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| shardy | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 12 14:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
| shardy | #topic rollcall | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| d0ugal | o/ | 14:00 |
| shardy | Hi all, who is around? | 14:00 |
| derekh | o/ | 14:00 |
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| hrybacki | o/ | 14:00 |
| panda | o/ | 14:00 |
| ccamacho | Hello!! o/ | 14:00 |
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| EmilienM | o/ | 14:00 |
| beagles | o/ (will have to leave a little early though) | 14:01 |
| adarazs | o/ | 14:01 |
| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO | 14:01 |
| shardy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items | 14:01 |
| weshay_mtg | o/ | 14:01 |
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| sshnaidm | o/ | 14:01 |
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| shardy | new format for one-off items, please add to the etherpad as some folks can't write to the wiki | 14:01 |
| shardy | #topic agenda | 14:02 |
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| myoung | o/ | 14:02 |
| saneax | o/ | 14:02 |
| shardy | #topic agenda | 14:02 |
| shardy | * one off agenda items | 14:02 |
| shardy | * bugs | 14:02 |
| shardy | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:02 |
| shardy | * CI | 14:02 |
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| shardy | * Specs | 14:02 |
| michchap | o/ | 14:02 |
| shardy | * open discussion | 14:02 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:02 |
| shardy | Ok then, I see some additions to the agenda in the etherpad :) | 14:03 |
| shardy | Lets get started with the one-off-items in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items | 14:03 |
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| shardy | #topic one off agenda items | 14:03 |
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| shardy | 1) (sshnaidm) What could be done to speed up reviews and *merges* in tripleo-ci repository in particular? | 14:03 |
| shardy | sshnaidm: So, what did you have in mind here? | 14:04 |
| shardy | I think we basically need more folks willing to spend time reviewing patches and gaining familiarity with those scripts | 14:04 |
| shardy | which the mentoring/rotation is supposed to help with | 14:04 |
| sshnaidm | shardy, I had a few patches waiting days and weeks for merge, for example this poor tempest fixing patch, so maybe there is a way to speed it up..? | 14:04 |
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| shardy | any other suggestions? | 14:04 |
| EmilienM | imho, things move quite faster over the last weeks. We have to also take in consideration we're running on best-effort CI right now, with less jobs less testing, etc. So we need to be more careful in reviews | 14:04 |
| sshnaidm | shardy, maybe some list of urgent patches in our weekly-mentors document and cores will look at it in their time at least daily? | 14:05 |
| shardy | sshnaidm: Yeah, sorry about that, we've had a bad time with CI lately but velocity has been much improved over the last couple of weeks | 14:05 |
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| EmilienM | the weekly mentors thing should not be dedicated for reviewing urgent patches imo | 14:06 |
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| shardy | sshnaidm: I suggest asking for reviews on IRC if patches have been waiting more than a week and are passing CI | 14:06 |
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| shardy | sshnaidm: I know you've already started doing that | 14:06 |
| sshnaidm | shardy, yeah, I do it every day :) | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | if you need reviews, that's something you can rise anytime on IRC | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | or using ML also | 14:06 |
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| sshnaidm | shardy, but it's not efficient so much | 14:06 |
| shardy | EmilienM: No, it's about getting more folks able to help with reviewing the patches | 14:06 |
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| EmilienM | right ^ | 14:07 |
| shardy | e.g if people learn how CI is wired together when debugging, they will hopefully help with tripleo-ci reviews :) | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | I thought asking for reviews in ML was definite No-No | 14:07 |
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| shardy | that is my hope, anyway | 14:07 |
| d0ugal | jokke_: I thought that too, just adds noise. | 14:07 |
| shardy | jokke_: Not on the ML, on IRC is OK tho IMO | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:07 |
| shardy | but only if the patches have been there more than a few days and are passing CI | 14:07 |
| sshnaidm | I do it in IRC but it's still the issue | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | jokke_: using ML to give status on a task/blueprint/bug with some reviews, does not hurt imho | 14:07 |
| derekh | Its a matter of spreading the load, the more people we have working on CI related stuff the more people there will be able to review patches for it | 14:07 |
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| d0ugal | I think most people have a hard time getting reviews | 14:08 |
| sshnaidm | I remind the we need at least 2 +2s for merge, ususally I get easily 1 and then... | 14:08 |
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| sshnaidm | so nobody is interested to have a list for urgent reviews for tripleo-ci? | 14:09 |
| shardy | sshnaidm: another thing you can do is review other peoples patches - folks often review your patches in return if you commit time to helping them land their stuff | 14:10 |
| derekh | sshnaidm: a list would be good, I worry a bit that we'll still fallback to irc but its oworth a try | 14:10 |
| shardy | sshnaidm: sure, we can do that | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | things that are urgent are in launchpad with "alert" tag | 14:10 |
| slagle | we did a list once | 14:10 |
| d0ugal | Didn't we try a general TripleO review etherpad recently? | 14:10 |
| slagle | everyone just added their own patches | 14:10 |
| d0ugal | Yeah | 14:10 |
| sshnaidm | EmilienM, yeah, but it's about the bugs | 14:10 |
| shardy | the problem is the lists end up unmaintained after a while, so everyone ignores them | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | etherpad does not work for that, we already tried | 14:10 |
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| EmilienM | shardy: exactly | 14:11 |
| saneax | I guess we can have a maintained list? | 14:11 |
| shardy | the advantage of using launchpad and actively triaging the bugs is we can set a priority | 14:11 |
| d0ugal | saneax: Who is going to maintain it? ;) | 14:11 |
| shardy | etherpad doesn't provide a good way to do that | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | ++ on using launchpad or storyboard | 14:11 |
| sshnaidm | EmilienM, shardy I suppose you're right about etherpads, maybe any other ideas? | 14:11 |
| shardy | sshnaidm: report bugs for critical CI impacting issues, and tag them "alert" | 14:11 |
| shardy | then we get an annoying reminder in CI periodically which motivates reviews for critical issues | 14:12 |
| sshnaidm | shardy, it works for real critical like broken CI | 14:12 |
| derekh | when using "alert" it should be critical, otherwise we'll end up ignoring it, we can't dilute it | 14:13 |
| shardy | sshnaidm: for less critical issues, still report a bug and target it at the next milestone | 14:13 |
| shardy | then we have it visible on the roadmap, and folks will hopefully review it to help burn down the open issues before a release | 14:13 |
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| EmilienM | right, tripleo folks should get emails at every new bug | 14:13 |
| shardy | (that's the way I prioritize my reviews) | 14:13 |
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| shardy | Ok, can we timebox this, and perhaps follow up on the ML or #tripleo? | 14:14 |
| sshnaidm | shardy, sure | 14:14 |
| shardy | I know velocity is a problem, but it's been a lot better recently, hopfully we can continue that trend | 14:14 |
| EmilienM | using launchpad or storyboard is the only way to not interrupt people during their work and let them review when possible | 14:14 |
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| shardy | #info use launchpad bugs to help focus review attention on next-milestone reviews | 14:15 |
| sshnaidm | EmilienM, does anybody use storyboard? I saw it empty all the time | 14:15 |
| shardy | 2) (derekh) rh1 ovb or not? | 14:15 |
| derekh | So we've been using OVB based jobs exclusively for a week now, rh1 is ready to be brought back up | 14:15 |
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| EmilienM | sshnaidm: not yet but I know slagle did some investigation | 14:15 |
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| derekh | do we take the time to make it OVB based aswell or bring up the legacy system back | 14:15 |
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| derekh | ? | 14:15 |
| shardy | sshnaidm: I am not using storyboard, all the release tracking is in launchpad, the "tripleo" projects | 14:16 |
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| derekh | if we go with OVB, there is no turning back and it will probably take longer to get up and running | 14:16 |
| shardy | I do not consider any of the other tripleo-* projects, or storyboard, trello or anything else when preparing for the release | 14:16 |
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| EmilienM | derekh: +1 for OVB and get rid of legacy, even if it takes a bit more time to stabilize it | 14:16 |
| shardy | derekh: I think the ovb job has been pretty stable over the last week or so? | 14:17 |
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| derekh | but it will get us away from a legacy system thats becomming maintainable | 14:17 |
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| shardy | do we have many outstanding issues to fix before we have similar rates of false-negatives to before? | 14:17 |
| derekh | shardy: yes, it has, we've did have a few teething problems but I think those are ironed out now | 14:17 |
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| shardy | derekh: ack, well I'm +1 on moving to OVB | 14:17 |
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| shardy | I think the flexibility it gives us wrt periodic scale testing etc will be a huge win in the long term | 14:18 |
| sshnaidm | +1 ovb, it's very easy to devs to use that | 14:18 |
| bnemec | Ditto. I think most of the false negatives now are not necessarily related to OVB. | 14:18 |
| derekh | shardy: we had a lot of "no host available errors", those were fixed (hidden) by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340359/ | 14:18 |
| derekh | and we had some problems getting testenvs (and creating them), but I think we've solved those now | 14:19 |
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| derekh | so it sounds like everybody is plus one to doing it | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | derekh: excellent work on ovb :) | 14:19 |
| shardy | derekh: do we have a handle on the no host available thing? | 14:19 |
| shardy | other than the n+1 workaround? | 14:19 |
| derekh | EmilienM: we'll ovb itself is bnemec baby ;-) | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | bnemec++ | 14:19 |
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| * bnemec coos at rh2 :-) | 14:20 | |
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| derekh | shardy: We're working around it by give an extra host to the testenv, so if one failes the other gets deployed in a retry | 14:20 |
| derekh | shardy: but I think this would also fix it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338886/ | 14:20 |
| derekh | the down side to switch rh1 is this, I have no idea how long it will take to get up and running | 14:21 |
| bnemec | shardy: When I've looked into it, that looks like the Ironic NodeAssociated race to me. | 14:21 |
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| derekh | rh2 took me 6 weeks, but there was a lot of tweaking and getting stuff tested that we wont have to do | 14:21 |
| shardy | derekh: how long did it take to deploy rh2 w/ovb? | 14:21 |
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| derekh | best case I would say we can aim for is 2 weeks | 14:21 |
| shardy | derekh: I think 2 weeks is a worthwhile investment if you have time to commit to it now | 14:22 |
| EmilienM | how can we help? | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | ++ & ++ | 14:22 |
| bnemec | We also need to get the ovb jobs running stuff like net-iso, but I think we're pretty close on that. | 14:22 |
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| shardy | and it's better doing it now before the mad rush to land stuff at the end of newton | 14:22 |
| derekh | So i'm thinking it makes sense for me not to do it, would anybody else have the time to push it (with me here a second) | 14:23 |
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| shardy | weshay_mtg: Do you have any folks willing to help out? | 14:23 |
| EmilienM | derekh: what kind of tasks would it be? What skills are required to move fast? | 14:24 |
| weshay_mtg | shardy, sshnaidm and panda would be avail to help | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | shardy: I'm really afraid about newton cycle,feature freeze is in less than 1 months 1/2 | 14:24 |
| derekh | EmilienM: its essentially a normal mitaka rdo deployment, we have scripts for the custom stuff | 14:25 |
| shardy | EmilienM: Yeah, we'll get to that in the releases topic ;) | 14:25 |
| derekh | EmilienM: but, god knows what peoblems may be hit when the bit hit the Hardware | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | shardy: we don't have the upgrade job for now, which is worries me to make progress in our cycle | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | could not we take care of CI at the end of Newton between the 2 cycles? | 14:25 |
| shardy | EmilienM: Yeah, that's why I'm saying we need to get full coverage back in place well before newton is final | 14:25 |
| shardy | ideally in the next 2 weeks ;) | 14:26 |
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| EmilienM | ok | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | which makes us less than 1 month to finish Newton | 14:26 |
| shardy | EmilienM: if we don't do it now, we have a much higher risk of shipping newton in a broken state | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | right | 14:26 |
| shardy | we need full coverage of net-iso, SSL and upgrades | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | except if we roll-back to legacy | 14:26 |
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| shardy | EmilienM: Not everyone will stop working while this CI work happens | 14:26 |
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| weshay_mtg | is there any appetite for leaving upgrade testing to outside of tripleo-ci | 14:27 |
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| EmilienM | so we have 2 options: 1) rollback to legacy rh1, and use full CI until newton, and then switch to rh1 ovb during the middle of 2 cycles or 2) switch now and rush for Newton | 14:27 |
| shardy | weshay_mtg: if there's a third-party job which can be reused, I'd be fine with that (at least as an interim measure) | 14:27 |
| weshay_mtg | we have success w/ major upgrades liberty -> mitaka it's been running well for a bit | 14:27 |
| weshay_mtg | shardy, ya.. let's go for that | 14:27 |
| weshay_mtg | matbu, apetrich_ ^ | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | 1) is not goof for longterm but less risky to produce Newton on time | 14:28 |
| derekh | Ohh, the other thing is that I'm not sure how much longer we can have rh2 for, it was a loan | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | how much work it is to bring up the legacy vs. the new one? | 14:28 |
| EmilienM | 2) is good for long term but much more risky for Newton date | 14:28 |
| weshay_mtg | derekh, well.. that one is up to me :) | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | Does it make sense to bring it up for couple of months and take back out again | 14:28 |
| weshay_mtg | derekh, you have it as long as you need it.. with in reason of course :) | 14:28 |
| derekh | weshay_mtg: ;-) | 14:28 |
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| derekh | weshay_mtg: thanks | 14:28 |
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| weshay_mtg | shardy, we could consider ssl and ipv6 third party candidates as well | 14:29 |
| EmilienM | weshay_mtg: what do you mean by third party? | 14:29 |
| weshay_mtg | adarazs, care to comment | 14:29 |
| adarazs | EmilienM: jobs running on CentOS CI. | 14:30 |
| shardy | weshay_mtg: well we had pretty good coverage of those via tripleo-ci before, so I'm happy to just retain that as part of the upstream test if possible | 14:30 |
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| weshay_mtg | k | 14:30 |
| EmilienM | right +1 with shardy | 14:30 |
| adarazs | I have a PoC job tested here: https://ci.centos.org/job/tripleo-quickstart-thirdparty-gate-master/ | 14:30 |
| shardy | weshay_mtg: the problem is our previous "upgrades" job never actually tested a proper version to version upgrade | 14:30 |
| EmilienM | no need of 3rd party CI for SSL & ipv6, we already cover it | 14:30 |
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| weshay_mtg | shardy, ya.. we have that nailed down now | 14:30 |
| shardy | so if we can save time by reusing some third-party tests for that, I think that's fine | 14:30 |
| weshay_mtg | matbu, can elaborate | 14:30 |
| shardy | weshay_mtg: that's good news, lets go with that as a first step then | 14:31 |
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| weshay_mtg | roger that | 14:31 |
| EmilienM | so what's decision? rh1 ovb during the next 2 weeks or defer it? | 14:31 |
| weshay_mtg | so a third party upgrade test hooked into tripleo git repos? | 14:31 |
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| shardy | Ok, we're going to have to timebox this, I think the consensus is OVB, but lets confirm via a vote on the ML | 14:31 |
| derekh | shardy: ack | 14:32 |
| shardy | my preference is to go ahead and OVB it | 14:32 |
| EmilienM | shardy: we really need to take newton cycle in consideration | 14:32 |
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| EmilienM | as a reminder, tripleo is now following official schedule since Newton | 14:32 |
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| EmilienM | #link releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 14:32 |
| shardy | EmilienM: we landed a ton of stuff for newton while rh1 was completely down | 14:32 |
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| shardy | I'm not sure I get why having a couple of folks, who aren't working on major features for newton, work on bringing it back up, will delay newton features | 14:33 |
| saneax | + for ovb | 14:33 |
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| saneax | +1* | 14:33 |
| shardy | it does increase the risk we break something in the meantime | 14:33 |
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| shardy | which is why we need it now, so we've got time to fix the regressions | 14:33 |
| EmilienM | I also +1 ovb, just warning people about newton schedule | 14:33 |
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| shardy | EmilienM: ack, thanks for the reminder, we've certainly still got a lot to do | 14:33 |
| EmilienM | right, a very few blueprints are completed | 14:34 |
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| shardy | 3) Status of the switch to mistral API in tripleo-common and python-heatclient | 14:34 |
| shardy | Ok, so I'll keep this one quick | 14:34 |
| shardy | we landed the first two steps towards adopting the mistral based API this week | 14:34 |
| d0ugal | \o/ | 14:34 |
| shardy | tripleoclient now drives node registration and introspection via mistral workflows :) | 14:34 |
| shardy | so, kudos to rbrady, dprince, d0ugal and everyone else who worked on that | 14:35 |
| shardy | I wanted to ask everyone to help with reviews and testing to speed up landing the remaining patches | 14:35 |
| EmilienM | nice move folks! | 14:35 |
| shardy | not all of them are ready yet, but we need folks to help improve the velocity during n-3 | 14:35 |
| trown | nice one! | 14:35 |
| shardy | that is all :) | 14:36 |
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| dprince | woohoo! | 14:36 |
| shardy | Â 4) (slagle) TripleO Deep Dive reminder. Thursdays at 1400 UTC https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-deep-dive-topics | 14:36 |
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| rbrady | list of patches here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-mistral-api | 14:36 |
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| shardy | So on Thursday I'm going to do a t-h-t overview into deep-dive | 14:36 |
| saneax | +1 for deep dive sessions, as a noob it helps a lot | 14:36 |
| slagle | shardy: i just wanted to remind folks. i guess it's been done :) | 14:36 |
| shardy | please let anyone who may be interested in attending know, and ping me with ideas of specific topics you'd like to see covered | 14:36 |
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| shardy | slagle: ack, thanks! :) | 14:37 |
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| shardy | Ok, since EmilienM already mentioned it, I'm going to skip to releases if that's OK with folks | 14:37 |
| shardy | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:37 |
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| jokke_ | the deep dives would be gr8 if that very same timebox didn't have triple booking already :( | 14:38 |
| shardy | jokke_: what TripleO booking? | 14:38 |
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| jokke_ | shardy: not TripleO, triple | 14:38 |
| shardy | jokke_: ah, OK well sorry about that | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | as in I have 3 other things to multitask on that same box | 14:38 |
| shardy | at least it's recorded | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:38 |
| shardy | So, re releases - newton-2 has been tagged | 14:39 |
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| shardy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/newton-2 | 14:39 |
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| shardy | Great work everyone! | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | \\o \o/ o// o/7 | 14:39 |
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| shardy | thanks to EmilienM for preparing the release patch | 14:39 |
| EmilienM | I sent an email about composable roles | 14:39 |
| EmilienM | the blueprint is considered implemented, remaining work is tracked here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bugs?field.tag=composable-roles | 14:39 |
| shardy | Regarding velocity tho, we landed zero blueprints in n1, and three in n2 (admittedly the composable sevices one was *huge*) | 14:39 |
| shardy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/newton-3 | 14:40 |
| dprince | EmilienM: so you want to use bugs because shardy closed our blueprint? | 14:40 |
| shardy | we have 14 blueprints targetted to n3, and I suspect some of them will not make it | 14:40 |
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| EmilienM | dprince: yeah, use launchpad to track what needs to be done in n3 | 14:40 |
| shardy | so please help by accurately ipdating status for delivery of these | 14:40 |
| dprince | EmilienM: confusing :), but fine with me | 14:40 |
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| shardy | so we can see before the last week of the milestone what's going to slip | 14:40 |
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| slagle | trown: are you still going to do a patch to update tripleo-docs to replace instack-virt-setup? | 14:41 |
| shardy | Also, please prioritize reviewing stuff so we can burn down that list | 14:41 |
| EmilienM | dprince: the implementation is considered as done, so shardy suggested to use bugs in launchpad for the rest of the work | 14:41 |
| trown | slagle: ya, it is on my list... just keeps getting pushed down | 14:41 |
| EmilienM | I think it's a good idea | 14:41 |
| slagle | trown: k, np. just wanted to double check | 14:42 |
| shardy | dprince: the archtecture change landed, and tracking all the service refactoring via one blueprint had become unmanageable | 14:42 |
| shardy | it's like more than 80 patches on 1 bp | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | also just reminder as the time is problem here. The regressions and bugfixes are ok to land after the FF, so perhaps focusing to get the features in by the end of Aug deadline | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | ? | 14:42 |
| shardy | so I thought we can track the remaining stuff in a more granular way | 14:42 |
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| shardy | it'll also help showing real velocity vs one mega-bp which keeps slipping | 14:42 |
| dprince | shardy: yep, for similar reasons this is why we agreed to abandon the SPEC for composable roles in favor of just iterating on docs... | 14:43 |
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| shardy | jokke_: Yep, good point, some of the bugs may slip into the RC/FF phase | 14:44 |
| shardy | so focus on landing features (and the most high priority bugs) would be good | 14:44 |
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| * bnemec is not a fan of slamming in broken things just to make FF | 14:44 | |
| bnemec | Though it is the OpenStack Way(tm) | 14:44 |
| dprince | shardy: can we get the jinja patch in, or done enough to land an initial iteration of composable roles (not services... but the next step) in Newton? | 14:45 |
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| dprince | shardy: I can help here if you need it | 14:45 |
| shardy | dprince: I hope so, I'm waiting on the deployment via mistral to be ready | 14:45 |
| dprince | shardy: w/ Mistral stuff | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | bnemec: didn't mean merging broken things just to make the deadline, but last week before FF is not the time to drop the 100 comment and doc typo fixing changes to the CI | 14:45 |
| dprince | shardy: ack | 14:45 |
| karthiks | FYI, we are working on DPDK and will push patches soon | 14:45 |
| shardy | then I'll refactor the jinja2 patch into tripleo-common and revive the t-h-t series | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | s/the/those/ | 14:45 |
| EmilienM | shardy, dprince: big +1 on it | 14:46 |
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| shardy | bnemec: agree, but we do need to improve velocity on the remaining features or they won't make newton at all | 14:46 |
| dprince | karthiks: ack | 14:46 |
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| dprince | shardy: regarding the release schedule and given our composability I don't think we need to block newly composable service patches that are off by defualt | 14:47 |
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| dprince | shardy: I'd like to get agreement on this | 14:47 |
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| dprince | shardy: essentially, if a service is off by default... we can accept it safely I think if a group (vendor, etc.) confirms it works for them | 14:47 |
| shardy | dprince: during feature freeze maybe, but we can't backport features to stable branches anymore | 14:47 |
| EmilienM | it hurts me to review code that is not tested but well, it's like it's an agreement | 14:47 |
| dprince | EmilienM: this is stuff we can't test upstream in most cases I think | 14:48 |
| shardy | dprince: I think folks can ask for a FF exception for new service stuff landing near the end of the cycle | 14:48 |
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| jokke_ | dprince: not sure if I have vote here, but I'd like to disagree. New feature is new feature regardless if it's default on or off. And the whole point of Feature Freeze is to get folks focusing on stabilizing before the release | 14:48 |
| slagle | i'm not sure this is a decision we should make as a project. does it violate the intent of the OpenStack FF? | 14:48 |
| shardy | we're cycle-lagging so we have a little time beyond the main FF http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 14:48 |
| shardy | e.g we can release up to two weeks after newton final, although I'd prefer not to | 14:49 |
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| trown | ya, I think we should be releasing as close to puppet as possible | 14:49 |
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| shardy | slagle: the process is (AIUI) folks can request a FFE, which is either approved or denied by the project | 14:49 |
| shardy | I think we can just do that | 14:49 |
| slagle | ok, yea, that seems more inline | 14:50 |
| shardy | if someone wants to integrate an off-by-default service, we'll say yes, if it's something else super-risky we'll say no | 14:50 |
| dprince | shardy: process is fine, but I'm suggestning we be leanient | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | shardy: projects can also set their own freeze dateb before RC1 | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | like Nova for example froze effectively already | 14:50 |
| EmilienM | trown: we release the day of official release or sometimes between > 0 and < 5 days after (trailing model) | 14:51 |
| shardy | Yeah, we could freeze later, say when the other projects are cutting their RC's | 14:51 |
| shardy | I'll start a ML thread on that topic | 14:51 |
| trown | EmilienM: right, just saying that tripleo should be as close to that as possible... not a week later because we merged something risky last minute | 14:51 |
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| jokke_ | shardy: well if tripleO is release-with-milestones the RC1 date is locked again | 14:51 |
| shardy | #topic CI | 14:52 |
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| jokke_ | so postponing FF date just shortens the time between | 14:52 |
| EmilienM | trown: ++ | 14:52 |
| shardy | derekh: want to give an update on the CI impacting issues, e.g nonha and mitaka? | 14:52 |
| derekh | I've nothing pressing to discuse in CI, that we havn't already | 14:52 |
| derekh | shardy: mitaka should now be working again I think | 14:52 |
| shardy | (Sorry I'm going to skip bugs and specs this week as we're short on time) | 14:52 |
| derekh | shardy: and we're testing a fix for nonha | 14:52 |
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| shardy | derekh: Yeah, I noticed we don't run nonha on tripleo-ci changes | 14:53 |
| shardy | so I pushed a dib change with a Depends-On | 14:53 |
| shardy | we should probably add that I guess | 14:53 |
| shardy | Other than the OVB thing, anyone have anything else re CI? | 14:54 |
| derekh | shardy: I added a comment to your review comment, its in the expremental queue, I don't know why it didn't trigger | 14:54 |
| shardy | slagle: what's the status of the multinode job? | 14:54 |
| shardy | derekh: Ah, OK - I saw the experimental result and it wasn't ther | 14:54 |
| shardy | there | 14:54 |
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| shardy | thanks | 14:54 |
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| slagle | shardy: passed yesterday | 14:54 |
| EmilienM | kudos to slagle to make multi-node job working :-) | 14:54 |
| slagle | for the 1st time | 14:55 |
| shardy | ++ it's great to see another way to add coverage | 14:55 |
| slagle | i am cleaning up a couple of things | 14:55 |
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| derekh | shardy: are are two sets of jobs that run in check experimental, the tripleo ones and the non tripleo ones(multinode), they report back separately | 14:55 |
| slagle | we need the tht patch to land as well | 14:55 |
| shardy | derekh: aha, thanks, that explains it | 14:55 |
| slagle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222772/ | 14:55 |
| derekh | and multinode is quick, while is nice | 14:55 |
| slagle | actually i guess it's ready to go, it passed CI | 14:56 |
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| slagle | shardy: i will need to sync with you later, i could not get the POLL_HEAT setting to work | 14:56 |
| shardy | slagle: I commented on that, I think the credentials part can be improved but we can do that later | 14:56 |
| slagle | or whatever it's called | 14:56 |
| shardy | slagle: OK, I can help with that | 14:56 |
| shardy | not a blocker to landing the first revision IMO | 14:56 |
| shardy | #topic Open Discussion | 14:56 |
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| shardy | So, there was one thing | 14:56 |
| shardy | on the ML there's a thread about OpenStack logos, and I was approached directly about the "official" project logo | 14:57 |
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| shardy | I assume everyone is keen to keep our proven TripleOwl theme as a mascot? | 14:57 |
| dprince | shardy: ++ | 14:57 |
| slagle | yes i am | 14:58 |
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| dprince | I think this would be "wise" | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:58 |
| slagle | although our tshirts will be vintage if we get a new logo | 14:58 |
| * derekh like the owl | 14:58 | |
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| saneax | +1 | 14:58 |
| shardy | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099046.html | 14:58 |
| trown | lol at wise | 14:58 |
| ccamacho | owl++ | 14:58 |
| trown | +1 | 14:58 |
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| derekh | dprince: I see what you did there, you such a hoot | 14:58 |
| shardy | lol :) | 14:58 |
| trown | cant switch it after EmilienM gets it tattoo'd | 14:58 |
| EmilienM | dude I'll got my tatoo soon, I know you're waiting for it | 14:58 |
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| dprince | derekh: hoot! | 14:59 |
| shardy | Ok, cool, well I replied to that effect already but wanted to confirm and draw attention to the discussion | 14:59 |
| dprince | shardy: because this is the most important thing | 14:59 |
| shardy | They're talking about redesigning logos to be more consistent, but I assume we'll get a vote in the outcome | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | TripleO also gets the priority for it as it's established logo IIUC | 14:59 |
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| shardy | Ok, out of time, thanks everyone! | 15:00 |
| dprince | shardy: oh, that scares me | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | thnx | 15:00 |
| shardy | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | shardy: thx! | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 12 15:00:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| ccamacho | thanks guys! | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-07-12-14.00.html | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-07-12-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
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| saneax | thx al | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-07-12-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 12 16:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-07-12_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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| strigazi | Spyros Trigazis | 16:00 |
| Drago | o/ | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:00 |
| muralia | Murali Allada | 16:00 |
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| vijendar1 | o/ | 16:00 |
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| dane_leblanc | o/ | 16:00 |
| jvgrant_ | Jaycen Grant | 16:00 |
| tango | Ton Ngo | 16:00 |
| mtanino | o/ | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | hello strigazi, Drago, muralia, vijendar1, dane_leblanc, jvgrant_, tango, and mtanino | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | I'll wait a moment for more participants to join us | 16:01 |
| rpothier | Rob Pothier | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | hello rpothier | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | I am serving as chair today while hongbin is on vacation. | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) If you are submitting talks for Barcelona, the deadline is tomorrow. | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | any other announcements form team members? | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | *from | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | (none) | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Essential Blueprints Review | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) Support baremetal container clusters (strigazi) | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-baremetal-full-support | 16:04 |
| strigazi | I'm fixing the gate job for k8s-ironic #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336433/ | 16:04 |
| strigazi | I rebased the fixed templates on k8s drivers patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320968/ | 16:04 |
| strigazi | Madhuri is working on swarm but couldn't attend the meeting today. | 16:05 |
| strigazi | That's it for this week | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | thanks strigazi. I'll review that today. | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | any questions about this topic? | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | ok, advancing to the next... | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | 2) Magnum User Guide for Cloud Operator (tango) | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide | 16:06 |
| tango | I uploaded the section for bay: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340670/ | 16:06 |
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| tango | This should cover all the key new sections. Next I will start consolidating existing docs into the user guide | 16:07 |
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| tango | like TLS, Mesos | 16:07 |
| tango | Horizon plugin | 16:07 |
| tango | So, steady progress | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | tango: thanks. When you consolidate, lets take sections that belong both in the user guide and the quickstart, and brea them into common files that each includes | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | so we follow the DRY principle | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | otherwise maintenance may get sloppy | 16:08 |
| tango | DRY? | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | Don't Repeat Yourself (code/doc duplication) | 16:08 |
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| tango | ok | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | tx! | 16:08 |
| tango | That's all I have for now | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | Any discussion on this BP? | 16:09 |
| strigazi | yes | 16:09 |
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| strigazi | about lbaas, are we going to add it to the user guide? | 16:09 |
| strigazi | We are close to decouple | 16:09 |
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| tango | Which aspect of lbaas? | 16:09 |
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| strigazi | and I could remove it from the install-guide | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | youmean guidance for how to add it, or integrate with it? | 16:10 |
| strigazi | How to add it | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | ideally we should put a stub of the documentation with high level guidance as part of the commit(s) to decouple | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | it does not need to be perfect, but at least something directional | 16:11 |
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| strigazi | ok | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | we can iterate on it as needed to make it nice and tight | 16:11 |
| tango | Let me take a closer look and we can figure out the best approach | 16:11 |
| strigazi | On my next revision I'll put it with the optional services | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | tango, that much makes sense to me, Agreed? | 16:12 |
| tango | yes | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | ok, great | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | any more on this topic? | 16:12 |
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| adrian_otto | 3) COE Bay Drivers (jamie_h, muralia) | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/bay-drivers | 16:13 |
| muralia | We made good progress on this blue print last week | 16:13 |
| muralia | most driver patches got merged. | 16:13 |
| muralia | there's one remaining. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339196/ | 16:13 |
| muralia | it needs to be reviewed and merged. | 16:13 |
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| muralia | once this is merged, the next step is to focus on using stevedore to dynamically load the driver | 16:14 |
| muralia | so cores, please review the patch. | 16:14 |
| muralia | thats all for now | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | thanks muralia. | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | Discussion on this BP? | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, next one | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | 4) Create a magnum installation guide (strigazi) | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-installation-guide | 16:15 |
| strigazi | This is the list of Installation tutorials and guides. Magnum is there. http://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/draft/index.html | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | should this BP be marked as implemented? | 16:15 |
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| strigazi | No, I'm testing debian packages that I have built from master and I'll push this week. | 16:16 |
| strigazi | after that we mark it as implemented | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks. | 16:16 |
| strigazi | I'll push three guides. debian with debconf, debian without debconf and ubuntu without debconf. | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | any questions on this BP? | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | The next topic is one I'd like to ask everyone about | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones) | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | each week hongbin calls for this, and there is near universal silence afterward. | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | is anyone working on magnum-ui? | 16:17 |
| Drago | I haven't seen a patch from bradjones for months | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | SHould this be dropped from the team meeting agenda? | 16:17 |
| Drago | Or look for someone else to pick it up? | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | perhaps it should be dropped from the standing agenda, and only added by request as there are topics to share/discuss. | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | that's why I'm asking now. | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | I have a feeling the magnum team and the magnum-ui teams actually don't overlap | 16:18 |
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| tango | We can add to the agenda as needed | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | and if there is no activity, should we move to remove magnum-ui as a project? | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | or move it to an archived state? | 16:19 |
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| tango | Can we ping the ui team to get some feedback on their plan? | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I'll drop it from the agenda template for next week, and hongbin can decide what he'd like to do about it. | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | I can leave a placeholder there about inactivity concern | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, next topic | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Kuryr Integration Update (tango) | 16:21 |
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| tango | I was on the IRC last night but apparently the Kuryr team did not meet. | 16:22 |
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| adrian_otto | Are there magnum team members working on this currently? I have not noticed reviews for this yet. | 16:23 |
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| tango | Now that I am back, I am resuming the integration work with our Swarm bay. | 16:23 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, be sure to base that on the swarm bay driver | 16:23 |
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| adrian_otto | no need to wait on that, but find the related patches currently in review | 16:24 |
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| tango | Yes, I noticed. I am still in development mode. Last thing I tried was to bring up the Kolla image for running Openvswitch agent | 16:24 |
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| adrian_otto | ok | 16:24 |
| tango | Once I get the prototype working, I will start submitting patches | 16:25 |
| tango | That's all for now | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | any more questions/discussions on kuryr integration? | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Other blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | I have one | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | any others to register interest in before I start? | 16:26 |
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| tango | I would like to bring up Swarm 2.0 | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | tango: ok. Thinking of doing that as a new bay driver? | 16:26 |
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| tango | Yes, or at least start the discussion | 16:27 |
| tango | It's still early | 16:27 |
| strigazi | tango: you mean 1.2? | 16:27 |
| muralia | do we know the release date yet? | 16:27 |
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| tango | No, actually 2.0, separate from 1.2 | 16:28 |
| mtanino | Are there a plan to support Docker swarm mode at docker 1.12? | 16:28 |
| strigazi | ok | 16:28 |
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| strigazi | 1.12 have a lot of functionality of swarm | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | yes, we will definitely use 1.12 | 16:28 |
| mtanino | strigazi: yeah | 16:28 |
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| strigazi | we could start working on a bay driver for docker 1.12 | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | so tango, I might suggest skipping swarm 2.0 and doing docker 1.12 instead | 16:29 |
| muralia | should that just be version 2.0 of the same swarm bay driver we have today? | 16:29 |
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| strigazi | I would say a new driver | 16:29 |
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| strigazi | There are a lot new thing introduced in 1.12 | 16:30 |
| strigazi | *things | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | my rationale is because 1.12 bakes swarm right into docker. | 16:30 |
| tango | 2.0 is significantly different, so it would make sense to have separate driver for 1.12 and 2.0 | 16:30 |
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| muralia | drivers were based on just image-coe combination | 16:30 |
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| adrian_otto | oh, I see what you are thinking | 16:30 |
| tango | We can do 1.12 for now, and start thinking about 2.0 | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | ok, yes, that should be the order. | 16:31 |
| mtanino | tango: looks good idea :) | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | any other reviews or BP's needing team discussion today? | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, I have a question | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | I'm working with https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_magnum | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | when we use that to set up Magnum, we get a working API, but... | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | we are stuck when we create a bay because the trustee user (bay user) is unable to download the certificate from the magnum API | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | the trust token is rejected by keystone | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | so we *think* that something about the roles for the trust are goofed up | 16:34 |
| tango | Have you tried just using Heat alone? | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | so the symptom is that you can create a bay, but it remains CREATE_IN_PROGRESS forever | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | the cloiud-init script part-006 fails because of the condition I mentioned above | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | so cloud-init never finishes. | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | devstack seems to work fine | 16:36 |
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| adrian_otto | when I look at both devstack and osad deployment of magnum, both appear to be configured the same | 16:36 |
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| adrian_otto | each with the "admin" user and and admin role as the trustor and the bay user as the trustee. | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | so I'm at a loss to explain it. | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | One idea is that with osad, the trustee (bay user) has *two* roles assigned (heat_stack_owner and admin) | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | and in devstack, the trustee (bay user) only has *one* role assigned (admin). | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | is it possible that our policy check does not properly respect multiple roles? | 16:38 |
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| adrian_otto | strigazi or tango, any ideas? | 16:39 |
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| tango | I am setting up Magnum manually in a standard OpenStack environment. I am seeing a problem that seems to be similar. | 16:40 |
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| tango | Keystone rejects the trust token | 16:40 |
| strigazi | I'll try to regenerate it. Both swarm bay and k8s are not able to finish? | 16:40 |
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| tango | When I tried just running a Heat template, it fails also. | 16:40 |
| chris__hultin | strigazi: We haven't tried Swarm yet. | 16:40 |
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| adrian_otto | we see the problem with k8s bays | 16:40 |
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| muralia | are the keystone versions the same as in devstack? | 16:41 |
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| chris_hultin | muralia: I'm not sure about DevStack, but we're running stable/mitaka versions of everything besides Magnum | 16:41 |
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| muralia | ok | 16:42 |
| chris_hultin | adrian_otto: Do you know what keystone version we are running? | 16:42 |
| strigazi | We have keystone in liberty and we haven't come across this problem AFAIK | 16:43 |
| strigazi | I'll ask again tomorrow | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | tango: in your malfunctioning setup, if you do a "openstack trust show <trust_id>" on the trust listed in the /etc/sysconfig/heat-params file, so you see multiple roles? Or do you see only "admin" | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | chris_hultin: I can look | 16:43 |
| strigazi | chris_hultin adrian_otto for magnum we use the same domain as heat | 16:44 |
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| adrian_otto | devstack uses the domain "Default" | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | for the magnum trusts at least | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | I mean... | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | the admin users are in the Default domain | 16:45 |
| tango | I will have to check later, but I think it would be multiple roles | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | The only user I see in the magnum domain in devstack is "trustee_domain_admin" | 16:46 |
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| strigazi | instead of this user we use heat_domain_admin | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | oh, ok | 16:46 |
| strigazi | we, at CERN | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | we can give that a try | 16:47 |
| strigazi | We did so because of CERN restrictions on users | 16:47 |
| strigazi | We haven't try with magnum_domain_admin at all | 16:48 |
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| adrian_otto | okay, so I'll ping you guys in #openstack-containers with what we learn. I'd love to have ansible as another deployment mechanism to add to our list. | 16:49 |
| strigazi | fyi, we use puppet | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | thanks to you both! | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:49 |
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| Drago | I would like reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338535/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338537/ | 16:50 |
| Drago | It will complete the decouple-lbaas blueprint | 16:50 |
| strigazi | :) | 16:50 |
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| adrian_otto | whoot! | 16:51 |
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| Drago | Also, please give your input on whether you think this should be backported to mitaka in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337390/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336702/ | 16:51 |
| tango | will do | 16:51 |
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| muralia | Also, please start adding topics to the mid-cycle etherpad | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | Drago: 337390 is not passing gate | 16:53 |
| Drago | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-newton-midcycle-topics | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | looks like Abishek's revisions may have caused that? | 16:54 |
| Drago | adrian_otto: 337390 is against the stable/mitaka branch | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | yes, I see that | 16:55 |
| Drago | I don't really know where it is code wise. I'm of the mind that it shouldn't be backported | 16:55 |
| strigazi | +1 | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | then why did you submit it for review? | 16:55 |
| Drago | I did not | 16:56 |
| Drago | It lists me as the author, but I do not own that patch (Owner: Abishek Chanda) | 16:56 |
| Drago | *Abhishek | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | oh, that's confusing | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | is it becuase he copied the commit from the master branch as a backport? | 16:57 |
| Drago | I think so | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | I see that he uploaded patch set 1. Got it. | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, thanks everyone for attending. Our next meeting will be Tuesday 2016-07-19 at 1600 UTC. I will be on vacation. | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 12 16:59:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-07-12-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-07-12-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-07-12-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 12 17:00:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #topic rollcall | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:01 |
| vakovalchuk | o/ | 17:01 |
| oshykhkerimov | o/ | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | hi there guys =) | 17:02 |
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| oshykhkerimov | hi C: | 17:02 |
| vakovalchuk | hi | 17:02 |
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| ddovbii__ | hi, folks | 17:02 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I suspect this meeting to be pretty short, unless someone has something to discuss | 17:03 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev_mb | the agenda is pretty thin for today ) | 17:03 |
| zhurong | 0/ | 17:03 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Action Items Review | 17:04 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | well, looks like there is only one for me from prev time — about agent versions | 17:04 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | and tbh I've decided to leave it the way it is for this cycle, since we already have n1 beta release | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | to make it clean and clear for everyone involved | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Open Discussion | 17:06 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so, I can share a couple of updates. | 17:07 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340954/ | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | here is a commit to infra, that adds py27 jobs with mitaka reqs on master | 17:08 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | The idea is to ensure we can install master murano on top of mitaka code. Since there is an assumption, that we rarely use features from recent releases. | 17:09 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | and having this — should help us improve adoption | 17:09 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | then | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | n2 is this week | 17:10 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | will tag the commits around thursday | 17:10 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | also want to bring some attention to my letter about dashboards | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/098907.html | 17:11 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/apps-dashboard-structure | 17:11 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | saw kfox updating the etherpad, would appreciate some opinions from murano team there too ) | 17:12 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | oh, and I'm working in the background on having our packages (ubuntu/debian/rdo) updated. Still gotta ping rdo guys though | 17:13 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok. I think that's all I have for now ) | 17:15 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | let's wait 5-10 more minutes and finish the meeting early then ) | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | unless someone has anything to share/discuss | 17:20 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, thanks everyone for joining today =) | 17:34 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 17:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 12 17:34:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-07-12-17.00.html | 17:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-07-12-17.00.txt | 17:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-07-12-17.00.log.html | 17:34 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 12 19:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
| pvaneck | o/ | 19:00 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-07-12 | 19:01 |
| sslypushenko | o/ | 19:02 |
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| catherineD | let's wait for a couple mins for others to join .. | 19:03 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 19:03 |
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| catherineD | Meeting agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-07-12 | 19:04 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 19:04 |
| catherineD | alright let's start | 19:05 |
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| catherineD | #topic Mascot for RefStack | 19:05 |
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| catherineD | Deadline for submission: Jul 27 | 19:05 |
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| catherineD | please think aboutthe mascot ... we will spend more time on this next week | 19:07 |
| Rockyg | k | 19:07 |
| catherineD | #topic Using refstacl-client to update product table product_ref_id | 19:07 |
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| catherineD | 2 reviews by Andrey | 19:08 |
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| catherineD | #link Authenticate user for update product with public key and signature ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335877/ ) | 19:08 |
| catherineD | #link Add register cloud command ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335883/ ) | 19:08 |
| catherineD | I do not have any issues with the 2 patches ... everyone please review | 19:09 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: ok, will do | 19:09 |
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| catherineD | we can come back to this if Andrey shows up.... meanwhile I would like to move on the the next topic | 19:10 |
| catherineD | #topic Test results ownership | 19:10 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko: from the last meeting , I feel like we need to define what is ownership? Here we are talking about ownership of the data ... | 19:11 |
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| catherineD | whoever own the data can delete/share/assciating data to guideline .. | 19:12 |
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| sslypushenko | catherineD: actually, I don't care about terms and definitions ... | 19:13 |
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| catherineD | currently for the data that vendors use for certification some were uploaded anonymously, others were uploaded by a signed user. | 19:14 |
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| sslypushenko | I just don't like and idea that Foundation can delete results used for certification... but I can live with it | 19:14 |
| sslypushenko | Unfortunately, Alex does care about terms and definitions( | 19:15 |
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| catherineD | I understand Alex's position ... I would like to know other team members' position | 19:16 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: I'm not sure we would ever use it, but I understand your worry | 19:16 |
| Rockyg | Maybe we should do something like original owner and foundation? So foundation is an extra field and if it's filld, it can delete, but with notification? | 19:16 |
| Rockyg | And notification whn it becomes the second owner? | 19:17 |
| sslypushenko | hogepodge: I fully understand you) It is just to underline that ownership control usually are not low hanging fruit | 19:18 |
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| catherineD | At some point the project need to move on with majority's consensus | 19:18 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: I don't mind if we decide that cerfication result should never be deleted .. | 19:19 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: majority's consensus not an option in our case... we need full consensus | 19:20 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: I don't believe in full consensus | 19:20 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: why not? | 19:20 |
| catherineD | because we will never reach that | 19:20 |
| catherineD | and the project need to proceed | 19:21 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: allowing filibusters would end this project, and others | 19:21 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: we will come back to your comments later | 19:21 |
| sslypushenko | without active development this project will end to | 19:22 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko: agreed ... I want to remind everyone that we do not have many developers ... but we can not just rely any individuals either | 19:24 |
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| sslypushenko | Vendors guidelines - is a feature which can make RefStack interesting not only for DefCore certification | 19:24 |
| sslypushenko | We definitely need it if we are planning to move forward | 19:25 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: I've been pretty clear that until defcore features are addressed, it out of scope | 19:25 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: I agreed ..and I am all for that ... | 19:25 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: I've also tried to make it clear that once defcore is where it needs to be, additional guidelines are useful, especially in relation to projects | 19:25 |
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| sslypushenko | hogepodge: yeap, it is totally clear | 19:25 |
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| sslypushenko | actually we don't need this feature in refstack.org | 19:26 |
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| sslypushenko | but I see real use cases, where people can use it locally | 19:26 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: but vendor specific guidelines make loads of people queasy, including myself, some TC members, and infra members. This project isn't a general *aaS, it's meant to help with OpenStack interoperability | 19:27 |
| sslypushenko | hogepodge: that is also true | 19:28 |
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| hogepodge | but I'd love to see Heat, and EC2, and Ceilometer, and ... have guidelines about what they define interoperability for their projects. I think it's really important, and that means adding support for additional guidelines | 19:28 |
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| hogepodge | That means the support being there, and vendors can and will find a way to take advantage of it, either as a private deployment or through projects or maybe vendor support | 19:29 |
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| catherineD | I believe we all have the same goal for OpenStack Interop ... but we need to set priority and for Newton the priority is to fulfil DefCore requirements l | 19:29 |
| sslypushenko | without community guidelines, it is not possible to handle all openstack project. | 19:29 |
| hogepodge | I feel like we're hung up on getting short term work done because we're arguing about things much further down the line | 19:29 |
| Rockyg | hogepodge, the reason we are pushing so hard on this is EC2. mor than 30% of respondnts to th survys use it, so having that guideline available is extremely valuable | 19:30 |
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| hogepodge | Rockyg: I understand, but there are features for defcore that are needed now that we don't have | 19:30 |
| catherineD | Can we be focus on what current topic -- which is mark test results as certify ... | 19:31 |
| hogepodge | Rockyg: so I don't want to spend my time on EC2 when the mission statement and needs require otherwise. I'm not saying I want to ignore it long term, rhough | 19:31 |
| Rockyg | We just need to ensure that current work doesn't preclude future. | 19:31 |
| sslypushenko | Rockyg: I'd say EC2 and S3 | 19:31 |
| hogepodge | Rockyg: it doesn't, except for the arguing about it for the last few months | 19:31 |
| catherineD | if I may ... could we focus on discussing certify test results | 19:31 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: yes, sorry | 19:32 |
| catherineD | sorry everyone ... I just need us to be focus | 19:32 |
| sslypushenko | Right now Defcore criteria for Object Storage are very far from real customers exprectation | 19:32 |
| sslypushenko | It is just an example | 19:33 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: could we discuss certification of test results? | 19:33 |
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| Rockyg | ++ catherineD | 19:33 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: we can) | 19:33 |
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| sslypushenko | But I don't have disagreements here) | 19:33 |
| catherineD | so the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332260/ suggest to identify the test results by adding a column to the test record ... | 19:34 |
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| catherineD | do we agree on that? | 19:34 |
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| Rockyg | me, either :) | 19:34 |
| pvaneck | +1 | 19:34 |
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| sslypushenko | suggested solution works for me) | 19:35 |
| sslypushenko | from technical point of view... | 19:35 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: great ... then could everyone look at line 58 to 66 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332260/4/specs/newton/approved/associate-test-result-to-product.rst | 19:36 |
| sslypushenko | Also, I see possible future issues, at the same I don't have a plan how we will overcame it) | 19:36 |
| catherineD | 1) Only interop admins can make update to the "certification" field. any opinion here? please +1, -1 | 19:37 |
| sslypushenko | +1 | 19:37 |
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| pvaneck | +1 | 19:38 |
| hogepodge | +1 | 19:38 |
| Rockyg | +1 | 19:39 |
| catherineD | Thanks ! 2) Only a test record which has been associated to a guideline and target program can be marked as certified | 19:39 |
| sslypushenko | it is obvious thing, I guess) | 19:40 |
| catherineD | This just means that if the test is certififed it needed to be certified against a specific guideline | 19:40 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: I have anonymous test results that I'm using for certification | 19:40 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: right now I'm pairing products/guidelines externally from refstack | 19:41 |
| Rockyg | What about version of SW, also? | 19:41 |
| sslypushenko | hogepodge: we have to change it) | 19:41 |
| hogepodge | change what? | 19:41 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: that just means that you may need to do guideline association before marking that record as certified in RefStack | 19:42 |
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| catherineD | Rockyg: You mean version of OpenStack release? | 19:42 |
| sslypushenko | anonymous test results will be owned by Foundation | 19:42 |
| Rockyg | yes | 19:42 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: I don't want all anonymous test results | 19:43 |
| catherineD | we do not have version identifier at the moment ... that maybe something to think about later .. | 19:43 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: it would amount to spamming me every time someone sends something up to see how refstack works, or trying to figure out how to make their tests pass | 19:43 |
| Rockyg | hogepodge, you only need to keep the ones that are certification results | 19:43 |
| sslypushenko | hogepodge: At least you can manage only that you interested in) | 19:43 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: I'm only interested in the anonymous test results that I'm interested in | 19:43 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: no, I don't want to be responsible for deleting all anonymous results I don't want | 19:44 |
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| hogepodge | sslypushenko: it's a ddos attack on my productivity | 19:44 |
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| sslypushenko | hogepodge: Also, I guess it will be good idea to forbid sending anonymous test results on certification | 19:44 |
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| sslypushenko | do you agree with that? | 19:45 |
| hogepodge | Rockyg: sslypushenko: I want to claim the results I want, not reject the ones I don't | 19:45 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: I don't | 19:45 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: ++ once we have all of this in place .. and hogepodge: has marked all the data that he is interesting in .... we will stop anonymous data upload ... and think about data archiving | 19:45 |
| Rockyg | So, do you see continuing to get anonymous tests, or is this just because we don't have some needd code in place | 19:46 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: the workflow for setting up an account is not clear to me. I haven't successfully done it | 19:46 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: the generation and upload of the keys and secrets is really nonintuitive, and not entirely in line with other key upload processes I've done in the past | 19:47 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: so forcing users to create an account is a barrier, and I want lower barriers rather than higher ones for now | 19:47 |
| sslypushenko | hogepodge: we have a manual how to do that, it should not be a problem | 19:47 |
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| Rockyg | time to get Piet involved! | 19:48 |
| hogepodge | The signature is problematic. I've never needed it before | 19:49 |
| sslypushenko | hogepodge: btw we can remove signature | 19:49 |
| sslypushenko | if you think that is a problem | 19:49 |
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| hogepodge | I don't know what it's even used for, and if I need to keep it around for anything else | 19:49 |
| piet | Feel free to pull me in when you have a specific need | 19:50 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: Let's work on that ... My hope is at some point we will stop anonymous data upload ... so that the user can manage their own data | 19:50 |
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| sslypushenko | it is a protection from pubkey spoofing... pubkey should you unique... because we use it for association between users and test results | 19:51 |
| catherineD | let's go back to question #2 we required that certified data to have guideline associated to it .... +1, -1 | 19:52 |
| catherineD | pls | 19:52 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: I'm neutron on that point | 19:52 |
| hogepodge | 0 for me | 19:52 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: Rockyg: pvaneck: ? | 19:52 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: thx | 19:53 |
| sslypushenko | hogepodge: so, if for example I know your pubkey, I can upload it as mine... And then you will not be able to upload it as yours | 19:53 |
| Rockyg | Whereas I'm proton ;) +1 | 19:53 |
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| sslypushenko | catherineD: +1 | 19:53 |
| pvaneck | yea, let's go +1 on that | 19:53 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: :-) | 19:53 |
| catherineD | ok last one | 19:53 |
| sslypushenko | hogepodge: signature it is just a way how to prevent such cases | 19:54 |
| catherineD | 3) Once a test record is marked as certified, only interop admins can remove/delete the test record pls +1 -1 | 19:54 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko: for item 3... I can update saying that once the test results is used as certification ... it can never be deleted | 19:55 |
| catherineD | so 3.1 is never delete ... | 19:55 |
| Rockyg | +1 Please add with notification of product admin, or add a 4. that has that so we can move on the code..... | 19:55 |
| sslypushenko | -1 for ability to deletion. test record is marked as certified should be unchanged) | 19:55 |
| Rockyg | sslypushenko, that's 3.1 | 19:56 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: 3.1 OK with you? | 19:56 |
| sslypushenko | interop admin can remove certification mark, if it is required | 19:56 |
| sslypushenko | yeap 3.1 +1) | 19:56 |
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| hogepodge | no opinion on that for me | 19:57 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: ok so 3.1 and add that interop admin can remove the certification mark | 19:57 |
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| sslypushenko | catherineD: great | 19:57 |
| pvaneck | that sounds fine | 19:57 |
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| catherineD | ok thanks everyone ... I will split out the spec to a new one just focus on the certification part ... | 19:57 |
| catherineD | and you all will +1 on the new spec right? :-) | 19:57 |
| sslypushenko | sure) | 19:58 |
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| catherineD | now we are getting somewhere .... thanks so much!!! You make my day :-) | 19:58 |
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| catherineD | 2 mins left ... next week we will discuss mascot and cloudid vs productid | 19:59 |
| catherineD | any last minute thoughts? | 19:59 |
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| Rockyg | yup. +1 spec | 19:59 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: thx | 19:59 |
| catherineD | ok thank you all again! | 20:00 |
| catherineD | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 12 20:00:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-07-12-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-07-12-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-07-12-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
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