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| dirk | toabctl, dirk, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jruzicka: ping | 12:58 |
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| dirk | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 9 13:00:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dirk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 13:00 |
| dirk | everyone, please add your agenda items to | 13:00 |
| dirk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:00 |
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| IgorYozhikov | o/ | 13:02 |
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| dirk | #topic consume renderspec & pymod2pkg from pypi in CI jobs | 13:06 |
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| IgorYozhikov | yes, I started asking about it already. | 13:07 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: I'd say yes, we should consume the versions listed in the *txt files | 13:07 |
| dirk | e.g. to make it similar like running locally tox -e | 13:07 |
| IgorYozhikov | so just to be sure that we are using the same versions in CI | 13:07 |
| IgorYozhikov | and results of jobs are more || less the same according to used renderspec version | 13:08 |
| dirk | yep | 13:08 |
| dirk | I'm obviously pro the topic. any concerns? | 13:08 |
| dirk | from anyone? | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | since that do we need make pymod2pkg release too? | 13:09 |
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| IgorYozhikov | which will contain all latest commits? | 13:09 |
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| IgorYozhikov | after that we could just use pip install renderspec instead of checking out code from git | 13:10 |
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| IgorYozhikov | number80, toabctl - your opinion | 13:11 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: we released the tip of tree of pymod2pkg and renderspec as of yesterday as 0.4.0 and 1.0.0, respectively | 13:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, cool | 13:11 |
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| IgorYozhikov | since that I can update packages for them in our downstream - yey | 13:11 |
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| toabctl | +1 for using the released versions. | 13:12 |
| toabctl | that's also what we do in the SUSE CI | 13:13 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: as I suggested we could just package the spec files for those packages in the rpm-packaging project :-) | 13:13 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk are you speaking about creating spec.j2 for renderspec & pymod2pkg? | 13:15 |
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| toabctl | make sense, dirk :) | 13:16 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: yep | 13:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, I can do that if there are no objections | 13:17 |
| dirk | #agreed CIs should use the relesased versions of renderspec/pymod2pkg that the requirements.txt file depends on | 13:17 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: fine by me | 13:17 |
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| IgorYozhikov | great, let's proceed? | 13:19 |
| dirk | #topic python version for renderspec 2 or 3, functionallity extension - auto populate from project requirements + blacklist support | 13:19 |
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| dirk | I am not sure I understand the topic | 13:19 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov, would you explain | 13:19 |
| dirk | ? | 13:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | we almost done with renderspec "deb" | 13:19 |
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| IgorYozhikov | and I want to discuss some features we already add and want to add in nearest future | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | zigo asked about auto-population of requirements from project requirements.tx file | 13:21 |
| IgorYozhikov | let me show you how it works - http://paste.openstack.org/show/509202/ | 13:21 |
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| IgorYozhikov | also i asked our devops to provide access to our git repository, toabctl already checked it | 13:22 |
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| IgorYozhikov | and you could read the code | 13:22 |
| IgorYozhikov | And I have a couple of questions here | 13:22 |
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| IgorYozhikov | 1: as we discussed a week ago about bringing back code with debian style support to initial repository | 13:23 |
| IgorYozhikov | dh-python needs py3 | 13:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | with py2 renderspec fails with encoding error | 13:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xc2' in file /usr/share/dh-python/dhpython/__init__.py | 13:24 |
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| IgorYozhikov | 2: question is about your thought/opinion about functionality we already made | 13:26 |
| dirk | I haven't looked at it, toabctl ? | 13:27 |
| IgorYozhikov | 3: blacklist file - list of pymodules that will be cut of from auto-population | 13:27 |
| number80 | debian style? | 13:28 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, m. I don't get the questions. about qeustion 1) - what's the question? to use renderspec with python3? | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes | 13:29 |
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| number80 | having renderspec compatible w/ python3 is definitively a goal | 13:29 |
| number80 | but it should be running on both python2/3 for now | 13:30 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, as number80 said, afaik it is already working with py3. so just call it with python3 | 13:31 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: we have a review open to add python 3 testing for renderspec changes | 13:32 |
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| dirk | so just use it with python3 if thats what you need? | 13:32 |
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| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, just clarifying - if I || my colleagues will commit back renderspec with deb support it should be fine. because for debian it works fine only with py3 | 13:32 |
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| IgorYozhikov | due limitation of dh-python | 13:34 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, py3 support should work and as dirk said, there will be a job to test with py3, too | 13:35 |
| number80 | IgorYozhikov: just a question, do you mean that renderspec would also generate debian packages? | 13:35 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, the goal here - add something like --spec-style debian - and yes | 13:36 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, regarding question 2) - I haven't looked into it in detail yet. tbh I would like to see a changeset on review.openstack.org to look into it. so others can comment on it, too | 13:36 |
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| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, sure, will do that on next week | 13:37 |
| number80 | IgorYozhikov: I don't mind, personally | 13:37 |
| toabctl | number80, do you have an opinion about the debian support? we discussed that last week | 13:37 |
| toabctl | ah.ok | 13:37 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: just split it in sensible hunks, and we'll handle it as reviews | 13:37 |
| number80 | toabctl: if renderspec can generate debian packages, I don't mind but it has to be properly done | 13:37 |
| dirk | I'm happy to make it more useable for others | 13:37 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, I'll try | 13:37 |
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| toabctl | ok | 13:38 |
| number80 | for repo, I need more details because I'm not sure what I'd be signing for :0 | 13:38 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, and I don't understand question 3) - what is auto-population? | 13:39 |
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| IgorYozhikov | number80, I can show you how it works, if any1 interested I can arrange a video call :) | 13:39 |
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| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, http://paste.openstack.org/show/509202/ | 13:39 |
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| IgorYozhikov | {{ req2pkgs() | indent(9) }} | 13:40 |
| IgorYozhikov | function | 13:40 |
| number80 | IgorYozhikov: I'll ping you later about it, I'm multitasking again | 13:40 |
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| IgorYozhikov | which is populating requirements from project reqs txt file | 13:40 |
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| toabctl | where does the requirements file come from? | 13:41 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I use this command renderspec-deb --requirements global-requirements.txt --project-requirements ../oslo.db/requirements.txt -o - examples/oslo.db.control.j2 | 13:41 |
| IgorYozhikov | from source code project | 13:41 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, what's the difference between --requirements and --project-requirements ? | 13:42 |
| toabctl | you can already use --requirements multiple times. | 13:42 |
| IgorYozhikov | --requirements works as usual | 13:42 |
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| IgorYozhikov | --project-requirements is used for auto-population | 13:43 |
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| toabctl | so we no longer maintain the list of Requires but use this autopopulation thingy? | 13:44 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: but thats an independent feature .. (auto population) | 13:44 |
| IgorYozhikov | we could maintain both in case of necessity | 13:44 |
| dirk | we could decide for or against that for rpm packages | 13:44 |
| dirk | as well | 13:45 |
| dirk | currently I was leaning towards not having auto population | 13:45 |
| toabctl | me, too | 13:45 |
| dirk | to give a chance of opinionating the packaging | 13:45 |
| toabctl | and just using requirements.txt from a project is not enough. there may be requirements in setup.cfg and other files | 13:45 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, agree, and that is why I'm asking | 13:45 |
| dirk | but thats maybe a wrong approach if you think about the goal of having a genuine openstack packaging of openstack | 13:45 |
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| toabctl | getting requirements from a repo/sdist could be a own project imo | 13:46 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: is the project-requirements thing a requirement for zigo/the deb packaging folks? | 13:46 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, yep | 13:46 |
| IgorYozhikov | zigo asked about it | 13:47 |
| * number80 is found of autopopulation too | 13:47 | |
| number80 | *not | 13:47 |
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| number80 | it could be an option for debian support of renderspec though | 13:47 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes, I can enable this only in case of style - debian | 13:47 |
| IgorYozhikov | thanks number80 for suggestion | 13:48 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, has zigo already code to get requirements from a sdist ? | 13:49 |
| zigo | We don't use sdist binaries. | 13:49 |
| zigo | Just plain git... | 13:49 |
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| toabctl | zigo, hey | 13:50 |
| toabctl | zigo, so same question - just replace sdist with git :) | 13:50 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, dirk are you fine if this function will available only with spec-style debian? | 13:50 |
| zigo | toabctl: I used to, but since the requirements.txt are full of != and python-version<3.3 stuff, what I wrote is broken... | 13:51 |
| toabctl | zigo, there is the packaging module which handles the requirements markers . | 13:51 |
| zigo | toabctl: Using Python code? | 13:51 |
| toabctl | zigo, yes | 13:52 |
| zigo | My stuff was in plain shell ... :P | 13:52 |
| toabctl | heh | 13:52 |
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| zigo | ISO shell, only for the true hackers (tm) | 13:52 |
| zigo | :) | 13:52 |
| zigo | More seriously: I was too lazy to write things correctly in Python. | 13:53 |
| zigo | It's good someone else has enough time to write it properly. | 13:53 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: well.. I would prefer to try to unify the approaches of requirements handling | 13:53 |
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| dirk | in the long run it would be better I think. but if we can't agree then I'm not objecting to adding an option for satisfying conflicting needs | 13:54 |
| dirk | but still trying first to come to the same approach would be preferable | 13:54 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, ok, I'll try to propose PRs | 13:54 |
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| IgorYozhikov | next topic? | 13:54 |
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| number80 | yes | 13:56 |
| dirk | #topic reviews | 13:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:56 | |
| dirk | since we're about to run out of time, can we do that topic in the rpm-packaging channel? | 13:57 |
| toabctl | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/(project:openstack/rpm-packaging+OR+openstack/renderspec+OR+openstack/pymod2pkg)+AND+is:open | 13:57 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes | 13:57 |
| toabctl | ah.sure | 13:57 |
| zigo | Guys, could you please review these 2: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278360/1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274077/6 | 13:57 |
| number80 | ack | 13:57 |
| IgorYozhikov | I already spent some time this week doing this | 13:57 |
| zigo | These are adding a --sysconfdir option in PBR. | 13:57 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: main open things are rebasings of the python*client spec templates.. are you guys going to do that? | 13:57 |
| dirk | ok, lets end the meeting here and move over | 13:58 |
| dirk | thanks! | 13:58 |
| dirk | #endmeeting | 13:58 |
| zigo | So that we don't get stuff in /usr/et | 13:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 9 13:58:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-06-09-13.00.html | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-06-09-13.00.txt | 13:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-06-09-13.00.log.html | 13:58 |
| zigo | So that we don't get stuff in /usr/etc | 13:58 |
| zigo | :) | 13:58 |
| zigo | number80: please vote again | 13:58 |
| number80 | yes | 13:58 |
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| m3m0 | #startmeeting freezer | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 9 14:01:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is m3m0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:01 |
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| m3m0 | who's here for the freezer meeting? | 14:01 |
| ddieterly | o/ | 14:01 |
| thatsdone | o/ | 14:02 |
| yuval | o/ | 14:02 |
| yuval | (<---- yuval from smaug) | 14:02 |
| slashme | O/ | 14:03 |
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| slashme | Hello Yuval | 14:03 |
| yuval | Hello | 14:03 |
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| jonaspf | Hi | 14:03 |
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| szaher | Hello | 14:05 |
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| daemontool | o/ | 14:05 |
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| m3m0 | ok guys, let's start | 14:06 |
| m3m0 | the agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:06 |
| m3m0 | I think we don't have any topics yet | 14:06 |
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| m3m0 | #topic Smaug | 14:07 |
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| m3m0 | any thoughts on that? | 14:07 |
| daemontool | I'm ok with that | 14:07 |
| daemontool | as long as the scope is define | 14:07 |
| ddieterly | sure | 14:08 |
| m3m0 | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Smaug | 14:08 |
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| daemontool | so for DR I think there's overlap | 14:08 |
| slashme | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326724 | 14:08 |
| daemontool | also in the repo there isn't that much | 14:08 |
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| yuval | daemontool: Smaug's scope is not DR, but rather Data Protection | 14:09 |
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| daemontool | yuval, ok, please check my comment on that | 14:10 |
| daemontool | on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326724 | 14:10 |
| yuval | daemontool: Smaug's API can be used to enable DR. Smaug is not doing health check, fencing, etc | 14:10 |
| daemontool | so I suggest to put more focus on this meeting on the Freezer related tasks | 14:10 |
| daemontool | yuval, thanks for your feedback | 14:10 |
| yuval | daemontool: Sure, we will be happy to collaborate | 14:11 |
| daemontool | yuval, :) | 14:11 |
| daemontool | yuval, I think it is more effective if you talk with slashme about that as he's the PTL | 14:11 |
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| yuval | daemontool: thanks, we will | 14:13 |
| m3m0 | all set with this topic? | 14:13 |
| daemontool | anyway I've already gave my +1 on that | 14:13 |
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| m3m0 | ok let's move forward | 14:14 |
| m3m0 | #topic Status tracking in respect to the Road Map | 14:14 |
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| m3m0 | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/FreezerRoadmap | 14:14 |
| ddieterly | just an observation, there's no mention of newton in the roadmap | 14:16 |
| daemontool | ddieterly, yes I think it needs to be updated | 14:16 |
| m3m0 | yes it needs to be updated | 14:16 |
| slashme | ddieterly: I will update that | 14:16 |
| daemontool | but there's a roadmap wiritten by slashme | 14:16 |
| daemontool | as far as I can remember | 14:17 |
| ddieterly | it's a 'double secret' roadmap ;-) | 14:17 |
| daemontool | :) | 14:17 |
| daemontool | I think is the one from the last meet up | 14:17 |
| daemontool | probably | 14:17 |
| daemontool | I can't remember | 14:18 |
| daemontool | if anyone of us is writing or started to work on the deduplication bp | 14:18 |
| slashme | daemontool: not for now. | 14:18 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:18 |
| daemontool | what are the next outstanding priorities? | 14:19 |
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| slashme | Integration tests / refactoring / oslo policy | 14:19 |
| slashme | DR kick off | 14:20 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:20 |
| daemontool | so testing, stabilization, oslo and dr | 14:20 |
| daemontool | sounds good | 14:20 |
| daemontool | after that we'll focus on feature? | 14:20 |
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| slashme | block based if you can make it | 14:20 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:20 |
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| daemontool | I'm negotiating time for upstream now | 14:21 |
| slashme | And then, regarding features: deployment automation (puppet, ansible, heat, ... ) | 14:21 |
| daemontool | I should be able to work on it couple of days a week | 14:21 |
| daemontool | starting from July&August | 14:21 |
| slashme | Deduplication | 14:21 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:21 |
| daemontool | sounds good | 14:21 |
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| daemontool | everywhere I'm being asked for a better baas | 14:22 |
| daemontool | with volumes mainly | 14:22 |
| slashme | daemontool: first step for this is oslo policy | 14:22 |
| daemontool | ah ok brilliant | 14:22 |
| daemontool | there's the tripleo and ironic based backup | 14:23 |
| daemontool | also | 14:23 |
| daemontool | for distros like RH OSP | 14:23 |
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| ddieterly | daemontool who is asking for baas? | 14:24 |
| daemontool | do you want the names of the companies? | 14:24 |
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| daemontool | it's in the Bid requirements | 14:24 |
| ddieterly | daemontool yes | 14:25 |
| daemontool | of any big company that is using openstack | 14:25 |
| daemontool | in the backup part | 14:25 |
| daemontool | the PS service guys for sure have visibility on this | 14:25 |
| ddieterly | where are the 'bid requirements'? | 14:25 |
| daemontool | ok ddieterly I'll explain this to you offline after the meeting :) | 14:26 |
| ddieterly | ok | 14:26 |
| daemontool | probably we can move forward to the next topic | 14:27 |
| m3m0 | any new reqs? | 14:27 |
| daemontool | the req I have so to be able to backup tripleo based distros | 14:27 |
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| daemontool | otherwise freezer it cannot be used in solutions where triple is used, | 14:28 |
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| daemontool | tripleo | 14:28 |
| daemontool | also there's the | 14:28 |
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| daemontool | tenant resources backup | 14:28 |
| daemontool | as metadata, volumes and alike | 14:28 |
| daemontool | but I think we need to setup well the freezer-specs repo | 14:29 |
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| daemontool | nothing else from me | 14:31 |
| slashme | Freezer spec review is ready if I remember well | 14:31 |
| slashme | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316865/ | 14:31 |
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| slashme | Ohh, I need to find what the problem is... | 14:31 |
| m3m0 | can we move forward? | 14:32 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:32 |
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| m3m0 | #topic logging convention [-] [*]. i.e, what is that | 14:34 |
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| slashme | I think we need to do a full code check on logging, in order to streamline messages and log levels. | 14:34 |
| ddieterly | +1 | 14:35 |
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| ddieterly | looks like nobody knows the reason for [*] | 14:35 |
| szaher | slashme: we said that many times and we never did it :) hope this time we can do it | 14:35 |
| m3m0 | daemontool knows why :) | 14:36 |
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| daemontool | I've added it in the very beginning | 14:36 |
| daemontool | so easily identify freezer logs | 14:36 |
| daemontool | but now that we are using oslo | 14:36 |
| daemontool | the name of the service is written in the log | 14:36 |
| daemontool | so it is not needed anymore | 14:36 |
| m3m0 | ok, we can safely remove that then | 14:37 |
| m3m0 | :) | 14:37 |
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| m3m0 | #topic Pending Reviews | 14:37 |
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| ddieterly | how about the [-]? | 14:37 |
| ddieterly | daemontool thanks for clarifying the [*] mystery | 14:38 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325943/ | 14:38 |
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| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326093/ | 14:38 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326157/ | 14:38 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327241/ | 14:38 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324529/ | 14:38 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325512/ | 14:38 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319182/ | 14:38 |
| m3m0 | is [-] not set by oslo? | 14:38 |
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| ddieterly | i think it is supposed to be the id of something | 14:39 |
| ddieterly | not sure what though | 14:39 |
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| slashme | #topic Reminder about code reviews | 14:40 |
| slashme | I would like to remind you of what reviewing some code means: | 14:40 |
| slashme | - !! Test the code !! | 14:40 |
| slashme | - Read the code | 14:40 |
| slashme | - Check for the presence of a bug-id or blueprint-id | 14:40 |
| slashme | - Check for documentation of the code (Both comment and addition to the doc) | 14:40 |
| slashme | - Check if the mappings have been updated accordingly if necessary | 14:40 |
| slashme | - Check for the presence of unit and integration tests | 14:40 |
| slashme | As you all know, we are still working on adding more integration tests, that means that CI will not always catch errors and we can't rely only on it. | 14:40 |
| slashme | The scheduler is currently broken on master because of this patch: http://git.gozer.hpcloud.net/cgit/openstack/freezer/commit/?id=b16f8b1692294a48316aa406d036c09f4e5d05b6 | 14:40 |
| slashme | This one has been approved by daemontool and ddieterly, but we all fall for the facility of trusting the developper to test its patch sometime. | 14:40 |
| slashme | Please be carefull. | 14:40 |
| ddieterly | i tested that on my local dev box | 14:41 |
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| daemontool | how can I approve a commit in gozer :) | 14:42 |
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| jonaspf | ddieterly: this is the related bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/freezer/+bug/1590787 | 14:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1590787 in Freezer "Scheduler fails due to incompatibilities with keystoneauth1" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Jonas (jonas-pfannschmidt) | 14:43 |
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| jonaspf | maybe you didn't test specifically the 'start' command in freezer-scheduler? | 14:43 |
| ddieterly | i see | 14:43 |
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| ddieterly | yes, clearly, my testing was inadequate | 14:44 |
| daemontool | ah ok got it now | 14:44 |
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| ddieterly | i was trying to be a good citizen by doing reviews and moving things along | 14:44 |
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| jonaspf | please continue doing this. I don't want to blame anyone. we had similar issues in the past with different people involved (incl. myself) | 14:46 |
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| slashme | I am not blaming anyone, this is not a big deal, and we need to move things along in order to avoid accumulating patch to review. | 14:46 |
| slashme | Things are going to be easyier the more integration tests we have. | 14:46 |
| jonaspf | the good news is that I catched this problem while writing my integration test. so once that's merged (hopefully today) we have another safety net | 14:46 |
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| ddieterly | jonaspf that's great! | 14:47 |
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| daemontool | +1 | 14:49 |
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| ddieterly | seems to have gone quiet here | 14:51 |
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| domhnallw | A little bit... | 14:52 |
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| ddieterly | folks must be reviewing like crazy or something | 14:53 |
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| daemontool | lol | 14:53 |
| ddieterly | daemontool i can always count on you for humor ;-) | 14:54 |
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| daemontool | always | 14:54 |
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| daemontool | so I don't think we have any other point to discuss? | 14:55 |
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| m3m0 | #endmeeting | 14:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 9 14:55:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-06-09-14.01.html | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-06-09-14.01.txt | 14:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-06-09-14.01.log.html | 14:55 |
| yuval | thanks, cya all | 14:55 |
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| ddieterly | ciao! | 14:56 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 9 15:00:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| mkoderer | hi | 15:00 |
| jseiler | hi | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | Hello | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:00 |
| zhongjun_ | hi | 15:00 |
| dustins | \o | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:00 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | The midcycle meetup is set for June 28-30 (possibly just 28-29) and it will be virtual this time | 15:01 |
| tpsilva | hello | 15:02 |
| bswartz | That's just 2.5 weeks away so I'll get the etherpad together to collect topics | 15:02 |
| mkoderer | +1 | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic HPB feature | 15:02 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 15:02 |
| bswartz | mkoderer: you're up | 15:03 |
| mkoderer | so the spec was merged | 15:03 |
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| mkoderer | I just wanted to discussed the topic of merging and testing | 15:03 |
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| mkoderer | IMHO https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283494/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284034/ is ready for merge | 15:03 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:03 |
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| mkoderer | the testing (functional) can be done using the container driver | 15:03 |
| bswartz | mkoderer: that's good -- the container driver is nearly ready | 15:04 |
| mkoderer | so I would suggest to merge them first and see to get the container driver running with it | 15:04 |
| bswartz | there are some issues running ganesha inside an ubuntu-based container, but aovchinnikov is working on them | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | he's been on vacation lately which is why we haven't seen updates to that, but he'll be back next week | 15:05 |
| mkoderer | ok that's fine.. we have to rebase it and make it working with the binding | 15:05 |
| bswartz | there was an old bug related to this | 15:05 |
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| mkoderer | bswartz: yeah I will work together with aovchinnikov | 15:06 |
| mkoderer | I have a plan how we can change his driver to make both stuff working properly | 15:06 |
| mkoderer | I this fine for everybody? | 15:06 |
| * bswartz finds it | 15:06 | |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:06 |
| bswartz | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1553130 | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1553130 in Manila "LXC/LXD: neutron_host_id is not checked" [Low,Won't fix] - Assigned to Alexey Ovchinnikov (aovchinnikov) | 15:06 |
| bswartz | so this bug was never fixed | 15:07 |
| bswartz | do we need something similar for container driver? | 15:07 |
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| mkoderer | bswartz: oh I think I have a different one | 15:07 |
| bswartz | it's fine if it's a different bug -- I just want to make sure we address it | 15:08 |
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| mkoderer | bswartz: I will search it later.. searching in launpad is hell | 15:08 |
| bswartz | lol | 15:08 |
| ganso | mkoderer: are you proposing merging the feature without any functional tests and then test when container driver is ready? why not rebase container driver on top? | 15:08 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:09 |
| mkoderer | ganso: yes I am propsing to merge it | 15:09 |
| mkoderer | ganso: the binding driver is a seperate class (which does not interfere any driver setup) | 15:09 |
| bswartz | ganso: this is a hard one to test -- there's no new APIs | 15:09 |
| bswartz | we have a lot of test coverage gaps in the area of network plugins | 15:09 |
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| ganso | but then we would be temporarily merging something that nobody is using, and untested | 15:10 |
| bswartz | for example the standalone network plugin isn't covered by tempest either right now | 15:10 |
| mkoderer | ganso: basically the neutron driver is not "gate tested" at all | 15:10 |
| bswartz | neither is nova-net (but we know why that is) | 15:10 |
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| vponomaryov | mkoderer: neutron driver? | 15:11 |
| mkoderer | ganso: but I agree to your point.. that's why I am asking ;) | 15:11 |
| bswartz | actually that's true -- the neutron network plugin itself won't get gate tests coverage until we have the container driver | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer: you wanted to say neutron network plugin that is tested in NetApp's CI? | 15:11 |
| bswartz | because the generic driver doesn't really use the same neutron network plugin that other DHSS=true drivers use | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer: and EMC VNX | 15:11 |
| ganso | I don't understand the rush, if the can have the container driver rebased on top and then we can see both features (neutron port binding and container driver) working | 15:11 |
| mkoderer | vponomaryov: yes it's tested in 3rd party ci but not in any open reference driver currently | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | I share ganso's opinion | 15:12 |
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| mkoderer | ganso: it's hard to work on additional code if you have 4 dependent patches | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | we can test it, then lets implement testing groud first then merge | 15:12 |
| bswartz | ganso: I agree there's no rush, but we should try to merge stuff earlier rather than later (so we don't have 30 bug patches at the end of N-3) and a plan exists to cover it with tests | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | s/groud/ground/ | 15:13 |
| bswartz | s/bug/big/ | 15:13 |
| bswartz | mkoderer: any objection to holding off on merge until we have container driver in tree? | 15:13 |
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| vponomaryov | order of merge: 1) container driver; 2) all HPB stuff on top of it + tests | 15:14 |
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| mkoderer | vponomaryov: you can'T merge the container driver without hpb stuff | 15:14 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: could be the opposite and reverse workflow as well | 15:14 |
| mkoderer | at least the binding part | 15:14 |
| bswartz | I don't see how that's true | 15:14 |
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| gouthamr | mkoderer: i'd like to help test the netapp DHSS=True driver with HPB plugin.. if we can talk about what's needed to set it up on our CI.. | 15:15 |
| bswartz | the network capabilities of the container driver may be limited, but it will work okay with HPB -- I've tested it | 15:15 |
| bswartz | s/with/without/ | 15:15 |
| ganso | ok then we can reverse workflow so the container driver that depends on HPB works | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | either way I think we'd like both things to merge close together, and soon | 15:15 |
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| mkoderer | ok fine | 15:16 |
| bswartz | I'm glad the HPB stuff is ready | 15:16 |
| mkoderer | so desicion is: we merge port binding + container close together | 15:16 |
| bswartz | mkoderer: aovchinnikov is back on monday IIRC | 15:16 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: ok | 15:16 |
| mkoderer | I am fine, just want to ensure we get the feature in newton ;) | 15:17 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | #topic the fate of nova-network support in manila | 15:17 |
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| * bswartz notes the dramatic topic | 15:17 | |
| ganso | bswartz: i like that topic title | 15:17 |
| bswartz | gouthamr added this | 15:18 |
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| ganso | gouthamr: nice | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | thank you.. http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096517.html | 15:18 |
| dustins | And I thought I had a flair for the dramatic :P | 15:18 |
| bswartz | so obviously we agreed to give n-net the boot, and I announced it on the ML | 15:18 |
| mkoderer | is somebody using the nova driver? | 15:18 |
| mkoderer | +1 to remove it | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | so bswartz announced on the ML that we need to remove the nova-network plugin | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | i wanted to know how we plan on doing that | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | nova-network's officially deprecated only in newton | 15:19 |
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| vponomaryov | with joy | 15:19 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:19 |
| bswartz | so there was a concern about what if someone has Mitaka and is using n-net today | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | so, what would it take to remove it? We support nova-net in our share network API.. and in the network plugin layer | 15:20 |
| mkoderer | gouthamr: should we transfrom the manila network driver to a stevedore plugin model? | 15:20 |
| bswartz | is that user completely screwed when they upgrade to newton? what could someone do to migrate off of n-net to neutron such that they could upgrade to newton? | 15:20 |
| mkoderer | gouthamr: so nova can live out-of-tree... | 15:20 |
| mkoderer | makes only sense if someone maintains it... | 15:21 |
| bswartz | that's actually a reasonable proposal mkoderer | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | if someone has n-net for some reason and they wanted to keep it, they could always patch support back into newton for themselves | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: ^ that would be us moving closer to any network provider | 15:22 |
| bswartz | we don't need to do anything -- the code is open source | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | vs mentioning specific keys in our API | 15:22 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: I don't get your point | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | create a share network with this network id and subnet id.. rather than create a share network with this nova-net-id or create a share netwrok with this neutron-net-id and neutron-subnet-id | 15:23 |
| bswartz | anyone who's using openstack had better be using neutron going forward | 15:23 |
| bswartz | however we support non-openstack use cases | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | so the plugin model continues to make sense for us | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | currently by creating "empty" share networks ^ | 15:23 |
| mkoderer | I can bring a spec up about netwoking plugins | 15:24 |
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| gouthamr | anyway, so the idea is "remove" it is aggressive and sudden.. is that what we want to do? | 15:24 |
| gouthamr | do we not microversion the API change? | 15:25 |
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| mkoderer | gouthamr: would be a api change, right | 15:25 |
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| ganso | gouthamr: maybe as you said, we need to make it attachable and dettachable first | 15:25 |
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| gouthamr | it would be a drastic one... if the plugin is gone, how do you support old API? | 15:25 |
| bswartz | whether we microversion it or not, n-net won't work in newton after we remove the code | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | we can say nova-network gone from API version 2.18 and beyond.. but what do we say to users with <2.18? | 15:26 |
| mkoderer | gouthamr: we need to change the api anyway.. IMHO makes no sense to have "nova" and "neutron" fields | 15:26 |
| bswartz | so the best we could do on the API side would be to accept but ignore n-net-ids in share networks | 15:26 |
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| vponomaryov | gouthamr: if you do not have nova-net in your cloud, it is the same | 15:26 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: true.. what if you do? :) | 15:26 |
| ganso | bswartz: that would be inconsistent | 15:26 |
| bswartz | it does make sense to remove the parameter in the API going forward | 15:26 |
| tellesnobrega | hey guys, sorry to come in late | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | i'm only fishing for opinions.. we break people who love nova-net anyway.. the question is how we break them | 15:27 |
| bswartz | ganso: some changes aren't backwards compatible, and this is one of those | 15:27 |
| mkoderer | I would like to see something "manila share-network-create --net-id xx --subnet-id yy" | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | mkoderer: +1 | 15:27 |
| ganso | mkoderer: +1 | 15:27 |
| zhongjun_ | +1 | 15:27 |
| ganso | mkoderer's and gouthamr's proposal are good, but I am not sure they are worth the effort | 15:27 |
| mkoderer | ganso: yeah that also right | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | ganso mkoderer: we can talk about the evolution of "provider" agnostic API further | 15:28 |
| mkoderer | +1 | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | ganso mkoderer: how do we boot nova-network out :) | 15:28 |
| bswartz | part of the problem with share networks is that we've always been vague about exactly what the net and subnet ID actually mean | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | this is intentional to give freedom to deployers to setup manila how they want | 15:29 |
| bswartz | but it creates exactly the sort of problem we're discussing now | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | not enough freedom when the API says nova-net-id or neutron-net-id and neutron-subnet-id :P | 15:29 |
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| mkoderer | gouthamr: 1. we chance the API (we could map the old field to the new), 2.) we move nova out (delete or plugin) | 15:30 |
| bswartz | I think we have to remove the plugin -- we've agreed to that multiple times | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | for the API, some kind of change is required because it would be silly to just continue with the existing API | 15:31 |
| bswartz | the options I see are: | 15:31 |
| bswartz | 1) Rip out nova-net from the API in a backwards incompatible way (no microversion bump) | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | 2) Rip out n-net with a microversion bump | 15:32 |
| bswartz | 3) Redesign the API | 15:32 |
| bswartz | ^ obviously would be microversioned | 15:33 |
| mkoderer | I like 3 - would be a clear design | 15:33 |
| bswartz | the downside to 3 is that it forces existing (working) neutron-based users to change their scripts | 15:33 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: no we could simply map the neutron-net-id to net-id | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: if they upgrade to a newer microversion | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | or do that.. ^ | 15:34 |
| bswartz | change for the sake of change is not always good | 15:34 |
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| ganso | mkoderer: I believe we should change, but map only for older microversions | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:34 |
| mkoderer | ganso: ok | 15:34 |
| bswartz | mkoderer: that's bad API design -- APIs should never have aliased arguments | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: only for older microversions | 15:35 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: think for old version it would make sense | 15:35 |
| bswartz | if we change the API we change the API | 15:35 |
| ganso | new version should be --net-id --subnet-id, but in a previous version, any --nova-net-id or --neutron-net-id maps to --net-id | 15:35 |
| bswartz | yes obviously we'd use bandaids to maintain compatibility with older microversions | 15:35 |
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| gouthamr | api-bandaid(TM) | 15:36 |
| ganso | gouthamr: lol | 15:36 |
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| mkoderer | gouthamr: do we have a spec about it? | 15:36 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: that violates J&J's registered trademark | 15:36 |
| mkoderer | think we can proceed with the disussion in a review | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: no, that's like "i"phone.. haha | 15:37 |
| bswartz | I don't think we need a spec for this | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | we can sort it out in the review | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | mkoderer: for the api change? nope.. if that's the direction we're moving towards, i can update my spec | 15:37 |
| mkoderer | ok | 15:38 |
| bswartz | you already have a spec? | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | #plug -> please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323646 | 15:38 |
| bswartz | oh that spec | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | okay it's related enough I guess | 15:38 |
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| ganso | gouthamr: wouldn't that spec implementation depend on this change? | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | that's the only one for share networks that i know of.. | 15:38 |
| bswartz | ganso: I think that's why gouthamr is bringing it up now | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | yeah, clear intentions here. :) | 15:39 |
| bswartz | anything else on n-net removal? | 15:39 |
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| ganso | yes, but I mean, the API redesign not being implemented/merged implies in goutham's spec not being merged too? | 15:39 |
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| gouthamr | so, just to summarize, we're removing the plugin in newton and changing the API (with api-bandaids)? | 15:40 |
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| ganso | gouthamr: I think so | 15:40 |
| bswartz | I think people want at least a new microversion | 15:40 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: yes.. | 15:40 |
| bswartz | and it sounds like we could change the parameter names in the new version | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | it feels gratuitous to me, but at least nobody will get broken thanks to microversions | 15:40 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: if they were using nova-network, they will be broken, devastated, dejected.. et cetera.. | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | but, yeah.. i'm okay with removal. | 15:41 |
| bswartz | well yes | 15:41 |
| ganso | microversions be praised | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | but the consensus is that if you're still using nova-net after all this time, you deserve to be broken, devastated, dejected, etc | 15:42 |
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| gouthamr | #agreed nova-network will be removed in newton | 15:42 |
| bswartz | :-D | 15:42 |
| bswartz | #topic multi-AZ tests in the gate | 15:42 |
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| gouthamr | #agreed API will support net-id and subnet-id | 15:42 |
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| ganso | R.I.P nova-network | 15:43 |
| dustins | o7 | 15:43 |
| bswartz | so I don't consider this a huge priority | 15:43 |
| bswartz | but it came up so I'm curious what opinions people have | 15:43 |
| bswartz | I understand that some projects have multi-node test jobs working today | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | the new use case is DR | 15:44 |
| bswartz | I don't think we need that much resource consumption, but I am interested in modifying the devstack plugin to run 2 AZs on 1 node | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | but we have broken AZs in the past, only because we never tested them in the gate | 15:44 |
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| ganso | bswartz: are you referring to fake multi-AZ or real ones? IIRC we cannot do real ones in the gate (unless it is tripleo?) | 15:45 |
| bswartz | basically all that's needed is a second manila.conf file and an extra screen session running m-shr with the alternate conf file | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | Ci does not use screen | 15:45 |
| bswartz | ganso: AZs are a fake construct anyways | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | it runs bare processes | 15:45 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: whatever devstack does in gate them | 15:45 |
| bswartz | then* | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: we can run two manila-share processes | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | ? | 15:45 |
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| vponomaryov | gouthamr: we have been doing it for ages | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | from our perspective, the AZ is just a string -- the only limitation is that each manila.conf file has exactly 1 definition for AZ name | 15:46 |
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| gouthamr | vponomaryov: oh.. multi-backend.. | 15:46 |
| bswartz | multibackend is different | 15:46 |
| bswartz | with multibackend you start one manila-share and it forks children | 15:47 |
| bswartz | we'd need to explicitly start 2 processes her with 2 config files | 15:47 |
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| gouthamr | vponomaryov: yes, can we update it to run two instances of manila-share explicitly with two separate "storage_availability_zone"s? | 15:47 |
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| vponomaryov | gouthamr: as bswartz saying - just spawn two processes with two different configs | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: the code for this change goes into the devstack plugin though, right? | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | yes | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | nice.. so that seems straightforward.. we can do that always then, if possible.. | 15:48 |
| bswartz | anyways, as I said before, multi AZ isn't a huge priority given our other important efforts | 15:49 |
| bswartz | but it would be nice to see it happen | 15:49 |
| bswartz | the alternative would be actual multi node tests, but I feel it's probably overkill for us | 15:49 |
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| tbarron | for *this* problem, yes | 15:50 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | that's all I had | 15:50 |
| bswartz | anything else for today? | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: ? | 15:51 |
| bswartz | tbarron: is there a problem you're aware of which requires us to test on multi-node? | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: where should we propose topics for midcycle meetup? | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: I need to update wiki and create an etherpad | 15:51 |
| bswartz | let me do that and send an ML post | 15:51 |
| tbarron | not now, but when we do rolling upgrades for ex | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: ok | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | ah... | 15:51 |
| tbarron | post newton | 15:51 |
| * bswartz fears the complexity of rolling upgrades | 15:52 | |
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| vponomaryov | mkoderer: what do you think about demoing HPB on midcycle meetup? | 15:52 |
| tbarron | bswartz shows signs of sanity after all | 15:52 |
| dustins | hahaha | 15:52 |
| cknight | tbarron: +1 | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: mkoderer stepped out.. | 15:52 |
| vponomaryov | oh | 15:52 |
| bswartz | alright everyone | 15:53 |
| bswartz | I'll give you 7 minutes back | 15:53 |
| bswartz | thanks all | 15:53 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 9 15:53:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-06-09-15.00.html | 15:53 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:01 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:01 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:01 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:01 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 9 16:01:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:01 |
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| xarses | I didn't have a chance to sent to the ML today, but we have no agenda, so unless someone has something to raise, I will close the meeting in about 5min | 16:02 |
| xarses | #topic Open discuss - No agenda today | 16:03 |
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| xarses | thanks all | 16:10 |
| xarses | #endmeeting | 16:10 |
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| tmcpeak | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 9 17:00:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | #chair elmiko | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: elmiko tmcpeak | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | good morning/afternoon everybody | 17:00 |
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| lhinds | hey! | 17:00 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei is out living the dream somewhere so he won't make it today | 17:00 |
| mdong | o/ | 17:00 |
| elmiko | o/ | 17:00 |
| sicarie | o/ | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | we'll give a couple of minutes for folks to show up and then roll on with the agenda in the Etherpad | 17:00 |
| sicarie | dg__ sends his regards, he will try to be along shortly | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | sicarie: ack | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | allright, let's get started | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Anchor | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Anchor (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:01 | |
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| tmcpeak | anything new here? have we reached steady state or still have roadmap items? | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | tkelsey: this is for you :) | 17:02 |
| ccneill | o/ | 17:02 |
| browne | o/ | 17:02 |
| michaelxin | o/ | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | allright, nice attendance today | 17:02 |
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| tkelsey | tmcpeak: well I have a backport patch for bandit 1.0.1 in mitaka | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: Bandit or Anchor? | 17:02 |
| tkelsey | babdit | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | oh cool | 17:03 |
| tkelsey | *bandit | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | let's go on to that then if there isn't anything on Anchor | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | I have seen some Bandit activity | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Bandit | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bandit (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:03 | |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: so what's that about tkelsey? | 17:03 |
| tkelsey | mitaka stable has pre 1.0 bandit in req's | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | ahh ok cool | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327135/ | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | so just bump it in global-req? | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | yup | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | browne has added a nice man page as well | 17:04 |
| browne | ha yep | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | yeah browne has a couple of things it looks like | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | I guess at some point we should circle back on if there is anything left we really want to do for Bandit and decide if we plan to do any of the state tracking stuff or not | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | we still also have a bunch of work to do to get projects using Bandit | 17:06 |
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| tkelsey | yeah we should work out a new roadmap since I think we basically got where we wanted to be with 1.0 | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | would be a nice thing to tackle at the midcycle | 17:06 |
| browne | yeah, reviews from other projects have been slow | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | browne: +1 | 17:06 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | one way forward would be to do that thing where security joins other project's meetings and introduces what we propose and how it will help | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | we could chop up the projects and try to attend one or two each week, etc | 17:07 |
| tkelsey | +1 seems reasonable | 17:07 |
| browne | sounds good | 17:07 |
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| tmcpeak | I think we have a etherpad from the summit where we listed projects and their current Bandit status | 17:08 |
| browne | link? | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | trying to find it | 17:08 |
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| tmcpeak | lost to my browser history :( | 17:08 |
| dg___ | o/ | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | hi dg___ | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | hey dguryanov2 | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | nope dg___ | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:08 |
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| tmcpeak | tab fail | 17:09 |
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| tkelsey | lol yup | 17:09 |
| tkelsey | i type good! :p | 17:09 |
| ccneill | I'm surprised that doesn't happen more with ~400 people in here | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | #link let's use this: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bandit-project-status | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bandit-project-status | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | I don't think I used the link command correctly :P | 17:09 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bandit-worksession ? | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: you are a hero | 17:10 |
| elmiko | ^5 | 17:10 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | realistically I won't have as much time for this as I'd hope for a bit | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | this might have to wait until midcycle or something | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | maybe I'll get inspired on vacation :P | 17:10 |
| elmiko | i know the feeling ;) | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | anyways, I think we need to start doing more of that | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | anything else for Bandit? | 17:11 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | nothing from me | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | cool, fair enough | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Syntribos | 17:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Syntribos (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:11 | |
| ccneill | kewl | 17:11 |
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| ccneill | so we're still working through some architectural questions | 17:12 |
| ccneill | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/syntribos-signals | 17:12 |
| ccneill | we're collecting questions/feedback on different approaches here, and will regroup on signals tomorrow | 17:12 |
| ccneill | we're also regrouping on the vAPI and the results we've gotten from it tomorrow | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | "slug" | 17:13 |
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| ccneill | unrahul has pointed out that the results aren't very actionable today, so if we don't cover it tomorrow, we'll be discussing reporting very soon | 17:13 |
| unrahul | browne: added a man page for us https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327305/1, thanks michaelxin ccneill mdong vinaypotluri can you guys take a look at this and give your review.. | 17:13 |
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| tmcpeak | browne - the keeper of the docs :) | 17:13 |
| mdong | we’re thinking through different ways to write tests, ccneill has a commit on github to prototype what that might look like | 17:14 |
| ccneill | right, so the tl;dr is this: we want for Syntribos to look at a series of "signals" that are just pieces of information (e.g. "500 status code" or "connection failed" or "this bad string is present") | 17:14 |
| mdong | #link https://github.com/cneill/syntribos/tree/http_signal2 | 17:14 |
| ccneill | and create issues from those signals, with our confidence determined by the signals we get back | 17:14 |
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| ccneill | e.g. a 500 + a bad error string + a long response time = high confidence in a command execution attempt for doing ;sleep 10 | 17:14 |
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| tmcpeak | makes sense | 17:15 |
| unrahul | we are trying out the ccneill version of writing tests using signals , the idea is to make tetsts more robust and in a way smart, thus making it *easier* for the end user to extend and write more tests | 17:15 |
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| ccneill | browne: thanks for working on that manpage. I hadn't even thought about writing that | 17:15 |
| browne | np | 17:15 |
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| ccneill | browne: as unrahul said in his comment though, things are kind of in flux for us at the moment, so we may need to regroup once we have a better idea of the setup process / final command line options | 17:15 |
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| ccneill | it's very much based on the CAFE paradigm right now | 17:16 |
| browne | ok, no rush | 17:16 |
| ccneill | luckily, our main CAFE contact is back from leave, so we'll be meeting with him soon to discuss our plans for ripping it out | 17:16 |
| ccneill | probably next week or so | 17:16 |
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| ccneill | that will probably inform our discussion of config options, installation, etc. | 17:16 |
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| ccneill | if anyone wants an idea of what "signals" we're thinking about | 17:17 |
| ccneill | #link https://gist.github.com/cneill/9526cd2fcfbe88696b039c1509c4d55f | 17:17 |
| ccneill | I've started putting together a list here | 17:17 |
| ccneill | if you have any suggestions, let us know in the comments, or in IRC | 17:17 |
| ccneill | it's not a complete list at this point - still working on that | 17:17 |
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| ccneill | whew. I think that's it for us :) | 17:18 |
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| tmcpeak | great, lots of good work on this project | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | I expect there will be a lot of Syntribos hacking at the midcycle | 17:18 |
| ccneill | :D I hope so | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | #topic OSSN | 17:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OSSN (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:18 | |
| tmcpeak | we had a couple last week we were going to try to get finished | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | I don't remember the link for the open security doc reviews | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | sicarie: you have it? | 17:19 |
| lhinds | I cleaned up some nits, and will push nginx config for OSSN-0068 before the week is out | 17:19 |
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| lhinds | I just need to sanity check the nginx rate limit stuff works | 17:20 |
| sicarie | uhhh | 17:20 |
| sicarie | docs or ossns? | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | they're both in the same repo | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | so open reviews should be the same | 17:20 |
| lhinds | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313896/ | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | lhinds: awesome! | 17:20 |
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| tmcpeak | lhinds: you blocked anywhere? | 17:21 |
| lhinds | tmcpeak: it's cool, I just need to add something for nginx as well | 17:21 |
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| sicarie | and the full one is | 17:21 |
| sicarie | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/is:watched+project:openstack/security-doc+is:open | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | lhinds: looks like Jenkins killed you | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | sicarie: thanks, thats the one | 17:21 |
| lhinds | tmcpeak: that is the config files going over 72 chars | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/security-doc+is:open | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | gotta take out the is-watched filter :) | 17:22 |
| lhinds | tmcpeak: sort of unavoidable | 17:22 |
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| tmcpeak | this is good, this means that dave-mccowan's merged, yeah? | 17:22 |
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| tmcpeak | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267800/ | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | review.o says yes | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | dave-mccowan: around? | 17:23 |
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| dave-mccowan | o/ | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | ok so we need to get the published note on the wiki | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | and we need to send a notification to a ML, don't remember which | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder has been doing this | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | announce? | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | checking with him in #openstack-security if he can still do these things | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | and lhinds let us know when you're ready and we'll get eyeballs on your note | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | thank you lhinds and dave-mccowan for taking the time to write them | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | I know we were going to work on parseable format too, but unless anybody is teaming with excitement to get that going I realistically don't see it happening prior to midcycle | 17:26 |
| lhinds | tmcpeak: thanks for the opportunity | 17:26 |
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| lhinds | ps. any reviews needed, just add me too. | 17:26 |
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| tmcpeak | lhinds: thanks! | 17:26 |
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| tmcpeak | allright, let's move to midcycle | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-security-midcycle-N | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | I think Rob was going to work on budget and scoring a room, but since he isn't here we can't speak to that | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | our attendance numbers are looking lower than they have been in the past | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | good midcycle work is honestly one of the things that has kept OSSP productive | 17:28 |
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| tmcpeak | I'd like to keep as much participation as possible but I know travel budget and schedules can be tough | 17:28 |
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| tmcpeak | anybody on the fence and want a motivational speech? :P | 17:28 |
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| ccneill | tmcpeak: looking forward to making it this time :) | 17:29 |
| elmiko | i'm always up for a pep talk ;) | 17:29 |
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| tmcpeak | ccneill: will be great to have you | 17:29 |
| ccneill | especially since it sounds like it's happening in Austin this go-around | 17:29 |
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| tmcpeak | elmiko: the time is now, to make security history. Only you have the power to make the internets safe for all the childrens | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | how am I doing? | 17:30 |
| * elmiko swoons | 17:30 | |
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| tmcpeak | lol | 17:30 |
| elmiko | hehe | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | anyway hopefully we can get more registered and participating | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | I'm skipping publicity... | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Docs | 17:30 |
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| tmcpeak | sicarie, elmiko | 17:30 |
| browne | i could potentially participate remotely like elmiko | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | browne: we'll take it :) | 17:30 |
| sicarie | not much going on in docs land | 17:30 |
| sicarie | I jumped on the bugs earlier today | 17:31 |
| elmiko | things have been extra slow on the docs front | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | everybody is saving their money for Barcelona, huh? | 17:31 |
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| sicarie | ping’d a few poeple | 17:31 |
| sicarie | I’m going to push at least one next week to keep things moving | 17:31 |
| sicarie | really very little | 17:31 |
| elmiko | sicarie: are we still holding the monday meetings? | 17:31 |
| elmiko | it's been quiet the last few weeks | 17:31 |
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| tmcpeak | pdesai is out of OpenStack now too huh? | 17:31 |
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| elmiko | tmcpeak: think so | 17:31 |
| sicarie | ah, my bad, i got migrated to o365 and it messed with my calendar | 17:31 |
| elmiko | or at least, on other stuff | 17:31 |
| elmiko | sicarie: no worries, it's been just you and me anyways | 17:32 |
| sicarie | elmiko: i’ll ping you offline | 17:32 |
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| tmcpeak | lol | 17:32 |
| elmiko | sicarie: sounds good | 17:32 |
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| tmcpeak | allright guys, it might be a good time to discuss what we want to prioritize with lower participation I'm seeing | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | so the security guide is very good and mature | 17:32 |
| elmiko | needless to say, i think we could use a few more warm bodies on docs. i know, this is a common openstack issue | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | realistically how much work is required to keep it current? | 17:32 |
| sicarie | quite a bit, actually | 17:33 |
| elmiko | yeah | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | I was afraid of that | 17:33 |
| sicarie | the neutron chapter hasn’t been updated in a while | 17:33 |
| sicarie | that really needs some work | 17:33 |
| sicarie | I’ve been trying to keep up with some of the others, but a few of them are too project-specific for me to realistically handle | 17:33 |
| sicarie | we really need a ‘rootwrap’ section and good best practices around that | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | any plan for how to keep it current with limited time and having a hard time getting access to the right SME's? | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | who even knows about good use of rootwrap? | 17:34 |
| sicarie | exactly | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:34 |
| sicarie | bug people in person at midcycles and summits | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | doesn't sound like that can scale | 17:34 |
| sicarie | that usually kicks off a contribution or two | 17:34 |
| unrahul | :D | 17:34 |
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| elmiko | sicarie is spot on | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | so you guys have more work than you can handle and a very hard time getting access to the right SME's huh? | 17:35 |
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| sicarie | pretty much | 17:36 |
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| tmcpeak | :\ | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | I assume that both of you are also carving off time from otherwise very busy schedules to work on it too huh? | 17:36 |
| elmiko | ideally, we need to increase the potential of CPLs from each team to the docs team | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | not like the guide is your full time job | 17:36 |
| sicarie | yep | 17:36 |
| elmiko | unfortunately, docs is so far down on my list that i barely have time to take on issues | 17:36 |
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| elmiko | i feel like this is something we need to reach out to the greater community to help solve | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | yeah elmiko i was thinking so too | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | it's one of our great resources, and something I point people to all the time | 17:37 |
| elmiko | i mean, if the TC et al. feel that it is important to have quality security docs, then we need to make noise and have it be a priority | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | but having out of date security material can in some ways be worse than not having it | 17:37 |
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| elmiko | exactly | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | I wonder if we should section certain sections as "possibly out of date" and reaffirm a commitment to keep certain sections up to date | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | the security guide is huge and maintaining all of it must be a ton of work | 17:38 |
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| tmcpeak | anyway I don't have a good answer for this, just something we should think about | 17:38 |
| elmiko | we may also need to come up with some sort of sec-docs tag that can be applied to projects | 17:39 |
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| elmiko | to help add some stick to projects that want to contribute | 17:39 |
| elmiko | we just need help, that's the main message | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | hah projects are bad enough at keeping their own projects up to date | 17:39 |
| elmiko | right | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | *own docs I mean | 17:39 |
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| tmcpeak | allright, well on that note, let's move on | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | I don't think we have anything new on the blog so.. | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Threat Analysis | 17:40 |
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| tmcpeak | sdake_: around? | 17:40 |
| sdake_ | hoot | 17:40 |
| sdake_ | shoot | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | hoot indeed :) | 17:40 |
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| tmcpeak | sdake_: you have that link to the threat analysis change you're proposing? | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | specifically to create the new repo? | 17:41 |
| sdake_ | the repo has ben created | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | \o/ | 17:41 |
| dg___ | sdake_ thanks for sorting that out | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:41 |
| sdake_ | although i don't see it on github | 17:41 |
| sdake_ | which is odd | 17:41 |
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| sdake_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325049/ | 17:43 |
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| sdake_ | hmm looks like we went with security-analysis | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | awesome | 17:43 |
| sdake_ | not threat-analysis | 17:43 |
| dg___ | ahh ok | 17:43 |
| sdake_ | because this repo will contain other types of analysis that community members provide | 17:43 |
| dg___ | thats fine | 17:43 |
| dg___ | cool | 17:43 |
| sdake_ | the way the vmt wording is written is | 17:43 |
| dg___ | Im not massively in love with the term 'threat analysis' anyway | 17:43 |
| sdake_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300698/ | 17:43 |
| dg___ | security analysis or security review is far better | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | dg___: +1 | 17:44 |
| sdake_ | might want to add tht project to your watchd list | 17:44 |
| sdake_ | i am going to be making sosme improvements | 17:44 |
| sdake_ | like adding reno | 17:44 |
| sdake_ | and whatnot | 17:44 |
| dg___ | thanks sdake | 17:45 |
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| tmcpeak | ok cool, so next we need to do some actual analysis | 17:45 |
| sdake_ | sure happy to help | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | what are our current plans for moving that forward? | 17:45 |
| sdake_ | i need the flow diagram hyakuhei did | 17:45 |
| sdake_ | so we can reproduce that for kolla's snowflakes | 17:45 |
| dg___ | rob and I have been super busy with the day jobs, but are aiming to meet up and review progress and a path forward | 17:45 |
| sdake_ | of which there ar e7 or 8 | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | ahh ok cool | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | pesky day jobs | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | although they pay better than upstream ;) | 17:46 |
| dg___ | #action dg__ progress threat analysis | 17:46 |
| sdake_ | upstream pays pretty well :) | 17:46 |
| dg___ | I will do *something* on it this next week | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | cool, ok anything else for TA? | 17:46 |
| sdake_ | dg___ if you can get me the flow diagram hyakuhei did, that owuld be a good start | 17:46 |
| sdake_ | so our team can finish the flow diagrams for the other snowflakes | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | sdake_, dg___: thanks for the work on this | 17:46 |
| dg___ | sdake do you mean the sequence diagram? | 17:47 |
| sdake_ | yup | 17:47 |
| dg___ | ok I'll talk to hyakuhei when he is back | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | #topic AOB | 17:47 |
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| tmcpeak | open floor | 17:47 |
| ccneill | if you don't come to the midcycle in Austin, you'll miss out on awesome tacos like this: http://s3-media1.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/LRcdHCl52zmMRJb9DND1qw/o.jpg | 17:48 |
| ccneill | :P | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | that does look very good | 17:48 |
| * elmiko misses Torchy's | 17:48 | |
| mdong | also, this | 17:48 |
| mdong | https://franklinbarbecue.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/DSC_8825.jpeg | 17:48 |
| sdake_ | what days are the midcycle | 17:48 |
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| tmcpeak | that's actually a great question | 17:49 |
| ccneill | nomnomnom | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | have we figured out the division of days for Barbican and Security? | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | realistically I can probably only make the security half so it would be good to know what those are | 17:49 |
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| tmcpeak | I've added an agenda item for it next week | 17:50 |
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| tmcpeak | allright folks, anything else? | 17:50 |
| * ccneill hears crickets | 17:51 | |
| tmcpeak | allright | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | laters everybody! | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | #endmeeting | 17:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 9 17:51:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:51 |
| ccneill | o/ | 17:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-06-09-17.00.html | 17:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-06-09-17.00.txt | 17:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-06-09-17.00.log.html | 17:51 |
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| elmiko | thanks tmcpeak ! | 17:52 |
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| vgridnev | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 9 18:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
| egafford | o/ all! | 18:00 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:00 |
| vgridnev | few minutes to wait | 18:00 |
| egafford | +1. | 18:00 |
| mionkin | hi ) | 18:00 |
| esikachev | hi | 18:00 |
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| tosky | hi | 18:02 |
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| vgridnev | #topic News / updates | 18:03 |
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| egafford | Finally posted spec for the image CLI, did a bunch of reviews, otherwise behaved as though I was a real upstream Sahara dev. It was amazing and I loved my life. | 18:04 |
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| tosky | trying to change the main gates to use tempest tests from sahara-tests, so that they can be removed from tempest (but the first try didn't work as expected) | 18:04 |
| egafford | (Working on the impl of that spec in parallel to the reviews; it's reasonably straightforward, happily.) | 18:04 |
| elmiko | o/ | 18:04 |
| mionkin | I'm trying to fix gate jobs in sahara-image-elements | 18:04 |
| vgridnev | I've uploaded a spec about initial kerberos integration, and also was working to make our ci and jobs stable. Will start plugin management api impl soon | 18:05 |
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| elmiko | sadly, i haven't been able to look at sahara much over the last week. my main action was to review vgridnev's spec. | 18:05 |
| egafford | vgridnev: Started looking at the kerb spec; looks cool. | 18:05 |
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| elmiko | vgridnev: ooh, neat! | 18:05 |
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| vgridnev | and also, I did 4.0.1 and 3.0.2 stable releases for mitaka and liberty | 18:06 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: Awesome. | 18:07 |
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| vgridnev | elmiko, also, FYI, our engineer Mikhail started work on bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1541122, seems that will have correct fix soon | 18:08 |
| openstack | vgridnev: Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1541122 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1541122). The error has been logged | 18:08 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: excellent to hear =) | 18:09 |
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| vgridnev | #topic API v2 progress | 18:09 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273316/ | 18:09 |
| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sahara/api-v2 | 18:09 |
| vgridnev | is it going? | 18:09 |
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| elmiko | Akanksha has picked up another item from the wiki, so that is good | 18:10 |
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| elmiko | and i think our red hatters are working on a few others | 18:10 |
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| elmiko | so, although i haven't had a chance to work on these, i /think/ we have a few more of the changes being picked up | 18:10 |
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| elmiko | i am watching gerrit for when they go up and i will review and help get them merged | 18:11 |
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| vgridnev | ok, nice | 18:11 |
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| vgridnev | with NikitaKonovalov we thought that probably we also should start pagination support in Sahara itself, probably we can do that even in v1.1 and v2 too | 18:12 |
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| elmiko | sounds good, there are some nice guidelines from the api-wg about pagination too | 18:13 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: +1; especially for job (executions) it's going to get unmanageable very quickly. | 18:13 |
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| vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 18:15 |
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| vgridnev | do you have ideas folks about improvements that we can make in our meetings (to make them more useful)? | 18:16 |
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| elmiko | the format is ok, but seems like participation has gone way down | 18:17 |
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| mionkin | intersting question :) | 18:17 |
| elmiko | (i am part of that problem, but still) | 18:17 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: Perhaps having a section for explicit spec discussion in which we go over each spec under active review might help (to see if there are issues to hash out on any of them in a larger conversation.) | 18:17 |
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| egafford | The new features tend to be the ones that require the most group input. | 18:18 |
| egafford | And right now we tend to just address the specific ones that are on the agenda. With lower team size and lower spec volume, we have the opportunity to discuss the specs we do generate in more depth. | 18:19 |
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| egafford | That's just off the top of my head though, and might not help particularly. I agree with elmiko that at the moment, the team's a little sparse, though I know tellesnobrega_af is coming back to do some work shortly (so that's exciting. :) ) | 18:20 |
| elmiko | sadly, i don't have much to offer here. my priorities have been inverted and i just don't have much time to work on sahara =( | 18:20 |
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| egafford | Happily, my priorities have normalized and I have WAY MORE time to work on Sahara. | 18:21 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 18:21 |
| egafford | The corporation giveth, and the corporation taketh away. | 18:21 |
| elmiko | yea, seriously | 18:21 |
| vgridnev | ok, seems like more discussions regarding the current specs on review can be useful, and we can make them pushed faster | 18:21 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: Yeah, I like the idea in theory. We'll see how it goes in practice. :) | 18:22 |
| elmiko | certainly doing a few reviews at the meeting is a way to boost productivity | 18:22 |
| elmiko | we've done something similar at the api-wg meetings, and it worked well | 18:22 |
| vgridnev | we can start that today I guess | 18:22 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: Maybe having a section for discussion of high prio reviews too? | 18:22 |
| vgridnev | yep, that also makes sense | 18:23 |
| egafford | Like "Is there anything blocking these high-prio reviews, and if not, can we commit to banging them out today?" | 18:23 |
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| vgridnev | #topic Finalize plugin labels spec | 18:23 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317520/ | 18:24 |
| vgridnev | do you have some new feedback for that? | 18:24 |
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| vgridnev | From last time I did some small updates regarding mionkin questions | 18:25 |
| egafford | I think I +2ed it a few versions ago. Let me compare... yeah, looks good. Basically mutability and description are constant within a release. | 18:25 |
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| egafford | Seemed implied to me, but it's good to clarify. | 18:25 |
| egafford | <legolas>You have my bow.</legolas> | 18:25 |
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| elmiko | lol, i'm adding my axe now ;) | 18:26 |
| elmiko | i'm good with that spec | 18:26 |
| egafford | :D | 18:26 |
| egafford | See! We're already productive in this meeting! | 18:27 |
| egafford | \o/ | 18:27 |
| elmiko | but, for some reason i am not able to login =( | 18:27 |
| egafford | elmiko: Huh, weird. | 18:28 |
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| elmiko | did they change something in the openid stuff? | 18:28 |
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| egafford | elmiko: Nothing that I've noticed... | 18:29 |
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| elmiko | well, review.openstack.org is broken for me | 18:30 |
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| elmiko | sigh... | 18:31 |
| egafford | Probably best to move on then unless we have another core vote in attendance. | 18:31 |
| egafford | The spec looks sane and good. | 18:31 |
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| vgridnev | ok, anything else to cover? | 18:32 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: I'd be happy to address your dep question on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327111/ | 18:33 |
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| vgridnev | #topic | 18:33 |
| vgridnev | CLI for Plugin-Declared Image Declaration | 18:33 |
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| vgridnev | #undo | 18:33 |
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| vgridnev | #topic CLI for Plugin-Declared Image Declaration | 18:34 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327111/ | 18:34 |
| egafford | Basically, we have a few options in terms of packaging: we can either add the python libguestfs library (and its deps for dnf, apt, etc. to packages) directly to the core Sahara package, or we can make sure we put all the libguestfs hooks in the CLI script and package that separately (so that only the image gen package incurs extra deps.) | 18:35 |
| egafford | One keeps the core repo deps cleaner and is more packaging work (and research for end-users, who won't have image creation out of the box on sahara install); one makes it easier for everyone but adds a fairly significant dep chunk (though it's one that's quite stable in our supported distros.) | 18:36 |
| egafford | I think both are really sane approaches. What are your thoughts? | 18:36 |
| egafford | Keep in mind that I'm more on top of yum/dnf and apt packaging than pip packaging, so the pip side may require a single monolithic dep list for the whole repo, and that may rule the decision. | 18:37 |
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| egafford | ? | 18:39 |
| egafford | If this is better discussed on the spec, that's cool (if folks don't have context for the question right now.) | 18:40 |
| vgridnev | the second is little not so clear for me | 18:40 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: Sure. So in yum and apt, you can package single repositories into multiple subpackages. | 18:40 |
| elmiko | seems like there is some login issue with review.os.org, so don't log out | 18:40 |
| egafford | This is awesome and allows you to split up dep chains. | 18:40 |
| egafford | elmiko: Good to know. | 18:40 |
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| egafford | But it also adds complexity (because you have to know which package to download now, and it means more complicated packaging specs.) | 18:41 |
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| vgridnev | Okay, I'm so stupid for that. I will let you to choose. | 18:42 |
| egafford | I guess really the question for the sahara code itself is "do we want to make really certain to encapsulate all the libguestfs imports in one place away from the central service code?" I'd vote yes on that in any event. | 18:42 |
| vgridnev | : ( | 18:42 |
| egafford | It's just a good practice anyway. I'll make a note of that on the spec. | 18:42 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: Eh, there are like 4000 relevant things each of us doesn't know. | 18:43 |
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| egafford | That's all I've got on that spec for the moment. | 18:43 |
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| vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 18:45 |
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| vgridnev | FYI: fix for our grenade (it's seems like broke that by removing hdp code from sahara) | 18:46 |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327570/ | 18:46 |
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| vgridnev | anything else that we can cover? | 18:47 |
| egafford | I have a bit of an announcement, briefly. | 18:48 |
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| egafford | The long version is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h4NPsLmk4JHtPYEZQTvb56ReBQvYcScf0bj71IohPJI/edit?usp=sharing | 18:49 |
| egafford | The short version is that I'm transgender, I'll be changing my name to Elise in Launchpad and Github in the next few months, and attending summits from here on out under that name as well. | 18:49 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: Since not a ton of people are attending this meeting, I'd appreciate it if you could let the team know. It felt like more of a team meeting discussion than an Openstack-dev discussion. | 18:50 |
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| elmiko | you've got my support egafford, i wish the best =) | 18:51 |
| egafford | And honestly it won't really matter much, since we all just use handles anyway and mine won't change. :) | 18:51 |
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| crobertsrh | Thank goodness it's still "egafford" :) | 18:51 |
| egafford | But, just letting folks know that that'll still be me. | 18:51 |
| egafford | crobertsrh: That was intentional. | 18:51 |
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| egafford | :) | 18:51 |
| egafford | So that's all on that. Thanks. | 18:51 |
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| crobertsrh | I'm sure your awesome work will continue. | 18:52 |
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| egafford | crobertsrh: That is my earnest hope! So far, I have more free brain, not less, so we'll see. | 18:52 |
| elmiko | +1 | 18:52 |
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| vgridnev | I don't know how to correctly express my feelings but I hope you will continue your amazing work on Sahara, really. Actually I my thought it's every can do everything he really wants, I we can only support that; without any possible blockers | 18:56 |
| egafford | :D | 18:56 |
| egafford | Thanks vgridnev; much appreciated. I have every intention of sticking around. | 18:56 |
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| egafford | Red Hat, OpenStack, and Sahara have been the perfect place to be, and I'm really having the time of my professional life, so I look forward to continuing to help the project along for quite some time. | 18:57 |
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| crobertsrh | +1 | 18:58 |
| * elmiko signs egafford up for more reviews | 18:58 | |
| elmiko | ;) | 18:58 |
| vgridnev | ok, seems that time is almost over, thanks : ) | 18:58 |
| elmiko | thanks vgridnev | 18:58 |
| * egafford gives elmiko his axe back. :p | 18:58 | |
| elmiko | haha | 18:58 |
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| egafford | o/ all. | 18:58 |
| vgridnev | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 9 18:58:59 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-06-09-18.00.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-06-09-18.00.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-06-09-18.00.log.html | 18:59 |
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