06 |
| * singlethink has had enough... hyakuhei_ can take my share | 17:07 | |
| elmiko | hahaha, singlethink++ | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei_ | So I'm not sure we have enough of a quorum to follow the normal meeting agenda. | 17:07 |
| dg____ | its oddly quiet | 17:08 |
| dg____ | guess a few people are in vegas | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei_ | I think with the various conferences / things going on at the moment and the midcycle on the horizon there's not much going to happen before the summit | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei_ | s/summit/midcycle/ | 17:08 |
| dg____ | +1 | 17:08 |
| dg____ | anything you want to discuss? | 17:08 |
| dg____ | elmiko are you coming to the midcycle? | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei_ | Last chance to vote for: https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/vote-for-speakers/ | 17:09 |
| elmiko | no, i don't think so | 17:09 |
| gmurphy | how's the threat analysis stuff going dg____? | 17:09 |
| * gmurphy hides | 17:09 | |
| elmiko | i thought about trying to get clearance for some sort of last hurrah with the ossp, but it didn't quite work out | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei_ | booo. | 17:10 |
| singlethink | I just added one item under OSSNs | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei_ | Roadtrip! We'll cover food, you can stay in my bathroom :P | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei_ | #topic OSSN | 17:11 |
| elmiko | haha, brilliant! | 17:11 |
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| dg_____ | back again, sorry internets | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei_ | singlethink: could you say a bit more about NTP ? | 17:11 |
| singlethink | Ok well... we and others have been reporting a number of NTP vulnerabilities lately | 17:11 |
| singlethink | basically, there are a number of ways that (until very recently) unauthenticated attackers can change time | 17:11 |
| singlethink | or DoS ntpd | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei_ | Well NTP's insecure in general and lots of services like Swift need precise timing.... | 17:12 |
| singlethink | A number of them can be mitigated by hardening the NTP configuration | 17:12 |
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| singlethink | Would the steps to harden NTP in an OpenStack environment be an appropriate OSSN topic? Or is it too general (because there's lots of stuff that depends on NTP outside of OpenStack too) | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei_ | Tricky. So OSSN can (and do) refer to issues that underly OpenStack. | 17:14 |
| dg_____ | seems like a topic for the guide | 17:14 |
| dg_____ | at least mentioning that it should be done | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei_ | I think an OSSN would be fine. It'd have to spell out that it's not an inherent issue with OpenStack but that services can be abused by it. | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei_ | dg_____: Agree but OSSN is just easier right now, Guide is in limbo | 17:14 |
| singlethink | ack | 17:14 |
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| hyakuhei_ | Is that a fair thing to say elmiko ? | 17:14 |
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| elmiko | yeah, i think an ossn is appropriate, but ideally something in the guide would be tops in my book | 17:15 |
| gmurphy | well it seems more like OS hardening. so could be a slippery slope if we start down that path too. | 17:15 |
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| elmiko | i mean, there could be discussions of alternate ntp implementations and whatnot... | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei_ | gmurphy: I understand, but OSSN are generally driven by the authors. | 17:15 |
| singlethink | I'd be fine with either. I was trying to come up with something of reasonable scope to contribute | 17:15 |
| dg_____ | hyakuhei is that due to limboing strategy or lack of resource? | 17:16 |
| gmurphy | kk. | 17:16 |
| gmurphy | lack resource i think | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei_ | dg_____: lack of resource isn't a strategy? | 17:16 |
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| dg_____ | it is at HPE ;) | 17:16 |
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| elmiko | zing! | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei_ | Just #OpenStackThings. | 17:17 |
| singlethink | It looks like the install guides instruct users to install Chrony these days: http://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/install-guide-obs/environment-ntp.html | 17:17 |
| * hyakuhei_ takes the KB away from dg_____ for his own good | 17:17 | |
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| dg_____ | hahah thanks hyakuhei_ | 17:17 |
| dg_____ | ok guys, i have to step out early, Im going to attempt to write a section on threat analysis for the security guide before the mid-cycle | 17:18 |
| gmurphy | #link - https://github.com/viraptor/reconbf | 17:18 |
| unrahul | Guys | 17:18 |
| elmiko | dg_____: good luck, we're all counting on you | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei_ | dg_____: let me know how I can help, should have a couple of hours available next week | 17:18 |
| gmurphy | this is another tool HPE open sourced recently | 17:18 |
| unrahul | Can I do the Syntribos updates after this? | 17:19 |
| gmurphy | has some openstack scope | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei_ | Whoop, I was wondering if Recon would get open sourced. That's cool | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei_ | We should do a blog post about it. | 17:19 |
| gmurphy | thought i would throw that out there since it's about 3am in australia where stan is | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei_ | I'll draft something if others don't mind | 17:19 |
| singlethink | ohh... that looks cool | 17:19 |
| gmurphy | ping stan on it. i'm sure he'd be happy to help | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei_ | I'll stub it out, invite everyone to comment/edit as appropriate | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei_ | gmurphy: for sure | 17:20 |
| gmurphy | sounds good. he submitted a talk for the summit on it too | 17:20 |
| gmurphy | starting to add in more openstack related profiles recently etc | 17:20 |
| gmurphy | previously had been a lot of operating system type stuff | 17:20 |
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| hyakuhei_ | It's a really interesting project, very happy to see it's open source now | 17:20 |
| gmurphy | may not be the final home either. but is there for now | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei_ | Cool! | 17:21 |
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| hyakuhei_ | ok, I don't have anything else on OSSN unless you guys do? | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei_ | #topic Docs | 17:22 |
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| elmiko | docs are gewd | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei_ | So my understanding is that sicarie is moving on and elmiko will have very little time to look at docs in the future | 17:22 |
| elmiko | we need more | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei_ | ^ Crisis mode enabled. | 17:22 |
| gmurphy | soz. i just jumped the gun then. i thought you changed the topic to #openstackthings lol | 17:22 |
| elmiko | oh wow, didn't hear that about sicarie | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei_ | gmurphy: no worries | 17:22 |
| elmiko | good for him (i hope) | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei_ | So it's possible I've just told the internet something I shouldn't have but I don't think it was secret. My understanding is he's changing role and it'll be less OpenStack focussed in general | 17:23 |
| elmiko | i am cartainly willing to help transition with the docs, but i'll need live bodies | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei_ | Understood. So we need to work out how to fix this. I'll talk to the docs core | 17:23 |
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| elmiko | sounds good | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei_ | We also need to work on that open-letter/email to the ML | 17:24 |
| elmiko | fortunately, there isn't much institutional knowledge around the sec-docs. it's pretty straightforward | 17:24 |
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| hyakuhei_ | elmiko: yeah, we just have to get people involved. | 17:24 |
| elmiko | right | 17:24 |
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| hyakuhei_ | Or work out some elaborate trick to get them contributing ;) | 17:25 |
| elmiko | the scripts are all self-explanatory | 17:25 |
| elmiko | heh, i'd love to hear about said trick ;) | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei_ | Excellent. | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei_ | elmiko: think back a few years - see if you remember when it happened ;) | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei_ | #topic Midcycle | 17:25 |
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| hyakuhei_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-security-midcycle-N | 17:25 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei_: ack | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei_ | So IBM is going to sponsor the room and breakfast/lunch for Security people. I think I can swing Barbican too if that's not covered already... redrobot know what the score is there? | 17:26 |
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| hyakuhei_ | I dont' have much more to add really. We need a few more unconference topics but I think lots of the work will be sprints to tidy/clean/wrapp various projects | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei_ | Thoughts? | 17:27 |
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| elmiko | i think ibm should definitely cover breakfast for barbican, they work hard! | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei_ | totes! | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei_ | #topic Any other business | 17:29 |
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| gmurphy | (insert previous recon discussion here) | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei_ | Today is the last day of conference voting | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei_ | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/vote-for-speakers/ | 17:30 |
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| elmiko | gmurphy: what is recon? | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei_ | There's some great talks there and a few really fuddy oness. | 17:30 |
| gmurphy | elmiko: the github link from before | 17:30 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei_: any talks you want to highlight? | 17:30 |
| gmurphy | how many talks this year hyakuhei_? | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei_ | 30ish I think | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei_ | elmiko: No, can't hotlink anyway | 17:31 |
| elmiko | ack | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei_ | Will mention that using keyboard numbers and arrows is way faster for voting | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei_ | heh | 17:31 |
| elmiko | recon looks cool | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei_ | It is | 17:31 |
| unrahul | Hey hyakuhei_ I am from #Syntribos, can I update about the project after we finish up, I was running late | 17:32 |
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| hyakuhei_ | unrahul: good stuff, thanks :) | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei_ | I don't think we have any more stuff for you | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei_ | Anyone else have other business before we dive into Syntribos? | 17:33 |
| gmurphy | nopes | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei_ | #topic Syntribos | 17:33 |
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| unrahul | Thanks hyakuhei_ ! , We are working on making the internal APIs a lil better | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei_ | unrahul ^^^ | 17:34 |
| unrahul | and also, on the front end part, we were intially following uniittest results ouput | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei_ | Interesting, do you have things you want reviewing/contributing to? | 17:34 |
| unrahul | we have moved on from there and is working on making it better. | 17:35 |
| unrahul | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345286/ | 17:35 |
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| unrahul | this patch has been there for a while and is close to getting merged. but other than that we are working on multiple patches not ready for review really | 17:35 |
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| unrahul | Both ccneill and mdong are off to DEFCON so.. things are kinda slow.. | 17:35 |
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| elmiko | lucky.... | 17:36 |
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| unrahul | yeah elmiko !. | 17:36 |
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| unrahul | thats it from us.. | 17:36 |
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| hyakuhei_ | Awesome, thanks unrahul, you're doing extremely good work here, I know it's already being used internally here on at least one big project. | 17:37 |
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| hyakuhei_ | Any last minute things ? | 17:37 |
| unrahul | thanks hyakuhei_ ! it is really great to hear other projects are using it.. especially still we are in alpha. | 17:38 |
| unrahul | have fun guys! | 17:38 |
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| hyakuhei_ | #endmeeting | 17:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:38 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 4 17:38:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei_ | Thanks all! | 17:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-08-04-17.00.html | 17:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-08-04-17.00.txt | 17:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-08-04-17.00.log.html | 17:38 |
| gmurphy | laters | 17:38 |
| elmiko | thanks hyakuhei_ | 17:38 |
| singlethink | see you | 17:38 |
| elmiko | o/ | 17:38 |
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| vgridnev | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 4 18:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:00 |
| vgridnev | hello folks! | 18:00 |
| elmiko | hi | 18:00 |
| egafford | o/ | 18:01 |
| * tosky here but no here | 18:01 | |
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| tellesnobrega | o/ | 18:01 |
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| vgridnev | tosky, as a well known schrodinger's cat | 18:02 |
| vgridnev | #topic News / updates | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:04 | |
| elmiko | lol | 18:04 |
| elmiko | nothing new to report from me | 18:04 |
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| vgridnev | folks, let's vote for summit talks, voting is until Aug 8 | 18:05 |
| egafford | Documented the image gen CLI; working on (WIP at first) patch sets to generate images for Ambari, Cloudera, and MapR using it. | 18:05 |
| elmiko | vgridnev++ | 18:05 |
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| tellesnobrega | I still haven't got many reviews on the floating ips refactoring patch. egafford's one I already responded to them, but it would be nice to get some eyes there | 18:05 |
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| vgridnev | egafford, would love to see changes | 18:06 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: Me Too. | 18:06 |
| vgridnev | I'm actually working on Kerberos impl, base stuff (deploying infra is on review, cloudera support is on the way) | 18:07 |
| elmiko | sorry tellesnobrega, i didn't make it to that one. i did ping tmckay about it though | 18:07 |
| tellesnobrega | elmiko, awesome, no rush | 18:07 |
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| vgridnev | can't find NikitaKonovalov at the meeting (probably he is celebrating birthday) but he was working on boot from volume support (spec is on review) and some internal stuff | 18:09 |
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| elmiko | happy birthday NikitaKonovalov ! | 18:09 |
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| tellesnobrega | happy bday to him, i will try to take a look on the spec today | 18:09 |
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| vgridnev | #topic Boot from Volume | 18:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Boot from Volume (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:11 | |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349516/ | 18:11 |
| vgridnev | let's review this spec, it's quite short actually | 18:11 |
| elmiko | ack, looking | 18:12 |
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| elmiko | that seems reasonable to me | 18:15 |
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| tellesnobrega | to me too | 18:16 |
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| egafford | +1 | 18:16 |
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| vgridnev | that is cool. will approve that after the meeting then | 18:18 |
| egafford | I think we're done, actually. That was indeed quick. | 18:18 |
| egafford | :) | 18:18 |
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| elmiko | brb | 18:19 |
| vgridnev | elmiko, do we need to api v2, just interesting? I think that we can move that to backlog until the summit | 18:19 |
| elmiko | yeah, backlog sounds appropriate | 18:20 |
| vgridnev | ok | 18:21 |
| vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 18:21 |
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| elmiko | sorry, i wish i had more time for it | 18:21 |
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| tosky | if you noticed, I'm investigating the status of embedded jats | 18:22 |
| tosky | jars* | 18:22 |
| vgridnev | elmiko, I think that we need to collect everything about that, describe some tasks, and move that for outreachy team | 18:22 |
| vgridnev | is it possible? | 18:22 |
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| vgridnev | tosky, I noticed | 18:23 |
| elmiko | definitely possible, the wiki page and spec describe all the work | 18:23 |
| tosky | there is an old bug from debian, and also RDO packagers requwsted details | 18:23 |
| tosky | so expect some questions :( | 18:23 |
| tosky | :) | 18:23 |
| tosky | like "where did it get this from" | 18:24 |
| tosky | eom | 18:24 |
| egafford | tosky: Is it evil in packaging-land to have a .jar with the source embedded in it? | 18:24 |
| vgridnev | elmiko, do you know some contacts to reach that? probably if we will write something to ML we will get some response about that | 18:24 |
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| egafford | Our .jars only have the .class files, but you can easily build .jars with .java source as well. | 18:24 |
| egafford | (I figure it's probably still evil and we should just build from source like real people, but.) | 18:25 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: contacts for outreachy? | 18:25 |
| tosky | it is, it should all buildable from sources | 18:25 |
| vgridnev | elmiko, yes | 18:25 |
| tosky | anyway, I will document them to start | 18:25 |
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| vgridnev | tosky, wrapper #1 https://github.com/openstack/sahara-extra/tree/master/edp-adapt-for-spark | 18:26 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: 1sec | 18:26 |
| tosky | that was easy | 18:26 |
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| vgridnev | tosky, wrapper #2 https://github.com/openstack/sahara-extra/tree/master/edp-adapt-for-oozie | 18:26 |
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| tosky | I was hunting the source for upstran hadoop examples | 18:26 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: i would start here https://gnome.org/outreachy/ | 18:26 |
| elmiko | and then https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/outreachy-list | 18:27 |
| elmiko | also, vkmc was my main contact for working with the outreachy group | 18:27 |
| egafford | tosky: Never say "that was easy" if someone points you to a repo with a pom.xml file. :) | 18:27 |
| egafford | (Though these are really simple Maven projects, admittedly.) | 18:27 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: one more link, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Outreachy | 18:28 |
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| vgridnev | find source of truth for jobs is much harder task | 18:30 |
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| egafford | elmiko: Yeah, I should ping vkmc about getting involved in Outreachy. | 18:34 |
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| egafford | It'd be good to bring more interns in, for suure. | 18:34 |
| elmiko | definitely, she is absolutely top notch | 18:35 |
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| vgridnev | tosky, do you think that we have to put source of jars in tree of sahara? | 18:38 |
| vgridnev | and sahara-tests | 18:38 |
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| vgridnev | there are probably some issues with that for sahara-tests, we are using a udf jar (user defined functions for pig), I think that is not so good | 18:39 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: For packaging purposes, we'd probably want to package the java packages separately and make them dependencies (the specs would be quite simple.) | 18:40 |
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| elmiko | i have to step away | 18:40 |
| tosky | we have some of the sources, we should have all | 18:41 |
| tosky | and an easy way to build then | 18:41 |
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| egafford | tosky: Are you imagining we'd want to embed the java source in the Sahara repo? | 18:43 |
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| tosky | or sahara-extra maybe it's enough; not sure yet | 18:44 |
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| vgridnev | I think that we can put that to sahara extra, and prepare script for building | 18:44 |
| egafford | Agreed; it feels less awful to embed Java trees in sahara-extra than sahara. | 18:45 |
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| vgridnev | that is possible, except for hadoop-mapreduce-examples-2.6.0.jar and udf.jar for sahara-tests, I think | 18:45 |
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| vgridnev | we also can create a publisher which will be building that and will collect that at tarballs.openstack.org | 18:47 |
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| tosky | could be a good idea | 18:48 |
| vgridnev | so, let's create a final plan. | 18:49 |
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| vgridnev | collect code from jars as much as possible at sahara-extra | 18:49 |
| vgridnev | setup building scripts for those | 18:49 |
| vgridnev | setup publishers | 18:50 |
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| tosky | good :) | 18:51 |
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| egafford | Sounds like the plan. | 18:51 |
| vgridnev | create a config option for sahara for placing jars files (so that sahara will know to get those) | 18:51 |
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| egafford | Packagers can go straight to the build scripts from sahara-extra. | 18:52 |
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| vgridnev | or we can specify a url where to get them | 18:53 |
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| vgridnev | for hadoop-mapreduce-examples-X.jar I think we can consume a jar from instances (I will be on all installations, sahara-tests can do so) | 18:54 |
| vgridnev | (I will be -> it will be) | 18:55 |
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| tosky | if there is on the instance, yes, use that | 18:56 |
| vgridnev | we can put that to hdfs to some location and then pass that as a job binary | 18:56 |
| egafford | vgridnev on all installations would be a significant feature. :p | 18:56 |
| vgridnev | :) | 18:56 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: But yeah, for the mapreduce-eamples I think it's ok to use a URL in the main case (since we're consuming the publication artifacts of another OSS process, and we don't need it in the production workflow case.) | 18:57 |
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| vgridnev | egafford, yep. we can try to search that on instance, and if failed, get that from url | 18:58 |
| * egafford could be wrong, but maintaining our own effective fork of the hadoop examples seems totally unnecessary. Yup, that fallthrough makes sense. | 18:59 | |
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| egafford | Give people an extension point (one they'll probably never use, but.) | 18:59 |
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| tosky | also for swiftfs, it would be nice to remerge, but that's a more complicated story | 19:00 |
| vgridnev | ok, we are out of time, thanks folks | 19:00 |
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| egafford | o/ | 19:00 |
| vgridnev | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 4 19:00:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-08-04-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| tenobreg | thanks o/ | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-08-04-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-08-04-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
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