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| BobBall | #startmeeting XenAPI | 09:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 6 09:45:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:45 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 09:45 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 09:45 |
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| BobBall | huanxie: pls let jianghua and john know where we are | 09:45 |
| BobBall | ah - here's jianghuaw | 09:45 |
| BobBall | OK - so - BPs are both merged, which is good | 09:45 |
| huanxie | yes | 09:45 |
| jianghuaw | hi Bob. I'm in ;-) | 09:45 |
| BobBall | #topic Bugs | 09:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 09:45 | |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: any update on the iscsi SR naming scheme over upgrades? | 09:46 |
| BobBall | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1566622 | 09:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1566622 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "live migration fails with xenapi virt driver and SRs with old-style naming convention" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Corey Wright (coreywright) | 09:46 |
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| BobBall | it's been high in progress for some time - 1.5 months | 09:46 |
| BobBall | do you know if corey is still working on this? | 09:47 |
| BobBall | Sorry - 2.5 months | 09:47 |
| BobBall | Does Rackspace have a solution for this one internally? | 09:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | don't know | 09:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | corey is usually on IRC in the afternoons, its worth pinging him for an update | 09:48 |
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| BobBall | I'll try and remember. | 09:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | AFAIK he must have something working | 09:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | I suspect its the patch thats in review | 09:49 |
| BobBall | Any other bugs worth mentioning? huanxie jianghuaw huazhihao/ | 09:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | my comments are about maintainability rather than functionality | 09:49 |
| BobBall | I thought he -1'd the patch in review because there were outstanding questions? | 09:50 |
| BobBall | oh - my mistake - just that he hasn't finished the new UT | 09:50 |
| BobBall | I can chase him to see what the status is. | 09:50 |
| BobBall | So - any other bugs? | 09:50 |
| jianghuaw | Bob: not working on bug. focusing on CI currently. | 09:51 |
| huanxie | I don't have bugs ATM | 09:51 |
| BobBall | ok, that's good | 09:51 |
| BobBall | I suspect this will be a short meeting. | 09:51 |
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| BobBall | There are some reviews up for new UTs johnthetubaguy - particularly in the plugin code | 09:51 |
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| BobBall | we've been holding off on adding more UT for the plugins until thsoe reviews went through inc ase there were changes in approach recommended | 09:52 |
| BobBall | so reviews on them would be appreciated. | 09:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | what are the patches? | 09:52 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we just went over 1000 patches in the queue the other day | 09:52 |
| jianghuaw | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286383/ | 09:53 |
| BobBall | heh :) nice | 09:53 |
| BobBall | there are some comments from me on them - I'd forgotten that | 09:53 |
| BobBall | the one jianghuaw posted is clean though | 09:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, added that into https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 09:54 |
| BobBall | we have UT for glance and bandwidth plugins also up, but as I say they have comments on currently | 09:54 |
| BobBall | #topic AOB | 09:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 09:54 | |
| BobBall | Feels like there is nothing else on bugs, so | 09:54 |
| BobBall | Just for information, MOS 9 + XenServer has now been verified and published | 09:55 |
| BobBall | Correction, MOS 8 | 09:55 |
| BobBall | That is all from me. | 09:55 |
| BobBall | Anyone else? | 09:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | nothing from me | 09:55 |
| BobBall | ok let's close there then. | 09:56 |
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| huanxie | Thanks | 09:56 |
| BobBall | Looks like the scientific-wg meeting is normally 2 hours earlier; I guess they just moved it today and saw no one was using from 9am UTC | 09:56 |
| BobBall | should be back to normal next time. | 09:57 |
| BobBall | Except I may not be here. | 09:57 |
| BobBall | I'm sure someone else can host though :) | 09:57 |
| BobBall | #endmeeting | 09:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 6 09:57:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2016/xenapi.2016-07-06-09.45.html | 09:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2016/xenapi.2016-07-06-09.45.txt | 09:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2016/xenapi.2016-07-06-09.45.log.html | 09:57 |
| BobBall | Thanks all | 09:57 |
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| Ablu | Hi | 14:01 |
| vijendar1 | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 6 14:01:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vijendar1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 14:01 |
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| vijendar1 | devkulkarni is not available to today | 14:01 |
| vijendar1 | so Iam going to run today's meeting | 14:01 |
| Ablu | Ah :) | 14:01 |
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| Ablu | Hi | 14:01 |
| vijendar1 | #topic Roll Call | 14:02 |
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| vijendar1 | Hi Ablu | 14:02 |
| vijendar1 | Vijendar Komalla | 14:02 |
| vijendar1 | Ablu let's wait for couple of minutes | 14:02 |
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| Ablu | vijendar1: ok :) | 14:03 |
| Ablu | Though I do not have anything discuss really .. | 14:04 |
| vijendar1 | Ablu: ok. if no one else join, we can end the meeting | 14:04 |
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| Ablu | vijendar1: i only worked on my test environment. | 14:05 |
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| Ablu | I had some issues with networking, but I got them resolved. Implementing a vm handler now | 14:06 |
| vijendar1 | Ablu: nice | 14:06 |
| vijendar1 | Are you implementing vm handler plugin for Heat? | 14:07 |
| Ablu | vijendar1: Na. A vm builder for solum. The heat plugin was only a test | 14:07 |
| vijendar1 | Ablu: I see | 14:07 |
| Ablu | I want to build vm images with pscker | 14:07 |
| Ablu | Packer* | 14:07 |
| vijendar1 | Ablu: ok | 14:08 |
| Ablu | But the heat plugin could allow orchestration of solum generated images | 14:08 |
| vijendar1 | if you are blocked on anything, feel free to ping on IRC | 14:08 |
| vijendar1 | right | 14:08 |
| Ablu | I tested a plugin which generates an image and then passes the name of the image to OS::Nova::Server | 14:09 |
| vijendar1 | good | 14:09 |
| Ablu | And that works after a bug in heat is fixed (fix was proposed today) | 14:09 |
| Ablu | vijendar1: thanks for the offer. I will :) | 14:09 |
| Ablu | I am on the phone so typing is slow... :p | 14:10 |
| vijendar1 | no problem | 14:10 |
| vijendar1 | Ablu: since no one else joined, probably we can end the meeting | 14:10 |
| solumuser__ | hi | 14:11 |
| Ablu | vijendar1: fine with me :) | 14:11 |
| vijendar1 | solumuser__: hi | 14:11 |
| Ablu | Hi solumuser__ | 14:11 |
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| vijendar1 | hi caowei | 14:12 |
| caowei | hi Ablu | 14:13 |
| caowei | hi vijendar | 14:13 |
| vijendar1 | caowei we have Ablu with us today | 14:14 |
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| caowei | OK | 14:14 |
| vijendar1 | caowei: do you have anything to discuss | 14:14 |
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| vijendar1 | caowei: if you don't have anything specific, we will end the meeting | 14:14 |
| caowei | https://review.openstack.org/338208 | 14:15 |
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| vijendar1 | caowei: checking | 14:15 |
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| caowei | i submitted the patch | 14:16 |
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| vijendar1 | caowei: that looks good to me | 14:16 |
| vijendar1 | caowei: I just did +2 | 14:17 |
| vijendar1 | caowei: do you have any other issues to discuss? | 14:19 |
| Ablu | I g2g. Will read any further discussion later | 14:19 |
| Ablu | vijendar1: thanks for hosting | 14:19 |
| vijendar1 | Ablu: sure | 14:19 |
| vijendar1 | caowei Ablu thanks for joining | 14:22 |
| vijendar1 | caowei Ablu if you have anything to discuss, let's take it on #solum channel | 14:23 |
| vijendar1 | #endmeeting | 14:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 6 14:23:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-07-06-14.01.html | 14:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-07-06-14.01.txt | 14:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-07-06-14.01.log.html | 14:23 |
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| Swami | hi | 15:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
| haleyb | #startmeeting neutron_dvr | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 6 15:00:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is haleyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_dvr' | 15:00 |
| haleyb | #chair Swami | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Swami haleyb | 15:00 |
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| haleyb | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| haleyb | there's finally a quorum - welcome back Swami | 15:02 |
| Swami | sure | 15:02 |
| haleyb | let's get right to bugs | 15:02 |
| haleyb | #topic Bugs | 15:03 |
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| Swami | yes, there are couple of new bugs | 15:03 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1597561 | 15:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1597561 in neutron "L3 agent allows multiple gateway ports in fip namespace" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 15:04 |
| haleyb | Carl actually did the work, I just edited the patch to fix a nit | 15:04 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335755/ | 15:05 |
| Swami | I did see it. | 15:05 |
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| Swami | I was not sure, how this occurred. But the patch at least checks for the stale and removes it. Looks good. | 15:05 |
| haleyb | and oleg just gave it a +A | 15:05 |
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| Swami | The next in the list is. | 15:06 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1599089 | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1599089 in neutron "DVR: floating ip stops working after reassignment" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 15:06 |
| Swami | There is also a patch for this bug pushed in by Oleg. | 15:06 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337591/ | 15:07 |
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| Swami | Thanks for posting the patch. | 15:07 |
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| Swami | I did see that you have already reviewed it. I will take a look at it again. | 15:08 |
| Swami | It should be good to go. | 15:08 |
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| haleyb | yes, that one looks good | 15:08 |
| Swami | The next in the list is | 15:08 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1593354 | 15:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1593354 in neutron "SNAT HA failed because of missing nat rule in snat namespace iptable" [Undecided,New] | 15:08 |
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| Swami | This seems to be like a duplicate, but will check with adolfo, before we tag the priority on this bug. | 15:09 |
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| Swami | assaf has posted a question in there to check if it is a duplicate of #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1571113 | 15:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1571113 in neutron "SNAT interface not created for dvrha in some scenarios" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Adolfo Duarte (adolfo-duarte) | 15:11 |
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| haleyb | ok | 15:11 |
| Swami | adolfo-duarte has already addressed that bug, but will re-check with adolfo again and will triage the bug. | 15:11 |
| Swami | The next one is performance related to DVR and IPv6. | 15:12 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1596473 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1596473 in neutron "Packet loss with DVR and IPv6" [Undecided,New] | 15:12 |
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| Swami | This need to be triaged. I am not sure we have seen such a degradation in performance. | 15:13 |
| haleyb | right, looks like packets are going multiple places. i had asked about reproducing in a newer release but had no answer | 15:14 |
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| Swami | haleyb: yes I saw your message. | 15:14 |
| Swami | So let us wait and see or check on the master branch and prioritize based on the findings. | 15:15 |
| haleyb | IPv6 with DVR should only route externally via the CVR | 15:15 |
| Swami | haleyb: Is that what that was reported as performance degradation. | 15:15 |
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| Swami | The next in the list is | 15:17 |
| haleyb | i can't tell, but it seems like if they force a route via the CVR everything works | 15:17 |
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| Swami__ | got disconnected. | 15:18 |
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| Swami__ | The next bug is | 15:18 |
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| Swami__ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1599287 | 15:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1599287 in neutron "Cleanup snat redirect rules when agent restarts after stale snat namespace is cleaned." [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:18 |
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| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/337855 | 15:20 |
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| Swami__ | haleyb: I got some push back from assaf and oleg on this patch since it is too much to cache and use it later. | 15:20 |
| Swami__ | Let me see if there is a way to delete all the ip rule and default gateway without the snat_idx. | 15:21 |
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| haleyb | Swami__: yes, if you can somehow just cleanup all the rules it would be better, will be more work though | 15:22 |
| Swami__ | haleyb: I thought caching would help us, to re-instantiate if someone deletes the namespace and if we wanted to recreate those rules, but may be we can do a full-sync at that time to recreate the rules. | 15:23 |
| Swami__ | haleyb: This is again similar to the fip and its priority retained in the localfilesystem to handle reboots. | 15:23 |
| Swami__ | haleyb: But that might have a different use cases. | 15:24 |
| Swami__ | s/use cases/use case | 15:24 |
| haleyb | yes, and i have a feeling if we proposed the fip priority code today it might get push-back. Best to try and sync if possible | 15:25 |
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| Swami__ | haleyb: ok will try to see what can be done to it. | 15:25 |
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| Swami__ | haleyb: one the same lines, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326729/ | 15:25 |
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| Swami__ | After removing the check for the namespace exists check in create, the jenkins is passing on this patch. What do you think. Is there any other work on this patch or it can merge. | 15:26 |
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| haleyb | Swami__: yes, i saw the update. I did just have a question on self.snat_ports usage since it's initialized differently | 15:27 |
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| Swami__ | haleyb: I know I saw your comments, about the empty list and none used at different places. | 15:27 |
| Swami__ | haleyb: I think you lean towards the empty list rather than none. | 15:27 |
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| Swami__ | So, should we make that fix in a different patch or add it to this patch. | 15:28 |
| haleyb | Swami__: well, i think they should be the same, right? then maybe one of the changes isn't necessary? | 15:28 |
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| Swami__ | haleyb: what do you mean one of the changes isn't necessary | 15:29 |
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| Swami__ | So what you are saying is if we define the variable in dvr_local_router, we don't need to refine it in the dvr_edge_router | 15:29 |
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| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326729/18/neutron/agent/l3/dvr_local_router.py - you check self.snat_ports, but don't think you need to | 15:30 |
| Swami__ | s/refine/redefine | 15:30 |
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| haleyb | get_snat_port_for_internal_port() can take None or [] as an argument | 15:30 |
| haleyb | I didn't know if it was related to one place being None and the other [] | 15:31 |
| Swami__ | so the best option is to change it to None. | 15:32 |
| Swami__ | I meant change it to None in dvr_local_router as well. | 15:32 |
| haleyb | if you make it [] then we might not need another change in the dvr ha edge router code | 15:33 |
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| haleyb | because it does a 'for port in self.snat_ports' which will blow-up with None | 15:33 |
| Swami__ | haleyb: ok let me check that out and see what makes sense. | 15:33 |
| haleyb | I know it's been a while since you made that change, so I was trying to figure out what error you saw | 15:34 |
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| Swami__ | haleyb: Yes basically the only issue that I saw was unable to iterate on self.snat_ports, since it would be None. | 15:35 |
| Swami__ | That's all I had for bugs right now. | 15:35 |
| haleyb | So perhaps it should be [], then there's just a question of should it be in the parent class, but we can discuss that in the review | 15:36 |
| Swami__ | haleyb: Ok, will address it in the review. | 15:36 |
| Swami__ | The other thing that is pending for a long time is #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275073/ | 15:36 |
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| haleyb | Swami__: did the tempest patch merge? | 15:37 |
| Swami__ | This is the nova patch and probably we should be pushing it before the nova mid cycle, I don't want this to caught up. | 15:37 |
| Swami__ | haleyb: no it did not merge. | 15:37 |
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| Swami__ | haleyb: can you ping tempest core to take a look at that patch. | 15:38 |
| haleyb | Swami__: i can once i find the patch | 15:39 |
| Swami__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286855/ | 15:40 |
| Swami__ | tempest patch link above | 15:40 |
| haleyb | thanks | 15:40 |
| haleyb | Swami__: i saw you update the WIP patch for "fast exit", https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297468/ - is that ready for review? | 15:41 |
| Swami__ | haleyb: Once I finish of this patch, I might be focussing on the fast path exit. | 15:42 |
| haleyb | great, thanks | 15:42 |
| Swami__ | Yes, one of the patch is ready, but after the rebase it is failing jenkins, I will fix it today. | 15:42 |
| Swami__ | The next one I will be working on is the static routes on the fip namespace. | 15:42 |
| Swami__ | I have a WIP patch, but need to revisit, since it was done long back. | 15:42 |
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| Swami__ | Thats all I had on bugs to discuss | 15:43 |
| haleyb | ok | 15:43 |
| Swami__ | haleyb: I had another question | 15:44 |
| haleyb | sure | 15:44 |
| Swami__ | I had a couple of patches for addressing the floatingips for unbound ports. | 15:44 |
| haleyb | that was an RFE, but yes, I remember | 15:44 |
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| Swami__ | armax had a -2 on this because I was using a config option. I think I got rid of the config option. | 15:45 |
| haleyb | at least i think it was an RFE | 15:46 |
| Swami__ | can you take a look at it. Meanwhile I will ping armax and see if he is ok to remove the -2 on it. | 15:46 |
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| Swami__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320669/ | 15:46 |
| haleyb | yes, i'll look | 15:46 |
| Swami__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323618/ | 15:46 |
| Swami__ | haleyb: yes that was an RFE. | 15:47 |
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| Swami__ | Yes that's all I had for bugs. | 15:47 |
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| haleyb | ok, thanks | 15:48 |
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| haleyb | #topic Stable backports | 15:49 |
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| haleyb | Ihar sent a reminder to the list to not forget about pro-active backports | 15:49 |
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| haleyb | https://goo.gl/sx0KL5 has a link to the bugs, I've been working through them | 15:50 |
| Swami__ | haleyb: ok thanks | 15:50 |
| haleyb | that's in addition to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-bug-candidates-from-master | 15:50 |
| haleyb | we haven't merged a lot of DVR fixes, but there were some that needed a push along | 15:51 |
| Swami__ | haleyb: ok | 15:51 |
| haleyb | #topic Open discussion | 15:51 |
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| haleyb | Any other topics to discuss? | 15:51 |
| Swami__ | I have not looked at the gate failures lately. | 15:51 |
| Swami__ | Is it stable. | 15:51 |
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| haleyb | it is much better. the multinode dvr job is still 2x in the check queue | 15:53 |
| haleyb | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 15:53 |
| Swami__ | Yes we should shoot for the multinode stability and voting pretty quick | 15:53 |
| Swami__ | That's all I had for today. | 15:54 |
| haleyb | any lurkers have comments? :) | 15:55 |
| haleyb | thanks Swami__ | 15:56 |
| haleyb | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 6 15:56:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-07-06-15.00.html | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-07-06-15.00.txt | 15:56 |
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| Sukhdev | Hi folks ML2 meeting time | 16:00 |
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| andreas_s_ | hi | 16:00 |
| Sukhdev | giving folks a minute to signed on | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | hi | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 6 16:01:57 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | Good morning and welcome to ML2 meeting | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_July_6.2C_2016 | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | If anybody wants to add to the agenda, speak up as we go along and we will adjust it accordingly | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | I have two - | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | N2 is July 12-14 | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | i.e. next week | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | time is flying by - | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | Neutron Mid-Cycle is in the middle of August in Cork, Ireland | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | This is the first international mid-cycle | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | If any of you plan on attending - please make a note of the date | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | Anybody has any other announcement? | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: Is there a specific agenda yet for this mid-cycle, or is that TBD? | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura : good question - I did not look for etherpad - I am sure there is one in the works | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura : BTW, IBM is hosting | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-midcycle | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura : thanks for the link | 16:09 |
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| rkukura | I like that travel, hotels, activities, socializing, and pubs are all listed before topics ;) | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | Good marketing !! | 16:10 |
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| Sukhdev | So, anybody want to represent ML2 there? | 16:10 |
| andreas_s_ | I won't be able to attend.. | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | Armando asked me to go - but, it is too far.... | 16:11 |
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| Sukhdev | anything else on the announcements? | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | moving along.... | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Unify ML2 Portbinding and DVR portbindings | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | andreas_s_ : you are up | 16:13 |
| andreas_s_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/309416 | 16:13 |
| andreas_s_ | Armando commented on the spec | 16:14 |
| andreas_s_ | I would like to discuss his 3 major points... | 16:14 |
| andreas_s_ | #1 | 16:14 |
| andreas_s_ | #1 Are we sure that vnic_type and profile are always port specific (and not binding specific)? | 16:14 |
| rkukura | I’m not so sure | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | profile is kind of more generic | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | vnic_type is port specific | 16:15 |
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| andreas_s_ | the plan is to split the attributes up into binidng specific and port specific attributes (which would result in 2 tables) | 16:15 |
| rkukura | With SR-IOV, I think binding:profile is set by Nova to details on the SR-IOV allocation for that VM on that host | 16:15 |
| andreas_s_ | rkukura, right, that's the only use case I found as well | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | andreas_s_ : ha ha - let me tell you another one :-) | 16:16 |
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| andreas_s_ | Sukhdev, please :) | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | Ironic sets binding:profile to specify the physical port connectivity | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | PCI driver uses this to specify physical connectivity as well | 16:17 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Can baremetal hosts migrate? | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : not really - | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | I should clarify - today no - future - may be | 16:18 |
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| andreas_s_ | so the quesiton is, if splitting up those attributes into separate tables makes sense | 16:19 |
| rkukura | I can imagine other uses for distributed baremetal ports | 16:19 |
| andreas_s_ | or, and that's #2 if merging the portbindngs table into the dvr portbindingstable wouldn't be the simpler approach | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | I think #2 may be OK - #1 might break too many things | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | we just identified three user of binding:profile - I am sure there may be more as well | 16:20 |
| rkukura | andreas_s_: I kind of thought merging these tables was the goal, but with any adjustements needed - some stuff is port-specific, and other stuff is binding-specific, so we need to make sure its all correct | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | I assumed #2 was merging tables - I think that is good | 16:22 |
| andreas_s_ | Sukhdev, got you. But still the question is, if there are use cases where a each binding might use a different profile | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | but, splitting binding profile - we have to make sure, if we mess with it, to keep it backward compatible - for all use cases known and unknown | 16:22 |
| andreas_s_ | Sukhdev, I have parts of that refactoring already running | 16:23 |
| andreas_s_ | Sukhdev, but the DVR pieces are still missing | 16:23 |
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| andreas_s_ | but maybe the other way round is the more easy appraoch - first merging and then splitting into port and binding specifics? | 16:23 |
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| Sukhdev | I like the latter approach, andreas_s_ | 16:24 |
| andreas_s_ | Let me ask you another question | 16:24 |
| rkukura | makes sense to me to first cleanup/refactor without changing APIs at all, then do that afterwards as needed | 16:24 |
| andreas_s_ | why have those separate tables been introduced at all? | 16:24 |
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| rkukura | andreas_s_: Do you mean separate normal and DVR tables? | 16:25 |
| andreas_s_ | rkukura, yup | 16:25 |
| andreas_s_ | rkukura, cause the reason for this might be an indicator for the problems that will occur ;) | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : did not give too many -2 on some of the DVR patches - that is the reason - just kidding :-):-) | 16:26 |
| rkukura | As I recall, the DVR implementers chose to add new tables in order to reduce risk of breaking non-DVR behavior | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | andreas_s_ : I think for historical reasons and keeping the backward compatibility | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura :+1 | 16:28 |
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| rkukura | I certainly raised the issue, but eventually conceded that this was a reasonable approach to get the DVR code merged, which impacted a lot more than just ML2’s port binding. | 16:28 |
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| andreas_s_ | rkukura, Sukhdev ok. got it - so there was no technical problem | 16:29 |
| andreas_s_ | more a decission to not break existng things and speed up development | 16:29 |
| andreas_s_ | so I will lay down the work on the current patch and start a new one merging together dvr and normal port table. Do you agree? | 16:30 |
| rkukura | Not that I’m aware of - we identified the cleanup as a folow-on effort, I started it, and andreas_s_ has picked it up | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | andreas_s_: How is that different than the current patch? | 16:30 |
| andreas_s_ | rkukura, the current patch first splits up port and binding specific attributes | 16:31 |
| rkukura | At least my original patch was really just fixing the schema without changing the | 16:31 |
| rkukura | API | 16:31 |
| andreas_s_ | rkukura, but there's still separate logic for dvr and normal | 16:31 |
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| andreas_s_ | rkukura, that's right. However the API needs to change as now new object are flying around | 16:32 |
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| andreas_s_ | my impression is, that the codes gets a little more complex than it was before | 16:32 |
| rkukura | My original parxh was not trying to address migration, or even generalize distributed ports, just normalize the schema | 16:33 |
| rkukura | s/parxh/patch/ | 16:33 |
| andreas_s_ | rkukura, ack | 16:34 |
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| rkukura | the idea was to fix the schema first, then try to simpify the code to eliminate special casing DVR, then deal with generalizing distributed ports, which would require some API adjustements | 16:34 |
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| rkukura | I’d recommend going back to this step-by-step approach, and hopefully get at least the schema cleanup into Newton | 16:35 |
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| andreas_s_ | ok | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | sounds like a sound plan | 16:36 |
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| andreas_s_ | so the plan is still to make host,vif_type and vif_details binding specific, while vnic_type and profile stay port specific | 16:37 |
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| andreas_s_ | rkukura, could you please comment on the spec, mentioning that this is the right way of doing it? | 16:38 |
| rkukura | andreas_s_: I think we need to consider making binding:profile host-specific | 16:38 |
| rkukura | andreas_s_: I will | 16:38 |
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| andreas_s_ | that means that there's only the vnic_type, that is valid for all bindings | 16:39 |
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| andreas_s_ | if that's the case, I really wonder if it wouldn't be more efficient to take the cost of data duplication there and start with merging dvr and normal binding table | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : can you clarify what do you mean by host-specific? | 16:40 |
| andreas_s_ | right from the beginning | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | will it mean the physical connectivity of host as well? | 16:40 |
| andreas_s_ | I mean the overall goal change a bit - now it's to make multiple portbindings generic - meaning making a normal port a distributed port with just one binding | 16:41 |
| rkukura | I don’t yet have a position on whether binding:vnic_type should be per-port or per-binding | 16:41 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: By host-specific, I mean per-binding if there are multiple bindings for the same port | 16:43 |
| rkukura | The current API has no way to address individual bindings | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | just to make sure - Ironic uses binding:profile to list the physical connectivity of BM host - and there could be multiple hosts represented by one neutron port | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | i.e. one neutron port == multiple physical ports | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | all represented by a single binding:profile | 16:44 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I think you are talking about the situation after we’ve introduced some general notion of distributed binding, but we don’t have that yet | 16:45 |
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| Sukhdev | so, here is the specific case I am describing: | 16:45 |
| rkukura | My approach was to cleanup the schema first to make normal binding a special case of distributed binding, but not to try to move attriibutes from per-port to per-binding yet, beyond what was done for DVR | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | In an MLAG deployment scenario - if a host is connected to two TORs then binding profiles carries a list of physical ports that map to single neutron port (and network) | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | I think as long as you are merging the tables and schema, we are good | 16:47 |
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| andreas_s_ | rkukura, but with introducing the binding_result table you already made the decision to split up binding and port specific attributes, didn't you? | 16:48 |
| andreas_s_ | rkukura, when we just merge the tables, we keep everything as is today (hopefully :) | 16:48 |
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| rkukura | andreas_s_: Just what was needed to preserve DVR functionality- the intent was to generilize later, and move attributes around as needed | 16:49 |
| rkukura | I guess I’m not really clear on what is meant by “merge the tables” | 16:49 |
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| andreas_s_ | rkukura, it's basically moving all the data form current port_bindings table into dvr_port_bindings table | 16:50 |
| rkukura | RIght now the API has no way to set or retrieve more than one value for each of the port attributes | 16:50 |
| andreas_s_ | rkukura, right | 16:50 |
| rkukura | So I don’t see how we could move binding:vnic_type or binding:profile to be binding-specific in the current API | 16:50 |
| rkukura | So my plan was to keep them per-port for now | 16:51 |
| andreas_s_ | rkukura, I think the discussion is not about the ResT API | 16:51 |
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| andreas_s_ | rkukura, it's about the database schema | 16:51 |
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| rkukura | but the binding:vif_type and binding:vif_details obtained by get_device_details RPC are per-binding so that DVR can work with the L2 agent | 16:51 |
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| andreas_s_ | right and today dvr has mutliple entries in the dvr_portbindings table | 16:52 |
| rkukura | right, the host_id is a primary ke | 16:52 |
| rkukura | key | 16:52 |
| andreas_s_ | right | 16:52 |
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| rkukura | but, until the API allows setting these per-host, the binding:vnic_type and binding:profile should not be in a table where the host is part of the primary key | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : I think host and port are primary keys | 16:53 |
| andreas_s_ | rkukura, and that's why you introduced the portbindingresult table, right? | 16:54 |
| rkukura | Otherwise, an update to either of these attritues would need to update all rows in the table for that port_id, and a get would need to return one row’s values, assuming the others are all these same | 16:54 |
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| andreas_s_ | exactly - but are we sure that binding profile and vnic type a really specific per host? | 16:55 |
| rkukura | yes, the portbindingresult table was intended to be the per-host stuff. I think we are now realizing this will eventually include inputs to binding, not just results, so there may be a better name for this table | 16:55 |
| rkukura | I am pretty sure binding:profile would need to be per-host in order for VM migration to work with SR-IOV | 16:56 |
| andreas_s_ | rkukura, ok, so there's only vnic_type left that is not per host specific | 16:56 |
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| rkukura | If we are going to modify the API to allow binding:profile to be host-specific, I think we should also look at use other use cases, and whether they might also require binding:vnic_type to be host-specific. But I’m not seeing any good cases for that right now. | 16:58 |
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| andreas_s_ | so my question is: why don't we just store vnic_type port specific as well for the beginning | 16:59 |
| rkukura | andreas_s_: I see your point that maybe we long term will not need to have both per-port and per-host tables | 16:59 |
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| andreas_s_ | rkukura, right | 16:59 |
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| rkukura | is it reasonable for port_update to update all rows for that port whenever vnic_type is modified? | 16:59 |
| andreas_s_ | Especially after you explained that profile is per-host as well | 16:59 |
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| andreas_s_ | Sukhdev, thanks | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | Folks, we need to wrap this up - lets pick this up in the neutron channel | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | Thanks for attending | 17:00 |
| rkukura | thanks! | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 17:00 |
| andreas_s_ | thanks for your time guys! | 17:00 |
| rkukura | bye | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 6 17:01:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-07-06-16.01.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-07-06-16.01.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-07-06-16.01.log.html | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 6 17:02:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:02 |
| mugsie | #topic Roll Call | 17:02 |
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| timsim | o/ | 17:02 |
| elarson | o/ | 17:02 |
| mugsie | thanks timsim | 17:02 |
| Kiall | o/ | 17:02 |
| mugsie | OK | 17:03 |
| mugsie | are we expecting anyone else? | 17:03 |
| timsim | ping rsyed pglass james_li federico3 | 17:03 |
| pglass | o/ | 17:03 |
| federico3 | o/ | 17:03 |
| mugsie | #topic Action Items from last week | 17:03 |
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| mugsie | mugsie to bp a6d7ee9 | 17:03 |
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| mugsie | not done - the patch doesnt actually apply to mitaka | 17:04 |
| mugsie | (we broke it in the early stages on newton) | 17:04 |
| mugsie | of newton* | 17:04 |
| mugsie | kiall to figure out a better BP finding command ;) | 17:04 |
| * Kiall panics | 17:04 | |
| Kiall | I may be doing it right now.. Tim better take his time with the bugs ;) | 17:04 |
| mugsie | #action kiall to figure out a better BP finding command ;) | 17:04 |
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| federico3 | :D | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | mugsie mail the ML with ^ (^ was about the bug smash) | 17:05 |
| mugsie | and that was done | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | (i swear it wasn't the reason I was late) | 17:05 |
| mugsie | #topic Bug Triage (timsim - recurring) | 17:05 |
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| timsim | I don't see any new bugs :) | 17:06 |
| mugsie | hahaha | 17:06 |
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| mugsie | !tumbleweed | 17:06 |
| openstack | mugsie: Error: "tumbleweed" is not a valid command. | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | 2 weeks worth will cover it for now ;) lets go.. | 17:06 |
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| mugsie | huh? | 17:07 |
| Kiall | #topic | 17:08 |
| mugsie | -_- | 17:08 |
| mugsie | #topic Stable Backports | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/526593/ | 17:08 |
| Kiall | 2 weeks worth, becasue.. yet | 17:08 |
| Kiall | yea | 17:08 |
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| mugsie | d985e02 Merge "Add missing zake lib to t-r" ? | 17:08 |
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| timsim | 9deeed7 zone_name is null in zone trasfer request response ? | 17:08 |
| mugsie | 9deeed7 zone_name is null in zone trasfer request response | 17:09 |
| mugsie | 88ada35 Fix Invalid UUID error message to make it consistent with others | 17:09 |
| Kiall | 2ab7c31 Merge "zone_name is null in zone trasfer request response" | 17:09 |
| Kiall | c906060 Add missing zake lib to t-r | 17:09 |
| mugsie | so, nomintations are - 9deeed7, 88ada35, c906060 | 17:09 |
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| mugsie | 88ada35 is actually out | 17:09 |
| mugsie | (API change) | 17:09 |
| Kiall | Yea, and not sure `c906060 Add missing zake lib to t-r` is def needed | 17:10 |
| mugsie | as is 9deeed7 | 17:10 |
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| Kiall | So it may just be 9deeed7 zone_name is null in zone trasfer request response ? | 17:10 |
| mugsie | another API change | 17:10 |
| Kiall | Oh, right. derp moment. | 17:10 |
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| mugsie | so, none? | 17:10 |
| mugsie | anyone else see any potential ones? | 17:10 |
| Kiall | So - `c906060 Add missing zake lib to t-r` if it's needed.. 240377 | 17:11 |
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| mugsie | ok - issued a recheck on an open s/mitaka review | 17:12 |
| mugsie | so we will know in a bit | 17:12 |
| Kiall | brb, gotta step away a few mins. | 17:12 |
| mugsie | #action Kiall bp c906060 Add missing zake lib to t-r` if it's needed | 17:12 |
| mugsie | :) | 17:12 |
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| federico3 | bad timing :D | 17:12 |
| timsim | hahaha | 17:12 |
| mugsie | he got volentold | 17:12 |
| mugsie | #topic Mid Cycle - where, when, what | 17:13 |
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| mugsie | so, Dublin / Galway, ? , In Person | 17:13 |
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| mugsie | so when is the question | 17:13 |
| mugsie | Neutron is in Cork 17-19 Aug | 17:13 |
| mugsie | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 17:14 |
| timsim | I _think_ we're pretty open on dates, but we were aiming for somewhere in Aug 15-26 | 17:14 |
| mugsie | so, 22-26 August 2016 | 17:14 |
| mugsie | ? | 17:14 |
| mugsie | none of yu have to go to San Antonio of the LBaaS one right? | 17:15 |
| timsim | nah | 17:15 |
| Kiall | mugsie: damn you ;) | 17:15 |
| mugsie | for the LBaaS * | 17:15 |
| timsim | elarson rsyed ^ ? | 17:15 |
| mugsie | Kiall: your welcome :) | 17:15 |
| mugsie | I will find out this evening if it galway or dublin | 17:16 |
| elarson | timsim: checking my calendar now (aka asking my wife :) ) | 17:16 |
| Kiall | #action mugsie to stop voulentold'ing people while the are AFK | 17:16 |
| mugsie | (all depends on where I can get conference rooms) | 17:16 |
| timsim | What, we aren't just going to a pub for five days? | 17:16 |
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| mugsie | well, the pub down the road has a spece upstaris that I am asking about | 17:16 |
| mugsie | :P | 17:16 |
| timsim | done | 17:17 |
| mugsie | can everyone check those dates and come back to me ? | 17:17 |
| elarson | I'm good! | 17:17 |
| timsim | You betcha | 17:17 |
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| mugsie | I will send a mail to ML now with them. so reply to the list or directly to me | 17:17 |
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| mugsie | #info Mid Cycle - in Ireland (City to be confirmed), In Person, 22-26 August 2016 (provisionally) | 17:18 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 17:19 |
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| mugsie | any off agenda items | 17:19 |
| mugsie | ? | 17:19 |
| mugsie | Kiall has lost internet apparently | 17:19 |
| timsim | Weekly plea to review/try out worker model | 17:19 |
| mugsie | reviewed it abit | 17:19 |
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| mugsie | need to do a config test next | 17:19 |
| timsim | pglass has told me (rightfully) that I need to stop adding things to it | 17:20 |
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| mugsie | (start up with custom config changes, upgrade, and see wat happens) | 17:20 |
| mugsie | pglass: good job :) | 17:20 |
| elarson | +1 for not more additions! | 17:20 |
| mugsie | timsim: you know there is a thign called dependancy chains in gerrit :P | 17:20 |
| timsim | Yeah yeah yeah | 17:20 |
| elarson | don't do it!!! | 17:20 |
| mugsie | (just dont go more than 6 deep) | 17:20 |
| timsim | But it's probably better to do the Grenade stuff first. | 17:21 |
| timsim | Unless you want to do that mugsie | 17:21 |
| mugsie | ++ | 17:21 |
| mugsie | I wish I had the time | 17:21 |
| timsim | I'm drowning in devstack errors over here | 17:21 |
| mugsie | I can give you a dig out later in the week possibly | 17:21 |
| mugsie | oh, I did some stuff to grenade to skip allm the other tests | 17:21 |
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| mugsie | cuz nova will not for love or money work in that VM for me | 17:22 |
| mugsie | timsim: will ping yhoui a diff in a bit | 17:22 |
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| timsim | cool cool | 17:22 |
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| mugsie | can I get feedback about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337744/1? | 17:23 |
| mugsie | can I get feedback about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337744/1 ? * | 17:23 |
| mugsie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337744/1 | 17:23 |
| mugsie | it is just an idea | 17:23 |
| mugsie | but it would be a good way to let people see the enabled types in each install | 17:23 |
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| mugsie | anything else? | 17:24 |
| timsim | Not from me | 17:24 |
| Kiall | back | 17:24 |
| Kiall | reboot and it came back -_- | 17:24 |
| * elarson is good | 17:24 | |
| mugsie | Kiall: have anything to contribute? | 17:24 |
| mugsie | for once :P | 17:24 |
| * mugsie ducks | 17:25 | |
| Kiall | just ++ on pub instead of conference room for the week | 17:25 |
| Kiall | ;) | 17:25 |
| timsim | of course lol | 17:25 |
| mugsie | OK then | 17:25 |
| mugsie | have 35mins back | 17:25 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 17:25 |
| timsim | o/ | 17:25 |
| elarson | gracias! | 17:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 6 17:25:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-07-06-17.02.html | 17:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-07-06-17.02.txt | 17:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-07-06-17.02.log.html | 17:25 |
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| amrith | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 6 18:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amrith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
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| amrith | anyone here for the trove meeting ... | 18:01 |
| mvandijk | ./ | 18:01 |
| amrith | hi matt | 18:01 |
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| schang | o/ | 18:01 |
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| pmalik | 😁/ | 18:02 |
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| amrith | hi petr, simon | 18:02 |
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| amrith | haven't heard from mariam today; peter is traveling | 18:03 |
| trevormc | o/ | 18:03 |
| amrith | right; peter is traveling correct? | 18:03 |
| amrith | hi trevormc | 18:03 |
| mvandijk | yes | 18:03 |
| amrith | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:03 |
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| trevormc | I heard him mention his wife putting a quota on his work time while on vacation. | 18:03 |
| amrith | quite a list of things here ... | 18:04 |
| amrith | #topic Action items from last week's meeting | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from last week's meeting (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:04 | |
| amrith | - none that I can recall (we didn't have a meeting) | 18:04 |
| amrith | #topic Trove pulse update | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Trove pulse update (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:04 | |
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| amrith | #link http://bit.ly/1VQyg00 | 18:04 |
| amrith | #link https://gist.github.com/amrith/c76d4af85922728d5fdebcdbe77e3559 | 18:05 |
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| amrith | the reviews last week were a bit lower than previous weeks | 18:05 |
| amrith | may have had something to do with the holiday | 18:05 |
| amrith | there are a fair number of changes that need attention from the submitter | 18:06 |
| mvandijk | everyone was getting in on the canada day celebrations | 18:06 |
| amrith | mvandijk, isn't that next week? | 18:06 |
| amrith | canada day that is? | 18:06 |
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| amrith | so please take a look at open reviews and if there are any of your changes in merge conflict, please update them | 18:07 |
| amrith | anyone have anything else to add? | 18:07 |
| amrith | #topic Call for topics for mid-cycle | 18:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Call for topics for mid-cycle (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:08 | |
| amrith | it will be a virtual midcycle | 18:08 |
| amrith | etherpad is at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-trove-midcycle | 18:08 |
| amrith | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-trove-midcycle | 18:08 |
| amrith | please propose topics that you would like discussed there | 18:08 |
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| amrith | Date and Time: 4hours each day, July 26, 27 and 28; 1300-1700 EDT | 18:08 |
| amrith | (1200 - 1600 CDT, 1000 to 1400 PDT, 1700 to 2100 UTC) | 18:08 |
| amrith | Location: Virtual midcycle, [likely] Google Hangouts with audio dial in(telephone) | 18:08 |
| amrith | Not much else to add about that; mid-cycle is just over 3 weeks away | 18:09 |
| amrith | #topic Announcements | 18:09 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:09 | |
| amrith | A couple of quick ones | 18:09 |
| amrith | Next week is the N-2 milestone | 18:09 |
| amrith | All specs for Newton must be approved by the end of the week | 18:10 |
| amrith | I will be cutting beta release for Trove on master and mitaka branches (I don't think anything significant went into liberty branch) | 18:10 |
| amrith | There are some specs that I'd like to review as the next item on the agenda | 18:10 |
| amrith | #topic Specs that are up for review | 18:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs that are up for review (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:10 | |
| amrith | The following three specs appear ready to merge. If there are no objections, I will approve these three by midweek next week. | 18:10 |
| amrith | 332885Quota Update | 18:10 |
| amrith | 329510 Scheduled Backup Specification | 18:10 |
| amrith | 327355 Add configuration group management for DB2 | 18:10 |
| amrith | Anyone have concerns or questions about these? | 18:11 |
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| vgnbkr | For Scheduled Backups, it's failing due to the py27 check complaining about a line that is too long, but it needs to be that long. | 18:11 |
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| amrith | for the purposes of the spec can you line wrap it? | 18:13 |
| amrith | the spec won't merge that way | 18:13 |
| amrith | or abbreviate the line and just put in "..." and explain it? | 18:13 |
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| vgnbkr | It's not text - it's showing what's in a mistral script. I can just take the whole script out, I guess. | 18:14 |
| johnma | sorry amrith for joining late (had some trouble joining the channel) | 18:14 |
| amrith | #action vgnbkr to figure some way of updating the spec to get the check/gate jobs to pass; maybe simplify the script | 18:14 |
| amrith | hi johnma | 18:14 |
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| johnma | Hi Amrith | 18:14 |
| amrith | even if it is merely to wrap lines and make an explanation about it somewhere | 18:15 |
| vgnbkr | OK, I'll just take it out. | 18:15 |
| amrith | ok | 18:15 |
| amrith | also some minor whitespace issues in the spec | 18:15 |
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| amrith | hopefully you can have it up soon. I'm taking the code out for a spin | 18:15 |
| amrith | to see how it works out | 18:15 |
| amrith | mistral and all that | 18:16 |
| amrith | will you be updating redstack to install mistral? | 18:16 |
| amrith | vgnbkr ^^ | 18:17 |
| amrith | johnma, some comments on the db2 configuraiton group spec | 18:17 |
| amrith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327355 | 18:17 |
| vgnbkr | It should already be done - just ENABLE_MISTRAL=true when you run 'redstack install" | 18:17 |
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| amrith | ok, will try that out vgnbkr | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | o/ sorry running late this morning | 18:18 |
| johnma | yes Amrith, I need to update that. I have that almost cleaned up on my dev env. Will complete it and post one for review by today | 18:18 |
| amrith | hi SlickNik | 18:18 |
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| amrith | thanks johnma | 18:18 |
| amrith | SlickNik, thanks for all the reviews last night | 18:18 |
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| amrith | you were up quite late; or should I say early? | 18:19 |
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| amrith | unfortunately it looks like some specs won't make it in time for newton | 18:19 |
| amrith | superconductor, api versioning, ... | 18:19 |
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| amrith | I'm going to try and get the existing trove-image-builder thing done | 18:19 |
| amrith | but redstack is a beast | 18:19 |
| amrith | that's all I have on that topic; anyone else have something to add ... | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | ++ | 18:20 |
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| amrith | ok, moving along ... | 18:20 |
| amrith | #topic Proposals for review | 18:20 |
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| amrith | I'd like to quickly dispose of (one way or the other) some of these | 18:20 |
| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334813/ | 18:21 |
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| amrith | the submitter abandoned the change. I don't feel strongly about it. if anyone thinks the change is worthwhile, let's take it. | 18:21 |
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| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338091/ | 18:21 |
| amrith | needs a gracious core reviewer to kick this over the line | 18:21 |
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| amrith | trevormc suggested a change and I've made that change | 18:21 |
| amrith | should be good to go | 18:22 |
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| * amrith hopes no one will -1 it because of the typo in the commit message | 18:22 | |
| trevormc | that is ironic | 18:22 |
| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338030/ | 18:22 |
| amrith | I'm not sure about this one. While the change appears to be a good idea, what we have is a specific case of a much broader change; I would rather we treat this change as such and identify how we can improve validation of a number of different types like config files, host names, IP's ... | 18:23 |
| amrith | or should we just take this as is | 18:23 |
| amrith | please post comments in the spec | 18:23 |
| amrith | sorry, in the review | 18:23 |
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| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214056/ | 18:23 |
| amrith | again, wanted to get feedback from the team. | 18:23 |
| amrith | this is an old change | 18:24 |
| amrith | in days of yore, sushilkm and dmakogon felt strongly against it. | 18:24 |
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| amrith | I'm not sure the present incarnation of the change addresses their old concerns. | 18:24 |
| amrith | if anyone has thoughts about these please post in the review | 18:24 |
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| amrith | trevormc, where are you with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337914? | 18:25 |
| SlickNik | Looked at the change, but don't feel strongly about it one way or another. Will update the review with my comments. Thanks! | 18:25 |
| amrith | thx SlickNik | 18:25 |
| amrith | trevormc, there were some suggestions on how to proceed, do those make sense? | 18:25 |
| trevormc | amrith, I have considered the suggestions and replied to the comments. | 18:26 |
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| trevormc | I tried using the item_type option before but it still uses cfg.ListOpt __call__ for enforcing the type. | 18:26 |
| amrith | who did you speak with in oslo? | 18:27 |
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| trevormc | doug hellmann | 18:27 |
| amrith | ok, was it irc? approx when, what channel? | 18:27 |
| trevormc | irc in #openstack-oslo yesterday, but I don't remember the time exactly, approx 4pm CST | 18:28 |
| amrith | that's good enough | 18:28 |
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| amrith | thanks, will go read the scrollback | 18:28 |
| amrith | finally, I have a question on what to do about isotime deprecation. | 18:28 |
| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/326655 | 18:28 |
| amrith | I'm sure that SlickNik remembers this | 18:29 |
| amrith | (mess) | 18:29 |
| amrith | unfortunately there wasn't enough buy in to get the proposal adopted in oslo; keystone came the closest but they need one specific thing that makes it a pain to accomplish | 18:29 |
| amrith | the change as proposed is fine for Trove | 18:29 |
| amrith | and slightly better than just copying the deprecated function into Trove | 18:30 |
| amrith | so, comments in the review would be most appreciated so we can get them moving along | 18:30 |
| * amrith pauses to take a breath and see what others have to say ... | 18:30 | |
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| * SlickNik refreshes his memory | 18:32 | |
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| * amrith hears SlickNik howl in pain ... those were bad memories :) | 18:32 | |
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| SlickNik | I slightly prefer the updated timeutils — but let me go over the review after the meeting. | 18:34 |
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| SlickNik | relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5wpm-gesOY | 18:34 |
| amrith | will watch it later | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | Yes, definitely for later. | 18:35 |
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| amrith | seems longer than I'd want to watch now :) | 18:35 |
| amrith | so that's about all the regularly scheduled programming | 18:35 |
| amrith | unless someone has something for | 18:35 |
| amrith | #topic Open Discussion | 18:35 |
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| pmalik | 😶/ | 18:35 |
| amrith | #action watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5wpm-gesOY | 18:36 |
| pmalik | Scenario tests. | 18:36 |
| pmalik | They have been running pretty well, but we still sometimes see an intermittent failure (in MySQL grant/revoke access) when the guests does not respond to the message. | 18:36 |
| pmalik | This is unfortunatelly pretty difficult to debug as we don't have guest logs. I was wondering if restoring https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237710/ could help. | 18:36 |
| pmalik | Not sure if it still works though... | 18:36 |
| pmalik | Also, we will probably want to flip them (at least Redis) to voting at some point. | 18:36 |
| pmalik | It may be worth considering adding some more as non-voting as well. | 18:36 |
| pmalik | MariaDB (or PXC) would be good candidates. They should pass like MySQL and also test galera clustering which MySQL does not. | 18:36 |
| pmalik | Postgresql should be stable as well (i.e. it fails only on the known issue related to [MySQL] API extensions). Cassandra is the same (but would potentially require more resources). | 18:36 |
| pmalik | MongoDB not sure how it goes there, would need to run and see (the default required cluster size would likely be too large for the gate)... | 18:36 |
| pmalik | Any ideas? 😋 | 18:36 |
| amrith | so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237710/ still works | 18:36 |
| amrith | (in principle) | 18:36 |
| amrith | would be straightforward to just rebase it and kick it up and depend on it | 18:37 |
| amrith | if you don't have much of a conflict, the merge should be automagic | 18:37 |
| amrith | re: flipping it to voting, let's put that on for discussion next week | 18:37 |
| amrith | the last time I spoke with peterstac about this he wasn't quite there ... | 18:38 |
| amrith | also about the cluster testing | 18:38 |
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| amrith | which requires a bunch of resources | 18:38 |
| amrith | he was thinking of some way to do that | 18:38 |
| amrith | not sure how far he got | 18:38 |
| pmalik | amrith I think you (the owner) would need to restore the patch set (237710) . | 18:40 |
| pmalik | The cluster tests will always require some. We can help it a bit by starting with just a single-node cluster and growing it to 2 nodes then shrinking back to 1. We will however need to watch to make sure we never end up with too many instances... | 18:41 |
| amrith | #action amrith to review logstash to see how the redis scenario tests perform | 18:41 |
| amrith | pmalik, I've restored the review | 18:41 |
| pmalik | amrith thanks | 18:41 |
| amrith | but things like pxc and mongodb need >> 2 nodes to work | 18:41 |
| amrith | pxc ~ 3, mongodb ~ 5 | 18:41 |
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| amrith | pmalik, the change is in merge conflict now; needs manual tlc | 18:42 |
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| amrith | will you take care of it? I could do it later this evening | 18:42 |
| pmalik | Yeah, I think that in case of PXC we can change it is configurable. Mongo has it hardcoded (3) though... | 18:42 |
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| amrith | or tomorrow | 18:42 |
| amrith | maybe not before that | 18:42 |
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| amrith | also we should come up with some way to handle this better in the future | 18:42 |
| amrith | like maybe merge the code with the setting disabled? | 18:43 |
| amrith | SlickNik, johnma what say? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237710/ | 18:43 |
| amrith | #action revisit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237710/ and figure out some way to get the code merged even if it is disabled but available for debugging? | 18:43 |
| amrith | pmalik, mongo is 3 data nodes, 1 config server, 1 query router so 5. | 18:44 |
| amrith | or should I say mongo is >=3 data nodes, >=1 config server, >=1 query router so >=5. | 18:45 |
| pmalik | amrith + I believe it can be only grown by 3 or something... | 18:45 |
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| amrith | oh? | 18:45 |
| amrith | did not know that ... | 18:45 |
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| pmalik | amrith I am not 100% sure here | 18:45 |
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| amrith | well, you are likely right (history says) | 18:46 |
| johnma | I will take a look at that patchset after the meeting. | 18:46 |
| amrith | anyway, one way or the other you should be able to get the logs up and dbeug the failure. the code itself was pretty small (70 lines all told) so the merge can't be hard. likely the conflict is cfg.py :( | 18:47 |
| pmalik | amrith it may be good if we could somehow figure out what kind of machines (flavor) we get for the gate and if it is possible to get some extra horsepower. | 18:47 |
| amrith | I believe we can specify the kind(s) of machines we get | 18:48 |
| amrith | but we can get assigned to different clouds | 18:48 |
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| amrith | and different clouds have somewhat different horses | 18:48 |
| amrith | some are good horses, others are very good horses ... | 18:48 |
| amrith | will take a look and see what we currently have | 18:48 |
| pmalik | because we can create like 4 MySQL (~750MB) instances at the same time, but say Cassandra requires 2GB for each... | 18:49 |
| amrith | #action review what kind(s) of machines we get in the gate and see if we can get some more beefy horses ... | 18:49 |
| amrith | yes, will look | 18:49 |
| pmalik | thanks | 18:50 |
| SlickNik | amrith: If I recall correctly, at some point there was talk of merging https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237710/ and then removing it during the final milestone release. Another option is to default that option (guest_logs_to_host) to false, but then have our devstack (or devstack-gate) installs override that to true so it's easier to debug gate failures. | 18:50 |
| SlickNik | That sounds reasonable to me. | 18:50 |
| amrith | SlickNik, I'll push up a change that would put the code disabled (by default) and only have the gate flip it on | 18:50 |
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| SlickNik | ++ Sounds good. Thanks! | 18:51 |
| amrith | not sure why I abandoned the change; maybe because we got to the root of whatever was failing and then the change seemed unnecesary | 18:51 |
| amrith | which is of course till something breaks again :) | 18:51 |
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| amrith | ok, on that cheerful note ... | 18:53 |
| amrith | anything else? | 18:53 |
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| amrith | for those of you who are interested, I attended a trainign with the TC last week in Ann Arbor. some details about that here http://openstack.markmail.org/thread/y43cfwdazrooml3y, here http://www.tesora.com/openstack-tc-will-not-opening-deli/ and here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337895/ | 18:54 |
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| amrith | that's all I've got. lots of action items, so I'll send out meeting notes right after | 18:55 |
| amrith | pmalik, unless you've already finished it, I'll rebase 237710 and resubmit. | 18:55 |
| amrith | going once ... | 18:55 |
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| pmalik | amrith ok, np. | 18:55 |
| johnma | thanks Amrith. | 18:56 |
| amrith | going twice ... | 18:56 |
| amrith | thanks all for attending. | 18:56 |
| amrith | #endmeeting | 18:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 6 18:56:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-07-06-18.00.html | 18:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-07-06-18.00.txt | 18:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-07-06-18.00.log.html | 18:56 |
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| johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 19:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 6 19:59:56 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| Frito | o/ | 20:00 |
| TrevorV | o/ | 20:00 |
| johnsom | I everyone | 20:00 |
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| johnsom | Well, those of you that aren't off enjoying a vacation week | 20:00 |
| eezhova | hi | 20:00 |
| johnsom | #topic Announcements | 20:00 |
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| johnsom | #linkhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-octavia-newton-midcycle | 20:01 |
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| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-octavia-newton-midcycle | 20:01 |
| johnsom | Try that again | 20:01 |
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| johnsom | So, just a reminder, upcoming mid-cycle. | 20:01 |
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| johnsom | Please sign up if you plan to join us | 20:01 |
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| rm_mobile | o/ | 20:02 |
| johnsom | Also, I will put a section in soon for topics we want to cover. | 20:02 |
| johnsom | Act/Act and LBaaS merge come to mind | 20:02 |
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| xgerman | o/ | 20:03 |
| johnsom | Also, last call for summit LBaaS talk topics. I will be entering our talk this week, so if you have a topic you would like to speak about, please drop me an e-mail. | 20:03 |
| TrevorV | Also keep in mind we need to know if you plan to be remote. That way we can set up for VC stuff | 20:03 |
| johnsom | Right now I think it is just sbalukoff and I | 20:03 |
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| johnsom | Most likely covering the merge and act/act, with the normal roadmap-ish stuff | 20:04 |
| johnsom | #topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review | 20:04 |
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| johnsom | Ok, updates? | 20:04 |
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| rm_mobile | Are we doing a Demo again? | 20:04 |
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| bana_k | o/ | 20:05 |
| johnsom | I have been working on failover related bugs. I should have a new spin of the DNS integration patch soon-ish. Cleaning up unit test breakage from the new code | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | OSIC bug smash is going on over the next 3 days (including today) so we might want to or already have people crushing some buggeronies | 20:05 |
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| Frito | Mostly internal stuff. OSIC bug smash here as well over the next couple days :-) | 20:05 |
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| johnsom | rm_mobile Maybe. Not sure what we will have cooked for a demo. act/act would be great but I think sbalukoff said he wasn't sure if they would have something ready | 20:05 |
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| johnsom | After the DNS patch is done, I am going to focus on the failover critical bug (which is blocked by the dns issue) | 20:06 |
| johnsom | Other patches needing review? | 20:07 |
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| dougwig | would be great if we could do a more real-world demo this time, like sending the summit app through an octavia vip | 20:07 |
| johnsom | We also got a fix in for the scenario gate to pull the right agent code. That was good | 20:07 |
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| eezhova | yes, I have some needing review :) | 20:07 |
| eezhova | #link https://review.openstack.org/320999 | 20:07 |
| eezhova | that's a functional test for lbaas | 20:08 |
| eezhova | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332913/ | 20:08 |
| johnsom | dougwig Sure, we could even stream one of the summit YouTube videos. Do you think that would be interesting enough? | 20:08 |
| eezhova | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337650/ | 20:08 |
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| dougwig | johnsom: less of a demo, and more of a real-world proof point that it's production ready. | 20:09 |
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| johnsom | I guess I just have a "demoed basic functionality in Vancouver, need to amp it up...." mentality. Which might be not so good | 20:09 |
| johnsom | Ah, yeah, I follow you | 20:10 |
| johnsom | That actually brings up an interesting question. Do we plan to call newton 1.0? | 20:10 |
| johnsom | Focusing on bugs would be good | 20:10 |
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| rm_work | yes, bugs + stability | 20:11 |
| johnsom | Hmmm, food for thought. | 20:11 |
| dougwig | i'd be fine with calling whatever release has a seamless amp upgrade as 1.0 | 20:11 |
| johnsom | Well, with Act/Stndby, you could do a rolling amp upgrade with Mitaka | 20:12 |
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| johnsom | We just didn't script it up or such | 20:12 |
| dougwig | that's a tad "assembly required", even for openstack. | 20:12 |
| johnsom | Ha | 20:12 |
| xgerman | yep, and the packagers are not stepping up so we should do it | 20:13 |
| johnsom | Is that a volunteer to write up the script? | 20:13 |
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| johnsom | Starting with getting that doc bug closed would be good too. | 20:14 |
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| johnsom | Ok. Moving on.... | 20:14 |
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| johnsom | #topic Should amphorae be rebootable? | 20:15 |
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| johnsom | I did get a chance to test this per my action item. It does in fact work correctly. | 20:15 |
| johnsom | Pretty fast too | 20:15 |
| dougwig | i think this topic *might* have a toe-hold in the "should amphorae be distro tweakable?" discussion. | 20:15 |
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| johnsom | So, I have moved that bug to incomplete as it works for me | 20:16 |
| johnsom | Any questions/comments on rebootable before we jump into distros? | 20:16 |
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| kobis | distro tweakable means that it should run on other linux flavors? | 20:16 |
| dougwig | that's one possible consequence of that, yes | 20:17 |
| johnsom | I suspect the reporter was running without nested virt, so boot took a very long time and/or triggered a failover | 20:17 |
| rm_work | ah, cool | 20:17 |
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| johnsom | #topic amphorae distros | 20:18 |
| xgerman | I think the limiting factor might be the tooling aka the disk image builder | 20:18 |
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| johnsom | I initially dropped this from the agenda as there was an e-mail chain going with folks that can't usually make the meeting. But we can discuss more here | 20:18 |
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| dougwig | has folks been reading that email thread? i only see a few opinions on there, and i think that has some pretty profound long-term maintenance implications. | 20:19 |
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| xgerman | yeah, I would *not_ want to support multiple distros | 20:19 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I have skimmed it, but haven't had a chance to reply | 20:19 |
| rm_work | i'm not on the ML... | 20:19 |
| kobis | can that be pluggable, as other stuff in octavia? | 20:19 |
| rm_work | is there a link? | 20:19 |
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| xgerman | there is a set of distros the disk image builder supports and we only would need to change/adjust the agent/start-up scripts | 20:20 |
| johnsom | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/thread.html | 20:20 |
| rm_work | thx | 20:20 |
| TrevorV | I've been having email list issues... I apparently keep getting email bounces... Might be something to talk to someone about | 20:20 |
| johnsom | search forsuggestion for today's meeting agenda: How to make the Amphora-agent support additional Linux flavors | 20:20 |
| xgerman | if we need to throw out the builder to support some exotic stuff, well... | 20:20 |
| rm_work | well, we need to support different forms of init | 20:20 |
| rm_work | yeah | 20:20 |
| dougwig | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/098680.html | 20:20 |
| johnsom | Ugh, macs and their strange paste function | 20:21 |
| dougwig | that's in the middle; it must've started in june | 20:21 |
| rm_work | which can be a pain >_> especially if we absolutely require they are updated in lockstep (see my stalled patch that fixes sysvinit) | 20:21 |
| xgerman | so first we need to figure out if we want to/can keep disk image builder | 20:21 |
| johnsom | To answer kobis's question, yes it is plugable. | 20:21 |
| dougwig | i'm actually most concerned of when we switch to containers instead of nova. i'm not sure i want to maintain the nova stuff forever. | 20:21 |
| rm_work | I'm not sure why DIB would be non-keepable? | 20:21 |
| johnsom | The amp to us is a black box. As long as it has the agent that works, we are fine with it. | 20:22 |
| xgerman | if you like to go to a bistro which is not supported | 20:22 |
| rm_work | yeah I've discussed the containers stuff with some infra peeps, DIB should be able to build container images with very little fuss | 20:22 |
| dougwig | we can keep it all; the real question is how much we keep, since keep implies docs, tests, upkeep, etc. | 20:22 |
| johnsom | We do ship a reference image build script, to facilitate gate tests, etc. | 20:22 |
| rm_work | I'm not married to DIB, but it seems workable sans a better alternative | 20:22 |
| johnsom | Currently our script can create Ubuntu, centos, fedora, and docker images | 20:22 |
| rm_work | and other distros can be added to DIB if they aren't supported... | 20:22 |
| johnsom | Though , we only really test the ubuntu image | 20:22 |
| * blogan stumbles in | 20:23 | |
| xgerman | rm_work +! | 20:23 |
| xgerman | well, we would still test only one image | 20:23 |
| dougwig | i don't care about dib. if we had a script that downloaded stock ubuntu, booted it, tweaked it, and saved it, i'd be equally content. | 20:23 |
| xgerman | 3rd party CI could test others | 20:23 |
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| kobis | well, if anyone needs a different builder and would like to test it, he can run his own CI | 20:23 |
| xgerman | +! | 20:23 |
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| dougwig | ok, so xgerman has hit the point indirectly right there. yes, 3rd party CI can test others. and what happens when they break? because we totally change how amps work? do we have an obligation to support that, since we accepted it? | 20:24 |
| johnsom | dougwig That is basically what DIB does.... | 20:24 |
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| xgerman | well, what does Neutron do if the build breaks? Remove the offending 3rd party stuff? | 20:24 |
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| dougwig | neutron considers the ML2 and plugin interfaces as long-term public contracts. are we saying that amps are now the same? | 20:25 |
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| dougwig | that is the maintenance obligation that i'm talking about. | 20:25 |
| xgerman | nope - our contract is with the amp-drivere | 20:25 |
| johnsom | Personally, I lean towards: we support one distro as needed for our gates. If other contribute updates, that is fine, but we don't support/babysit those other distros. | 20:26 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:26 |
| kobis | +1 | 20:26 |
| dougwig | ihar is very knowledgable about distros and packaging, so i'd encourage everyone to discuss this with him on thread. | 20:26 |
| xgerman | yeah, they asked for some refactoring to make it easier for other distress IHMO | 20:27 |
| rm_work | i'm in favor of cleanup and fixing assumptions in code | 20:27 |
| dougwig | johnsom: i agree with that statement, and further agree with blogan's statement that if we get a micro-image that switches distros, i'm totally fine dumping ubuntu. :) | 20:27 |
| rm_work | yeah fffffff ubuntu | 20:27 |
| rm_work | micro-image please | 20:27 |
| johnsom | Yep | 20:27 |
| rm_work | I was working on that for a while but was retasked | 20:27 |
| rm_work | my experience with distro-building was not enough to do it very quickly | 20:27 |
| rm_work | I am sure someone with better knowledge could hammer it out in a week | 20:28 |
| dougwig | xgerman, rm_work: hang on, if we accept refactoring that allows other distros, and they tool around that, it's not feasible to just yank that carpet away a few weeks later. that comes with implications. | 20:28 |
| rm_work | dougwig: I'm happy to allow time for 3rd-party CIs to fix issues around CRs that change amphora contract | 20:28 |
| rm_work | as a matter of policy | 20:28 |
| rm_work | but, there just need to be limits on that | 20:29 |
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| rm_work | on the other hand, are we really going to seriously change much with the amp agent *contract* at this point? | 20:29 |
| dougwig | what happens if we decide REST is really dumber than ssh and want to switch back? or if a pub-sub model for amps is better? do we have to maintain the rest agent forever? | 20:29 |
| xgerman | mmh, the refactoring they wanted was that agent would start keepalived and haproxy without the help of the system | 20:29 |
| dougwig | because rest is dumber, but that's a tangent. | 20:29 |
| johnsom | In reality, our touch points with the distro are pretty small. Just a few minor "we have to do it different to be different" things. | 20:29 |
| rm_work | dougwig: well, some of us already decided that, because it is :P | 20:29 |
| blogan | rpc | 20:29 |
| xgerman | SOAP - keep its clean | 20:30 |
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| TrevorV | you mention SOAP again I'll cut you... | 20:30 |
| rm_work | -2 | 20:30 |
| rm_work | -2 | 20:30 |
| rm_work | -2 | 20:30 |
| kobis | :) | 20:30 |
| xgerman | and while we are at it rewrite agent in Go | 20:30 |
| TrevorV | SOAP is not a good thing. EVER | 20:30 |
| TrevorV | Unless its not an acronym and is for cleaning | 20:30 |
| johnsom | SOAP is a great idea! | 20:30 |
| johnsom | Corba too | 20:30 |
| dougwig | i get that it's easy to support multi-distro amps. but it's setting a precedent for how our amps are built and communicate, and once we have a community around *that*, we will need to support it. | 20:30 |
| rm_work | yeah, I like the contract we have now with the agent | 20:30 |
| johnsom | People can write alternate amphora drivers | 20:31 |
| rm_work | everything is just around "make the agent init, make the agent properly touch the machine" | 20:31 |
| rm_work | the contract is around the API interaction, and should be solid | 20:31 |
| blogan | is the problem here really whether or nto the amp agent interface is something we always maintain? or is it the actual distro its running on? | 20:31 |
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| dougwig | johnsom: and what happens if the current amp driver becomes the alternate? i guess we can tell the 3rd party they have to take it over. | 20:31 |
| rm_work | yep | 20:31 |
| dougwig | though that has not gone well with the namespace driver. | 20:31 |
| rm_work | there's deprecation cycles for a reason | 20:31 |
| xgerman | nor V1 | 20:31 |
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| rm_work | i'm just not super concerned that we'll break *contract*, which I define as the REST API contract with the agent | 20:32 |
| johnsom | Yes, I would argue that if "we" move on for the reference amp (gates) then yes, if someone wants to keep the REST they need to maintain it. | 20:32 |
| * rm_work calls a vote to return to using the SSH driver | 20:33 | |
| johnsom | Even the REST API contract is inside the amp driver, so.... | 20:33 |
| blogan | i'd like to move on to an API on the host/hypervisor instead of on each amp | 20:33 |
| xgerman | well, we need to be clear with people not that they write their own REST agents and get caught flat footed | 20:33 |
| dougwig | and what, in our history or openstack's history, would imply that we've ever been able to remove drivers we don't like? :) | 20:33 |
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| rm_work | people SHOULD be able to write their own agent code, if they want -- as long as they follow the contract :P | 20:34 |
| dougwig | i'm ok if the answer is being upfront about what's in flux and what they might have to take over. as xgerman said, i have no interest in sowing the seeds of surprise later. | 20:34 |
| rm_work | that's the whole point of a REST API contract | 20:34 |
| dougwig | rm_work: note above blogan's statement about where the rest endpoint lives, e.g. | 20:34 |
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| johnsom | I think it comes down to going in and moving the driver/agent code out to a separate repo. Probably as it should have been. But only if it really comes down to moving it out | 20:34 |
| rm_work | yeah I started on that, and it's a lot more work than I thought | 20:34 |
| rm_work | there's a LOT of code-reuse in there | 20:34 |
| rm_work | which is gooood, but | 20:35 |
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| rm_work | it means it touches a ton of the rest of the project | 20:35 |
| xgerman | it’s a hair ball... | 20:35 |
| rm_work | so isolating it means a LOT of copy/paste | 20:35 |
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| johnsom | I just want it to be clear, the contract is with the amp driver, not the REST API driver | 20:35 |
| rm_work | we almost need octavia-lib | 20:35 |
| dougwig | johnsom: +1 | 20:35 |
| rm_work | hmm, fair point | 20:35 |
| xgerman | johnsom +1 — and that needs spelling out in CAPS | 20:35 |
| rm_work | yeah because i didn't even think of it that way until you mentioned it | 20:36 |
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| blogan | thats how we initially thought of it | 20:36 |
| xgerman | (was another one of the votes I lost) | 20:36 |
| johnsom | It's all that indirection you guys love so much | 20:36 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:36 |
| rm_work | well, yeah, the indirection that'll let us go back to SSH once this whole REST thing blows over | 20:36 |
| xgerman | and now you come around to just make the REST interface a contract ;-) | 20:36 |
| johnsom | (well, I love it, but) | 20:36 |
| xgerman | next time we will create the haproxy file on the amp as well | 20:37 |
| dougwig | i suspect *strongly* that once we have internal support for custom distro amps, having that support disappear would be... loud. | 20:37 |
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| johnsom | Ok, so, what I hear is we need to put up a doc, stating our "contract" intentions as well as the amp image build scripts. | 20:37 |
| blogan | so what are the implications of just saying the contract is with the amp driver and not the amp agent api? that we're not maintaining custom distros? | 20:38 |
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| xgerman | well, we limit our support if we decide that hypervisor things is better | 20:38 |
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| johnsom | I can take that, but it will likely be next week or later..... | 20:39 |
| xgerman | or dougwig’s beloved SSH driver | 20:39 |
| dougwig | i'm stackforging that someday. | 20:39 |
| dougwig | johnsom: let's go for consensus on the ML before we write it up? | 20:39 |
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| johnsom | Ok, that buys time. But we will need to build consensus around the patch too | 20:40 |
| rm_work | dougwig: i'll contribute <_< | 20:40 |
| rm_work | dougwig: I'll +2 it for main repo >_> | 20:40 |
| johnsom | I really don't want to lock out other distros, if they want to support it, from the code, but having clear expectations around that are needed. | 20:41 |
| johnsom | (thus why I put fedora/centos/docker support in our image builder script) | 20:41 |
| blogan | we're not locking anyone out if we're using the best driver we have | 20:41 |
| xgerman | well, they were concerned about us supporting upstart and they have something else | 20:42 |
| dougwig | right, i don't want to lock anyone out. i also don't want to lock our group into a crushing maintenance burden, when we still lack basic features. | 20:42 |
| xgerman | but that should be fixable | 20:42 |
| blogan | systemd | 20:42 |
| blogan | but everyone is moving to systemd | 20:42 |
| dougwig | oh, systemd can go get fucked. but that's another tangent. | 20:42 |
| xgerman | so it’s a non issue? | 20:42 |
| johnsom | Yeah, we need to take that plunge | 20:42 |
| rm_work | well | 20:42 |
| rm_work | for one, can we vote on whether we have to update EVERY INIT SCRIPT in lockstep? | 20:43 |
| rm_work | that holds back progress IMO | 20:43 |
| blogan | pretty sure dougwig will be on the wrong end of systemd getting fucked | 20:43 |
| johnsom | Ok, good discussion, let's all try to contribute to the ML discussion with an end goal of getting a doc into the repo | 20:43 |
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| rm_work | see: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298424/ | 20:43 |
| rm_work | I ended up abandoning it because it's a fix to sysvinit only, and I'm not going to *uck around with upstart | 20:44 |
| xgerman | I would think we leave updating init scripts to distress but provide interfaces | 20:44 |
| johnsom | Well, I pushed back because it wasn't updating our reference init script for the gates | 20:44 |
| rm_work | so i guess we don't get fixed sysvinit? >_> | 20:44 |
| rm_work | i feel like a lot of people are going to feel similarly | 20:44 |
| rm_work | so let people who want things fix them | 20:44 |
| rm_work | don't force people to fix things they aren't using | 20:44 |
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| xgerman | well, we should not have more features in the non-reference implementation | 20:45 |
| rm_work | that has a tendency to discourage any contribution, because "if you want to submit a fix for A, you'll have to submit a fix for B too" gets old | 20:45 |
| rm_work | LESS BUGS, not more features | 20:45 |
| rm_work | "can't fix the bug in A, because you didn't fix a similar bug in B which isn't used at the same time as A" | 20:45 |
| dougwig | i don't find the lassiez-faire approach to merging vendor code to be very practical. it's very non-deterministic, and still has global maintenance implications. | 20:45 |
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| dougwig | we just need guidelines, i think. and to not accept code that doesn't fit with our reference, unless it's shims or hooks to enable people. IMO. | 20:46 |
| johnsom | rm_work I'm sorry you abandoned that. I don't think it was much work to fix the upstart side too and offered to help with that. | 20:46 |
| rm_work | I mean, could go fix upstart, but at this point I'm not doing it as a matter of principle -- this is a dumb way to encourage sontributions | 20:46 |
| rm_work | *contributions | 20:46 |
| rm_work | I think it sets a bad precedent | 20:47 |
| rm_work | I guess others disagree | 20:47 |
| rm_work | but that's my $0.02 | 20:47 |
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| johnsom | Let's talk about it offline | 20:48 |
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| rm_work | kk | 20:48 |
| johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 20:48 |
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| johnsom | Any other topics? | 20:48 |
| dougwig | i don't see *any* edits to the midcycle etherpad since we finalized dates/location. go edit yourself! | 20:48 |
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| fnaval | i'd like to request to tag along as a co-presenter for any talks being given | 20:49 |
| blogan | cascade delete | 20:49 |
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| johnsom | cascade delete is a good one | 20:49 |
| rm_work | I'm interested in helping with a demo, if we'll have one, but since it sounds like maybe we won't have a specific demo lab, I'm prolly good | 20:49 |
| blogan | just want to make sure that we have consensus to do this in nlbaas still | 20:49 |
| rm_work | not sure i'd be able to go anyway | 20:49 |
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| blogan | with the impending move away from nlbaas | 20:49 |
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| johnsom | If we don't get that API cooked I think the client update is going to be dead | 20:49 |
| blogan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338048/ | 20:50 |
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| fnaval | +1 rm_work | 20:50 |
| blogan | i've started teh cascade delete stuff again | 20:50 |
| blogan | and it shouldn't be too difficult with the graphs stuff already done | 20:50 |
| xgerman | you know it’s almost N-2 — and only because of a naming issue... | 20:50 |
| * xgerman bangs head on wall | 20:50 | |
| johnsom | blogan Cool! Ping me when the API works-ish and I will update the client code | 20:50 |
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| sbelous_ | guys, can you please check this one: | 20:51 |
| sbelous_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337117/ | 20:51 |
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| dougwig | my vote is keeping cascade in octavia only and just accelerate the split | 20:52 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:52 |
| rm_work | would love to "accelerate the split", but what is the timeline we're looking at still? | 20:52 |
| rm_work | maybe O-release? | 20:52 |
| johnsom | That is an interesting one. It could be implemented to allow overlapping IPs as long as the subnets were different. It would be a lot of work however | 20:53 |
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| bana_k | johnsom thanks for the review on image create patch, was able to solve the problem and addressed couple of your comment. will address other comments in the follow up patch | 20:53 |
| johnsom | The vendors might not support that | 20:53 |
| johnsom | bana_k Ok, thanks | 20:54 |
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| johnsom | Anything else? | 20:54 |
| johnsom | Thanks folks | 20:55 |
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| johnsom | #endmeeting | 20:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 6 20:55:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-07-06-19.59.html | 20:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-07-06-19.59.txt | 20:55 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-07-06-19.59.log.html | 20:55 |
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| TrevorV | \o | 20:55 |
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