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| toabctl | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 14 13:00:38 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is toabctl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:00 |
| toabctl | ping dirk toabctl IgorYozhikov number80 | 13:00 |
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| toabctl | #chair number80 | 13:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: number80 toabctl | 13:00 |
| toabctl | #chair dirk | 13:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dirk number80 toabctl | 13:01 |
| dirk | o/ | 13:01 |
| aplanas | hi | 13:01 |
| toabctl | hey | 13:01 |
| toabctl | please add your agenda points as usual to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:01 |
| mivanov | hi folks | 13:01 |
| jruzicka | o/ | 13:02 |
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| toabctl | #topic Specs with patches, support by CI. | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs with patches, support by CI. (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:03 | |
| toabctl | who proposed that? | 13:03 |
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| dirk | maybe me | 13:03 |
| dirk | not remember | 13:04 |
| number80 | o/ | 13:04 |
| dirk | this was a fallout of the python-keystoneclient discussion | 13:04 |
| number80 | i think it's from mivanov | 13:04 |
| dirk | there was a bug in the release we wanted to update to that was fixed in git but not in the release | 13:04 |
| dirk | so we wanted to discuss how to add a patch to the .spec.j2 template | 13:04 |
| dirk | this was resolved by updating to a newer version of keystoneclient | 13:04 |
| number80 | (sorry,it's national holiday here, so I'm sitting between army folks :) ) | 13:04 |
| dirk | but the problem might come back | 13:04 |
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| * dirk also sits in another meeting and might become unresponsive | 13:05 | |
| toabctl | should we just postpone the topic? | 13:05 |
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| number80 | yup, nothing to say about it | 13:05 |
| toabctl | I agree that we need a solution for that but it seems it's not urgent currently | 13:05 |
| dirk | wfm | 13:06 |
| number80 | *nods* | 13:06 |
| toabctl | #agreed postpone patch support topic | 13:06 |
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| toabctl | #topic Next steps for common upstream binary package building (review status) | 13:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Next steps for common upstream binary package building (review status) (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:06 | |
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| toabctl | again, no idea who proposed it | 13:06 |
| number80 | wasn't that dirk? (according colors) | 13:06 |
| toabctl | number80, so all colors are from dirk? :) | 13:06 |
| dirk | number80: postpone | 13:07 |
| dirk | I did not have tiem to look at the state of building packages in the gate | 13:07 |
| number80 | salmon red is dirk, rose is mivanov, I'm weird green | 13:07 |
| toabctl | ok | 13:07 |
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| number80 | ack | 13:07 |
| toabctl | #topic Logo Mascot status + submission (see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging-logo-ideas ) | 13:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Logo Mascot status + submission (see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging-logo-ideas ) (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:07 | |
| toabctl | dirk, again, you | 13:08 |
| dirk | yes | 13:08 |
| dirk | so this was announced | 13:08 |
| dirk | http://www.openstack.org/project-mascots | 13:08 |
| dirk | there is a video in there that explains everything | 13:08 |
| dirk | we still need to submit our mascot idea | 13:09 |
| toabctl | #link http://www.openstack.org/project-mascots | 13:09 |
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| toabctl | I haven't looked into it yet. | 13:10 |
| dirk | deadline is july 27th | 13:10 |
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| dirk | it is also about t-shirts, which I really like | 13:10 |
| dirk | how do we want to move forward? | 13:10 |
| toabctl | so postpone this topic, too? maybe we find time this week to collect ideas? | 13:10 |
| dirk | separate session with brainstorming? with video/audio? | 13:11 |
| dirk | or email thread? | 13:11 |
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| toabctl | dirk, can you start an email thread about it? | 13:13 |
| dirk | ok | 13:13 |
| dirk | #action dirk start mailthread on mascot | 13:13 |
| toabctl | #topic Adjust Gerrit so that 2 × V+1 are required, so that we make sure every CI system built and published packages. | 13:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adjust Gerrit so that 2 × V+1 are required, so that we make sure every CI system built and published packages. (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:14 | |
| toabctl | dirk again? | 13:14 |
| dirk | don't think so | 13:14 |
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| dirk | this is mivanov from the color | 13:14 |
| dirk | but I can summarize it if mivanov isn't around | 13:14 |
| mivanov | but i didn't add this or any other topic for today | 13:15 |
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| toabctl | mivanov, maybe from last week? | 13:15 |
| jruzicka | so it's an anonymous stranger | 13:15 |
| toabctl | :) | 13:15 |
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| mivanov | didn't think so :) | 13:15 |
| mivanov | because i skip previous meeting | 13:16 |
| number80 | no, it;s mivanov again | 13:16 |
| dirk | anyway so the issue is/was that toabctl iirc approved a patch before fuel ci found the review | 13:16 |
| number80 | ah yeah | 13:16 |
| dirk | so on merge the built packages were not "published" to the tree and were missing from future gate checks | 13:16 |
| dirk | so I think its just a reminder for core people to not workflow+1 patches that do not have all external gates result reported successfully | 13:17 |
| dirk | plus the usual 2x +2 | 13:17 |
| number80 | #info core should pay attention to 3rd party CI results before +W | 13:17 |
| toabctl | ack | 13:17 |
| dirk | I don't know of a good way to enforce checks being reported | 13:17 |
| number80 | I think we should add 3rd CI contacts on the wiki | 13:18 |
| toabctl | I think there are. | 13:18 |
| dirk | I guess we need to add it to the approval queue instead of the check queue only going forward | 13:18 |
| number80 | well, 3rd party CI are still immature, but we should start working on promoting them to voting gates | 13:19 |
| dirk | related tot hat there was my thought of upgrading our existing gates as voting | 13:19 |
| toabctl | number80, it's linked here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Rpm-packaging | 13:19 |
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| number80 | Yeah, I meant human contacts like mivanov | 13:19 |
| dirk | number80: well, iirc adding them to the approval queue is a 2nd step | 13:20 |
| number80 | *nods* | 13:20 |
| dirk | we could label the current ones as voting (it only causes the jenkins +1 to turn into a -1 I think) | 13:20 |
| dirk | imho we should be doing that at some point | 13:20 |
| dirk | it feels to me like that the suse ci is almost there for that, just too slow right now | 13:20 |
| dirk | but we could postpone that when we have usptream building | 13:21 |
| toabctl | I'm fine with our current process for now. | 13:21 |
| number80 | Yes, I don't think we're too far from getting them "mature" | 13:21 |
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| toabctl | next topic? | 13:22 |
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| dirk | +1 | 13:22 |
| toabctl | #topic Refreshed stable/mitaka templates | 13:22 |
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| toabctl | number80, I guess it's your topic? | 13:22 |
| number80 | I noticed that they didn't build in CI | 13:22 |
| number80 | so two changes: 1. old pypi url 2. not in sync w/ renderspec changes | 13:23 |
| number80 | and few refresh specs on top | 13:23 |
| dirk | number80: yeah, thanks for taking care of that | 13:23 |
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| dirk | I'm still digesting the list of open reviews | 13:23 |
| toabctl | the SUSE CI is broken for the stable/mitaka branch. I'll try to fix that soon | 13:23 |
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| dirk | I blacklisted suse ci to not report false status on stable/mitaka | 13:23 |
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| dirk | so for now feel free to ignore that, although we're going to fix that soon | 13:23 |
| toabctl | #action toabctl fix SUSE CI for stable branches | 13:24 |
| dirk | (e.g. it is not going to show up as checker for stable/mitaka reviews) | 13:24 |
| number80 | I don't mind waiting a bit, we need to improve our workflow as well, so it could be a good test case for that :) | 13:24 |
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| dirk | ok | 13:25 |
| toabctl | next? | 13:25 |
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| dirk | +1 | 13:25 |
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| number80 | ok | 13:25 |
| toabctl | #topic packages reviews | 13:25 |
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| toabctl | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open | 13:26 |
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| toabctl | anything anybody wants to highlight? | 13:26 |
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| aplanas | maybe that pbr doesn't require devel and setuptools afaics? | 13:27 |
| toabctl | aplanas, I think centos/rhel require setuptools in addition to pbr | 13:28 |
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| number80 | just a question, I have this feedback from suse CI "nothing provides python-urllib3" | 13:28 |
| number80 | does it have a different name? | 13:28 |
| dirk | no | 13:28 |
| dirk | we jsut don"t have it in the build environment | 13:28 |
| number80 | ah ok | 13:28 |
| dirk | because we use python-requests | 13:28 |
| dirk | I am not sure how to mvoe forward with this to be honest | 13:28 |
| number80 | well, the previous patchset had only requests | 13:29 |
| toabctl | dirk, we can just add it | 13:29 |
| dirk | yeah | 13:29 |
| dirk | done | 13:29 |
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| toabctl | dirk, heh. I was 2 seconds to slow :) | 13:29 |
| number80 | I don't mind, in pratice, requests maintainers forces us to ship the same version of urllib3 than bundled in requests or bundle it | 13:29 |
| dirk | to be honest I would remove urllib3 from the spec file though | 13:30 |
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| dirk | since its an implementation detail of requests from my perspective | 13:30 |
| toabctl | no. it's explicitly used in the code | 13:30 |
| number80 | in pratice, yes | 13:30 |
| dirk | but I guess we have to discuss that in the review | 13:30 |
| toabctl | there is a "import urllib3" | 13:30 |
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| number80 | *nods* | 13:30 |
| number80 | let's postpone that discussion | 13:31 |
| toabctl | +1 | 13:31 |
| number80 | and leave it as-is | 13:31 |
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| toabctl | anything else? | 13:31 |
| dirk | not from me | 13:32 |
| toabctl | #topic pymod2pkg reviews | 13:32 |
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| toabctl | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/pymod2pkg+status:open | 13:32 |
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| toabctl | oh. there is nothing | 13:32 |
| toabctl | #topic renderspec reviews | 13:32 |
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| toabctl | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/renderspec+status:open | 13:32 |
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| * number80 has to go, it's raining | 13:33 | |
| toabctl | number80, for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332265/, a test case would be good | 13:33 |
| toabctl | ok. I'll add it as a comment | 13:33 |
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| toabctl | #topic open discussion | 13:34 |
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| toabctl | anything else to discuss? | 13:34 |
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| mivanov | yes, one question | 13:35 |
| toabctl | go ahead | 13:35 |
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| mivanov | do i understand correctly, that we change "group:" to development/languages/python in all specs? | 13:36 |
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| toabctl | mivanov, I think that's what dirk proposed. isn't that working for you? | 13:37 |
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| mivanov | no, it's ok | 13:37 |
| toabctl | ok. great | 13:38 |
| mivanov | I just want to update it once, but not a dozen patches :) | 13:38 |
| mivanov | thank you | 13:38 |
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| dirk | mivanov: the main requirement is for stupid reasons we need to have Group: in the main package still | 13:39 |
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| dirk | it is currently not consistent | 13:39 |
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| toabctl | so any last topic? | 13:40 |
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| toabctl | thanks everybody | 13:41 |
| toabctl | #endmeeting | 13:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 14 13:41:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-07-14-13.00.html | 13:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-07-14-13.00.txt | 13:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-07-14-13.00.log.html | 13:41 |
| dirk | thx toabctl | 13:41 |
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| m3m0 | #startmeeting freezer | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 14 14:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is m3m0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:00 |
| yangyapeng | hello | 14:00 |
| m3m0 | hello everyone, who is here for the freezer meeting? | 14:00 |
| domhnallw | o/ | 14:00 |
| yangyapeng | hello m3m0 | 14:00 |
| m3m0 | yangyapeng: hi, could you add the pending reviews that you have in here please? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:00 |
| timothyb89 | hello all | 14:01 |
| thatsdone | o/ | 14:01 |
| yangyapeng | OK | 14:01 |
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| m3m0 | let's give 3 more minutes for people to join, is that ok? | 14:01 |
| ddieterly | o/ | 14:01 |
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| daemontool | o/ | 14:02 |
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| slashme | o/ | 14:04 |
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| m3m0 | #topic Freezer mascot : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_mascot | 14:04 |
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| m3m0 | slashme: would you like to comment on this? | 14:05 |
| slashme | Yes | 14:05 |
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| slashme | The OpenStack foundation is going to create mascot (logos) for each OpenStack project | 14:05 |
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| slashme | We need to provide some suggestion on what we would like it to be | 14:05 |
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| daemontool | I did it :) | 14:06 |
| slashme | It can be an animal or something natural | 14:06 |
| daemontool | ++ for the idea | 14:06 |
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| slashme | They will review our suggestions and we will vote on our favourite afterwards | 14:06 |
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| slashme | Please heads to that etherpad to give your opinion | 14:07 |
| slashme | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_mascot | 14:07 |
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| slashme | Don't forget to add your name in the participants list (not in the menu) so we can track vote | 14:08 |
| domhnallw | One of the rules is that it can't be man-made... does an ice cube count as man-made? | 14:08 |
| ddieterly | what the heck is a 'floe' | 14:08 |
| domhnallw | I big block of floating ice | 14:08 |
| domhnallw | s/I/A/g | 14:08 |
| slashme | We will propose multiple ideas and we will see what feedback we get | 14:09 |
| domhnallw | Either way it's something with not a whole pile of recognizability - if anything you'll look at it and think "iceberg" or just "ice". | 14:09 |
| slashme | I know we already have a logo, but I also think it is good to get some uniformisation of the OpenStack branf | 14:09 |
| m3m0 | #action, update https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_mascot with your suggestion and name | 14:09 |
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| m3m0 | #topic Midcycle meetup tomorrow : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_midcycle_meetup_newton. | 14:10 |
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| domhnallw | Is there anyone who isn't already on the list who thinks they can attend, either physically or (more likely) virtually? | 14:11 |
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| timothyb89 | I will be around in the morning at least (Colorado time) | 14:12 |
| domhnallw | You're seven hours behind, right? | 14:13 |
| domhnallw | It's 08:13 there? | 14:13 |
| timothyb89 | Right, yup | 14:14 |
| domhnallw | You'll catch the tail end so. | 14:15 |
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| m3m0 | slashme what time it starts tomorrow? | 14:15 |
| timothyb89 | I will try to match ddieterly's schedule tomorrow, at any rate | 14:15 |
| domhnallw | 10AM on the etherpad. | 14:15 |
| domhnallw | That's 3AM Colorado time :( | 14:15 |
| timothyb89 | indeed it is :/ | 14:15 |
| m3m0 | domhnallw: thanks | 14:16 |
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| slashme | It will be starting at 10AM our time. We will keep the most important subjects for our afternoon so you can attend | 14:16 |
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| domhnallw | So we have people at -07:00, +01:00 and +02:00 that I know about. At that rate, around this time of day seems to be the best overlap. | 14:16 |
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| domhnallw | ^^^ all times relative to Irish time as it's the venue. | 14:17 |
| slashme | Is it okay if I put most important subjects from 15:00 GMT+1 to 17:00 GMT+1 | 14:17 |
| slashme | ? | 14:17 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:17 |
| domhnallw | I think that only makes sense. | 14:17 |
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| m3m0 | ok, is there anything that we should discuss about this? | 14:19 |
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| m3m0 | if not can we move forward? | 14:19 |
| domhnallw | Unless figuring out which issues is a priority is something slashme needs help with? | 14:20 |
| domhnallw | s/is/are | 14:20 |
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| slashme | I think we are okay to move forward | 14:20 |
| m3m0 | #topic Nova and cinder backups review | 14:21 |
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| m3m0 | ok, we've been having issues with users reporting nova and cinder backups are not working | 14:21 |
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| m3m0 | this relates a bit with backup of vm's but let's go step by step | 14:22 |
| m3m0 | has anyone been working on nova or cinder lately/ | 14:22 |
| m3m0 | ? | 14:22 |
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| ddieterly | m3m0 what users? | 14:22 |
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| daemontool | ddieterly, does that makes any difference? the point is that cinder and nova backups does not work | 14:23 |
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| daemontool | athinkingmeat if I remembe rwell is one of the users | 14:23 |
| ddieterly | yes, it does make a difference. if it is hpe people, then we should have internal bugs filed. | 14:24 |
| daemontool | or somethind like that | 14:24 |
| EinstCrazy_ | ping yangyapeng iceyao liudan | 14:24 |
| yangyapeng | backup or restore ? | 14:24 |
| daemontool | ddieterly, well then please discuss that | 14:24 |
| daemontool | internally in hpe | 14:24 |
| ddieterly | we also need to know what release | 14:24 |
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| m3m0 | yangyapeng: backup | 14:24 |
| ddieterly | we also need to know if it is just one user or many | 14:24 |
| ddieterly | all this info helps us understand the issue | 14:24 |
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| daemontool | the issue is the cinder and nova backups are not working :) | 14:25 |
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| daemontool | so we are also doing tests in the lab for freezer | 14:25 |
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| daemontool | setting up the infrastructure | 14:25 |
| ddieterly | what lab? | 14:25 |
| daemontool | so we could also verify next week | 14:25 |
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| daemontool | a lab in bangalore | 14:25 |
| daemontool | does that make any difference_ | 14:25 |
| daemontool | ? | 14:25 |
| yangyapeng | now I foucs on cindernative backup , I should test nova and cinder | 14:25 |
| ddieterly | yes, it gives us context to the issue | 14:26 |
| daemontool | ok, a lab in bangalore :) | 14:26 |
| ddieterly | is there a launchpad bug filed for these issues? | 14:26 |
| m3m0 | the situation here is, freezer has been advertised as a backup and restore as a service, which in really is not that, so in order to make that happen we need 2 thins: multitenancy support and nova-cinder backups working | 14:26 |
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| EinstCrazy_ | but， our patches about them are hardly to get review | 14:27 |
| m3m0 | my question here is, who else has priorities on this issues that would like to work on it? | 14:27 |
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| m3m0 | EinstCrazy_: could you please add them here? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:27 |
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| m3m0 | tomorrow we will dedicated time for this, and working on a better way to review patches | 14:28 |
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| daemontool | m3m0, I think the features are there for baas | 14:28 |
| yangyapeng | best idea review patch soon | 14:28 |
| m3m0 | not all of them | 14:28 |
| daemontool | I agree | 14:28 |
| domhnallw | Also, please mark your reviews with your name so that we know who's who (the name-colour association disappears when you leave Etherpad) | 14:28 |
| daemontool | but the feedback is as far as I can understand, what we have does not work now | 14:29 |
| m3m0 | nova, cinder, horizon | 14:29 |
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| EinstCrazy_ | but etherpad only works one time a week | 14:29 |
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| m3m0 | EinstCrazy_: you don't have access to etherpad? | 14:29 |
| domhnallw | I think the meaning is that people are only looking at it once a week, around now :) | 14:29 |
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| m3m0 | yes yes, I agree with you, so I would like to propose a new way for this | 14:30 |
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| m3m0 | * for doing this * | 14:30 |
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| m3m0 | I'll share that next week, I don't have any idea right now :P | 14:31 |
| m3m0 | but definitely we need to change something | 14:31 |
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| domhnallw | I don't think a lot of the people who are down in the OpenStack wiki as being "core team" are really looking at freezer right now, that might be part of the problem. | 14:32 |
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| m3m0 | that's something we can discuss | 14:33 |
| domhnallw | Yup. | 14:33 |
| m3m0 | slashme ^^ | 14:33 |
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| slashme | We are going to do some cleaning in the core team in the next few weeks. | 14:33 |
| m3m0 | where is the etherpad for tomorrow? can someone provide me the link? | 14:33 |
| domhnallw | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_midcycle_meetup_newton | 14:34 |
| slashme | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_midcycle_meetup_newton | 14:34 |
| domhnallw | snap :P | 14:34 |
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| slashme | Grrrrr | 14:34 |
| slashme | ;) | 14:34 |
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| m3m0 | ok, we will discuss tomorrow cinder and nova with more depth | 14:35 |
| m3m0 | is that ok? | 14:35 |
| domhnallw | Yup. | 14:35 |
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| m3m0 | which I think this summarize the next topic | 14:36 |
| m3m0 | #Backup as a Service | 14:36 |
| m3m0 | #topic Backup as a Service | 14:36 |
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| m3m0 | this is priority for the community | 14:36 |
| slashme | And for many customers | 14:36 |
| m3m0 | but so far, there not that many people working on this, would someone like to work on it? | 14:37 |
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| ddieterly | m3m0 for the record what does that entail? | 14:37 |
| domhnallw | ^^^ this | 14:37 |
| m3m0 | the ability to create backups and restore of machines at tenant level | 14:38 |
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| m3m0 | so we can delegate the backups to the admin or any user of a tenant, rather than just backup of the infra | 14:38 |
| daemontool | EinstCrazy_, yangyapeng are working on it | 14:38 |
| daemontool | ddieterly, backup tenants data and metadata | 14:39 |
| ddieterly | thanks | 14:39 |
| m3m0 | perfect, I'll find the patches and prioritize the reviews and testing | 14:39 |
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| slashme | We also need the integration of oslo policy | 14:39 |
| slashme | szaher has been working on it | 14:39 |
| slashme | This will allow freezer objects to be treated as common openstack objects | 14:39 |
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| slashme | Like an admin of a tenant can access all backups made in that tenant | 14:40 |
| slashme | Right now everithing is only user based | 14:40 |
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| m3m0 | daemontool: could you help me re-review this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238969/4 :P | 14:41 |
| m3m0 | ok, can we move forward? | 14:42 |
| m3m0 | #topic Horizon status | 14:43 |
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| m3m0 | this repo has been forgotten for a while now :P does anyone with django exprience want to contribute | 14:43 |
| m3m0 | ? | 14:43 |
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| timothyb89 | that's potentially something I could look into | 14:44 |
| m3m0 | the focus should be made in how to deploy it better | 14:44 |
| daemontool | m3m0, yes | 14:44 |
| domhnallw | Ditto. I used to do some Pylons/Pyramid stuff back in the day, so Django shouldn't be rocket science. | 14:44 |
| m3m0 | timothyb89: that could be really great | 14:44 |
| slashme | Very good news :) | 14:44 |
| daemontool | m3m0, cheeky monkey >) | 14:45 |
| m3m0 | right now most of the issues are at the deployment level and some minor while catching errors and providing bad error messages | 14:45 |
| timothyb89 | are issues with the ui filed at bugs.launchpad.net/freezer or does it have its own tracker somewhere? | 14:45 |
| m3m0 | right now is on the same, but does it make sense to split it? | 14:46 |
| timothyb89 | I don't have an opinion, just making sure I know where to look :) | 14:46 |
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| slashme | One tracker per project | 14:47 |
| domhnallw | Where's the repo for the web ui? | 14:47 |
| slashme | Not per component | 14:47 |
| slashme | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/freezer-web-ui | 14:47 |
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| domhnallw | Thanks slashme | 14:48 |
| m3m0 | BTW | 14:48 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/freezer-api++status:open | 14:48 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/freezer++status:open | 14:48 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-freezerclient++status:open | 14:48 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/freezer-web-ui+status:open | 14:48 |
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| m3m0 | boom | 14:48 |
| m3m0 | domhnallw: github.com/openstack/freezer-web-ui | 14:48 |
| m3m0 | as well | 14:48 |
| m3m0 | if you would like to contribute to the ui, let me know I can provide help for it | 14:49 |
| domhnallw | Cheers, must have mistyped that when I tried it :) | 14:49 |
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| domhnallw | Okay. | 14:49 |
| m3m0 | can we move forward? | 14:49 |
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| m3m0 | #topic Newton beta2 release | 14:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Newton beta2 release (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:50 | |
| slashme | Milestone 2 for the Newton release cycle was yesterday. | 14:50 |
| slashme | As so, we release freezer v3.0.0 beta2 | 14:50 |
| slashme | Corresponding packages for freezer, freezer-api and freezer-web-ui have been uploaded to PyPI | 14:50 |
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| m3m0 | what about python-freezerclient? | 14:50 |
| slashme | It has another release schedule | 14:50 |
| slashme | Independant | 14:50 |
| slashme | We will release it very soon | 14:51 |
| m3m0 | ok, 'cause that is blocking us to move to that library | 14:51 |
| m3m0 | is there anything else you would like to share about this topic? | 14:51 |
| domhnallw | m3m0, Is there something I can read about that? | 14:51 |
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| m3m0 | what exactly? | 14:52 |
| domhnallw | What's blocking what? | 14:52 |
| domhnallw | What it is about the client that's problematic. | 14:52 |
| m3m0 | python-freezerclient should be added to the global-requirements in order to add it to the scheduler and ui | 14:52 |
| m3m0 | we need to install it from pip | 14:53 |
| domhnallw | Okay. | 14:53 |
| domhnallw | Thanks. | 14:53 |
| m3m0 | #topic Freezer talks in Barcelona | 14:53 |
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| m3m0 | who's going to see meesi? | 14:54 |
| slashme | As far as I know, two talks hve been submited : | 14:54 |
| slashme | Freezer Bootcamp / Presenters: Deklan, Arun and myself. | 14:54 |
| slashme | Freezer: What's new? Plugins and Deduplication! / Presenters: Guillermo and myself. | 14:54 |
| slashme | Anyone else submited a talk ? | 14:54 |
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| m3m0 | apparently no one else | 14:55 |
| domhnallw | Nope. | 14:56 |
| domhnallw | How long before you know if you've gotten approval? | 14:56 |
| m3m0 | ok, we cover all the topics, does anyone has anything to say? | 14:56 |
| m3m0 | first we need to vote for them :) | 14:56 |
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| m3m0 | as soon as the voting is open I'll send the link :) | 14:56 |
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| m3m0 | ok I think we can close the meeting | 14:57 |
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| m3m0 | thanks all | 14:57 |
| slashme | Thank you m3m0 | 14:57 |
| domhnallw | Thanks. | 14:57 |
| m3m0 | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 14 14:57:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-07-14-14.00.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-07-14-14.00.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-07-14-14.00.log.html | 14:57 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 14 15:00:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:01 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:01 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:01 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:01 |
| ganso | hello | 15:01 |
| xyang | hi | 15:01 |
| aovchinnikov | hi | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:01 |
| zhongjun_ | hello | 15:01 |
| jseiler | hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
| tpsilva | hello | 15:01 |
| dustins | \o | 15:01 |
| MikeG451 | Hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #topic N-2 milestone | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "N-2 milestone (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| markstur_ | hello | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | So we can't wait any longer to tag the milestone | 15:02 |
| bswartz | there were are few patches I was hoping we could get in before the tag, but it looks like they won't | 15:02 |
| bswartz | does anyone have anything they're still hoping to merge before we tag N-2? | 15:02 |
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| markstur_ | nothing that can't wait for N-2+x | 15:03 |
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| * bswartz hears crickets | 15:03 | |
| bswartz | okay then | 15:03 |
| markstur_ | Seems hardly anyone is here today | 15:04 |
| tpsilva | I have a patch ready for merge | 15:04 |
| bswartz | expect current branch HEADS to be tagged -- please don't workflow anything else until the tags are made | 15:04 |
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| tpsilva | I am on mobile, so ganso could look for the link for me | 15:04 |
| bswartz | markstur_: that's because you came in late | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | :-p | 15:04 |
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| ganso | #link https://review.openstack.org/336138 | 15:05 |
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| tpsilva | ganso: thanks | 15:05 |
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| markstur_ | oh. I was actually early but there was a disconnect. Didn't realize I missed stuff. | 15:05 |
| cknight | I'd like to review that patch before we merge it, please. | 15:06 |
| bswartz | cknight: will you have time for that after the meeting? | 15:06 |
| bswartz | wait cknight aren't you on vacation? | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | also no real need to hurry merge it in N-2 | 15:06 |
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| cknight | bswartz: No, it'll be tomorrow. Anything pulled directly from Cinder is automatically suspect. | 15:06 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | cknight: +1 )) | 15:07 |
| bswartz | I'm hearing that it doesn't need to be in N-2 and some people still want to review it | 15:07 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: it doesn't because nothing is going to use it | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | #topic Managing initial security (of the root directory) for new shares | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: in scope of N-2 code base | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | so this probably matters more for CIFS than NFS, but it affects NFS too | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | currently we leave this out of scope for Manila, but I have a feeling that will create problems | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | it certainly created problems for me when testing the docker cifs driver | 15:09 |
| bswartz | the basic problem is that every share, even though it starts empty, still has a directory in it | 15:09 |
| bswartz | and that directory has an owner and mode bits | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | or ACLs for you windows people | 15:09 |
| ganso | bswartz: /home directory? | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | ganso: I'm talking about / | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | the permissions on the root of a share determine who can mount (in the case of CIFS) and who can add/delete files in the share | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | in the NFS world the traditional approach to solving this is to make sure at least one client has root permissions (no root squash) so he can change the values to what he wants | 15:11 |
| bswartz | the disadvantage is that requires users to grant root access to at least one client for a least some time which might be unwanted step in their workflow | 15:12 |
| bswartz | and on the CIFS side it's worse because there is no "root" who can assume this function | 15:12 |
| bswartz | so it occurs to me that maybe Manila should solve this problem for our users | 15:13 |
| ganso | bswartz: if we changed NFS to be "no_root_squash" by default wouldn't it make sense to do the same for CIFS? | 15:13 |
| bswartz | ganso: CIFS has no such concept | 15:13 |
| ganso | bswartz: current behavior in CIFS is what we previously had with "root_squash" in NFS | 15:13 |
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| ganso | bswartz: it has the concept of admin users... you can make all users admin | 15:13 |
| bswartz | you're right about the concept of Administrators, but the solution is not to make everyone and administrator | 15:14 |
| bswartz | s/and/an/ | 15:14 |
| ganso | bswartz: isn't it essentially what we done in NFS? | 15:14 |
| bswartz | so if there is an administrator, and the client knows the account name and the password, he can fix this problem for himself in the CIFS world | 15:15 |
| bswartz | the problem is that in the CIFS world the administrator account and password are typically not well-known | 15:15 |
| bswartz | if they are then you have basically no security | 15:15 |
| ganso | bswartz: even though they are administrators you would need to allow access to the share | 15:16 |
| bswartz | and don't get me wrong -- I'm sure that no security is acceptable for a certain set of users | 15:16 |
| ganso | bswartz: I've tested this in the generic driver (configuring the share server manually) | 15:16 |
| bswartz | I'm interested in making this work for everyone though | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | this gets more interesting when you add share servers | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | actually its interesting in both cases, but for different reasons | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | with share servers, the client should be defining a security services which ultimately determines the universe of usernames, passwords, and permissions | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | so in that case, as long as you have a security service, you as the client can control the administrator account name and password can you can solve this yourself | 15:19 |
| bswartz | without security services, you're again left with undefined behavior | 15:19 |
| bswartz | without share servers, the usernames, passwords, and permissions are managed out of band | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | but IMO Manila should still have admin access to shares and the ability to chown/chmod the root directory on behalf of the end user to address the case when the end user doesn't have admin access | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | I'm thinking of some kind of new API or new arguments to existing APIs to make manila manage this filesystem metadata | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | and I'm not exactly sure what it should look like but I wanted to mention it in case others have ideas | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | also it reinforces that CIFS without a security service is pretty useless for anything except toy deployments | 15:22 |
| aovchinnikov | how Manila would distinguish between regular users and users who are allowed to have admin access to shares? | 15:23 |
| bswartz | aovchinnikov: membership in the "Administrators" group | 15:23 |
| bswartz | That's how windows does it | 15:24 |
| bswartz | if you a member of the group, you have the special powers | 15:24 |
| bswartz | typically the group has one member called Administrator | 15:24 |
| bswartz | but in real CIFS deployments there can be several | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | the point is you need an AD controller to define/manage this stuff | 15:25 |
| ganso | bswartz: when an user invokes access_allow with 'user' access type, the driver has no way to know if that permission should be added to the group of Administrators or Users | 15:25 |
| bswartz | ganso: it shouldn't have to -- there should be a separate function to address that | 15:25 |
| bswartz | you can allow access to multiple users | 15:26 |
| ganso | bswartz: separate function outside of manila? | 15:26 |
| bswartz | well currently it is outside Manila but I'm proposing we bring it in | 15:26 |
| bswartz | and keep it separate | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | so user A can "own" the share but you can grant access to A, B, and C | 15:26 |
| ganso | bswartz: drivers always assume access_allow will add to the Users group then | 15:27 |
| aovchinnikov | does it make A an administrator? | 15:27 |
| ganso | bswartz: currently ^ | 15:27 |
| bswartz | right now the risk we have is that you can grant access to A, B, and C, but if D actually owns the share you can't fix that without going out of band | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | ganso: I think that behavior mentioned is not defined -- different drivers are not acting consistently | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | and obviously we won't have truly consistent behavior until we have CIFS scenario tests that exercise this code and make sure things behave as expected | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | anyways, that was a top-of-mind thing for me | 15:29 |
| bswartz | we've got 2 other topics | 15:29 |
| bswartz | #topic Mascot/Logo discussion | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | unfortunately I don't have a link handy | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | #link: http://www.openstack.org/project-mascots | 15:30 |
| bswartz | but the foundation is moving towards creating a logo for each project with a consistent theme and artwork | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | tl;dr: Project teams pick an animal or natural feature as their mascot, and a professional illustrator will create their logo in a consistent style across projects | 15:30 |
| bswartz | ty gouthamr | 15:30 |
| dustins | So I should hang on to my now "limited edition" Manila Jeep sticker? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | someone of you may be partial to the jeepeny logo which was on the stickers passed out in austin | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | dustins: :( i tried convincing my team that jeepneys exist in the wild | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I think that has been vetoed though | 15:31 |
| markstur_ | I want a manila gorilla | 15:31 |
| bswartz | markstur_: you're the second person to suggest that | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | the gorrilla in manila :D | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I like it because it rhymes | 15:32 |
| markstur_ | has anyone suggested Manila Ice yet? | 15:32 |
| markstur_ | I think he's available | 15:32 |
| bswartz | and gorillas are pretty awesome animals | 15:32 |
| tpsilva | +1 manila gorilla | 15:32 |
| ganso | markstur_: lol | 15:32 |
| xyang | any object from nature that looks like a manila folder?:) | 15:32 |
| bswartz | however this decision will ultimately be a community one | 15:32 |
| dustins | A Box Turtle? :) | 15:32 |
| xyang | :) | 15:33 |
| dustins | You know, because you put manila folders in boxes? | 15:33 |
| bswartz | xyang: if there was, I would vote against it just because | 15:33 |
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| gouthamr | i can think of a venus flytrap... but that's not very pleasant | 15:33 |
| markstur_ | I think gouthamr could come up with a folder shaped llama if we let him | 15:33 |
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| ganso | xyang: a sea shell possibly? | 15:33 |
| bswartz | dustins: turtles are pretty slow though -- and they bite | 15:33 |
| xyang | bswartz: you don’t want to stay consistent? | 15:34 |
| tmazur | gouthamr, a venus trap with a ribbon? | 15:34 |
| tmazur | *flytrap | 15:34 |
| dustins | bswartz: I just like box turtles :) | 15:34 |
| ameade | kangaroo has a pouch | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | haha >.< | 15:34 |
| xyang | ameade: I like that:) | 15:34 |
| markstur_ | open folders look like wings. Could be moths | 15:34 |
| dustins | So do Koalas | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: turtles are energy saving, I saw river-turtle running really fast | 15:35 |
| bswartz | xyang: file folders are pretty boring, and still not of the natural world | 15:35 |
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| dustins | Lunar Moth? | 15:35 |
| markstur_ | moths are not as cool as gorillas. Sorry moths | 15:35 |
| xyang | moths are ugly | 15:35 |
| bswartz | I think the point is to be more whimsical | 15:35 |
| bswartz | xyang: not all of them | 15:35 |
| jseiler | I was thinking kangaroo too because of the pouch | 15:35 |
| xyang | anyway I don’t like insets in general | 15:35 |
| xyang | kangaroo is really cute | 15:36 |
| bswartz | i hope someone is writing these down | 15:36 |
| jseiler | vanilla manila bean | 15:36 |
| bswartz | we could make an etherpad and turn it into a poll | 15:36 |
| ganso | xyang: +1 no insects | 15:36 |
| markstur_ | xyang, moth-hater | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i53/2/3/12/frabz-im-sooooo-confused-b62996.jpg | 15:36 |
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| markstur_ | xyang, How about a nightime butterfly then? | 15:36 |
| xyang | markstur_: I like butterflies | 15:36 |
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| * bswartz thought that butterflies were insects.... | 15:37 | |
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| * bswartz is not a biologist | 15:37 | |
| tmazur | manila is an anagram for 'animal' by the way... | 15:37 |
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| markstur_ | manila monarchs | 15:37 |
| ganso | tmazur: mind blown | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | tmazur: ah! that's true | 15:38 |
| xyang | right, they are disgusting when they are worms | 15:38 |
| dustins | tmazur: So really anything we use would work... | 15:38 |
| tmazur | totally :D | 15:38 |
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| ameade | opossums have pouches too | 15:38 |
| ameade | lol | 15:38 |
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| vponomaryov | xyang: worms are animals, not insects | 15:39 |
| bswartz | The National Animal of the Philippines is the carabao, the Asian Water Buffalo [1] google | 15:39 |
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| xyang | vponomaryov: they are insects. anyway I hate them whatever they are:) | 15:39 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: insects are not animals? | 15:39 |
| vponomaryov | different entity classes | 15:40 |
| dustins | Ceph kinda cornered the market on Cephlaopod based mascots, so no krakens or eldrich horrors | 15:40 |
| bswartz | dustins: I know | 15:40 |
| bswartz | I worry that whatever we pick will conflict with something | 15:40 |
| dustins | a centaur? | 15:40 |
| bswartz | animal mascots are pretty common | 15:40 |
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| markstur_ | manila koalla | 15:41 |
| bswartz | the important thing is that we don't conflict with any other openstack projects, so the sooner we decide on something the better | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | “It will be a killa and a chilla and a thrilla when I get the gorilla in Manila" (that's sticky) | 15:41 |
| ameade | trust me, nobody has opossum | 15:41 |
| bswartz | because other teams are having similar discussions | 15:41 |
| markstur_ | ^ has a pouch and ends in la and their darn cute too. | 15:41 |
| xyang | dustins: you can’t have imaginary thing | 15:41 |
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| vponomaryov | xyang: prove it does not exists | 15:42 |
| ganso | xyang: no unicorns then? :( | 15:42 |
| bswartz | I'm really wondering what the smaug team will choose, since I suspect that dragons aren't valid either | 15:42 |
| dustins | xyang: aww :( | 15:42 |
| xyang | yes, not unicorn nor dragon | 15:42 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso: unicorn! | 15:42 |
| dustins | Well, could do a Komodo Dragon | 15:42 |
| xyang | bswartz: good point. I wonder too | 15:42 |
| bswartz | something tells me they won't choose the komodo | 15:42 |
| * dustins is surprised Tolkien's estate hasn't dropped the hammer on Smaug | 15:43 | |
| ganso | can we consider dinosaurs? | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | ganso: I suspect yes | 15:43 |
| dustins | Pterodactyl? | 15:43 |
| ameade | oh that opens up a crazy world | 15:43 |
| ameade | dimorphadon | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-mascot-brainstorm | 15:43 |
| markstur_ | are pokemons real? | 15:44 |
| xyang | ganso: doesn’t that mean outdated | 15:44 |
| zhongjun_ | smaug will change the name, because of the conflict, dragons will also be changed | 15:44 |
| aovchinnikov | oh, also armadillo sort of fits | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | markstur_: they are. how many have you caught? | 15:44 |
| ganso | xyang: indeed | 15:44 |
| dustins | Dire Wolf? | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | so I made an etherpad to collect ideas | 15:45 |
| bswartz | I'll turn that into a poll and we can vote | 15:45 |
| markstur_ | gouthamr, zero. they are trying to catch me. | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | in a week? | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | or in ettherpad anytime? | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | put suggestions in the etherpad ASAP | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | when it quiets down I'll convert to a poll | 15:46 |
| bswartz | no later than the end of the week | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | okay I had something else more serious | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | #topic Tempest alternatives | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | So this comes up from time to time | 15:47 |
| bswartz | we've always had an uneasy relationship with the tempest team | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | they break us, we complain, they ignore, repeat | 15:47 |
| bswartz | the problems caused by this are similar to the problems caused by the generic driver in the gate | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | As far as I can tell, tempest doesn't add much value on top of testr or os-testr other than as a place to check in test code and duplications of every openstack REST client | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | we really shouldn't be using the tempest clients for anything other than manila -- for nova, keystone, etc we should be using the released libraries from pypi | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is much esier to test lots of OpenStack services using one tool | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: I don't disagree, but what I'm proposing is that we use os-testr as the common tool | 15:50 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: so, you propose to remove any dependency on tempest as much as possible and still provide our tests as plugin for it? | 15:51 |
| dustins | bswartz: I'm a fan of ostestr, myself | 15:51 |
| bswartz | I suspect if we used the existing clients from pypi to talk to things, we could keep all of our existing test code in Manila and base it on os-testr instead and not much would have to change | 15:52 |
| dustins | Was quite easy to use compared to tox | 15:52 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: if yes, we still can be broekn | 15:52 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: no the goal is to slowly iterate until we don't depend on it at all | 15:52 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: so, no plugin for tempest? | 15:52 |
| bswartz | my question is that, aside from the clients, what else would we need to change if we stopped depending on tempest? | 15:53 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: all QAs of clouds where manila is installed will blame us | 15:53 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: I think keeping a tempest plugin costs us more than it gives us value for testing our own code | 15:53 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: also, tempest's stable interface is under development | 15:54 |
| bswartz | we know the cost -- they break us somewhat regularly and we have to fix | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | the question is what do we gain from tempest, and my current understanding is not much | 15:54 |
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| dustins | So you'd need to do something specific to test manila in a cloud? | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | they don't let us submit code and they don't fix problems that they cause for us | 15:54 |
| dustins | Rather than rely on Tempest? | 15:54 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: they already on that way | 15:54 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is just in progress | 15:55 |
| bswartz | tempest's "stable interface" has been on the way for 2 years | 15:55 |
| dustins | Or would the Tempest plugin still be used? | 15:55 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: if we have a tempest plugin, it will enable other services to use our client (tempest is working on a feature like this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334596/) | 15:55 |
| bswartz | it's not done yet | 15:55 |
| bswartz | I call BS that it will ever be done | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | I would love to be proved wrong here | 15:56 |
| xyang | I’m not a fan of tempest so I have no problem if we want to move away from it | 15:56 |
| dustins | Would we have to rewrite our tests to not use anything related to Tempest or Tempst-Lib? | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | afaik, there has been decent progress.. and we have a small list of clients that aren't 'stable' yet. | 15:57 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I would say it is esier for us to keep compatibility than to port our tests to something new | 15:57 |
| bswartz | but I think it would be irresponsible to not consider alternatives at this point | 15:57 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: how different is os-testr compared to tempest? | 15:57 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: in addition to keeping common interface as for lots of other projects | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | there's a lot of unknowns here (for me) which is why I want to at least answer the questions of could we do it and how bad would it be | 15:57 |
| bswartz | so we can compare that to how bad the status quo is | 15:57 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: tempest gives us waiters, cleanup handlers, exceptions, clients and easy keystone access | 15:58 |
| dustins | Is the goal of this exercise to ultimately have Manila's tests be self-sufficient? | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | we'd have to write all these on our own (and use existing python-x-clients) and maintain them | 15:58 |
| dustins | And not rely on Tempest in any way? | 15:58 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it just designed in general for tests, tempest provides lots of openstack stuff | 15:58 |
| bswartz | dustins: yes, we hoped to get there 2 years ago when we started with the tests in the manila repo and the plugin interface with "tempest_lib" | 15:59 |
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| dustins | Hmm, could be interesting | 15:59 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: so, I would say I disagree to drop our tempest plugin, we should provide it | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | so I'm not opposed to having a tempest plugin -- I just think we should avoid using it in our gate | 16:00 |
| dustins | Might make it a nightmare for deployers who need to track test cases and such and rely on Tempest's commonality to generalize test cases and environments | 16:00 |
| bswartz | I'd rather that our manila functional tests didn't depend on unstable things (which tempest is) | 16:00 |
| bswartz | dustins: that's good input | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | dustins: I hope that whatever we would build would ultimately be better, but I could be wrong | 16:01 |
| bswartz | anyways we're over time and I've said what I wanted | 16:01 |
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| bswartz | thanks everyone see you next week | 16:01 |
| dustins | I already have a hard enough time doing Tempest runs against our stuff, making it MORE unlike the others will make it worse in the short term at least | 16:01 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 14 16:01:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-07-14-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-07-14-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-07-14-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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| tmcpeak | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 14 17:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| mdong | o/ | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | #chair hyakuhei | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:00 |
| elmiko | o/ | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:00 |
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| tkelsey | o/ | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | sup y'all | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | yoyo | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | allright, let's get started | 17:02 |
| * hyakuhei has something resembling a migrane so kinda dipping in and out | 17:02 | |
| tmcpeak | #topic Syntribos | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Syntribos (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:02 | |
| unrahul | o/ | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | the overwhelming pressure of security? | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:02 |
| BryanStephenson | Hope it passes soon. | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | This on the back of a four hour meeting I think :) | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | oh hey BryanStephenson ! | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | Bryan, welcome :) | 17:03 |
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| mdong | hey everyone, hope everyone’s feeling well and catching plenty of pokemon | 17:03 |
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| unrahul | :D | 17:03 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: ouch... feel better mang | 17:03 |
| mdong | as for updates on Syntribos, we’ve been spending our time removing OpenCAFE dependencies | 17:03 |
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| mdong | we’ve moved to oslo logging and config | 17:04 |
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| mdong | and now there’s only a few small parts left before we’re done with OpenCAFE altogether - we’ve got WIP Cr’s up for those | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | sick | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | you guys doing a talk at summit for it? | 17:06 |
| mdong | not at Barcelona, I don’t think, we don’t want to get distracted preparing for a presentation | 17:06 |
| unrahul | +1 | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | spoken like true engineers :) | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | lol | 17:07 |
| mdong | lol yep, plus we want to be able to present actual results from using Syntribos to test in a real world setting | 17:07 |
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| mdong | and that’s a goal we’re targeting for the end of this cycle | 17:07 |
| unrahul | a couple of CVE's at least ryt mdong :) | 17:08 |
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| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:08 |
| mdong | haha that would be ideal | 17:08 |
| mdong | we’ll definitely be thinking about presenting next cycle though | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | yeah back in the states, new england or something? | 17:09 |
| mdong | big thanks to anyone who’s helped review our CR’s too, can’t do it without you | 17:09 |
| mdong | yeah, I think next one is in Boston | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:09 |
| unrahul | oh really, I didn't know.. Boston would be cool | 17:09 |
| lhinds | hi all, sorry for being a little late | 17:09 |
| mdong | that’s all from me on Syntribos | 17:10 |
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| tmcpeak | awesome, thanks for the update! | 17:10 |
| mdong | np | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | #topic OSSN | 17:10 |
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| tmcpeak | lhinds is the new lord of OSSN | 17:10 |
| lhinds | :P | 17:11 |
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| lhinds | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313896/ | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313896/ | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | bah | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | looks like we need mergies on the two reviews | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | Needs another Sec core +2 | 17:11 |
| lhinds | Kato did a rebase, so removed your +2 hyakuhei | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei | Sure | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | He’s not a sec guy though. Normally the rule is 2 sec guys, one docs guy | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | all +2 | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | however. lets ship | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | SHIPIT | 17:12 |
| lhinds | ahh I see | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | SHIPITREALGOOD | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | (done) | 17:12 |
| lhinds | and then we have the authors patch.. | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | Really awesome work thank you again lhinds | 17:12 |
| lhinds | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313896/ | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | I think that’s ready to go too now? | 17:13 |
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| lhinds | I think so | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei | wrong link? | 17:13 |
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| lhinds | duh! | 17:13 |
| lhinds | #undo | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337627/ | 17:13 |
| lhinds | oh hyakuhei did you see Erics comment | 17:14 |
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| lhinds | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337627/3/security-notes/OSSN-0037 | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | ok this one I would like another Sec core to +2 | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | who is sec cores? | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | I'm not | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko: nkinder | 17:14 |
| elmiko | o/ | 17:14 |
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| * elmiko taking a look | 17:15 | |
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| elmiko | oh, this one looked good to me before. but then people found a bunch of issues | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:15 |
| elmiko | i'm cool to merge this and we can swing around if someone says "hey, i authored that one!" | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | sounds good to me | 17:16 |
| lhinds | +1 | 17:16 |
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| elmiko | it was a huge effort on lhinds part, greatly appreciated =) | 17:16 |
| lhinds | 'swing around' sounds good | 17:16 |
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| lhinds | :) | 17:17 |
| lhinds | np ! | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | hero! | 17:17 |
| lhinds | happy to muck in | 17:17 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah man, that was awesome! thanks for all the work on it | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | allright | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | I think we have some new OSSN open too | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah the backlog is building up | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | how many do you guys see? | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | I have 9 but some of those are private | 17:19 |
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| gmurphy | 3 private | 17:20 |
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| elmiko | whoa | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | ok, that's a pretty decent queue then | 17:20 |
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| hyakuhei | Needs cranking through. | 17:20 |
| lhinds | I will take a look and see what I can pick up | 17:20 |
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| tmcpeak | we really need a sprint for this at midcycle I think | 17:21 |
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| tmcpeak | that being said I think some of the private ones are high priority | 17:21 |
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| tmcpeak | I'll carve off some time and write one | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | #action lhinds to write OSSN | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | #action tmcpeak to write OSSN | 17:21 |
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| tmcpeak | allright, let's move on from this OSSN business since I'm pretty sure everybody came for the mascot discussion :P | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | #action hyakuhei to write OSSN | 17:22 |
| gmurphy | who is currently handling the private ossn process? tmcpeak + hyakuhei? | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | yeah | 17:22 |
| gmurphy | k | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | and elmiko | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Any coresec basically | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | probably worth considering expanding that | 17:22 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | VMT like to keep it tight but I agree | 17:22 |
| elmiko | at the least, i think we need to find someone to take my place at that table | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | I've been contributing to private bug reports but haven't done a good job of actually writing OSSN | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | private OSSN seems to be a thing that's happening more now rather than what would have been an OSSA | 17:23 |
| gmurphy | yeah i think mostly because of breaking changes etc. | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | allright well we can do that next week :) | 17:24 |
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| tmcpeak | I assume nothing on Docs? | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | sicarie: elmiko | 17:24 |
| elmiko | not that i am aware of | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | If there’s a higher load on coresec for private OSSN then there’s more validity to adding an extra member | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | yeah agreed | 17:25 |
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| elmiko | imo, docs is in danger of sliding into the wasteland... | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | :’( | 17:25 |
| elmiko | inorite | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | I was just writing something internal about that | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: we should discuss it then :) | 17:25 |
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| lhinds | I am happy to help if extra boots needed on the ground | 17:25 |
| elmiko | well, we need more bodies | 17:25 |
| elmiko | same old story | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | It’s hard because you need SME bodies | 17:26 |
| lhinds | for now, I can pick up 1534652 as well | 17:26 |
| elmiko | i don't think sicarie or myself have the bandwidth needed to keep this ship afloat | 17:26 |
| sicarie | I am getting more bandwidth now | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | #topic docs | 17:26 |
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| elmiko | ooh, interesting | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | is there a growing queue or are people not even adding to the queue anymore? | 17:26 |
| elmiko | maybe i spoke too soon | 17:26 |
| sicarie | Yeah, not too much is getting added to the queue thusfar | 17:26 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: nothing is happening, like no movement | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | We spoke last meeting about drafting an email to -dev explaining the situation, needing SMEs etc. | 17:27 |
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| elmiko | +1 | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Maybe laying out a few options | 17:27 |
| sicarie | Yep, i have time now to start working on that | 17:27 |
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| tmcpeak | shall we get an etherpad going? | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Now that everyone’s got there submissions for the summit in (thanks sicarie) | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | etherpad or gdocs | 17:28 |
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| elmiko | and, sadly, i'm on the other side of this. i need to be reducing my engagement... | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | :’( | 17:28 |
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| hyakuhei | Cheers! | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | I don't like the sound of that elmiko | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | So lets draft something up, giving the community a few options | 17:29 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: i mentioned it in austin, my team is moving on... | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | lets also write a joint letter to RedHat explaining why pulling elmiko away from OpenStack is stupid | 17:29 |
| elmiko | hahaha! | 17:30 |
| sicarie | +1 | 17:30 |
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| tmcpeak | this is a trend | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | Righto, so we’ve got our action for docs | 17:31 |
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| tmcpeak | hmmm, midcycle? | 17:31 |
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| hyakuhei | yupyup | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | Unconference ideas, good to start developing them ahead of time | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Midcycle | 17:32 |
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| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-security-midcycle-N | 17:32 |
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| unrahul | WIll there be anything on threat analysis at the midcycle..? | 17:33 |
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| hyakuhei | definitely | 17:33 |
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| unrahul | cool! | 17:33 |
| gmurphy | yes. i think dg__ will be pushing that. he's currently on vacation though and sends his apologies. | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | “apologies” | 17:34 |
| gmurphy | (he told me to say something like that) | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | Keeps sending me pics of France. | 17:34 |
| unrahul | Also if there was something on the roadmap for the security team, future projects and stuff, that would be nice.. | 17:34 |
| unrahul | hehe | 17:34 |
| gmurphy | yeah… | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | unrahul: Chuck it on the etherpad as an unconference session | 17:35 |
| unrahul | hyakuhei: +1 yup | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | unrahul: I put up the exact same thing basically :) | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | Roadmap is important though. We are under bigger resource constraints than ever before imho | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:35 |
| unrahul | just saw that tmcpeak | 17:35 |
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| tmcpeak | great minds and all that | 17:36 |
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| unrahul | rofl ..>> | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | anything for TA? | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | Nothing to add | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | Aside from Doug say’s France is nice. | 17:36 |
| gmurphy | i'm pretty sure we should put a hackathon on there. | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | that's useful | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | #topic MASCOTTTTT | 17:37 |
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| unrahul | has keystone figured out their mascot yet ?, I thought the plan was to submit, "just before" they do.. :D | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | Finally we get to some real work. | 17:37 |
| gmurphy | LOL | 17:38 |
| browne | keystone hasn't decided yet | 17:38 |
| browne | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-mascot | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | Jeez | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | ok we have too many options here | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | why don't we agree on top 3 and vote | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | So we have options | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | Probably easier to put your nick next to two | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | either one you could live with | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:39 |
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| hyakuhei | and…. go :D | 17:39 |
| gmurphy | what was the name of that spikey thing from last week? | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | one of those freaky things sicarie suggested? | 17:40 |
| gmurphy | nah. | 17:40 |
| gmurphy | it was like a armadillo bad more badass | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | oh yeah | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | starts with a P | 17:40 |
| sicarie | pangolin or something? | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | pangolin! | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | tkelsey: elmiko browne unrahul, gmurphy sicarie lhinds mdong vote damn you! | 17:40 |
| gmurphy | oh yeah | 17:41 |
| lhinds | Honey badger | 17:41 |
| sicarie | link? | 17:41 |
| gmurphy | i want to vote for that | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:41 |
| tkelsey | lol k | 17:41 |
| gmurphy | it's in the agenda m8 | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | #link http://www.awf.org/sites/default/files/media/gallery/wildlife/Pangolin/Pangolin_Keith%20Coleen-Begg-2.jpg?itok=s9vv2Htk | 17:41 |
| mdong | can we have a pokemon as a mascot? ;) | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | oh gawd | 17:41 |
| BryanStephenson | no | 17:41 |
| BryanStephenson | LOL | 17:41 |
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| elmiko | i vote honey badger! | 17:42 |
| lhinds | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZa1aMrLpmU | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko you're trying to get us on honeybadger with your dying breath in OSSP? :P | 17:42 |
| lhinds | they take on lions head on | 17:42 |
| browne | how many votes we get? i see multiple from the same nick | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | two | 17:42 |
| browne | cool | 17:42 |
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| hyakuhei | Vote for two that you could live with | 17:42 |
| gmurphy | i think https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg | 17:43 |
| BryanStephenson | I'm really glad it looks like it won't be Hippo | 17:43 |
| gmurphy | lol | 17:43 |
| gmurphy | honey badger has my top vote | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | I’m not even voting for my idea | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | I think you meant Pangolin hyakuhei | 17:43 |
| browne | quick everyone change to hippo | 17:43 |
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| tmcpeak | but nobody knows what that actually is | 17:43 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: pretty much =D | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:44 |
| elmiko | hippo it is | 17:44 |
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| hyakuhei | #link http://media2.intoday.in/indiatoday/images/stories/mi-305_022016032232.jpg | 17:44 |
| elmiko | i'm still trying to get dung beetle as some project's mascot.... | 17:44 |
| unrahul | hippo +1 | 17:44 |
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| BryanStephenson | Actually, hippos are one of the most dangerous animals | 17:44 |
| unrahul | pangolin looks like an battle formation, with its scales and stuff | 17:45 |
| BryanStephenson | They kill idiots on African safaris who get too close | 17:45 |
| unrahul | but we would need to explain to all what a pangolin is.. | 17:45 |
| tkelsey | are we just voting on whats there or can we add stuff? | 17:45 |
| BryanStephenson | The picture of the pangolin does all the explaining for us | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | ^^^ yup | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | Who suggested Tardigrade? | 17:46 |
| * hyakuhei shudders | 17:46 | |
| browne | ha, me | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | damn it | 17:46 |
| browne | too bad i didn't think of it earlier | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | what the hell is that thing | 17:46 |
| elmiko | BryanStephenson: +1 | 17:46 |
| browne | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade | 17:46 |
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| elmiko | lol | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | ok well, in what can only be called semi-democratic at best, I think pangolin wins! | 17:46 |
| elmiko | seems like it | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | tkelsey: too slow voting man :P | 17:47 |
| lhinds | pangolin looks cool, I like the ethos (with the armor) | 17:47 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: lol ah well, whatever :P | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent. I’ll pass that back to the foundation people who want us to stop using their logo :P | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | woot | 17:48 |
| elmiko | fairwell cool old logo, your sticker shall ever grace my laptop | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | I think we should all take a moment to be thankful to michaelxin for our awesome stickers :D | 17:48 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:48 |
| elmiko | hear hear | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, I've got mine on my personal phone case | 17:49 |
| unrahul | http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/03/23B1E10300000578-0-image-29_1417600979429.jpg https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/oq2hjUbw/ | 17:49 |
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| hyakuhei | Auditor looking for openstack security | 17:49 |
| browne | yum, and tasty to lions | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | ok so I think that’s most of what we wanted to cover today… ? | 17:50 |
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| tmcpeak | oh | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | gmurphy: panel? | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | #topic AOB | 17:51 |
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| gmurphy | oh so yeah i tacked a couple things on the agenda | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | oooh | 17:51 |
| gmurphy | but it might be too late to suggest that for the summit | 17:51 |
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| gmurphy | but thought maybe we could run a security panel etc | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | It’s been discussed before | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | Not a bad idea | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | However there’s never been feedback from a summit saying “we need more panels” | 17:52 |
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| hyakuhei | Good idea for the next summit though | 17:52 |
| gmurphy | i've seen it with the languages discussion before etc. was interesting. | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | Keystone regularly have them | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | So do ops | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | No objection to them being in but they get submitted like any other presentation in the CFP window | 17:53 |
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| gmurphy | yeah | 17:53 |
| gmurphy | oh well. maybe next time | 17:53 |
| gmurphy | also | 17:53 |
| gmurphy | cp/paste | 17:53 |
| gmurphy | Reminder: There are a number of public security issues that the OSSP team can help move along for the VMT (especially if they're interested in the VMT process). #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossa/+bugs?orderby=-status&start=0&field.information_type%3Alist=PUBLIC&field.information_type%3Alist=PUBLICSECURITY | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | Good point | 17:54 |
| gmurphy | that's it for my AOB | 17:54 |
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| tmcpeak | wrap it? | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | cool, thanks gmurphy | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | yupyup | 17:55 |
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| tmcpeak | cool, thanks everybody! | 17:55 |
| tmcpeak | #endmeeting | 17:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 14 17:55:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-07-14-17.00.html | 17:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-07-14-17.00.txt | 17:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-07-14-17.00.log.html | 17:55 |
| elmiko | thanks tmcpeak hyakuhei | 17:55 |
| tkelsey | thanks all | 17:55 |
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| tkelsey | thanks hyakuhei | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | Cheers guys! thanks tmcpeak | 17:56 |
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